The Iran Revolution
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Summary
In this special episode of TNT Live, host Daniel Borman is joined by Iranian-American political refugee Sia Sufi and Iranian-Canadian Sanna Ibrahimi to talk about the Iran Revolution. Sia spent time in some political prisons back in Iran during the Green Movement, and came to Canada where he started his career as a stand-up comedian. Sia is one of the top 30 traders of 2016, as listed by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), and has become a minor celebrity in Iran's circles as the country's number one nack hunter and the exposure of democracy.
Transcript
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Okay, and we are live. Welcome everyone to this special episode of TNT Live. I'm Daniel Borman.
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Why it is not with us this week. Instead, I have two special guests as we're talking a special
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topic, the Iran revolution. A lot of you asked me, how do you, Whitey McWhite guy from Canada,
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get such knowledge about Iran? 80 to 90% of the answer is below me right now. Sia Sufi,
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refugee extraordinaire. Sia spent time in some political prisons back in Iran during the Green
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Movement and came to Canada where we met. But that is a nice introduction of him. Instead,
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I will give his favorite introduction, which he has never had any problems with,
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is Sia is one of the top 30 traders of 2016, as listed by the IRGC. And with me is also Sanna
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Ibrahimi, who's working really hard to make the top 30 traders 2022 on the IRGC's list.
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You'll get there, you'll get there. You'll get there. Sia, Sia's, so Sia and I actually met
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doing stand-up comedy before we got in to start yelling at the governments, all of them, all the
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ones we don't like. So still 99% of them. And Sanna has become a minor celebrity in, in the
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Nyack circles as, you know, I guess the country's number one Nyack hunter and the exposure of
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democracy. So Sia, it's nice to see you. While I go and do some administrative work, give us a good
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background of, I guess, how you got into political activism. And as someone who spent a lot of time
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in Iran and was part of a revolution there, what do you see as the difference between this
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and the previous ones? Well, the difference is obvious. Before we get into that, I want to hear
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about the story of how you basically exposed Negar Murtazavi, if you can get into that while Daniel's
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doing that thing. Yeah. Negar Murtazavi claimed there was a bomb threat where she was supposed to
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give a speech. So, um, she was invited for a speech for, it was a talk, um, at the University
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of Chicago. And when we were informed, we were like trying to, there were, there was like a lot of
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people, um, who were of course, uh, complaining and we started like sending emails to the university
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and event planners and saying that, Hey, this is not the right person you want to talk to when it
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comes to this situation in Iran. And we even sent them like evidence. Here is this talk. Here is that
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news and all of this. And that's why we don't want her. Um, and, um, what happened was that I think
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they were completely aware of that. Um, and the university, um, said that, okay, so one of the
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things, um, that is like very, uh, core value for the university of Chicago, the politics department
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is the freedom of speech. So they said that, um, we can cancel this, but what we can do is add another
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speaker, um, with a different point of view and like have a panel, um, add a moderator and then you
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can ask your questions. Um, and that's what we can do to help you. And we're like, okay, okay. Um, so we
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can go, we can watch. Yeah. One is enough. Yeah. Um, and this was all promised until, um, the day of the
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event, which is October 18, um, October 18th, I received an email because I registered for the
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event. Um, you, you could get an, um, like admission, um, for as like someone who is not, who doesn't
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have any affiliation with the university of Chicago. So I received an email saying that, um, just in
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order to have a constructive discussion, we want to move the event to virtual because they knew that
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like a lot of people are going to be there. Yep. Um, so they moved everything to virtual. And then,
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uh, they said that we are going to send you, um, an email at three, the event was like at, um,
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three 30, they said, okay, we are going to send you an email at three and send you a link for Zoom.
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And then, um, at three, the email that I received, um, was a link that when I clicked,
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you went and asked me for my affiliation with the university of Chicago. So basically they even
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eliminated the general admission. So if you're not out of the university of Chicago, you cannot go.
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And they didn't even let us in. So a lot of people were not allowed to be there. Um, and then, um,
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well, people were not happy. The only thing that they, they were allowed to do was going there. Um,
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just be present outside of the building and protest. So, um, of course that day I went there. Um,
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and a lot of other people, friends, they were there, um, reporters, police, everything,
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everything sound, seemed very normal. It was like a normal protest. It was nothing called police was
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there just to watch. Um, and then we went back, um, it was done. Of course, we couldn't even see it
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because it wasn't even a live video for us, um, to watch. They said, we're gonna put it on YouTube
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later. So we weren't even able to watch it as like live. Um, so after that, of course, the things
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that she always say not unexpected, whatever was the first, just to, uh, explain, she is a mouse piece
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of the Islamic Republic in, uh, Western media. She was the one who said, uh, the flights, uh, that the,
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uh, IRGC shut down. It was like, uh, uh, first she was, she said it was a technical difficulty and
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all sorts of things. Basically, she is the mouse piece of the regime in Western media. Well, to be
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fair, it wasn't technical difficulty. It was technically difficult to fly a plane. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. This is sorry. Go ahead. Um, she even like, uh, continued with praising the IRGC for being
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so transparent and sending out an explanation. God bless him. Yeah. Um, after that, it was like
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October 18th, we were mad. We were upset, but like it ended and we're like, okay.
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I think Negar Mortazavi got into the computer into this. So in layman's terms for, you know,
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the Canadians watching, we'll let you continue. But the, the, the Islamic Republic has a very
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complicated propaganda network in the West. They have a, let's say they're id, like they have press TV,
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whose job is it to be like the Islamic Republic is great. The Taliban is great. Everything that's
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that, that is wrong. Yeah. Press TV is the official organ of the Islamic Republic, but they have people
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in New York times. They have people in, uh, Nyack in the independent in many other Reuters.
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Reuters. Yeah. Reuters. Facebook, a lot of Facebook, uh, middle management fact checkers. And, uh,
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yeah, I'm still shadow banned. Twitter. From the day after the revolution started,
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I got shadow banned for a post in 2020 and I'm still. Okay. Send out, send out, send me a message
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later because I have friends at Facebook that I can connect you with. Okay. Okay. Ooh. Okay. Yeah.
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So to, to say like, yeah, there's the crazy regime kills, the press TV ones, like, like everything is
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the fault of the Jews. The Islamic Republic is great. We're going to bring apart the, the, the,
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the apocalypse. Imam Mehdi is coming back. It's going to be a great time. No singing and dancing,
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but then they have their suit wearing faction. The Nyack, Quincy Institute, Trita Parsi,
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Negar Marta Zavi, these people whose job it is to say, as people who want peace and stability,
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and we're anti-imperialist. Um, here's why we want to give the Islamic Republic billions of dollars
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to the Iran deal. And a nuclear weapon. Basically what they do is they water down what the regime
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officially says. Okay. The regime officially puts a clock in the middle of a square in Tehran that
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says this is the clock to destruction of Israel, 20 months. And then they come on TV, Negar Marta Zavi
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and her friends come on TV and say, yeah, these are just symbolic acts, just trying to show that
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they're not afraid. And it's because Israel is probably going to attack. That's how they talk.
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That's how they flip the script. That's all they do. Yeah. That's, that's essentially what we're,
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you know, we're dealing with is, is the thing. So what we got back to this one at the height of the
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revolution, this woman, Negar Marta Zavi, who pretends to be this exile journalist, which is another
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game that regime plays is they'll arrest certain people in their country. Oh, it took us years to
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figure that out. Yeah. So they can have this sort of cover of like, oh, this was a dissident journalist,
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right? So they arrest you, then they release you, you come to the West and you have this clout of,
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I'm an exile journalist. Listen, as a critic of the regime, I say we need to give them billions of
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dollars. And there's a few people who play this game. That's so Negar is one of them. And so yeah,
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so she had scheduled this event to be an expert of the revolution. And people were of course upset
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because she is not on the side of the revolutionaries. She's quite, I mean, her career has been
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So everything, when everything was normal, on October 19, in the morning, Negar Marta Zavi
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tweeted something. And her reference was like a link to a student magazine. There was an article
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saying that there was a bomb threat yesterday at the Institute of Politics. And that was the reason
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that the event went virtual. And Negar Marta Zavi started like attacking Iranian diaspora. It was like,
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oh, this is how educated people are. They're threatening me to like kill me, this and that.
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This is a like campaign, harassment, whatever, whatever.
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I'll translate it for the, for the Americans. Negar Marta Zavi would be their equivalent of
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Taylor Lorenz, Canadians, Rachel Gilmore. It's the, all criticism of me is not.
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If you criticize me in any way, you're harassing me. That's basically what she says. So I saw that
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and this started like going viral. And I was like, how is that even possible? Because
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as someone who lives here as a student, anything that happens in Chicago, especially related to the
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university, we receive a message, receive a text, receive an email based on what you choose, saying
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that, hey, this time and this place is not safe. So don't go there. We will keep you updated. And then
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they will like update you. And this goes like something as simple as, oh, there is this liquid
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on the ground in that street. Don't go there. Or like, there's a cable on the ground. It could be
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Yeah. So like for something like a bomb threat, they would evacuate a building, inform all the
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students, all the staff. And this would go viral on like all the local news stations.
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But I noticed like I started looking it up nowhere, absolutely nowhere covered such a, such news
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about like UChicago. And I started asking students who were at UChicago, I was like,
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hey, did you receive any message yesterday? They said no, nothing. I was like, they say there was a
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bomb threat. And everyone was shocked. Like, I was communicating with people at the University of
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Chicago. And we were all shocked, not only because we were there that day, and no one like nothing seemed
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abnormal. They didn't like, tell us, hey, evacuate this place. This place is dangerous. It's a, it's a threat.
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How did you figure it out though? How did you figure out that it was a hoax? Absolutely.
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Okay. This made me very suspicious. And I was like, okay, there is no way, no way that this happened,
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especially that the email that we received was like, hey, to have a constructive discussion. And,
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you know, I noticed this pattern of like, oh, she tweeted something. And after her,
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Nayak, everyone, they started attacking Iranians. Oh, these are like, see, these are the people who
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are protesting. These are like the people like war, they are, they are warmongers. They are like
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violent, they're this and that. And I was like, you know, no, there's no way. And I even tweeted,
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and I even coded her tweet. And I said, hey, I know that you're lying. And I promise that I will prove it
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to you. And I started like talking to friends at UChicago following up. And this happened, this went on
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for like, one or two days. And then I was like, okay, it doesn't hurt. Let me just call the university
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police. Because these are public information, they have to tell you. I was like walking to school,
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I called and I was like, hey, this is like, and this is, is this what happened on October 18th
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around this, like this time? Did you receive like a bomb threat call or something like that?
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And the officer was shocked. Like, she was like, what? Bomb threat? And I said, yes. She said,
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okay, wait a second. And then I was on hold. And then she came back. She was like,
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no, there was no such a thing. There was no bomb threat, man.
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Chicago, for some reason, it seems like there's something in the water. People want to do hoaxes there.
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Yeah, I mean, what I like that. That was one of the first memes I made. You would have been
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probably made a Negamortizavi meme of like, what was it? And then they came like,
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there I was leaving near Chicago at 2am, you know, and then like two monarchists came up behind me.
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And they yelled, this is Pallavi country. And like, I was scared.
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So yeah, so this is, I put, I put, I'll just make an administrative thing. I put it,
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I put the article about this bomb threat hoax in the chat. If you're watching on Twitter,
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I can't, you can't do that on Twitter, but I did in Twitter, put in the chat, a link to the YouTube
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where you can go watch it there and get that and comment along. So on that theme of comments that
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we should take seriously from people, um, June D Jensen asked, what about the 50,000 protesters
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about to be executed? Apparently the government just voted yes to this. Is this true? I think CSU
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you understand, explain to me how the government works. I think you can. Yeah. The parliament
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doesn't vote to execute anybody. Okay. That was just a show of solidarity that all of the parliament,
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there is no, basically the chance that people were always, no reformist, no fundamentalist.
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They're all the same. All of the parliament came out condemning the protests and said, basically,
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the regime should, uh, capital punishment, the harshest punishment possible. They didn't say
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how many people they, they just said basically, but with people who are doing this stuff, the rioting,
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the regime should punish them harshly. And, but the parliament doesn't order executions.
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It was just a show of solidarity. Um, what I think is that, well, see the situation in Iran,
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the government in Iran is not a normal government. It's not like you think, oh,
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it's going to be the court. And then they go through this legal process, this and that. No,
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this government is a government that has executed thousands, thousands of people back in the day.
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And it is capable. It is capable of doing that again.
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Oh, absolutely. I'm just saying this 15,000 people that the parliament,
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the news came out that the parliament said, execute them. That's not how it goes.
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The system goes in a different way, but they, they have killed before they have killed thousands in
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weeks prisoners. So it's not that they won't do it. It's just that that news came out. And then a lot of
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regime mouthpieces jumped on it that, oh, it's a hoax. It's a hoax. And it was like,
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no, it was just badly reported. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Because like,
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okay, there are almost 15,000, if not more people arrested, and we know that they're capable of
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doing this. And now that like, they are saying all together that you're going to execute them,
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there is a chance that they actually do it. So yeah, basically, that that show of force was like,
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there is not a single division. There is nobody that says in the within the regime that says,
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well, maybe there's nobody, we're all in it to win it until the end.
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Yeah. And it's for people like, see, I did a great job explaining this to me back in the day,
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you were talking years ago, like, the whole thing is, is a complicated, you know, fake democracy.
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Yeah, it's a fun. But it's all controlled by the Supreme Leader anyway, and the Ayatollah,
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through, you know, a mechanism called the Guardian Council, which he appoints himself. So there,
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you know, it is one organ in like, so when we talk about fundamentalists or reformists,
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this is the two sides of the propaganda they use, right? Prestige, as I mentioned,
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that'd be fundamentalists, whereas Nayak, Quincy Institute, Negar Morte Zavi, all these names are
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ringing up. They're the reformists. They're the mullahs in a suit, let's say. Yeah. And for a long
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time, the way they've tricked the Western world is they've installed hardline government presidents,
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like the current one, Raisi, who was part of the mass executions in 1988. So he's done it before.
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Versus Rouhani, who is a reformist, oh, so benevolent and peaceful. He only executed a few
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thousand. The head of the regime's security for 20 years, Rouhani, is now a reformist.
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Okay. Yeah. But yeah, but that's the interesting thing, though. I look at these protests. The first
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question you asked about what's the difference? It's gradual. Okay. It's like dipping your toe in the
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water. Okay. First we had in, what was it, 99, we had the student movement in Tehran. There was riots,
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there was shootings, but it was just the university. It didn't spread out to society at all. The
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society didn't know what was going on. And then it was the teachers, then it was the workers, then it was
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different groups, different times came out and started basically protesting. In 2000, I would say
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16, 17, it was the first time that it became kind of national a little bit, suddenly spread out. It was
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supposed to be a controlled protest by the regime against Rouhani, by the other side of the regime,
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that just basically it's a table that they're fighting over. It's not like, oh, who's going to help
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the people? No, it's just the table they're fighting over. I want to have more. So some
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groups in the regime started a protest against Rouhani, but it got out of control and it just
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spread. People were like, oh, there's a protest there and nobody's shooting them. And it just went
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crazy. And then 2017, it happened, 2018, 2019 was the biggest, 100 cities, small towns with like 20,
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30,000 people had like four or five killed. And it was like, what? They never come out.
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Everybody. And 2019 was the last one. They chanted all the stuff that we're supposed to.
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Reformists, fundamentalists, your game is over. No to Gaza, no to Lebanon, my life for Iran,
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every and no to Islamic Republic, every single foundation of the regime. They attacked it in 2019.
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So when 2022 came. I basically like it, like basically people came out in the street.
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They looked at each other and was like, yeah, yeah. All right. We're doing this because they know they're
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going to get killed. A lot of them are going to get killed. So when you get in it, you have to get in
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it. And this is not going to go away. Yeah, I think that's a good. Yeah, that's that's a pretty
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good explanation of of the evolution of this. And and the what I've been really like, well, what's made
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it sort of like, OK, it's go time for me is is the videos of unarmed protesters, you know, charging
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armed with guns and being like, all right, well, yeah, that first time ever. That's when the base
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the regime's authority crumbles when people are not running away from the guy with the gun.
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There's like a video. It's like Benny Hill, like 40 agents running that way. And like 10, 15 seconds
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later, 40 of them are running that way. And people are like, you should have just put a play of music.
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Yeah, exactly. Like that's exactly what I feel is the biggest difference. See, like I moved to the
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US three years ago. So I was like, I saw a lot of things there. And then when I moved here right after
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that, bloody November happened. But see, that was like the first time that the government started like
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shooting like that at people and killing them like that. That was the first time. And the lowest count
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is 1400 in three days, the lowest count. Yeah, yeah, in minimum. And then, um, but still people were not
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like people who would try to defend themselves, but they wouldn't attack. You can attack exactly.
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Exactly. When they would grab somebody, people will be like, hey, don't kill him. Don't don't like
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Exactly. Exactly. Because killing is hard, man. Killing takes away something from you when you decide,
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okay, I have to. It's a huge step for a people to decide. We have to I guess. So until 2019,
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they were still like, hey, don't kill them. Don't attack. I can't say like, still, I think I until
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2019, like before bloody November happens, there were still some people who believe that reform can
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happen. But then that happened. They were like, okay, no way. No, that ended it. Yeah, that completely
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it was an end. And then now the people who are coming out are the people who have seen
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and experienced bloody November. And with all that they decided to come out. This is not this,
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this is huge. And I think knowing that you can get killed. Yeah, that's one of the problems I have
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with people online who keep sharing these sad stuff with sad music. And I'm like, yeah, yeah,
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I get that you're in pain. And you're here and you can't do anything. But they need anger. They knew
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they were gonna get shot. Okay, everybody who goes there knows it. They don't need sympathy and sadness.
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They just need you to push them and give them your anger and help them with your anger.
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Yeah, that's why I that's why I started the besiegi lives don't matter movement.
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Yeah, to help push the things look. Yeah, I'm gonna go to this from the chat,
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because if I answer this one, we're going to be here for another 57 hours. But can one of the two
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of you explain the left's unwavering support for the Iranian government often?
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Okay, okay. The thing about the left, the revolution in Iran happened because socialists
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in Iran taught the fundamentalists how to organize and how to demand a revolution. Fundamentalists in
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Iran didn't want revolution, didn't understand them. Khomeini until 73, 74, never mentions, never says
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a bad words against Shah. Even he still calls him his majesty. Why? Because he didn't have that.
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Then some socialist students go see him, talk to him. They say no, we can do revolution,
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you have network and everything. So socialists love a good revolution as we all know.
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And Michel Foucault famously called Islamic revolution, the first postmodern revolution.
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Yeah, we're moving past it. But that's the thing. The left in the West mistakes two things.
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Some of them have woken up to the bad stuff that's going on in the West, a lot of the bad things that
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are happening, a lot of the nasty things that the West has done to other countries and within its own
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country. So a lot of people have become very cynical against their own government. And indirectly,
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any country that attacks their countries, the West, they kind of feel sympathy for, for some reason.
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I've talked to a lot of people and they say, yeah, this is true. This is true. And I'm like,
00:27:48.540
yeah, maybe these things are true. But there's also all of these that they don't talk about.
00:27:54.860
So there is that sympathy that they are, this revolution came from the coup,
00:28:02.540
that joke, that it came from that coup, even though the fundamentalists hated Mossadegh,
00:28:10.780
the religious hated Mossadegh and this revolution. They didn't allow a street after Mossadegh's name
00:28:17.340
until like, what? 15 years ago. Can we debunk the Mossadegh coup? Because a lot of people still
00:28:23.660
like believe. Oh, you want to get me killed? All right. I'll get me killed. Okay.
00:28:31.260
So sidebar, a lot of you have heard that, and I call this my general theory on the left and
00:28:36.860
totalitarian regimes. It's the Noam Chomsky theory, where Noam Chomsky is the founder of the
00:28:41.900
left-wing White Lives Matter movement, or white power movement, essentially. This is what I call
00:28:47.900
left-wing white power. What I mean by this is the way you determine the mental state of any of
00:28:53.420
the brown people or non-white people in the world. You go back in history and you say,
00:28:56.700
whenever there's a white person in that country, that is a determining factor in everything that
00:29:01.660
plays out in that country. And the number one example of white power when it comes to the Chomsky
00:29:06.620
is the coup against Mossadegh in 1953, which is blamed for, you know, if when the regime like
00:29:14.220
kills children and you take this to a socialist to say, well, the reason they're doing this is in
00:29:18.700
response to British and American interference in 1953. However... No, Khomeini started his movement
00:29:25.100
in opposition to women voting. Yes. He didn't start to avenge Mossadegh. Okay. So Mossadegh wasn't
00:29:32.620
elected. He was appointed by the Shah, right? Like, what do you think? Do you think the Shah just came out of
00:29:36.460
nowhere? Like the Shah came into like Reza Shah, the original came into power around the first world
00:29:41.340
war. His son is the one we're talking about here in 1953. Do you think he just like left and then
00:29:45.820
like Mossadegh was elected and then he rode in on a horse because he didn't like socialism and the
00:29:49.500
Americans sold him to? No. Mossadegh had nationalized the oil industry without the means to support a
00:29:54.700
nationalized oil industry. So the country went into poverty. People don't like... The economy crashed
00:30:00.220
crashed. It crashed hard. And what happened was the same parliament that voted Mossadegh into office
00:30:08.700
as the prime minister, this... He wanted more power because people were protesting in the streets
00:30:14.460
and he wanted... He asked for more power from the parliament and the parliament said no. So Mossadegh
00:30:20.540
famously comes out of the parliament, Baharistan, comes in the middle of the street and says that's not the
00:30:25.260
parliament. This is the parliament. Very Ahmadinejad move. But so it's the same parliament that voted him
00:30:31.500
in, that made him prime minister. So he dissolves the parliament and until the next election. So what
00:30:40.540
happened is in Iranian constitution at the time when the prime minister dissolves the parliament,
00:30:50.300
the king has the right to remove the prime minister, install an interim government until the election.
00:31:00.140
That's a right of the king in Iranian constitution at the time. You can search it. It's there.
00:31:08.220
So king does that because the country was going to crap. So he sends an officer to Mossadegh's office,
00:31:18.300
to house and delivers the thing to him that you are hereby removed from your office. And so Mossadegh orders
00:31:25.740
that guy to get arrested. He throws that guy in jail, the messenger. And tomorrow he goes to his office,
00:31:34.140
calls the cabinet and says, yeah, this has happened. I have been removed, but I'm not going.
00:31:40.140
And several of his ministers just leave, including minister of justice who was like, yeah, this is illegal.
00:31:53.180
And several others, but several other hardcore, basically people who were around them were like,
00:31:59.020
no, we're going to stay. And that's the story. Mossadegh took power illegally,
00:32:06.140
basically refused to give power illegally away. And for the three days,
00:32:12.700
it was Mossadegh's coup that was in power. And Iranian army removes Mossadegh. Yes,
00:32:21.500
there was one American involved helping with the logistics strategy. Okay. You basically helping with
00:32:30.460
the thing, but Iranian army generals did everything and they were planning it from way before Iranian
00:32:38.460
generals, because they knew what was going to happen. So that's the real story, but it doesn't serve any
00:32:45.900
narrative. So yeah, this is often used. Yeah, this is, this is usually an excuse. Yeah. So this is what,
00:32:53.180
like a, let's say reformist would use as an excuse to say, oh yeah, we all do things. And yes, the IRGC
00:33:00.620
might be interfering in Yemen, but remember when the Americans and the British overthrew the
00:33:06.140
democratic, radically elected government in Iran, which everyone loved, they just lied. Right. And
00:33:11.340
this is a common lie that perpetrates every university, every Noam Chomsky lecture. But a lot
00:33:18.380
of people on the right. And I'm not saying the West hasn't done crap to Iran. They did a lot of
00:33:23.180
Guadalupe go search Guadalupe where the president of France sits down with the president of the United
00:33:31.980
States Carter at the time and Margaret Thatcher and convinces them that Shah has to go. Yeah. And
00:33:40.380
Khomeini is a liberal who's going to go into his office and teach religion to people. Yes. Back when
00:33:50.460
the world was a lot more nice. They did this to us. And Carter was a moron. If you read CIA's report
00:33:58.220
on Khomeini at the time, go find this and read it. It's like a teenager with emotional problems wrote it.
00:34:06.940
Like Shah's really bad. And like Khomeini sounds like a good guy. And it's like, who I honestly,
00:34:16.060
like before these, like in the past few years, my mind really shifted on CIA and all the, like,
00:34:24.940
I thought they knew everything. And then I read the reports and I'm like, what?
00:34:29.500
Yeah. People often are, I find that's the biggest, the biggest red pill to me is when you find out the
00:34:37.900
feed, like the people in charge of the deep state, aren't that smart. Like when you're like, what's
00:34:42.220
it like, this is why I don't take much of the people yelling at the deep state too seriously
00:34:45.820
is because they're like, they're going to do this. And they know, and Justin Trudeau's in on it.
00:34:50.300
These people are morons. These people are morons. And, and if you think Justin Trudeau's in on it,
00:34:54.780
then there's a plan concocted by Justin Trudeau. So I'm not scared of it. Like, yeah, they still
00:35:00.300
want you to eat bugs and use solar power. I get that. But like, you're, you're like, you're not
00:35:05.980
dealing with like, you know, some sort of super genius. You're doing. And France's reason was the
00:35:12.940
same as the reason they removed Gaddafi energy and money because Shah was the one who started OPEC.
00:35:26.300
Um, no, it would have been 60 because the OPEC oil crisis is 73, 74 over the, okay, early, early 70s,
00:35:33.020
I think. I'm not good with dates. It was early 70s. But he starts late 60s, early 70s would have
00:35:38.460
been its start because it was the crisis was triggered by the war. It was a direct response
00:35:45.020
to, uh, the Western technology monopoly and how they would sell. Like there's an interview.
00:35:52.140
Shah actually talks about it. That is like, Hey, you're deciding the price of oil. And he was like,
00:35:56.700
yeah, but any technology we're buying, you choosing arbitrary prices on it and selling us like several
00:36:03.740
times more than it, it actually should be. So this is our way of basically leveling the playing field.
00:36:12.300
And OPEC was one of the reasons he did. And yeah, he was really changing Middle East into something
00:36:19.420
else. Yeah. It's, it is a real shame that we got, you know, Khomeini. Although his writings on
00:36:25.100
when to fornicate with a camel are very enlightening if you're wondering. Yeah, dude.
00:36:28.860
Yeah. Don't, don't knock it until no, no, no. I mean, where else do we get the wisdom that after
00:36:33.900
you, after you have sex with the camel to not sell that meat in your own village, but a different
00:36:39.340
village. 40 kilometers, 40 kilometers, 40, 40 kilometers. See, if I, I would have thought just
00:36:45.740
20, but that's why I'm on this evil. That's why you should read, Khomeini. No, I should read books,
00:36:52.380
man. Read books. Guys, go on amazon.com, read the Ayatollah's book, learn which animals you
00:36:58.540
should and shouldn't have sex with and how, um, yeah. The traditions, the rituals before and after,
00:37:05.420
but see like, what is so astonishing to me is that how they changed the narrative completely
00:37:14.940
and then started brainwashing children at school since like the beginning. Yeah. That's how, like,
00:37:23.260
I did not have any idea about like a lot of things that I know now by the end of my high
00:37:29.420
school because I was completely brainwashed. I was completely brainwashed to think that like,
00:37:35.180
oh, Mossadegh was such a loved person and like Khomeini was so... Nobody came out in his support.
00:37:42.380
Nobody came out in his support. Nobody talks about it. Two years before when they removed him,
00:37:47.020
hundreds of thousands came into the streets. Yeah. When they removed him second time, not a single
00:37:52.300
person came. And he had declared martial law, by the way. But yeah, go ahead. Like, no one thinks that
00:37:58.780
there were, there were a lot of groups. Like, one of the things that I think it's underrated, um, is how
00:38:10.220
MEK affected this whole revolution. Because they were the first group who started like the whole
00:38:17.580
armed conflicts, like killing people like against Pallavi. And they had a lot of influence on this.
00:38:26.060
And then Khomeini, what he does like right after comes to the office and like takes the power,
00:38:31.980
completely eliminates all of them. Bye. Yeah. Thank you. Bye.
00:38:37.420
Yeah. I mean, like we don't like Khomeini, you know, the only good thing he did is he did kill
00:38:44.300
all the socialists and MEK people. Hey man, come on. But, uh, no, the thing is, dude,
00:38:52.300
a lot of the MEK kids, they were like 14. They were arrested for passing out flyers. They weren't
00:38:58.780
ideologues. They didn't know shit. They arrested them. They kept them in their prison. And in 88,
00:39:05.020
they were just like, Hey, you know what? These ones need to be executed.
00:39:11.100
4,000 lowest count. 4,000 lowest count in a span of a summer. Prisoners who never,
00:39:18.860
none of them had death sentence. So yeah, but Khomeini, what they did was in three years after
00:39:25.980
the revolution, they completely emptied the country of every politically active group.
00:39:33.420
They shut down the universities immediately for three years for cultural revolution. So all the
00:39:39.420
students are gone. They, uh, shut down, uh, Mujahideen MEK, and they started to go after socialist
00:39:47.020
groups and socialist groups, one by one would sell each other out to get closer to the regime in the
00:39:54.220
hope of, yeah, they're going to keep us. And it's like, no, they're not. They're just going to get
00:40:00.300
rid of you. And, uh, so that's why you see a 10 year silence, absolute silence in Iran space, because
00:40:07.660
they killed everybody or they escaped and the rest went to war and died, all the youth.
00:40:12.620
Yeah. And they used the cover of the Iran Iraq war to execute more people. So, I mean, it's,
00:40:19.980
it's, it's nearly impossible to get an official body count on who died because of what, because,
00:40:25.500
you know, you, you use the cover of one of the most brutal wars in human history to, to execute
00:40:31.260
your own people. Pretty easy to then fudge the numbers and say they died in the battlefield.
00:40:35.900
Um, you know, especially in the pre-digital age, um, you have, you know, you have these problems.
00:40:43.420
Are you saying Sana, sorry, you wanted to say something.
00:40:45.500
Yeah. I want to say like, they mostly killed them and at night, nighttime, and then they're
00:40:53.100
buried, they're buried their bodies. Um, like all together, they mess, they.
00:41:00.060
Yeah. They killed them all like in a group and then buried their bodies. And, um, like, you think,
00:41:07.500
we know, but a lot of people, um, non-Iranians, they think like this has just started, but that
00:41:16.220
has been like this since the beginning, like the torture in jail.
00:41:20.780
It was just such a horrific shock to people that it basically, as I said, and they killed
00:41:27.420
so many of the youth that it just went silent, but that horror remained and people never forgot.
00:41:34.460
They charged those parents for the bullets, by the way.
00:41:40.540
Yeah. I mean, this is, it's standard, I mean, horrifying, but it's totalitarian takeover.
00:41:45.900
It's, you know, you, you start a new regime. And yeah, in, uh, 80, I think 81, 80, late 80,
00:41:55.420
I think, or 81, uh, was the mandatory hijab that came with, uh, Ruhani, President Ruhani,
00:42:03.820
the reformists started it in government buildings and pushed it. And gangs, uh, started to roam the
00:42:11.740
streets and whoever didn't have a hijab, they would just attack. And the chant was,
00:42:17.340
Yoru Sari, Yatu Sari. Basically either a hijab or a smack in the head. So that's how they did it.
00:42:25.420
So, yeah, I think because a lot of people, I think it's a good point to sort of extend it today,
00:42:30.300
because a lot of people, um, are going to dishonestly sell this anti-hijab, uh,
00:42:36.700
rally that is going right. Whereas, you know, I think a lot of us try and say like, no, no,
00:42:42.780
no, it's full on revolution. Um, but there, there is something to the, the people in the streets
00:42:49.500
started literally two weeks after started to chant, uh, hijab, basically hijab is just an excuse.
00:42:59.980
The regime is the target people in the streets of every city started chanting and they still were
00:43:05.420
going outside. Yeah. Hijab and the women. Okay. Yeah. That's the apologists who say,
00:43:11.580
look, Oh, this is Islamophobia. Oh no. Yeah. Oh, the Islamophobia argument was pretty. And that
00:43:19.900
the same thing is the reason why a lot of the Arab countries in the region are silent.
00:43:24.940
They're kind of worried. They're kind of worried on, on that too. I mean, one of the propaganda
00:43:30.060
things from the beginning was Islamist would defend the revolution, not by saying I side with
00:43:35.820
what the regime is doing there. They would do the, what about ism and the classic one about ism is
00:43:39.580
like, if a, why are so many people only mad when Iran enforces the hijab, but not mad when countries
00:43:46.220
like France or India do things against the hijab, like, right. So it's like basically saying, you know,
00:43:52.300
laws in France and laws in Iran are the same, but you're Islamophobic for only supporting one side of
00:43:57.260
it, which is like, it's obviously absurd, um, on, on its face. The one thing I do want to get,
00:44:03.900
get into maybe for a bit of sophistry here, but do you think the regime could survive if it took the
00:44:10.940
mandatory hijab law away? Because it already has, it already has the regime after the win against Wales,
00:44:18.140
the official, uh, uh, uh, Irna, the, uh, Iranian, uh, the government's news agency, right. The two of
00:44:27.020
the, no, that's the state TV and radio, uh, their official news agency, uh, published a few photos,
00:44:35.580
like people celebrating in the street for the world cup win. And in some of those photos were women
00:44:43.340
without hijab. So the regime is already signaling, see, see, uh, hijab. There's no hijab. Like, no,
00:44:52.140
not. Yeah. Okay. So because I mean, the, the argument there would be that, um, the hijab is such
00:44:59.020
a visible symbol of the regime. It's also a functional symbol of totalitarianism. It gives the
00:45:03.980
excuse, um, for the regime to be in every aspect of your life, to dominate your women, um, and provide
00:45:10.380
subservience to them that, yeah, but that's, yeah, exactly. That's one of the arguments that's been
00:45:15.980
made. Sorry. Continue. No, I, I think that was near the end. It's like, this is the sort of. Yeah. I
00:45:21.820
heard some, uh, some ladies say something really discussing was like, yeah, men in Iran have been,
00:45:28.380
uh, basically accessories to this. They've basically said nothing as if men in Iran were happy when their
00:45:37.020
sisters or mothers or daughters were being taken away and they can't do nothing in the face of a
00:45:42.940
19 year old with a gun. Like men were happy. And also I remember getting my jeans, uh, razored.
00:45:53.660
Boys would get arrested for short sleeves in the street. They would get arrested for wearing jeans.
00:46:01.340
They're every, every once in a while, there was a period that they would just throw these crazies in
00:46:07.900
the street and they would attack and grab anybody. If you had a weird hair, they would grab you and take
00:46:15.740
you everything. Everybody took it from this regime. Women on a different level also. Like to this day,
00:46:24.940
men cannot wear shorts in the street or like, yeah. Like they can't. Yeah. It's like, yeah. It's sort of
00:46:37.580
like, I was, I was thinking like, I was writing something the other day and I was thinking about
00:46:42.380
this. That's exactly how it is. Like they, this is a symbolic, like this is symbolic. They use women
00:46:51.020
to like show their power, show their control over people, but that's how it is for everyone. Like for
00:46:58.700
every human being in Iran, they are, they are oppressive for towards anyone, like no matter,
00:47:06.700
regardless of your gender. But like I was lashed. Okay. For walking in the street with a girl lashed.
00:47:17.100
Okay. It's ridiculous when you think about it. But yeah, that's why I was able to write jokes and
00:47:27.500
stuff about it because otherwise you go crazy. But it's the stupidity of thinking it was just
00:47:34.300
one sided. Like, oh, this ethnic group or that ethnic group or that religion or this religion or
00:47:40.780
women or everybody in every way imaginable, anybody who wasn't exactly on the same payments
00:47:49.180
as the regime was taking it every day. Yeah. That's, that's, no, that's a good point. All
00:47:56.220
right. So let's, let's bring this to where this is sort of important to the West and plays into
00:48:01.260
something that we've all been involved in, which is
00:48:03.420
the crossover between what we've called like these reformist Nayakis and, and let's say Western
00:48:14.060
political, I'd be different political ideologies where you have, you have them not just infiltrating
00:48:19.900
the highest, which is a government. So you could say on a policy level, um, Valley Nasser and Barbara
00:48:25.420
Slavin to essentially regime assets were in the Obama administration, got the J and push for the JCPOA or the
00:48:31.420
JCPOA or the Iran deal. And, you know, got, he literally had a photo with Ray C right before he
00:48:37.580
went back. Both of them did. Both, both, both Slavin was caught in the same room and Valley Nasser,
00:48:44.700
there's a picture of him leaving the hotel, um, of, uh, uh, of this. So that's like the highest level
00:48:52.620
it gets to like the Obama administration. And you have some same kinds of people, you know, Robert O'Malley,
00:48:59.100
Ned Price, um, in the. Oh boy, O'Malley, have you seen his positions change? Iranians really did a
00:49:05.660
number on him. I mean, they went from terrible. He was the biggest appeaser of the regime. He was the
00:49:14.060
planner behind Obama's deal with the regime. And, uh, when he came, everybody was like, Oh God,
00:49:19.820
the regime's going to get another hundred billion. And now he's like, no, it's not acceptable.
00:49:25.500
Hmm. Yeah. So he's, he still hasn't done anything good, but he's been there. But there's, I think
00:49:30.860
there's another thing of like, okay, the question I guess is, why do you guys think it's so important
00:49:36.380
to fight these Nayakis to, uh, stop like, you know, Negar Mortazavi just had another appearance at UCLA
00:49:43.100
and Santa was not happy. Uh, let's say, um, is, you know, why do you, why would you say it's important?
00:49:51.660
Um, you know, do you have, do you have reasons other than it's, you know, it hurts the Iranian
00:49:56.220
people? Like you see any, can you make the case for any utility to the, to the Western world to,
00:50:00.780
to stop these reformist infiltrators? Yeah. See, like the reason that
00:50:05.580
like people in society, like non-Iranian communities have no idea of like how bad it is
00:50:15.980
and the extent of things and how it is really are these reformists that have had like so much
00:50:22.940
influence, power and media. And then when that happens, um, like one way or another,
00:50:29.820
it's going to affect the policy and politicians. And just keep that in mind that a lot of Democrats
00:50:37.820
have been backing them up throughout years. And if you go like, read about it, if you go like,
00:50:45.420
look through their funders, the foundations, like Plasher foundations, Rockefeller brothers,
00:50:52.300
if you go see that, and then from there, you go to like so many branches of Democrats,
00:50:58.140
different organizations that we've never heard of. And those have been supporting this organization
00:51:06.860
for so long to like hold the power for them. And if they get discredited and they, they are all doing
00:51:17.180
that under the name of, oh, we are like a community. So we do communities. They're the representatives of
00:51:23.740
the community of Iranian Americans. Exactly. And now they're doing everything
00:51:28.380
under that name, right? Now, if they lose that, what is the, their use, right? If you lose that,
00:51:37.020
your shield, what are you going to do? Like people are renouncing you. People don't want you.
00:51:43.500
So what are you going to do? They have to learn to code. Yeah, they have to go.
00:51:46.220
You have to learn to code. Things you're allowed to say now. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I totally
00:51:53.660
agree. And there's also the level of people in Iran know Nayak now. Okay. People in Iran are way more
00:52:01.420
aware of what's going on than I would give them credit for. I used to give them credit for, especially
00:52:08.300
the youth, the last generation who grew up with internet, doesn't remember a world without internet.
00:52:16.140
They are on it, man. So seeing Nayak get its ass handed to it. And also there's also another aspect,
00:52:25.180
maybe that wrong solutions that are offered. Okay. There are talks like in, where was it? Germany
00:52:35.660
or where they had the representatives of like four or five separatist groups.
00:52:44.140
Iranian separatist groups talking. And it's like, so nobody else, just these guys. And it's like,
00:52:50.940
that's the thing. Nayak could basically point a lot of Western governments to wrong directions.
00:53:00.140
And I think there's another thing where they make common cause with other groups that I would
00:53:04.860
say have less than noble intentions, or maybe have fine intentions, but bad solutions, let's say,
00:53:10.460
who like to portray themselves as representative of community X. So it'd be Black Lives Matter,
00:53:16.860
you know, people like Nayak bring out the worst in them, right? The progressive Jewish movement,
00:53:21.020
Jay Street, these like, however you Iranians feel about Nayak is the same way I feel about Jay Street, like
00:53:27.580
rocket ship to the moon, to the sun. Like I, them, like, I just...
00:53:31.340
Jay Street, they've been working together. They have been working together because,
00:53:34.940
you know, undermining the Jewish community. Code Pink also. Code Pink also. Code Pink isn't like,
00:53:40.940
but Code Pink is more like press TV of the progressive Jews.
00:53:46.380
They have photos in Islamic republics, basically, what was it? It was an exhibition for something and
00:53:53.660
they had gone to, they were the guests of Islamic republics.
00:53:58.860
And it's just so funny that like this Nayaki people, they have like some core values,
00:54:05.660
and they are like all the exact same as the core values that exist in Iran, like in the government
00:54:13.100
in Iran, like anti-Semitism or whatever happens, whatever happens, it's Israel.
00:54:28.300
But they do shave and wear bikinis and makeups, so...
00:54:32.380
This is a... I use my Mossad mind control powers to take control of the CIA
00:54:37.020
to inspire these color revolutions with Wraithon cloaking technology.
00:54:48.700
I think this was people just getting pissed off in every single city.
00:54:56.220
Color revolution happens usually with the elite.
00:54:59.180
Yeah. I mean, this is the thing. I don't think... I think WR Winter, I think he's trolling on a high
00:55:05.260
Right. I'm not attacking him. I'm just saying color...
00:55:07.740
It's actually a good question because a lot of people actually have that conspiracy theory that,
00:55:16.140
No, dude, WEF doesn't go to Boraz John and tell people to go to the streets.
00:55:23.740
Yeah. But I mean, the reason I brought that up is it's another thing where, like,
00:55:26.860
the morons of all sides will... this is like the new moron talking point.
00:55:31.980
From more on the far right now, like, you know, the Jackson Hinkle, I'm a mega communist idiot.
00:55:37.260
Like, he, like, make videos of, like, thousands of people protesting in California and be like,
00:55:41.820
don't they know it's a CIA color revolution? And it's like, how stupid do you have to be to think
00:55:47.020
everything is, like, a CIA plot? Like, the thing, it's like, do you not think the people inside the
00:55:51.980
country might have, like, some idea of what they're like? Like, you know, it's like, yeah, it's... but
00:55:58.620
this is, like, one of the new propaganda things. But I want to bring that out because whereas the
00:56:03.980
unhinged... what I like about the alt-right is they, like, there's no...
00:56:09.660
...to say exactly what they want to say and it comes in their mouth and it's unhinged.
00:56:16.540
Right? But Jackson Hinkle going, like, this is all a CIA color revolutionist balcony.
00:56:21.500
It's actually what Tritta Parsi will... he'll go and he creates a think tank called Quincy to say,
00:56:27.660
like, well, you know, people are upset and on the streets, but there is some
00:56:32.700
interference going on. Like, he'll do three paragraphs and add in some technical terms,
00:56:37.500
but you distill what Tritta Parsi and these Nike's say, and it actually is exactly what
00:56:43.580
W.R. Winter sarcastically said is, oh, it's a CIA Mossad operation where they're just tricking
00:56:49.100
the people into doing this. Like, so, like, this is one of those things where you see...
00:56:53.420
Another thing is that people seeing it in the media and everything they see in the media,
00:56:58.700
they are immediately kind of mistrusted. But the thing is, if this revolution hadn't reached
00:57:11.660
Yeah, that's the thing. Like, the media is hijacked to the point that there was, like,
00:57:17.580
no way that they get, like, true, like, face of, like, okay, what's happening?
00:57:24.700
A true picture of what's happening in Iran and why it's happening. Because it's all hijacked
00:57:31.740
by, like, people that we know. They're very well known.
00:57:38.140
So when it reached TikTok directly, then the media had no excuse. And it went, like, a billion hashtags
00:57:47.420
on TikTok or something. So they, it had, it seeped into the culture. Now they had to talk about it.
00:57:56.140
Yeah, I mean, an important thing to bring up on this reformist thing is you brought up like...
00:57:59.580
Now they're not talking about it at all, really.
00:58:02.940
Like in 2019, bloody November, when, right, lowest estimate was 1400 people killed in three days,
00:58:09.660
right? Probably close to about 5000 in November by... But again, we have no way... I don't trust the IRGC.
00:58:16.060
Our friends in Iran human rights have 4000 names.
00:58:20.620
4000 names, right? So, yeah, I've heard that number as well. So, again, 4000 verified by an organization,
00:58:28.380
you know, that's why I say probably closer to 5000, just ballparking. Anyways, my point is,
00:58:33.820
when asked about this, an IRGC commander asked why he was shooting protesters in the head,
00:58:37.820
he responded, well, we're also shooting them in the legs.
00:58:42.540
To be fair. To be fair to the IRGC, they don't just murder people, they also maim them. Okay? So,
00:58:48.460
there we go. But the reformists at this time, if you look back at the reformist tweets,
00:58:54.380
these people we've been bringing up, the Treda Parsis, nega morta civis. When their people of Iran
00:58:59.580
were being massacred by the regime, and not even violently protesting, basically,
00:59:03.420
peacefully, it wasn't like now where they're like, okay, we're fighting back.
00:59:05.900
They were still, the reformists were not, were tweeting pictures about, oh, look,
00:59:12.380
Iran looks so beautiful in the winter. And, you know, the CIA coup, and like, they didn't care
00:59:18.860
one bit. And they were just distracting. They didn't take the side of the protesters. They either,
00:59:23.340
you know, dismiss the protesters or deliberately obfuscated. Well, that's why this time we served
00:59:29.100
them a dish that they couldn't refuse with the women movement. Exactly. And they couldn't really
00:59:35.980
not talk about women. And then, like someone like Negar Murtazavi goes on BBC and denies the
00:59:44.700
number of people killed, says, oh, no, there's no, there's no actual number. What is their resource,
00:59:52.700
like, for saying $1,000? My handler hasn't given me any. It's like,
00:59:59.180
called me yet. They even, they even, um, accused me, by the way, of being an Israel agent, being like,
01:00:07.980
given direction by like Israel, Saudis and things like that. It's just amazing. In 2012, I was accused
01:00:18.540
of so many things that it just didn't make sense. I was accused of being an Israeli and the Saudi
01:00:25.100
Arabian agent, and American and Mujahideen. And it was like, no, this isn't work. Mujahideen is on the
01:00:34.780
terror list in US at the time. To clear, to clear things up, both Sana and Sia applied to Mossad.
01:00:41.100
They were denied. Yeah. So we sent them to the Saudis. No, I, I, I, I took back my application that
01:00:49.580
the hours are not good for me. Oh yeah. Yeah. We work them hard. The hours don't work. And you
01:00:54.460
have to do a horror. Yeah. To me, they said, come back when your PhD is done. Yeah. That's, that's the,
01:01:00.620
that, that was our thing to Sana. But you know, you know what is funny? Like, I was sitting on my bed,
01:01:07.660
like my pajamas and tweeting, and then Negar Murtaz Aviv would like say, oh, this is like,
01:01:13.820
Israel, Israel, like started the campaign of a smear and all like, really? Really? Well,
01:01:25.020
man, look at me. I'm a student. Like, how can I? Oh man. I was, yeah, I was, when I was a refugee,
01:01:32.620
they called, they, I talked to the guy about how bad my finances was. And the next week he said,
01:01:41.820
yeah, we're taking money from Israel. And I was like, me, where? Yeah, please. If there's money,
01:01:48.940
show me. And then it was like, Hey man, I found that's always the best thing to do is just give
01:01:53.740
into it. Like, I remember I stepped into the, um, India, Pakistan cashmere debate a couple of years ago.
01:02:00.540
And I had all these Pakistani trolls being like, how much does India pay you to do this? And I'd say,
01:02:04.460
actually 13% of India's GDP is directed towards my social media posts. If you want to get on it. Like,
01:02:11.820
cause they have no response. Like I find like people shilling for an evil regime don't understand
01:02:17.260
humor on. And it's very, it's very frightening, but there, a lot of them are on Twitter and openly
01:02:25.100
are shilling. And, uh, but, oh, one thing I wanted to mention, Hey, when I said like, uh, it's not that
01:02:32.060
like the regime didn't hurt anybody in like the specific group. No, there were groups that the
01:02:39.100
regime hit harder. Okay. Like again, women went through harder shit because imagine in the summer
01:02:46.540
in, I don't know, I was wearing all that stuff on. Yeah. He starts at a rate of degrees in 50 degrees.
01:02:57.020
The horror, the terror women don't have the right to divorce. They get the half the value in death of
01:03:04.540
men in inheritance of men, everything. So, yeah. And there are like Sunnis,
01:03:09.980
Sunni courts. Like when they were arresting us in university, they got the ones that had,
01:03:16.860
they had their names, uh, like us nine who they had our names. They got us on the van. And then
01:03:24.780
there was one guy left who wasn't one of us who was a nerd. And he was like 18, but he looked older
01:03:31.340
and the guy asked him, what's your name? And he said his name. And, uh, the guy was like,
01:03:37.580
are you a Kurt? And he was like, yeah. He said, are you Sunni? He was like, yeah. He said, get on.
01:03:43.740
Yeah. We, we were joking at the time. Well, I was joking at the time that he was our diversity arrest
01:03:50.060
because we were from the North, but yeah, they do get it harder. But the response is some people
01:03:59.020
come up with the, this made up stuff about all these nations that are being subjugated. And it's
01:04:06.140
like, no, there are no nations. There's one Iranian nation and there are ethnicities who all of them
01:04:11.340
have ruled this country at some point from Sistan Balochistan. We've had Safar Lays, the first guy
01:04:19.100
who rose up against the caliphate from North. We have ZREs. We have, uh, Ali Bouyeh and on to goes to
01:04:29.020
Nader Shah, who was a court and one of the greatest military strategic minds that we've ever had. And he
01:04:35.980
was Kurdish. So everybody has ruled this country. Most of all Turks, actually. There is no like,
01:04:44.460
oh, this guy has been subjugated by Iran. No, they all were part of it. They all ruled at some
01:04:51.100
point. It was like a, every once in a while, somebody else would rule. Sorry. I had to just
01:04:57.580
mention that. Yeah, no, I think that's a good point because another thing that we're seeing does
01:05:01.580
that if you get into these spaces and you're like, you know, just a random Canadian American,
01:05:06.380
whatever, and you're coming in, uh, the regime itself pays a lot of the major separatists, uh,
01:05:12.620
leaders to exist because they want to use the fear of ethnic separatism as a domestic boogeyman.
01:05:17.900
That's their number one thing. Yeah. Yeah. That's their number one thing is like,
01:05:21.980
you know, if you break it up, well, the entire country is going to fracture and do this. So you'll find,
01:05:27.180
you know, a lot of, you know, you know, I, I spoke to a Kurdish guy, you know, last week,
01:05:32.300
and I wrote an article on, on, you know, the, the war crimes that are being committed against them.
01:05:36.940
And, you know, the Kurdish region is getting it way harder than the rest. And number two would be
01:05:41.020
the Balochistan region. Balochistan, yeah. But he was so insistent that they're not separatists,
01:05:46.620
that they're fighting for all of Iran. Yeah. One, because that's, he sees himself as Iranian, but two,
01:05:52.700
the excuse that the regime is using when they raid house to house is they're looking for the separatist
01:05:57.500
leaders from Iraq, which don't exist. Um, and this is the excuse they use, um, domestically to,
01:06:04.780
you know, oppress these people. So it's, it's, it's something that needs to be worth mention to new
01:06:09.340
people here is yeah. A lot of people will come and skew this, what sounds like this sort of social
01:06:13.980
justice-y, um, uh, like ethnic discrimination. They don't understand Iran's socio-ethnic, basically.
01:06:24.380
I would say like Iran is the original multicultural country on earth in history. Because since 2500
01:06:34.860
years ago, it was the Pars tribe, then it was the Mott tribe, then it was the Pars tribe, then it was the
01:06:39.900
Parthian tribe. All over Iran, different tribes considered themselves Iranians and ruled over this
01:06:49.820
country one time or another. And any group that they took over, like Arabs moved to Iran 2000 years ago
01:06:56.380
before Islam. Iranian Arabs in the south 2000 years ago moved to Iran. Jews, I don't know, you know better.
01:07:04.860
It would have been after the destruction of the first temple. Huh? It was after the destruction of
01:07:10.060
the first temple, around the time of the... 2500? Sorry? 2500 years, something? 2500 years,
01:07:17.500
at the time of Cyrus the Great. So it's, it's actually... Yeah, yeah, 2400 I think. Yeah.
01:07:21.740
So like these, like Iran until the revolution, we had a hundred thousand Jews in Iran,
01:07:28.860
in a Muslim country, the largest population in any other country around. But
01:07:35.020
all these different groups are now being talked to as if they're not Iranian. They've been taken over
01:07:42.060
by Iran. And it's like, no, they're all Iranian. Iran has an identity. It has had... Arabs destroyed this
01:07:48.860
country. Mongolians literally flattened it. And they couldn't destroy this identity. There was something
01:07:56.220
there. Mongolians couldn't destroy it. And see, like, the ethnic killing, sorry. Like, Baluch people
01:08:06.380
in the south, a lot of them don't have ID, government ID issues. So it's so easy to kill them without having
01:08:14.380
any record of like, how many people have been killed here? Don't know. Because there's no... God knows.
01:08:20.380
God knows. God knows. Courts, the Kulbars. Court Kulbars. Basically a job. It's a job in courts, you know,
01:08:28.220
that basically they take stuff, smuggling stuff in, because they have nothing. And they just shoot them.
01:08:37.020
They use them as target practice. In, I don't know, Baha'is. It's another group. Whenever they desire,
01:08:45.260
it's like, somebody kills that other guy. And it's like, yeah, he was saying some nasty,
01:08:51.420
like, infidel, heretic shit. Or Baha'is is very scary. Like, they don't, they have no right to like...
01:08:59.180
They're basically Jews in Germany before the war. 1934, right? Yeah. Jews during, like,
01:09:09.660
it's like that. They, like, they, they arrest their, like, teachers who are having this, like,
01:09:16.140
um, schools, like, underground. Yeah, because they're not allowed higher education. So they have to
01:09:21.500
basically hire their own teachers to teach their children and they arrest them. They attack those
01:09:28.220
schools and attack and arrest them. And it's like, so how, what, what do you want this guy to do?
01:09:36.060
I know, like, someone during, um, like, when I was in college, um, like, someone that I knew,
01:09:42.300
and, like, we're friends, um, got, like, expelled, expelled from school only because of her religion.
01:09:51.420
Yeah. Yeah, I was literally told by the head of security that, uh, yeah, don't, don't, don't,
01:09:59.340
waste your time applying for higher education. Yeah, you're not. You're, you're a high. No,
01:10:05.500
but we were arrested and prisoned at the time. So he was like, yeah, don't waste your time. And the
01:10:10.540
friend of ours who did waste his time and studied and all that, he didn't get any response. He was like,
01:10:16.300
yeah, piss off. How many lives they have destroyed? Like, my father, um, he was one of the, the first
01:10:29.900
group of students who got into college after the three years of, um, cultural revolution. And, um,
01:10:37.260
there was like a, uh, written, like it was a written test. And then it was like those, uh, multi choice
01:10:44.700
tests, like two, um, different exams that you have to go through both. And then you had to go through
01:10:52.540
an interview. And then after the interview, they would like do research about you and you're with
01:10:59.580
you. Yeah. Yeah. Like, um, to see if you have like nothing with like families or something,
01:11:07.260
that has done something. Yeah. And, uh, if you look at the Shah's time, this evil monster,
01:11:15.660
Iran has for 14 years, Iran has a, uh, economic growth of over 15.
01:11:29.020
4 is great. 4% is great. 15, dude. The year, some years 20.
01:11:41.340
That's what this guy was doing. He was doing it a little fast. People were not ready for it. And, uh,
01:11:47.500
this is, uh, this is the, yeah. Like when you, when, then you read your history, it just pieces me off.
01:11:57.020
I don't even want to read those things. Oh, and, uh, Iranians are now literally chanting,
01:12:01.980
Hey, we made a mistake, but one interesting thing, I don't know if we want to go or what,
01:12:06.300
but there's one interesting thing I want to talk about that, uh, you know, the mythology of every
01:12:14.700
country, every group has a root in what their story has been over and over and over again in history.
01:12:21.580
Yeah. Iranian mythology, one of basically the, after the great king, Jamshid, who does great things,
01:12:31.740
becomes a full of himself and loses God's divine, uh, support. He is basically, the country is
01:12:39.500
attacked by a foreigner as a hawk. And, uh, he, who has two snakes growing over his shoulders.
01:12:45.980
As we know. And those snakes eat the brains of young men every night, one young man every night.
01:12:52.300
Oh, let go of the, there's enough. Yeah. Jordan Peterson, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. But,
01:12:58.060
but what happens is this foreign guy comes takes over and then a blacksmith
01:13:06.300
rises named Kaveh rises and, uh, starts a revolt and goes and finds the true king
01:13:14.700
and they come back and defeat this, uh, usurper. In our mythology,
01:13:20.140
we have a popular revolution by a commoner. Okay. This is just our thing. We apparently do it a lot.
01:13:34.300
Imagine in 120 years, we've had three revolutions, constitutional revolution,
01:13:41.820
Islamic revolution, and now this one. And they pretty much had the same pattern.
01:13:46.140
Yeah. And you don't have that in anywhere else. Three revolutions in 120 years.
01:13:54.620
Yeah. It's just our thing, man. We just get excited. We make a mistake and then we're like,
01:14:00.140
okay, let's, let's fix that. Let's fix that. Do you think there's a good chance of the re-institution
01:14:07.180
of the Pallavi dynasty? Or do you think, uh, it will go towards- There's a lot of stuff. Yeah. Like,
01:14:13.420
Pallavi is the name, the only name that is being chanted in the streets, not by everybody,
01:14:19.660
but the only actual name that people chant in the streets is Pallavi. Nobody's chanting for
01:14:25.820
Maryam Rajavi and MEK. Nobody's chanting for, I don't know, Masih Alinejad. I respect them, but
01:14:31.980
they don't chant their names. They don't chant as miners. But there is one person that they chant,
01:14:37.740
not everybody again, but the only one that has been chanted. And that's Pallavi.
01:14:43.180
He has, he has done no mistakes politically. He speaks three, four languages. And he's hung out
01:14:52.540
when he was like a teenager. He's hung out with, I don't know, Nixon and sat down, basically hung out
01:14:59.660
with heads of states. This guy has been breathing politics and international politics and everything,
01:15:06.380
his whole life. So he is very qualified and people still love the time of Pallavi. There's a saying
01:15:13.020
in Iran that Iran has four times, present, past, future, and Pallavi's time. Everybody always says,
01:15:20.300
like, ah, Pallavi's time, it was like this, Pallavi's time. It was like that. Yeah, I think Pallavi's
01:15:27.100
the most like, say, the favorite, like one of the most favorite out of all the governments that we've
01:15:37.420
had in like 200 years. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And the only problem is a lot of the
01:15:44.780
older generation and lefties and stuff. They're still fighting the 1979 revolution. They still
01:15:52.860
believe, like MEK, like they still believe that the revolution was good. It was just misdirected and
01:16:00.220
taken over, usurped by bad guys, as if like they were the good guys. Yeah. So that's the problem.
01:16:08.540
Yeah. And Pallavi has openly said, hey, I, I'm not gonna have any expectation. I'll just be the voice
01:16:19.420
until a government establishes and we do elections. Then if people vote that they want constitutional
01:16:25.900
monarchy, okay. If they don't, okay, goodbye. I might run for president. I just want to help.
01:16:33.900
I just want to serve this country. It's like, but your daddy, like, and it's like, yeah,
01:16:41.260
he's dead through basically Islamists, fathers of ISIS and communists who were supporting Stalin
01:16:48.700
in prison. What a bad guy. Yeah, that's the thing. See, like Pallavi has the biggest support from the
01:16:57.420
people. And, um, it's the most legit opposition. Like they, they, they are known. They've been in
01:17:07.420
power. They have a resume. No one is like Pallavi. Oh, no, no, no. The dude literally every time he
01:17:14.220
goes on another foreign TV and speaks another language and I'm like, oh, okay. I didn't know.
01:17:20.540
Yeah. I mean, I, I've been, I, I'm with you. I've been quite impressed with he's, he's inside
01:17:27.340
a pretty tight box and he's been able to maneuver quite well. And I have been critical of him because
01:17:32.940
in my mind, I was like, he's not taking charge and blah, blah, blah. But then when I got more into it,
01:17:40.780
I was like, oh, he's being, he's being a king, a constitutional king doesn't jump in political
01:17:47.980
fights and this group and that group and stuff. They just, if they agree on him, he will basically
01:17:54.220
do something, but he's not gonna jump in and be like, yeah, let me rule you. And like, of course,
01:18:00.860
he's being very actually regal. Yeah. Yeah. That's, um, so, and I wasn't a fan and originally I wasn't a
01:18:10.220
monarchist. I became one. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, I mean, so this is a question I'll bring up from
01:18:18.460
the chat. I'll bring up all legitimate questions. Someone's asking about the history of the mullahs,
01:18:21.820
but I think that's less interesting. Mullahs have a very long history in Iran.
01:18:27.660
Yeah. And that's a hard one. That one's just a lot harder to go over. Um, yeah. So if the Islamic
01:18:32.380
Republic, if the Islamic Republic regime does not cooperate with the mechanism defined by the
01:18:36.380
UN rights, UN human rights code, except to condemn this kind of what else, like what it's going to
01:18:40.300
do. So it's like, I think this person is asking like, what I think your intention is like, what
01:18:43.900
can the United nations do? Yeah. And the answer is nothing. Um, if you're talking about boots on the
01:18:49.500
ground, they've never done it before. And that requires, if it does happen, the consent of Russia
01:18:54.620
and China, uh, two of the regime's allies. So get that out of your mind. Um, the United nations
01:19:00.860
can send a semi-automatic, highly, um, strong worded letter. Um, but other than an assault,
01:19:09.580
really just the letter, I mean, they can, I mean, it's strong words. Okay. Now, one thing that I
01:19:14.940
have a problem with is Israel. Okay. Israel used to blow up a lot of for the regime
01:19:22.060
right before this revolution happened. And everybody, literally everybody was like, awesome.
01:19:26.700
Whenever we had heard like, Oh, this missile factory blew up. Awesome. Suddenly they all stopped.
01:19:38.700
basically conspiracy theories are coming that Israel needs a crazy regime like Iran. The hardliner is
01:19:48.300
basically the far right in Israel needs a crazy regime to basically push its agenda.
01:19:57.900
I don't know. I'm hoping Netanyahu proves us wrong. I I've been a fan of the guy, so we'll see.
01:20:03.500
From yeah. From my contacts is the Israelis don't want to keep these. They see the, the, they see the,
01:20:10.780
the destruction of the Islamic Republic as a security need. And they understand that they can't play hot
01:20:15.420
potato forever because eventually the regime gets a nuke and then all the, the, the, the answer this
01:20:24.700
from what I know of the Israelis is one, they were, they don't want to be accused of trying to control
01:20:32.860
the revolution that this is an Israeli revolution and they don't want to be caught with any clandestine
01:20:37.660
operations inside of Iran right now. Cause then they would see that as potentially undermining the
01:20:42.860
movement. However, they have stepped up, uh, attacks on the IRD. And it was quite shocking
01:20:51.020
because a couple of months ago, they actually in the middle of the revolution admitted to striking
01:20:56.060
Syria. Like one of the games they play in Syria is the reason they could strike them in Syria is
01:21:00.300
because the Islamic Republic pretends that they're nowhere else in the world. Yeah. For some reason,
01:21:04.780
like Israel attacks those troops and then they're like, what troops were attacked? Exactly. I don't
01:21:12.220
know. I saw that. What is that? Is that a plane? Yeah. That's Superman. Soleimani took a vacation to
01:21:18.940
Syria and suddenly got bombed and died. So they played this little game where like Israel bombed Syria. How
01:21:27.340
many Syrian soldiers died? Zero. Um, who died? Um, some Iranian contractors and Israel says,
01:21:36.460
wasn't us. Right. But they actually admitted that, you know, yeah, we're striking Syria now to hit IRGC
01:21:42.140
points and like kind of said it out loud, which is sort of a taunt to the regime. Like, yeah,
01:21:47.580
we're in Syria. You're going to fight us here. Like, because they want them to sort of ramp up their
01:21:51.340
efforts in Syria to drain their resources. They could fight them there. Uh, also I don't want,
01:21:56.940
no, I honestly don't want any military operations like actions. I do like it. If Israel, for example,
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hit a, I don't know, IRGC base. Yeah. Okay. In Iran. I would love that, but not any like real big
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operations and no big operations from Western countries. Western countries just fuck everything
01:22:19.100
up, man. So the final part of this on the Israeli thing is you have to remember Israel just went
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through its whole seventh election in the last 13 days. Um, I know it's right, but this
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in order for the way Israel elections work, for those who understand it, it's a coalition system.
01:22:34.780
So the winning party gets the most seats. They have the right. The president determines like
01:22:39.660
the prime minister, but the president looks and says, okay, in this case, Netanyahu's Likud,
01:22:43.820
you have the right to try and form government. So over the next month or so, Netanyahu goes to all the
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different parties with seats and then negotiate what the, what the government is going to look
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like. So the, it doesn't make sense. The Israelis would start clandestine inside Iran operations
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without knowing, okay, who's the foreign secretary going to be like all these high ranking. Yeah.
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Everything's up in the air right now. Yeah. They're not going to do anything other than just
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do the easy thing of striking them in Syria until the government coalesces. Uh, but I do,
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I'm with you. I do think Netanyahu is the best guy for the Iranians right now.
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Iranian people. I mean, yeah, because he was the first guy who got it that, oh,
01:23:23.100
Iranians directly. Yeah. He started to write messages in Persian. He started to directly talk
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to Iranians and write subtitles and Iranians on Twitter actually responded very positively.
01:23:37.900
Yeah. And that's because they realized, oh, we were being, somebody got it. Somebody got it.
01:23:42.700
Somebody's seeing us actually. Yeah. He's getting it that no, no, no. We're different.
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And the Israelis are highly pragmatic and they spend a lot of like, they don't,
01:23:50.860
the Israelis don't care about the American or Canadian discourse and like Democrat, Republican,
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liberal, conservative, like they really don't care about us. Like they really, really don't care.
01:24:00.140
Like we're so like, they think, especially the Jewish community, they think we're just all a bunch of
01:24:05.180
cowards. And like, they're like, we can't like, you're a headache, real problems. But they're like,
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our real problems is the Islamic Republic and these lunatics. So they actually do know. And you saw
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this with Bibi. He like took the time to learn like how to do propaganda, how to troll the regime,
01:24:21.260
how to undermine them. I like where, what hurts them and what helps them. So I'm optimistic that when
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the government settles, there'll be a coordinated plan. Hey man, when I heard it, I was like, Hey man,
01:24:34.380
good. Thank God. We'll see. Can I say something? I, I strongly think I have no evidence or nothing.
01:24:41.500
This is just like my intention. You're just talking. Yeah. I feel like this hacking things that are like
01:24:50.380
the national TV get hacked. Like these big ones. Um, I feel like that's Israel because like they've
01:25:01.980
had the history of like doing groups that there was a group that lost him. Yeah. That was, that was the
01:25:14.780
Iranian, that was the IRGC cyber army. Oh no, they took him down. They took him down.
01:25:21.260
That's what it was. I know what you mean. Like, Oh, am I still here? Yes. Yes. Yes. You're here.
01:25:27.900
We lost the entire response. What happened? Yeah. We were talking about the cyber hacking and then
01:25:36.780
Oh, so no, no, no. There was a cyber group in Iran that, uh, said, yeah, we did it. But that group is
01:25:46.940
kind of shady. Nobody really knows. They have been also like, they hacked result. It actually could be
01:25:58.220
Israelis. They hacked result of his phone and like exposed him, all his photos, personal, all the
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photos of. Oh no. See, he's gotten too close to the truth. Yes. Yes. And these are like exciting ones,
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but at least it paused on a good frame for him.
01:26:22.380
Yeah. Yeah. Did I get frozen again? You're back. You're frozen again. After you're telling us. I'm
01:26:28.140
really sorry. I'll say this quickly. They published his photos online and it was all him and his wife
01:26:33.900
in very wholesome, nice. He obviously a man loves his wife by the beach, but still like, oh, wow. You
01:26:41.980
exposed them. And then I was like, maybe this was on purpose to show like, oh, he's a nice dude. I don't
01:26:48.140
know. So like hacking national TV, because that is not connected to like, they say somebody should
01:26:55.420
have been inside. Yes. Someone should have been physically inside there. And Israel have done that
01:27:01.580
with like nuclear documentation and things like that. And some, yes, some scientist guy. Yeah. So
01:27:11.900
I feel like that could be Israel. Yeah, it could be. It could. I mean, they did do the stocks net thing.
01:27:18.780
Yeah. I mean, I, for what I like the, the Mossad wouldn't be opposed to hacking Iran's national
01:27:25.820
broadcast. He brought to put out anti-regime messaging. Hey man, Mossad actually took half a ton
01:27:32.940
of paper, classified paper from Iran on a truck loaded it up on a truck and left. It's unbelievable.
01:27:45.260
I mean, if it shows how deep the corruption is, it's more like a comment on the, the structure of
01:27:51.180
the Islamic Republic. And like, yeah, I mean, I always say, really? Like, is that like the most secure
01:27:59.660
system and organization that you have and they can like easily steal your documentations? Really?
01:28:07.820
Like it's like the regime runs as a kleptocracy. It's people just stealing the wealth of the country.
01:28:12.620
Oh yeah. It's just a fight over the oil faucet. That's it.
01:28:16.940
Yeah. Those people fighting over money aren't that hard to bribe.
01:28:21.340
Absolutely. Absolutely. And the new generation of the regime's operatives,
01:28:25.980
the executives and whatever, they're not at all in any way, like committed to Islam and whatever.
01:28:33.500
They just realized that, okay, this system needs this and I can provide this.
01:28:40.140
So there are some crazy Islamists who are like, no, no, absolutely. But most of them are not.
01:28:45.980
Most of them, their life is on it because all their money, livelihood, everything is on it with the regime.
01:28:56.540
So I think this was pretty great. Thank you, both of you, for coming. We did an hour and a half here
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Sia, thank you for coming on. Sana, thanks for giving us your time.
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Welcome to the Zionist Conspiracy. This wasn't even live. This was just going straight to the Saad headquarters.
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No, I know Negar Mortisavi is a double, double agent, triple agent.
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But I just got a text from Bibi right now. You both passed.
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I'll fix my hours. I can't do weekends. I can't.
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Sia, Shomer, Shabbos, Sana, good for 24-7, around-the-clock, Mossad agent, Zionist spy work.
01:29:57.340
I'll be your contact point. And again, everyone in the audience online,
01:30:02.780
the internet is also a Zionist conspiracy. And everyone here is just, they're all Israelis here.
01:30:07.660
So thank you for coming. Thank you to Negar Mortisavi for providing us with infinite material.
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And I will see you both around. I appreciate it coming.
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It was nice meeting you, Sana. And I hope we provided some information.