The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Revoke Order of Canada from extreme propagandists (ft. Kevin Vuong)

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here.

00:00:02.660 In Canada, I think that we should have basic standards on who gets awards from the state like the Order of Canada.

00:00:11.100 And that's why I really like what three former politicians are doing to try and strip an Order of Canada award from somebody who I think truly deserves it.

00:00:22.820 In general, I think supporting terrorism and going after the human rights of other Canadians is a good enough reason to say that somebody should probably not be given our highest honour and in fact should have to give it back.

00:00:37.760 And to talk about this issue today, I am bringing on former MP for Spadina, Fort York, Kevin Vong, who with Lisa McLeod and Selina Robinson have been going after the owner of Paramount Fine Foods, Mohamed Fouki, who is an Order of Canada holder for some recent tweets he's made.

00:00:58.160 Thanks for coming on, Kevin.

00:00:59.860 Thanks for having me.

00:01:00.720 Yeah, so what's this whole, I guess, situation about?

00:01:04.820 Because it's kind of not unprecedented, but it's not typical to specifically be going after an individual for a lot of their statements in terms of trying to strip them of awards.

00:01:18.780 So what's kind of the background on why Mohamed Fouki specifically and what did he specifically do?

00:01:26.320 Yeah, so listen, this is not, I think I want to address it right away, that this is not an act of censorship or trying to cancel someone who's simply exercising the right of freedom of expression.

00:01:44.160 You can say whatever you want, so long as you're not inciting hate or violence.

00:01:48.760 But the difference here between, say, you and me and other Canadians and Mr. Mohamed Fouki is that he is doing so from his platforms while using his post-nominals as a member of the Order of Canada, almost as a shield.

00:02:06.700 And when the highest civilian honour is being used in that way, it is not only a reflection on that honour and everyone else who holds it, it's also, by extension, a reflection on Canada and Canadians.

00:02:24.620 And, you know, he has very strong views, as everyone does, on different things.

00:02:31.660 But what crossed the line for us and what compelled Lisa, Selena and I to act was on August 25th.

00:02:40.460 And I think you have the tweet, yeah, you're going to pull it up.

00:02:43.300 So let's go through it.

00:02:44.620 Quote, on behalf of literally every Canadian of conscience, if you are Canadian and a supporter of Israel, you do not have basic human values, let alone Canadian values.

00:02:56.360 Your tweets and messages are saved and known to all of us.

00:03:00.900 They live.

00:03:02.180 And, you know, folks can read the rest.

00:03:04.180 But that is what crossed the line.

00:03:07.180 Because who is he to make a sweeping combination of millions of Canadians who he doesn't agree with, who may hold different belief systems than his?

00:03:20.540 Who is he to be the arbiter of whether or not someone is human, never mind Canadian, right? 0.98

00:03:27.620 And so this isn't policy disagreement, Wyatt.

00:03:30.760 This is someone who's denying others their moral worth and their Canadian identity based on their beliefs.

00:03:37.980 And that's what crosses the line from free speech and into social division.

00:03:43.120 And that's, yeah.

00:03:43.780 And then it's also the Order of Canada is being used as a marketing tool that I am saying this as somebody who has the Order of Canada, who has, like, the inside lane on, you know, on morality and what real human rights should be and whatnot.

00:03:59.220 And, like, he has also posted other stuff like this, where he says he's commenting back on CIGIA, who was disagreeing with something that the organization NCCM had put out.

00:04:12.440 And Mohammed Fakir said, look who showed up.

00:04:15.160 Yes, if you serve in a foreign army and you are involved in war crimes, you must be prosecuted.

00:04:20.860 Yes, members of the IDF have engaged in war crimes.

00:04:23.660 Yes, if they are Canadian and come back to Canada, they must be prosecuted. 1.00

00:04:27.440 And the thing is that this isn't really even something where people can, like, agree to disagree on.

00:04:36.480 Objectively, there are no members of the IDF that have been found yet that have been found to have committed some sort of a war crime.

00:04:44.280 If they have, I guarantee they've probably already been punished by Israel themselves. 0.83

00:04:49.160 And we would know.

00:04:50.240 We would all know by now.

00:04:51.440 But, obviously, what he's trying to do is basically antagonize a group of people, if they've ever worked for the Israeli government or ever fought for the IDF, that the Canadian state should be used against them in order to prosecute them and, you know, presumably put them in prison.

00:05:09.900 And, again, I've seen him over time.

00:05:13.560 He's become a bit of an internet punching bag simply because of all the times that he's spread obvious Hamas propaganda and then just never given a retraction.

00:05:23.960 And that's the problem, is that when somebody is also implying that you are of no worth for supporting Israel at the same time, the guy is basing all of that on things that are provably wrong.

00:05:37.700 That you're a bad person because you support the state of Israel fighting Hamas based on all of his reading that has typically been debunked within the hour.

00:05:48.060 Like, it's actually been crazy following many of these accounts who will continually put out, like, tweets and press releases about this horrible thing that just happened in Gaza.

00:06:00.000 And then, like, five hours later, it's proven not to be true, but they don't retract.

00:06:04.460 And so, what's your guys' sort of initiative, I guess, been based on now?

00:06:11.880 You guys are running a petition, right?

00:06:13.940 And do you guys have a specific goal with that?

00:06:15.920 Yeah, so we felt compelled to come together and do something.

00:06:22.700 And, you know, I think this is a good opportunity to directly address Mr. Focke's remarks that this is somehow a well-funded, organized campaign.

00:06:33.120 This well-coordinated campaign, I think that's his exact wording, it was Lisa seeing what he wrote, being pissed off.

00:06:41.940 And when she was Provincial Cabinet Minister here in Ontario, she actually had Ontario honours under her purview.

00:06:50.240 And so, she has spent a lot of time thinking about how do we honour our best of the province of Ontario.

00:06:57.140 And so, she reached out to me, she's like, essentially, she's like, Kevin, are you as pissed off about this as I am?

00:07:02.840 I'm like, yeah.

00:07:04.220 And we decided, hey, let's reach out to Selena, just to make sure, you know, it's not just an Ontario thing, you know, albeit Selena's, correction, Lisa's in Ottawa, I'm in Toronto.

00:07:13.980 And Selena was soon, so we decided in the span of 24 hours, okay, let's draft and write a petition and see if others agree with us.

00:07:23.960 Now, in hindsight, I think Wyatt publishing it on the Friday of probably Canada's busiest long weekend, right, where everyone's trying to enjoy what's left of the summer, getting kids ready for back to school.

00:07:36.980 And yet, we still got 11, over 11,000 signatures during that long weekend.

00:07:44.680 And we're now, I think, close to 13,000.

00:07:48.000 What's, I think, really important for me too is now, it's not just the three of us, 27 other former parliamentarians, both provincial and federal, have since joined us to add their names.

00:08:00.160 And we have signatories from every single province and every single territory, but of now the 30 of us who are former politicians, we have 292 years of collective public service, nine are former cabinet ministers, we have a former premier, we have two former speakers.

00:08:19.180 So, these are all individuals who have all come together united by the fact that we care about the integrity of what is supposed to be our nation's highest honour, something that's supposed to bring Canadians together, not divide us.

00:08:35.280 Even you, Lisa McLeod and Selena Robinson come from different political backgrounds.

00:08:40.940 You sat as an independent your entire time in parliament.

00:08:44.580 Lisa McLeod is a progressive conservative from Ontario, and Selena Robinson was part of the British Columbia NDP.

00:08:52.620 In fact, Selena herself had to leave the NDP because, frankly, the spread of anti-Semitism made it impossible for her to actually operate within that party in B.C.

00:09:04.020 It just became so, it's because, like, it's going down a bit of a rabbit hole here, but the sorts of things that Mohamed Fakir and other people

00:09:14.300 who spout a lot of the same things that he does, they make, over time, there's no difference made between someone who's from Israel and supports Israel and if you, you know, believe Israel should exist,

00:09:26.480 and the idea that that, it doesn't matter if you are from there, if you fought in the IDF, if you just support them, you are not good enough to be in Canadian public life.

00:09:36.080 And that's effectively what happens to Selena Robinson. 1.00

00:09:39.680 For the mere crime of being Jewish and not hating Israel inside the B.C.N.D.P., she got harassed and reported constantly to the point where she just had to resign

00:09:51.740 after she was actually kicked out of the provincial cabinet for stuff, for reasons.

00:09:56.960 They'll never actually tell you specifically why because it would look bad.

00:09:59.940 But the rhetoric and the sorts of things that people like Mohamed Fakir say are toxic to our public discourse over time

00:10:08.300 because we now have it just normalized that people will attack Jewish cabinet ministers because they must be up to something because they're serving Israel.

00:10:19.380 And that's what, even what you guys are doing right now is being characterized as, like, the Israeli lobby.

00:10:25.480 Yeah, whereas we're three Canadians who care about the integrity of Canada's highest honor.

00:10:33.200 This isn't about Israel.

00:10:35.140 This isn't about Canada.

00:10:37.260 But it is important to put in perspective and bring forth the context that when he says,

00:10:43.520 if you are a Canadian and a supporter of Israel, 90% of Canada's Jewish community supports Israel.

00:10:49.940 So, if you contextualize it, he is making a direct comment to Canada's Jewish community, to Canadians,

00:10:59.780 and, of course, allies of the Jewish community like myself, like you.

00:11:05.220 And when he says that we are saving your tweets and comments, that is a not-so-subtle threat that they are tracking us.

00:11:17.760 And history has shown that when you start to make lists of Jews and others, that is a very dark path that someone is on. 0.91

00:11:26.600 Yeah, and they absolutely harass anyone who supports Israel, but they tend to, and it becomes the, you know,

00:11:34.180 the shorthand version of figuring out if someone supports Israel or not, just find out if they're Jewish, 0.89

00:11:38.740 and then attack them or harass them, you know, go firebomb a synagogue.

00:11:43.160 This is all stuff that we started seeing happening after October 7th.

00:11:46.620 It's not like they looked into it and they found out the synagogue or the Jewish day school was pro-Israel.

00:11:51.940 Obviously, they probably are.

00:11:53.220 But the whole point is that it just turns into that knee-jerk, they're going to go and just, like, I guess, like,

00:11:59.260 commit a terrorist act just against the closest Jewish thing that they can find. 0.57

00:12:04.040 And the thing is that this stuff escalates very quickly.

00:12:10.240 And just so people know, too, and I will be having the petition linked in the description below,

00:12:14.860 as well as pinned at the top of the comments for everyone.

00:12:16.860 I highly recommend signing it.

00:12:18.460 I have already.

00:12:19.580 But the thing with, like, this stuff, it's not even just saying, it's not, like, incitement of violence.

00:12:25.020 And when you say incitement of hatred, it's not that you can't hate things.

00:12:28.840 Obviously, people can hate things.

00:12:30.160 They can have opinions.

00:12:31.340 You can even have hateful opinions.

00:12:32.700 That's free speech.

00:12:33.900 The problem is, is when you are actually making things up, you are making up, like,

00:12:40.860 supposed war crimes that people are committing.

00:12:43.580 He's not saying go and attack people.

00:12:45.520 But if you're saying anyone who is from this country who did their mandatory military service

00:12:50.280 is a war criminal, that's more of an actual, like, that's more of an incitement where you're

00:12:57.260 now saying that this person has committed grave, disgusting crimes.

00:13:01.240 Someone should do something about it.

00:13:02.860 Even if you don't even vocalize that someone should do something about it part,

00:13:05.980 what do people typically do in reaction to people who have maybe murdered children or

00:13:12.200 something like that?

00:13:12.960 They will, you know, act out in a violent way.

00:13:15.560 And the thing is that we've already seen this in the United States escalate pretty far,

00:13:20.200 even with people who, like, you typically wouldn't assume would be caught up in this.

00:13:25.440 Do you know about the situation between Hassan Piker and Ethan and Ila Klein from the H3H3 podcast?

00:13:31.640 No, I don't actually.

00:13:36.060 You know, Hassan Piker is that Twitch streamer who is extremely pro-Hamas. 0.87

00:13:40.600 And he used to run a podcast called Leftovers with Ethan Klein, who's Jewish, but he's actually

00:13:47.540 very pro-Palestine, like one of these people who actually does believe there's a genocide

00:13:52.840 going on.

00:13:53.660 And he has very, you know, like Los Angeles progressive, like, type of views on all that

00:14:00.900 stuff.

00:14:01.180 I don't think he even knows the issue too well.

00:14:02.980 But because he wouldn't basically ignore the Hamas killings of Jewish people in Israel

00:14:09.680 on October 7th, he wouldn't excuse it.

00:14:12.260 That podcast fell apart.

00:14:14.040 And now Hassan Piker's community has been harassing this person, like him and his wife,

00:14:18.960 to the point where they've been sending human skulls to their homes and trying to get CPS

00:14:23.800 called on them, like Child Protective Services.

00:14:26.020 This is, you know, people, this is something that is actually affecting people in real life

00:14:31.960 when people spread disgusting ideas that you support genocide or that you support the murder

00:14:38.940 of children or something like that.

00:14:40.680 When it's not true, it's obviously going to then result in people actually getting harmed

00:14:46.780 and people being harassed like we see all over Canada with people blocking like roads in

00:14:52.620 Jewish neighborhoods and the government won't do anything about it. 1.00

00:14:56.000 And that's why I think this is a big problem when the government won't do anything about

00:14:59.900 it.

00:15:00.180 We saw that letter come out the other day where only 32 liberal MPs would be willing to sign

00:15:07.020 a letter to like to basically like what was the specific?

00:15:12.060 Crime is bad.

00:15:12.980 Crime is bad. 0.99

00:15:14.060 Don't attack Jewish Canadians. 0.98

00:15:15.260 I'm paraphrasing.

00:15:16.200 But that is essentially what less than one fifth of the caucus signed on to.

00:15:20.960 That should be a pretty straightforward, easy signature for any elected official who has

00:15:27.700 sworn an oath of allegiance, as every politician does, to uphold Canada's laws, our values and

00:15:34.540 our constitution.

00:15:35.740 Okay.

00:15:36.020 Rule of all, peace, order and good government.

00:15:38.060 That was essentially all the letter was reiterating.

00:15:42.660 And yet a vast majority of the Liberal caucus could not join in with their own Jewish Canadian

00:15:49.380 Liberal colleagues to reiterate what should just be table stakes for any elected official.

00:15:56.960 And it's not like it's difficult to sometimes coordinate to get people onto a letter.

00:16:01.080 100% of the Conservative Party just signed on to the same sort of letter, also condemning

00:16:07.340 violence and like, you know, anti-Semitic incitement around Canada.

00:16:13.240 All you have to do is condemn it.

00:16:15.860 They're not asking for anything else.

00:16:18.660 And now, and I think that I'm not sure what your perspective on this is, but I feel like

00:16:25.140 what the Liberals did with their recognition of a Palestinian state, which let's be clear,

00:16:30.680 that is recognizing two terror states because Gaza is being run by Hamas and the West Bank

00:16:36.420 is being run by Fatah and the Palestinian Authority.

00:16:41.080 I feel like they did that trying to secure some sort of foothold in the more far left

00:16:47.940 kind of progressive community.

00:16:49.880 And it's not even been working out for them.

00:16:52.320 They have had their own ministers being harassed, even post doing stuff like that.

00:16:57.840 But what do you think the motivation behind this was?

00:17:00.300 Because from a political perspective, it didn't make any sense.

00:17:04.360 Yeah, to me, I remember watching Prime Minister Carney's press conference on the matter.

00:17:11.680 And it made me, it actually reminded me a lot of what Prime Minister Justin Trudeau would do.

00:17:17.980 I think it was a mealy-mouth trying to talk to both sides so that on the one side,

00:17:25.080 they could go to the Jewish community and say, listen, Palestinian statehood recognition

00:17:31.460 has these very strict requirements, right?

00:17:35.240 The Palestinian Authority must hold a democratic election.

00:17:39.400 You know, and so they go through these conditions so they can say, listen, which are, by the

00:17:44.560 way, impossible, impossible to me.

00:17:46.780 Hey, Mahmoud Abbas, President of Palestinian Authority, is in his 20th year of a four-year

00:17:51.420 mandate.

00:17:52.220 Do you think they're going to have an election anytime soon?

00:17:54.640 There are other requirements around the surrender of all of the hostages, which Hamas has denied

00:17:59.780 and declined to do again and again, that Hamas will surrender all of their arms.

00:18:04.220 That's not going to happen.

00:18:05.100 So, you know, I think they did that so that they can say to the Jewish community and their

00:18:12.300 allies, look, it's not going to happen, so don't worry.

00:18:16.520 And then to the other side, say, look, just read the headline, Palestinian statehood.

00:18:22.040 And so I think it was a very Justin Trudeau-esque sort of strategy where in the end, instead

00:18:30.820 of taking a principal position on the matter and a continuation of Canada's foreign policy

00:18:36.820 as it relates to the two-state solution, which is something that's been in place for decades,

00:18:41.660 they have now just made it worse.

00:18:43.960 They've thrown away decades worth of our foreign policy, which was a principal two-state solution.

00:18:49.720 They've upset both sides.

00:18:51.400 And they have just further continued to feed the chaos in this country. 0.98

00:18:58.900 Well, and that ends up making us look stupid in front of our own allies, not just the United 0.98

00:19:04.340 States and obviously Israel. 0.95

00:19:06.240 But I remember the press conference from last week where Carney is in Germany and he's there

00:19:11.340 with Friedrich Mertz.

00:19:13.500 And he has to basically say to reporters, oh, absolutely, we're not going to be signing

00:19:18.120 on to Canada's agreement.

00:19:20.640 And Mark Carney can stipulate to the end of time that, oh, actually, no, they need to have

00:19:25.680 an election and they need to release all the hostages.

00:19:28.540 But let's even say if they had another election and you had some other terrorist group get elected,

00:19:34.440 because let's be very clear, it probably would happen, even if Carney then stipulates again,

00:19:39.140 but it can't be Hamas winning the election.

00:19:40.980 Even if Hamas released the hostages now, are these really people who then deserve to get

00:19:46.480 the consolation prize of being recognized as a state, taking almost two years to release

00:19:52.820 hostages that they took for no reason, that they killed the family members of?

00:19:57.920 It's this kind of moral bereftitude that has really seemed to sideline Canada on foreign

00:20:04.220 policy, because it feels like we're effectively never actually invited to the adult table.

00:20:10.980 in any discussions of things happening, even with the Russia-Ukraine situation, we're right

00:20:15.820 over the border and we couldn't even make it to the Oval Office meeting.

00:20:18.980 Yeah, we are part of like the Coalition of the Willing Zoom call and where you can see

00:20:23.880 Mark Carney's face in the corner.

00:20:25.360 But it feels like when we cannot actually even actually crack down on extremists within

00:20:30.900 our own soil, it kind of undermines our gravitas and wanting to help try to end wars elsewhere.

00:20:36.880 Yeah, I think the core of the issue on the statehood recognition and all that is the message that

00:20:47.460 it sends.

00:20:48.040 Right now, Canada is saying that if you commit mass murder, as is what happened on October

00:20:57.460 7th of 2023, if you are committed to terrorism and you push long enough and there is no limit

00:21:07.660 to the horrors with which you are willing to commit, you will one day ultimately be recognized

00:21:15.040 and rewarded with statehood.

00:21:19.040 The message it sends domestically is if you continue to blockade our roads and our infrastructure,

00:21:26.200 if you continue to target and harass religious minorities like the Jewish community, if you

00:21:35.320 target politicians at their personal homes, if you continue to firebomb houses of worship and

00:21:43.540 if you push hard enough, long enough, you will get what you want because that's what these

00:21:50.720 various pro-Palestinian, I would suggest increasingly pro-Hamas by the fact that they repeat so much 1.00

00:21:58.360 of their propaganda that that's the way to get things done in this country.

00:22:05.240 And that's that's not who that's not how Canada was built into the incredible country that we

00:22:11.460 once were and I hope we can be again.

00:22:14.360 We're a place that's supposed to be governed by rule of law.

00:22:17.360 That's that's how democracies that's what democracies are built on.

00:22:21.360 My parents fled a flawed but aspiring democracy that was lost to communism and the same radical

00:22:30.260 toxic ideologies that underlie Hamas, the IRGC, who are their ultimate backers. 0.87

00:22:37.360 And I would suggest there's the very same forces that are at play here in this country.

00:22:42.360 And so maybe maybe a good final question would be what what do you think the next steps are

00:22:48.360 in terms of Mohammed Faki and the Order of Canada?

00:22:52.360 Do you guys perceive that you're going to be contacting members of the government in order

00:22:57.360 to call on for this to happen?

00:22:59.360 I'm not sure if this is a power within any ministry for them to be able to do.

00:23:03.360 But like, have you guys been able to reach out to even Liberal MPs like Anthony Housefather

00:23:09.360 to see if they'd be willing to sign on board with this initiative?

00:23:13.360 So we've actually we've had people who are in elected office who have reached out to us.

00:23:19.360 And we've actually been quite intentional about targeting specifically former parliamentarians,

00:23:27.360 in part because at the end of the day, this was never a partisan effort.

00:23:32.360 It is nonpartisan or perhaps it's postpartisan.

00:23:36.360 This is something that's bigger than any one party or any individual.

00:23:39.360 It's about our country. Right.

00:23:41.360 And so we we've been very intentional about that.

00:23:46.360 There is an official termination policy with regards to any honor that

00:23:51.360 Rideau Hall, the Governor General's office, awards.

00:23:55.360 And we are following that process.

00:23:58.360 I do know that there have been individuals who have been stripped of the order in the past,

00:24:06.360 including David Ahinekew in 2002 for anti-Semitic comments that he had made.

00:24:12.360 I think that's probably the best parallel here.

00:24:15.360 And what happened in that instance is that other members, other recipients of the Order of Canada,

00:24:24.360 called out for that.

00:24:27.360 And I won't say more right now, but I can tell you that that is absolutely a model that we're going down.

00:24:36.360 But the reality is just like I think on the broader issue, especially post October 7th, is that the very same people like I think Mr. Faki, who are willing to articulate the very views that they have so publicly,

00:24:54.360 which I would suggest are very divisive and hate filled, are there is no limit either in terms of who they're willing to harass,

00:25:03.360 speaking as somebody who's who's had to endure some of that.

00:25:06.360 So I think people who may otherwise agree with us have been cognizant of that.

00:25:12.360 That's why I don't blame the vast majority of Canadians who I know support the Jewish community and stand with our democratic ally have been sometimes silent because they see the harassment that you, me and others have to endure.

00:25:28.360 And so I think part of our campaign has been looking at how do we create the conducive environment for others who want to speak up, but don't yet feel comfortable to do so.

00:25:38.360 And again, I don't want to get ahead of where we are, but I can tell you why that we have some some more I think developments that we look forward to announcing that I think very much strengthen our case.

00:25:55.360 I want to reiterate again, if you don't mind, that this isn't about censorship or silencing an opinion that we disagree with.

00:26:04.360 Mr. Faki, like everyone else has the right to freedom of expression that includes, by the way, the freedom to say completely ill informed and stupid things, which is how I would describe a lot of his remarks on this issue.

00:26:19.360 But the difference here is your freedom of expression does not mean you have freedom from consequences.

00:26:32.360 And if you hold our highest honor with that also comes responsibility.

00:26:37.360 It's it's an incredible privilege, but privilege comes responsibility.

00:26:41.360 And he has, in my view, and I think that of now over 13,000 Canadians who have joined Selena and Lisa and I in signing that petition has violated that.

00:26:56.360 And we are now trying to hold into account, not only.

00:27:01.360 Yeah.

00:27:02.360 I'm sorry, I was gonna say it also should be said, you don't have a right, you don't have a, you know, to the to the order of Canada.

00:27:09.360 The whole point is that it is meant to be an honor with standards.

00:27:13.360 If it had no standards, everyone and their dog would have an order of Canada right now.

00:27:18.360 The whole point is that it's not even saying you can't be political after you get an order of Canada that we're going to say, oh, I don't agree with that partisan statement.

00:27:26.360 You have to be stripped of it.

00:27:27.360 It's the idea that are you now basically turning into a Twitter troll?

00:27:32.360 Are you using the idea that you have an order of Canada to pump up your political opinions and be able to use it as a shield in order to, you know, in a very in a very on brand kind of a way for people who are trying to excuse them,

00:27:47.360 the mass using it as a human shield in order to act as if there's some, you know, gravity to the statements you're making, even when you're saying that people who support Israel do not have basic human rights and stuff like that.

00:28:01.360 Yeah, fundamentally, he has been it.

00:28:04.360 That's that was what I think the final straw that broke the camel's back and where we decided we need to draw a line in the sand.

00:28:13.360 When he started dehumanizing and vilifying Canadians who had a different belief than his.

00:28:22.360 And that is the principle that that we are defending.

00:28:25.360 This is not a foreign policy matter.

00:28:28.360 This is not a freedom of expression matter.

00:28:32.360 This is defending the integrity of our highest honor, because that is a direct reflection on this country.

00:28:39.360 Anyways, well, thank you for coming on, Kevin.

00:28:41.360 Would love to have you back on, especially as the campaign goes forward.

00:28:45.360 But I wish you guys luck and in your next steps and what what you guys are doing here, I think is quite good.

00:28:51.360 I think that, you know, to be in order to and not try to make it partisan, but in order to clean up Canada in general on a lot of fronts,

00:28:57.360 you have to be able to start with small stuff where we actually put a line in the sand and say, you know, that actually is not a Canadian value that this is outside of the bounds of what Canadian values are.

00:29:09.360 But thanks for thanks for coming on and for the audience.

00:29:13.360 Make sure to share this with anyone who is unaware of the campaign so far.

00:29:17.360 So they can see the petition and of course, sign the petition yourselves.

00:29:21.360 And with that being said, see everyone later.

00:29:25.360 Thanks, Wyatt.

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - September 07, 2025

Revoke Order of Canada from extreme propagandists (ft. Kevin Vuong)

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