The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - June 19, 2024


Trudeau blows himself up interview about foreign interference


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Justin Trudeau's response to a question about foreign interference in his government is a perfect example of why he needs a teleprompter permanently stapled to his face, because he can't seem to answer a question that doesn't get him into even more trouble.

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00:00:00.000 So Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party of Canada just shot themselves in the foot again yesterday by letting the worst possible spokesperson for the party go out and answer questions about foreign interference.
00:00:13.780 That spokesperson was Justin Trudeau himself, and even in a semi-friendly interview with the CBC, Trudeau still sticks his foot in his mouth.
00:00:23.560 It's like this man needs a teleprompter permanently stapled to his face, or he doesn't know how to answer a question that doesn't get him into more trouble than he was already in.
00:00:33.540 Obviously, the Liberals knew that there was foreign interference going on in their government.
00:00:37.580 They know that there's lots of MPs who talk with foreign government officials and agents.
00:00:42.900 They didn't do anything about it. They're obviously guilty.
00:00:45.680 But at the same time, I'm almost frustrated watching Justin Trudeau not know how to play this from a communication standpoint.
00:00:53.980 Like, I'm happy he doesn't know how to play it because it makes everything worse for him.
00:00:58.020 But as someone who actually knows how politics works, even from the perspective of someone who's pretty honest like myself, I'm like, just lie better, Justin.
00:01:07.320 But let's get to this interview clip right here where Justin Trudeau is asked about the potential traitors inside his government.
00:01:13.700 Is it tenable to just go on without names attached to some of these allegations?
00:01:17.660 I mean, Jagmeet Singh has said that there's nobody in his caucus he needs to worry about.
00:01:22.260 Can you say the same thing with comfort and clarity?
00:01:28.100 I hadn't known that Jagmeet said that.
00:01:34.320 I would be wary of any party leader drawing any sort of conclusion like that.
00:01:39.820 Goodness! Who let this man do this interview?
00:01:42.380 You can even tell it's like he was surprised the question was asked.
00:01:47.300 And maybe that really tells you what the CBC is in the minds of the liberals, that Justin Trudeau assumed that when he walked onto this interview set, that they wouldn't ask him a single tough question about foreign interference.
00:02:00.860 Like, they were going to talk about it, but they were always going to give him a note.
00:02:04.180 And even then, that CBC interviewer is not really grilling him the way I think a better journalist would.
00:02:10.660 But considering that that softball question was too much for Justin Trudeau, it was deemed too critical, and he fumbled all over himself, you know that it's not just that obviously he and the liberals are up to something.
00:02:23.680 But not only is there a lot of smoke here, there's probably even more based on the fact that Trudeau couldn't say, yeah, if there's a few liberal MPs implicated and we get more evidence on them, we'll throw them out.
00:02:34.780 He couldn't say that because he probably knows it would implicate such a large portion of liberal MPs that they'd basically have to shut the party down.
00:02:43.260 Like, they should shut the party down.
00:02:45.360 But now I want to move on to a different liberal because Melanie Jolie also did a media interview, this time with CTV News on Question Period, trying to deflect all the criticism away from the liberal party by saying that anyone who's wanting to go down this foreign interference rabbit hole and expose names are in fact anti-democratic.
00:03:09.640 Check this out.
00:03:10.380 Are there, quote unquote, traitors to this country, as Jagmeet Singh put it, in the liberal caucus?
00:03:17.140 Listen, when I hear these loaded words, I feel that it's really...
00:03:22.780 Just say yes.
00:03:23.780 She basically means to say yes.
00:03:25.360 If when you're asked a question that directly and you start off with, listen, there are some charged words going around here.
00:03:32.660 Like, no, you're lying.
00:03:34.660 That's the problem here.
00:03:36.120 He hurting our democracy.
00:03:37.980 Because...
00:03:38.540 I need to go back there so you can hear that.
00:03:40.080 Hear these loaded words.
00:03:42.480 I feel that it's really hurting our democracy.
00:03:45.940 It's hurting our democracy, guys, that we might unmask potential traitors in our government.
00:03:52.060 Obviously, nobody wants anyone named if the allegation is like one person saying that somebody said who somebody said who somebody said that they're corrupt.
00:04:01.040 If we have solid evidence, if we have solid evidence, we should be making it public.
00:04:04.840 She doesn't really care how solid the evidence is.
00:04:07.620 She doesn't want anyone unmasked at all because that's mostly going to hurt the liberal party. 0.99
00:04:11.700 Because fundamentally, foreign interference is a real thing.
00:04:15.580 It's been happening for years.
00:04:17.640 Now, it's more of an issue because also of disinformation, misinformation online.
00:04:22.860 But all democracies in the world are facing this.
00:04:26.060 I'm talking about this with my colleagues of different democracies, particularly amongst the G7.
00:04:31.520 And we are the country that is the most forward leading on this issue.
00:04:36.320 We're the only country having a public inquiry on this.
00:04:40.260 And the goal is...
00:04:41.520 Okay, okay, no, no, no.
00:04:43.180 We're leading the charge on this issue because we have the most overt foreign interference.
00:04:49.180 Yes, foreign interference goes on in every country.
00:04:52.240 The problem we're having in Canada is it seems like the government knows about it, doesn't care,
00:04:57.460 and is potentially benefiting from the connections that individual members of the government have.
00:05:02.840 That's the problem here.
00:05:04.220 I always hate, too, when we internationalize an issue, it's like inflation.
00:05:07.820 We act like, well, inflation is no big deal in Canada because everyone else has inflation.
00:05:12.440 Well, it doesn't matter if everyone made the same stupid mistake.
00:05:15.820 It doesn't alleviate you of having someone say,
00:05:20.020 why did you print 40% of all the money that's in the market right now in the last four years?
00:05:24.760 That's something that should be asked.
00:05:26.940 But what she's doing is basically saying two wrongs make a who cares.
00:05:32.420 And I don't believe that because I'm not shallow.
00:05:35.360 It's to shed light on the issue and also to find solution.
00:05:39.560 But the goal is not also to not make it a partisan issue.
00:05:44.120 Is that what you're accusing Jagmeet Singh of doing by using that language?
00:05:47.420 No, I'm accusing Pierre Polyev of doing that.
00:05:50.300 Because even then she can't even go after Jagmeet Singh,
00:05:53.580 who's been actually the more pointed one on this matter than Pierre Polyev,
00:05:57.900 because obviously Polyev has like a dozen issues that he strikes out at.
00:06:01.060 And this is like the one thing that Jagmeet Singh is really focusing on.
00:06:04.600 But because Jagmeet Singh is their partner in government,
00:06:07.200 even though he's the main person attacking them,
00:06:09.900 they're like, no, no, no, I have no problem with Jagmeet Singh.
00:06:12.660 But that Pierre Polyev guy, horrible, horrible.
00:06:15.320 I can't believe he doesn't like that we're basically giving the CCP
00:06:20.520 an inside look into our government and giving them executive power
00:06:24.520 over what kind of policy is being passed in Canada.
00:06:28.520 I can't believe he would call us out on that. It's so partisan.
00:06:32.460 Fundamentally, what we need to make sure is that everybody has the same facts.
00:06:37.260 So Pierre Polyev right now, the Conservatives,
00:06:39.480 are not taking the briefing on NSI COP, on this forum.
00:06:43.740 Pierre Polyev himself hasn't taken the briefing,
00:06:46.040 because if you take the briefing, you're basically signing an NDA
00:06:48.540 to not speak about any part of it.
00:06:50.860 Multiple Conservatives, or at least two,
00:06:53.300 have taken the security clearance to see what was in it.
00:06:56.000 And they're not allowed to tell anyone about it,
00:06:58.280 which proves the rule of how useless it is
00:07:00.660 in order to even look at the documents past what the public's allowed to see.
00:07:04.960 That is the problem people are having.
00:07:07.020 But they're going to keep using these process issues,
00:07:10.160 these little pesky process things that they can throw at Pierre Polyev
00:07:14.920 as armor against the fact that they're literally in bed
00:07:19.100 with the Chinese government, probably the Pakistani government,
00:07:22.480 the Iranian government, and probably many more.
00:07:24.860 Foreign Affairs Committee that lots of people have been talking about,
00:07:28.500 and that's what we're talking for those watching us right now.
00:07:31.660 And he's not taking the briefing.
00:07:34.140 He doesn't want to have access to confidential secret information,
00:07:38.580 while other parties' members and other, you know,
00:07:42.040 basically other parties have decided to take it.
00:07:45.240 And right now, he's making it a partisan issue,
00:07:49.240 and also saying, basically, if foreign interference is happening in his own caucus,
00:07:54.140 he won't do anything about it.
00:07:55.540 And I think those are very real questions to ask the Conservatives.
00:07:59.140 They're actually not, because he actually never said that he wouldn't kick somebody out
00:08:02.200 if they were involved in foreign interference.
00:08:03.980 He would just have to say,
00:08:05.080 I'd have to see what the evidence was,
00:08:06.400 and then I'd kick them out based on what the evidence was,
00:08:08.260 which is a perfectly fair thing to say.
00:08:10.000 Justin Trudeau won't commit to kicking anybody out,
00:08:13.040 no matter what the evidence is.
00:08:15.220 And the, goodness, this really demonstrates the terrible caliber of
00:08:19.500 legacy media we have in this country,
00:08:21.520 that the host just says, well, those are some valid questions.
00:08:24.700 No, they're not.
00:08:25.700 They're nonsense excuses to not talk about the implications for the Liberal Party,
00:08:30.500 who everybody knows is the vast,
00:08:33.140 will include the vast majority of compromised politicians.
00:08:36.480 There could be a Conservative,
00:08:38.420 there could be someone from the NDP and Jagmeet's just lying about it.
00:08:41.240 There could be a Green, there could be a Block MP.
00:08:44.640 But the thing is, we probably know it's 80% Liberals.
00:08:47.920 And these questions are just ways of distracting from the real questions
00:08:51.620 we should be asking about, and the host doesn't care.
00:08:53.940 And ask the Conservatives, and I have been asking the Conservatives,
00:08:56.660 but my question to you was about the content of what Jagmeet said
00:08:59.380 and how it applies to the Liberal Caucus in particular.
00:09:03.200 He used the language that there were traitors to this country.
00:09:07.340 And I'm asking you very pointedly, and you didn't provide an answer,
00:09:10.640 whether or not there are any people in the Liberal Caucus
00:09:15.180 who are acting on behalf of foreign countries.
00:09:18.600 Listen, if that was the case, they would be out of the Liberal Caucus
00:09:21.460 and they should be out of every single party.
00:09:23.240 And that's why my job as Minister of Foreign Affairs is I,
00:09:28.500 if I see anything that is linked to foreign diplomats not staying in their lane,
00:09:33.680 not abiding by the Vienna Convention, not basically meddling in our democracy,
00:09:40.680 I set them packing.
00:09:42.160 Ask her if she's read the report too.
00:09:44.880 I doubt either she has and she's lying,
00:09:47.440 or she's only able to say that they'd be out if there were any
00:09:51.080 is only because she's not read it either,
00:09:53.180 or at least has basically pretended she has not read it.
00:09:56.120 The idea that we have about 10 MPs or Senators
00:09:59.140 that are implicated potentially more,
00:10:01.680 and that she's going to pretend not one of them is from the current government,
00:10:05.480 that doesn't even make sense from a logical standpoint.
00:10:08.360 If we had compromised people in Parliament,
00:10:10.940 it's very unlikely those compromised people
00:10:13.380 are going to come from some small opposition party,
00:10:17.220 because the opposition can't do anything.
00:10:20.820 So naturally, if there are compromised people,
00:10:23.120 it's going to be closer to the current government
00:10:25.240 than like a conservative backbencher or whatever.
00:10:28.820 Even the NDP is fairly useless.
00:10:31.380 Obviously, it's going to be taking place within the Liberal government,
00:10:35.260 but you can tell how uncomfortable she is
00:10:37.360 even having to spin out that lie
00:10:39.320 that totally we would have kicked anyone out
00:10:41.220 if there was any implications of like foreign interference.
00:10:44.500 Well, they got rid of Handong at one point, 1.00
00:10:47.000 so it's not too crazy of an idea that there are other people,
00:10:50.380 but Melanie Jolie is just going to effectively delay us knowing anything on this.
00:10:55.220 She'll come out and say,
00:10:56.280 I didn't know that there were so many people involved
00:11:00.180 with the Chinese or Iranian government
00:11:02.160 in two months' time when this has all been exposed,
00:11:05.300 and I hope people save these clips
00:11:07.280 and they throw them in her face, 0.97
00:11:08.880 because this is just absolutely...
00:11:12.380 I don't even know what to call it.
00:11:13.520 It's just stupid.
00:11:14.500 It's just stupid behavior.
00:11:16.320 Like, we all know what's happening.
00:11:17.720 It's just gaslighting us to pretend that,
00:11:19.880 no, guys, don't worry.
00:11:21.200 I've peeked behind the screen,
00:11:23.740 and we're actually clean.
00:11:25.000 We investigated ourselves,
00:11:26.360 and we're coming out to tell you
00:11:27.900 that we've not done anything wrong.
00:11:30.040 Don't worry.
00:11:30.580 Justin Trudeau said that Justin Trudeau
00:11:32.500 hasn't done a thing wrong in his entire prime ministership,
00:11:35.360 because in the minds of the Liberals,
00:11:37.000 they haven't had any scandals yet.
00:11:39.200 And so I think we could probably say
00:11:41.380 they're not going to be the best judges
00:11:42.600 on if they've actually engaged in foreign interference or not,
00:11:46.780 or they've allowed it,
00:11:47.820 because this is not just an issue
00:11:49.120 of potentially 10 liberal politicians.
00:11:51.540 It's going to be an issue
00:11:53.040 of a systemic allowance of foreign interference
00:11:56.180 inside the liberal government.
00:11:58.080 There's no chance in my mind
00:11:59.660 that Justin Trudeau has not known about this
00:12:01.440 for more than a year.
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