The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Poilievre schools Liberal hack Rosemary Barton on CBC!

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here.

00:00:02.780 It's been a frustrating week in politics all across Canada,

00:00:07.220 but I really appreciate watching Federal Conservative Party leader Pierre Polyev

00:00:12.500 absolutely school Rosemary Barton on her own show on the CBC.

00:00:18.140 Now, after the floor-crossing of Michael Ma, that is absolutely shameful,

00:00:23.080 the liberal media is obviously out for blood.

00:00:26.080 They want to try and undermine Polyev's leadership of the Conservative Party

00:00:30.100 and give Mark Carney a boost, act like Mark Carney is the unifier of Canada

00:00:35.560 because a corrupt Conservative MP decided to cross the floor and join the Liberals.

00:00:41.740 Now, obviously, I'm extremely frustrated at whoever allowed for Michael Ma to be appointed.

00:00:48.000 Yes, people would say, well, that's Polyev's fault because the buck stops with you as leader.

00:00:51.500 Well, the reality is, on a campaign, you're not going to be able to actually micromanage stuff that closely.

00:00:58.020 You are going to have a recommendation come before you saying,

00:01:00.680 you should appoint this guy and then you just let it happen because you've got to get back to others.

00:01:05.460 It's kind of the people below you's responsibility to actually look behind someone's background

00:01:10.300 to see if they're actually an ideological Conservative or just a self-interested hack

00:01:15.620 who is willing to leave you if he is promised something by the Liberals.

00:01:20.320 But anyways, without too much more rambling, I want to get to the Rosemary Barton segment here.

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00:01:59.200 Well, now let's get to the Rosemary Barton live segment with Conservative Party leader, Pierre Polyev.

00:02:05.020 Let's move on to some politics now, and I want to talk politics and a bit of policy as well.

00:02:10.500 But let's start with what happened last week.

00:02:12.400 You've now lost two MPs to the Liberal Party.

00:02:15.260 Both have pointed to your leadership as issues.

00:02:17.840 Michael Ma saying that he was more interested in unity than division.

00:02:21.160 Is this a problem if you're a leadership at this point?

00:02:23.400 No, it's a problem. 1.00

00:02:24.860 That's such a stupid question right off the bat. 1.00

00:02:27.580 Both of them on the way out said it was you. 1.00

00:02:30.140 You were the problem and you weren't unifying enough.

00:02:32.660 He's the opposition leader, Rosemary.

00:02:37.800 And by the way, the two people who left, there is far more information to suggest

00:02:42.480 that they left for petty personal reasons than actually having a lack of confidence in Pierre Polyev.

00:02:48.220 Michael Ma, unlike Chris Dontremont, wasn't even around before Polyev was leader.

00:02:53.100 He literally only became an MP in April.

00:02:55.840 So I don't think he can really say, oh, my goodness, I didn't sign up for this.

00:02:59.420 I'm going to go over and join Mark Carney because he's a unifying, stable leader.

00:03:04.100 I showed a member of the channel, Nehan Azam, literally took Michael Ma's statement,

00:03:12.460 put it through an AI detector, and it found that it was 100% written by AI.

00:03:17.820 By the way, I believe that Michael Ma had some investments and worked with Chinese state-connected

00:03:25.360 companies back in the day.

00:03:26.960 Again, no excuse for whoever green-lighted this guy inside the Conservative Party.

00:03:31.520 But this is obviously the more operative concern right now.

00:03:35.540 The fact that we have people in our parliament who are willing to cross the floor for no reason,

00:03:40.060 maybe because they were bribed, maybe because they had some other personal incentive to do so,

00:03:44.120 that has nothing to do with what their actual voters want.

00:03:48.040 But Rosemary wants to turn this into a Polyev leadership issue when, I'm just going to say,

00:03:53.000 it's just clearly not a leadership issue.

00:03:55.080 There's not been rumblings about people being upset with Polyev.

00:03:58.640 The only people saying, oh, Carney's better, are the people leaving who are incentivized

00:04:03.480 to say that there was a problem.

00:04:05.640 Chris Dontremont was just upset he didn't get to become deputy speaker.

00:04:08.700 I don't know what's up with Michael Ma.

00:04:10.240 But at the end of the day, no one else is backing up their stories through even anonymous sources

00:04:15.180 aren't even coming out and saying, oh, Polyev's doing this.

00:04:17.640 He's really taking people off.

00:04:19.060 We are literally seeing nothing from that.

00:04:21.360 Well, let's get back to Polyev's response.

00:04:23.760 And I'll try not to pause it too much, guys.

00:04:25.500 It's more interesting unity than division.

00:04:27.940 Is this a problem of your leadership at this point?

00:04:30.200 No, it's a problem of Mark Carney's leadership that after Canadians clearly rejected a liberal,

00:04:36.820 a costly liberal majority, because they knew it would mean higher grocery prices

00:04:41.500 and higher food costs, he is trying to manipulate his way through backroom deals

00:04:48.320 to get that majority.

00:04:50.500 He's allowed to do this, though, right?

00:04:52.680 Floor crossing is allowed.

00:04:54.000 Yeah, floor crossing is allowed, Rosemary.

00:04:57.300 But the whole point is, what does this look like?

00:04:59.320 Does this look like an organic floor crossing that came from Carney's government just performing

00:05:05.540 really well?

00:05:06.780 And there was internal issues inside the Conservatives.

00:05:09.180 So somebody said, my constituents genuinely have been calling for me.

00:05:12.880 They have a petition with this many signatures from people.

00:05:15.260 They've been asking for me to cross for a while now.

00:05:18.200 And I was trying to get the Conservative Party to be better.

00:05:20.900 No, there's literally no information.

00:05:22.820 So this does make Carney look bad.

00:05:24.940 Because in a certain sense, you don't want to be the guy cobbling together a majority government

00:05:29.600 through basically, like I think Paulio puts it right, backroom deals.

00:05:35.760 It's a government that is being created through backroom negotiations that the public is not

00:05:40.820 being allowed in on.

00:05:42.680 And I'm going to get to something later.

00:05:44.360 I had somebody very deeply involved in federal politics actually assure me it pretty much doesn't

00:05:49.820 even matter if Carney gets a majority, because it's not going to be a very functional

00:05:54.040 majority anyways.

00:05:55.560 And we are probably still going to have a 2026 or very early 2027 federal election.

00:06:02.400 Because again, Carney, even if he gets a bare majority, it's going to get extremely contentious

00:06:07.460 after that, where the Conservatives are going to be even more like oppositional in order

00:06:12.600 to try and deprive Carney of the ease of moving legislation forward.

00:06:16.660 But he's trying to take a majority, a costly majority that would drive up the cost of living

00:06:23.860 and enrich liberal elites, of course, but not through democratic means.

00:06:27.400 My message to Mark Carney is that if you want a costly majority government to drive up taxes

00:06:33.060 and deficits, then you have to go to the Canadian people and have them vote for it, not do it

00:06:37.920 by dirty backroom deals.

00:06:39.320 I mean, I know you don't lick it, and we can talk about the merits of floor crossing and

00:06:43.620 whether it should be allowed, but it is allowed.

00:06:46.460 This is something that is allowed to happen.

00:06:49.220 So back to my question, is this a sign of a weakness in your leadership that two members

00:06:55.260 of your caucus have left?

00:06:56.380 It's just falling out with the same question, because this is really what she's just trying

00:07:00.080 to get across the finish line here.

00:07:01.600 Just keep repeating that Polyev has a problem with his leadership.

00:07:04.760 Hoping that that becomes the narrative like, wow, this really reflects badly on Polyev,

00:07:09.280 even though there's, again, nothing actually out there to suggest that Polyev in the public's

00:07:14.420 eye is stumbling at all.

00:07:16.040 In fact, his polling numbers are pretty robust.

00:07:18.840 Yes, people point to preferred prime minister polls.

00:07:21.480 Those ones are almost pseudoscience.

00:07:23.440 Preferred prime minister polls do not work.

00:07:25.920 The only polls that really work are national polls, obviously regional ones, and then also,

00:07:31.200 you know, a general approval rating of one person.

00:07:34.160 Preferred prime minister is a question that gets very abstract in many members of the

00:07:38.920 public's mind, and they all don't answer it the same way, which means it's a completely

00:07:42.280 worthless metric.

00:07:44.200 No, it's a sign of backroom dealings that will drive up the cost of living.

00:07:49.080 And don't take my word for it.

00:07:50.160 Take Mr. Ma's word.

00:07:51.220 This is what he said a few weeks ago.

00:07:53.640 We are in a shameful situation in this country where over 2 million Canadians are visiting food

00:07:59.320 banks every month.

00:08:00.760 At the end of every month, paychecks are not going far.

00:08:03.160 Why is that?

00:08:04.980 I'm quoting.

00:08:05.700 The liberals want to deflect and blame this solely on the trade deficit.

00:08:09.160 However, there's a simple economic fact.

00:08:11.600 When we create more units of currency and map them into the economy that is not meaningfully

00:08:16.180 producing more goods and services, we get inflation as a case in point.

00:08:19.920 I would ask Mr. Walliam, though.

00:08:20.920 Why is he cutting him off?

00:08:22.860 It's almost like he's bulldozing your entire point here.

00:08:25.840 That you're acting like, well, because they imply that you're a bad leader, then you're

00:08:29.460 a bad leader.

00:08:30.360 When, again, he's showing that just weeks ago, they are talking about how much of a failure

00:08:35.360 Mark Carney is as prime minister.

00:08:37.100 If they didn't believe that, they would probably have just said, I don't want to do a QP.

00:08:41.080 I don't want to do a question period question for the party today.

00:08:44.180 And you'd kind of go away silently.

00:08:46.100 The fact that these people are still supporting the Conservative Party and attacking the liberals

00:08:50.700 like a week before, a couple of weeks before they cross, demonstrates that this was not

00:08:55.000 some sort of organic conclusion that they came to, that they just like the liberals better

00:08:59.500 and it's more aligned with their values or it's more aligned with what their constituents

00:09:02.620 want.

00:09:03.640 Michael Ma is being protested pretty heavily by his own people at the moment.

00:09:08.740 Yeah.

00:09:09.300 In the last five years, grocery prices have risen more than 20%.

00:09:13.640 He blames that on Mark Carney's deficit.

00:09:16.220 Yep.

00:09:16.540 And that was only a few weeks ago.

00:09:18.360 So it's possible he didn't write that, though, as we know, many of your MPs.

00:09:21.460 Yeah, many of your MPs are given talking.

00:09:23.120 They were his words.

00:09:24.420 They were his words.

00:09:25.420 Okay, so what he was writing that when he said that.

00:09:27.240 And it was, you know, but he...

00:09:30.420 What are you doing now?

00:09:31.340 What are you doing now to make sure other caucus members don't leave?

00:09:33.860 What are you saying to them?

00:09:35.420 Affordability, affordability, affordability.

00:09:38.280 Canadians cannot afford grocery prices because of Carney's hidden liberal taxes on food.

00:09:44.980 What unites all Conservatives is the belief that you should be able to have a full bank

00:09:49.660 account, a full fridge, and a full stomach all at the same time.

00:09:53.700 So I have to go back there and basically explain what I think Rosemary Barton was doing. 0.99

00:09:58.040 Because, again, she keeps kind of slipping narratives in, not actually asking real questions.

00:10:03.780 When she asks him, what are you doing to prevent anyone else from leaving?

00:10:07.620 The idea is, again, that somehow it was a personal failure on his own part to reassure

00:10:12.580 Dontremont and Ma that he was the right guy for the job.

00:10:15.280 As if there was actually a negotiation going on where there was a little bit of give and

00:10:19.880 take and then Polyev just messed it up.

00:10:22.280 No, Michael Ma was happily taking photos with Pierre Polyev at a Christmas party the day

00:10:28.780 before he crossed the floor.

00:10:30.980 Does Michael Ma have a rift between himself and Polyev?

00:10:34.120 I really don't think so.

00:10:35.940 It seems, in fact, like an artificial floor crossing incentivized by things that have nothing

00:10:41.260 to do with normal political metrics for the average voter.

00:10:45.080 It has to do with whatever Michael Ma maybe personally wanted.

00:10:48.360 And, again, Rosemary Barton is asking a question in such a way that implies, again, there was

00:10:53.520 some moment where Chris Dontremont or Michael Ma were talking to Polyev and they're like,

00:10:58.380 but, Polyev, we need you to do more of X or we need you to do more of Y and you're not

00:11:03.020 doing it.

00:11:03.520 I might have to leave when that clearly is not what happened here.

00:11:07.260 Something that's not possible after 10 years.

00:11:09.080 We were talking to Minister Champagne about that and a gentleman who's using a food bank

00:11:12.720 because you're right, they are at record highs.

00:11:14.800 But, obviously, there are some people who believe that Mark Carney has the solutions to

00:11:18.220 those problems.

00:11:19.060 There's people who think, well, Elizabeth May has the solutions to problems.

00:11:22.200 This is a nonsensical question.

00:11:23.880 It's basically her just saying, well, some people really like Mark Carney.

00:11:26.940 What do you think about that?

00:11:28.300 That's not a question.

00:11:29.340 That's just basically a counter to Polyev with no question.

00:11:34.220 Well, he is the one who's causing the problems.

00:11:36.720 He's bringing in an industrial carbon tax on farm equipment and on fertilizer that drives

00:11:43.980 up food prices, a food packaging tax that adds about a billion dollars to grocery bills across

00:11:49.080 the country, a new fuel tax that will be seven cents a liter next year on farmers, on truckers

00:11:56.860 who bring us our food.

00:11:58.600 And then, of course, there's a $78 billion deficit, twice the size of Trudeau's, which is causing

00:12:04.000 inflation, as Mr. Ma rightly pointed out.

00:12:06.740 And I'm the only one who's going to reverse that inflationary policy.

00:12:10.840 I've been saying this now for five years, and I'm regrettably continually proven right

00:12:15.440 that when you spend more and tax more, then Canadians have to pay more for groceries after

00:12:22.500 10 liberal years.

00:12:23.540 Let's talk a bit about policy, because that's obviously where you want to go, too.

00:12:27.060 The memorandum of understanding with Alberta, the overall goal of that deal is to get a

00:12:34.000 pipeline, at least one pipeline to the British Columbia coast to get more oil to Asian markets.

00:12:40.800 Again, I really don't like the way she's asking that question, because she just says it like

00:12:45.640 that's a matter of fact about the policy.

00:12:47.480 You know, this thing is trying to get a pipeline to the West Coast so that we can export oil

00:12:53.280 and gas.

00:12:54.600 Is it, though?

00:12:55.380 Is that actually what it's doing?

00:12:58.300 Because, you know, from my silly perspective, the whole MOU effectively allows for Carney to

00:13:05.080 pretend like he wants a pipeline while allowing for the British Columbia government and First

00:13:09.300 Nations ban councils to veto it.

00:13:11.640 It's a dishonest policy.

00:13:14.020 And it's just a memorandum of understanding.

00:13:16.480 If he wanted a pipeline, he should have already mapped out a general course where he would

00:13:20.720 absolutely say, yes, I will sign off on that and I will pursue it.

00:13:24.020 And now we can get a private partner to back the pipeline.

00:13:26.580 The reason why private industry is not putting money in for a pipeline is because the regulatory

00:13:30.980 hurdles have not been moved out of the way.

00:13:32.920 And it's because there are way too many vetoes in the way for them to actually be able to put

00:13:37.220 together a proposal that they could actually afford to pay for.

00:13:40.940 In any other country, this would be very simple.

00:13:42.760 In Canada, there ends up being so many question marks, so many imponderables to the project

00:13:48.520 that they're not going to actually even bother putting something forward.

00:13:52.620 And then Carney and Eby said, they're like, oh, see, nobody wants it.

00:13:56.160 Like, no, you have basically killed the project preemptively and then wondered why the project's

00:14:00.720 not moving on the floor.

00:14:02.280 It's so frustrating.

00:14:03.620 But again, Rosemary Barton's framing acts like, no, this is what it's doing.

00:14:08.900 It would have been improper to say this is what Carney's arguing that the MOU does.

00:14:12.300 When it does not do that, he wants to be Mr. Pipeline without actually ever having to build

00:14:17.480 a pipeline.

00:14:18.340 Do you think that the fundamentals behind that deal are a good idea, that that itself is

00:14:23.820 a good idea?

00:14:25.560 A pipeline to the Pacific?

00:14:27.100 Well, that part of the deal that the prime minister has put on the table with the Alberta

00:14:31.400 premier makes sense.

00:14:32.300 Yes, obviously, that's why I put forward a motion in favor of that pipeline.

00:14:37.160 But Mark Carney doesn't think it's a good idea.

00:14:38.720 He voted against his own promised pipeline.

00:14:40.660 Well, he did that because it didn't have the industrial carbon price in it.

00:14:44.180 Again, this is just her arguing with him.

00:14:47.040 She can maybe say, well, he claimed it was this.

00:14:50.100 It was a nonsensical claim by Carney and the liberals to not vote for the MOU because they

00:14:55.440 have a lot of green liberals in their caucus, maybe a majority, who don't want to build a pipeline.

00:15:00.200 I don't think Carney wants to build one either.

00:15:02.560 And they acted like the MOU motion vote was unfair.

00:15:06.140 Oh, my goodness.

00:15:06.640 It doesn't have every little stipulation in it.

00:15:09.040 No, the motion was basically to say, when it comes to the fundamental question about building

00:15:15.520 a pipeline, is this liberal government on board or not?

00:15:19.740 That was the motion vote.

00:15:21.200 It even included a couple of basically clarifying statements in it to make it a little bit softer

00:15:26.420 in favor of the liberals of what they were demanding.

00:15:29.460 And they said, oh, no, I can't vote for this.

00:15:31.960 If you put up a motion that was the entirety of the MOU, we would have maybe voted for it

00:15:36.920 potentially.

00:15:37.860 Well, then why don't you guys do that the next day?

00:15:39.840 Put up the entire MOU as its own motion, basically saying, is this house in favor of

00:15:45.960 this MOU or not?

00:15:47.000 And then you have the entire MOU.

00:15:48.600 They wouldn't do that because they don't actually support their own MOU.

00:15:52.280 But again, I keep going back to it.

00:15:54.360 Rosemary just says, well, you didn't have the industrial carbon tax in there.

00:15:58.320 That's why Carney didn't vote for it.

00:15:59.580 Like, are you Mark Carney?

00:16:01.940 You keep talking as if these are just words from, you know, the words from the Bible of

00:16:07.760 Mark Carney.

00:16:08.500 And it's all just stuff we can take as absolute fact.

00:16:11.360 You make a very good point.

00:16:12.620 If you had put the whole MOU on the table to vote against, it probably would have worked

00:16:17.200 out better for you in that.

00:16:18.600 Would it have?

00:16:19.560 What did it have, Rosemary?

00:16:21.400 What is this?

00:16:22.220 Like, I need to go back by five seconds.

00:16:24.040 She's just putting out liberal talking points. 1.00

00:16:27.440 And sometimes you have to be the devil's advocate.

00:16:29.920 She's not being the devil's advocate.

00:16:31.580 She's not saying, well, Mark Carney said this.

00:16:33.620 What do you say to that?

00:16:34.900 That's a fine question.

00:16:36.260 She just keeps saying, well, you didn't put the whole MOU in.

00:16:39.040 Well, you kind of messed it up, didn't you, Mr. Paul?

00:16:40.760 Put the whole MOU on the table to vote against, it probably would have worked out better for

00:16:45.620 you in that instance.

00:16:46.720 But then I would be voting for a costly carbon tax, as you point out, a tax on food, because

00:16:52.180 when you tax the farm equipment and fertilizer, you tax the food.

00:16:55.680 And it's not Paulieff's point to back up the whole MOU.

00:16:59.760 The MOU has a lot of flaws in it.

00:17:01.200 I don't think even Alberta Premier Daniel Smith likes it.

00:17:04.060 She's just going along with it to prove that she's willing to play ball.

00:17:07.360 And then when Carney never delivers a pipeline or walks it back, she can say, hey, I was

00:17:12.100 trying to be as cooperative as possible, and Carney lied to me.

00:17:16.740 But it's not Paulieff's, it's not his job to market Carney's own MOU.

00:17:21.820 He's basically just selecting the pipeline part, saying, are you guys fundamentally in

00:17:25.920 favor of the pipeline element of this MOU?

00:17:27.980 And they voted against it.

00:17:29.180 Tax on homes, because when you tax cement, glass, concrete, wood, and other things.

00:17:35.700 Alberta is comfortable with industrial carbon pricing.

00:17:38.040 If I could, you asked me why I didn't put it in, because I am against carbon taxes, period.

00:17:43.100 Now, let's talk.

00:17:43.740 And again, Rosemary just said that, well, the Premier of Alberta is comfortable with it.

00:17:48.040 Is she or did she just sign an MOU because she wants the pipeline part?

00:17:51.640 The thing is that, like, yeah, at the most, you can basically say the deal is Danielle Smith

00:17:56.440 having to put a bunch of water in her wine here in order to get a deal signed. 1.00

00:18:00.300 But is that something that Danielle Smith actually is comfortable with? 0.76

00:18:04.360 Or is it something that she just simply has to agree to to get Carney to the table?

00:18:09.260 Because again, the problem is that Carney is making a terrible compromise deal that even

00:18:14.700 if it got a pipeline built someday, it would be late.

00:18:18.400 And it's adding a lot more tax and regulations onto the economy when we could just have pipelines

00:18:23.260 without the taxes and regulations and be far more prosperous.

00:18:26.280 Like, we're falling behind the United States for average income even before converting from American dollars.

00:18:33.500 An American dollar is worth, like, 1.4 Canadian dollars.

00:18:41.160 And even if you look at Canadian incomes in CAD, like in Canadian dollars,

00:18:46.260 and you look at U.S. incomes in U.S. dollars,

00:18:48.540 they are often making more than us with a more stronger dollar. 0.86

00:18:52.080 It's ridiculous.

00:18:52.880 The amazing and brilliant Premier of Alberta who said just the other day when she was endorsing my leadership 0.61

00:19:00.540 that I would not have forced a carbon tax on her.

00:19:04.620 And if I were Prime Minister right now, we'd be well on the way to planning a pipeline,

00:19:09.300 something that is not happening under the current Liberal government.

00:19:12.480 Now, let's be clear about Mark Carney.

00:19:14.120 He is a counterfeit.

00:19:15.440 He's pretending to adopt my policies because he knows they're popular,

00:19:18.960 but he's quietly working against them.

00:19:20.660 So you don't believe that he actually wants a pipeline?

00:19:23.960 Because the Alberta Premier believes it.

00:19:25.940 Does she actually believe it or did she sign the deal that now puts the ball into his court

00:19:30.160 and he has to prove that he believes in it?

00:19:32.200 And Paulyev has already done a lot to prove he doesn't really believe in it with the MOU motion.

00:19:36.400 Like, again, what is this?

00:19:37.920 This is just, is Rosemary the actual Liberal on the panel here and the host didn't show up?

00:19:42.900 Because this is genuinely, shockingly bad.

00:19:46.640 This is just terrible interviewing.

00:19:48.680 I do believe what he voted against, which was the pipeline.

00:19:53.360 And Mark, let's take a look at the history here.

00:19:57.100 What you have to believe to trust Mark Carney on this.

00:19:59.920 His party killed this pipeline in a 2016, November 2016 cabinet decision.

00:20:07.180 Mark Carney endorsed that decision to kill the pipeline.

00:20:09.880 I don't believe that Mark Carney has changed from the things that he wrote for 10 years

00:20:15.180 and that his party did for 10 years, which is to block pipelines and try to keep oil and gas in the ground.

00:20:20.140 Then why does Daniel Smith believe him?

00:20:21.680 Daniel Smith was very clever because she forced Carney to flip-flop

00:20:26.160 and break his word to his leave-it-in-the-ground caucus

00:20:29.720 by withdrawing his threatened emissions cap.

00:20:34.160 I like that he's actually explained the tactic now and this is what he should do.

00:20:37.700 He just needs to...

00:20:39.880 Pierre just needs to take my talking points.

00:20:41.880 I hope he takes my talking points someday.

00:20:44.380 What Carney is doing is he is outsourcing saying no.

00:20:48.360 He does not want a pipeline, but he can pretend to be Mr. Pipeline by saying yes to it all day long,

00:20:52.860 but giving vetoes to everyone and their dog in order to actually get it to not happen.

00:20:57.740 That's the difference.

00:20:58.980 Carney is trying to split the baby and have it both ways, 0.99

00:21:01.880 which is funny because he's even ticking off his left flank,

00:21:04.260 which is why Stephen Gilbeau may now leave office.

00:21:06.480 But he's also ticking off the right flank of the party,

00:21:09.900 which maybe isn't represented by any particular MP,

00:21:12.880 but there was a lot of voters who I would define as business liberals

00:21:16.340 who thought that Carney was going to be more fiscally responsible

00:21:19.700 and more pro-business than Justin Trudeau was.

00:21:23.180 Is he...

00:21:24.040 If he is, it's like an infinitesimally small difference at this point.

00:21:28.100 Nothing really has changed.

00:21:29.420 The Major Projects Office is a joke where they just fast-track projects that are almost done anyways,

00:21:35.000 pretending like he's getting points on the board because, again,

00:21:37.920 Carney knows there's a 2026 election.

00:21:39.940 And I'm going to get a later...

00:21:41.220 I'm going to remind myself, because sometimes you guys point out

00:21:43.540 why it says he's going to talk about saying...

00:21:45.340 And then he forgets.

00:21:46.480 I do sometimes.

00:21:47.380 I will be talking about why a majority government for Carney

00:21:50.440 still doesn't really actually stabilize him

00:21:53.580 and that he's probably pursuing a federal election in 2026 anyways.

00:21:58.640 And clean electricity regulations,

00:22:01.240 because those things would have driven up the cost of energy 0.65

00:22:03.460 and killed even more jobs.

00:22:05.220 Now, Ms. Smith defended her province by forcing Carney to flip-flop on that. 1.00

00:22:10.960 But that, at the end of the day, does not mean that we should give him credit.

00:22:14.900 He was threatening to do a lot of damage.

00:22:16.460 Now he's doing a little less damage.

00:22:18.640 Why doesn't he just get out of the way?

00:22:20.260 We know what it takes to get a pipeline done.

00:22:22.340 The federal government has the sole legal authority to approve it.

00:22:25.340 So approve it, set the corridor,

00:22:28.260 and the private sector will build it because it's wildly profitable.

00:22:32.080 What is this from Rosemary?

00:22:33.600 As he's making the good point about that Carney could just prove the whole thing himself right now

00:22:37.360 and there's no need for extra sign-off from anyone else.

00:22:41.200 So, Mr. Paul, well, did you consider, well, you know, that's not quite, it's like,

00:22:51.140 what is this Rosemary? 0.99

00:22:52.380 Settle down.

00:22:53.320 Like, did she just drink only Pop Rocks and coffee today?

00:22:56.380 You referenced Northern Gateway, and you know that the problems there,

00:22:59.460 yes, it was a cabinet decision, but the problem is British Columbia and First Nations.

00:23:03.080 So what would you do to try and get their support for a pipeline?

00:23:06.700 Or would you just say, too bad, we're doing it?

00:23:09.680 We're doing it.

00:23:10.920 Oh.

00:23:11.320 Yeah, it's literally that simple.

00:23:14.620 It's like, you know, I hope, I'm sorry to rain on Rosemary Barton's liberal parade,

00:23:21.520 but genuinely, the federal government's sole authority is to approve interprovincial projects,

00:23:28.020 or else no project will ever be completed

00:23:30.500 because there's going to be one province who wants it and one province that doesn't.

00:23:35.260 Not even the province, the party that's in power in one of the provinces will not want it

00:23:39.700 because it relies on a small minority of the electorate who is anti-whatever-the-project-is.

00:23:45.960 Because, again, this is a great example.

00:23:48.580 Prohibition in the United States.

00:23:51.000 Prohibitionists were probably only ever maybe 14% to 20% of the voters,

00:23:55.220 but prohibition was wildly popular from a legislative level

00:24:00.540 because if you wanted that 14% of the vote to 100% back you, you would do what they said.

00:24:07.080 It's what pressure groups do all the time.

00:24:09.840 Certain people are only going to show up if you do X thing.

00:24:12.640 And so Republicans and Democrats all over the United States were banning alcohol

00:24:17.240 because 14% of the vote was guaranteed to be delivered to you if you did so,

00:24:22.240 and then you can cobble together a bunch of other voters

00:24:24.500 who will vote for you on some other issues

00:24:26.640 and they just don't really care about the alcohol issue in general

00:24:28.960 or they don't realize how serious it's going to be about it actually being banned.

00:24:32.700 That's what we have going on in British Columbia and in Quebec.

00:24:36.580 Quebecers and British Columbians want a pipeline by all the polling,

00:24:40.240 but the current incumbent governments or the ones that are most likely to win in Quebec's case

00:24:46.060 because the CAQ party's dead and it's probably going to be the party Quebecois coming back,

00:24:52.060 both of those parties rely on the green left who does not want a pipeline.

00:24:56.060 Same thing with the NDP in British Columbia.

00:24:58.920 They rely on the green left in order to get elected

00:25:01.920 and even if the green left is only 20% of the voters, well, that's half their base.

00:25:07.060 Wouldn't bother with consultation?

00:25:08.220 Of course I would consult. That's what my motion said.

00:25:10.900 We do consultations, but we are going to build a pipeline when I'm Prime Minister.

00:25:16.900 As for British Columbia, the Premier does not have a veto.

00:25:20.820 Under our Constitution, Section 92, it is the exclusive domain of the federal government

00:25:26.120 and under Bill C-5, which Mark Carney asked for,

00:25:29.640 it is the exclusive decision of the Prime Minister.

00:25:32.680 So there's only one person who will decide on this in the end,

00:25:35.540 and that is the Prime Minister of Canada.

00:25:38.220 Mark Carney is quietly whispering to the leave-it-in-the-ground Liberal Caucus,

00:25:42.960 there will never be a pipeline, don't worry!

00:25:44.820 No, he must not be saying that because Stephen Gilbeau quit.

00:25:47.840 Stephen Gilbeau quit because of the emissions cap,

00:25:51.260 but he is saying it, and his own MPs in British Columbia are saying it.

00:25:56.180 And then he voted against a pipeline in the House of Commons.

00:25:58.700 And also, Stephen Gilbeau was rumored to want to leave anyways well before this.

00:26:04.200 He's maybe trying to find some principled reason to storm out of office

00:26:07.380 and seem like some sort of hero to the green left.

00:26:10.580 That's really it.

00:26:11.440 You can't take Stephen Gilbeau too seriously here.

00:26:15.120 What he's doing, let's be clear, pipelines are popular and profitable.

00:26:19.860 So he's pretending that he's open to one until after the next election

00:26:22.880 so that he can try to win pro-pipeline voters.

00:26:25.780 But then his plan is to kill the project.

00:26:28.460 If you want a pipeline to the Pacific to add $30 billion of overseas exports,

00:26:34.200 the biggest export project overseas in Canadian history,

00:26:36.840 you will need a conservative government that will get out of the way and let it happen.

00:26:41.060 Okay, let's ask, I want to ask you about trade,

00:26:42.920 because that's the other piece that is coming in the new year.

00:26:45.620 There's still no deal.

00:26:46.800 Talks are still stalled, although the Prime Minister speaks to the President.

00:26:50.540 Do you think that the Kusma review is now the best way forward for Canada

00:26:54.480 in getting any kind of deal with the United States?

00:26:58.500 My position is that we need tariff-free access

00:27:02.000 to the biggest and most lucrative market in the world,

00:27:04.140 which we had before the Liberal government was elected in 2015.

00:27:07.520 Of course, after the Liberals got in,

00:27:11.540 President Obama started hammering us with new tariffs on softwood lumber

00:27:15.380 that Harper had got lifted.

00:27:17.300 They brought in new Buy America rules.

00:27:19.900 And then it's been one defeat after another.

00:27:21.840 So what would you do?

00:27:22.640 What do you think they should be doing here?

00:27:24.500 We should reflect on the fact that Mark Carney was elected on one promise,

00:27:28.400 that he would negotiate a win with President Trump by July 21st.

00:27:32.620 And here we are, about a half a year later,

00:27:35.200 his promise is broken, American tariffs have doubled,

00:27:38.060 they've tripled on softwood lumber.

00:27:39.040 But some of that is because of the President.

00:27:42.020 Okay.

00:27:42.660 Oh, what?

00:27:43.340 Oh, it was the President.

00:27:45.320 We couldn't do anything.

00:27:46.400 Trump forced us not to build a signed deal.

00:27:48.900 Guys, okay.

00:27:49.940 But if you're the guy who marketed yourself as the Trump whisperer

00:27:52.840 that Carney was claiming he was, and you fail,

00:27:56.220 well, what, you get a consolation prize?

00:27:58.680 Because, you know, Trump, oh, he was tougher to talk to than I thought. 0.98

00:28:02.100 He also, Carney sucks at negotiating.

00:28:04.300 Because what he does is he goes in with the ideal, 0.69

00:28:07.940 and he refuses to make concessions.

00:28:10.840 The thing is that he actually has made concessions, though, 1.00

00:28:14.140 because every time Trump pushes him, Carney does something stupid, 0.99

00:28:17.260 Trump walks away from the table, 0.99

00:28:18.480 and then Carney gives him a bunch of concessions just to come back to negotiate,

00:28:21.520 rather than having made those first concessions before in order to come to a deal.

00:28:26.700 You have to organize a win-win for Trump,

00:28:29.420 but Carney is marketing this as,

00:28:31.220 I'm only looking for a win for Canada.

00:28:32.720 You're negotiating with the Americans. 0.66

00:28:35.860 We need them more than they need us.

00:28:38.280 Now, it's not anti-patriotic to say.

00:28:40.480 It's just the truth.

00:28:41.620 They are an economy that is ten times the size of ours.

00:28:45.340 So, obviously, we have to play ball a little bit here.

00:28:48.360 But Carney only ever actually makes the concessions when Trump threatens to leave.

00:28:52.220 He never does it when that could actually get us towards a deal,

00:28:54.680 and that's why we are here now.

00:28:56.040 But Rosemary's like, oh my goodness, well, it was Trump's fault.

00:29:00.480 Well, then don't promise you can make a deal, dude.

00:29:03.300 I'm genuinely curious.

00:29:04.980 What would you do in dealing with Donald Trump?

00:29:07.840 I will answer that question, but let's be clear.

00:29:10.560 Mark Carney said he could handle Donald Trump.

00:29:12.460 Well, so did you.

00:29:13.060 So, yeah, but he was not the one who failed, Rosemary.

00:29:17.000 What is this?

00:29:19.140 What is it?

00:29:19.740 Is Rosemary Carney's wife and I didn't know it?

00:29:22.460 Well, you promised to do it, too.

00:29:23.780 Well, he doesn't.

00:29:24.380 He's not in charge.

00:29:25.540 He's not prime minister.

00:29:26.780 What is that moment?

00:29:27.500 That question, but let's be clear.

00:29:29.020 Yeah.

00:29:29.400 Mark Carney said he could handle Donald Trump.

00:29:31.240 Well, so did you.

00:29:32.020 So, and I would have if I were prime minister right now.

00:29:34.560 So, what should he be doing?

00:29:36.100 We have to negotiate from a position of strength.

00:29:38.980 Yeah.

00:29:39.120 And I have to go back.

00:29:41.440 We need to approve pipelines and natural gas projects and other major resource projects

00:29:47.880 that allow us to ship our single biggest export overseas so that we are not monolithically

00:29:52.880 that we are not monolithically dependent on the Americans.

00:29:56.300 We need to get rid of. 1.00

00:29:57.800 She's acting like that was a stupid thing for him to say. 1.00

00:30:00.640 It wasn't. 0.99

00:30:01.520 He's right.

00:30:02.460 But yes, if your economy is going great guns and you are building pipelines and you're

00:30:08.260 lowering taxes and you're hyper competitive, yes, Trump will be more likely to negotiate

00:30:13.260 because you are an economic threat, because business may actually move back to Canada from

00:30:17.560 the United States.

00:30:18.740 That's when you can get into a position where you can make some demands, you can give some

00:30:21.740 concessions.

00:30:22.580 And I would actually say you organize something to say, hey, Trump, let's fight back against

00:30:27.100 the Chinese together.

00:30:28.260 Let's fight back against the CCP by making it that we don't have tariffs so we can get

00:30:32.740 off of Chinese goods.

00:30:33.900 That's what you want to do.

00:30:35.080 The capital gains tax on reinvestments in Canada to bring back the half trillion dollars

00:30:40.160 of investment liberals have driven into the U.S. economy.

00:30:43.080 And then you can sit down with the president and say, look, now we're selling our resources

00:30:47.660 to the Asians, to the Europeans.

00:30:50.720 Now we're bringing back our investment and becoming more sovereign, strong and self-reliant.

00:30:55.500 Now we're in a position of strength.

00:30:57.400 Now let's negotiate.

00:30:58.860 And that would be a far better approach than what Mr. Carney is doing, which is blocking these

00:31:03.380 projects, keeping all of the liberal taxes and anti-resource laws in place of the last

00:31:10.240 10 years and giving even more of our investment to the Americans.

00:31:15.660 It's been a long year.

00:31:17.000 I think we can both agree on that.

00:31:18.340 A long, busy political year.

00:31:19.780 I think we can end it there.

00:31:23.420 That was abysmal from Rosemary Barton.

00:31:26.380 That's not an interview.

00:31:27.340 It's like an interrogation where she's getting dumped on the entire time because she keeps 0.99

00:31:31.860 saying extremely stupid things, trying to like buy back some points from Mark Carney 0.99

00:31:36.420 here. 0.99

00:31:37.560 But now I'm going to talk about, I know it's already been a long video.

00:31:40.460 We're literally past the 30 minute mark.

00:31:41.940 Now I'm going to talk about why it doesn't even really matter if Carney gets another MP

00:31:47.340 and forms a majority.

00:31:48.940 What I've been told by someone who is very, very clued in with what the Conservatives are

00:31:53.080 doing, if Carney gets a majority, the thing is, we have a tradition in federal politics

00:31:58.620 that generally speaking, especially when there is a majority government for one side in Parliament,

00:32:06.140 you do something called herring of MPs.

00:32:08.820 If a Liberal goes on vacation for a couple of weeks, a Conservative will go on vacation

00:32:13.740 for a couple of weeks and they will recuse themselves from voting.

00:32:17.280 So there's not this brinksmanship where nobody will leave the building because they're all

00:32:21.960 going to be ready to vote against whatever the government's doing or in favor of whatever

00:32:25.260 the government's doing.

00:32:26.100 It creates a little bit more of a cooperative atmosphere saying, hey, let's at least agree

00:32:30.820 that we could all sit here all day and never leave our offices ready to vote on stuff because

00:32:36.100 the other side's not leaving.

00:32:37.180 Or if one person from our side leaves, we'll agree, someone from your side will leave just

00:32:42.500 so that people do have the ability to go traveling if they need to or go visit a family member.

00:32:46.880 If this happens, if Carney gets to the point where he gets a majority of maybe just a singular

00:32:52.280 seat or maybe one or two seats, the Conservatives are not going to let them ever pair an MP.

00:32:57.940 They will be there tying the Liberals down.

00:33:00.380 And the problem for the Liberals, and this is actually one of those things that starts to

00:33:03.820 matter a lot now, since the Liberals have been around for a while, their government's been here

00:33:08.520 for 10 years, and there were people from the previous Chrétien Martin Liberal government still

00:33:12.780 in office, there are some very old Liberal MPs who really don't want to put up with that,

00:33:18.020 who probably, if it gets that stressful, is going to be more favorable to either retiring

00:33:23.200 or getting Carney to call an election and then they can step out, or that they'll maybe want

00:33:29.220 to make some conceptions to the Conservatives on stuff because they're going to make their lives

00:33:33.100 extremely difficult.

00:33:35.200 And so Carney also, getting a majority of only one seat in a caucus like the Liberals who don't

00:33:40.860 exactly even agree with the Prime Minister on everything, it's difficult.

00:33:46.960 And so what I've been told is that an election is very likely to happen spring of 2026 to spring

00:33:53.180 of 2027.

00:33:54.200 Within that range, there is a likely opportunity for an election if Carney thinks that he has

00:33:59.440 the advantage.

00:34:00.460 And if he doesn't have a majority at that point, and the opposition thinks they have an advantage,

00:34:05.160 both Aliyev, Don Davies, or whoever the new NDP leader is going to be, probably Heather

00:34:09.940 McPherson, and Francois Lachet, if it's Frank, there was some, his name, whatever, it doesn't

00:34:16.360 know, he's Francois Lachet.

00:34:18.040 If they see an advantage, they will call a new election, and Carney will then be forced

00:34:23.920 to polls at whether he's in a good position or a bad position.

00:34:27.400 And the NDP definitely needs a new election because they are not an official party right

00:34:31.980 now, and the remaining rump caucus of the NDP is the more radical faction who's less

00:34:39.420 cooperative.

00:34:40.660 And so Carney is actually in a position here where even if he insulates himself with the

00:34:45.080 majority, he's not going to have a comfortable majority, and based on his personality and

00:34:49.220 what everyone says about him, he's not going to be happy sitting there with people basically

00:34:54.640 hammering on him every day and not letting him pair MPs and making everything a tooth

00:34:59.120 and nail fight. 1.00

00:35:00.100 There will probably be an election next year, no matter what happens.

00:35:04.320 But anyways, with that all being said, congratulations for making it through this extremely long video

00:35:09.720 and hearing me ramble and listening to the Nails on Chalkboard presentation of Rosemary Barton.

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The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - December 16, 2025

Poilievre schools Liberal hack Rosemary Barton on CBC!

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