The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - December 12, 2025


Traitor: Conservative MP joins Carney Liberals - Is this Bribery?!?


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Another Conservative MP crosses the floor to the Liberals. This time, it's Markham Unionville MP Michael Ma, who is now a Liberal. What does this mean for the future of the Conservative Party of Canada? And what does it mean for our economy?

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here. I was going to make a video on an entirely different subject,
00:00:06.620 but we have a piece of major breaking news right now, which is another Conservative Party member
00:00:13.040 of Parliament has crossed the floor over to Mark Carney's Liberals. In this case, it is
00:00:19.260 Markham Unionville Conservative MP Michael Ma, who is now becoming a Liberal. Now remember,
00:00:26.160 the riding of Markham Unionville used to be the riding of Liberal MP Paul Chang. You will remember
00:00:33.740 in the April election that he had to be replaced by the Liberal Party because he was making threats
00:00:40.940 against a Conservative MP candidate, and that guy's family back in Hong Kong was being threatened.
00:00:48.700 And now, oddly enough, we have a Conservative MP crossing the floor towards the CCP Liberals.
00:00:56.160 This is all very confusing, but what I want to say right off the bat about this situation,
00:01:02.040 this is just a personal feeling. I don't think there's actually a leadership crisis
00:01:06.440 with Conservative Party leader Pierre Pollyop. That is going to be the media spin.
00:01:11.180 That is going to be the Liberal Party spin. I think the actual crisis here is that we have
00:01:17.060 a bribery crisis in Canadian politics. The other Conservative MP who ended up crossing the floor
00:01:23.780 was Chris Dontremont from Acadianapolis, whose main issue that caused him to go over to the Liberals
00:01:30.640 is that he was passed up for the role of deputy speaker that came with another $50,000 attached to
00:01:37.800 the MP salary. Everything else we had heard about that situation basically pointed to the fact that
00:01:43.260 Chris Dontremont left and joined the Liberals for purely petty reasons, just stupid personal petty
00:01:49.980 reasons, because his actual official justification was extremely hollow and contradicted everything he
00:01:56.580 had been saying up to that point. And now Michael Ma is effectively making the exact same excuses as
00:02:02.500 Chris Dontremont is? Oh, well, Mark Carney's a steady hand and we need him right now. I'm going to get
00:02:08.560 into the letter that was released by the Liberal Party in a second here, as well as some other concerning
00:02:12.840 information about Michael Ma. But before I do that, I just want to encourage you guys to like the video,
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00:02:46.460 it yesterday and then it wasn't even ready until today, but that's just me being kind of useless.
00:02:51.480 But anyways, now here we go with the letter out from the Liberal Party. This was being, this was posted
00:02:58.520 by Trending Politics, but this was from the Liberal website. And it says, statement from MP Michael Ma.
00:03:05.820 Today, the Liberal Party issued the following statement from Michael Ma, member of Parliament for
00:03:10.300 Markham Unionville. After listening carefully to the people of Markham Unionville in recent weeks
00:03:15.580 and reflecting with my family on the direction of our country, I have informed the Speaker and the
00:03:20.840 Leader of the Opposition that I will be joining Prime Minister Mark Carney in the Government Caucus.
00:03:25.900 Quote, this is a time for unity and decisive action for Canada's future. I came to Canada at 12 years old
00:03:32.680 as the youngest of seven, quickly learning the importance of hard work and resilience. Those values,
00:03:37.760 building up others, delivering results, and choosing a path that creates opportunity have guided me
00:03:42.520 throughout my career in business that now is a member of Parliament. In that spirit, I have concluded
00:03:47.260 that Prime Minister Mark Carney is offering the steady, practical approach that we need to deliver
00:03:52.400 on the priorities I hear every day while door-knocking in Markham Unionville that includes making life more
00:03:57.940 affordable, growing a strong Canadian economy, strengthening community safety, and creating a real,
00:04:03.460 creating real opportunities for young people and families who are working hard to build their
00:04:08.540 Canadian dream. I entered public service to help people to focus on solutions, not division.
00:04:14.360 I look forward to working with Prime Minister Carney to make sure Markham Unionville and all of Canada
00:04:19.460 can move forward with confidence and build a stronger and safer and more prosperous future.
00:04:24.680 That is what we call political pablum. He is not saying anything. Mark Carney is a stable figure right
00:04:32.840 now. He is quite literally at his weakest position yet since he became Prime Minister.
00:04:37.380 The MOU motion vote went up like a lead balloon. All of his trade, all of his efforts on trade deals
00:04:42.820 with the United States have utterly failed. And many of his other promises of trying to bring the budget
00:04:47.760 into like a more like, you know, trying to be more responsible spending and debt has been a complete
00:04:52.980 fraud. The man has not actually really achieved pretty much anything and things have only gotten
00:04:57.940 worse over time. And he's saying that I need to like join this government so we can focus on security.
00:05:03.580 The Liberals just shut down the committee on Bill C-14 to try and do some minor bail reform.
00:05:10.000 So apparently they're not that concerned about crime. And instead they are focusing on Bill C-9,
00:05:15.300 which is this hate speech law that could criminalize people for having basic traditionalist religious
00:05:20.540 views. This guy's just lying. I think we can all tell. And really what this goes back to is the man
00:05:27.620 probably should have never been a candidate for the Conservative Party in the first place.
00:05:31.520 I know he ran for the Conservatives back in 2019, but oftentimes you get community figures pushing
00:05:37.100 people forward as like a good guy who can connect with the community. But we never actually have his
00:05:43.340 Conservative credentials put in front of us. He's just some guy who wanted to be an MP. And maybe as
00:05:49.140 Carney's government has gotten weaker over the last couple of months, maybe his bidding price
00:05:53.080 has gone up. And I'm not saying that an envelope of money showed up at his house and now he's switching
00:05:58.400 over. But maybe he's going to be in a more prominent position with more power and more notoriety
00:06:02.800 because Carney's in a worse position now than previously when Chris D'Entremont ended up crossing the
00:06:08.700 floor because, you know, we need unity, not division. It's like you didn't claim all day long the people
00:06:15.820 in your riding of Markham Unionville wanted you to cross the floor, but they elected you as a
00:06:21.160 Conservative. In fact, they elected you despite having had previously a Liberal MP who ended up having to be
00:06:28.580 thrown out of the race by his own party for obviously effectively being a CCP agent. And now we have Michael
00:06:34.220 Ma switching over. And isn't it a little bit weird that we have this news from back on the on April 10th
00:06:41.320 of this year? This person's account, and I don't know if they're Conservative or not, they actually
00:06:47.120 may even be a Liberal and they're reporting on on a weird shady stuff Michael Ma was doing. This person
00:06:52.780 says, again, well before this, back on April 10th of 2025 before the federal election, it's odd that the
00:07:00.660 CPC candidate in this riding posted a photo of himself with the disgraced former Conservative Party
00:07:06.740 of Canada MP, Bob Soroka, who took a trip to China paid by the CCP. As long, as soon as I called Michael
00:07:14.680 Ma about this, his ties to Soroka, he deleted the photo from his ex-account. I wouldn't trust him.
00:07:21.220 Yeah, so that's a little bit weird that this MP who was hanging out with somebody who was compromised
00:07:26.960 by the CCP suddenly decides that actually all the unity is with Mark Carney. Obviously, people wanted
00:07:36.580 Mark Carney in his riding, and that's why they voted for him as a Conservative, not for the Liberal who
00:07:42.120 replaced Paul Chang in the race. It's completely backwards logic to pretend as if somehow you have
00:07:49.200 a mandate to cross the floor when in fact you were literally mandated to be an opposition member of
00:07:56.040 Parliament. Now, I'm not even against floor crossings depending on the context. If you cross the floor
00:08:03.180 because you've stuck to your principles and your party ended up kind of leaving you, and you have to
00:08:08.660 join another party or create a new party because that actually represents the principles that you've
00:08:13.440 been sticking to, that's fine. I don't think Michael Ma has any principles. I think it's simply that
00:08:19.700 there was an opportunity to maybe gain a little bit more power, and so he crossed the floor. We are now in
00:08:25.200 a situation where the Liberals literally only need, in theory, Elizabeth May to vote in order to pass 0.92
00:08:32.080 stuff, because if she ends up voting, that means the Speaker could, in theory, break the tie, or I think
00:08:37.120 they need another one after that, but we're getting, like, dangerously close to the Liberals having a
00:08:44.060 majority government. Cross your fingers and pray that a court appeal in the riding of Terrebonne in Quebec
00:08:52.100 ends up overturning that result, because remember, we had a judge say, yeah, the Liberals only won by
00:08:57.380 one vote, and there was massive incompetence by Elections Canada in that riding, but who cares?
00:09:02.780 It affected everybody. It's like, well, we literally don't know who won if it's by one vote, and there
00:09:08.120 was massive issues with vote counting and people mailing in ballots to the wrong addresses as the
00:09:13.260 Elections Canada printed it wrong. This is just a clown show at this point, and again, I don't think this
00:09:20.080 reflects badly on Pierre Polyev. Maybe whoever pushed forward Michael Ma, that person should be blacklisted
00:09:25.820 and never listened to again, and they actually thought Michael Ma was a sure thing. Like, he's a great
00:09:31.200 conservative, guys. He told me so. Okay, well, apparently not. We need better quality conservative MPs, and
00:09:39.740 most of them are great, but the problem is in the last election, there were people pushing for a lot of
00:09:45.520 appointments, and this is why we cannot have appointed candidates. We need nominated candidates by grassroots
00:09:51.980 conservatives who can vet the people themselves if this is the right guy for the job. I actually hear on
00:09:59.380 convention, they're going to be bringing more nomination rules forward where the leader can still appoint
00:10:03.680 candidates, but to a far more limited number, which makes sense. Sometimes you do just need to appoint people when
00:10:09.100 there's some last-minute by-election, or somebody ends up dropping out. The leader needs to be able to put in
00:10:14.360 somebody that they can trust, that's fine. But overall, there should be more nominations, and there
00:10:19.040 should be more grassroots say over what goes on here. But again, yes, this is a very crazy situation
00:10:27.180 that we are at the point where Mark Carney, at a time when, if another election gets called, he could lose,
00:10:34.300 that he may be able to just cobble together a government by taking some weak-willed individuals who
00:10:38.820 want a payoff in some way, some shape or form, maybe even in a legal way, where, hey, you get to be, you
00:10:45.780 know, minister of whatever if you come over. This really isn't sure how politics should work. Is it
00:10:52.280 illegal? No. But I think we all understand for a healthy society, this is not how things should
00:10:57.820 actually work, and I think Canadians should be rejecting this cloak and dagger stuff. Now, there is
00:11:03.960 still a slight silver lining here, because the Liberals are going to be faced by about five or
00:11:09.980 six Liberal MPs this winter or over the next year who are likely going to be resigning from office
00:11:16.140 completely. Chrystia Freeland, Jonathan Wilkinson, Nate Erskine-Smith, I believe, like, I think I've
00:11:23.440 heard Melanie Jolie's name might be in there as well, other people, Stephen Gilbeau. There are many of
00:11:28.920 these individuals who may leave office and could, in theory, get replaced by someone who, at very least,
00:11:34.140 is not a Liberal MP. Many of these are more default Liberal ridings, but at the same time, Mark Carney
00:11:40.540 has done a good job of taking off both the left flank of his party as well as the right flank of his
00:11:46.040 party. I consider them the green-orange Liberals on the left and the business Liberals on the right,
00:11:51.920 the people who are fiscally conservative but maybe on social issues, they're more socially progressive or at
00:11:57.100 least mildly socially Liberal and in their Bay Street life, it seems like a normal option to be
00:12:03.060 Liberal. But, my goodness, can we just sort politics out in this country? We need to shut down 0.81
00:12:11.580 Canadian politics until someone figures out what the heck is going on. I was going to talk about a
00:12:17.420 bunch of things the Liberals were squaring up today, and that's not propaganda. They are not doing very
00:12:22.240 well on many policy fronts. There was an embarrassing interview with Gary Amasangri on CBC Power and
00:12:28.380 Politics because when David Cochran isn't the one interviewing people, the guy who fills in for him,
00:12:33.260 JP, actually does a really good job. The Liberals are trying to justify themselves on Bill C-9, which
00:12:39.000 just comes across as an anti-free speech hate bill. We have them screwing up when it comes to actually
00:12:44.940 cracking down on real gun crime from illegal firearms. The MOU motion vote just went terribly for the
00:12:51.600 Liberals. The budget's terrible. The trade situation is terrible. All the major projects are effectively
00:12:57.140 fake. Oh, but Michael Ma has to leave because, oh, they're so stable. Guys, they're so, they're so
00:13:03.220 dang stable. Mark Carney is like a rock. He's immovable. He is implacable. That is why he's literally
00:13:09.440 having to block his own MPs from talking to the media during, like, times when they're in the hallway and
00:13:14.880 they would normally get scrummed because this liberal government is on the rising road of
00:13:21.300 prosperity. It's so dumb. Somebody should genuinely investigate some of these MPs who are leaving
00:13:28.500 and actually get them on the record to actually say what is motivating them because I don't think
00:13:34.320 Michael Ma is leaving because of stability because right now it's about a 50-50 who would win another
00:13:39.880 election. And we're probably going to be having an election in 2026 unless Mark Carney can just
00:13:45.000 figure out a way of just making sure that another conservative MP or an NDP ends up crossing the
00:13:50.720 floor and joining his ranks. This is ridiculous. But that's the kind of country we chose to live in.
00:13:59.440 I still like Canada, but, you know, Canada is stressing me and it's making it difficult at times,
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00:14:56.120 justification. Am I greedy? I don't know. I'm just genuinely trying to make this thing work a little bit
00:15:01.140 better so that I'm not like stressing out about it. But yep, that's it. I hope nobody else leaves.
00:15:08.000 And I hope the Conservatives can pick up a new seat if one of these Liberals resigns and a by-election
00:15:13.280 is called. Honestly, at this point, I don't know if Aaron Gunn, who's rumored to be wanting to run
00:15:17.760 for the BC Conservative leadership, can leave right now because that riding could possibly go to the NDP
00:15:23.520 or the Liberals. It was like a three-way race between Aaron Gunn, the Liberal candidate, and the NDP.
00:15:28.620 I don't think he can do it anymore. Honestly, it's just that's not the situation the country is in.
00:15:34.700 And whatever by-election ends up getting triggered over the next few months, if one is, the Conservatives
00:15:40.520 need to throw heaven and earth into it. $100,000, $200,000, get every activist to show up, get every
00:15:47.300 single person who would ever consider voting Conservative to show up in that by-election because
00:15:52.060 it is getting really dire at this point if there's anyone else who decides that they might leave the
00:15:57.440 party. Anyways, that's it for me today, guys. I will see you all next time.