The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Trudeau Has Destroyed Canada's Reputation Abroad (Ft. Spencer Fernando)

00:00:00.000 Well, this has been a very interesting week. I remember when I first invited Spencer Fernando on to come and talk about foreign policy just a few days ago that I thought it was going to be a boring episode, not boring, but, you know, like very like focused episode talking about Justin Trudeau's attitudes and behavior on the world stage because of the India trip.

00:00:18.800 But then when he got home, he absolutely shredded his own credibility and made the show far more interesting by randomly accusing the Indian government of potentially assassinating a Kalistani activist in Surrey, B.C.

00:00:32.860 So I guess I have to thank Justin Trudeau for helping out the podcast.

00:00:36.820 But it's great today to have both Daniel Boardman, another TNT contributor on this show, as well as Spencer Fernando guesting to talk about foreign policy, the most underrated area of Canadian politics.

00:00:49.300 I don't think enough people talk about. But before we get into some of the issues this week, I just wanted to maybe give Spencer the opportunity to introduce himself.

00:00:57.240 You know what you know, what's your website? What do you do? Maybe a little bit of your background.

00:01:01.220 Yeah, well, I have a website, spencerfernando.com. I also write for the National Citizens Coalition and I used to be involved in party politics.

00:01:09.980 You know, I got involved in a few different political parties. I was relatively outspoken, which unless you're right at the top of political parties, they tend to not be big fans of.

00:01:17.820 So I got myself into trouble a few times. Then I thought, well, I may as well try to make a career out of, you know, sharing my opinions as opposed to getting fired for them.

00:01:25.140 So I did that and it's worked out, you know, decently well. You're right.

00:01:29.040 Well, you're you're you're just like me then, because I got fired from the post millennial for sharing my opinions in a way that was slightly better than a different than a different employee there.

00:01:39.060 I can say whatever I want. The ownership is now changed to human events. So whatever.

00:01:43.700 Oh, and then I just want to quickly like introduce Daniel, because Daniel has been on fire the last couple of days when it comes to Indian media,

00:01:50.800 because since Justin Trudeau randomly decided to whack Modi in the nose and sort of, I guess, accuse like India of infiltrating Canada and just killing people because of like because like Daniel actually knows a thing or two about Indian politics and this Calistani movement.

00:02:09.420 He's been invited on pretty much every single Indian news show over the past couple of days and basically become India's Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro at the same time.

00:02:18.860 Anyways. Yeah. Maybe you want to introduce yourself, Daniel, because I haven't been uploading as many videos from you on the channel.

00:02:24.300 Well, yes. Returning champion. Welcome back. I am currently going viral in India. My phone is buzzing in my pocket the last 48 hours.

00:02:30.660 Yeah. I've been I've been rambling about a lot of things, but I've been yelling to avoid in the Calistani issue for years now. 0.94

00:02:38.320 No one seemed to care. You know, I I kind of went viral the first time in India back in the Article 370 thing before the pandemic.

00:02:45.460 So this isn't my first foray into, you know, Indian politics getting yelled at by Pakistan and the like.

00:02:52.020 But I just like, you know, I made some tweets. They did well. And I just like woke up the one like yesterday morning pretty frustrated with how stupid this whole thing is.

00:03:00.200 Like this is the worst foreign policy mistake. Like I've seen I said since 2015, the Iran deal is just ridiculous. 1.00

00:03:06.580 But this is the second worst thing I've ever seen. And I just like grabbed a coffee and I was just like 15 minutes like, all right. 0.52

00:03:11.100 And then like that went viral in India. It has a million views. And then like I got on all these Indian like spaces and TV shows.

00:03:19.520 And then like I went on with like the Rachel Maddow of India. Apparently the first Indian TV interview I get is like with the most far left guy.

00:03:26.520 I didn't know him. He didn't know me. He just brings me on. And then like, oh, he's from Canada.

00:03:30.740 And I just like went hard and they're like, oh, strong words, commercial break.

00:03:35.100 But then like that went viral. He's like everyone was like, it's like, you know, if someone came on the CBC and like an Indian guy just came on the CBC and like told Rosemary Barden, like, you know, what's India like?

00:03:45.480 Like we hate Trudeau. We hate like me. And just like went super bass. And like Rosemary Barden was like deer in headlights.

00:03:50.300 That was like the Indian version of what happened. So that's been my life. 0.57

00:03:53.720 And I've been just ranting about Trudeau and trying to explain how silly Canada is to a billion people. 0.97

00:04:00.420 And they're loving it or terrified. I'm not sure. Some of them like it. 0.97

00:04:03.580 Some of them are more terrified. But needless to say, Canada's not in a good geopolitical situation and we can get we can get into that and and all that.

00:04:11.520 But that that's my my origin story of the week is, yeah, I just I have producers of like every Indian TV show being like, this is the one white guy who knows what a calisthenia is.

00:04:21.260 Let's let's bring him on. Yeah, I only I only know about it from being from being a proxy to you and then having you.

00:04:28.360 It'd be one of the people on the phone who will listen when I be like, the calisthenia is this and they made a video trying to kill everyone.

00:04:33.540 And why will no one take it down? Yeah, that was that's that's how I learned about the calisthenia is me just ranting about the videos they're making and why are we allowing this?

00:04:41.040 So, yeah. Well, anyways, the reason I want to have Spencer on today, I want to kind of go back a little bit and start from Justin Trudeau's the initial trip at the G20,

00:04:51.860 because that was kind of what the entire podcast was going to be about.

00:04:55.840 But I just wanted to get your guys opinion as well as express my own opinion just about the way that Justin Trudeau has been kind of dealing with foreign policy and foreign affairs since he's taken office. 0.98

00:05:06.540 Because although it's it's the it's the generic opinion to say he's silly, he's frivolous, he goes to he goes to India in 2018 and dresses up like a goof and then makes him like Canada look foolish.

00:05:17.680 But a lot of people just don't understand the kind of very ideological, like the very ideological, I guess, approach Justin Trudeau actually has to foreign policy. 0.83

00:05:29.620 He's not a frivolous person. He actually has a specific ideological love for underdog groups in a certain sense.

00:05:37.160 So that's where I feel like he'll just bring just Paul Atwal to India and not think it's a second about it because he just thinks that the Sikhs must. 0.99

00:05:44.860 You're right. I think this needs further explanation. For those who don't remember Jasper Atwal, this is the terrorist that Trudeau invited to India in 2018.

00:05:53.380 This terrorist was convicted in a Canadian court of trying to assassinate an Indian political official who's convicted in our court system.

00:06:01.340 And we invited him to India. So if you understand why the Indians were talking about the threat of government enabling a Calistani extremism, 0.95

00:06:08.040 remember, if you think that's, oh, them just being right wing blustering, like, no, we literally invited a convicted Calistani extremist who tried to kill one of their officials on an official visit.

00:06:17.700 He tried to kill one of our own officials, too. He tried to kill the premier of BC because he was an Indian who was or he was anti-Calistan.

00:06:25.160 Yeah. Yeah. So it just so if you understand, like, where India's frustration builds up, you know, it's this where like we're enabling in India's view,

00:06:35.260 we're enabling a hostile foreign movement in the Calistani movement, which is alive and well in Canada, but not in the Punjab region, which is where it's supposed to be.

00:06:43.840 So, yeah, you have this ridiculous thing. And this is where India is so mad. 1.00

00:06:48.100 And then and then you layer onto that, the all the other foreign interference and then trying to get out of it. 0.85

00:06:52.240 The fact that Jagmeet Singh's in the coalition, he's banned from India. He's an ideological Calistani. 0.99

00:06:56.660 He's met with some extremists before. He's already concluded the investigation.

00:07:00.220 Jagmeet's figured out the culprit. Jagmeet's on a plane right now with handcuffs to bring Nadir Modi to a Canadian jail.

00:07:06.180 Like he's got he's got to the bottom of this. No more investigation. Jagmeet's found the culprit.

00:07:09.940 It's the entire Indian government. He's coming for you. 1.00

00:07:11.820 So, yeah, I just want to I just want to jump over to you, Spencer.

00:07:15.840 What would you say is maybe the kind of ideological frame that Justin Trudeau has when it comes to foreign policy?

00:07:22.700 Or what is his kind of greatest weakness at the moment?

00:07:26.620 In the sense, I don't think we could really point to any strengths other than trying to, I guess, make make Panda more friendly with people we shouldn't be friendly with.

00:07:34.440 Yeah, well, I think the the big weakness in terms of the effect on the country is that he's somewhat anti-Western in his outlook and he leads a Western country.

00:07:46.420 Right. So he leads a country that is, you know, should have values in common with the United States, with the United Kingdom, Australia, the Anglosphere.

00:07:54.720 But he he doesn't see that as a good thing.

00:07:57.400 You know, he thinks Canada is a genocidal colonial estate.

00:08:00.280 He said that he accused the country of committing an ongoing genocide while he was in power, which he think would make him someone who's committed crimes.

00:08:07.480 He called to crimes humanity publicly.

00:08:09.580 Yeah. So he's basically accusing himself of being in charge of a genocidal state.

00:08:14.140 And so, you know, as you say, he's a fan of underdog groups.

00:08:16.920 But of course, his view of underdog is, you know, the Chinese Communist Party, which is the biggest political organization on Earth, a massive, ruthless, oppressive government.

00:08:24.740 And so he has this this kind of problem where strategically he obviously needs to govern Canada in a way that keeps us close to the United States, close to our traditional allies.

00:08:33.400 But that's not really where his heart and his mind is.

00:08:36.060 And so you see this tension where, you know, I'm not a big fan of Chrystia Freeland, but you get the sense that she's at least kind of pro-American, right?

00:08:43.460 She's a pro-American Democrat and somewhat reasonable in terms of her views.

00:08:48.080 Trudeau's very he's not at all like that.

00:08:50.160 Right. So there's a tension within the Liberal Party and the government itself.

00:08:53.360 And again, you know, I'm sure we'll get into it.

00:08:54.820 But you look at how quickly he was willing to jump on India. 0.64

00:08:57.920 You know, the second he had anything he thought he could talk about, whom he makes says in a parliament makes it a huge international issue.

00:09:03.420 Well, what about the the two Chinese nationals kicked out of the microbiology lab?

00:09:08.220 How come we haven't heard anything about that?

00:09:09.940 He doesn't want to talk about that.

00:09:11.300 He doesn't want to talk about China at all.

00:09:12.900 So I think people are noticing the discrepancy between how he handles, you know, Chinese foreign interference and then India.

00:09:20.260 And maybe this is a good question for both of you to jump back and forth on.

00:09:24.060 What do you think is more is more heavily motivating Justin Trudeau right now when it comes to his approach to just foreign policy and especially now this India issue?

00:09:33.800 Is it political motives, domestic political motives, or is it just purely we're just seeing how how he would like to interact on the world stage of sort of picking winners and losers based on ideological favor and whatnot, not actual, you know, long term, you know, alliances and demonstrations that you're an actual good ally?

00:09:55.300 Yeah, I mean, so I mean, I've tried to answer this question all day, everyone asked this, like, explain Justin Trudeau's decision making, essentially, you can't, you cannot explain Justin Trudeau's decision making here.

00:10:08.320 There is no rhyme or reason to be doing what he's doing.

00:10:11.600 Maybe it's personal vendetta.

00:10:13.020 Maybe, you know, you know, the Calistanis are running this.

00:10:16.620 Who knows, but none of this makes any sense.

00:10:19.320 He's put us in the worst position we've ever seen.

00:10:22.080 Like, if you want to start a geopolitical fight with someone.

00:10:26.480 OK, now try not to start them with your allies.

00:10:29.080 So Canada is allied with India.

00:10:30.540 We're starting a fight with a geopolitical ally with lots of power, a billion people.

00:10:34.940 We only hedge against China that possibly exists in the world. 1.00

00:10:38.900 And we share similar alliances.

00:10:40.720 We're both from the common man.

00:10:41.780 So the UK, the US, Australia.

00:10:43.500 When we accuse India of being a threat to Western democracies through extrajudicial assassinations, that's a big claim. 1.00

00:10:51.900 And if you want other countries to take your side and, you know, back them and force the Indians to apologize and do a thing and maintain trade deals, you need to come with some evidence. 0.72

00:10:59.680 You need to come with a smoking gun.

00:11:01.480 If you're going to kick an Indian diplomat out, right, remember how hard it was for us to get him to kick the Chinese diplomat out who had threatened Michael Chong's family?

00:11:08.660 So before the investigation concluded, we got a diplomat coming out and we got this.

00:11:12.600 So logically, the Americans and the Australians asked, why?

00:11:18.040 Why should we back you?

00:11:19.340 And Trudeau said, yo, trust me, bro.

00:11:21.360 And then they were like, no, we're not cutting ties with India based on your word.

00:11:26.080 So the Australians told us to chill out.

00:11:28.100 The Americans want to see more evidence.

00:11:30.460 You don't want to see more evidence.

00:11:31.400 And that's the reasonable thing.

00:11:33.080 It's like no one's going to back Canada, a country of 40 million people, against a country of a billion people based on the word of Justin Trudeau and some intelligence report when he just spent the last month attacking the intelligence agencies for trying to report on the Chinese internet.

00:11:46.400 So this is industrial level gaslighting by the liberal government.

00:11:50.140 And can I explain their motivations?

00:11:52.600 No.

00:11:52.960 Do you want to think like Justin Trudeau?

00:11:54.640 Ram your head into a wall 15 times and then, you know, take a microphone and see what comes out.

00:11:58.220 Like that's all I can offer you.

00:12:00.140 One thing I was going to quickly just say before I jump back over to Spencer is that it was funny on the first day when Trudeau announced this, that there was potentially an extra judicial killing.

00:12:10.160 And like India is heavily suspected, Polyev and the conservatives were willing to come out on that day and say, well, this is awful.

00:12:16.200 If it's true, blah, blah, blah.

00:12:17.500 No Canadian should ever be killed on Canadian soil, even though he apparently isn't a Canadian.

00:12:21.700 But then I've seen other reports that say he apparently is.

00:12:23.980 So Miller came out and said he's been a Canadian since 2007 now.

00:12:27.300 OK, well, anyways, but since since yeah, like but then yesterday, Polyev felt confident enough to come back out and say, well, where is the evidence?

00:12:35.780 And I guarantee if you're the opposition leader and there was evidence, you would have been shown right away.

00:12:40.740 Unless like, you know, Justin Trudeau, which I don't think he's capable of, is playing 3D chess and trying to bait out Polyev into saying it's not real and then giving all the evidence.

00:12:48.660 I think that's just not there.

00:12:50.140 But yeah, Spencer, what do you think is Trudeau's motivation here?

00:12:52.880 Well, I think, you know, I think with the conservatives, I think what happened was I think Polyev was kind of pressured almost.

00:13:01.120 I think Trudeau went to him at the last minute and said, hey, look at this.

00:13:03.780 You know, Canadian citizen was killed by India.

00:13:05.440 This is terrible.

00:13:06.100 I'm going to go make an announcement.

00:13:07.540 And then some kind of pressures Polyev to have to say something.

00:13:10.600 Right.

00:13:10.760 So, you know, this he kind of changed a little bit.

00:13:12.800 It's like he had a he slept on it, got up and was like, wait a minute.

00:13:16.180 This this was this is moving a little bit quick.

00:13:18.160 You know, let's see some evidence.

00:13:19.120 And Trudeau himself, it's interesting, he toned down his rhetoric a lot the second day or if he had a few calls with the U.S. and the U.K. or somebody.

00:13:26.500 But in terms of motivation, I think part of it is that it's it's Trudeau's own ideology and that it mixes with domestic politics.

00:13:32.260 Right. I mean, there's a big, obviously, voter base in Canada of Chinese Canadians, many of whom, of course, are not fans of the Chinese Communist Party, but some, of course, who are.

00:13:41.200 And so Trudeau has found that he could both be pro China, which is ideologically where he wants to be, and he could get some votes from it.

00:13:48.080 And same with the issue of, you know, supporting, you know, he doesn't openly support the Calistan movement, but obviously very friendly towards it with his rhetoric and what happens in the country.

00:13:57.460 And so that also works because there's a lot of people in the country who support that.

00:14:01.020 So you can get votes that way. So it's a bit of that going on.

00:14:03.660 But I think it's also just, you know, you look at his father.

00:14:05.820 His father was a big fan of Fidel Castro.

00:14:08.060 His father was a big fan of the Chinese Communist Party at the most ruthless moment.

00:14:11.700 I mean, he was a fan of the Chinese Communist Party when Mao was in power and killing millions of people.

00:14:16.980 And so I think that's just who Trudeau is.

00:14:19.100 That's that's just what he believes.

00:14:20.460 That's how he thinks.

00:14:21.660 And so, you know, he sometimes he's able to suppress it when he gets pressure from the U.S.

00:14:25.500 or other allies or when there's pressure from his own caucus.

00:14:28.020 But I think overall, he just always drips back towards a very pro China, anti Western, anti India position.

00:14:33.880 And that's what we're seeing again.

00:14:36.080 Yeah, I think one thing that this seems to be tracking very closely to is the way that Justin

00:14:41.520 Trudeau, and this is where I'm going to go back to the G20 and why I think that even sans this whole accusation of murder thing.

00:14:48.280 I think that what Trudeau messed up on when he went to India at the G20 is not just his previous trip in 2018 where he brings a convicted terrorist with him.

00:14:57.240 But but what he really messed up on at this G20 event was that he thought he could do the same thing he did to the Polish prime minister,

00:15:05.360 as well as the Italian prime minister, George Maloney, where he went in and basically, you know, pointed his finger at them, said, you guys aren't good enough on social issues.

00:15:14.040 You guys aren't progressive like me.

00:15:15.400 And he was thinking that he could maybe win some points with the Canadian media and the international press by being this very loud, outspoken, progressive leader who's going to take it to all these social conservatives.

00:15:26.360 So I think in India, he was going to see if he could maybe bring up this idea that the Indian government might have killed a Sikh individual in Canada and like, you know,

00:15:37.300 you put his finger in Modi's chest and said, well, you guys got to do better.

00:15:40.720 See, all the things I've done to you aren't nearly as bad when I've thrown this little accusation at you.

00:15:46.120 So I think it's a lot of what Justin Trudeau has been doing on the international stage feels like a reactionary response to the fact that he's losing popularity and that he needs to find some sort of external enemy that he can have a fight with

00:15:59.180 and maybe accuse the conservatives of not properly backing up their own country if they don't end up backing him up.

00:16:04.820 But maybe now we should sort of talk a little bit about sort of who this Hardeep Singh Nijjar guy is, as well as why the Calistani movement is such a big deal in Canada.

00:16:17.040 Because I think a lot of people are probably thinking, why are we talking about international politics in Canada?

00:16:23.320 I see comments all the time.

00:16:25.200 They're like, why are we even discussing this?

00:16:27.340 And a lot of people don't quite understand about how much of a hub that Canada has become for different extremist groups, including the Calistani movement.

00:16:37.800 But I think that's probably a good thing for you to end up explaining, Daniel.

00:16:42.340 Yeah, I mean, how did we get here?

00:16:44.620 You know, quick background, like this all kicked up in the 1980s, if you feel politics 101, India, Pakistan, not France.

00:16:51.600 So in the 80s, the Pakistanis sort of funded this Calistani movement that was, you know, doing violence all over India.

00:16:58.960 Now it's like, and the point of the, when we say Calistan, the Calistanis are advocating for a separate region, Sikh state carved out from India in the Punjab region.

00:17:08.680 So that's on the India-Pakistan border.

00:17:10.860 In 1984, there was like Operation Blue Star, where they took these terrorists out of a, but they held up in the Sikh holy site.

00:17:17.440 They took them out.

00:17:18.180 There was Sikh people involved in Operation Blue Star from the Indian government side.

00:17:21.800 Then Indra Gandhi was assassinated by her two Sikh bodyguards. 0.99

00:17:24.860 They started anti-Sikh riots across the country.

00:17:26.500 And like, this was the framework of the 1980s. 0.86

00:17:28.780 And then internationally in Canada, when the World Sikh Organization was found, they're going to kill 50,000 Hindus.

00:17:34.680 And they start promising planes will fall from the skies.

00:17:37.080 What happened?

00:17:37.540 The Canadian plane Air India 182 fell from the sky, blown up by a Calistani terrorist set in Canada. 1.00

00:17:44.880 One guy was convicted.

00:17:46.180 The others all walked.

00:17:47.760 The judge threw out the testimonies of people who testified against the group because they didn't testify in person because they were assassinated before they could testify.

00:17:55.200 So he threw out their affidavits.

00:17:56.620 Insane.

00:17:57.100 Absolutely insane.

00:17:58.140 So from that point on, we've been enabling the growth of Calistanis by just not really showing any consequences, kind of ignoring it.

00:18:05.360 There's been goudoirs who have put out, like, hit lists on Indian politicians and policemen.

00:18:11.360 There's been posters of glorious martyrs who assassinated these people in some of these radical Calistani mosques.

00:18:17.820 And this is picked up.

00:18:20.140 So, you know, the number one concern for Canadians here is domestic ethnic violence, right?

00:18:24.960 You have groups of radicals promising ethnic violence against another group in Canada.

00:18:29.080 You can't have that.

00:18:30.000 You can't have.

00:18:30.960 I've seen these Calistani mobs harassing. 1.00

00:18:32.900 It's not good.

00:18:34.320 And then on the other end, for everyone else, well, a lot of the Calistanis, especially, have been involved in organized crime.

00:18:40.380 This is just another open secret thing we're not talking about.

00:18:43.240 Oh, Harjip Sinanar was killed.

00:18:45.040 He's a Calistani leader, Sikh leader.

00:18:46.600 It's like, I don't, like, listen, I don't know anything about him and his family or whatever.

00:18:50.480 But as equally likely, let's say, as this being a clandestine assassination by the Indian government to take out this one random guy in Canada, it could be equally as likely that this could be turf war gang violence between these different rival factions in Canada.

00:19:04.600 Because the Calistanis have gotten into a lot of the organized crime here because, you know, you give a bunch of extremism men things to do, and it's not...

00:19:11.480 The fact that they're also involved in organized crime tends to be a good piece of evidence that the vast majority of the Sikh community does not support them financially because they don't want to get involved. 0.54

00:19:21.360 Yeah, exactly.

00:19:21.940 So, I mean, like, there's this myth I've seen a lot, especially in India, like, oh, this vote bank politics, that's true, trying to get all the Sikhs. 1.00

00:19:29.360 It's like, if you actually look at, like, Stephen Harper did an excellent job growing the Sikh base in the Conservative Party, and he did it without the Calistanis. 1.00

00:19:35.400 He just went to Sikh communities, talked to them like regular human beings, gave them the conservative spiel, which is individual rights, liberty, you came for a better thing, you know, lower taxes, families, whatever.

00:19:46.380 And this worked on Sikh people because it works on a lot of people, and, you know, the involvement of Sikhs in Conservative politics really took off.

00:19:53.500 So you can get the Sikh vote without going to these radical goudoirs. 0.96

00:19:58.080 So we're not...

00:19:58.920 So it's...

00:19:59.540 The Sikh vote is actually not concentrated in these Calistanis.

00:20:03.160 Now, maybe there's more money in the Calistanis.

00:20:05.940 Maybe they have more access to political funding, and that's more important.

00:20:09.220 Like, this could be another thing.

00:20:10.880 But in terms of, like, you can...

00:20:12.620 Yeah, we...

00:20:13.460 Yeah, the Calistani movement isn't a top of mind of every Canadian.

00:20:16.820 And if you're not a Hindu Indian, I get why. 1.00

00:20:19.760 Like, they're not coming after you.

00:20:21.360 But these are problems, and if you leave them unaddressed for decades, as we've done, well, then you start to metastasize.

00:20:29.760 And then you get more Calistanis in government.

00:20:31.120 And then you get Jagmeet Singh, and then you get to this thing where you have the Prime Minister of Canada, who I think Spencer's right, listening to his own political ideology.

00:20:37.060 I think there's a bunch of lefties, anti-India, anti-Western people in the Liberal Party as well.

00:20:41.260 I think there's some adults, but I don't think Trudeau's the only Trudeau there.

00:20:44.280 And then, you know, he just starts taking potshots in India without thinking of the consequences.

00:20:49.160 And now Canada's in a major diplomatic spat.

00:20:52.260 We might be on the outs with our allies because we've allowed this Calistani movement to fester and grow in our country. 1.00

00:20:58.600 So, yeah, it didn't really affect any non-Hindu people for 30 years or so.

00:21:03.200 But now it does.

00:21:04.200 Now it affects all of us.

00:21:05.220 And this is a failure of Canadian society to address serious issues.

00:21:09.880 And so this is kind of from my perspective, but it almost kind of feels like, especially when you contrast it with the way that Justin Trudeau dealt with the CCP in Canada, with all the interference issues,

00:21:22.980 that it almost feels as if he's almost trying to intentionally build up China, be soft on them and be harder on India because he wants to have this kind of, I guess, like either he wants China to be more powerful than India or he wants them to basically always be stuck in a deadlock because of his maybe crazy equity kind of a mindset.

00:21:44.220 And maybe, Spencer, you'd want to answer that of what do you kind of think?

00:21:47.780 Do you think he's trying to undermine India or is this more of like a specific just ideological thing?

00:21:54.040 Again, I know you kind of already said it's mostly ideological, but in the context of India and trade issues, it felt like it's almost intentional of Trudeau nuking a trade deal.

00:22:05.100 Yeah, well, I think it's also, you know, political survival for him and the liberals.

00:22:09.960 I think, you know, you have to kind of read between the lines, you know, if the liberals, they've been getting absolutely just killed on, you know,

00:22:16.580 blocking the inquiry and how they're obviously afraid of talking about Chinese, you know, foreign interference.

00:22:22.380 If they had an easy answer to it, they could have eased the political pressure and held themselves to the polls by just saying, OK, we're going to have an inquiry, we're going to look into it.

00:22:28.680 The fact that they don't want to do that tells you that there's a lot that they know.

00:22:31.700 If people look into it, they're going to look pretty terrible.

00:22:34.340 But now what they can say is, oh, well, we're just having a broad look at, you know, foreign interference.

00:22:38.780 It's not just a China issue. Oh, it's India. It's really a big problem. 0.99

00:22:41.740 I mean, Jagmeet Singh obviously wants to do that. He already sent a letter, you know, to the person leading the inquiry saying, oh, you have to look at India as well.

00:22:49.760 And so he's just they're just going to muddy the waters and say, oh, well, it's not a China specific problem.

00:22:53.600 You know, every country is interfering. India is interfering. It's an equal problem. 0.99

00:22:56.800 And just hope that most people, you know, Canadians will look at it and say, well, it looks like every country is trying to screw with our elections or whatever.

00:23:02.640 It's just a big mess. Who knows?

00:23:03.840 Because, you know, they'll say, oh, look, Harper's promoting the IDU, which has become kind of the left for the left, right?

00:23:09.500 The IDU apparently controls every conservative party in the world, the conspiracy for the left.

00:23:14.700 But they'll just muddy the waters, try to make the issue go away.

00:23:17.500 And Jagmeet Singh obviously wants to help with that.

00:23:19.980 Do you think they also just want to drag out an investigation into India and they don't actually want to get to the bottom of it?

00:23:24.980 And this is going to be one of those kind of boogeymen that can always be behind the scenes, because I know there's already leftist media going after Shubha Jumdar, who just entered parliament because he happens to be decently supportive of, you know, Modi's more aggressive stance on extremist groups and whatnot.

00:23:41.460 Yeah, they're going to play politics with it, obviously.

00:23:43.780 And they're going to I mean, it's, you know, again, I think they're very scared of the links they have with China, having that investigated.

00:23:51.640 And so I think if they can make it look like it's just a big problem with every country interfering, obviously, they'll talk about Russia, the United States.

00:23:57.760 I mean, I've even seen liberals saying we have to talk about foreign interference from the United States is if there's some sort of, you know, ethical or moral link between America interfering in Canada and, you know, a country like China or Russia.

00:24:10.200 But yeah, they're just going to they're just going to try to muddy the waters.

00:24:12.880 It's just enough for their partisans to say that it's, you know, it's not a liberal problem.

00:24:17.480 And that's what they've been trying to do from the beginning. 0.95

00:24:19.300 And say it's a problem because conservatives are saying this is ridiculous.

00:24:24.280 So we conservatives don't take foreign interference seriously.

00:24:27.320 The liberals do because they're going hard.

00:24:29.420 They're Justin Trudeau's been the most stringent and proactive on foreign interference.

00:24:33.560 Look, he kicked out an Indian diplomat before even reading a piece of paper.

00:24:36.600 I think this is I think this is a big part of what's going on here.

00:24:40.680 I just want to break it down a little bit further, because if you read and you kind of read in between the lines of what's going on,

00:24:44.620 especially the travel ban or the travel advisory to India, this reeks of this was written by radical extremist ideologues in this thing.

00:24:54.620 And it was and I mean all of them lefties, Islamists, communists, calisthenes, because the travel advisory to India, like unless you know kind of what's going on here,

00:25:03.000 it mentions a travel advisory for Kashmir and that region, not the Punjab.

00:25:07.620 So if Harjip Sinatra was assassinated by India and it's unsafe to go to Canada and because of all this violence, that would be in the Punjab region. 0.93

00:25:16.760 That's where the Khalistan issue is.

00:25:19.020 The Kashmiri issue, that's not Khalistan.

00:25:21.060 That's not Sikhs. 1.00

00:25:21.900 That's Hindus versus Muslims. 1.00

00:25:23.680 Like so to call it like this, this shot at Kashmiri sovereignty in India, this reeks of like Hezbollah Tahrir wrote this.

00:25:29.920 So it's not even the right region and the area they're harping on is like a, it just reeks of Pakistani, you know, military press release about it's now unsafe undermining their claims to catch it. 1.00

00:25:43.840 So it's not even the right region, which means even the person who wrote the travel advisory doesn't know where India is on a map.

00:25:51.580 But the more likely thing is they know exactly where India is on a map.

00:25:56.040 They know exactly what the problems are in India and misidentified the problem regions to give further political clout to, you know, the Pakistans, Hezbollah Tahrir's, you know, and Jamaati Islamis in the Kashmir region.

00:26:10.780 So you read what they're even saying and it has nothing to do with really anything we're talking about.

00:26:15.220 If you understand what they're saying, like they're talking about Kashmir now, the Canadian government, just throwing shots there.

00:26:20.300 Like it's so clear that there are anti-India ideologues, like hard left ideologues, whether, I don't know, whether it's communist, Islamist, CCP, Calistani, whatever it is.

00:26:31.140 It's so clear that, that they have some hand in what the liberals are doing here.

00:26:35.440 Because if you know anything about India or if you have a decent understanding of Indian politics, it just, it's just make, none of it makes any sense. 0.98

00:26:45.300 To throw, throw something into you, uh, for you again, like, or just go back to when Romnish Sangha basically blew the whistle on how many Calistanians were literally in the cabinet of the liberal party and in caucus.

00:26:56.520 And he ended up being, literally having his life threatened and couldn't walk into a Tim Hortons without bodyguard walking in and checking it out before him.

00:27:03.840 So Romnish Sangha is a liberal MP.

00:27:06.480 He was kicked out of the liberal party.

00:27:07.960 He was kicked out of the liberal party for being, he's a Sikh guy who would raise the issue of Calistanis in the Canadian government. 0.99

00:27:14.400 He even claimed, you know, that high ranking liberal cabinet official of Calistani.

00:27:18.140 And I know which one he's talking about, but if you talk to Romnish Sangha, like this, there were stories like, yeah, he, he would have security go in, in like Brampton and Mississauga, like GTA area would go south, suss out, like anywhere he walked in, Tim Hortons, just to make sure that it was safe for him.

00:27:34.980 That's a Canadian liberal Sikh guy.

00:27:37.100 So, you know, and this, again, this is all before this, the killing of Harjips and Najib.

00:27:44.060 So it's, this has been a longstanding issue in this community and it, and it's not going away.

00:27:50.000 And even when liberal Sikh MPs step up to criticize, it wasn't enough to stop it and got kicked out of the party for it.

00:27:56.220 Yeah.

00:27:56.760 And this is where I kind of want to bring this to a slightly different topic.

00:27:59.920 And this is actually the original reason I've been really wanting Spencer on to do a podcast with us,

00:28:04.700 because I think this all comes back to the idea that foreign policy does matter.

00:28:09.320 And that by just sort of ignoring foreign policy and foreign affairs and thinking that everything outside of your own country is not your issue and just sort of locked down, don't really get, don't really care what's going on.

00:28:19.500 You're, and you're going to end up hitting a lot of these land binds that Justin Trudeau is now running into because being ideological and being consistent with yourself is not always actually going to mesh with the rest of the world.

00:28:30.520 Canada should always, of course, enforce its own interests.

00:28:32.780 But right now you cannot just play ideological games on the world stage and you also can't ignore, you can also kind of ignore the world either.

00:28:40.960 And so this is also something that's been really taking over the, both the populist left and populist, right?

00:28:45.600 The idea that Canada shouldn't have anything to do with any other foreign country and that we can just sort of do our own thing.

00:28:51.980 And that it's somehow a violation of, you know, Canada's interests to even discuss or support allies.

00:28:58.620 And I think that we are now seeing that when you do not respect allies like India, you could have massive economic, like massive economic sort of like issues there because of trade deals being killed and then having to rely more heavily on China, which is, of course, a threat to our national security.

00:29:13.980 But maybe if I can, you know, put this into a frame of a question like, Spencer, what do you think has been kind of the more toxic development in foreign policy?

00:29:25.560 Has it been more of the kind of ideological leftism, internationalism, or has it been more of kind of like populist isolationism?

00:29:33.200 Well, I mean, both have had their drawbacks, but I think isolationism has become the real problem.

00:29:39.100 I mean, when you have, you have people who, unfortunately, are almost unable to, you know, see any nuance and issues, right?

00:29:46.380 You know, is it a problem that, you know, the U.S. countries like Canada de-industrialized and shipped so much production manufacturing to China?

00:29:54.200 Obviously.

00:29:55.120 Does that mean that we should have nothing to do with any other country and just let authoritarian states run rampant and do whatever they want?

00:30:00.300 Obviously not, right? But that's a nuance that's lost, unfortunately, on a lot of people.

00:30:04.280 And, you know, there's this weird, it's not just in Canada.

00:30:07.580 You see it in other countries, too.

00:30:08.960 But, you know, people, they're so almost insulated from the world or feel they're so insulated from the world that they think that whatever is happening has something to do completely with them or that they can just exempt themselves from it, right?

00:30:21.400 So I see a lot of people be like, oh, well, you know, Russia, what Russia wants to do has nothing to do with me.

00:30:26.200 You know, I don't want war. War's got nothing to do with me.

00:30:28.840 It's like, well, that's not how the world works.

00:30:31.500 You know, if an authoritarian state wants war, then you have war whether you want it or not.

00:30:35.080 You know, I'm just going to opt out of this.

00:30:36.580 You know, World War II.

00:30:37.340 You know what?

00:30:37.660 I'm just not feeling this.

00:30:39.140 I'm just going to opt out.

00:30:39.960 I don't want to be involved in World War II.

00:30:41.420 You know, that's just not how the world works.

00:30:42.000 France is going to call time out.

00:30:43.300 What if France is just called time out?

00:30:44.820 Yeah, just pause us, you know.

00:30:46.080 Pause, reassess your strategy.

00:30:47.660 And so it's just, it's this kind of attitude.

00:30:50.020 And it's, I think some of it is a bit of a fear response, too.

00:30:52.840 I think people think that if they somehow rhetorically ally with the scariest countries like China and Russia, that somehow they'll be saved from it, right? 0.70

00:31:00.280 You see that with on the left and the right, you know, the people who are very pro-Russia or pro-China as if you think that's going to save you.

00:31:07.080 You think, you know, Putin talks about how much he wants the West to fall, how much he hates the West.

00:31:11.160 Russian officials are always saying how much he hates the West.

00:31:13.500 Do the people who support him in Canada and the States think that he's going to exempt them from the supposed destruction of the West he wants to bring about?

00:31:19.960 I mean, that's just not how it works.

00:31:22.100 And so there's a lot of people who are naive.

00:31:23.920 And then I think, especially for Canada, you know, we're just so lucky that we have the U.S. as our top ally.

00:31:29.400 I mean, the U.S., they basically have to defend North America, whether we do or not, because it's in their interest to do so.

00:31:35.560 So we just don't spend anything on our military.

00:31:37.580 You know, we don't have much of an impact around the world.

00:31:39.740 We lecture them from time to time.

00:31:41.300 Oh, how come you guys don't have great social programs?

00:31:43.440 Well, maybe because they're spending $800 billion a year on the military, much of which they have to spend because their allies don't choose to spend an equivalent amount as a percentage of U.D.

00:31:51.760 But heavy air quotes around great social programs.

00:31:54.720 Yeah.

00:31:55.520 Yeah.

00:31:55.780 Well, yeah.

00:31:56.300 I mean, the Europeans say the same thing, too, right?

00:31:58.500 They lecture the U.S. about social programs.

00:32:00.320 And then, you know, they say, oh, the U.S. has to deploy 100,000 troops to protect them from Russia.

00:32:05.540 And so I think there's just this attitude of Canadians have been so, so lucky to have the U.S. as a neighbor.

00:32:11.280 And so we haven't had many conflicts on our own soil.

00:32:14.060 And so people just kind of assume that that's just going to continue forever.

00:32:16.900 We're just magically protected.

00:32:18.140 The world's just fine if we think it's fine.

00:32:19.980 And it's a very dangerous attitude.

00:32:21.620 And people have this, people almost take their, and it's not even like a Canadian context kind of a thing, because if you took the Canadian political context into account, you might have more nuanced take on it.

00:32:32.020 But people apply foreign policy to like a Republican versus Democrat in the U.S. kind of a battle. 0.87

00:32:38.340 This is the thing that me and Daniel have even gotten, and of course you have, because I always watch your Twitter feed, Spencer, that you always get flack for saying like, hey, I think Vladimir Zelensky is kind of a clown. 0.81

00:32:49.780 I think he needs to put a suit back on.

00:32:51.520 I think he needs to stop basically asking for money without actual goals to what they're going to achieve in Ukraine.

00:32:57.220 Also, I don't support Russia, because Russia is an awful authoritarian state.

00:33:00.580 It's not a trad Western state where everyone's, where everyone's thin reading the Bible and, you know, getting married at 25 and having 10 kids.

00:33:08.280 It's not that country.

00:33:09.120 It's a country where they stopped tracking alcoholism rates because it kept getting worse.

00:33:13.200 That's not, it's not a fantastic place to live.

00:33:15.400 But you get people who think that because I have issues with Ukraine, because I don't, and maybe they're getting too much money, maybe I don't like the military goals, maybe that they should be finding an off ramp to make peace in the region because they can't fight this war for 10 years because it's just not going to end in anything positive.

00:33:31.000 That if you think that any of those thoughts, well, then you must think that somehow Putin's secretly the good guy.

00:33:37.240 And this is always the thing that drives me up the wall whenever you end up talking about foreign policy.

00:33:41.960 Because the funny thing, and I think you guys will agree, is the same sort of very populist right person or the person who's every populist in the Green Party, because, you know, don't, don't be fooled.

00:33:52.760 The Green Party is actually very supportive of Russia when you actually talk to them individually.

00:33:56.780 That Justin Trudeau's approach to foreign policy is actually the populist rights approach to foreign policy in slightly inversed, in the sense that instead of being pro-Russia or being kind of thinking that maybe Russia's secretly in the right, maybe they've been bullied.

00:34:13.680 Justin Trudeau is the same guy thinking maybe China's been bullied by the United States and India and maybe we need to be doing some things to prop them up.

00:34:21.220 It's incredibly low IQ ways of thinking about foreign policy.

00:34:25.880 And this is why I think that needs to be way more education around the issue where people don't just say, you know, neocon, warmonger every single time.

00:34:33.980 That's my favorite thing, by the way.

00:34:35.740 Kids, you kids out there, if you ever get called a neocon on Twitter, that means you know foreign policy.

00:34:42.080 If some absolute warrant calls you a neocon, it means you've just got something right.

00:34:46.660 You've just got something right and people are throwing a temper tantrum.

00:34:49.540 You know my theory on this.

00:34:52.340 I gave the term reflexive contrarianism.

00:34:55.120 This is what I see it as.

00:34:56.260 And this is left and right.

00:34:57.400 Like you see people go like, oh, the media supports Ukraine and part of your thing is you don't like the mainstream media.

00:35:02.680 They lied to you about COVID.

00:35:04.220 They lied to you about your personal issue.

00:35:06.120 They lied to you about this.

00:35:07.260 So you don't trust them.

00:35:08.320 And then all of a sudden they take position A.

00:35:10.260 So you're going to take position B, right, just to oppose them.

00:35:13.560 And then it goes on the same thing, right?

00:35:14.760 When Donald Trump was president and he supported or he said that murdering innocent Iranians was bad, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer stood up to him and said, no, we're not going to condemn the IRGC for openly admitting to murdering innocent civilians.

00:35:29.240 And because Trump bad.

00:35:31.320 So we're just going to take the opposite position.

00:35:33.040 I think oppositionalism and contrarianism is driving a lot of foreign policy discourse.

00:35:37.240 And it's not good because no one's really thinking on print people.

00:35:40.260 And to think about foreign policy is much different than domestic policy.

00:35:43.480 It's a bit of a different brain here.

00:35:46.260 So like, you know, domestic policy is one thing.

00:35:48.120 But on the foreign policy issue, like the meta of this is, as we laid at the beginning, you're starting a fight with an ally.

00:35:53.340 You need to win over alliances.

00:35:55.660 Like, how do you get the Americans?

00:35:56.540 How do you get the Europeans? 0.98

00:35:57.400 How do you get the Australians? 0.92

00:35:58.320 How do you get the rest of the world on your side here?

00:36:00.420 Because India has leverage because they have a billion people.

00:36:03.120 And we have 40 million people.

00:36:05.260 Right.

00:36:05.400 So you have to figure out these different leverages.

00:36:07.220 And to an extent, does the truth even matter?

00:36:09.260 Right.

00:36:09.500 If India did commit this assassination, well, the only thing that really matters in foreign policy is can you prove it? 0.81

00:36:15.440 And if you cannot prove it, then you should not even try because you're standing to lose more than you can gain.

00:36:20.860 And, you know, if you can prove it, well, then you have to provide the proof.

00:36:25.200 Churro's done neither of that.

00:36:27.280 So, you know, yeah, you're right.

00:36:28.920 Like, people can just say, oh, all our money should be going to Canada.

00:36:33.780 And why are we doing other things?

00:36:35.160 It's like, well, do you want a pizza that costs less than $45 a slice?

00:36:41.080 Like, do you want to buy a pizza for less than $50?

00:36:43.420 And the answer is yes, because you need global trade.

00:36:45.220 So we have to trade with America. 0.58

00:36:46.160 We have to trade with Mexico. 0.67

00:36:47.040 We have to trade with the Europeans. 0.97

00:36:48.120 We have to give them canola.

00:36:49.040 They have to give us this.

00:36:49.700 And this is all intricate stuff.

00:36:52.020 You start fights with India and you make people really mad. 1.00

00:36:55.180 People start choosing sides.

00:36:56.360 Supply chains start getting smaller.

00:36:57.820 Prices start going up.

00:36:59.000 And then all of a sudden this is domestic.

00:37:00.980 So solid governance of foreign policy is really important because these mess ups and create

00:37:06.800 cataclysmic geopolitical events that affect domestic food prices, energy supplies, you know,

00:37:13.720 outright wars can start because of it.

00:37:15.160 So foreign policy is a bit hard to make people care about because it doesn't affect them until

00:37:19.680 it really affects them.

00:37:21.120 And it's hard to make people proactive.

00:37:23.020 I think people also have to realize that foreign policy in of itself, like all other issues,

00:37:27.880 usually the truth in a foreign policy topic is far more boring than you would actually

00:37:31.740 expect.

00:37:32.380 It is.

00:37:32.800 It is boring trade deals, illegal agreements and stuff like that.

00:37:36.300 And to a certain extent, that's a good thing.

00:37:38.220 That means things are functioning normally.

00:37:39.740 Yet, and this is the thing that really drives me up the wall when you sort of follow Twitter

00:37:43.920 discourse around foreign policy is, and Spencer, you've gotten this on, you've gotten this on

00:37:48.960 the chin before from the populist crowd, is that everything becomes like basically just

00:37:54.200 whatever you think is the spiciest, most interesting explanation for something. 0.96

00:37:58.240 That's why. 1.00

00:37:59.300 So Spencer is a big old idiot because he doesn't believe in bio labs starting the Ukraine war 1.00

00:38:04.140 and stuff like that. 1.00

00:38:05.180 And Vladimir Selensky's wife has spent a billion dollars on dresses or something like that.

00:38:09.180 And that's what all the money is going towards.

00:38:11.040 And if you don't believe any of this stuff, then you must be just a small, brave person.

00:38:14.600 But again, this is the way the left and the right on the populist right, the fringes, tends

00:38:19.160 to think about foreign policy issues and that like, you know, Israel must deserve Hamas launching 0.99

00:38:24.360 rockets because there's this video that's heavily edited showing someone getting shot by

00:38:28.660 Israeli security forces.

00:38:31.280 And then there's like, you know, Ukraine had a very nice country sitting next to Russia.

00:38:35.360 Obviously, they wanted to be attacked kind of stuff.

00:38:37.340 But like, what do you think is like, you think that social media has definitely like added

00:38:41.640 to the push of like bad information when it comes to foreign policy?

00:38:47.720 To an extent.

00:38:48.740 I mean, you see these narratives that are just completely incoherent.

00:38:51.660 I mean, anti-Semitism is obviously the worst of it, right?

00:38:54.480 It's like somehow, you know, the same people who control the world also had half their population 0.60

00:38:58.680 killed, you know, in World War II, right?

00:39:00.460 I mean, that doesn't seem to make much sense, you know?

00:39:02.840 And then you look at Ukraine.

00:39:05.560 So the money we're giving to Ukraine is simultaneously making World War III about to happen because 0.55

00:39:12.040 Russia is being, you know, degraded.

00:39:13.980 But it's also not being used at all.

00:39:16.580 And it's all being laundered and stolen by Zelensky apparently, right?

00:39:19.320 So it's simultaneously doing too much to help Ukraine.

00:39:21.820 And it's all being stolen.

00:39:23.420 And so, you know, you see people pushing these narratives.

00:39:25.740 But I think there's kind of a deeper issue, which is that I think you're seeing a loss

00:39:31.420 of, you know, faith and democracy on the far left and the far right.

00:39:34.720 And it's kind of inching into a little bit into the center as well.

00:39:37.900 And everyone's kind of looking for, you know, the cheat code to just get what they want without

00:39:41.620 going through the messy process of having to debate and actually win elections.

00:39:44.480 So I think for a lot of people on the right, that's what Russia was, right?

00:39:47.100 It was like, oh, well, here's big, strong man Putin, you know, traditionalist Putin,

00:39:51.120 pro-family, you know, kidnapping thousands of Ukrainian children.

00:39:54.700 Not the most pro-family, but of course, that's the image he presents. 0.98

00:39:57.520 And a lot of people are fools and they fall for the image of dictators. 0.98

00:40:00.000 Oh, they look so strong. 1.00

00:40:01.060 Oh, there's no opposition, of course, because they're killing people and suppressing people.

00:40:03.920 Look at all these young, attractive people dancing with Russian flags.

00:40:07.520 Isn't this like...

00:40:08.140 Must be the whole country.

00:40:09.220 The whole country must be like that.

00:40:10.640 That one I hate the most because they'll show a bunch of Ukrainians on, like, the sea at 1.00

00:40:15.760 some sort of random place.

00:40:17.300 They're like, look at these people partying or whatever.

00:40:19.780 They're like, look at all these people being cringe.

00:40:22.340 Isn't there a war going on?

00:40:23.580 They realize that people, like, you know, people had tea in their parlors and, you know,

00:40:27.680 went out to parties during World War II as well.

00:40:29.940 That would keep commenting on.

00:40:31.180 The entire country's not being bombed all at once.

00:40:33.540 But, but, no, if Russians are dancing at a nightclub and also taking part, you know,

00:40:38.880 indulging their alcoholism...

00:40:40.700 Sanctions are failing.

00:40:42.100 Yeah, sanctions are failing.

00:40:43.460 Look how great they are.

00:40:44.720 Like, they're not at war.

00:40:45.700 There's no, no, no, no problem in Russia.

00:40:48.120 See how good they're dancing.

00:40:49.160 Yeah, it's, it's, these people, I assume that these people also don't clap whenever

00:40:53.660 they see videos of, like, Laurentian elite kids at a party, like, dancing.

00:40:58.080 They're like, Canada's doing so well. 0.98

00:41:00.820 Yeah, it sucks selective misappropriate outrage. 0.80

00:41:04.260 And, like, yeah, and we live in a time where I think, I think Spencer made the point, like, 0.68

00:41:07.520 or you made the point, like, you try and take a nuanced view on this and, like, the lefties

00:41:11.300 who know nothing about foreign policy will start to say, Russia, Putin supporter,

00:41:14.300 it's, like, dude, I was such a Russia hawk.

00:41:16.900 I was, I was actually against the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014 when it was totally 0.99

00:41:20.760 cool.

00:41:21.340 Remember when Obama was president and we're all just totally cool with Russia invading 0.75

00:41:23.660 Ukraine, except for me and, like, the rest of us, like, except for the people who are 1.00

00:41:27.820 still anti-Russia?

00:41:28.980 So, yeah, getting...

00:41:29.960 You know what you realized, Daniel?

00:41:31.540 It was a CIA coup in Ukraine.

00:41:33.500 Oh, a CIA coup!

00:41:34.840 And they paid billions of Ukrainians individually.

00:41:38.080 Oh, the CIA made me do it.

00:41:39.400 Oh, the CIA made me do it.

00:41:40.040 Oh, the CIA made me do it.

00:41:40.540 Oh, the CIA's in my brain.

00:41:40.880 Now I'm going to...

00:41:41.460 Oh, Ukraine exists. 0.99

00:41:43.020 It's like in Iran, like, oh, the CIA plot against Mossadegh.

00:41:47.920 They must have paid every single Iranian and Ukrainian to get out on the streets to protest 0.98

00:41:52.440 their terrible government.

00:41:53.320 Guys, the neural link hip has malfunctioned.

00:41:55.340 I just want to leave it.

00:41:55.780 It's true.

00:41:56.580 Ukraine isn't real. 0.94

00:41:57.400 There is no Ukraine. 0.97

00:41:58.020 There is no war.

00:41:59.360 There's a...

00:41:59.800 People don't think they're being forced to fight.

00:42:01.540 Oh, America's forcing them to fight, right? 0.98

00:42:03.640 So, America's forcing people to, you know, stand up for their country and go to the front

00:42:07.760 lines and, you know, die in relatively large numbers.

00:42:09.920 Interesting, America has that power. 0.93

00:42:11.660 If they did have that power, maybe they could just end the war immediately, right?

00:42:14.580 It's just...

00:42:15.340 But this is what's so disturbing about it is it's the incoherence of it that should be

00:42:19.400 obvious to people as they're making these arguments.

00:42:21.620 And then you explain it to them.

00:42:23.760 And it's like, okay, so, as you say, reflexive contrarianism, right?

00:42:27.240 It's like, so, you've chosen not to believe the Canadian government and the Canadian media

00:42:31.680 fine, but then you're aligning with someone, Vladimir Putin, who has a much more repressive

00:42:36.800 media apparatus and just silences opponents completely.

00:42:39.960 So, all the things you supposedly dislike about Canadian media and the Canadian government,

00:42:43.320 far worse in an authoritarian state, but that's who they side with.

00:42:46.400 And you explain it to people and they're just like, oh, no, you're just repeating the

00:42:50.340 narrative.

00:42:50.620 I think it's part of like, they want to be, they think they're critical thinkers. 0.98

00:42:54.580 So, like, I can see through the media's bullshit because I'm so smart. 0.98

00:42:58.720 Like, I saw through COVID, I saw through this. 0.99

00:43:00.600 Like, when they said lied about the conflict.

00:43:02.380 And like, it's true.

00:43:02.960 The Canadian mainstream media does lie and misrepresent things.

00:43:05.640 I watched it.

00:43:06.600 I called out times where I've said, here, they're actively mistranslating Farsi.

00:43:10.400 They use one of the five Farsi phrases I understand and they're mistranslating it here.

00:43:13.540 And like, I say, and I've done things like, here's where they're mist...

00:43:16.560 We've all shown where, but it's not 100% false.

00:43:20.060 Like, that's the problem.

00:43:20.660 Like, CNN isn't 100% false.

00:43:22.880 It's, there's some truth and then a bit of a spin.

00:43:25.580 There's a bit of nuance.

00:43:26.960 Yeah.

00:43:27.180 But like, so when you try and say like, okay, I reject the sort of narrative coming out

00:43:30.780 of the CBC, which I do too.

00:43:32.020 Like, I don't think they did a great job covering Ukraine.

00:43:33.880 Like, why didn't I talk about this at the beginning?

00:43:35.280 Like, they were missing a lot of the major points.

00:43:37.680 But then like, you know, I'm like, no, Russia are the bad guys. 0.99

00:43:40.280 So you make like, no one happy here.

00:43:44.700 These people just want an easy, digestible take.

00:43:47.460 And like, again, it's these people think they're critical thinkers.

00:43:49.320 I can think through all the media stuff, but then they get Russian propaganda.

00:43:51.920 They're like, look, see evidence.

00:43:53.440 What's your evidence?

00:43:54.160 Sputnik?

00:43:55.120 Like, Russia today? 0.66

00:43:56.820 Like, you're like, oh, the Canadian means to many lies.

00:43:58.540 And then they're like, here's an article directly from Vladimir Putin about why Vladimir

00:44:05.200 Putin is right.

00:44:05.840 And you're like, don't tell me you're a critical thinker if you're just like, yeah, okay.

00:44:10.180 You can see through the camera as well.

00:44:12.300 Here's a funny thing with the Ukraine issue too.

00:44:14.340 And this is where people get it wrong.

00:44:15.620 And this is where you get a lot of almost like populist soothsayers just trying to interpret

00:44:20.140 what they think other people believe about foreign policy.

00:44:22.800 Trump was actually a very hawkish foreign, like hawkish on foreign policy as a president

00:44:26.760 overall.

00:44:27.480 Like, you know, like bombing Qasem Soleimani, rocketing him, killing him.

00:44:31.640 He heavily increased funding towards Ukraine, the Eastern Bloc countries, Georgia.

00:44:38.360 He gave way more funding to them to try and stave off invasions.

00:44:42.140 And the reason that Ukraine was able to hold on when the invasion first started was because

00:44:46.080 they had an increased supply of weapons from the Trump administration, which the Biden

00:44:50.160 administration immediately cut as soon as they came into government, just like Obama

00:44:53.720 had.

00:44:54.200 And then they only ramped it up when the invasion started.

00:44:56.740 It's, but people don't really ever remember this kind of stuff because that's, you know,

00:44:59.960 memory is difficult and whatnot.

00:45:01.580 But, but, but, but like, and the thing is, again, people are always, people don't realize

00:45:06.340 that it's not that people think that it's, it's almost like this is, I wrote this in

00:45:11.520 an article actually recently.

00:45:12.580 It wasn't an article, but it was like an essay for like my master's program.

00:45:16.700 You guys are going to have to save me on this one.

00:45:19.640 I have to go figure out what this, what this word is.

00:45:21.820 Daniel, you're in.

00:45:23.960 Sorry, you're cutting out a bit.

00:45:25.420 What's the word?

00:45:26.660 Oh, no, no, no.

00:45:27.160 I have to think of the word.

00:45:28.060 That's why you're saving me here.

00:45:29.080 Um, the word of the day is, um, you know, anti-disestablishmentarianism.

00:45:36.980 Almost.

00:45:37.380 I just remembered it.

00:45:38.060 Okay.

00:45:38.200 It was Gnosticism.

00:45:39.360 The people have this very Gnostic view of politics and it, and it goes to both foreign

00:45:43.340 policy and domestic policy that if they go inside their own heads enough and they think

00:45:47.760 enough, they're going to get like divine foreign policy revelation and they're going

00:45:51.820 to know what's going on.

00:45:52.940 There's, and this is the thing is it's in mainstream media too.

00:45:55.440 It's not just like, you know, weird crackpot blogs.

00:45:59.080 This is what mainstream media does as well.

00:46:01.520 Cause even they on this whole Modi issue are pretending to know what the motivations of

00:46:05.940 the Indian government and Modi would be.

00:46:07.680 And they're just taking Justin Trudeau's word for it.

00:46:09.660 And then just creating a narrative that makes it sound about plausible.

00:46:13.260 Yeah, pretty much that's Canadian journalism 101.

00:46:16.620 Yeah.

00:46:17.060 And there is, there's a, there's a cult of personality aspect to it as well, right?

00:46:20.880 Like Trump is the peace president to his supporters now somehow, which is interesting.

00:46:26.620 Um, but his supporters also loved when he took out, uh, Soleimani, which I love.

00:46:33.480 Yeah, it was a good, his supporters were like, oh, this is awesome.

00:46:37.200 We always throwing up the gang signs, you know, tweets out the, the American flag after

00:46:41.280 doing it.

00:46:41.680 Right.

00:46:41.920 People love that.

00:46:42.600 But then the, and if Trump flipped on Ukraine and said, actually, no, I oppose Russia now.

00:46:46.700 We need to help Ukraine.

00:46:47.560 His supporters would be like, yeah, Trump is based.

00:46:49.540 This is awesome.

00:46:50.620 Right.

00:46:50.780 So people are just the same with Trudeau, right?

00:46:52.440 I mean, Trudeau can flip it.

00:46:53.460 His supporters go all over the place.

00:46:54.760 It's just personality cults.

00:46:55.920 But, you know, back to the, the issue of democracy, I think, I think we're seeing a real, a real

00:47:01.220 problem, a lack of understanding of how democracy works with, you know, our own citizens and

00:47:06.460 across the Western world.

00:47:08.660 And, you know, I, I look at this and you, you look at how people, it's, you can see it

00:47:12.240 both with Ukraine and the United States and with Israel.

00:47:15.080 A lot of the critics of those countries, their criticisms are basically just on the fact

00:47:19.200 that they're relatively free societies, right?

00:47:21.240 So people look at Israel, oh, look at all the people protesting in Israel.

00:47:24.100 Well, yeah, that's because they're allowed to protest.

00:47:26.040 Why do you not see the same things in Iran?

00:47:27.920 Or when you do see them, a bunch of people are getting, you know, massacred in the streets.

00:47:31.440 But people just say, they just keep falling for it over and over.

00:47:33.820 You know, with China, look at, they're so organized.

00:47:36.020 Look at this Chinese city where they put all their money into, where they put propagandists 0.93

00:47:39.400 everywhere.

00:47:40.060 Oh, it looks so much better than America. 0.86

00:47:41.800 Yeah. 0.98

00:47:42.500 America's a mess.

00:47:43.340 America's divided.

00:47:44.440 America's falling apart.

00:47:45.680 That's what democracies look like.

00:47:46.920 That's what countries with open media look like.

00:47:48.580 And people, even in those countries, keep falling for it.

00:47:51.500 Like, oh, if we're just authoritarian.

00:47:52.820 If my group got into power and my dictator was in power, everything would be fixed.

00:47:57.300 Well, no, you'd probably be, you know, lined up against the wall or something and shot,

00:48:00.820 right?

00:48:01.000 So it's just, I think we need to really work to educate people on the fact that yes, democracy

00:48:05.660 looks messy.

00:48:06.400 Yes, you have to accept sometimes you're out of power for a decade and you're going to

00:48:09.220 be pissed off the whole time.

00:48:10.600 Still far better than any of these authoritarian states we're talking about.

00:48:13.720 Yeah.

00:48:13.980 You made a really great point.

00:48:15.100 Can I say, Spencer made a really great point about this.

00:48:18.620 I think Douglas Murray said it best.

00:48:19.840 I can't remember how you said it, but you essentially made the point that in terms of

00:48:23.280 criticism, we're living in this world where countries that are the most tolerant and open

00:48:27.600 understanding end up being the most criticized because they're like tolerant of the criticism

00:48:33.120 away.

00:48:33.820 There's this great thing where he's in Qatar making this point.

00:48:36.620 And then like, or they're talking about how racist the UK is.

00:48:38.820 And then he just flips around.

00:48:39.760 He's like, Qatar, your immigration post, do you like this?

00:48:41.860 And then like starts going off on them.

00:48:43.180 And then all the sheiks there kind of take a step back and he makes this point. 0.99

00:48:46.700 Yes, Ben, that's just got a good point that these democracies that allow criticism, which

00:48:50.540 is a good thing.

00:48:51.000 I'm not saying shut it down because we lost our thing, but we have this weird thing where

00:48:54.780 if we want to criticize racism, right, we focus on democracy.

00:48:58.160 Oh, India, like this whole thing, India is racist towards Sikhs and the Sikh plight in

00:49:03.880 India, racism. 0.98

00:49:05.000 The Hindu is a majority, Sikhs are a minority.

00:49:06.940 Okay.

00:49:07.200 But then what about Pakistan where Sikhs have been nearly slaughtered out of existence?

00:49:12.120 There used to be hundreds of thousands, millions of Sikhs in Pakistan. 0.84

00:49:15.200 They're now nearly all gone, murdered, raped. 0.79

00:49:18.740 There's cases of young Sikh and Hindu girls being kidnapped, raped, forcibly converted into 0.89

00:49:23.960 marriage.

00:49:24.840 And the Pakistani Supreme Court ruled the judgment and said, this is allowed. 0.98

00:49:28.760 So why is there so much criticism from Justin Trudeau on the plight of Sikh suffering in

00:49:34.820 India, a country where Sikhs have risen to the highest positions of power and still hold

00:49:39.060 them, versus Pakistan, a country where all the Sikhs have been slaughtered?

00:49:43.360 Well, and I think this would be one of those moments where I don't think that Justin Trudeau

00:49:48.160 is an economic Marxist, but this is where he gets closest to being a Marxist, is this kind

00:49:53.160 of cultural Marxism where he views the world in terms of presser and oppressed, even if a

00:49:58.380 lot of his rules tend to contradict each other once he kind of, you know, keeps, when he kind

00:50:02.760 of like, when you actually look at all of his, the way he kind of like rules on foreign

00:50:06.800 policy issue to issue, he starts to contradict himself.

00:50:09.960 But in that isolated situation, he always finds out, well, who's the more put upon one

00:50:14.000 and will either support them or at least ignore everything that they're doing that's bad.

00:50:18.200 So that's whenever like, you know, Israel starts getting bombed by a terrorist group,

00:50:21.960 suddenly it becomes a very nuanced issue.

00:50:24.260 And we start ignoring all the actual, like the fact that there's a terrorist group against

00:50:27.880 a democracy and that everyone starts calling for a ceasefire, even though a ceasefire in

00:50:32.580 a lot of these cases are effectively just a mockery of peace itself in the sense that

00:50:36.440 we're just basically saying, stop defending yourself.

00:50:38.700 And then we'll hopefully-

00:50:39.120 Even when there's reporting on Israel, you look at the maps they use, right?

00:50:42.800 It's always the most zoomed in map you've ever seen in the world, right?

00:50:45.600 It's always like, boom, most of Israel and then a little bit of, you know, the Palestinian 1.00

00:50:50.440 area.

00:50:51.420 And so every other country they talk about it, they do a big map and showing, you know, the

00:50:54.800 the array of other countries around them, right?

00:50:56.460 But of course, to show that Israel is just a small state with a bunch of, you know, largely

00:51:00.000 hostile states around them, doesn't really fit the narrative that people want to use.

00:51:04.080 And so, yeah, I'll just add to this.

00:51:06.420 There's a literal psychological study they did on the Israel thing.

00:51:08.880 I'll let you finish this, where they showed these two different maps.

00:51:11.200 And when Israel's the same neutral essay on Israel-Palestine conflict, when they showed

00:51:16.480 it on a map of Israel big, Palestine small, most people took Palestinian side, when they showed

00:51:21.240 it on a regular scale map of Israel in context of the neighboring, most people supported Israel.

00:51:27.540 So psychologically valid, the evidence of what they're saying is out there in the studies.

00:51:33.980 I'm sorry for this.

00:51:35.280 Oh, I didn't know that.

00:51:36.060 That's cool.

00:51:36.940 Yeah.

00:51:37.140 And so it's just, you know, but yeah, this whole idea of, you know, democracies losing faith

00:51:41.800 in themselves.

00:51:42.340 I mean, it's literally the worst possible moment.

00:51:44.020 And it's, you know, we, you know, you look at artillery shell production, I mean, not to

00:51:47.920 go off on a tangent, but there's no reason that, you know, North Korea should be able 0.99

00:51:52.220 to have any kind of impact on the war in Ukraine.

00:51:55.320 But the West has been, I mean, the U.S., I think in 1997 or so, 96, somewhere around

00:52:02.040 there, they can produce 840,000 artillery shells, or I think million artillery shells per

00:52:08.960 month.

00:52:09.260 And now it's, no, yeah, 1,000, and now it's 30,000 a month.

00:52:13.200 And this is after them wrapping up production for a year.

00:52:15.940 And so we've just, we've, we've been so naive in the West thinking, oh, China's going to

00:52:19.460 just be nice to us.

00:52:20.500 You know, Russia, no, Russia's not angry anymore.

00:52:22.700 They've accepted that they're not an empire anymore.

00:52:25.740 And we've just, we've, we've been so naive.

00:52:28.420 I mean, you look at Canada, right?

00:52:30.080 We can't even defend our own territory.

00:52:31.460 We couldn't even, we were one of like one of the only countries that couldn't even send

00:52:34.260 airplanes to the recent NATO exercise, which included some other NATO air force, non-NATO

00:52:38.960 air forces.

00:52:40.240 And so it's, it's, you know, and maybe we'll get to this, I don't know if there's time,

00:52:43.800 but the, the difficulty with which it takes to try to convince Canadians to spend on the

00:52:49.060 military, people just seem to think it's not necessary or we're never going to need it.

00:52:52.760 I don't know, maybe we can think of some ideas on how to work on that, but it seems like,

00:52:56.020 you know, no, no party really wants to do much.

00:52:58.000 The conservatives talk a bit about it.

00:52:59.200 They're a little better than others, but even, even they're not saying, oh yeah, we're going

00:53:02.160 to wrap up military spending by 20, 30 billion per year.

00:53:05.200 Or everyone seems afraid of it.

00:53:06.480 I'll think of that.

00:53:06.980 Well, we always spend on, we always just spend on kind of like the, kind of like the myth

00:53:10.660 of like shovel ready jobs and whatnot to basically do make work programs.

00:53:14.520 And if you want a make work program to employ people, but actually at least helps, you know,

00:53:19.540 like secure the country that of Canada in terms of on the foreign, on the international stage

00:53:25.400 and giving us the ability to support allies and giving us the ability to like, you know,

00:53:28.640 defend the Arctic and be able to have some muscle.

00:53:31.280 Well, at least we would be spending money on something useful.

00:53:34.000 It's not just random, you know, HR jobs and giving a bunch of college students upset that

00:53:38.480 their degrees don't mean anything, a bunch of DEI training positions.

00:53:42.700 But, but another point I want to make on the democracy thing is, yeah, like when people

00:53:46.180 lose faith in democracy and then they start to think that the entire system's rigged and

00:53:49.920 everything's just against them and whatnot, it leads them to just making dumb decisions when 0.81

00:53:54.000 it comes to the development of political movements.

00:53:55.860 This is where I think that the PPC stalled out because they thought they basically accepted

00:54:00.600 after the 2019 election, after they bungled a lot of aspects of it, that while we were

00:54:05.160 beat because Warren Kinsella wrote an article on us and then they ended up not growing the

00:54:09.760 party, not establishing EDAs and basically just becoming a protest movement where they

00:54:13.640 just show up at different protests.

00:54:14.920 And I, even today at the parents rally, I think I hear a lot of people are upset with

00:54:18.660 them bringing PPC signs when it's just like, it wasn't about you guys.

00:54:21.860 And that's really what the party's become, but because they've lost faith in democracy

00:54:26.460 in a certain sense, they think that the only way that they're ever going to win is by like

00:54:30.200 some freak breakout moment in a, in a protest.

00:54:34.520 When I've talked to many PPC organizers and they'll admit to me that they've never knocked

00:54:38.160 on a single door during an election.

00:54:41.460 Yeah, it's just, yeah, maybe Daniel, I don't know if you want to talk about that, but yeah,

00:54:44.660 it's just, it's, it's the whole idea of, you know, people looking for a cheat code and,

00:54:48.460 you know, I've noticed with the issues of parental rights as well, there's been a lot

00:54:52.640 of that on the right, unfortunately, where it's like, you know, they, people, you see

00:54:55.620 people, you know, Putin will give a speech obviously crafted to appeal to people in North

00:55:00.080 America on this issue. 0.98

00:55:01.140 Like he's not an idiot in terms of manipulating people. 0.99

00:55:03.460 And so he'll say, well, I'm like in the decadent West, you know, we have, you know, a mother 0.96

00:55:07.660 and a father, not parent one and two and kid and people are like, oh, he's not wrong.

00:55:11.540 Well, yeah, Russia's based.

00:55:12.760 Oh, this is great.

00:55:13.380 Yeah.

00:55:13.500 We're so degenerate in the West.

00:55:14.700 And it's like, look, there's protests against it.

00:55:17.420 U.S. states are passing laws against it.

00:55:19.280 People are debating it.

00:55:20.080 Some states and some provinces are going to be more accommodating of what people consider,

00:55:24.080 you know, parental rights.

00:55:25.960 Some people consider that, you know, bigoted, whatever, but people, it's a democracy.

00:55:29.820 You're allowed to have your opinion and the system's working.

00:55:32.320 People are voting, you know, politicians in Canada are responding to people who are concerned

00:55:35.900 about it.

00:55:36.520 You know, they're doing opinion polls.

00:55:37.700 Policy started to change.

00:55:39.540 And so people need to have some faith in the democratic system.

00:55:43.740 Yes, you don't always get what you want, but you're never out of it forever.

00:55:46.620 You can change policy.

00:55:47.740 You can convince people.

00:55:48.600 You can persuade people.

00:55:49.720 You can run out elections and things can change.

00:55:51.920 But so many people are just like, oh, no, you know, I'll just decide to throw my lot in

00:55:55.260 with a ruthless authoritarian state because maybe they'll give me one or two policies I like

00:55:58.660 because I'm a little bit annoyed at the process of my own country.

00:56:01.240 And it's a very dangerous way of thinking because if, you know, things really get bad in Canada

00:56:05.300 or there's a big war, we're going to need people to have some faith in our democratic

00:56:09.000 system and actually we want to stand up and fight for it.

00:56:11.540 And right now, I think there's a bit of a doubt whether that would happen.

00:56:14.000 And just to point out something to counter this whole Trad Russia kind of narrative,

00:56:19.940 people have to realize that their abortion rates have been going exponential over the

00:56:25.140 past several years.

00:56:26.220 Like in just between, I just looked it up, between 2015 and 2019, they increased the number

00:56:30.980 of abortions from like 500,000, 619,000 per year.

00:56:35.740 It is not a country that has a low single motherhood rate, let's just put it that way.

00:56:41.260 But people are very easily like duped by frankly bad propaganda videos.

00:56:46.000 And the thing when people say like, I would never be duped, like think of all the people

00:56:50.280 duped by Justin Trudeau.

00:56:51.620 It's very possible to get duped.

00:56:54.520 Yeah.

00:56:54.680 I mean, yeah, that's a good point.

00:56:56.320 Like Spencer's right about that Putin's clever enough to undermine the West in sort of the

00:57:02.980 culture war.

00:57:03.680 Does Putin love American conservatives?

00:57:05.900 No.

00:57:06.220 Like Russia's biggest enemy was Ronald Reagan, right?

00:57:09.840 So in terms of like traditional conservative Western values, Putin is a former KGB agent.

00:57:16.840 He is not a fan of that, but he is very clever and knows how to say things to affect the Western

00:57:22.040 culture war.

00:57:22.540 And the effect is he wants right-wingers in Canada to say, yo, look at Putin, he's so

00:57:26.600 based.

00:57:27.080 So people on the left can be like, aha, all of this is Russia and just destroy our conversation

00:57:31.880 and infighting.

00:57:33.420 And he wants the people on one side of the political spectrum to be hardcore Russia supporters.

00:57:38.900 It used to be the left.

00:57:40.340 Now, if you watched RT prior to the second invasion of Crimea, it was far left, like whatever,

00:57:48.320 whatever, maybe a bit, maybe pre-Trump.

00:57:50.240 They changed a bit on Trump with the Russians.

00:57:52.020 If pre-Trump, if you watch RT, it's to the left of the CBC, right?

00:57:56.020 It's cultivating hardcore lefties and that whole cadre into the anti-imperialism, anti-establishment

00:58:02.100 thing.

00:58:02.760 All of a sudden, Trump gets in and now Trump's the anti-Russia guy.

00:58:05.420 So they have this more like sort of, now we're kind of base, right?

00:58:08.380 So there's no consistency here.

00:58:10.100 It's just the Russians doing foreign propaganda.

00:58:13.020 The people who used to cite Sputnik and RT and all these people the most were like the

00:58:17.680 progressives over at the Young Turks.

00:58:18.800 They didn't have the Ukraine fog in their bio.

00:58:20.520 Is it someone who shares a Sputnik article?

00:58:22.300 It was people like the Young Turks. 0.99

00:58:23.400 It's people like Jimmy Dore.

00:58:24.580 They would literally have them on their shows and talk about how, you know, Bashar al-Assad

00:58:28.920 didn't actually gas a bunch of people despite all the evidence.

00:58:31.560 They just happened to have a budget bigger than every Hollywood movie made that year to be

00:58:35.520 able to stage a gas attack.

00:58:37.100 Yeah, and hire child actors from Syria to get gassed. 1.00

00:58:42.120 Yeah, classic deep statery, you know, you have there.

00:58:46.820 Oh, yeah.

00:58:47.360 That's another annoying one.

00:58:48.460 I hate when people just take clips from movies that are obviously from movies and pretending

00:58:52.680 that they were staging some sort of like crisis event in Ukraine or whatever.

00:58:57.380 They're like, look, they're pretending people are running down the street scared.

00:59:00.480 I'm like, it's a British indie movie.

00:59:02.080 You can see Big Ben in the background.

00:59:03.920 What are you talking about?

00:59:05.600 Yeah.

00:59:06.000 And do you think like who would be? 1.00

00:59:07.560 Yeah, it's all so stupid. 0.99

00:59:09.400 I mean, didn't we like there's a tweet that I remember going viral like a couple months 1.00

00:59:13.520 ago of like, has anyone even seen any footage of the war in Ukraine?

00:59:16.580 And this is like eight months in and like lots of footage there.

00:59:19.920 I'm like 3,000 retweets.

00:59:21.420 You're like these three, 3,000 people or likes like whoever, whoever liked this tweet

00:59:25.940 like needs to be put, it needs to be institutionalized right now.

00:59:28.360 Like great jacket, padded room.

00:59:30.360 Like we need these people off the streets.

00:59:32.640 It's like the same people wearing two masks outside.

00:59:36.360 Someone wearing two masks outside needs to share a mental institution cell with someone

00:59:41.780 who thinks there's no war footage of Ukraine. 1.00

00:59:44.020 And this is how we are going to solve the country is putting those two idiots in a room 1.00

00:59:48.260 until they even merge and become normal or both dive in. 1.00

00:59:52.640 Well, that sounds like a fantastic time to end off this first sort of like a pre-recorded

00:59:58.580 podcast that we're doing with guests.

01:00:00.740 But maybe, Spencer, do you want to maybe like let people know where they can find your work?

01:00:04.380 I highly endorse people read Spencer, the Spencer Fernando's blog.

01:00:08.680 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:09.400 Go to SpencerFernando.com and NationalCitizens.ca.

01:00:12.600 Follow me on Twitter and Spencer Fernando.

01:00:14.460 I'm going to be writing, I think today, probably about why it's a moral strategic imperative

01:00:18.780 for the West and Canada to support Ukraine.

01:00:21.540 So I'm sure I'll lose some followers over that one and piss some more people off.

01:00:24.260 But that's part of the fun.

01:00:26.000 Well, yeah, to extend my endorsement a little bit, I think that you're probably one of the

01:00:30.460 people who puts out pretty much everything that you need to know in terms of Canadian

01:00:34.160 politics.

01:00:34.660 You're just one guy.

01:00:36.420 And you put out three or four articles in a day of every breaking story that they need

01:00:39.620 to know with enough detail that they actually can talk about it at like a family dinner.

01:00:43.480 And they're not going to look dumb because that's the funny thing about mainstream media

01:00:47.600 in Canada is that like a lot of the stuff you're like, it's people being paid.

01:00:52.260 You click on something on Spencer's website, you get more than just what the title is.

01:00:56.760 Yeah.

01:00:57.160 But like the CBC, it's someone being paid $80,000 a year to put out two articles every

01:01:02.580 other day about like some random thing that happened in Kitchener. 0.65

01:01:05.580 It's ridiculous.

01:01:06.460 But anyways, thanks for coming on, Spencer.

01:01:08.700 This has been great.

01:01:09.400 Thanks to you, Daniel, for showing up from your big Bollywood tour in India over Kalistanis.

01:01:18.940 Anyways, that should be enough for us today.

01:01:21.080 And have a great day, everyone.

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - September 21, 2023

Trudeau Has Destroyed Canada's Reputation Abroad (Ft. Spencer Fernando)

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