The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - October 09, 2024


The BC debate was a disaster for David Eby

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John Rustad David Eby Rob Shaw Sonia Firstenow Rachel Notley Danielle Smith Commandant First Shelley Duvall Jagmeet Singh Bonnie Henry Luke LeBrun Matt Wilson Chip Wilson Versano
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John Rustad and the BC Tories were victorious in the Global News-British Columbia debate last night. David Eby, on the other hand, looked like a complete idiot the entire time. I break down the entire debate and give my thoughts on what went wrong.

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00:00:00.000 Last night, the Global News-British-Columbia provincial election debate was a decisive victory for John Rustad and the BC Conservatives over Premier David Eby and the BC NDP.
00:00:12.700 But don't take my word for it, just check the BC NDP's own social media.
00:00:18.060 As you scroll through this, you can see them posting some clips from this debate, but they really don't post that many.
00:00:25.440 And if you go through them, the ones they have posted are actually the same clips, some of them.
00:00:31.060 This was not a good performance for David Eby.
00:00:34.260 He was petulant the entire time. He talked down to people. He was smug and superior.
00:00:40.360 They mostly only posted stuff like this, which was just text summations, the best possible summation of how a certain segment of the debate had gone for David Eby.
00:00:51.780 The entire debate, if you watched it, and I encourage you to watch the full thing for yourself if you haven't, or you're skeptical if I'm only saying this because I am a conservative supporter.
00:01:03.380 The entire debate, David Eby sat like this, terrible posture, staring at the person that he was debating on his left or right, whether he was looking at John Rustad or Sonia Firstano.
00:01:19.160 And I'm going to get to Sonia Firstano later as well.
00:01:22.260 I have a lot of people in the pundit class on social media saying that, oh, she was the clear debate winner, which I find is like the most typically Canadian thing to say, 0.95
00:01:32.800 that the irrelevant third-party left-wing lady or Jagmeet Singh, the irrelevant left-wing guy, was the winner of the debate because they sounded very confident and strong in the utterly crazy garbage that they were saying. 0.83
00:01:47.620 Again, I will get to that a little bit later. 0.95
00:01:50.600 John Rustad won because he was the adult in the room.
00:01:54.680 John Rustad is not a fiery speaker.
00:01:57.040 He doesn't get extremely passionate and emotional when he speaks.
00:02:01.080 And if anything, that's a big advantage because David Eby was adolescent the entire time.
00:02:07.580 It was like being in a car ride between a parent and their teenage son, and their teenage son has become a left-wing, yappy socialist who won't let their parent actually finish a sentence before jumping in and trying to correct little things that they said that are absolutely technically, you know, they're technically wrong, but the person's still absolutely correct.
00:02:29.560 In fact, it was annoying to watch.
00:02:32.740 And if you think that this was going to be, this is going to turn any moderate, undecided voters towards the NDP, like, you're not watching the same debate as I am.
00:02:42.800 I want to sort of queue up some clips here.
00:02:45.200 It was just bad.
00:02:46.600 Like, we'll start off with a couple of clips that I think really highlight just how bad the look was from David Eby.
00:02:54.760 I'm going to be playing some clips from the B.C. Conservatives' social media, but I'm going to be playing some from other accounts as well.
00:03:02.260 This is a good general view of what the debate looked like and the sort of answers that John Rustad was giving.
00:03:09.440 In British Columbia, David Eby has had seven years.
00:03:12.980 And what has the results been?
00:03:14.060 We have seen, for example, in Surrey, where people are being blackmailed and threatened on a regular basis.
00:03:20.260 We're seeing gangs and gang activity happening at an extraordinary level, people being killed by these gangs.
00:03:26.280 We have not seen any action that has actually taken anything.
00:03:30.340 And David Eby, we have seen in some of these safe supply locations, we have actually seen people arrested and distributing drugs in those facilities.
00:03:41.620 These sort of things need to be shut down when that happens.
00:03:45.640 We have to have a zero-tolerance policy for this type of an approach in British Columbia.
00:03:50.580 He has done nothing.
00:03:51.800 He has not even addressed the facilities where there was a problem like that.
00:03:55.340 The police had to go in and seize the drugs and arrest people.
00:03:58.540 And Eby's just so bad.
00:04:01.220 I guarantee even as I'm playing this clip, if you're watching it and not just listening along, you're probably staring at David Eby the entire time in a bad way.
00:04:10.680 Like, what is this guy doing?
00:04:12.080 He's restless.
00:04:13.440 He cuts in.
00:04:14.560 He cuts in with stuff that you can't even barely hear.
00:04:17.920 Just kind of because he's not facing the podium where his mic is.
00:04:21.180 So he's just jabbering at John Rustad there, like he's a senile man who just walked into the debate and started talking over the television.
00:04:31.420 It's so bad.
00:04:33.320 I'm going to keep going and looking at more of these clips.
00:04:36.540 I think they did a really good, like, also John, despite not being a fiery speaker, had really good moments, had really good lines that he got up during the debate.
00:04:46.260 And the debate is always about the clips in the modern era.
00:04:49.640 So many people don't actually watch the debate live.
00:04:53.620 They consume the debate through the clips that are posted to social media.
00:04:57.440 And the clips were not good for Eby.
00:04:59.600 Even that clip, one of them that the NDP had shared, it was processed by Luke LeBrun from Press Progress, a Marxist rag, where he claimed that John Rustad had said something paternalistic about indigenous people, acted like their children.
00:05:16.160 No, he said that we want to create more opportunities for future generations on indigenous land and that every parent wants that for their kids in British Columbia.
00:05:26.520 That's not paternalistic.
00:05:28.000 That's literally describing a parent-child relationship between indigenous parents and their children.
00:05:34.080 But, oh my goodness, I guess John Rustad's a big old racist because we can reprocess all of his words into, not even the worst interpretation, into a brand new sentence that was never said.
00:05:45.140 But here's John Rustad getting off a line about safe supply drugs, or sorry, not safe supply drugs, although this would be, implicate those.
00:05:53.560 Talking about plastic straws being banned, but drugs being okay. 0.96
00:05:56.700 We just need to get rid of the stuff that sucks in BC. Paper straws suck. I'm sorry, we've got to get rid of those. It doesn't work for people in BC. 0.99
00:06:05.460 You know, there's a little meme I saw where there was two lines of white powder, supposedly cocaine, and a plastic straw, and the bottom sign said, one of these is illegal in BC.
00:06:16.740 And that, to me, tells a great story in terms of David Eby's British Columbia.
00:06:20.360 No middle-class person is watching this debate thinking that, John, you're being simplistic.
00:06:27.660 And that's the delivery that Eby had in response to John the entire time.
00:06:31.480 Well, John, you don't know quite what you're talking about. 0.99
00:06:35.400 Like, Eby, shut up. 0.97
00:06:38.000 The problem is people think you're doing a bad job. 0.97
00:06:41.500 And Eby couldn't admit to anything being bad in the province without broadening it out.
00:06:46.740 This has always been a problem in British Columbia.
00:06:49.200 You never tell people that something that they know is a problem isn't that bad.
00:06:54.040 And that's what Sonia would do, too.
00:06:55.940 The Green Party leader, who's supposed to, in theory, also be opposing David Eby, is there saying that John's, like, some capitalist fear-monger.
00:07:05.120 And when I say it in that way, I'm being pretty serious that she actively, like, was just the most openly socialistic person I've ever seen during a Canadian debate.
00:07:17.040 Like, take a look at this, where she says that LNG is worse than coal.
00:07:21.320 But under the NDP, we've gone from zero LNG facilities to a potential of seven.
00:07:27.200 We have a government that is all in on a fuel that is now proven to be worse than coal.
00:07:33.080 How? It has, like, I think, like, a third or a quarter of the emissions of coal.
00:07:40.240 I don't know where she's getting this stuff from.
00:07:42.640 I guess she thinks that we are going to propel this province to the future on the backs of farmers markets or whatever her Green Party plan is. 0.89
00:07:51.400 Like, she reminds me of the type of person who repeats this dumb line, that we should be investing more in the education industry.
00:08:00.000 That's not an industry, Sonia. 0.66
00:08:02.080 She particularly looked a lot like Shelley Duvall during the debate. 1.00
00:08:05.660 I think it was just her hairstyle, particularly.
00:08:08.260 Nice lady, probably. 1.00
00:08:09.680 But, like, I don't, I never understood where.
00:08:12.640 I didn't understand why we saw so many pundits saying that, oh, wow.
00:08:18.180 Versano did such a good job.
00:08:19.980 Now, Rob Shaw, like, I want to maybe go see if I can find this tweet from me because I thought it was a good way of putting it.
00:08:26.540 But, like, Rob Shaw, a reporter for the Orca and other, I think, the Vancouver Sun as well, said that it was a, that Versano won the debate despite the fact that she said stuff like that and also condemned resource development because it was part of the boom-bust economic cycle.
00:08:44.740 Because I guess her plan is just to bust all the time so that there's no technically boom-bust because it's always just a big flat line. 0.52
00:08:52.540 He said that she did well.
00:08:54.380 She was just sanctimonious the entire time. 0.89
00:08:57.040 She had nothing substantial to say.
00:08:59.280 She had nothing to add to the debate.
00:09:01.140 It felt like we had two people actually debating.
00:09:04.160 And then some random lady entered the area and just said, why aren't you guys taxing rich people more? 1.00
00:09:11.260 But Rob Shaw then said that Rusted was the loser of the debate.
00:09:15.680 Again, I don't know what debate he's watching.
00:09:18.380 Rusted did pretty good.
00:09:19.820 And overall, he did way better in contrast to how bad David Eby was, who Rob Shaw had classified as the debate meh candidate, that Eby just had a meh performance.
00:09:33.580 He had the performance that everyone was staring at for bad reasons people were staring at how David Eby was doing because it was weird.
00:09:41.580 His debate performance was very odd, and you got the impression that David Eby thinks he's smarter than you in a toxic way.
00:09:49.220 Not because he is smart, but just because he thinks it.
00:09:52.580 Anyways, I actually have to throw in my charge here.
00:09:54.980 For some reason, I didn't notice my laptop was about to run out of power.
00:09:57.720 But I want to get back to some more of these clips.
00:10:01.220 Okay, and I am back.
00:10:03.260 Maybe let's watch some more of these clips because I think they're quite good.
00:10:06.600 Here's another one where it's David Eby and John Rusted on the split screen and Eby looking absolutely lost on stage.
00:10:16.360 And John just saying things that everyone agrees with.
00:10:19.340 Everyone agrees with what John is saying in these clips.
00:10:21.860 And that's why, actually, I think David Eby is acting so irritable and making little snide jabs and looking weird with the camera.
00:10:29.320 Because he's trying to, like, almost implicate or, like, insinuate that whatever John is saying is bad.
00:10:35.900 At the same time, nobody watching at home, especially undecided voters who care about affordability, crime, drugs, and all these things, that they're going to agree with him.
00:10:45.320 So you can't tell these people that whatever John's saying isn't rational and common sense.
00:10:49.960 From the conservatives.
00:10:51.260 He had just said what David Eby just said.
00:10:52.720 David Eby actually said the private sector has no place in housing.
00:10:55.800 And that's just wrong.
00:10:56.600 Did I say that?
00:10:57.200 Yes, you did, Mr. Eby.
00:10:58.200 The reality as well is this.
00:11:00.460 We are going to cut the carbon tax by getting rid of the carbon taxes in British Columbia.
00:11:04.480 That will save $1,200 for a family today.
00:11:08.100 And yet, David Eby, he wants to actually double the carbon tax in his next term.
00:11:12.260 That is what he has said he will do.
00:11:14.400 And so this is the reality we're facing in British Columbia.
00:11:16.940 That is more money just in the carbon tax saving alone than what he is proposing with his taxes.
00:11:21.880 And for him to come out and say that $900 right away for the rest of that rebate in terms of rent.
00:11:28.200 And in terms of mortgages, those are people, hardworking people in British Columbia that will get that benefit right away.
00:11:34.040 And I wish we could bring the whole thing in, except that the fiscal mismanagement and a $14 billion deficit being proposed by David Eby will take away the future of people.
00:11:43.320 Wow.
00:11:43.600 David, you seem to want to respond to that.
00:11:45.060 Him rolling his eyes at John there.
00:11:48.100 Well, John, again, is saying things that nobody could disagree with, that right now the government is mismanaging things.
00:11:54.600 The economy is bad and people need their own tax dollars back in their pockets.
00:11:59.240 People need their tax burden reduced.
00:12:01.800 And Eby's like, John, you're just being so simplistic.
00:12:06.800 It doesn't work.
00:12:07.780 This doesn't work.
00:12:08.680 This reminds me of another BCNDP candidate that at their local debates actually said he will talk slower to the Green Party candidate because she's from Alberta.
00:12:18.640 And then they made a jab at her because he got the former Green Party leader's endorsement.
00:12:24.080 Just obnoxious children are running for the BCNDP.
00:12:28.860 And unfortunate to say, an obnoxious child is currently running the government.
00:12:34.320 David Eby didn't even win a leadership race to become the premier.
00:12:38.540 He was acclaimed.
00:12:39.700 They bullied other BCNDP MLAs out of the race so that David Eby would win because even the party radicals who preferred Eby at the top of the party,
00:12:50.480 they knew he probably could not win or at least win with confidence over a backbench MLA.
00:12:57.920 That's how crappy David Eby is as a politician. 0.84
00:13:01.360 And he has the audacity to, like, you know, throw his eyes at other people. 0.95
00:13:06.280 This is what I said during the debate.
00:13:08.680 And I had a lot of people liking this comment and viewing this comment because it was true.
00:13:13.900 I said, the split screen on David Eby is so bad.
00:13:17.220 He keeps staring at John Rusted and making really annoying snide jabs and adolescent interruptions.
00:13:23.180 Just a terrible performance from someone who is supposed to be the premier.
00:13:26.400 Rusted actually comes off like a real adult.
00:13:29.740 And 21,000 people had seen that and 1.1 thousand people liked that.
00:13:34.480 That's way more than we're liking comments from people like Rob Shaw and other media pundit hacks who were pretending that Eby had a good performance.
00:13:43.960 And John Rusted, he just wasn't good.
00:13:46.400 And the thing is, they couldn't explain why he was good.
00:13:48.860 They would just say, oh, he's a dud.
00:13:50.560 Oh, he just wasn't interesting or whatever.
00:13:52.640 Here's a good summation of the entire debate right here from Matt Wilson here posting what the debate looked like.
00:14:02.700 And it was like this.
00:14:04.280 That's the image in your mind.
00:14:06.400 The first to know would say something sanctimonious and Eby would stare at her and jab at her.
00:14:10.460 Rusted would say something rational and Eby would stare at him and jab at him.
00:14:14.180 And then when it was Eby's time to talk, it was just the idea that, you know, times are tough out there, guys.
00:14:20.480 But we can't listen to the person to my left or right because they don't have rational solutions.
00:14:27.680 And then he would just natter on about how what the government's already done is good enough and you should just be thankful that David Eby's in charge.
00:14:35.920 It was bad through and through.
00:14:37.980 Here's another clip of Sonia first to know if you want to know why I'm not talking about her all that much.
00:14:44.740 What they don't want to focus on is the lack of investments under the B.C. Liberals, the cutting back of services that got us here.
00:14:56.160 And they don't want to focus on the fact that for the last seven years, the NDP have not responded to this crisis in a way that actually averses.
00:15:03.260 I want us to have a war on poverty.
00:15:06.540 I want us to address the social conditions that are creating these outcomes.
00:15:10.200 I want us to make sure that in B.C. we don't have Lamborghinis driving down a road where people are living on the streets.
00:15:18.140 These are solvable problems.
00:15:19.580 We just haven't had.
00:15:21.120 Yeah, it is a solvable problem that you can make everyone a little bit more poor so that nobody's driving a Lamborghini down a street where someone's homeless.
00:15:28.960 We're all just walking because it first to know destroyed the economy.
00:15:33.320 That was a really telling clip from her, too, because she even said the B.C. Liberals would cut a lot of the social services that got us here today.
00:15:42.640 Yeah, we're poorer.
00:15:44.260 We are worse off because government service spending does not actually create wealth.
00:15:49.560 And obviously, the B.C. Conservatives are not going to cut things like health care and basics that you had for 100 years.
00:15:55.700 They're going to cut wasteful programs, programs that nobody needs, fake jobs, make work programs for government bureaucrats to be paid six figures to do nothing. 0.80
00:16:06.600 Those are very easy jobs to cut.
00:16:08.980 And first, I know right there is just endorsing like basically like socialism straight out that she doesn't actually care if poor people get better off. 0.99
00:16:18.560 She just wants poor people and the wealthy to look more similar because she doesn't want people like Chip Wilson having a nice house. 0.96
00:16:26.200 That's her actual priority right there.
00:16:28.080 If you know what she's saying, she her real goal is that she doesn't want the Lamborghinis on the road. 0.97
00:16:34.320 Not that she doesn't want the person being homeless.
00:16:36.840 That's that's on your first nose perspective.
00:16:39.380 And also, most people in B.C. are homeless because of drugs and mental health issues.
00:16:44.480 And so that is an issue that you'd have to solve through things like involuntary treatment.
00:16:49.940 But she doesn't want to do that because she believes in the vision of safe supply and safe injection sites and homeless encampments. 0.82
00:16:58.540 She's fine with it because it's egalitarian to just let people take over the streets, use any drugs they want and have the government pay for that lifestyle. 1.00
00:17:06.180 Oh, and so here's a clip between where John, where Rustad was being attacked by by Evie.
00:17:15.480 And I think he had a really good response here.
00:17:21.820 You know, John Rustad and his candidates were providing donations to people who were protesting outside of hospitals, anti-vax convoy members.
00:17:31.120 He's still an anti-vaxxer. He appeared in front of a group of people that called the so-called you called it the so-called covid vaccine.
00:17:38.960 You said you wish you'd never been vaccinated.
00:17:40.300 And then when someone said, do you think that public health professionals should be tried like Nazi war criminals?
00:17:46.580 You said, well, we wouldn't do that in B.C., but we would support an international effort to do that, John.
00:17:51.140 It's embarrassing.
00:17:52.760 You know, I wouldn't fire Bonnie Henry.
00:17:54.980 I'm trying to hire you and your family, a family doctor.
00:17:58.540 We've connected 250,000 people to family doctors.
00:18:01.200 We've got so much more to do.
00:18:02.520 But if you think that we'll be safer in our province with someone who doesn't believe in charge of things.
00:18:06.980 Let Mr. Rustad respond to you.
00:18:07.000 Thank you very much.
00:18:07.640 In charge of things?
00:18:08.140 Thank you very much, Dr. Rustad.
00:18:10.360 The reality is I'm triple vaccinated.
00:18:13.100 The reality is in British Columbia, I also promoted and supported people getting vaccinated, especially for seniors, especially for seniors in our communities.
00:18:21.280 I was supportive of that.
00:18:22.580 However, I am not anti-vax.
00:18:24.640 I am anti-mandate.
00:18:25.700 But I believe that people should have choice.
00:18:28.460 It shouldn't be thrust upon them and forced upon them or coerced to be able to take a vaccine.
00:18:32.820 You never know which John Rustad is going to show up.
00:18:35.560 And then you have still David Eby making another jab there because he realized his attack just failed.
00:18:41.640 Again, and Rustad is making interjections that actually make him look good.
00:18:46.820 Like, Eby keeps jabbering on as someone else is talking.
00:18:54.940 Rustad just saying that's not true.
00:18:56.700 That's not true.
00:18:57.800 And being the very neutrally toned adult makes people trust him.
00:19:02.460 Eby looks like he has something to hide.
00:19:04.580 Like, his gish galloping, just constantly talking more and more and more is actually to hide the truth. 1.00
00:19:09.940 It's what he's been doing constantly throughout this debate.
00:19:13.080 Honestly, I probably don't even need to play any more clips.
00:19:15.260 I would just say watch the full debate.
00:19:17.560 But what happened here was the same thing that happened in Alberta in 2023.
00:19:22.060 And I have my criticisms of Danielle Smith as a premier.
00:19:26.300 But in the 2023 Alberta provincial election, Rachel Notley and the Alberta NDP said that Daniel Smith is crazy.
00:19:36.660 She's erratic.
00:19:37.520 She's radical.
00:19:38.580 And then the debate happened and she's professional.
00:19:41.800 She's very neutral, neutrally toned person. 0.97
00:19:44.340 She's not hyper passionate about anything.
00:19:46.580 She's very straightforward. 0.97
00:19:47.920 And Rachel Notley looked stupid because of all the crazy rhetoric that led up to that debate where you didn't notice anything that Rachel Notley was talking about in the way that Smith acted. 0.99
00:20:00.260 And if anything, it made you think that Notley, rightfully so, was a liar. 0.99
00:20:04.780 And this is the same type of situation.
00:20:07.480 They keep saying John's a radical. 0.99
00:20:09.400 John's crazy. 0.93
00:20:10.620 All this stuff. 0.67
00:20:11.380 And then John shows up as the most rational person in the room who is the most professional and, like, well-kept person there. 0.95
00:20:20.620 And you have David Eby throwing his arms around staring at people and attacking all the time, looking like the weirdo, looking like the erratic weirdo, while he's trying to pretend that the conservatives are crazy.
00:20:33.800 I guarantee you there are going to be a lot of people in the next days who were undecided before that debate who are going to be siding with Rustad because they can't get over just how, like, Eby cannot learn. 0.98
00:20:47.680 He comes across like someone who already has all the answers, and he's just here to point out how everyone's dumber than he is. 0.79
00:20:54.000 At the same time, everyone knows his record. 1.00
00:20:56.880 His record sucks. 1.00
00:20:58.740 He's a terrible premier. 0.99
00:21:00.040 So why wouldn't you let John Rustad have a chance at becoming the premier?
00:21:06.120 Unless you want, like, Commandant First to know over there.
00:21:09.040 I'm not sure about you or I, but I don't think BC needs the killing fields or whatever she was proposing there to shut down oil and gas and logging and send us all out to, like, I don't know, just cultivate community gardens or whatever.
00:21:23.860 The Green Party's utterly crazy.
00:21:25.680 At least they're probably going to rip away some crazy NDP voters who think that the NDP hasn't gone far enough at the same time that Rustad's taking all the common-sense rational voters who want something different.
00:21:37.400 Anyways, that should be it for me today, guys.
00:21:40.320 If you want to support the show, you can go in the description below or at the pinned comment and donate to the TNT Legal Fund.
00:21:47.600 It keeps us afloat being able to pay for our legal costs against this crazy defamation case where someone's suing us for defamation that they haven't been able to actually provide any evidence for.
00:21:58.320 They're simply just saying we defamed them so that they can try and extract a fake apology and then pretend that everything negative that someone's ever said about them is false because a lot of people said the exact same thing we said years before we said it.
00:22:11.480 But he assumed that he could bully a 22-year-old into giving him an apology, but not the Globe and Mail who first reported every single thing that we had said, and it's all accurate. 0.99
00:22:22.280 Anyways, that's it for me.
00:22:24.280 Have a good one, guys.