The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - December 08, 2024


Trudeau wants to shut down charities he dislikes (ft. Cameron Côté)


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Length

32 minutes

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179.13033

Word Count

5,895

Sentence Count

224

Misogynist Sentences

15

Hate Speech Sentences

13


Summary

Justin Trudeau wants to strip away the funding for Canadian crisis pregnancy centres that provide abortions to pregnant women in order to force them to say they don't provide abortions. Conservative commentator Cameron Cotterill joins The Wyatt Claypool Show to talk about it.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Welcome back to the Wyatt Claypool Show, everyone.
00:00:03.820 The issue we're going to discuss today was something that was brought up a few weeks ago,
00:00:08.980 and although the news cycle has moved on, I think this is one of the worst things
00:00:14.180 that Justin Trudeau and the Liberals have done in targeting free speech that they do not like.
00:00:20.180 But because it seems like a niche issue, I found that it didn't get enough coverage,
00:00:24.840 even from conservative independent media.
00:00:27.320 But that's why I have on the show today Cameron Cote from the Canadian Centre for Bioethical Reform
00:00:34.420 to talk about Justin Trudeau targeting charities he doesn't like, which are crisis pregnancy centres.
00:00:42.240 Trudeau does not like pro-lifers, and so he wants to go after people who simply are providing services for pregnant women.
00:00:50.060 But thank you for coming on to the show, Cameron, and maybe you can do a better job than I did breaking down the issue.
00:00:57.320 Yeah, thanks Wyatt for having me.
00:00:59.120 And this is something that should obviously frustrate us, be it whether we're pro-life, whether we're Christian,
00:01:04.420 whether we are simply free-thinking people.
00:01:07.740 It's something that should frustrate us, but I don't think it's something that should surprise us, right?
00:01:11.280 That Justin Trudeau has made no mystery about his radical support of abortion,
00:01:17.180 dating back to long before he was even a politician kind of thing,
00:01:20.500 that this was something that he set out in 2015 as,
00:01:23.780 you are not welcome in the Liberal Party of Canada unless you fully support abortion.
00:01:28.240 This was one of his, this specific thing, wanting to not only call out,
00:01:32.600 but ultimately defund and strip charity tax status away from pregnancy support centres
00:01:37.740 was something that was a campaign item for him in 2021.
00:01:40.220 So it shouldn't strike us as surprising, but that does mean that it shouldn't be frustrating
00:01:45.640 and mind-boggling that somebody who argues in defence of the quote-unquote middle and lower class
00:01:53.700 is somehow suggesting that we should strip away the support of the pregnancy support centres
00:01:59.980 that are helping literally thousands of people every year navigate some of the most challenging moments in their life.
00:02:06.500 My colleague Jonathan puts it very well, that Justin Trudeau and the Liberals will acknowledge
00:02:10.960 that there are unwanted pregnancies, but will never admit that there's an unwanted abortion,
00:02:15.260 that every abortion should be wanted and desired and provided for,
00:02:18.840 even at the expense of wanted children who their parents simply aren't able to provide for.
00:02:25.720 And the crazy thing about this is it goes even one step further than legislation like Bill C-16 did
00:02:33.480 on compelling speech around pronouns.
00:02:36.240 It is saying that you cannot even properly basically describe your services to people
00:02:42.960 if you don't also go out of your way as a crisis pregnancy centre to say that you do not provide abortions,
00:02:50.060 even though that's ridiculous.
00:02:51.460 I think one of our colleagues between us, Alyssia Globe, had one of the best,
00:02:56.180 or Alyssa Globe had one of the best ways of describing this.
00:02:58.380 It'd be like having the David Suzuki Foundation having to say that it does not drill for oil and gas products.
00:03:05.380 It's like, it's kind of part of their whole MO that they don't,
00:03:08.320 and I don't think anyone's exactly tricked.
00:03:10.560 So the whole thing that Justin Trudeau is going after here,
00:03:14.780 and I'm going to play a clip for everyone,
00:03:16.660 is that he thinks that the fact that these private organisations who raise their own money
00:03:22.780 are somehow bound to serve the government's pro-abortion agenda.
00:03:30.780 And because they are not providing abortions,
00:03:33.580 well then they basically have to ruin their entire, not business model,
00:03:37.340 but entire reason for being,
00:03:39.680 and stop, I guess, advertising themselves as a place to help pregnant women,
00:03:45.120 as long as they don't also say that they won't do abortions.
00:03:48.160 It's weird, but here's him.
00:03:49.180 Today we're moving forward on important legislation focused on pregnancy crisis standards
00:03:54.680 to make sure that women get the right information about the services of support
00:03:58.440 that they need when they're making important life choices.
00:04:02.300 We're always going to be there as a government, as a party,
00:04:04.840 to stand up for women's rights, for women's reproductive rights,
00:04:07.920 and push back against everyone who's trying to take those rights away.
00:04:11.720 I don't even know, and of course thank you for Rebel News for clipping this stuff,
00:04:15.540 I don't exactly have the biggest team in the world,
00:04:17.360 but how is it even taking anyone's quote-unquote right away
00:04:24.180 to be running a charity that provides people with resources, with materials,
00:04:31.400 it provides new mothers with a lot of new materials for their child,
00:04:36.440 and that is considered bad because they don't have a neon sign
00:04:40.240 saying that we don't provide abortions on the front door.
00:04:43.060 Exactly. It's mind-boggling.
00:04:45.880 And I mean, if there is a world in which Canadian pregnancy care centres
00:04:49.720 were projecting that they did perform abortions
00:04:53.100 and scheduling people in for a Thursday afternoon abortion appointment
00:04:56.580 and then marching them into a back room and strapping them down in the back room
00:05:00.260 for the next eight months to make sure that they didn't have an abortion
00:05:02.800 and misleading people by masquerading as though they were an abortion clinic,
00:05:07.240 I could understand something like this, right?
00:05:09.120 If pro-life pregnancy care centres were tricking mothers into coming into their facilities,
00:05:15.480 but as you laid it out, there's no deception that goes into this, right?
00:05:18.520 That if you want to have an abortion and you have the technology to find out
00:05:23.000 where a pregnancy care centre is, you have the technology to find out
00:05:25.720 where an abortion provider is as well.
00:05:27.500 And these are centres, like you mentioned, that are not only providing
00:05:31.380 the vital material support that mothers need,
00:05:34.560 whether they're baby formula or prenatal vitamins or cribs and bassinets
00:05:40.360 and that kind of thing, but they're also offering the kind of intangibles,
00:05:44.280 the parenting classes, the support networks and encouragement
00:05:48.120 that these mothers so desperately need.
00:05:49.860 I'm sure that Justin Trudeau is not going to be campaigning to suggest
00:05:53.080 that abortion facilities that are receiving, whether it's charitable
00:05:56.760 or other kind of government propping up, need to put on their front door,
00:06:00.800 hey, we're not going to help you if you want to keep your baby.
00:06:02.680 We're only here to kill your baby for you.
00:06:05.940 And so it's mind-boggling to think that you would have to advertise
00:06:10.960 the fact that you don't endorse a service.
00:06:14.760 I mean, you bring up the David Suzuki example.
00:06:16.580 I think that an even more apt example would be, as we so often do at CCBR,
00:06:23.180 we try not the toddler.
00:06:24.340 If you've got an adoption agency who has to advertise,
00:06:29.580 hey, we're not going to directly and intentionally kill your two-year-old
00:06:32.480 and that plants in somebody's mind, hey, I'm desperate right now.
00:06:37.220 And the fact that these people are saying that they're not going to kill
00:06:39.440 my two-year-old suggests that there is somebody who might kill my two-year-old.
00:06:42.560 And you know what?
00:06:43.040 I am so at a loss for how to navigate my situation that I'm going to seek
00:06:48.400 out those entities who would be willing to kill my two-year-old.
00:06:51.100 And there's so many layers to this that they are very strategic, I would argue,
00:06:56.860 in trying to not only chop the legs out from underneath a vital service in our country,
00:07:04.180 but also trying to push more and more people towards,
00:07:06.820 oh, but have you thought?
00:07:07.840 Have you thought enough about abortion?
00:07:09.520 How can we encourage you more to consider abortion by forcing our opponents,
00:07:16.680 who aren't even really opponents, they're lovely men and women who are trying to help
00:07:20.240 people in the hardest times of their life, forcing them to plant in your mind the fact
00:07:25.660 that you don't have to go through this hardship.
00:07:27.720 You don't have to be courageous.
00:07:29.120 You don't have to make sacrifice for your child and receive the help and support that's available.
00:07:33.980 You can hit the, as the liberals would like to consider, the great reset button
00:07:38.860 and have an abortion in your life goes back to how it was before.
00:07:43.320 Yeah.
00:07:43.680 And so I guess because you said it was in their 2021 platform,
00:07:48.880 but even though it's in their platform,
00:07:51.980 sometimes platforms have a lot of pie-in-the-sky policy that never get pursued.
00:07:55.220 Why do you think this moved from just being an idea in the platform
00:07:59.160 to being something that they suddenly proposed now?
00:08:02.600 Like, what do you think is the motivation here?
00:08:04.760 So I will admit that I'm not the most politically savvy.
00:08:09.100 From my vantage point, it's got two factors.
00:08:10.880 I think that Justin Trudeau is so desperate to cling to whatever power and acceptance
00:08:16.500 that even his supporters are recognizing that he is driving this nation into the ground.
00:08:21.340 And one of the few cards that he has left in his hand that always whips up a bit of fervor
00:08:26.300 amongst his supporters is bringing up abortion and trying to demonize pro-lifers.
00:08:31.000 But I honestly wonder if this is a challenge call to Poliev and the conservatives,
00:08:39.180 that he knows that he's losing his liberal supporters,
00:08:41.660 but he wonders if Poliev is going to try to stay so far away from this issue
00:08:46.780 that he's not going to allow or himself support an opposition to this
00:08:53.800 and that conservative pro-life voters are just going to be so disenchanted
00:08:57.020 that they're not going to come out to the ballot boxes whenever the next election may be.
00:09:04.420 And he's hoping that this will rally either enough support for him
00:09:08.720 to keep people supporting the liberals or drive enough people away from his opponents
00:09:13.500 because they're so fed up with conservatives not having enough backbone
00:09:17.060 to oppose these kind of suggestions in legislation.
00:09:20.780 I think that it's very strategic timing knowing that he's skating on very thin ice
00:09:25.520 and he wants to really anchor abortion rights as he has throughout his entire political career.
00:09:33.680 Well, and I think a big reason also the kind of, like, I guess, pro-choice, pro-abortion type side
00:09:43.000 doesn't like pregnancy crisis centers or crisis pregnancy centers especially
00:09:47.500 is because it's kind of one of those narrative-destroying entities
00:09:50.800 where you always have that idea of people who are pro-life
00:09:54.100 don't actually care about the kid after it's born.
00:09:56.180 I'm like, they quite literally do.
00:09:58.220 Sorry, but places like Planned Parenthood never actually handed out resources to people.
00:10:05.300 It's always been about one thing.
00:10:06.920 You can't exactly have an organization that does both
00:10:09.600 because it feels very contradictory.
00:10:12.240 Well, and to take that even one step further,
00:10:13.820 we're the only people who care for people
00:10:15.280 or we're largely the only people who care for people
00:10:17.760 after they've chosen abortion as well.
00:10:20.060 And that further undermines their narrative
00:10:22.220 that we provide real choices for people
00:10:25.540 who don't want to pursue with killing their pre-born child.
00:10:28.760 And even if they do proceed with that,
00:10:30.820 we are the ones who are there to support them.
00:10:32.960 And pregnancy care centers do incredible jobs
00:10:34.820 providing hope and healing ministries
00:10:37.080 towards those who've chosen abortion.
00:10:39.420 You go back to an abortion facility,
00:10:41.840 regretting your abortion.
00:10:43.660 And there's very limited support that you're going to get there.
00:10:45.820 Having spoken to thousands of people who have chosen abortion,
00:10:48.380 there's very few abortion centers or abortion providers
00:10:51.780 that are going to provide any form of trauma recovery and support.
00:11:00.140 That's all coming from pregnancy support centers as well.
00:11:02.540 And so, I mean, the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada
00:11:04.760 has acknowledged that many people choosing abortion in Canada
00:11:07.400 don't want to do so and feel as though it's their only option.
00:11:10.720 And so the irony that goes into this cannot be overstated.
00:11:14.900 Yeah.
00:11:15.140 So the main thrust of what the liberals are doing,
00:11:17.880 if I'm correct,
00:11:18.880 I don't want to have missed parts of the legislation,
00:11:21.280 but their main thing is trying to take away
00:11:23.560 the charity tax status of crisis pregnancy centers,
00:11:28.560 assuming that a lot of donations then dry up
00:11:30.820 if people aren't able to get those tax credits.
00:11:34.200 So, and that's something that I think is worth clarifying,
00:11:36.260 that to my understanding,
00:11:37.340 the first step of this is to simply force
00:11:39.840 these pregnancy support centers
00:11:41.200 to be quote-unquote transparent
00:11:43.620 regarding the services that they offer and don't offer,
00:11:47.000 including contraception and birth control.
00:11:49.940 And then my understanding is that the second step
00:11:51.620 will then be attacking any entities.
00:11:54.180 And so it's something of a litmus test right now,
00:11:56.080 similar to the Canada Summer Jobs fiasco
00:11:57.780 that they had several years ago,
00:11:59.580 a litmus test for who aligns ideologically with them
00:12:03.420 and then to be able to strip them down
00:12:05.220 based on the denial of services kind of thing.
00:12:08.280 And you hit the nail on the head
00:12:09.960 that a lot of people,
00:12:10.840 I think even within the pro-life world
00:12:13.200 who are not familiar with running a pro-life entity
00:12:17.000 will say, well,
00:12:19.280 if your supporters believe in your cause enough,
00:12:21.720 then they'll keep supporting
00:12:22.500 even if they lose their charitable tax status.
00:12:24.860 And the truth is that, yeah,
00:12:26.040 the majority of them will,
00:12:27.920 but I don't think that people appreciate the...
00:12:30.840 There's that crossover point between somebody...
00:12:34.860 There's that crossover point
00:12:36.100 between 70% of your donors
00:12:38.000 being able to keep the doors open
00:12:39.520 and the next 30% of somebody
00:12:41.780 who they might not be able to donate $100
00:12:44.220 because now if they don't get the large tax credit back
00:12:48.580 for that small amount of money,
00:12:50.080 well, then it makes it very unworth it for them
00:12:51.900 because they might only be
00:12:53.580 in kind of like the lower income bracket.
00:12:55.660 They might be a senior on a pension,
00:12:57.260 but that 30% is the actual money
00:13:00.420 that makes it all work.
00:13:01.820 Oftentimes there is the infrastructure costs,
00:13:04.340 there is the staff,
00:13:05.580 and then the 30% is the actual resources
00:13:08.540 they're able to hand out
00:13:09.680 and it pays for what takes it
00:13:12.740 from just keeping the lights on to successful.
00:13:15.380 Exactly.
00:13:16.040 Well, we consider the widow's might
00:13:17.420 and how many people, like you mentioned,
00:13:18.880 are dipping into their pension fund.
00:13:20.700 They're dipping into...
00:13:22.540 They're trying to keep the lights on
00:13:25.480 in their own homes and saying,
00:13:26.560 hey, we believe in this mission so much
00:13:28.280 that we are willing to make
00:13:30.100 the most extensive donation possible.
00:13:32.860 I mean, Lord willing,
00:13:33.520 many of those people will be able to find ways
00:13:37.140 to make it work,
00:13:38.120 but you hit the nail on the head
00:13:39.320 that there's often going to be two things that happen.
00:13:41.800 Either their donation is simply going to decrease
00:13:43.700 because they can't afford to maintain
00:13:45.400 that $100 donation
00:13:47.060 without receiving that 30% back
00:13:50.040 and so the donation goes down to 70 bucks
00:13:51.860 or something like that,
00:13:52.840 or they're going to say,
00:13:54.000 okay, well, there's as much as I wholeheartedly
00:13:56.460 appreciate and value this service,
00:14:01.160 this ministry that pregnancy care centers are doing,
00:14:03.600 I can't afford it
00:14:04.540 and I can get a better bang for my buck
00:14:06.200 with another wonderful ministry
00:14:08.860 that is doing something else
00:14:10.040 that I also believe in,
00:14:11.140 be it a soup kitchen,
00:14:13.360 a prison ministry,
00:14:14.500 this or that.
00:14:15.700 I mean, ultimately,
00:14:16.400 Justin Trudeau is going to be going
00:14:17.300 after everybody's tax status,
00:14:18.680 but he wants to be able to focus
00:14:20.740 on pregnancy support centers first
00:14:23.320 and there's going to be a hemorrhaging
00:14:26.520 of financial partnership
00:14:28.140 because of those factors
00:14:29.900 and so pregnancy support centers
00:14:31.600 are not going to be able to provide the care
00:14:33.520 that they were once able to,
00:14:35.220 which again further bolsters
00:14:36.780 the abortion rights movement.
00:14:38.020 It's cutting the leg out
00:14:39.500 from under any other ministry.
00:14:41.280 Think about palliative care.
00:14:42.020 If you say, okay,
00:14:42.960 well, we're going to cut funding
00:14:45.180 to palliative care
00:14:46.200 and then we're going to require them
00:14:48.080 to refer everybody
00:14:49.060 to a euthanasia center
00:14:51.140 where they can be killed painlessly.
00:14:54.380 Okay, well, yeah,
00:14:55.060 we're going to drive up numbers
00:14:56.740 for euthanasia
00:14:57.340 and obviously that's a huge part
00:14:58.740 of the liberal platform as well.
00:15:00.500 So it's not surprising.
00:15:02.720 And by the way,
00:15:03.120 if they can take out one type of charity,
00:15:05.200 if they can remove charitable status
00:15:06.720 from one group that they don't like
00:15:08.260 for a reason as thin as this,
00:15:10.360 even if someone is not pro-life,
00:15:12.360 they should not be under the delusion
00:15:14.420 that this is just going to affect these people
00:15:17.280 and they're never going to go after
00:15:19.080 the thing I support.
00:15:20.360 Like you're saying,
00:15:21.440 yes, there is like palliative care.
00:15:23.480 It's like there's palliative care,
00:15:25.100 like not exactly centers,
00:15:27.600 but places where that specialize
00:15:29.420 in palliative care,
00:15:30.800 seniors, homes,
00:15:31.700 that are they going to be basically penalized
00:15:34.680 because they do not promote
00:15:36.020 the option of made enough?
00:15:38.360 That's something where,
00:15:39.460 oh, because they don't believe
00:15:40.720 in supporting it,
00:15:41.800 they don't believe
00:15:42.400 in bringing it up to people,
00:15:43.760 that they're not going to bring it up.
00:15:44.860 You can go find it yourself,
00:15:46.320 but they're not going to assist you.
00:15:48.080 And that's already like a very clear,
00:15:49.940 that's almost probably a stronger line
00:15:51.700 compared to this
00:15:52.860 because at least that's someone
00:15:53.820 using their full consent
00:15:55.060 to control their own body.
00:15:57.580 But here's a good clip
00:15:59.600 from Chrystia Freeland
00:16:00.520 of the kind of the ongoing justification
00:16:02.540 that they've been using for
00:16:03.960 this somehow being a violation
00:16:05.660 of people's rights.
00:16:06.740 And being a mother is so amazing.
00:16:08.440 And I feel so lucky to be a mother.
00:16:11.200 But I also know
00:16:12.480 that there are few experiences
00:16:15.460 in the life of a woman or a girl
00:16:18.660 than finding out you're pregnant
00:16:21.060 and not wanting to be.
00:16:23.000 That is terrifying.
00:16:24.820 It can be life-changing.
00:16:27.420 It can be a tragedy.
00:16:29.540 Maybe for some people,
00:16:30.420 it can be an unexpected miracle.
00:16:31.800 But every single woman in...
00:16:34.560 Sorry, I just have to cut her off there
00:16:36.020 for a second.
00:16:36.540 She really frames that in
00:16:37.860 as like, it's mostly terrifying.
00:16:40.780 But in some cases,
00:16:41.980 it's an unexpected miracle.
00:16:43.340 And also, how would she know?
00:16:44.900 It's never happened to her.
00:16:45.820 She's just parroting political talking points.
00:16:48.560 Exactly.
00:16:49.040 A girl in Canada
00:16:50.940 who finds herself with an unwanted pregnancy
00:16:53.900 or maybe a wanted pregnancy
00:16:55.900 that is not viable.
00:16:58.380 She deserves fully transparent information
00:17:02.720 and fully transparent care.
00:17:05.720 I believe that absolutely profoundly.
00:17:08.040 This measure,
00:17:09.140 which was a 2021 platform commitment,
00:17:11.560 is about ensuring
00:17:13.700 that every single woman and girl
00:17:16.160 in that kind of a terrifying situation
00:17:21.860 is not misled,
00:17:23.840 has clear and transparent information.
00:17:27.220 And it's about ensuring
00:17:29.120 that the money of Canadians
00:17:30.840 is not being used
00:17:32.360 to underwrite organizations
00:17:34.000 that mislead young women and girls.
00:17:38.560 Even just the way the framing there
00:17:40.360 is like,
00:17:40.600 she's protecting Canadians
00:17:42.120 from having their money
00:17:43.360 not used for the things
00:17:44.620 that they want it to be used for.
00:17:45.820 I'm like, it's a charity.
00:17:46.920 People voluntarily donate.
00:17:49.160 It's literally,
00:17:50.040 this is like,
00:17:50.620 this is that kind of stupid consent meme
00:17:52.880 of like,
00:17:53.480 did you forget somebody?
00:17:54.920 And it's just like a whole,
00:17:55.940 I consent, I consent.
00:17:57.360 And then random Canadian
00:17:58.800 who didn't donate
00:17:59.560 to the Pregnancy Crisis Center,
00:18:01.280 I don't.
00:18:02.140 I don't consent to you
00:18:03.600 spending your own money
00:18:04.680 to pursue your own goals
00:18:06.540 of protecting,
00:18:07.740 not even protecting exactly,
00:18:10.020 just giving,
00:18:10.600 giving resources,
00:18:13.060 doing free ultrasounds,
00:18:14.620 doing all of this stuff
00:18:15.740 that if anything
00:18:16.740 is taking pressure
00:18:18.160 off of the normal medical system.
00:18:21.000 It is literally good
00:18:22.240 for the medical system
00:18:23.360 to have people
00:18:24.120 doing all this prenatal care
00:18:25.460 away from a hospital,
00:18:27.120 away from another clinic.
00:18:28.820 It's just obvious stuff.
00:18:30.820 So they're going to shoot
00:18:32.080 the medical system in the foot
00:18:34.200 for no reason over all this.
00:18:36.140 Oh, absolutely.
00:18:36.800 And so they're going to have
00:18:37.720 a greater burden
00:18:38.300 on the Canadian medical system.
00:18:39.900 And then they're going to,
00:18:41.380 again, flood people
00:18:42.280 towards abortions
00:18:43.160 because abortion is cheaper
00:18:44.400 than actually helping people.
00:18:46.260 Right.
00:18:46.420 And that's something
00:18:47.320 that the Liberal government
00:18:49.900 is committed to.
00:18:50.780 And you mentioned
00:18:51.700 the framing of everything.
00:18:53.100 I mean,
00:18:53.260 the only thing
00:18:53.700 that goes through my mind
00:18:54.360 when I hear somebody
00:18:55.060 frame abortion
00:18:55.740 as terrifying as that
00:18:56.820 is the,
00:18:57.520 whatever,
00:18:58.200 the gym teacher
00:18:58.900 from what is
00:18:59.840 the Lindsay Lohan movie
00:19:01.020 of mean girls
00:19:02.480 of if you have sex,
00:19:04.040 you will get pregnant
00:19:04.740 and you will die
00:19:05.720 kind of thing
00:19:06.780 that like just implying
00:19:08.400 that the pregnancy
00:19:09.140 is literally
00:19:10.000 the most incurable
00:19:11.660 and most terrible thing
00:19:13.520 that could happen
00:19:13.980 to anybody.
00:19:15.060 Yeah,
00:19:15.680 I get that pregnancy
00:19:16.980 can be overwhelming.
00:19:17.860 I get the pregnancy
00:19:18.640 can be difficult.
00:19:20.000 There are challenges
00:19:20.660 in our world,
00:19:21.480 many of which
00:19:22.340 have been put in place
00:19:23.100 by the Liberal government
00:19:23.920 by making it
00:19:25.180 incredibly difficult
00:19:26.120 to thrive
00:19:26.860 in today's society.
00:19:28.400 And these pregnancy
00:19:29.040 support centers
00:19:29.800 are literally
00:19:30.620 the leading cause
00:19:32.740 of alleviating
00:19:34.080 that suffering,
00:19:34.940 alleviating that
00:19:35.800 difficulty and strain
00:19:37.040 again by not only
00:19:38.580 providing material resources
00:19:40.020 generously donated
00:19:41.460 by their faithful
00:19:42.420 and fully
00:19:43.820 like acknowledging partners
00:19:46.440 but also the
00:19:47.840 support systems,
00:19:49.280 the intangibles,
00:19:50.080 the parenting classes,
00:19:52.140 the support
00:19:53.680 that is so valuable
00:19:55.700 and that is often
00:19:56.960 recognized in polling
00:19:58.360 as being the biggest
00:20:00.180 reasons why people
00:20:00.940 consider abortion
00:20:01.800 is because they feel
00:20:02.640 isolated,
00:20:03.120 because they feel
00:20:04.040 as though they're
00:20:04.860 doing it all by themselves.
00:20:06.060 The pregnancy care centers
00:20:06.840 are the ones that are
00:20:07.580 accompanying people
00:20:08.380 along these journeys
00:20:09.340 and you couldn't put it
00:20:12.420 better.
00:20:12.700 The Liberal government
00:20:13.340 is just shooting
00:20:13.960 themselves in the foot
00:20:14.940 which I'm sure
00:20:15.700 is partly their plan
00:20:17.520 to be able to push
00:20:18.440 more and more people
00:20:19.080 towards abortion anyways.
00:20:20.640 And I've said this before
00:20:21.820 in other videos,
00:20:23.020 it's not just that
00:20:24.360 I disagree with the Liberal
00:20:25.440 position.
00:20:25.920 It's like when people
00:20:27.460 find out,
00:20:28.620 when people who might
00:20:29.440 even say I'm fully
00:20:30.780 pro-choice,
00:20:31.320 all this stuff,
00:20:31.800 when they find out
00:20:32.800 the almost like
00:20:35.280 goblin-like position
00:20:36.440 that the Liberals
00:20:37.100 have on this issue,
00:20:38.240 it's like you're going
00:20:38.920 after this charity
00:20:39.500 because they don't
00:20:40.380 advertise themselves
00:20:41.360 as a thing that they're
00:20:42.100 not.
00:20:42.740 And then they vote
00:20:43.860 against laws that
00:20:44.920 would protect pregnant
00:20:45.840 women from being
00:20:47.060 assaulted or murdered
00:20:48.140 and not having
00:20:48.920 upgraded charges
00:20:50.120 for the person who
00:20:50.980 did.
00:20:51.300 That's not even
00:20:52.040 like in the bounds
00:20:53.400 of a discussion
00:20:54.540 of,
00:20:55.100 well,
00:20:55.440 you know,
00:20:55.820 is that,
00:20:56.460 you know,
00:20:56.680 is like,
00:20:57.040 why are you
00:20:57.340 pro-choice,
00:20:57.920 pro-life?
00:20:58.220 And everyone
00:20:58.520 would be like,
00:20:58.940 are you against
00:20:59.640 crime?
00:21:00.580 Are you against
00:21:01.380 murder?
00:21:02.120 Like literal
00:21:03.040 murdering somebody
00:21:04.160 and then costing
00:21:05.140 them also another,
00:21:07.400 even if we're not
00:21:08.500 even saying life,
00:21:09.640 just for argument's
00:21:11.240 sake,
00:21:11.680 you've cost them
00:21:12.480 a great amount
00:21:14.520 of like,
00:21:15.760 like a great
00:21:16.760 potential,
00:21:17.700 I mean,
00:21:18.220 which you can be
00:21:19.100 sued for,
00:21:19.680 which means that
00:21:20.220 you could be upgraded,
00:21:21.540 an upgrade sentence
00:21:22.280 for.
00:21:22.820 They won't even
00:21:23.520 acknowledge like an
00:21:24.660 unborn child is even
00:21:25.920 in the realms of
00:21:26.760 like a physical
00:21:27.560 object that is
00:21:28.520 destroyed by a
00:21:29.340 criminal.
00:21:30.600 Well,
00:21:30.640 exactly.
00:21:31.020 And this is just
00:21:32.120 how deeply rooted
00:21:33.240 this is in the
00:21:34.000 minds of these
00:21:35.140 niche politicians,
00:21:36.760 right?
00:21:36.960 That,
00:21:37.320 that,
00:21:37.660 I mean,
00:21:37.860 we,
00:21:38.180 we knock on
00:21:38.940 10,000 doors
00:21:39.960 every year.
00:21:40.660 I'm in Western
00:21:41.460 Canada,
00:21:42.420 thousands more
00:21:43.220 beyond that
00:21:44.300 across Canada.
00:21:44.920 And the vast
00:21:45.740 majority of people
00:21:46.420 don't actually
00:21:47.400 believe this,
00:21:48.080 that the liberal
00:21:48.660 government is getting
00:21:49.320 so far down
00:21:50.460 their little echo
00:21:51.320 chamber that
00:21:52.500 they are projecting
00:21:53.680 that Canadians are
00:21:56.000 threatened by
00:21:56.860 pregnancy support
00:21:57.620 centers.
00:21:58.020 And it's only a
00:21:59.340 very small number
00:22:00.160 of ideologues that
00:22:01.060 are actually
00:22:02.340 concerned about
00:22:02.860 this,
00:22:03.080 but they are
00:22:03.480 kicking and
00:22:03.960 screaming because
00:22:04.820 it's not good
00:22:06.860 enough that so
00:22:07.980 many pregnancy
00:22:08.440 care centers have
00:22:09.200 already bent over
00:22:10.180 backwards to
00:22:11.700 modify their
00:22:12.840 language,
00:22:13.240 to modify their
00:22:14.240 information.
00:22:14.600 abortion.
00:22:14.740 I mean,
00:22:14.880 there's a very,
00:22:16.820 very active
00:22:17.680 debate within
00:22:18.300 the pro-life
00:22:18.740 community about
00:22:19.880 the language that
00:22:20.960 some pregnancy
00:22:21.440 support centers
00:22:22.160 are already
00:22:22.920 using,
00:22:23.460 right?
00:22:23.620 I mean,
00:22:23.880 I get asked
00:22:24.560 all the time
00:22:24.920 about pregnancy
00:22:25.340 support centers
00:22:26.100 that do refer
00:22:27.380 people to
00:22:28.680 abortion facilities,
00:22:30.780 that do fully
00:22:31.820 acknowledge that
00:22:33.200 they don't
00:22:35.000 perform abortions
00:22:35.840 and that they're
00:22:36.460 going to have to
00:22:36.880 go elsewhere to
00:22:37.880 obtain an abortion.
00:22:39.140 And this isn't
00:22:39.820 about secrecy.
00:22:40.540 This isn't any
00:22:41.840 kind of over
00:22:44.040 projection by
00:22:44.880 these pregnancy
00:22:45.300 support centers.
00:22:46.040 It's absolutely
00:22:46.760 bonkers.
00:22:48.280 I feel like I've
00:22:49.080 said that four
00:22:49.480 times already,
00:22:50.260 but it's insane
00:22:51.020 that they want
00:22:52.340 these pregnancy
00:22:52.800 care centers to
00:22:54.000 beat the drum
00:22:56.080 on behalf of
00:22:57.200 the abortion
00:22:57.580 movement.
00:22:58.220 It doesn't have
00:22:58.860 to happen in
00:23:00.720 reverse.
00:23:01.200 The abortion
00:23:01.520 clinics don't
00:23:02.080 have to tell
00:23:02.620 you that they
00:23:03.120 don't actually
00:23:03.600 provide all the
00:23:04.940 other services.
00:23:06.020 That's just
00:23:06.700 assumed that
00:23:08.000 they're not going
00:23:08.580 to do it,
00:23:09.220 which is probably
00:23:09.680 telling about
00:23:10.360 what people
00:23:10.820 think of them,
00:23:11.380 that they're
00:23:11.600 not there to
00:23:12.200 help in any
00:23:13.460 other way.
00:23:14.500 But is there
00:23:15.380 any legal
00:23:15.900 challenges that
00:23:16.780 are currently
00:23:17.420 being backed
00:23:18.240 by CCBR or
00:23:19.400 any other
00:23:19.820 organization that
00:23:20.920 is committed
00:23:21.820 to fighting
00:23:22.300 this legislation
00:23:23.400 if passed?
00:23:24.520 So I know
00:23:25.200 that there are
00:23:25.640 a number of
00:23:26.340 incredible lawyers
00:23:27.320 across Canada
00:23:28.400 who work
00:23:29.100 diligently to
00:23:30.420 combat any
00:23:31.240 attacks against
00:23:31.920 life and
00:23:32.680 against the
00:23:33.700 courageous men
00:23:34.460 and women that
00:23:35.060 are defending it.
00:23:36.260 I don't know
00:23:36.920 if there's
00:23:37.200 anything that
00:23:37.640 has been brought
00:23:38.120 forward quite
00:23:38.720 yet.
00:23:39.000 It's something
00:23:39.900 that CCBR has
00:23:40.780 not been
00:23:41.100 directly related
00:23:41.880 to as we
00:23:42.740 are not a
00:23:43.140 pregnancy support
00:23:43.800 center ourselves.
00:23:45.160 But certainly
00:23:45.640 we work hand
00:23:46.140 in hand with
00:23:46.660 a lot of
00:23:46.980 pregnancy support
00:23:47.540 centers and I
00:23:48.100 know that many
00:23:48.700 of them are
00:23:49.280 evaluating what
00:23:50.540 kind of pushback
00:23:51.560 can there be,
00:23:52.280 what kind of
00:23:52.620 petitions can be
00:23:53.300 presented,
00:23:54.140 what kind of
00:23:54.620 correspondence can
00:23:55.360 there be had
00:23:55.940 with members of
00:23:57.180 the government
00:23:57.540 to oppose
00:23:58.220 these measures
00:24:00.440 and what kind
00:24:01.500 of legal action
00:24:02.080 might be
00:24:02.960 required if it
00:24:04.920 is pushed
00:24:06.080 upon
00:24:06.520 pregnancy support
00:24:07.460 centers that
00:24:08.100 they undermine
00:24:08.760 their own
00:24:09.300 ministry and
00:24:10.580 have to
00:24:11.480 point out
00:24:12.620 these asinine
00:24:14.920 kind of
00:24:15.560 worldview
00:24:17.200 statements that
00:24:18.140 anybody with
00:24:19.300 a couple of
00:24:19.960 brain cells to
00:24:20.500 rub together
00:24:20.880 would already
00:24:21.380 know that they
00:24:21.980 don't provide.
00:24:23.680 Fair enough.
00:24:24.580 Well, I want to
00:24:25.260 move on from
00:24:25.740 that topic and
00:24:26.800 maybe to end it
00:24:27.540 off in the last
00:24:28.140 few minutes here,
00:24:28.840 I just wanted to
00:24:29.300 ask you about
00:24:30.100 what you
00:24:30.860 specifically do,
00:24:31.800 what CCBR does,
00:24:32.900 and I'm going
00:24:34.000 to link in the
00:24:34.480 description below
00:24:35.260 and pinned at
00:24:35.760 the top of the
00:24:36.300 comments for
00:24:36.820 anyone who wants
00:24:37.420 to go follow
00:24:37.840 your channel,
00:24:38.440 the Pro-Life
00:24:38.860 Guys podcast,
00:24:40.180 but maybe if you
00:24:41.160 could describe to
00:24:42.000 people what CCBR
00:24:42.960 does, because even
00:24:43.800 in the pro-life
00:24:44.800 world, usually you
00:24:45.680 don't have, you
00:24:46.740 know, your
00:24:47.240 acronym is quite
00:24:48.120 long, so it's
00:24:49.040 good to kind of
00:24:51.000 notice of what's
00:24:51.660 going on there.
00:24:53.000 Oh, absolutely.
00:24:53.560 So often we think
00:24:54.720 about the pro-life
00:24:55.340 movement as having
00:24:55.980 three distinct but
00:24:56.900 collaborative arms.
00:24:57.760 We have the crisis
00:24:58.860 arm of the pro-life
00:24:59.600 movement that are
00:25:00.160 these pregnancy care
00:25:00.940 centers that are the
00:25:01.780 post-abortive
00:25:02.280 healing ministry,
00:25:02.900 communities that
00:25:03.180 are specialized
00:25:04.320 towards providing
00:25:05.380 one-on-one or
00:25:06.400 small group care
00:25:07.040 towards those in
00:25:07.760 moments of crisis,
00:25:08.800 and yet there's a
00:25:09.820 ton of people who
00:25:10.900 don't even think
00:25:11.520 about pregnancy care
00:25:12.200 centers, right?
00:25:12.680 We have almost
00:25:14.300 10,000 people a
00:25:15.460 year, probably
00:25:16.320 between 5,000 and
00:25:17.180 7,000 people each
00:25:18.120 year that go to the
00:25:18.800 Kensington abortion
00:25:19.400 facility without ever
00:25:20.540 having stepped into a
00:25:21.820 pregnancy care center
00:25:22.600 in Calgary, and so
00:25:24.360 the fact that
00:25:24.760 support is available
00:25:25.460 is not sufficient for
00:25:27.160 many of these people
00:25:28.140 to choose life for
00:25:29.180 their children.
00:25:29.700 We think about the
00:25:30.260 political arm of the
00:25:31.180 pro-life movement
00:25:31.680 working to nominate,
00:25:33.000 elect, and lobby
00:25:33.540 politicians.
00:25:34.740 CCBR is an
00:25:35.800 educational organization.
00:25:36.960 We are proactively
00:25:37.780 engaging Canadians on
00:25:38.980 street corners and on
00:25:39.900 doorsteps with the
00:25:41.280 reality of what abortion
00:25:42.060 does to pre-born
00:25:42.840 children and engaging
00:25:43.760 them in street-tested,
00:25:44.960 compassionate, and
00:25:45.800 compelling conversations
00:25:46.820 about abortion.
00:25:47.540 We want to reach people
00:25:48.240 before they find
00:25:49.080 themselves at the
00:25:50.120 Kensington abortion
00:25:51.080 facility or the local
00:25:52.220 abortion facility in
00:25:53.720 other communities across
00:25:54.820 Canada.
00:25:55.140 We want to reach people
00:25:56.320 before they get into a
00:25:57.380 ballot box and are
00:25:58.540 deciding on priorities
00:26:01.380 that should be very
00:26:03.440 heavily weighted, but
00:26:04.500 maybe not as heavily
00:26:05.300 weighted as whether or
00:26:06.520 not we can intentionally
00:26:07.400 kill innocent human
00:26:08.300 beings.
00:26:09.260 And so we want to reach
00:26:09.780 them before that.
00:26:10.420 We want to reach them
00:26:11.060 proactively as they are
00:26:13.880 forming their worldview and
00:26:15.220 as they are acting on
00:26:16.520 that worldview that has
00:26:17.340 been formed.
00:26:18.180 And the Pro-Life Guys
00:26:18.760 podcast is a show that I
00:26:20.020 host that aims to equip
00:26:21.580 people with those tools on
00:26:23.080 how to have compassionate
00:26:24.300 and compelling
00:26:24.940 conversations because it
00:26:25.960 can feel awkward.
00:26:27.380 It can be uncomfortable.
00:26:28.260 It can be scary even at
00:26:29.740 times to have meaningful
00:26:32.460 conversations, whether
00:26:33.400 they be with our friends,
00:26:34.580 our family, with our
00:26:35.340 co-workers, whether it's
00:26:36.720 somebody who's going out
00:26:37.600 and prayerfully witnessing
00:26:39.380 outside of an abortion
00:26:40.400 facility and are being
00:26:42.320 harassed by people who are
00:26:43.380 walking by and asking
00:26:45.560 questions that they don't
00:26:46.340 know how to respond to.
00:26:47.320 I think that it's important
00:26:48.200 that we as Pro-Lifers are
00:26:49.760 equipped with tried and
00:26:51.820 tested tools for how to
00:26:53.380 change hearts and
00:26:54.280 minds on these issues.
00:26:55.640 And we've been blessed to
00:26:57.500 have incredible success
00:26:58.620 with these tools.
00:26:59.960 We witness around 25% of
00:27:02.440 the people that we talk to
00:27:03.560 who come into a
00:27:04.600 conversation supporting
00:27:05.660 abortion walk away fully
00:27:07.080 Pro-Life, an additional
00:27:08.540 20 to 25% more becoming
00:27:11.160 significantly more Pro-Life.
00:27:13.140 Just over half of the
00:27:14.140 people are walking away
00:27:15.300 with a similar worldview to
00:27:17.040 what they walk into a
00:27:17.960 conversation with, which is
00:27:19.020 absolutely incredible.
00:27:20.640 And those often aren't
00:27:22.180 layups.
00:27:22.500 Those are people who are
00:27:23.920 very adamantly supportive
00:27:25.660 of abortion and walking
00:27:26.860 away with an entirely
00:27:27.760 different worldview.
00:27:28.780 And so this is something
00:27:30.420 that's a conservative who
00:27:32.160 talks about a lot of
00:27:33.080 different policy issues and
00:27:34.520 whatnot, you know,
00:27:35.860 immigration, economics,
00:27:38.240 trade, foreign policy.
00:27:40.000 And I am a pro-life
00:27:41.620 conservative.
00:27:42.100 And the thing is, I'm always
00:27:43.200 shocked that whenever I bring
00:27:44.420 it up, honestly, it's some of
00:27:45.760 the easiest political
00:27:46.680 conversations I've ever had
00:27:47.980 because people don't know what
00:27:49.900 they don't know when it comes
00:27:51.200 to the issue.
00:27:52.420 And like, again, it's just an
00:27:54.120 incredible, like, just fact
00:27:57.380 that Canada and North Korea are
00:27:59.480 the only two countries where
00:28:00.960 there's literally no
00:28:02.000 restriction.
00:28:02.480 And so I will get into
00:28:03.820 conversations with people and
00:28:05.300 they'll be like, well, so you
00:28:06.640 are like, I don't want to ban
00:28:08.140 it or anything like that.
00:28:09.420 And they're like talking like
00:28:10.500 that's the next step that's
00:28:12.140 being proposed, that we're
00:28:13.260 going to go from a 16 week
00:28:15.020 threshold down to zero.
00:28:17.000 It's like, no, we literally
00:28:18.220 have nothing.
00:28:19.360 Can we agree to something?
00:28:21.400 Because I think everyone would
00:28:22.260 agree to something outside of
00:28:24.060 maybe 5% of crazy people who
00:28:26.080 think that this is totally
00:28:27.580 cool.
00:28:28.140 We are, we are considered very
00:28:29.800 strange compared, not like, oh,
00:28:32.060 the U S the U S is considered
00:28:33.680 strange to Europe in most
00:28:35.240 states because everywhere is
00:28:36.780 more restrictive than Canada,
00:28:38.680 except for North Korea, where
00:28:40.420 it's probably technically a
00:28:41.700 little bit worse because they
00:28:42.580 can tell you whether you get
00:28:43.900 to keep or not.
00:28:45.780 But anyways, that's a bit of
00:28:47.980 an aside, but also a link for
00:28:49.620 people, the CCBR website, so
00:28:51.380 they can go check that out for
00:28:52.400 themselves as well.
00:28:53.560 But I would encourage people to
00:28:54.660 go subscribe to your podcast,
00:28:56.520 even if they're not for life,
00:28:57.700 because a lot of your points
00:28:59.520 about talking to people can
00:29:01.380 easily be copy and pasted to
00:29:03.840 literally any other issue.
00:29:05.240 There's just some fundamental
00:29:06.220 ways that you approach more
00:29:07.800 controversial issues, hot
00:29:09.580 button political topics.
00:29:11.060 Anyone can go to a door and
00:29:12.180 say, Hey, do you dislike the
00:29:13.820 carbon tax?
00:29:14.840 And then have the person agree
00:29:16.000 with them.
00:29:16.560 But there is a greater skill in
00:29:18.520 taking an issue where the media,
00:29:20.780 the political establishment is
00:29:22.280 all gearing somebody towards
00:29:24.180 wanting to resist, but then
00:29:26.200 just being able to open up the
00:29:27.440 conversation with a few words
00:29:28.780 and makes the person realize
00:29:30.020 there's a bit more to this,
00:29:31.640 you know, than meets the eye.
00:29:33.640 Exactly.
00:29:34.160 And to be able to win people,
00:29:35.400 right?
00:29:36.040 Winning arguments is very easy
00:29:37.620 to do, especially on the
00:29:39.540 pro-life issue, right?
00:29:40.380 That we don't kill humans to
00:29:41.520 solve problems, right?
00:29:42.800 We don't kill born humans to
00:29:43.860 solve problems.
00:29:44.340 Why are we killing pre-born
00:29:45.100 humans to solve problems?
00:29:45.980 The science is very simple.
00:29:47.920 Winning arguments on abortion,
00:29:49.280 just like winning arguments on a
00:29:50.280 lot of those issues that you
00:29:51.100 brought up, is very easy.
00:29:53.600 It's much more complicated to
00:29:55.220 win people because people are
00:29:57.040 complex and wonderfully and
00:29:58.900 beautifully so.
00:30:00.300 And how do we draw people
00:30:02.020 towards the pro-life worldview?
00:30:03.640 How do we draw people towards
00:30:05.340 a more sustainable worldview?
00:30:07.740 And on lots of other issues as
00:30:08.860 well, that these can be applied.
00:30:10.340 I literally gave a workshop up in
00:30:11.600 Hinton a couple of weeks ago on
00:30:13.280 how to talk about euthanasia and
00:30:14.480 assisted suicide using the exact
00:30:15.960 same tools that we use for
00:30:18.200 talking about abortion.
00:30:19.000 I'm sure that they can translate
00:30:20.720 incredibly well towards any other
00:30:23.180 pertinent issue and do more than
00:30:25.760 just win an argument.
00:30:26.780 Win people to your cause.
00:30:28.660 Oh my goodness.
00:30:29.460 Honestly, the best resource on
00:30:31.860 pushing back against MAID in
00:30:34.220 Canada and around the world has
00:30:35.780 been the really creepy
00:30:37.120 advertisements they have for
00:30:38.780 MAID services by the people
00:30:40.140 themselves.
00:30:41.000 I don't even need to go into
00:30:41.920 that, but the fact that there
00:30:43.340 is such a thing as a suicide
00:30:44.500 pod is telling.
00:30:46.560 Yeah.
00:30:47.000 Yeah.
00:30:47.760 Anyways, okay.
00:30:48.940 I guess that's a great place to
00:30:50.180 leave this off, but yeah,
00:30:51.240 everyone should go subscribe to
00:30:52.280 your channel, check out the
00:30:53.300 CCBR website, and no doubt I'm
00:30:55.740 probably going to have you on in
00:30:56.760 the future, especially as both
00:30:58.240 this issue develops and other
00:30:59.660 ones develop.
00:31:00.860 I always find that that's the
00:31:02.900 thing that drives me up the wall
00:31:04.120 about Canadian conservatism at the
00:31:06.340 moment is that there is not that
00:31:07.900 pro-life leg of the stool on as
00:31:10.780 firmly, even though all the pro-life
00:31:12.820 groups exist.
00:31:15.240 They're all working hard, but I find
00:31:17.140 from the politicians' perspective,
00:31:18.960 most of them kind of keep them at
00:31:21.120 arm's length because they're like,
00:31:22.180 well, I'm going to lose votes if I
00:31:24.040 talk to those people.
00:31:24.740 I'm like, guys, it is the issue
00:31:26.480 that has not been mined at all.
00:31:28.360 Even from a purely selfish
00:31:30.160 perspective, it's so easy to win on
00:31:32.480 saying, hey, shouldn't we ban sex
00:31:34.120 selective abortion?
00:31:35.020 That sounds really gross that we do
00:31:37.100 that.
00:31:37.900 It's so easy to find the liberals are
00:31:40.880 like overextended to a cartoonish
00:31:43.060 extent right now.
00:31:44.120 And seeing that nobody wants to take
00:31:45.980 the, you know, take the lead on this
00:31:48.460 and strike at them is always a bit
00:31:50.500 annoying to me.
00:31:51.180 Like, of course, we have great MPs like
00:31:52.980 Arnold Veersen and Kathy Wagnenthal and
00:31:55.600 Leslie Lewis and other people who will
00:31:57.200 actually speak out on it.
00:31:58.180 But, you know, more is always better.
00:32:00.740 Yeah.
00:32:00.940 And to be able to hold people
00:32:02.160 accountable, not only the pro-life
00:32:03.640 politicians that have been carrying the
00:32:05.280 banner for so long and to affirm them
00:32:07.280 and support them, but also call out the
00:32:09.800 leaders that might hinder this.
00:32:12.500 That, I mean, Arnold Veersen has gotten
00:32:14.960 backlash for his pro-life worldview from
00:32:17.420 members within the Conservative Party
00:32:18.640 and to be able to reach out and invite,
00:32:21.500 encourage, empower, demand that those
00:32:24.120 Conservatives stand up for pregnancy
00:32:26.040 care centres.
00:32:26.680 This is an incredible opportunity.
00:32:28.820 This is absolutely a hill, maybe not to
00:32:31.620 die literally on, but nobody's asking you
00:32:34.180 to die literally on this hill where we're
00:32:37.340 asking this is a hill.
00:32:38.600 At the very least, we're sending a few
00:32:40.080 emails and maybe a few phone calls towards
00:32:41.700 your MP's office.
00:32:43.060 Yeah.
00:32:43.800 Well, anyways, well, thanks for coming on
00:32:45.100 to the show, Cameron, and definitely
00:32:47.340 having you on next time.
00:32:48.900 Everyone go check out his podcast,
00:32:50.580 check out the CCBR website, and I'll see
00:32:53.580 you guys next time.