The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - May 01, 2021


TNT Live Episode 7 Talking politics, climate, and COVID with Frank Vaughan


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In this episode of TNTN Live, we are joined by a very special guest, Canadian YouTuber and commentator, Frank Vaughn. We talk about the new internet world, porn, Bill C-10 and much more!

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00:00:00.000 all right we are live for tnt live episode seven which isn't going on the national telegraph because
00:00:06.220 we just learned that my co-host why claypool is a serial pornographer um so for we like what is it
00:00:12.360 three weeks ago we posted the picture and the story with the mp in the liberals coming in nude
00:00:17.240 and then today like now now we're basically pornhub so we're you know this isn't this is out
00:00:23.080 of my page we'll put it to tnt later if you're watching this hey daniel's doing another stream
00:00:26.880 today who knows um welcome to the new internet world you know we can adjust on the fly so i'm
00:00:31.780 daniel this is why and today we're joined by a very special guest uh frank vaughn who i would describe
00:00:36.640 as like a high quality canadian youtuber um there's been a prolific series of uh you know prolific
00:00:43.160 youtuber lots of subjects usually very very well researched um so frank i'll throw it to you just
00:00:48.460 like give the people a bit of an introduction of yourself what you do uh what you're working on
00:00:51.920 now well number one i didn't find out that these guys were serial pornographers until i got on the
00:00:56.540 stream so they did not disclose this to me beforehand but i mean that's that's facebook
00:01:02.360 for you i mean that that's trying to do business with them you never know what they're going to
00:01:06.040 get you i got uh three community strikes i believe it's three or four on my page every single one i
00:01:12.000 appealed and i won every single appeal and after i won every single appeal they said we're still
00:01:17.320 blacklisting you for repeated violations of our community terms of service or whatever the hell 0.79
00:01:21.680 they call it so it's just it never ends and i as a result of these things because i've encountered
00:01:27.500 warnings and strikes on youtube i've had issues with twitter my first account was removed i've went
00:01:32.420 through about seven facebook accounts over the course of time so i set up my website so i can
00:01:37.580 actually stream video there and i can upload video there and it won't crash if a thousand people try to
00:01:42.600 view a video at the same time and it's it's expensive but this is the kinds of things that we were
00:01:48.180 being forced into doing before bill c10 came along and before this guy who looks like hans gruber from
00:01:55.840 diehard i mean he's perfect like he does literally look like hans gruber and there's even pictures of
00:02:03.460 him in uh orange jumpsuits and stuff like i mean it's it's perfect so um so anyway that's that's who i
00:02:10.120 am i just uh i'm a content creator a commentator i'm a former federal candidate for parliament got a
00:02:17.040 big 2.1 of the vote um and i just i'm a concerned citizen i got kids and i'm worried about the future
00:02:23.600 yeah so i think that's a great way to jump into it like bill c10 i think that's that's kind of what
00:02:27.980 everyone wants to talk about right now it's a big thing i'm impressed that some of the mainstream
00:02:31.020 media is even covering it um and it's also like the greatest thing like nordvpn you want a vpn like
00:02:35.580 you know you want to get around canada's new censorship laws if this passed like vpns you can pretend to
00:02:39.840 be in america or australia or if you want just if you want to get lithuanian netflix i mean who doesn't
00:02:44.200 want lithuanian netflix you know you'll need a vpn um okay so nordvpn blah blah link in the
00:02:49.000 description helps us out okay ad done um but for bill c10 like hypothetically you and i as like
00:02:57.500 content creators who are canadian who cover canadian subjects are supposed to benefit from this uh
00:03:03.220 because you know it puts um you know youtube under the the guise of the crtc the canadian broadcasting
00:03:08.960 standards and they love you know hypothetically promoting canadian content um but i think it
00:03:14.740 doesn't take more than 10 seconds to realize that you know what i don't think frank and i are going
00:03:19.540 to be uh too too beloved by the crtc i could see our content being labeled un canadian or or not fit
00:03:26.160 for canadian or doesn't purport to canadian values or there's a million different things that a
00:03:30.720 bureaucrat could get us on so was there like was there ever a point where you you looked at build c10
00:03:34.960 like oh and maybe they'll promote me in the youtube algorithm or was it always like i don't trust this
00:03:39.960 no i no there's no way i'm going to benefit from that um you already have algorithmic censorship
00:03:46.780 to begin with it's censoring of words uh certain individuals certain pages like what i have the
00:03:52.740 warning on my youtube channel and the blacklisting of my facebook page like the rules that i'm under
00:03:57.400 right now is uh if i post content to facebook they will not show it in your feed they will not
00:04:05.140 uh they won't even show it to your your page likes there's a reduced algorithm they won't show it to
00:04:11.240 new people like we're already dealing with that so when it comes to bill c10 i mean it's a logical
00:04:16.900 extension of what's happening in the country right now you you have rules on where you can travel and
00:04:21.080 where you can't travel you have rules on what you can and can't buy and where you can and can't buy it
00:04:24.860 you have rules in certain places on when you can be out on the street or not um you you have i mean
00:04:31.920 it's it's a none of these are logically based is the other problem here it's because it's not like
00:04:36.040 you can understand like okay frank they're trying to keep you safe right it's like well no one can go
00:04:42.220 to the small businesses you have to go to walmart okay people are mad to go walmart okay you can't
00:04:45.360 buy pans at walmart but you can buy uh tinfoil like it's nonsense things and it's like well if we're
00:04:50.180 trying to stop covid and we're going by the if we're different devout fauciites you know if we if we're a
00:04:54.600 true believers in the in the religion of fauciism or tamism you know the canadian variant they would
00:04:59.140 say okay you know if you're inside the closer you are packed together the worse so why would you
00:05:02.920 cordon off different parts of the store to to sort of force everyone to be even closer like it makes
00:05:08.140 the 10 seconds it makes the most frustrating thing about bill like c10 is i bet when it if it does get
00:05:14.900 passed and it does get implemented those who are negatively affected the government is going to say
00:05:18.880 well we don't promote hateful content or we don't promote whatever and you're going to have tons of
00:05:22.740 people just go along with it and say well i guess they must have done something wrong where people
00:05:26.800 tend to have a bias where if there's a law for something and you violated it no one's going to
00:05:31.220 investigate if the law was good or not they're just going to say well you violated the law ergo
00:05:35.060 you you deserve the fine or you deserve to get throttled it's it's the same thing with covid where
00:05:39.760 people will get mask uh mask fines when it doesn't even make any sense but people will like 0.83
00:05:44.840 like a bunch of uh hyenas or vultures show up and just start like applauding along with whatever the
00:05:50.800 government's doing and saying how much of a bad person you are and like a game clout off of almost
00:05:54.480 like backing up the government yeah i i think people are complacent in this country we have a
00:06:00.420 we have a plague of complacency i remember growing up in the uh i was really young in the 80s but my
00:06:04.760 i came into my youth in the 90s and i remember everybody saying canadians are polite we're tolerant
00:06:09.760 we're all these different things and that's backfiring now because people they want to believe in
00:06:14.960 something even if deep down inside they know it's not true it's a psychological tick and it's it's it's
00:06:19.860 probably the worst in the world right here in canada so when it comes to this stuff uh when
00:06:25.380 you call covid lockdowns or mask mandates when you can point to a place like florida or you can point
00:06:30.360 to texas and you can say they have a 30 to 35 vaccination rate they're wide open and i saw a video
00:06:36.680 of ufc whatever 267 i watched this just this clip of somebody walking into the ring and the crowds going
00:06:43.720 wild whatever i almost cried because i'm like we don't see videos like that anymore crowds don't gather
00:06:49.660 together people don't live they don't do the things they're supposed to be doing and texas and florida
00:06:54.340 exist and they prove by existing that we're doing something wrong and that's it that's all you really
00:06:59.620 need but people want to believe in something yeah it's weird because i i like and it's like and there's
00:07:06.500 almost nothing you can do to like show that that the damn breaks because like you know i i i you know 0.72
00:07:11.300 being jewish we have the friday night dinners but we've done it over zoom so the the extended family 0.98
00:07:15.320 meets over zoom you know every friday night so i get you know i'm i'm by far the most conservative
00:07:20.020 one in this entire thing it's me versus 20 people like i i said you know the capital riots are bad
00:07:25.580 on january 6th but also burning down or portland is also bad we need to say both are bad and politics
00:07:30.500 was banned after that because i'm basically donald trump so this is like where my family's politics
00:07:34.080 are but you see these things when they texas and florida took these mask mandates off and i was
00:07:39.000 listening to them and like i was kind of like you know i've been banned from talking okay whatever i'll
00:07:42.640 respect it you know play the piece and then just talking oh i can't believe texas did this like
00:07:46.440 it's coming in two weeks we're gonna see the numbers i'm like well remember when you said
00:07:50.000 that about florida uh you know in february and then it didn't come and then it's and i'm like
00:07:54.140 it's been two weeks and texas it's not coming well it's just the vaccination rates it shows you
00:07:59.320 that it's totally the vaccination rates and you know what we're doing it's like well yes you know
00:08:04.020 vaccination rates and covid will have something to do with it but it's it's not like israel which is out
00:08:08.340 like 70 whatever percent it's at 30 and they're opening up and they're outside like maybe the
00:08:12.520 outside is good like maybe this virus was designed in a lab inside in china by chinese people by the 1.00
00:08:18.600 china all right then you have it it's inside so it doesn't spread well outside so it needs people 1.00
00:08:24.060 indoors and then pumping people full of fear porn reduces their immune system with high stress so
00:08:28.680 if i'm the coronavirus and i'm just fighting around i want to see someone stressed out watching
00:08:33.200 cnn inside for 12 hours straight like that's that's my target like that's got to be the best person
00:08:38.520 to infect and in florida and texas where they're just like screw it freedom uh you kind of see
00:08:43.040 that might explain why the numbers have gone down after they took the mask mandates and said everyone
00:08:47.280 yeah go outside live your lives like turn off brian stelter yeah and we're not talking about again you
00:08:53.780 have to you have to kind of get back to reality we're not talking about a high fatality people dying
00:08:59.060 in the streets type of event we're talking about a respiratory infection targets the vulnerable uh 90
00:09:04.560 percent of the the people who have died in ontario where they they're died in long-term care facilities
00:09:09.380 it's around 90 percent i'm you know give or take five percent um there's complications there's
00:09:14.300 comorbidities uh there's all these different things that come into play but the big killers i mean by far
00:09:20.340 a bigger killer is medical malpractice another bigger killer is heart disease diabetes we have all of
00:09:25.660 these things there's two examples that i'll highlight right now one is a person i talked to today who's very
00:09:30.620 close in my family talking about their grandkids who used to play sports all the time they would
00:09:35.300 bound up and down the stairs and like they you know just very energetic kids who now sit in front of the
00:09:40.760 tv and they just play video games and they slug up the stairs like an old person because they're just 0.56
00:09:44.800 that out of shape and they're out of their social elements the other story was from somebody that i
00:09:49.360 would literally leave my kid with this person i trust to that extent there's not too many people in
00:09:53.760 the world that i trust that way has a co-worker uh co-workers brothers back in india this is a
00:09:59.000 this is a new canadian co-worker's brother was back in india uh got uh one of the vaccines i can't
00:10:05.660 remember which one and died the co-worker then goes into work and just got vaccinated the exact same
00:10:12.360 vaccine got diarrhea so bad all over the place tried to clean it up like put her cleaned herself up 0.63
00:10:21.640 rinsed off her pants put a garbage bag on and then tried to go back to work and it's like we are racing
00:10:28.120 around creating consequences and complications all over the place and what's it all for it's for a
00:10:36.100 respiratory infection now i talked about this back in december and january and february and march of
00:10:41.300 last year well 2019 and 2020 and i more or less stopped talking about it in april may like i sort of
00:10:47.560 tailed off because the government script was starting to flip we didn't know what it was going to be but
00:10:52.000 we're a year into this thing now and there's no end in sight and people are really starting to
00:10:57.580 suffer and that that's in addition to all the emails i say this all the time and i don't know
00:11:00.760 if people believe me but i get emails and i get messages from people all over the place who talk
00:11:04.120 about dead relatives sicknesses that they've had health care they can't get for themselves and their
00:11:08.900 kids and for what we've broken our systems we've broken our health care system we can't get it
00:11:14.300 well i think i think so i think a good point that randy hillier made recently at one of like the
00:11:19.560 rallies i was sort of just watching online is that he said that what we've set was sort of engaged with
00:11:23.840 i think this was a very reasonable way of putting it is essentially social murder through just our way
00:11:28.860 of just not caring about people's well-being because we're so focused hyper focused on this one
00:11:34.200 virus and the thing is it can it's it is is it dangerous for some people yes it's highly dangerous for
00:11:39.240 some people but because we think it's the only thing in the world we're actually essentially
00:11:42.920 killing people or ruining their lives out of just sort of like this psychotic need to only talk
00:11:48.180 about one issue yeah it's it's a very human in sense it's like it's new and it's kind of acute
00:11:52.480 so you know if we got like heart disease that's like 50 to 60 year problem that people like covid
00:11:59.340 is a bit more of an acute thing it's also new so we kind of gone around we've grown up with
00:12:04.160 tuberculosis right and you know tuberculosis and covid deaths i think are about equal um since then i
00:12:09.520 think you know both respiratory disease but we're not shutting down for tuberculosis
00:12:12.780 and if you talk to any doctor like you know i have a lot of them in the family like you know
00:12:17.260 what they will say is like this isn't going away it's a respiratory illness like we're gonna have
00:12:20.460 to learn to live with covid going forward like like we kind of did it's sort of a variant of the
00:12:24.760 common cold like that's why we have you know covid 19 that's why it's not covid one right it's 19 not
00:12:29.620 one um so we're just gonna have to learn to live with this and you know what you brought up the point
00:12:36.360 like you can lock down the medical system for two weeks to a month maybe and you can get me on the
00:12:41.480 first month of covid we don't know it's a pandemic things are scary wear gloves wear a mask okay you
00:12:47.320 get a month of that but then we learn that okay take the gloves off it doesn't stick on surfaces all
00:12:52.060 right you know what's the mask effectiveness hey point whatever percent and not much you know go
00:12:57.380 outside with them at like but the problem is the there's no i mean the the religion of it's it's
00:13:02.700 there's no scientific method being applied it's the religion of science where it's like you know
00:13:06.720 the scientists do declare like we have you know it's not it's sometimes not even an epidemiologist
00:13:11.200 it's like you know a you know an uh you know an ecologist who specializes in like you know the
00:13:17.200 amazon rainforest telling us well i think that covid so but a scientist said like this this is never how
00:13:21.900 it went but you have this thing we're like we're never getting rid of covid right it's here to stay
00:13:26.180 it's a respiratory illness like the flu like tuberculosis like you know like the cold like it's a
00:13:30.880 disease it's here we're gonna have to learn to get it and if we're gonna decrease the medical
00:13:34.660 capacity of system like this is why you can't lock down for more than a month because you're bringing
00:13:38.140 the capacity of the medical system like again my mom was dealing with this thing like i was
00:13:41.580 talking to her and she you know she's not where our politics are but i'm hearing a story of her 0.99
00:13:45.320 telling how stupid the new lockdowns are like there was some guy with like a shunt in his brain so 1.00
00:13:49.740 like a paraplegic like in a wheelchair has a thing in his brain it's malfunctioning like the thing 1.00
00:13:54.400 implanted his brain is malfunctioning and it's giving him severe headaches and he needs to go to
00:13:57.440 hospital and he's like freaking in a wheelchair but like they can't bring him to the hospital where
00:14:02.100 he's been like an outpatient for months because it's not in the regulations that like they can't 0.99
00:14:05.640 bring anyone new in because covid deaths and it's like how stupid is this the guy's having a freaking 0.98
00:14:10.420 the device inside his brain's malfunctioning and he's in a wheelchair just bring him into the hospital 0.97
00:14:14.460 but because of the regulations they couldn't and then like it took him a week to realize just how 0.69
00:14:18.420 stupid that was and then they let but like this when you decrease the capacity of the medical system 0.70
00:14:22.660 how many people die when you reduce the capacity of your own medical system and if you do that for an entire 0.99
00:14:27.020 year that's going to kill more people and nobody's tracking that statistic there's no statistic on
00:14:34.000 site on on on the on the knock-on deaths and the knock-on effects to the health care system i saw an
00:14:39.360 article and this is this is probably six weeks old now maybe seven weeks old but it was about one
00:14:45.140 hospital in windsor and it was about how they were 3 000 elective surgeries behind now i've got a
00:14:51.080 document sitting on my desktop that i've been meaning to do something with and it's um i think the title
00:14:56.000 of its hallway healthcare and it was published by the ford government in 2019 and it talked about
00:15:00.200 how broken and overcapacity the icus already were before covid19 showed up so they've actually reduced
00:15:07.260 overall icu uh usage because of covid19 but they already recognized the system was completely broken
00:15:15.320 so when they showed up and they shut it down and they've created all these backlogs and they kicked all
00:15:19.760 the elective people out then they tried to bring them back in then they kicked them out again i mean
00:15:24.780 administrators have got to go and try and sort that out and like i'm in a weird position right
00:15:29.340 now because i've been lately defending the canada revenue agency of all agencies saying that they've
00:15:36.020 literally just been dumped on by the politicians they're running around with their like chickens
00:15:40.080 with their heads cut off the politicians came up with these ideas and they said you guys implement
00:15:44.380 it the politicians come up with these lockdowns and these ideas for restrictions from the hospitals and
00:15:48.660 then they say to the worker you go deal with that you administrators sort out how you're going to do it
00:15:53.020 we're just going to stand here in virtue signal and nobody's tracking how broken the thing is and my
00:15:57.560 concern is is that as we move forward through time just like the price of lumber is going up just like
00:16:02.300 the price of used cars is going up and all these other inflationary indicators are showing and flashing
00:16:07.460 that all the money printing is going to have an effect oh yeah i mean it's going to start happening
00:16:11.380 oh it's like hyperinflation is coming like this is you know you got you got you got the government
00:16:17.140 printing money like we're printing we're every every dollar from serb handed out was just printed
00:16:21.640 but we just printed money you know it's it's it's it's you know welcome to what the why my republic
00:16:27.140 2.0 you know yeah yeah the the the racial tension and and and it doesn't make me feel too comfortable
00:16:32.000 with the situation but i think we've we've hit on an intersection where there's like a lot of things
00:16:35.980 going to intersect with things i want to talk to you about um it is ridiculous that it is up to
00:16:40.920 people like me and you to sort of track these things like it is it is part of a broken society that
00:16:45.680 there isn't a more mainstream political movement it's up to like you know the the the you know
00:16:51.300 the youtubers on the internet to say like okay here's some serious things like one of the reasons
00:16:55.940 why covid is is so maddening to a lot of people is because the people who are taking it seriously
00:17:01.360 aren't taking it that seriously to do like the right scientific thing like you know okay here's the
00:17:06.880 things in the icu okay how many people are going to lose from decreasing like you know we need to make
00:17:11.160 tough choices and and i understand why politicians can't be open to the public about making tough
00:17:15.820 choices like even though it's their job but you got to imagine there's got to be some doctors who'd be
00:17:20.180 like you know guys like i'm not a covid denier you know wear a mask whatever but you know you know a
00:17:26.060 covid deaths b deaths by trying to prevent covid deaths you know you're dealing with the scale uh what
00:17:31.580 do we get into and it's it's an essential thing of like okay why is there no political movement or
00:17:36.280 medical movement and the answer is most people are cowards um uh covering this like it's it's it's it's
00:17:41.080 strange that it falls to people like us to bring this up um and it's because it's people and it's
00:17:46.560 because it's people like us who have to bring it up where you're not massively you don't have your
00:17:50.760 own tv show you're not part of the government so if you bring it up it's just like oh it's just some
00:17:55.540 irrelevant person so it almost it almost has almost a reverse effect because everyone can act like you
00:18:00.680 just don't know what you're talking about look at no one else will challenge it just these random
00:18:03.900 small people well and and the people who are challenging it that actually have the credentials like
00:18:09.460 i had to have today was an interesting day because i had to have several difficult conversations in my
00:18:14.340 personal life and in amongst those conversations were people who are convinced because they got
00:18:19.900 handed a pamphlet by the government that they know what's going on and i said look i know you don't trust
00:18:24.680 me i got long hair i ran for the ppc you probably think i'm just some dirtbag redneck and i understand
00:18:31.240 that okay i'll give it to you but i can give you my own personal acquaintances i can give you mds i can
00:18:36.900 give you phds i can give you nurses i can give you whatever you want that will offer you a different
00:18:42.200 point of view i can give you their work and in some cases i can connect you directly what do you
00:18:47.080 want i'll help you find the alternative view don't even get a response now that alternative viewpoint the
00:18:53.880 um i'm gonna massacre her name but uh car k-a-u-r is one person that comes to mind there's a there's
00:19:01.360 doctors in bc there's there's mds there's there's there's so many people but if they don't toe the
00:19:07.700 line they don't get media coverage they don't get oma ontario medical association coverage they don't
00:19:13.600 get representation by the government there's only and that's that's so dangerous and it it links into
00:19:18.960 c10 but before c10 existed there's a unity of messaging and if you deviate you're ostracized they
00:19:26.540 threaten your career they threaten to destroy you and so it is left to guys like us to try and bring
00:19:31.240 it out but then we have people looking at us going well you're just a long-haired freak why would i
00:19:35.020 i'm just some kid in front of a map with your world map you pretentious you pretentious yeah and i'm 0.95
00:19:41.540 just and i'm just um i'm just some terrible pornographer
00:19:44.540 i should explain i should explain that for people yeah i should explain that for people
00:19:53.660 facebook's actually i don't think the stream's even up on uh why it goes every week guys calm
00:20:00.140 down pump the brakes don't worry but anyway but anyways but yeah like so i this is the stream's not
00:20:04.720 even on facebook in any way because it's banned me from posting to facebook in any way like for the
00:20:09.120 streams because we posted the photo which has no nudity in it of the mp from quebec uh amos who
00:20:16.800 forgot to put on clothes when he's on a zoom call for parliament or he was changing in the middle of
00:20:20.640 it didn't realize the camera was on like brian lily who's a milquetoast conservative posted that photo
00:20:27.100 and i'm being like slapped for sexual content because of that but again even then if we bring out
00:20:32.880 something with covid you're like yo you're guys you guys are the ones who almost got banned off of
00:20:36.700 facebook so you must be doing something wrong so i'm going to i'm going to pose another theory on
00:20:41.820 on why this goes and not so much from the establishment from this is my society level
00:20:45.200 theory and listen if you if you swipe right on me in a dating app you're going to hear about
00:20:49.920 recycling or windmills or something and i do hate these things um i think like i i say and it's somewhat
00:20:55.200 sarcastically and you know i don't go off this you know i rant on this a couple times a year because
00:20:59.340 it doesn't bring a lot of things but windmills and industrial recycling are what i think is like the
00:21:04.620 biggest problem in society in the sense that these things actually don't work so like it's the green
00:21:08.780 energy thing green energy in ontario actually increased emissions and increased prices but
00:21:14.060 my problem with green energy and recycling which is bad for the environment is it makes people feel
00:21:18.920 good so the problem with green energy is there's a real problem just like your blue bag that blue
00:21:23.860 recycling bag you feel real good you feel good so this is like this is the problem is you know there
00:21:29.340 are real environmental issues and environmental catastrophes ecosystems are being depleted
00:21:34.120 we got to do something about the oceans and fisheries and and toxic ph levels all of that okay
00:21:39.200 but the problem is it's all turned into one term it's all called global warming all of it is can
00:21:43.820 be cured with uh one statistic it's a univariate analysis it's the most complicated thing in the
00:21:47.760 world no one can understand but it's a univariate analysis just carbon emission it's purely carbon
00:21:51.400 that determines global warming and that's everything but we have this thing the environment where we just
00:21:56.000 want to feel good so our priority of feeling good actually stops us from doing good and when you try
00:22:00.760 and bring these issues up people don't want to hear it because people want a little endorphin release
00:22:05.840 of i'm a good person whenever you put the the pop can in in the blue thing instead of the gray thing
00:22:11.420 and you want to feel like you've done something it's i kind of see this with covid where we want to feel
00:22:16.980 like we're saving lives but we don't actually want to then have to make hard choices and really think
00:22:21.720 about it and and you know you know deaths in category a versus category b right we just want
00:22:26.480 to feel like there's a solution we want to feel like if i go to my mask if i'm wearing my mask outside
00:22:30.840 i feel like i'm doing something and i think that doesn't i think people don't want that threatened i
00:22:35.860 think people want to feel like they're helping well and it's it's incredibly superficial all of those
00:22:41.280 things that you mentioned are superficial ways of feeling good so like if you watch the typical public
00:22:46.160 using their masks they're reusing the same mask over and over again they're handling it like any
00:22:51.800 any potential good because there is no out of the pocket straight out of the pocket right here
00:22:55.260 straight out of the pocket i mean i do it too i'm just complying at this point i'm not that concerned
00:22:59.180 about it but if i want to go and do business with costco or something instead of arguing with the
00:23:03.500 person at the door and live streaming it i'm just i need their product i need like yeah i'm not
00:23:08.620 going there and i'm going to get i'm not being that guy that's like picking a fight everywhere on the
00:23:12.240 thing but like i watch these these solar panels i got beside my place there's these solar panels so
00:23:16.880 they come in they pour the concrete they put all this energy into it they erect the panel you got
00:23:20.840 to manufacture the panel it has a fixed lifestyle uh life cycle it gets thrown in the landfill there's
00:23:26.040 no recycling facilities available even though you can recycle them in theory and every two weeks there's
00:23:30.620 somebody in that field fixing them because they get all screwed up so like the sun's over here and
00:23:36.040 the solar panel's facing the wrong way it's fun you can just sit here and drink beer and watch them
00:23:40.140 chase the sun all over the sky and completely miss it and like there's no way there's no way that's
00:23:45.700 more effective than just straight nuclear or straight coal or or any of these other options
00:23:51.000 the funny thing is the only thing propping up coal these days is the green energy and
00:23:54.700 there was a planet of the humans the michael moore sponsored documentary the alternative title was
00:23:59.240 everything daniel said about green energy was right over the last 10 years why didn't we listen to him
00:24:02.440 but that was a bit too long so they changed it to planet of the humans um but the thing is that you
00:24:06.780 learned that the only thing propping up the coal industry right now is you need coal to build these
00:24:10.240 solar panels and the windmills it's like that's like the prime use of coal because coal's inefficient
00:24:15.280 like coal is beaten out by oil like the great thing about oil is we discovered oil it's so much more
00:24:19.840 efficient than coal right efficiency is the amount of the carbon you burn gets turned into energy you
00:24:24.860 know oil is much better than coal and then we found natural gas which is you know natural gas is to
00:24:29.340 oil what oil is to coal no one would ever use coal again if we were allowed to use natural gas it just
00:24:33.580 doesn't make sense you know it's way less efficient you get more like if if you're a greedy capitalist
00:24:38.400 you'd want natural gas if you're a hippie environmentalist you want natural gas but the
00:24:42.120 only way we prop up coal at this point is because you need coal to build the windmills and the solar
00:24:46.600 farms and yeah maybe there's some west virginian lobbying and pennsylvania lobbying to keep certain
00:24:50.960 things open and and whatever like you know i'm not i'm not here to shut down the coal plants i'm saying
00:24:55.300 you want to shut down the coal plants what i've always said is stop with all the crazy regulations
00:24:59.120 and natural gas and then we'll stop you know and put some regulations on natural gas like
00:25:03.320 not no but like say yeah same thing with the oil industry you you you want to mine resources from
00:25:08.280 an area you got to leave it the way you found it or better like that's you know i'm fine with that
00:25:13.020 especially especially on the technology like trying to get people to use more efficient technologies
00:25:18.120 they're basically taking an approach to even put in like simpler terms like you can't you can't buy
00:25:23.580 any you can either have a t-bird or you can have a tesla you can't buy any car in between those
00:25:28.340 things the t-bird almost costs nothing and the tesla is going to be like a fortune for you to
00:25:32.940 purchase so no one's ever actually buying anything more efficient they're just staying with their old
00:25:37.380 beater cars that are far more less uh safer the environment like far like worse for the environment
00:25:43.000 uh or they're telling you that you have to essentially take out a loan to buy a new vehicle it's
00:25:47.840 like why cars were actually less safe or the roads were less safe in the 70s is because all the safety
00:25:52.800 regulations kept people driving worse cars yeah and it's it's interesting too because of the the
00:25:59.200 studies that talk about the carbon footprint of the electric vehicle industry like measuring pollution
00:26:04.520 in terms of carbon you're never going to win on that measure because everything produces carbon and
00:26:09.600 in a sense in in essence existence on earth in in a in a way we have to we i can't say it's carbon
00:26:17.820 neutral and i can't come up with the term that i'm looking for right now but you're going to
00:26:21.000 produce it no matter what you do uh and and the the environmental impact of trying to put all your
00:26:27.320 eggs in one basket like tesla's basket i mean elon musk is laughing he's going to have a good time
00:26:32.600 and some of these because he's he said something i think he might have said something like you know
00:26:38.120 i think you know men and women are different or so he took some highly innocuous positions on reality
00:26:43.260 how dare he talk biology you know i think i think i think elon musk like endorsed reality a few times
00:26:49.580 over the last couple years and like now he's like basically part of the alt right um which is
00:26:53.400 another one he likes he likes bitcoin too right yeah i like bitcoin too oh okay i was gonna say
00:26:58.180 this this is my this is my line when you talk about carbon like this is what i like to say to
00:27:01.340 people like who talk about like the co2 emissions this is the number one thing it's the existential
00:27:04.800 threat climate change can kill us all like i can't have kids because i hate that by the way the
00:27:08.840 the the the human anti-human thing but i honestly the way the way you break through this i found is
00:27:14.380 this will work on any left-wing person's like okay if reducing carbon emissions is uh the only thing we need to do okay
00:27:18.780 fine um what we need to do is you know the january 6th riots those are terrible yeah what we need to
00:27:23.580 do if that's another thing is we need to throw riots globally and install donald trump as king of the
00:27:27.040 world because the only country to reduce carbon emissions to the paris accord standards from 2016
00:27:31.860 to 2020 the united states of america don't talk facts stop so trump does not do good things no for
00:27:39.840 talking about reducing carbon emissions is how we save the planet then we need to install trump as king
00:27:44.240 of the world to save the planet right i heard this stupid excuse for why the u.s was able to reduce 0.95
00:27:50.940 emissions they said well no that was california that was new york that was like vermont it was 0.92
00:27:56.620 was washington state like they never changed their policy when trump came in if anything they started
00:28:01.420 just doing their policies more so it's like well what did they hit the crossover point where they
00:28:05.740 stopped increasing emissions and they suddenly started decreasing them that doesn't make that doesn't
00:28:09.340 like wash but those people do have in their minds that trump can't be connected to a good thing
00:28:13.960 so ergo it's bad yeah also where does electricity come from is it like the electricity fairy or
00:28:21.460 something else um well and there's so there's there's three things there and these are really
00:28:26.400 important number one alan savery if you guys don't know his name or your audience doesn't know
00:28:29.980 his name there's a 20 minute ted talk by a guy named alan savery he produced a theory in the 1970s
00:28:34.960 that said that the elephants were desertifying africa so they had to go in and they got to kill
00:28:38.840 elephants so they killed like 45 000 elephants and discovered that desertification increased so
00:28:43.920 there's an attack on meat right now and there's an attack on herds and there's an attack on animals
00:28:47.620 but this guy is there to tell you that putting animals back on the land actually greens the world
00:28:53.520 that's that's number one um that and i think people like when you talk about when you talk to the
00:28:59.420 left about the environment they're really bad they're they're so down on meat and it's actually herds
00:29:05.380 that need to go back on the land um and uh i'll be completely honest i forgot the other two points
00:29:12.560 there's just so many things in this conversation that just swim around in my head we're just swinging
00:29:16.700 around the environmental stuff like i want to let's let's sort of back to the left and the meat and
00:29:20.820 this is this is okay this is one thing that i do despise about the modern left and the environmentalist
00:29:25.600 movement the anti-human element to it and and the nihilistic elements to the modern left that i find so
00:29:30.600 dangerous and like i just can't take you seriously in any sort of long-term like like you can't like
00:29:36.500 the one good thing about covid is it like all of a sudden like went from like everything used to be
00:29:40.480 aborted like humans are killing the earth to like every single life is precious like a 97 year old
00:29:45.100 grandmother needs to live to 98 and she doesn't like like on a freaking dime like it went from like 1.00
00:29:49.680 you know what i believe in abortions up to the age of 10 to like every life is precious uh no matter
00:29:54.760 what and that was kind of nice but you know it's not going to last but one the thing i find
00:29:59.980 infuriating and you know sometimes i like bill maher and he does stuff and but sometimes he's like you
00:30:06.220 know there's just too many people and there's like too many people and it's like the overpopulation
00:30:10.840 and there's too many humans and can you like we're rooted i hate this it's ascientific you know
00:30:16.280 malthusian you know uh theory was debunked a bunch of times um there's this great thing because like i
00:30:22.320 always say like most people watched in the avengers infinity war and endgame and i said like
00:30:26.700 the best avenger in this movie would have been uh you know milton freeman who could have just gone
00:30:30.860 up to thanos and explained to him why his plan was flawed and had milton freeman been there they 0.99
00:30:34.340 wouldn't need to punch anyone they're just like oh listen okay productivity and thanos plan was stupid 0.69
00:30:38.500 because it doesn't population caps and carrying capacity and like sorry i took 11th grade biology but 0.78
00:30:43.780 um like we have this thing where it's like i find it very disturbing that thanos was a sympathetic
00:30:50.120 villain because like his plan kind of made sense and how many times do we see this narrative played
00:30:54.740 over it i i noticed so much in pop culture that oh the villain you know yes he wanted to murder
00:30:59.780 millions but it was to save trillions like what that's not even true it's not even true can we
00:31:04.720 can we not debunk this thing finally it's been debunked a bunch of times there's this great like
00:31:09.300 economic freedom form they did a breakdown of thanos's plan and and proved it quite well but
00:31:14.160 yeah i find the people all these all these people who are like sort of on the further left or far
00:31:21.820 left who sort of come up with who have this rhetoric or are filled with this rhetoric they'll also be
00:31:26.260 the people who are completely confused on how like the soviet union or mao's china can sort of crop up
00:31:31.800 and i'm not saying that their politics are exactly the same but you'll get these people who have an
00:31:35.780 incredibly anti-human perspective they were like well no people have to die if we want to achieve
00:31:41.240 slightly lower carbon emissions and it's like now you don't any but you don't understand how people
00:31:46.300 can maneuver themselves into the position where they're like you're you're an ideological trader
00:31:50.700 who needs to die these people care about human life so much it's like it's not that big a step from
00:31:56.260 going for you need to die for the climate for earth safety for our society can't handle your hate 0.98
00:32:01.780 speech so you need to go well and and we we talk about carbon and we talk about people but how much 0.92
00:32:08.760 of the earth's problems are just simply down to mismanagement like when we we always talk about
00:32:14.980 or i should say we our great glorious leader mr hairdryu talks about single-use plastics this was a
00:32:21.560 big thing and everybody applauded and they thought oh my god he's so great so there's this there's yeah
00:32:26.660 golf clap yeah or actually uh we don't we got to do this because we don't want to be offensive
00:32:31.900 let me get my water bottle type sort of thing and nice nice so anyway these there's there's a film
00:32:38.260 out there and i i can never remember the name it's like seascape or see something or whatever but this
00:32:42.060 guy goes out to the pacific garbage patch and he's he's out there specifically to prove that single-use
00:32:46.560 plastics in this context are destroying the oceans and what he finds is that 49 of the waste out there is
00:32:52.340 these fishing nets as the chinese are going along it's chinese fishing nets it's not like people are like 1.00
00:32:57.080 oh you talk about china you're racist now let's get real we're talking about 1.5 billion people
00:33:02.380 and the communist party of china and their practices in every part of the planet so they're they're
00:33:07.620 taking these fishing nets and they're literally trawling the bottom of the ocean and they're
00:33:11.120 ripping up all the coral now coral's a big carbon sink once you rip up all the coral it's very hard
00:33:15.740 to replenish like these are real problems the riverways are polluted plastic pollution's off the chart
00:33:21.080 not you know the canada has its share of plastic pollution but it's like there's all these things
00:33:27.520 and they're not going away in the age of covid19 i used to i used to talk about my farm produce because
00:33:33.400 i go to the farmer's market and i'd be the first guy there with like tomatoes or lettuce or whatever
00:33:37.600 and the government would show up this person would get out of a government-paid car it was always a
00:33:42.680 six-cylinder nice car they'd get out they'd have their lab coat on they'd pull out their nylon or um
00:33:48.380 their uh their gloves they're they're plastic latex thank you they're latex gloves they'd get
00:33:54.140 a styrofoam cooler out they'd pull out all these plastic bags and then they'd take samples of my
00:33:59.620 produce to test them for heavy metals which by the way they don't do to imports they just do it to
00:34:03.600 domestic products they put them in there and then they load it up in the car and they drive it away
00:34:07.960 send it to a lab test it there's all of this waste produced and it's the same with covid there's masks
00:34:13.860 all over my back road i live in the country there's masks in the ditch all over the place
00:34:18.020 and it's like so we're virtue signaling about the environment but we're doing absolutely nothing
00:34:23.080 to stop the cycle of degradation that's where the electric feeling good about the environment over
00:34:28.740 doing good for the environment and that's what that's what i learned it's the priority is we want
00:34:32.860 to feel like we're doing something over doing something because you know no one has the band like
00:34:38.080 very few people have the bandwidth for a hard conversation that challenges your priest like
00:34:42.480 your your ideology going into it like you know a lot of people just want that little endorphin
00:34:46.920 rush when you throw it in the blue thing instead of the gray one well here here's here's the thing
00:34:50.920 is like every single like corporation who's trying to signal how environmental they are and just it's
00:34:56.300 just sort of shows people's psychology is sort of messed up when it comes to environmental issues
00:34:59.680 people will see like like every corporation who's trying to signal that they're green you'll see their
00:35:04.280 website and they'll be like like they'll have plants all like in like in like jars or something
00:35:09.040 trying to look like green or whatever and they have these like nice white offices everything looks very
00:35:14.680 sterile so it looks very green i'm like you're looking at that and it's like you do you realize
00:35:18.760 that all those plastics that they're showing that around their office actually technically signal that
00:35:23.120 it's a high far higher carbon footprint to make that office space that they're trying to make look
00:35:28.460 very like natural and minimalistic like if it was a concrete building you'd be like oh that's that's
00:35:33.400 that looks bad i don't like looking at that and a lot of the times it's like i don't like the look
00:35:37.800 of like uh coal power plants like that that's kind of it's kind of thrown into the ideology of like
00:35:45.420 we want a clean environment and we want like clean and good right it's you know it's like it's it's it's
00:35:51.160 very basic human nature like oh white is light dark is bad like you know look up don't look down like
00:35:57.320 you know heaven's in the sky hell's but yeah yeah and it's the same thing with covid that we look
00:36:02.520 like we're sterile we're wearing masks even though technically we've all been reusing this i've reused
00:36:07.220 masks for sometimes like two weeks i'm less safe than if i just didn't wear one but we're all just
00:36:12.600 sort of like just in this weird instagram you'd be dead yeah we live in an instagram commercial or
00:36:19.120 everything's just supposed to look nice yeah yeah it's and it's uh it's it's an incredibly
00:36:26.740 superficial and you said we don't have the bandwidth for these difficult conversations and it
00:36:32.540 it really struck a chord with me because we're rare i mean you guys probably have the experience of
00:36:38.380 laying awake at night thinking about this stuff and you read books and you you choose to spend your
00:36:42.940 own time beating your head off this wall constantly i choose to make a living out of it yeah well yeah 0.62
00:36:48.320 yeah exactly and but most human beings aren't like that they they consume media and this has been my
00:36:55.080 challenge it's like i've created a lifetime of space for myself if people want to learn about the low
00:36:59.400 carbon lifestyle i'll teach you all about it you're not going to like it it involves a lot less
00:37:04.540 technology and a lot more sweat and a lot more blood and i've lived it and i like my creature comforts
00:37:10.400 and i like my technology but people have no idea what they're playing with or what they're asking
00:37:19.400 for at a fundamental level and they're not exactly willing or to invest the time to learn so it's like
00:37:26.280 15 minutes a day maybe of news consumption whereas you guys might be engaged in hours or in my situation
00:37:33.280 i've had i've probably had 15 years of increasing time freedom not financial freedom time freedom and that's how i've
00:37:39.400 measured my life and my success is like how much of my own time do i get to spend the ways that i want
00:37:44.320 to spend my time and money's important but time freedom is more important and i've created this
00:37:49.000 new set of chains which is it doesn't matter what i know it doesn't matter who i know it doesn't matter
00:37:53.720 how articulate i can put it out there i cannot reach back through time and pick the guy up that's only
00:37:59.520 spent 10 minutes a day at best thinking about this stuff and getting most of it from cnn or cbc
00:38:04.720 and pull him up here he wants it in a sound bite and i'm sure you encounter this too everybody wants
00:38:10.420 you to give it to them in two minutes and it's very difficult i will defend i mean anyone watching
00:38:17.820 this is the exception like you know i i've built an audience where it's like you know every wednesday
00:38:22.300 i do an hour a lot of people say i i understand not everyone has an hour they they want i do the
00:38:26.660 five minute videos as well but there is also people who when they do make the time will crave an hour
00:38:32.580 to two hours of something substantive where we i think everyone doesn't no one really likes the cnn
00:38:37.520 panel where you have you know you know like the c the ultimate cnn like the plane went missing the
00:38:42.380 malaysian plane went missing and we have a panel about it no one could just say the plane is gone
00:38:46.220 we have to have like different points of view the plane is gone no it vanished no it disappeared
00:38:51.180 no you're wrong it's off but like it was dumb right so no one likes that and you know people are
00:38:57.120 starting to you know joe rogan has a gigantic podcast that's three hours with someone um you know like
00:39:02.280 you know people like dave rubin came up you know jordan peterson became some mega star and he's
00:39:06.420 he's a university professor who who let you know did have these huge bible lectures so there is
00:39:12.040 there is an appetite for people who do crave substance and we do crave substance um to ourselves
00:39:17.560 and but there is there is this what i find it's not so much is the time it's it's there's there's again
00:39:22.320 of a bit of a dissonance here and where people want to believe that they want the truth presented
00:39:27.700 them in like pure numbers like they want to pretend like they're kind of on the spectrum
00:39:31.280 and like their news their ideal newsman they like daniel boardman or frank vaughan they've just they
00:39:35.760 they say they want me to come up there and be like on november 15th 9 15 a.m justin trudeau
00:39:41.400 turned 13 degrees to the left and said xyz this was then followed by an edit like they they think
00:39:47.300 they just want the facts but ultimately what people want is they want a bit of showmanship they want me
00:39:51.820 to present it in a way that will make them laugh or keep them entertained but they don't want to admit
00:39:55.960 that because you want to say that hey i'm i'm all about the facts and the news so here's another
00:40:01.620 sorry here's another l here's another element i i sort of see because i'm more on the writing end
00:40:06.160 so i'm not really much of a personality that people sort of uh follow that i find that these days so
00:40:12.400 many people and i hate when people just throw around the word truth all the time they'll just
00:40:16.280 use it as a buzzword as if i if i say i'm a truth seeker enough at some point it equals truth and
00:40:21.360 i find those people even if they're on the right or the left they share the worst uh most
00:40:25.660 bias confirming things ever but i i find so many people are demanding propaganda i'll have i'll
00:40:31.420 have loads of people if i write something that's slightly critical of erin o'toole people showing
00:40:36.080 up and saying well why don't you publish the truth like why are you letting trudeau win they are
00:40:40.600 demanding i just become conservative party propaganda or even from other sides like i'll
00:40:45.520 have people wondering why i'm not being ppc propaganda like why aren't you why didn't you
00:40:49.580 talk about maxine bernie like it was irrelevant to the article but they want me to be
00:40:53.400 like they want you to contort yourself into just what they want it's not everyone but i find that
00:40:58.920 people will people who want people want i think there's a lot of things like people want something
00:41:03.920 quick people want something like they want it delivered to them in like less than a minute
00:41:07.880 they want like you know 8 000 facts in less than a minute presented in a straight way like
00:41:12.060 what they want is unattainable but i do think what they ultimately do want is like i do try and bring
00:41:17.620 my background and stand-up comedy into some of these things and what i try and do is i try and take
00:41:21.720 serious issues and make them in a way that they're entertaining so people can sort of learn from
00:41:26.860 them and then have a way to you know you know then articulate that that that view to the next
00:41:33.500 person and down the line like i think that's where the value is in this is like you have to you have
00:41:38.320 to bring some sort of value to like you have to bring some sort of added value to the news you're
00:41:44.480 you're putting out there and it would be nice if we could just live in a you know purely
00:41:48.440 factual world but that isn't it so it is you know and this is why the internet is great because it
00:41:53.600 gives us the means to do it like i could never do this you know the 1990s and we could we could never
00:41:57.620 be anyone in the 1990s in this sphere um so that's great and this is again why bill c10 is terrifying but
00:42:02.420 i'll oh i want to ask you about this because this is one of the things i i most respect about you is
00:42:07.820 you know you did the principal thing of going cp uh ppc like i was the you know i i don't like
00:42:14.040 can't sure either but i'll you know i i'll vote cpc whatever but you went from you know principled
00:42:19.380 ppc or to one of the most principled critics of the ppc and you know that i i just want to like
00:42:26.220 you know what did like what did that do to you because you must have had a quite highly you know
00:42:30.820 like how much of your audience i kind of state was frank vaughn and how much of them was like no
00:42:34.520 no ppc for life and and what was that experience like sort of i think um well number one what you said
00:42:43.280 about banners why it's it's a problem on the left and right it's everywhere there's there's there's
00:42:48.980 this team sport type mentality and it leads into what you're talking about with the ppc when i signed
00:42:54.460 on to the ppc i signed on to a commitment that was made about a party a particular style of party
00:43:00.820 structure and where things were going to go and my commitment had an expiry date the cpc was lost
00:43:06.360 and it's been lost for some time and it's more lost now under erin o'toole than it's ever been
00:43:13.460 that guy's he's going to get destroyed in the next election so i thought it was a good wake-up call
00:43:19.560 i thought there was potential there for um i thought there was potential there for a real
00:43:26.280 people's party i mean if you're going to call it a people's party you got people in it right
00:43:29.260 but then uh after the fact i started and i waited i waited six months after the election before i even
00:43:35.740 opened my mouth publicly i kept everything private there's a lot of people out there who said to me
00:43:39.280 you should do everything private it's like i did i made the calls i had the meetings i talked to the
00:43:44.620 people i kept everything quiet and then it got to an inflection point where it's like you know what
00:43:49.280 i'm actually going to voice an hour's worth of my opinions on this in public because there's nothing
00:43:53.200 left to do there's no constitution there's no peoples in in the ppc if max bernier disappears
00:43:58.320 tomorrow morning the ppc just evaporates there's no mechanism to keep it going and these are
00:44:03.080 really important things and what it did was i'm blocked by half of the people who used to
00:44:09.640 religiously follow every word that i said and they wouldn't they can't intellectually bring it so
00:44:15.340 they insult me they call me a pedophile they say i'm a terrible father they come after me personally
00:44:20.580 and luckily i've been doing this long enough that none of that stuff matters to me it gets to me
00:44:25.040 sometimes but it's not like at the beginning where hairs would go gray and i would get horribly
00:44:30.440 depressed it's like people out there really hate me i'm so used to this so that's kind of what
00:44:35.880 happened but the there's a core of people who aren't i wouldn't say they don't they don't follow
00:44:42.920 me they like the work they like to engage with me privately and publicly and they stick with me and
00:44:49.720 they disagree with some things they agree with most things or whatever the case may be
00:44:53.480 but even the and this is this is something somebody told me a long time ago really smart guy
00:44:58.880 he said and i still think his number is a bit high but he said 60 percent of your audience frank
00:45:03.800 will always be people who hate your guts and i thought you're crazy man why would people watch 0.70
00:45:08.320 something they hate well i think it's true there's a lot of people who watch because i see that i see 0.53
00:45:13.460 the metrics on my website like when you when you're burning through terabytes of data when you put up
00:45:17.480 a video you do some calculations on the average download and you can figure out roughly how many views you have
00:45:22.420 and you can also have a counter as well a little flawed when ip addresses are shared and everything
00:45:26.760 else but you see it and it's like and or you see the engagement so you put out a tweet and you get
00:45:31.680 like four or five hundred people engaging with it but it only gets retweeted like 10 times and it's
00:45:35.400 like there's a lot of people who hate my guts but watch everything and listen to everything i say
00:45:39.600 so i mean that's that's kind of an interesting dynamic there and that's i mean yeah i mean i i get
00:45:45.180 yeah i i can like for myself like i follow linda sarsour on twitter and like people i disagree with like
00:45:51.180 but not everyone's like me who's like following everyone to make sure that their political echo
00:45:56.340 chamber you know you know doesn't solidify so they can be the best political commentator they can be
00:46:01.800 um that's more of like a professional choice like if i was still just doing stand-up comedy it'd be
00:46:05.880 like sports and like you know just a few people i liked in politics pop culture things yeah i you know
00:46:12.800 if i if i if i wasn't me right now i'd be freaking out right now about aaron rogers saying he wants to
00:46:16.780 leave the packers and this is like i would hijack this entire episode would be about me
00:46:20.800 rambling about aaron rogers how bad the why are you drafting a fullback in the third round or running
00:46:25.420 back in the second round and but i did my own video on that so we're just gonna we're gonna push that
00:46:29.180 out of my you know i'm gonna start to get a bit riled up there um you know namaste uh daniel
00:46:35.120 and i'd start i'd start steering the conversation around to um who the greatest uh the greatest of all
00:46:41.000 time is tom brady so yeah i i mean i respect that i mean i respect tom brady now i mean uh
00:46:46.900 yeah i i i'm i'm done with my brady hate and uh you know belichick you know he might be an evil demon 0.53
00:46:52.420 but like at least he understands football like one of the things that drives me crazy nfl is like how
00:46:56.140 the coaches who are supposed to millionaire geniuses can't figure out the most simple thing
00:46:59.660 that i could figure out right away like you know belichick got the new kickoff rule like right off the
00:47:03.680 bat like oh all like the implied time management skills it drives me crazy like every every every
00:47:09.240 every coach should consult with me before running a two-minute offense like everyone it just drives
00:47:15.040 me crazy how they don't get this like how aaron rogers gets it so i'm terrified when he leaves
00:47:19.100 because aaron rogers is brilliant and a beautiful man but uh i'm sure i'm sure if you publicly publish
00:47:24.260 your phone number in this live stream they'll get a hold of you yeah him and a lot more people
00:47:28.380 there's there's some people i'm kind of hiding from these days yeah no dude no dude yeah hi aaron
00:47:37.540 it's uh but yeah it's uh it's interesting what you learn as you go you go down this road and down
00:47:44.920 this journey and the things that people think you're capable of like masterminding some big
00:47:48.700 conspiracy to undermine like they'll tell you that you're irrelevant and then they'll say you're trying
00:47:53.040 to undermine max and you want leadership of the ppc and it's like you can tell them 100 times over
00:47:57.700 i don't want that i've explained what i want i've showed you what i want i've said what i want and
00:48:02.200 you're still implying that i'm being paid by trudeau being paid by the cpc doing all these
00:48:08.500 things and like i'm living my life i know who i am people during the last election exposed me as a
00:48:15.440 paid operative of the c of the conservative party but i was also exposed as a paid operative operative
00:48:20.380 of maxine bernier um so you know i i was making bank yeah last year and probably for trudeau too
00:48:29.580 max it's like it's like you're working for max and trudeau or you're working for sheer and trudeau
00:48:35.020 so i was just making bank little did people know that i was actually in the pocket of jagmeet
00:48:39.580 singh jagmeet was behind it all welcome to new calistan everyone saskatchewan is now calistan
00:48:48.280 the ndp has so much money they can afford to pay you that's for sure yeah no i think you're i think
00:48:53.980 you're hinting at something here the ndp went into debt buying me off yeah that's right and then you
00:49:00.480 sell the jack layton building just for you yeah then daniel proceeded to waste it all on scratch
00:49:06.020 off lottery tickets and he won and he got no money from it but no i think you're hinting at something
00:49:10.540 that people want in both in like especially your case frank that they want a good story for what's
00:49:15.880 happening when it's like often reality it's reality can sometimes be incredibly interesting but it's
00:49:21.680 interesting in a very boring way where you have to keep up with the details i know it's happening
00:49:25.940 like man people who think that can like american politics is like house of cards like you haven't
00:49:30.540 seen anything until you've looked at canadian politics but it's all boring details you have
00:49:34.680 to get past to be able to figure out what's happening but people just want to be able sum it
00:49:37.880 up in 10 10 words it's like frank's paid off by trudeau and he's like yeah it's fishing buddies
00:49:44.720 with jagmeet it's always just the most simplistic stuff ever like i don't like erin o'toole ergo
00:49:50.640 somehow i go down to trudeau's beach house every other week yeah so let's let i think here's an
00:49:56.660 interesting thing i think we could all talk about is like the deep state right and everyone talks
00:50:00.560 about it and to an extent like you know yeah the deep state or as everybody calls it the deep
00:50:04.640 province in canada like yeah there is something but what i find frustrating and i want your opinion
00:50:09.400 is like the amount of you know the people think this has been planned for 350 years by the rothschilds
00:50:16.340 or the rockefellers or the whoever and george soros and there's a puppet master like like i can tell
00:50:21.420 you how the deep state in canada kind of works and it's not genius puppeteering it's like they're a 1.00
00:50:25.640 bunch of idiots um like and and it's it's really simple it's just like dark money and dark money 1.00
00:50:31.360 apathy and stupid regulations like create a confluence and then you throw some critical race 1.00
00:50:36.180 theories and some you know some government bureaucrats with left-wing leanings and it's the deep state is 1.00
00:50:40.740 kind of mostly it's like entropy at this point um you know that's that's kind of what we're we're
00:50:44.680 dealing with but for you like what's it like like what what's your conception of like the the the evil
00:50:50.900 uh you know you know like how do you see let's say like the nefarious establishment the deep state or
00:50:57.960 whatever and you know the yeah how lisa wright just got kicked out that was hilarious because i i enjoyed
00:51:02.940 that but how do you conceptualize the deep province the deep province the deep state the deep canada the deep
00:51:10.500 so there's there's a lot of ways you can look at it and you have to sort of break it down
00:51:13.840 you can you can look at it at the international stage you can look at it as the united states as
00:51:17.920 an empire which it is uh an empire on the way but an empire you can look at canada um money old money
00:51:26.480 has a particular mindset and that mindset plays out in this plane in this human theater that we call
00:51:34.220 earth so they they do certain things it doesn't mean they're united in purpose necessarily
00:51:39.060 they in fight they fight amongst each other if you if you and that's kind of at the international
00:51:44.340 stage so if you want to talk about a 300 year course of events you can talk about a 300 year
00:51:49.220 course of natural consciousness and people chasing more and control and loaning leaders and playing
00:51:56.460 games because it's a natural human tendency to conspire if you go to canada i'm there you can talk
00:52:02.600 about that a little bit but there's also in canada the deep state or the deep province
00:52:06.340 is bureaucracy there's all of these interwoven bureaucracies and they exist quite apart from
00:52:14.120 your politicians so you cast your vote you send somebody to the hill for four years and that guy
00:52:17.600 spends four years or that girl spends four years trying to figure out how the hell to interact with 1.00
00:52:22.340 this arcane bureaucracy that's more or less there's a show actually a british show called um prime minister
00:52:28.840 or um prime minister it's a british show if you just search prime minister i think you mean yes
00:52:34.620 minister next that's it there's yes minister and then there's yes prime minister when he goes on to
00:52:38.920 become the prime minister but like that shows it like that that show does such a good job of
00:52:44.480 satirizing what i think it actually looks like in canada where everybody's just opposing everybody
00:52:49.540 else and trying to keep their bureaucratic or union or their established power base together
00:52:56.100 and when people talk about conspiracy theories or everything else is it not natural for central
00:53:03.080 bankers to get together and conspire as to how to keep the power to print money and redistribute wealth
00:53:10.000 outside of taxation that's natural human nature is it not natural for the teachers union to constantly
00:53:17.740 exert their wealth and power to promote the not just the the individual members in their interest but
00:53:24.000 the interest of the people who run the union it's sort of natural does the rcmp want to be disbanded
00:53:30.880 and federal policing be ended in canada they're probably going to oppose that very vociferously
00:53:36.340 because it's a natural things for humans to get together and conspire and do things
00:53:40.320 in self-interest right you know where people get it where where people get it wrong is that yeah that
00:53:47.840 the law of that stuff happens but people get it wrong and they they assume that these people are
00:53:51.820 skilled at what they do that a lot of the i would say the most powerful people that skill to what
00:53:57.780 they do and that the teachers union is then connected to the central bank who's connected
00:54:01.920 to rcp that they're all have mutual interests which is a lot of people yeah a lot of people just a lot
00:54:06.980 of groups or people just happen to be in the same car or have similar interests a lot of them are so
00:54:12.100 paranoid they do not cooperate well together like that's the thing is like if you ever meet like a 0.99
00:54:17.040 handful of canadian politicians the the through line with all of them or other bureaucrats or people who work
00:54:21.480 for like strategy firms is they're just paranoid people they don't want to talk to you they will
00:54:26.440 tell you nothing because they they think everyone else is going to knife them they're actually not a
00:54:30.420 unified force there's a reason why trudeau is very powerful is because uh like everyone's so paranoid 0.99
00:54:36.620 that that idiot can get in that he's not a particularly smart or skilled politician but he's 0.98
00:54:41.400 very good at like playing this very dumb game of like interacting with people who are paranoid and having 1.00
00:54:47.520 no shame and convincing enough of the electorate with the power of his last name and his dashing
00:54:52.660 good looks and his lovely eyelashes to vote for him and win yeah oh he's like he's like true like
00:54:58.840 my wife says he's not that good looking and i'm like what are you talking about he makes me he makes
00:55:04.260 me question how straight i am i mean look at him that's the thing and trudeau's the ultimate like
00:55:10.060 we like to i mean i love to talk about the superiority inferiority clock complex canadians have towards
00:55:14.900 americans where we like to you know we like to sort of create policies based on like basically
00:55:19.260 bernie sanders you know we're not american like bernie sanders will say something insane
00:55:23.280 the american right will say that's insane and shut it down but then to you know show to our american
00:55:29.640 left-wing friends how great we are we'll pass that insane thing and be like look ontario is 15 an hour
00:55:34.240 minimum wage and america's like yeah we don't care what what's canada where is it north south i don't
00:55:38.340 care right so so so that's that's kind of how we we build things and we have this sort of like
00:55:44.220 anti-american stuff and we like to pretend like oh america they're just this celebrity culture and
00:55:48.240 that's donald trump it's like donald trump is 2016 we elected a drama teacher in 2015 because of his
00:55:54.100 last name like name recognition matters and this is i mean you might have been saying this before the
00:55:59.400 stream but you know the andrew sheer thing like he'd probably win the next election just because
00:56:02.820 more people would know his name by now and you know he's better than erin ortew like who would have
00:56:07.220 thought i would be missing the days of andrew sheer like i thought yeah yeah he seems like a nice guy at
00:56:13.320 least and the thing is again people people acting like erin o'toole's like conspiring with other
00:56:18.280 people and whatnot like have you seen erin o'toole have you seen him fumble through debates have you
00:56:23.520 seen him like try and put out a coherent media strategy for his carbon tax he's not smart like
00:56:29.380 he just happens to be at the top of the pile of a bunch of paranoid people who won't stop him
00:56:33.600 my my experience of of being in politics last time uh if i if i ever did it again i would i would do it
00:56:40.640 i would do it a little differently because when it comes to andrew sheer i think i got it wrong i
00:56:45.300 actually think he's a nice guy and i think he might be a sincere individual i don't think he
00:56:50.640 was that good a leader i think he was kind of weak but i kind of regret the way that i that i went
00:56:56.020 about it sometimes and i can't quantify that it's a it's just a feeling because it's all about here
00:57:01.080 and like so i i can maybe i can be like i was right about this one because i was the you know i think
00:57:05.260 the ppc is is is better more philosophical but you know it's worth the vote for sure so sheer's sin
00:57:11.820 was incompetence and cowardice whereas erin o'toole's sin is corruption like erin o'toole is 0.76
00:57:19.400 actively going to undermine the movement willfully um you know the people he's connected to you know
00:57:24.780 suing me into oblivion um you know there's enough on erin o'toole where it's like no no there's there's
00:57:29.420 there's willful shift to like he's he's gonna make the carbon tax whereas sheer won't fight the
00:57:34.400 carbon tax he'll just try and like duck and then you know get in and then not do it whereas
00:57:39.860 erin o'toole was like no i'm going to do it myself so he's like the i said this about the ppc like i
00:57:45.820 was saying to the ppc it's a really bad strategy guys to say the conservatives are just like the
00:57:49.360 liberals because it's not true andrew shearer is not justin trudeau that's bad messaging and you
00:57:53.640 know if ppc needs to be different they need to tell the truth right they can say here are the flaws
00:57:57.640 with the cpc and there are many flaws and i'll list them off for you now but it's not true just
00:58:02.560 like when maxime bernier says you know you know that you know they're all marxist globalists and
00:58:08.300 she's not a marxist globalist guys he's he's incompetent you know he's cowardly and you might 0.79
00:58:13.160 be better than him i get that you know he doesn't have a backbone but that's not true whereas where 0.95
00:58:18.200 the truth like now i don't fight that when people say what's the difference between erin o'toole and
00:58:21.880 justin trudeau it's like yeah i don't know i don't know i really don't know where it is
00:58:25.300 the speed that they're driving towards the cliff yeah that's that's my thing it's like yeah if
00:58:30.120 justin trudeau is going to drive 100 miles an hour to the cliff uh yeah that's bad and if you want
00:58:33.920 to say you know we shouldn't go off the cliff okay that's one thing i think it's even less than that
00:58:37.640 they're fighting over who's shifting into fourth like yeah it's like i want my hand on the shifter
00:58:41.900 as we go over that's yeah i'm gonna take it down to 93 miles an hour we're gonna drive off the cliff
00:58:45.940 at 93 miles an hour it's like well can we not drive off the cliff like can we turn around can we stop
00:58:50.320 the cars racist racist racist anti-pay daniel boardman go away sorry this is another thing i
00:58:56.660 brought up uh this is another thing i brought up a few episodes ago with just like erin o'toole and i 0.79
00:59:01.180 think a lot of the canadian part like party like just a lot of mps are basically everyone everyone's
00:59:07.320 like there might be conservative ndp and liberal mps but the biggest party in canada is the cocktail party
00:59:13.200 because every single person just wants to be accepted wants to be able to be on cbc panels after
00:59:20.080 they're out of office they want to be liked around ottawa it's just this like it's just a bunch of
00:59:25.420 high school social pressure nonsense where everyone just wants or wants to be part of the club so
00:59:29.980 everyone where jacks people thing is like you to get part of the club you get in the cbc panel and
00:59:35.560 then like you cry with charles adler and then you're officially a conservative on the cbc like that's
00:59:40.600 that's that's the ritual process you're baptized in charles adler's tears you know you listen to a clip
00:59:45.620 of me saying like the muslim brotherhood is bad and then like they charles adler cries and then 0.99
00:59:50.060 you are baptized into a mainstream media panel as a conservative
00:59:53.560 charles adler there's a there's a funny story about charles adler because he wrote a piece he
01:00:02.660 wrote so when uh when bernier announced the ppc when he had that press conference and he came out
01:00:08.940 and he said you know i'm breaking away from the conservative party i'm ready to do the hard work and
01:00:14.100 we're gonna do this thing he like left the stage and he went on vacation for i think it was two weeks
01:00:19.660 up to the lakes in quebec so this was a problem so anyway charles adler started he he wanted to
01:00:25.260 interview max about his new party he's like wow you know this is interesting so let's interview him so
01:00:29.740 he calls him up calls up the secretary the secretary just says he's on vacation and adler's like you're
01:00:36.480 kidding me right is this really what you're telling me so there was this big mad scramble that the first
01:00:42.260 public relations crisis of the ppc occurred right after he announced the the creation of the ppc and
01:00:50.200 it's interesting charles adler was at the center of that and so there was a picture that was posted
01:00:54.180 and it goes back to the ppc's promises of a constitution there's this picture and if you go
01:00:58.860 far enough back in max's twitter feed he's sitting there he's got the country in the background the
01:01:03.480 lake and he's got a stack of papers on the desk he's got his glasses on and he's got a pen
01:01:07.220 and it's like i am writing the founding documents and the constitution and we are on our way and
01:01:12.020 i found out long after the whole thing was staged to just try and get charles adler off his back
01:01:17.860 and many years later we still don't have a constitution so all that was missing was him
01:01:23.060 in a white jumpsuit crying in front of a fence
01:01:25.380 uh state of canada these days yeah people like and that's one of the unique things
01:01:35.220 because it's a problem on the right left in the center it's it's a it's a problem that's ubiquitous
01:01:39.980 but like a person like aoc just gets away with that gets away with diving into a garbage can what
01:01:47.040 was it a couple weeks ago and like being maskless in a park after she virtually they just get away with
01:01:52.720 murder and you can't hold them accountable for anything like trudeau try and make a meme that
01:01:58.040 lists all of his scandals on one page that's actually legible without a microscope and you
01:02:03.600 can't do it i've tried i've actually tried to do it you literally think about it and
01:02:06.920 think about how the fact of them so i'm going to go into this piece like one of the things that
01:02:11.860 drove me crazy is the snc lavalon thing and this is this is why like this is my fury with
01:02:15.960 angie sheeran his conservative party is like stop going along with the snc lavalon scandal is because 0.59
01:02:20.520 he fired an indigenous woman like shut up i don't care i don't care that jerry wilson rabel is 1.00
01:02:24.740 indigenous she did the right thing good for her and this isn't a criticism of her she did the right 0.88
01:02:28.840 thing you know what she did as principled and good for jane philpot for backing her the problem was 0.99
01:02:33.380 is justin chido effectively tried to turn canada into a dictatorship that day there is no such thing
01:02:37.700 as a canadian senate we might as like this is might as well be the canadian senate it's equally as
01:02:41.500 useful right there's no canadian the executive is is combined with the legislature in canada
01:02:46.920 like the prime minister is the executive like the president of the united states but he also is the
01:02:50.660 head of the legislature here so the legislature and the executive are combined into one the only
01:02:54.740 balance of power we have in canada is the judiciary the only balance of power which is why you're
01:02:58.960 supposed to have no interaction between the two what this scandal really was is justin trudeau
01:03:03.860 taking lobbyist money from his friends and trying to override the judiciary right and basically rule
01:03:10.140 the judiciary from the prime minister's office that would effectively centralize all the canadian
01:03:15.420 powers all the canadian powers into justin trudeau's prime minister's office and that was the
01:03:19.560 scandal and that was heartbreaking that's it's the biggest scandal in all canadian history
01:03:23.100 and the way that the cbc covered it was what what cool and interesting ways is is justin trudeau
01:03:28.680 going to do like what's what sort of interesting how are they going to get out of the scandal so
01:03:32.900 they didn't get like what sort of backlash is trudeau going to do how are these liberals going to try
01:03:38.360 and mitigate the scandal how are the conservatives going to try and play up the scandal so they never talk
01:03:42.300 about the scandal they're like how are the conservatives going to try and keep it in the
01:03:44.760 news because it's very hard to keep these things in the news no it's not you are the news just talk
01:03:48.660 about it like not remember mike duffy uh mike duffy was like a scandal for like over a year and that
01:03:55.320 was the most boring thing yeah like those things actually ended careers and like like stephen harper's
01:04:02.540 not prime minister probably in large part because of the mike duffy stuff uh but we're like well how is
01:04:08.620 how is snc is not a story anymore we charity is not a story anymore like we had weeks of coverage
01:04:13.560 because someone bought an 18 glass of orange juice and then a liberal did the same thing shortly after
01:04:18.460 trudeau was elected it was like a 25 glass of orange juice and they're like well the orange juice scandals
01:04:23.200 are a thing of the past now cash for access i mean all of it all of it and it's it's because we
01:04:30.540 and it's so trite to say because especially here but we have a state broadcaster we literally have a
01:04:37.120 communist broadcasting network that we pay for the cbc is paid to propagandize us and like they
01:04:45.720 disgust me like and and it's this is nothing new and i hate even saying it i almost want to yawn
01:04:50.980 saying it because i'm so sick of saying it but like anybody and there's still people out there who think
01:04:55.080 the cbc is objective and it's just i i just wrote a story about the cbc yesterday they one of their
01:05:02.400 reporters from waterloo or london they they were covering just uh derek and uh randy hillier and
01:05:09.780 like going to the uh church of god in almer ontario and the writer literally put in because they were
01:05:17.220 just mentioning that he was kicked out of the conservative party caucus they said that he was
01:05:21.040 kicked out for donating to a white supremacist group because they didn't even have the story they
01:05:25.620 had the story so backwards they said it actually shows you how big the media spin on what he on
01:05:31.660 what happened was is that like it's a complete nothing scandal if you know that paul from donated
01:05:36.240 under a different name and it was like no money at all but it's almost like this writer assumed that
01:05:41.320 the story must have been that bad based on all the hubbub about it there's zero scandal there to begin
01:05:46.900 with and this is kind of something that bothers me about the conservative party it also bothered me at
01:05:51.000 times about the ppc so somebody cuts a check are you for 10 bucks or drops 10 bucks in a hat and
01:05:57.060 somebody takes a picture of it are you supposed to vet every 10 bill that comes through you're supposed
01:06:01.260 to vet every single donation why doesn't somebody just come out and say look the donation came in
01:06:06.660 i didn't check the names the conservative party took a cut of it what's the big deal what's the big
01:06:11.140 deal i took his money i don't like the guy i don't like what he says but i took his money why
01:06:15.460 wouldn't i take his money there's a thing of like you know i i have a problem with capping donations i
01:06:20.420 think there should be no limits on what canadians can give as individuals no corporate donations
01:06:24.200 no foreign donations but canadians could give the max and then i'd say but then i then i believe in
01:06:27.980 this world that like you know if someone's giving ten thousand dollars you got to bet that right you
01:06:31.920 got to you got to have a big money yeah the big money big money you bet if someone gives you a
01:06:36.180 hundred dollars like i don't care who it is yeah from was a hundred bucks that donation to derek was
01:06:40.580 a hundred bucks right yeah it was like 113 but even that even sorry even when that cbc writer they
01:06:46.480 they had to edit it like two hours later i don't think anyone even told them i think what was
01:06:50.260 funny is that the first draft made it to publication for a couple hours so that was fine for at least
01:06:55.260 two hours but he doesn't get an apology but even when they changed it they changed it to he was
01:06:59.380 kicked out of the party for accepting a donation from a white supremacist and it's just lying through
01:07:04.060 oversimplifying the story that that was yeah that was oh that was aaron o'toole's stated reason for
01:07:11.160 kicking him out of the party but it makes it sound like he was like in a dark alley and soliciting a
01:07:15.340 donation directly from paul from while they were like sharing some ribs the way i take it is it
01:07:20.360 makes it sound like they're up on a stage and paul from is doing a check presentation to derek and
01:07:26.440 derek shaking his hand and he's like welcome to the club buddy would you like the microphone like
01:07:30.640 they make it sound like it's it's this known factor and it just isn't on this scandal is it's
01:07:38.340 clear that the the conservative party turfed eric intentionally like uh it's like it's it's yeah it's
01:07:44.460 not unless it's over like 200 or something these things aren't public which means someone inside
01:07:48.320 the conservative party had to go through tip off the media and then the public doesn't know that
01:07:52.860 right the public has no idea how this like how many people have ever run in federal politics sorry
01:07:56.960 to just jump in but it's like people don't know the rules and the media whose job is to teach them
01:08:01.680 doesn't teach them they propagandize them and that's why people are that's why i think this is a
01:08:07.120 wonder thing these people will come to people like you and i who will say okay guys like let's break
01:08:10.980 this down like this is you know here's your point a point b point b here's your conclusion like you
01:08:16.700 know i'm not like you know i didn't set out to become like a journalist or anything but i just
01:08:20.680 i just thought i could do better than the cbc and yeah i was i'm a stand-up comedian by trade
01:08:25.480 but i can offer my opinion and say here's why i have my opinion here's some basic facts of the case
01:08:30.460 you know make your own but clearly derek was it was an inside job that's what i was saying when i said
01:08:36.320 that canadian politics can actually be far more interesting than american politics if that was
01:08:40.480 story was broken down on the fact that if you they followed the story and you should have been going
01:08:45.400 to aaron o'toole's house and questioning hey why did the media even know about a donation that tiny
01:08:50.400 when it was under a different name that's insane how would they even known it was paul from based
01:08:54.180 on the fact it was frederick p from why did you guys clear they didn't investigate any of that and
01:08:58.820 like just going back to the cbc how much bigger a story that is that like oh someone took a whatever
01:09:03.820 np no one cares about but like why is that like this is actually some pretty interesting that is
01:09:07.620 a house of card story yeah that's like crazy politics like a constructed inside hit job against
01:09:14.360 an np who ran for the leader like this would draw people into canadian politics but there's no will
01:09:18.920 to cover these stories in canada it's weird that's that's not what what the media companies in canada
01:09:24.600 represent they represent okay derek is a threat to the storyline that we are selling so if we can
01:09:31.100 concoct this and we can sell it in a way that gets rid of him that's the goal it's not a goal
01:09:36.200 of inform it like i know again it's like preaching to the choir here but it's it's so important to
01:09:41.440 understand newsmen they're they're they're they're the they're the media wing of the liberal party
01:09:44.940 and they got even just or even just even just the narrative so when it comes time that they figure
01:09:50.140 trudeau has to go if they can rig if they can get somebody in the conservative party seat that can
01:09:54.700 take trudeau out and still keep the agenda online well then they'll support him it's it's for five seconds
01:10:00.900 for five seconds until there's an illusion later yeah until it's either christopher freeland or
01:10:05.880 somehow navdeep baines may come back and that you know the 50 million reasons why i had to leave if
01:10:10.960 that somehow resolves itself and no one finds out about it um but you know it was it was i i i had
01:10:16.400 my money on navdeep baines coming out of that thing over christopher freeland but you know he had to
01:10:20.040 resign because uh no reason go sorry but going back to the cbc this is the reason why they're sort of
01:10:26.820 like the the most dangerous news source in canada like i think people understand the toronto star is
01:10:32.260 very biased to the left press progress everyone knows it's an ndp front group basically even if
01:10:36.060 you don't know that specifically you're like these people are ndp the thing with the cbc is the like
01:10:41.540 the story that that uh that that like a woman kate dublinski wrote about the people being fined or 0.93
01:10:47.900 being charged for attending that church service uh technically the technically the details are right
01:10:54.220 but it's just sort of the reading between the lines it's the reading between the lines she never
01:11:00.280 brings up the constitutional like or the charter right violations angle of the church wanting to
01:11:05.740 meet and hold a service they only quoted derek about the fact that these are violating our charter
01:11:09.980 rights which makes it sound like it's just his opinion man like oh that's a that's cool and then on
01:11:15.220 when it goes to well technically he did accept money from a white supremacist but you accept has
01:11:20.740 a lot of context baked into it that people don't know anything about where it's like when press
01:11:24.960 progress does something they almost fall over themselves because they're they're clearly essentially
01:11:29.280 they're clearly either socialist or malice this game and it's like you want me to find the list of
01:11:33.460 who's donated to the liberal party like you want to play okay 130 dollars is it from from a white 0.76
01:11:37.660 nationalist like that's our level of like okay you know i could find you how okay pedophiles one but
01:11:44.160 like how many terrorists related you know how many hundreds of thousands of dollars could i find
01:11:48.420 within a day uh of money that went to the liberal party like of you know you know people either
01:11:52.680 connected to like the muslim brotherhood jamaati islami the calistani movement like whatever you
01:11:56.180 name it like you want to play this game which of course they don't want to play it's just the
01:11:59.520 white nationals thing but i you know if this is the rules which it's not it's the narrative but if
01:12:03.980 there's the rules i could sing everyone in the liberal party in one day i'm not going to spend my
01:12:06.900 time doing it i'm going to kind of do am i in my spare time but i just know it's going to be
01:12:11.360 fruitless i could you know i could show you know cbc like here's like osama bin laden he gave 10
01:12:16.640 you know here's another story that never caught on remember monty mcnaughton the minister of labor
01:12:22.820 in ontario verifiably left his riding or left where he lives to go and stay with his parents
01:12:29.160 over easter break the thing is that the philip rod phillips did the same thing basically the evidence
01:12:33.980 was the same as we have a photo of them not there it what we didn't have a photo of monty mcnaughton
01:12:37.800 but clearly it's a photo of a car outside their parents house it's verifiably their parents house
01:12:42.060 he's parked in front where he's clearly blocking someone else who's parked in the driveway also so
01:12:47.580 multiple family multiple groups of people are there but you can't get the you can't get the
01:12:51.940 mainstream media to cover that despite the fact that even just the way that like monty mcnaughton's
01:12:57.160 own press secretary got back to us was clearly them scrambling to try to come up with an excuse a
01:13:02.300 saturday email 45 minutes after we tweeted out a picture of it and you guys are already on us that's
01:13:07.440 that's crazy good timing on your guys's part you just happen to look at the email but the cbc doesn't
01:13:12.480 want to cover it because well we already got rod phillips and now ford's going through with
01:13:17.020 everything we want on covet he's putting in place the really harsh lockdowns so we're not going to
01:13:21.900 rod phillips monty mcnaughton yeah you know doug ford's an interesting an interesting thing right now
01:13:29.260 because he takes a lot of he takes a lot of heat and i've given i've given his government a lot of heat
01:13:35.080 but i can remember when he was running for leader and i was i was quite involved and i remember how
01:13:42.300 contentious the end of that was and how contentious things were between him and elliott and so he comes
01:13:48.640 out on top they come out on stage they raise up his hands it's all unity and everything else and at
01:13:53.280 that stage i firmly believe that doug ford intended to be a populist in a sense i wouldn't be surprised
01:13:59.020 and i'm just speculating here that he's been he's been rooked like this is the end of his political
01:14:03.920 career and the curtain is going to come down on it and we're going to have elliott come up and assume
01:14:08.780 the role at some point in the future i don't know where but he's he's pigeonholed himself in a sense
01:14:15.620 because he's gone along with so much what trudeau does he has a hard time looking like he's opposing
01:14:20.620 him all they argue about anymore it's just like aaron o'toole it's vaccines this vaccines that vaccine it's so
01:14:25.400 boring it's yeah it's it's it's yeah it's whatever it's a safe zone it's where michelle
01:14:30.580 rempel makes her money it's like you know in in in in things that that that are just like you know 0.94
01:14:36.500 the liberal government is isn't effective and the liberal government is corrupt never fighting them
01:14:41.460 on the ideology never saying like hey you know what like can we put like this man was convicted
01:14:47.160 of 17 different violent rapes he's not a woman right now he's not going into a female penitentiary
01:14:52.480 like you'll never see michelle rempel say that like that's like that's something that that that
01:14:56.680 that's a fight that we need to have but that's never where the fight they'll be like you know
01:15:00.360 justin trudeau should have more vaccines and we said and they it's yeah it's well to any michelle 0.89
01:15:05.300 rempel fans she literally cried for bill c16 to be passed cried for people to be able to have their 1.00
01:15:13.260 like their constitutional rights violated to be forced to to like for the government to be imposed
01:15:21.220 compelled speech on people she cried for that to happen that's insane that should ruin her career 0.80
01:15:25.980 among conservatives but i guess she puts on a cowboy hat and talks about pipelines sometimes
01:15:29.980 yeah it's that that's that's that's the safe conservative thing it's like pipelines right
01:15:33.900 we you know pipelines and you know let's say she had alberta let's try and tamp down the
01:15:37.760 separatist movement let's be like trudeau is bad at what he does and pipelines it's like yes to the
01:15:43.280 pipelines and yes he's bad but can we can we like be a bit conservative here like this is the thing we
01:15:48.300 talk about a lot all the time like you know you gotta actually stand by your conservative brand
01:15:52.840 and if you shy away from your brand people are going to intuit naturally because that's what
01:15:56.400 humans do they're going to intuit that there's something wrong with conservatism if you as a
01:16:00.360 leader shy away from it and it's it's mad and even even if you want to shy away from it if you don't
01:16:04.560 want to call yourself conservative you don't have to call yourself conservative you just have to stand
01:16:08.120 up for things that are right versus wrong and there's no like i long for a charismatic leader who
01:16:15.380 can actually do it who can actually debate effectively who actually just knows the talking
01:16:19.300 points not even forget talking points it's such a garbage turn who just knows how things are working
01:16:24.900 and can articulate them on a dime and actually shake things up who isn't afraid of just approaching
01:16:31.180 these tough issues and saying saying in public i mean try and find a conservative that will stand up
01:16:35.520 in public and say hey i don't think kids at nine years old should be able to sterilize themselves
01:16:40.720 because they've been convinced in school that they're transgender because someone came into
01:16:46.020 the school and told them that there's a there's a the billboard guy the guy who put up the billboard
01:16:52.340 in in vancouver that chris oh the guy that wears the billboards it goes all over the country he was
01:16:56.500 attacked by antifa had his arm something i know i know you're talking about yeah but i mean like
01:17:03.160 somebody to come along and just and put that guy in the spotlight a little bit and say you know what
01:17:07.060 this guy's got a point that like he he published a he published an audio that he was shared out of
01:17:12.800 i believe it was a school in ontario and it was like a 40 minute audio of one of these classes it's
01:17:18.680 literally somebody coming in and saying you know there's male and there's female and then there's
01:17:22.740 the gray area in between and you know transgenderism might be right for you and so you've got all these 1.00
01:17:28.100 kids these and and i remember being a kid i'm sure you guys do you're closer to it than i was like
01:17:32.840 i'm a little bit further away from it but like when i was 15 16 and that's an old age you're very
01:17:39.060 impressionable and you're looking for attention and you got a picture like some of these kids are
01:17:43.520 coming from split homes they're not getting the attention that they that they would ideally get
01:17:48.300 if if it was an ideal sort of circumstance there's a huge thing with the comorbidity with
01:17:52.560 um some autism on the spectrum stuff too like you know do you feel like you don't belong that you're
01:17:57.060 not understanding your body and that's a lot of the symptoms of autism there's a lot of female 1.00
01:18:01.320 groups like if you read the the new abigail shire book which is basically heresy it's basically
01:18:05.320 the it could get kicked out of polite society but she i need to read yeah but uh i believe i can't
01:18:13.220 remember what it's called but it's abigail shire um something it's it's it got kicked off amazon
01:18:17.280 into but she talks about like rapid onset gender dysphoria and like and the fascinating thing is the
01:18:22.700 transgenderism historically it's always been a thing of lots of men going to women but the huge uptick
01:18:28.240 now is actually teenage girls of female to male which wasn't so much before so if you're saying
01:18:33.920 if you try to make the argument like with most psychological things oh the reason why we're
01:18:37.260 diagnosing depression at higher rates is because we're now you know more cognizant of depression
01:18:41.880 okay but then why aren't the rates going up of the men going to women at the same age it's mostly
01:18:47.540 females going to males and you know it goes with the same pattern of most female girls here is um 1.00
01:18:52.340 you have like it's it's it's sort of a social contagion like one friend gets it the other
01:18:57.360 friends are likely to get it so when you treat people with anorexia or bulimia these are diseases
01:19:01.980 that plague mostly teenage girls the worst thing you can do is have a support group for them like 0.98
01:19:07.520 one of the things you do is you never put two anorexics near each other because they'll hype each
01:19:12.240 other up support each other in the disease and like there's big problems the anorexia community of 0.88
01:19:16.940 like them finding websites to sort of you know thin inspiration or something where they they try
01:19:21.940 and get skinnier and skinnier and skinnier together this is the same thing sort of with the new
01:19:25.160 transgender thing is you put teenage girls together and when one gets it her friends are then much 1.00
01:19:30.060 more likely to empathize with her then go along with it too and then once you have two the third
01:19:35.240 one becomes exponentially more likely than the fourth one because exponentially more likely and you're
01:19:38.440 getting these rapid onset clusters of teenage girls uh transitioning at the point and it's and you know i 0.87
01:19:44.440 would love if if a politician in canada had the stones i was gonna say yeah it'll say balls to
01:19:49.880 to talk about this uh well and and that's what social media is doing the social media environment
01:19:54.500 especially twitter twitter is this toxic waste heap that i would i should probably just get off it is
01:20:01.300 what i should do i think my life would improve immensely if i just walked away from it forever
01:20:05.280 but it's it's drawing these characters together like they pedophilia was a protected thing so it's like if
01:20:12.020 you're a minor attracted person there was a designation and a hashtag and it's protected
01:20:16.580 in the terms of service or it was and it's not anymore but these people were gathered together and
01:20:21.360 when i found them i blew my top i'm like i can't believe this exists and these people are going to
01:20:26.740 argue with me and they're going to threaten me and say that i'm the abnormal one because love is love
01:20:32.300 and all this stuff it's like so we're so the social media environment is creating a space for these
01:20:37.500 people to gather together with these problems and reinforce each other and then as people kind of
01:20:43.980 rise through the group of people and they get to the top and they've done everything they can do
01:20:48.780 and they realize it wasn't for them and they fall off well there's nothing there to catch they just
01:20:52.780 ignore them they block them they shun them and they pretend they don't exist it's an inconvenient
01:20:58.540 reality and it's left to places like the national telegraph or the federal list to write the article
01:21:04.140 up and nobody can and nobody will read it from within the community about it the ability to create
01:21:08.380 your own ecosystem is is is pretty dangerous because like you know you couldn't back in the day you can't
01:21:13.100 just block people you you got to see you know back in the 90s the the people you interacted with were
01:21:18.700 a deep decent sample size of of what the population actually reflects but that's not especially covet where
01:21:24.700 everyone's locked in indoors like if you're not like me who says you know what i really don't like
01:21:30.220 what you know krista freeland has to say but i'm going to follow her you know i i don't like
01:21:33.420 the cbc journalists i think she's pretty dishonest so i'm going to follow her to make sure that her 0.99
01:21:37.260 news and what she likes and what linda sarsour likes is you know you know okay linda sarsour's
01:21:42.300 opinion pierre paulia's opinion you know frank vaughn's opinion you know you're getting a sample of
01:21:46.700 opinions yeah i'm trying i i i i i i try and fight the algorithm with that but you know not everyone does and
01:21:54.060 you're right it's it's this huge problem we're facing where people will curate these radical
01:21:58.860 echo chambers and then think of that as real life and then it's like this is sort of what this is
01:22:02.860 sort of a more of a um an american thing just because i find americans are more tuned in with
01:22:06.940 politics is that i they did a study where they found that liberals were far less likely to actually
01:22:12.460 be able to sum up the arguments of a conservative than a conservative was to sum up the arguments of
01:22:18.140 like of a uh jonathan heights study yeah yeah and the thing is that even happens with that
01:22:23.100 happens a lot with covet where everyone who thinks it's the the new black death and everyone's gonna
01:22:27.500 die only talks to each other and they can't even like if they see someone not walking around the mask
01:22:32.380 they legitimately think that that person's trying to kill people they think that they have they're
01:22:36.700 malicious and they hate other people it's so it's such a weirdly inhuman way of thinking about other
01:22:42.380 people's thoughts we have adapted um i i've i came up with a phrase the other day i called it the the
01:22:49.100 uh plethora electric because we have all these signals and we always talk about dopamine hits
01:22:54.220 and we and how easy it is to get but we have no concept of the consequences of what we've unleashed
01:23:01.500 on the world in the last 20 years and what it does to us psychologically and what it does to us
01:23:06.700 anthropologically and sociologically and i think one of the obvious consequences which we've always
01:23:12.780 already talked about is people gathering together um bipartisanship shrinking and shrinking and
01:23:19.260 shrinking since the advent of the internet there's a somewhere out there on the internets there's a
01:23:24.220 there's a chart and it shows the u.s house of congress and how they vote so on every single bill
01:23:30.700 is mapped out which politician voted for what bill and there's all these different vertices drawn
01:23:36.780 between them and as the internet becomes more and more populous they start to break apart
01:23:41.420 until there's like absolutely no cross contamination and that is a symbol of what's happening yeah this
01:23:47.020 is again i'll i'll reference my psychology background here but it's we've known this for a
01:23:50.700 while like in sort of political polarization it's known that if you take like 10 moderate liberals who
01:23:55.340 score like let's say five or six out of ten on the sort of left wing scale they're a bunch of five
01:23:59.180 to six out of ten liberals you put them in a room talk politics for an hour or so then you sort of
01:24:04.940 pull them again they'll usually be around eight to nine like they'll even it's like even it's 10
01:24:09.580 moderates if there's no other people there they'll all polarize um and it's just natural and this is
01:24:14.540 this is sort of the threat of the ecosystem um sum up so it's accelerated so much by
01:24:19.740 electrons by the ability to find your your ecosystem so besides we're approaching almost an hour and a
01:24:25.740 half this has been a long show we've done and i've enjoyed every second of it and i lost some of the
01:24:29.100 time and you know frank we'd love to have you back uh you know maybe if why it stops being a pervert 0.56
01:24:33.980 we can stream to every platform uh in the future i have appealed it let's let's see what facebook
01:24:39.740 says yeah somehow yeah well i we like to sort of give uh give the guests the floor to sort of end
01:24:45.980 this off make a make a speech drive one home you know a point or whatever also nordvpn if you want
01:24:50.380 to you know get away from the government blah blah blah bill c10 bad bad bad nor vpn by link description
01:24:55.180 below vpn you're different way places but you you know vpn good no vpn bad frank nordvpn i mean i hear
01:25:02.620 about it all the time i think it's probably great they're not sponsoring me i'm just saying
01:25:06.300 that i have no experience nor vpn um i think i think we all have to and and this is something
01:25:13.020 i've been doing like i've uh i've dedicated some time of late i haven't been putting out my own
01:25:17.660 content but i've been going on shows uh shows like yours but even smaller ones like there's a you know
01:25:23.100 a little thing that somebody in sault st marie is doing there's a nurse there and there's a guy who
01:25:27.180 used to work for the ontario lager and gaming corporation and they just they're concerned citizens and
01:25:31.980 we got to build our communities out and try to get our feelers out into
01:25:38.540 what other people are thinking and what they're doing so people who might think a little bit
01:25:41.660 differently from us and if we can and another thing i've been doing in spite of the fact of
01:25:45.820 the lockdown i've been focusing a lot on very quiet face-to-face work in my own community so going to
01:25:52.060 see people engaging in social interactions face to face and um because there's there's there's there's
01:25:58.540 a there's a chemical response if people aren't getting if people are living alone and they're
01:26:02.140 not actually seeing people it's actually very unhealthy for a human being if you're face to
01:26:07.660 face with somebody that you disagree with and you're talking to them one-on-one chances are they're not 0.76
01:26:12.620 going to scream nazi racist anti-gay rhetoric at you they they're going to actually listen to you
01:26:20.540 you might actually move the needle the the twitter stuff and the comments on facebook i do it too we're 0.97
01:26:26.300 all there but i'm not sure we're moving the needle that way stuff like this might move the needle and
01:26:33.500 interactions folks in your own little communities talking over the fence to your neighbor
01:26:37.900 the like there's not going to be one person that comes along and fixes everything it's going to be a
01:26:43.260 million people who start kind of bringing it back and it and and i've been focused on that a lot and
01:26:49.340 it's not something you publicize you don't live stream while you're having a conversation with your
01:26:53.580 neighbor like you have to be humble about it a little breaking because civil conversation 1.00
01:26:59.740 this is why the whole like the people on facebook and twitter who are yelling
01:27:03.820 plandemic scandemic like you're not convincing anyone honestly you got it you got to get like
01:27:08.540 onto a more personal level with people and just sort of talk over the data in a very neutral way
01:27:13.500 and they'll understand not this sort of like you have to consume like pages and pages of what i've
01:27:20.220 read agree a little bit with you there wyatt and i should say it's actually different than that and
01:27:23.580 this is this is my game theory when i have conversations with people who don't agree with me politically
01:27:28.300 my my goal actually my my number one win conditions isn't to convince them of my points
01:27:32.940 or or to like win like my number one win condition which i aim for first like the win i seek in
01:27:38.860 conversation if it's political within you know a political obviously is not to convince them it's to
01:27:43.820 have them come away and say gee i spoke to someone on the other side and i empathize and i get him
01:27:50.380 just to have them see me as a person and to have a polite like you know what i might not be a conservative
01:27:56.300 but i had a pleasant interaction with the conservative wow that's a human being that's a human being now
01:28:01.740 if they try and come after you and they try and put you then go for the win and dunk whatever
01:28:06.620 but the the win condition i think is just to have the other person say you know what i disagree he
01:28:11.420 didn't really change my mind but that's a human being and now i see these people in a more apathetic
01:28:15.980 light and i think that's that's that's i think the goal not so much to convince them with the facts and
01:28:20.540 the data but just to see like i'm coming from a place that isn't malicious i'm going on on some data i'm
01:28:25.980 not crazy you know i'm not we just we just have different philosophies and that's what's going on
01:28:30.860 right here i think that's the i think that's yeah that's what i try and i think you know that's kind
01:28:34.860 of where frank was going well and another thing and it highlights your point is and i've been getting
01:28:40.140 a little bit worse with this i think of late because the stress of the weight of what's happening
01:28:45.260 does weigh on me as well i'm not a freaking stone but instead of going for the win and the jugular on every single
01:28:52.140 person if you can just slide a point under the door and just kind of get something in there and
01:28:58.620 then just slowly back away and let them digest it you don't always have to you don't always have to
01:29:03.180 go for the finish if you can just if you pick up that somebody has moved a little bit back away from
01:29:08.460 that just back away from that let that seed grow in their own mind because that's where the change
01:29:12.540 happens when they're alone at night in bed thinking about what they did that day that's where change
01:29:17.340 happens i know that's how it works with me my conscience speaks to me yeah no one changes in the
01:29:21.820 moment like we're all we're like you know very few people change in the middle of a conversation
01:29:25.820 like there's that one moment where you know larry elder kind of convinces dave rubin that there is
01:29:29.580 no systemic racism in policing and that one we kind of saw and like a viral moment but like that's
01:29:34.940 that's not what usually happens and you know dave it was kind of going beautiful and and there was
01:29:39.820 a progression that way and the reason that happened is because david hosted a bunch of different
01:29:43.980 conservatives he had like this is a show for atheist liberals to do whatever then he had a bunch of
01:29:48.220 conservatives who were just nice to him he saw them as reasonable rational people and then at the
01:29:52.220 end he said well what about systemic racism to larry elder he's like okay here are the facts
01:29:55.900 right he was primed for those facts and then you saw him sort of shift his position so you know that's
01:30:00.700 you know not everyone's going to be have the larry elder moment there but you know the way you make
01:30:04.620 the world a better place is you just convince people that you're rational you're well-intentioned you
01:30:09.260 don't think they're evil they shouldn't think you're evil we're just like here's where we disagree like
01:30:13.980 you know here's you know where we disagree on what's the range of policies like should we be
01:30:18.620 conducting policy for humans now should we thinking about humans in the future like that's you know
01:30:23.100 what it is which lives do we prioritize is it you know column a of covet column b like that's this is
01:30:28.220 this is really what you need to do and and i you know i i was happy to have you on because i think
01:30:32.220 you're someone who goes about conversations and and you know you're when i watch your videos it's pretty
01:30:36.940 well thought out pretty well researched there's no accusations of the lizard people it's like you know
01:30:42.540 here's where frank is coming from and and you know i understand it although watch out for those
01:30:47.580 lizard people yeah you got to keep an eye out for them you never know you never know when they're
01:30:51.260 going to show up all right so this has been great um uh i think this is a great place to end the
01:30:55.820 stream we've done just over an hour and a half uh and you know i have to go back and watch the packers
01:31:00.060 ruin my life later by drafting a long snapper in the first round i don't know why i'm going to do
01:31:03.420 that to myself but i am uh so frank it's been a pleasure and we hope to have you back sometime too
01:31:08.140 yeah anytime great guys keep up the good work