25 Liberal MPs have signed a letter asking for Justin Trudeau to submit himself to a leadership review, and even consider resigning as the Liberal Party leader. This is not the first time that Justin Trudeau has been accused of being a bully.
00:00:00.000Welcome back to the Wyatt Claypool show, everyone. Well, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau doesn't look too happy after he exited the Liberal Party caucus meeting yesterday, where a letter was given to him that supposedly 25 Liberal MPs have signed asking for Trudeau to submit himself to some form of leadership review and even consider resigning as the Liberal Party leader and Prime Minister.
00:00:27.360This is Justin Trudeau walking out of that caucus meeting yesterday, not looking extremely happy, despite saying that everyone is strong and united.
00:00:45.840I think, and I'm going to play this again, I think that just the way he's walking, it's this very brisk, get me out of here kind of pace.
00:00:53.800And the way he says the Liberal Party is strong and united, has a little bit of a I-want-to-kill-people sort of vibe to it.
00:01:02.180And knowing that I hear that basically half of the people in his party might want him to leave, yeah, he is not in a very good mood right now.
00:01:12.260But let's just take a look at that one more time, because I find it quite satisfying to see Justin Trudeau this uncomfortable with his position as leader.
00:01:19.240If things were truly going well, I feel like Justin Trudeau is the type of guy who would actually have stopped by and talked to reporters for a while.
00:01:35.580You know, we're strong and united and we are focusing on delivering for Canadians, $10 a day childcare, the carbon rebate, whatever.
00:01:43.140He'd mention a bunch of random garbage, but he would stop and talk for a bit.
00:01:47.240He wants to get out of there because he knows a follow-up question is grim death for him.
00:01:52.360He would probably fall apart if anyone asked him, so did they give you the letter saying that you should leave?
00:01:58.900And maybe we should pull up that letter right now and just read some excerpts from it, because I think it's at least decently interesting to see what these people are saying.
00:02:07.760I'll put it on screen for a little bit, but then I'll just take it down because it's basically just kind of slightly blurry text to you guys.
00:02:13.980But it says at the top, code red petition.
00:02:16.780And this was a petition that was signed around by 25 or so liberal MPs.
00:02:23.680I don't believe that they put their names forward, which still proves that there's not many spines to go around inside the liberal party.
00:02:31.220That even in a closed-door caucus meeting, those who have big problems with Justin Trudeau still won't quite identify themselves.
00:02:38.720But they are saying, and this is in the letter, that Justin Trudeau has until October 28th to basically submit himself to some sort of leadership review panel where caucus gets to have an open forum with him.
00:02:52.840People get to bring forward complaints, or at least they get to bring forward complaints to a commission set up by the liberal party within the liberal party, who will then give an actual honest-to-goodness review of how Justin Trudeau has been doing to him directly.
00:03:09.580And then he has to commit to certain changes or step down as leader.
00:03:13.760Now, as a conservative myself, I want these people to lose.
00:03:18.340I think that all these people coming after Justin Trudeau now are just weasels who should have said something nine years ago when he was already doing things that weren't good for the country, and they probably knew it, but they wanted to keep their seats.
00:03:32.380So all this reads as very pathetic to me.
00:03:36.120Regardless, still, in a certain technical sense, Justin Trudeau should be submitting himself to some sort of review.
00:03:43.820But I just want to read a couple lines out of this petition.
00:03:48.340That is actually such an important line.
00:04:12.120They know inside, it's not just that Polyev is propagandizing against us, and that's why people don't like us.
00:04:20.120It's because Polyev's tricking Canadians into not liking our policy agenda.
00:04:25.300No, in this letter, these MPs, these probably mostly backbench MPs, are acknowledging that it's not that Canadians just don't get it or that Polyev's lying about us.
00:04:54.940Now I'm going to read the Our Request part.
00:05:27.340And then they're basically asking for a meeting to give over their grievances, for Trudeau to submit himself to an actual anonymous vote of the caucus on whether or not they want him to stay anonymous,
00:05:47.920so that he can't specifically target individuals who vote against him afterwards, and that Trudeau consider resigning or allow himself to be subject to a membership or a leadership review of the members.
00:06:01.460Now, do I think Trudeau is going to go through that?
00:06:05.060I think he is basically just going to play a game of chicken with these people and see if they're serious enough to actually come out against him, because the ball's in their court.
00:06:13.680In fact, Trudeau has come out and said everything is strong and unified, and now it's these liberal MPs' jobs to come out and say, no, we are not strong and unified.
00:06:23.800Here is what we want, and here is all the MPs who are willing to basically leave caucus or call publicly for his resignation if he doesn't do what we want.
00:06:32.580Because the problem with everything Trudeau's doing now, or the problem with what the liberal MPs want, is that it requires Trudeau to do something.
00:06:41.500They then need to back this up with a threat.
00:06:43.680But now I want to just quickly go through some of the reactions we've seen from liberal MPs leaving this caucus meeting, because a lot of them were also caught by the media and asked their opinions on what's going on.
00:06:56.280So we have this liberal MP, I forget who a lot of these people are, it's not Randy Boissoneau, it's somebody else, but asking them, this minister, about what the real condition is inside of the liberal caucus.
00:07:10.840What does that mean about where things are with his future? Is he staying on and clear? Is that decided, or is that still an open question?
00:07:18.420Well, he has already made clear his views on that, and I think it will be even more clear as he speaks to you.
00:07:25.240But what is even more clear coming out of the caucus is we had also the opportunity of speaking about the good news of the interest rates.
00:07:32.580Yes, we were talking about the good news. Oh yes, all that good news that's going on.
00:07:39.440Nobody actually has emergency caucus meetings, or even in the regular scheduled caucus meetings, do people just talk about the good news?
00:07:47.680People talk about generally what's working, they'll mention some of that, but they'll mostly talk about problems, because you don't need to solve good news stuff, those are just good things that are happening.
00:07:59.480You talk about things that you have to fix, and obviously the thing that has to be fixed inside the liberal party is the terrible policy and the terrible leadership.
00:08:08.480Although I would also add in the fact that they all need spine transplants, but I doubt they would ever talk about that, although they should.
00:08:16.200Here's another one that we have, or at least, yeah, why not? Let's go to Nate Erickson Smith next, who I know some people say he's like one of the honest liberals, and he's very forthwith with his opinion.
00:08:30.840I consider the guy to be a complete weasel, who only ever says things clearly when it seeks to benefit him, and although that describes a lot of politicians, I see him as doing it in this fake, I'm trying to be honest and reach out to the public and speak truth to power kind of a way, when in times like this, even now, he's super vague in his language.
00:08:53.220He's not even running for re-election again, and he won't put his money where his mouth is and just say if he actually thinks Trudeau should stay or not.
00:09:03.320Reflect on what he's heard from colleagues, and I think he's got to find some way to earn the trust of the colleagues who are expressing this frustration, and people are coming at it from different reasons for expressing that frustration.
00:09:13.580The second thing is to my colleagues, you know, as the Prime Minister works to deliver a response to what he heard today, I think it's really important that it's, like, you've got to stand down the palace intrigue, and we can't have the knives in.
00:09:26.580We've got to face the knives out, and we've got to fight the real fight against Pierre Pagliot, and I don't know how interesting that is for you guys, but that's what I said.
00:09:32.800Do you think the colleagues will do that? Do you think they'll stand down?
00:09:35.940If there's a constructive effort to really respond to what was said in there, I hope so.
00:09:41.480Do you think there's, like, a timeline that the Prime Minister needs to kind of get these things done, or at least some of them are underway to show to those colleagues?
00:09:47.500Yeah, yesterday. Yeah, yesterday. I mean, like, especially on the campaign side, right? So, in fairness, you know, the national division.
00:09:54.340See, he'll say something a little bit honest, and then he immediately pulls back, when should these changes have been made?
00:09:59.360Well, yesterday. Oh, well, but to be fair, and then he starts trying to, like, justify himself again. He's so slimy, I find.
00:10:06.500There's some conservatives who respect Nate Erickson Smith. I just don't.
00:10:10.020I think this guy's just out for himself in a very sweaty and desperate way. Like, just look at that committee meeting, where he starts swearing at people, because they said,
00:10:20.220well, I thought Nate would have had more integrity to do this or that, and it was on some sort of thing he wasn't answering questions for.
00:10:26.400And he starts, like, swearing and having a meltdown. I think that the guy is made of pure ego, like so many politicians I know.
00:10:32.920The national director is already, is ready to present a five-point plan. He couldn't do that today because other events overran that.
00:10:39.320But he's ready to present a plan. I think that's part of it. And then I think there's got to be a real reflection on, you know,
00:10:46.420what he heard not only from me, but from other colleagues, to say, how do I re-earn some of that trust,
00:10:50.960and how do I make sure that people are listening to you?
00:10:53.200Well, they're talking to, like, this is, like, the Conservative Party. And what I mean by that is they're acting like there's some sort of, like,
00:11:00.640grassroots democracy going on inside the Liberal Party or the Liberal Party caucus. There isn't.
00:11:07.580The bargain that the Liberal Party made when they had Trudeau come on as leader in 2013 is that we're going to sit back and do nothing.
00:11:15.840And Trudeau and a few advisors are going to push us to victory on the back of his name,
00:11:20.340even though he's a complete dullard and doesn't know anything about policy.
00:11:24.220But, well, at least Gerald Butts or now Katie Telfer, they can make it work.
00:11:28.660You can't now say, where's the accountability? You guys wanted no accountability.
00:11:32.720You wanted the leader who was just going to get it done for you, and you basically just read your scripts whenever you're told to,
00:11:39.400and you're promised to be re-elected from here to the end of time.
00:11:43.260It didn't work out because it was never going to work out, and you were stupid to think it was going to in the first place.
00:11:48.600The policy's bad. And him pretending, like, well, Trudeau's going to release a five-point plan to caucus.
00:11:55.860If that five-point plan, which I don't know what was on, like, new policies they're going to release or other sorts of things they're going to do,
00:12:02.020if that would have changed anything, it would have been presented at that caucus meeting.
00:12:06.180You don't sit there listening to grievances or hearing that there's grievances abound,
00:12:11.000having given the petition and saying that there's, you know, 25 or more MPs who have signed on to this.
00:12:17.080And then you're like, well, I'm not going to mention the thing that might quell your dissatisfaction.
00:12:21.760Trudeau didn't mention it because it didn't matter at all.
00:12:24.360It has nothing to do with people liking him or not, whether or not he has a new five-point plan.
00:12:29.500He's had a lot of new plans in the past, and none of them have, like, resulted in a hill of beans.
00:12:36.420Marie-Claude Bibaud here, another liberal MP leaving the caucus meeting.
00:12:41.480I thought this was, again, another telling post-caucus meeting little scrum interview,
00:12:48.500demonstrating the nervousness and erratic energy inside the party right now,
00:12:52.640who has not dealt with a lot of disgruntled MPs in quite a while.
00:12:57.060How does the Prime Minister move past this? How do you move past this? How do you call the dissent?
00:13:01.300How does the Prime Minister get past this?
00:13:03.940The wheels are turning. She's trying to figure out how to not get herself in trouble.
00:13:07.700I mean, you are amplifying something that is very not to the what you...
00:13:14.060This is very not to the what you trying to say.
00:13:19.540I can't believe you guys are reporting on interesting political intrigue.
00:13:24.640Why are you guys reporting on this? This is your fault.
00:13:27.080Oh my goodness. What kind of, like, does she...
00:13:30.740When she was thinking there for a second, she rolled her dice
00:13:33.600to see if she could come up with a good excuse for this,
00:13:37.080and she rolled double snake eyes here.