The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Trudeau wants to shut down charities he dislikes (ft. Cameron Côté)

00:00:00.000 Welcome back to the Wyatt Claypool Show, everyone.

00:00:03.820 The issue we're going to discuss today was something that was brought up a few weeks ago,

00:00:08.980 and although the news cycle has moved on, I think this is one of the worst things

00:00:14.180 that Justin Trudeau and the Liberals have done in targeting free speech that they do not like.

00:00:20.180 But because it seems like a niche issue, I found that it didn't get enough coverage,

00:00:24.840 even from conservative independent media.

00:00:27.320 But that's why I have on the show today Cameron Cote from the Canadian Centre for Bioethical Reform

00:00:34.420 to talk about Justin Trudeau targeting charities he doesn't like, which are crisis pregnancy centres.

00:00:42.240 Trudeau does not like pro-lifers, and so he wants to go after people who simply are providing services for pregnant women.

00:00:50.060 But thank you for coming on to the show, Cameron, and maybe you can do a better job than I did breaking down the issue.

00:00:57.320 Yeah, thanks Wyatt for having me.

00:00:59.120 And this is something that should obviously frustrate us, be it whether we're pro-life, whether we're Christian,

00:01:04.420 whether we are simply free-thinking people.

00:01:07.740 It's something that should frustrate us, but I don't think it's something that should surprise us, right?

00:01:11.280 That Justin Trudeau has made no mystery about his radical support of abortion,

00:01:17.180 dating back to long before he was even a politician kind of thing,

00:01:20.500 that this was something that he set out in 2015 as,

00:01:23.780 you are not welcome in the Liberal Party of Canada unless you fully support abortion. 1.00

00:01:28.240 This was one of his, this specific thing, wanting to not only call out,

00:01:32.600 but ultimately defund and strip charity tax status away from pregnancy support centres

00:01:37.740 was something that was a campaign item for him in 2021.

00:01:40.220 So it shouldn't strike us as surprising, but that does mean that it shouldn't be frustrating

00:01:45.640 and mind-boggling that somebody who argues in defence of the quote-unquote middle and lower class

00:01:53.700 is somehow suggesting that we should strip away the support of the pregnancy support centres

00:01:59.980 that are helping literally thousands of people every year navigate some of the most challenging moments in their life.

00:02:06.500 My colleague Jonathan puts it very well, that Justin Trudeau and the Liberals will acknowledge

00:02:10.960 that there are unwanted pregnancies, but will never admit that there's an unwanted abortion,

00:02:15.260 that every abortion should be wanted and desired and provided for, 0.91

00:02:18.840 even at the expense of wanted children who their parents simply aren't able to provide for.

00:02:25.720 And the crazy thing about this is it goes even one step further than legislation like Bill C-16 did

00:02:33.480 on compelling speech around pronouns.

00:02:36.240 It is saying that you cannot even properly basically describe your services to people

00:02:42.960 if you don't also go out of your way as a crisis pregnancy centre to say that you do not provide abortions,

00:02:50.060 even though that's ridiculous.

00:02:51.460 I think one of our colleagues between us, Alyssia Globe, had one of the best,

00:02:56.180 or Alyssa Globe had one of the best ways of describing this.

00:02:58.380 It'd be like having the David Suzuki Foundation having to say that it does not drill for oil and gas products.

00:03:05.380 It's like, it's kind of part of their whole MO that they don't,

00:03:08.320 and I don't think anyone's exactly tricked.

00:03:10.560 So the whole thing that Justin Trudeau is going after here,

00:03:14.780 and I'm going to play a clip for everyone,

00:03:16.660 is that he thinks that the fact that these private organisations who raise their own money

00:03:22.780 are somehow bound to serve the government's pro-abortion agenda.

00:03:30.780 And because they are not providing abortions,

00:03:33.580 well then they basically have to ruin their entire, not business model,

00:03:37.340 but entire reason for being,

00:03:39.680 and stop, I guess, advertising themselves as a place to help pregnant women,

00:03:45.120 as long as they don't also say that they won't do abortions.

00:03:48.160 It's weird, but here's him.

00:03:49.180 Today we're moving forward on important legislation focused on pregnancy crisis standards

00:03:54.680 to make sure that women get the right information about the services of support

00:03:58.440 that they need when they're making important life choices.

00:04:02.300 We're always going to be there as a government, as a party,

00:04:04.840 to stand up for women's rights, for women's reproductive rights,

00:04:07.920 and push back against everyone who's trying to take those rights away.

00:04:11.720 I don't even know, and of course thank you for Rebel News for clipping this stuff,

00:04:15.540 I don't exactly have the biggest team in the world,

00:04:17.360 but how is it even taking anyone's quote-unquote right away

00:04:24.180 to be running a charity that provides people with resources, with materials,

00:04:31.400 it provides new mothers with a lot of new materials for their child,

00:04:36.440 and that is considered bad because they don't have a neon sign

00:04:40.240 saying that we don't provide abortions on the front door.

00:04:43.060 Exactly. It's mind-boggling.

00:04:45.880 And I mean, if there is a world in which Canadian pregnancy care centres

00:04:49.720 were projecting that they did perform abortions

00:04:53.100 and scheduling people in for a Thursday afternoon abortion appointment

00:04:56.580 and then marching them into a back room and strapping them down in the back room

00:05:00.260 for the next eight months to make sure that they didn't have an abortion 0.99

00:05:02.800 and misleading people by masquerading as though they were an abortion clinic,

00:05:07.240 I could understand something like this, right?

00:05:09.120 If pro-life pregnancy care centres were tricking mothers into coming into their facilities,

00:05:15.480 but as you laid it out, there's no deception that goes into this, right?

00:05:18.520 That if you want to have an abortion and you have the technology to find out

00:05:23.000 where a pregnancy care centre is, you have the technology to find out

00:05:25.720 where an abortion provider is as well.

00:05:27.500 And these are centres, like you mentioned, that are not only providing

00:05:31.380 the vital material support that mothers need,

00:05:34.560 whether they're baby formula or prenatal vitamins or cribs and bassinets

00:05:40.360 and that kind of thing, but they're also offering the kind of intangibles,

00:05:44.280 the parenting classes, the support networks and encouragement

00:05:48.120 that these mothers so desperately need.

00:05:49.860 I'm sure that Justin Trudeau is not going to be campaigning to suggest

00:05:53.080 that abortion facilities that are receiving, whether it's charitable

00:05:56.760 or other kind of government propping up, need to put on their front door,

00:06:00.800 hey, we're not going to help you if you want to keep your baby. 0.91

00:06:02.680 We're only here to kill your baby for you. 0.99

00:06:05.940 And so it's mind-boggling to think that you would have to advertise

00:06:10.960 the fact that you don't endorse a service.

00:06:14.760 I mean, you bring up the David Suzuki example.

00:06:16.580 I think that an even more apt example would be, as we so often do at CCBR,

00:06:23.180 we try not the toddler.

00:06:24.340 If you've got an adoption agency who has to advertise,

00:06:29.580 hey, we're not going to directly and intentionally kill your two-year-old

00:06:32.480 and that plants in somebody's mind, hey, I'm desperate right now.

00:06:37.220 And the fact that these people are saying that they're not going to kill

00:06:39.440 my two-year-old suggests that there is somebody who might kill my two-year-old.

00:06:42.560 And you know what?

00:06:43.040 I am so at a loss for how to navigate my situation that I'm going to seek

00:06:48.400 out those entities who would be willing to kill my two-year-old.

00:06:51.100 And there's so many layers to this that they are very strategic, I would argue,

00:06:56.860 in trying to not only chop the legs out from underneath a vital service in our country,

00:07:04.180 but also trying to push more and more people towards,

00:07:06.820 oh, but have you thought?

00:07:07.840 Have you thought enough about abortion?

00:07:09.520 How can we encourage you more to consider abortion by forcing our opponents,

00:07:16.680 who aren't even really opponents, they're lovely men and women who are trying to help

00:07:20.240 people in the hardest times of their life, forcing them to plant in your mind the fact

00:07:25.660 that you don't have to go through this hardship.

00:07:27.720 You don't have to be courageous.

00:07:29.120 You don't have to make sacrifice for your child and receive the help and support that's available.

00:07:33.980 You can hit the, as the liberals would like to consider, the great reset button

00:07:38.860 and have an abortion in your life goes back to how it was before.

00:07:43.320 Yeah.

00:07:43.680 And so I guess because you said it was in their 2021 platform,

00:07:48.880 but even though it's in their platform,

00:07:51.980 sometimes platforms have a lot of pie-in-the-sky policy that never get pursued.

00:07:55.220 Why do you think this moved from just being an idea in the platform

00:07:59.160 to being something that they suddenly proposed now?

00:08:02.600 Like, what do you think is the motivation here?

00:08:04.760 So I will admit that I'm not the most politically savvy.

00:08:09.100 From my vantage point, it's got two factors.

00:08:10.880 I think that Justin Trudeau is so desperate to cling to whatever power and acceptance

00:08:16.500 that even his supporters are recognizing that he is driving this nation into the ground.

00:08:21.340 And one of the few cards that he has left in his hand that always whips up a bit of fervor

00:08:26.300 amongst his supporters is bringing up abortion and trying to demonize pro-lifers.

00:08:31.000 But I honestly wonder if this is a challenge call to Poliev and the conservatives,

00:08:39.180 that he knows that he's losing his liberal supporters,

00:08:41.660 but he wonders if Poliev is going to try to stay so far away from this issue

00:08:46.780 that he's not going to allow or himself support an opposition to this

00:08:53.800 and that conservative pro-life voters are just going to be so disenchanted

00:08:57.020 that they're not going to come out to the ballot boxes whenever the next election may be.

00:09:04.420 And he's hoping that this will rally either enough support for him

00:09:08.720 to keep people supporting the liberals or drive enough people away from his opponents

00:09:13.500 because they're so fed up with conservatives not having enough backbone

00:09:17.060 to oppose these kind of suggestions in legislation.

00:09:20.780 I think that it's very strategic timing knowing that he's skating on very thin ice

00:09:25.520 and he wants to really anchor abortion rights as he has throughout his entire political career.

00:09:33.680 Well, and I think a big reason also the kind of, like, I guess, pro-choice, pro-abortion type side

00:09:43.000 doesn't like pregnancy crisis centers or crisis pregnancy centers especially

00:09:47.500 is because it's kind of one of those narrative-destroying entities

00:09:50.800 where you always have that idea of people who are pro-life

00:09:54.100 don't actually care about the kid after it's born.

00:09:56.180 I'm like, they quite literally do.

00:09:58.220 Sorry, but places like Planned Parenthood never actually handed out resources to people.

00:10:05.300 It's always been about one thing.

00:10:06.920 You can't exactly have an organization that does both

00:10:09.600 because it feels very contradictory.

00:10:12.240 Well, and to take that even one step further,

00:10:13.820 we're the only people who care for people

00:10:15.280 or we're largely the only people who care for people

00:10:17.760 after they've chosen abortion as well.

00:10:20.060 And that further undermines their narrative

00:10:22.220 that we provide real choices for people

00:10:25.540 who don't want to pursue with killing their pre-born child.

00:10:28.760 And even if they do proceed with that,

00:10:30.820 we are the ones who are there to support them.

00:10:32.960 And pregnancy care centers do incredible jobs

00:10:34.820 providing hope and healing ministries

00:10:37.080 towards those who've chosen abortion.

00:10:39.420 You go back to an abortion facility, 0.98

00:10:41.840 regretting your abortion.

00:10:43.660 And there's very limited support that you're going to get there.

00:10:45.820 Having spoken to thousands of people who have chosen abortion,

00:10:48.380 there's very few abortion centers or abortion providers

00:10:51.780 that are going to provide any form of trauma recovery and support.

00:11:00.140 That's all coming from pregnancy support centers as well.

00:11:02.540 And so, I mean, the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada

00:11:04.760 has acknowledged that many people choosing abortion in Canada

00:11:07.400 don't want to do so and feel as though it's their only option.

00:11:10.720 And so the irony that goes into this cannot be overstated.

00:11:14.900 Yeah.

00:11:15.140 So the main thrust of what the liberals are doing,

00:11:17.880 if I'm correct,

00:11:18.880 I don't want to have missed parts of the legislation,

00:11:21.280 but their main thing is trying to take away

00:11:23.560 the charity tax status of crisis pregnancy centers,

00:11:28.560 assuming that a lot of donations then dry up

00:11:30.820 if people aren't able to get those tax credits.

00:11:34.200 So, and that's something that I think is worth clarifying,

00:11:36.260 that to my understanding,

00:11:37.340 the first step of this is to simply force

00:11:39.840 these pregnancy support centers

00:11:41.200 to be quote-unquote transparent

00:11:43.620 regarding the services that they offer and don't offer,

00:11:47.000 including contraception and birth control.

00:11:49.940 And then my understanding is that the second step

00:11:51.620 will then be attacking any entities.

00:11:54.180 And so it's something of a litmus test right now,

00:11:56.080 similar to the Canada Summer Jobs fiasco

00:11:57.780 that they had several years ago,

00:11:59.580 a litmus test for who aligns ideologically with them

00:12:03.420 and then to be able to strip them down

00:12:05.220 based on the denial of services kind of thing.

00:12:08.280 And you hit the nail on the head

00:12:09.960 that a lot of people,

00:12:10.840 I think even within the pro-life world

00:12:13.200 who are not familiar with running a pro-life entity

00:12:17.000 will say, well,

00:12:19.280 if your supporters believe in your cause enough,

00:12:21.720 then they'll keep supporting

00:12:22.500 even if they lose their charitable tax status.

00:12:24.860 And the truth is that, yeah,

00:12:26.040 the majority of them will,

00:12:27.920 but I don't think that people appreciate the...

00:12:30.840 There's that crossover point between somebody...

00:12:34.860 There's that crossover point

00:12:36.100 between 70% of your donors

00:12:38.000 being able to keep the doors open

00:12:39.520 and the next 30% of somebody

00:12:41.780 who they might not be able to donate $100

00:12:44.220 because now if they don't get the large tax credit back

00:12:48.580 for that small amount of money,

00:12:50.080 well, then it makes it very unworth it for them

00:12:51.900 because they might only be

00:12:53.580 in kind of like the lower income bracket.

00:12:55.660 They might be a senior on a pension,

00:12:57.260 but that 30% is the actual money

00:13:00.420 that makes it all work.

00:13:01.820 Oftentimes there is the infrastructure costs,

00:13:04.340 there is the staff,

00:13:05.580 and then the 30% is the actual resources

00:13:08.540 they're able to hand out

00:13:09.680 and it pays for what takes it

00:13:12.740 from just keeping the lights on to successful.

00:13:15.380 Exactly.

00:13:16.040 Well, we consider the widow's might 0.98

00:13:17.420 and how many people, like you mentioned,

00:13:18.880 are dipping into their pension fund.

00:13:20.700 They're dipping into...

00:13:22.540 They're trying to keep the lights on

00:13:25.480 in their own homes and saying,

00:13:26.560 hey, we believe in this mission so much

00:13:28.280 that we are willing to make

00:13:30.100 the most extensive donation possible.

00:13:32.860 I mean, Lord willing,

00:13:33.520 many of those people will be able to find ways

00:13:37.140 to make it work,

00:13:38.120 but you hit the nail on the head

00:13:39.320 that there's often going to be two things that happen.

00:13:41.800 Either their donation is simply going to decrease

00:13:43.700 because they can't afford to maintain

00:13:45.400 that $100 donation

00:13:47.060 without receiving that 30% back

00:13:50.040 and so the donation goes down to 70 bucks

00:13:51.860 or something like that,

00:13:52.840 or they're going to say,

00:13:54.000 okay, well, there's as much as I wholeheartedly

00:13:56.460 appreciate and value this service,

00:14:01.160 this ministry that pregnancy care centers are doing,

00:14:03.600 I can't afford it

00:14:04.540 and I can get a better bang for my buck

00:14:06.200 with another wonderful ministry

00:14:08.860 that is doing something else

00:14:10.040 that I also believe in,

00:14:11.140 be it a soup kitchen,

00:14:13.360 a prison ministry,

00:14:14.500 this or that.

00:14:15.700 I mean, ultimately,

00:14:16.400 Justin Trudeau is going to be going

00:14:17.300 after everybody's tax status,

00:14:18.680 but he wants to be able to focus

00:14:20.740 on pregnancy support centers first

00:14:23.320 and there's going to be a hemorrhaging

00:14:26.520 of financial partnership

00:14:28.140 because of those factors

00:14:29.900 and so pregnancy support centers

00:14:31.600 are not going to be able to provide the care

00:14:33.520 that they were once able to,

00:14:35.220 which again further bolsters

00:14:36.780 the abortion rights movement.

00:14:38.020 It's cutting the leg out

00:14:39.500 from under any other ministry.

00:14:41.280 Think about palliative care.

00:14:42.020 If you say, okay,

00:14:42.960 well, we're going to cut funding

00:14:45.180 to palliative care

00:14:46.200 and then we're going to require them

00:14:48.080 to refer everybody

00:14:49.060 to a euthanasia center

00:14:51.140 where they can be killed painlessly.

00:14:54.380 Okay, well, yeah,

00:14:55.060 we're going to drive up numbers

00:14:56.740 for euthanasia

00:14:57.340 and obviously that's a huge part

00:14:58.740 of the liberal platform as well.

00:15:00.500 So it's not surprising.

00:15:02.720 And by the way,

00:15:03.120 if they can take out one type of charity,

00:15:05.200 if they can remove charitable status

00:15:06.720 from one group that they don't like

00:15:08.260 for a reason as thin as this,

00:15:10.360 even if someone is not pro-life,

00:15:12.360 they should not be under the delusion

00:15:14.420 that this is just going to affect these people

00:15:17.280 and they're never going to go after

00:15:19.080 the thing I support.

00:15:20.360 Like you're saying,

00:15:21.440 yes, there is like palliative care.

00:15:23.480 It's like there's palliative care,

00:15:25.100 like not exactly centers,

00:15:27.600 but places where that specialize

00:15:29.420 in palliative care,

00:15:30.800 seniors, homes,

00:15:31.700 that are they going to be basically penalized

00:15:34.680 because they do not promote

00:15:36.020 the option of made enough?

00:15:38.360 That's something where,

00:15:39.460 oh, because they don't believe

00:15:40.720 in supporting it,

00:15:41.800 they don't believe

00:15:42.400 in bringing it up to people,

00:15:43.760 that they're not going to bring it up.

00:15:44.860 You can go find it yourself,

00:15:46.320 but they're not going to assist you.

00:15:48.080 And that's already like a very clear,

00:15:49.940 that's almost probably a stronger line

00:15:51.700 compared to this

00:15:52.860 because at least that's someone

00:15:53.820 using their full consent

00:15:55.060 to control their own body.

00:15:57.580 But here's a good clip

00:15:59.600 from Chrystia Freeland

00:16:00.520 of the kind of the ongoing justification

00:16:02.540 that they've been using for

00:16:03.960 this somehow being a violation

00:16:05.660 of people's rights.

00:16:06.740 And being a mother is so amazing.

00:16:08.440 And I feel so lucky to be a mother.

00:16:11.200 But I also know

00:16:12.480 that there are few experiences

00:16:15.460 in the life of a woman or a girl

00:16:18.660 than finding out you're pregnant

00:16:21.060 and not wanting to be.

00:16:23.000 That is terrifying.

00:16:24.820 It can be life-changing.

00:16:27.420 It can be a tragedy.

00:16:29.540 Maybe for some people,

00:16:30.420 it can be an unexpected miracle.

00:16:31.800 But every single woman in... 1.00

00:16:34.560 Sorry, I just have to cut her off there

00:16:36.020 for a second.

00:16:36.540 She really frames that in

00:16:37.860 as like, it's mostly terrifying.

00:16:40.780 But in some cases,

00:16:41.980 it's an unexpected miracle.

00:16:43.340 And also, how would she know?

00:16:44.900 It's never happened to her.

00:16:45.820 She's just parroting political talking points. 0.99

00:16:48.560 Exactly.

00:16:49.040 A girl in Canada

00:16:50.940 who finds herself with an unwanted pregnancy

00:16:53.900 or maybe a wanted pregnancy

00:16:55.900 that is not viable.

00:16:58.380 She deserves fully transparent information 0.99

00:17:02.720 and fully transparent care.

00:17:05.720 I believe that absolutely profoundly.

00:17:08.040 This measure,

00:17:09.140 which was a 2021 platform commitment,

00:17:11.560 is about ensuring

00:17:13.700 that every single woman and girl

00:17:16.160 in that kind of a terrifying situation

00:17:21.860 is not misled,

00:17:23.840 has clear and transparent information.

00:17:27.220 And it's about ensuring

00:17:29.120 that the money of Canadians

00:17:30.840 is not being used

00:17:32.360 to underwrite organizations

00:17:34.000 that mislead young women and girls.

00:17:38.560 Even just the way the framing there

00:17:40.360 is like,

00:17:40.600 she's protecting Canadians

00:17:42.120 from having their money

00:17:43.360 not used for the things

00:17:44.620 that they want it to be used for.

00:17:45.820 I'm like, it's a charity.

00:17:46.920 People voluntarily donate.

00:17:49.160 It's literally,

00:17:50.040 this is like,

00:17:50.620 this is that kind of stupid consent meme

00:17:52.880 of like,

00:17:53.480 did you forget somebody?

00:17:54.920 And it's just like a whole,

00:17:55.940 I consent, I consent.

00:17:57.360 And then random Canadian

00:17:58.800 who didn't donate

00:17:59.560 to the Pregnancy Crisis Center,

00:18:01.280 I don't.

00:18:02.140 I don't consent to you

00:18:03.600 spending your own money

00:18:04.680 to pursue your own goals

00:18:06.540 of protecting,

00:18:07.740 not even protecting exactly,

00:18:10.020 just giving,

00:18:10.600 giving resources,

00:18:13.060 doing free ultrasounds,

00:18:14.620 doing all of this stuff

00:18:15.740 that if anything

00:18:16.740 is taking pressure

00:18:18.160 off of the normal medical system.

00:18:21.000 It is literally good

00:18:22.240 for the medical system

00:18:23.360 to have people

00:18:24.120 doing all this prenatal care

00:18:25.460 away from a hospital,

00:18:27.120 away from another clinic.

00:18:28.820 It's just obvious stuff.

00:18:30.820 So they're going to shoot

00:18:32.080 the medical system in the foot

00:18:34.200 for no reason over all this.

00:18:36.140 Oh, absolutely.

00:18:36.800 And so they're going to have

00:18:37.720 a greater burden

00:18:38.300 on the Canadian medical system.

00:18:39.900 And then they're going to,

00:18:41.380 again, flood people

00:18:42.280 towards abortions

00:18:43.160 because abortion is cheaper

00:18:44.400 than actually helping people.

00:18:46.260 Right.

00:18:46.420 And that's something

00:18:47.320 that the Liberal government

00:18:49.900 is committed to.

00:18:50.780 And you mentioned

00:18:51.700 the framing of everything.

00:18:53.100 I mean,

00:18:53.260 the only thing

00:18:53.700 that goes through my mind

00:18:54.360 when I hear somebody

00:18:55.060 frame abortion

00:18:55.740 as terrifying as that

00:18:56.820 is the,

00:18:57.520 whatever,

00:18:58.200 the gym teacher

00:18:58.900 from what is

00:18:59.840 the Lindsay Lohan movie

00:19:01.020 of mean girls 1.00

00:19:02.480 of if you have sex,

00:19:04.040 you will get pregnant 1.00

00:19:04.740 and you will die 0.96

00:19:05.720 kind of thing

00:19:06.780 that like just implying

00:19:08.400 that the pregnancy

00:19:09.140 is literally

00:19:10.000 the most incurable

00:19:11.660 and most terrible thing

00:19:13.520 that could happen

00:19:13.980 to anybody.

00:19:15.060 Yeah,

00:19:15.680 I get that pregnancy

00:19:16.980 can be overwhelming.

00:19:17.860 I get the pregnancy

00:19:18.640 can be difficult.

00:19:20.000 There are challenges

00:19:20.660 in our world,

00:19:21.480 many of which

00:19:22.340 have been put in place

00:19:23.100 by the Liberal government

00:19:23.920 by making it

00:19:25.180 incredibly difficult

00:19:26.120 to thrive

00:19:26.860 in today's society.

00:19:28.400 And these pregnancy 0.58

00:19:29.040 support centers

00:19:29.800 are literally

00:19:30.620 the leading cause

00:19:32.740 of alleviating

00:19:34.080 that suffering,

00:19:34.940 alleviating that

00:19:35.800 difficulty and strain

00:19:37.040 again by not only

00:19:38.580 providing material resources

00:19:40.020 generously donated

00:19:41.460 by their faithful

00:19:42.420 and fully

00:19:43.820 like acknowledging partners

00:19:46.440 but also the

00:19:47.840 support systems,

00:19:49.280 the intangibles,

00:19:50.080 the parenting classes,

00:19:52.140 the support

00:19:53.680 that is so valuable

00:19:55.700 and that is often

00:19:56.960 recognized in polling

00:19:58.360 as being the biggest

00:20:00.180 reasons why people

00:20:00.940 consider abortion

00:20:01.800 is because they feel

00:20:02.640 isolated,

00:20:03.120 because they feel

00:20:04.040 as though they're

00:20:04.860 doing it all by themselves.

00:20:06.060 The pregnancy care centers

00:20:06.840 are the ones that are

00:20:07.580 accompanying people

00:20:08.380 along these journeys

00:20:09.340 and you couldn't put it

00:20:12.420 better.

00:20:12.700 The Liberal government

00:20:13.340 is just shooting

00:20:13.960 themselves in the foot

00:20:14.940 which I'm sure

00:20:15.700 is partly their plan

00:20:17.520 to be able to push

00:20:18.440 more and more people

00:20:19.080 towards abortion anyways.

00:20:20.640 And I've said this before

00:20:21.820 in other videos,

00:20:23.020 it's not just that

00:20:24.360 I disagree with the Liberal

00:20:25.440 position.

00:20:25.920 It's like when people

00:20:27.460 find out,

00:20:28.620 when people who might

00:20:29.440 even say I'm fully

00:20:30.780 pro-choice,

00:20:31.320 all this stuff,

00:20:31.800 when they find out

00:20:32.800 the almost like

00:20:35.280 goblin-like position

00:20:36.440 that the Liberals

00:20:37.100 have on this issue,

00:20:38.240 it's like you're going

00:20:38.920 after this charity

00:20:39.500 because they don't

00:20:40.380 advertise themselves

00:20:41.360 as a thing that they're

00:20:42.100 not.

00:20:42.740 And then they vote

00:20:43.860 against laws that

00:20:44.920 would protect pregnant

00:20:45.840 women from being 1.00

00:20:47.060 assaulted or murdered

00:20:48.140 and not having

00:20:48.920 upgraded charges

00:20:50.120 for the person who

00:20:50.980 did.

00:20:51.300 That's not even

00:20:52.040 like in the bounds

00:20:53.400 of a discussion

00:20:54.540 of,

00:20:55.100 well,

00:20:55.440 you know,

00:20:55.820 is that,

00:20:56.460 you know,

00:20:56.680 is like,

00:20:57.040 why are you

00:20:57.340 pro-choice,

00:20:57.920 pro-life?

00:20:58.220 And everyone

00:20:58.520 would be like,

00:20:58.940 are you against

00:20:59.640 crime?

00:21:00.580 Are you against

00:21:01.380 murder?

00:21:02.120 Like literal

00:21:03.040 murdering somebody

00:21:04.160 and then costing

00:21:05.140 them also another,

00:21:07.400 even if we're not

00:21:08.500 even saying life,

00:21:09.640 just for argument's

00:21:11.240 sake,

00:21:11.680 you've cost them

00:21:12.480 a great amount

00:21:14.520 of like,

00:21:15.760 like a great

00:21:16.760 potential,

00:21:17.700 I mean,

00:21:18.220 which you can be

00:21:19.100 sued for,

00:21:19.680 which means that

00:21:20.220 you could be upgraded,

00:21:21.540 an upgrade sentence

00:21:22.280 for.

00:21:22.820 They won't even

00:21:23.520 acknowledge like an

00:21:24.660 unborn child is even

00:21:25.920 in the realms of

00:21:26.760 like a physical

00:21:27.560 object that is

00:21:28.520 destroyed by a

00:21:29.340 criminal.

00:21:30.600 Well,

00:21:30.640 exactly.

00:21:31.020 And this is just

00:21:32.120 how deeply rooted

00:21:33.240 this is in the

00:21:34.000 minds of these

00:21:35.140 niche politicians,

00:21:36.760 right?

00:21:36.960 That,

00:21:37.320 that,

00:21:37.660 I mean,

00:21:37.860 we,

00:21:38.180 we knock on

00:21:38.940 10,000 doors

00:21:39.960 every year.

00:21:40.660 I'm in Western

00:21:41.460 Canada,

00:21:42.420 thousands more

00:21:43.220 beyond that

00:21:44.300 across Canada.

00:21:44.920 And the vast

00:21:45.740 majority of people

00:21:46.420 don't actually

00:21:47.400 believe this,

00:21:48.080 that the liberal

00:21:48.660 government is getting

00:21:49.320 so far down

00:21:50.460 their little echo

00:21:51.320 chamber that

00:21:52.500 they are projecting

00:21:53.680 that Canadians are

00:21:56.000 threatened by

00:21:56.860 pregnancy support

00:21:57.620 centers.

00:21:58.020 And it's only a

00:21:59.340 very small number

00:22:00.160 of ideologues that

00:22:01.060 are actually

00:22:02.340 concerned about

00:22:02.860 this,

00:22:03.080 but they are

00:22:03.480 kicking and

00:22:03.960 screaming because

00:22:04.820 it's not good

00:22:06.860 enough that so

00:22:07.980 many pregnancy

00:22:08.440 care centers have

00:22:09.200 already bent over

00:22:10.180 backwards to

00:22:11.700 modify their

00:22:12.840 language,

00:22:13.240 to modify their

00:22:14.240 information.

00:22:14.600 abortion.

00:22:14.740 I mean,

00:22:14.880 there's a very,

00:22:16.820 very active

00:22:17.680 debate within

00:22:18.300 the pro-life

00:22:18.740 community about

00:22:19.880 the language that

00:22:20.960 some pregnancy

00:22:21.440 support centers

00:22:22.160 are already

00:22:22.920 using,

00:22:23.460 right?

00:22:23.620 I mean,

00:22:23.880 I get asked

00:22:24.560 all the time

00:22:24.920 about pregnancy

00:22:25.340 support centers

00:22:26.100 that do refer

00:22:27.380 people to

00:22:28.680 abortion facilities,

00:22:30.780 that do fully

00:22:31.820 acknowledge that

00:22:33.200 they don't

00:22:35.000 perform abortions

00:22:35.840 and that they're

00:22:36.460 going to have to

00:22:36.880 go elsewhere to

00:22:37.880 obtain an abortion.

00:22:39.140 And this isn't

00:22:39.820 about secrecy.

00:22:40.540 This isn't any

00:22:41.840 kind of over

00:22:44.040 projection by

00:22:44.880 these pregnancy 0.62

00:22:45.300 support centers.

00:22:46.040 It's absolutely

00:22:46.760 bonkers.

00:22:48.280 I feel like I've

00:22:49.080 said that four

00:22:50.260 but it's insane

00:22:51.020 that they want

00:22:52.340 these pregnancy 0.62

00:22:52.800 care centers to

00:22:54.000 beat the drum

00:22:56.080 on behalf of

00:22:57.200 the abortion

00:22:57.580 movement.

00:22:58.220 It doesn't have

00:22:58.860 to happen in

00:23:00.720 reverse.

00:23:01.200 The abortion

00:23:01.520 clinics don't 1.00

00:23:02.080 have to tell

00:23:02.620 you that they

00:23:03.120 don't actually

00:23:03.600 provide all the

00:23:04.940 other services.

00:23:06.020 That's just

00:23:06.700 assumed that

00:23:08.000 they're not going

00:23:08.580 to do it,

00:23:09.220 which is probably

00:23:09.680 telling about

00:23:10.360 what people

00:23:10.820 think of them,

00:23:11.380 that they're

00:23:11.600 not there to

00:23:12.200 help in any

00:23:13.460 other way.

00:23:14.500 But is there

00:23:15.380 any legal

00:23:15.900 challenges that

00:23:16.780 are currently

00:23:17.420 being backed

00:23:18.240 by CCBR or

00:23:19.400 any other

00:23:19.820 organization that

00:23:20.920 is committed

00:23:21.820 to fighting

00:23:22.300 this legislation

00:23:23.400 if passed?

00:23:24.520 So I know

00:23:25.200 that there are

00:23:25.640 a number of

00:23:26.340 incredible lawyers

00:23:27.320 across Canada

00:23:28.400 who work

00:23:29.100 diligently to

00:23:30.420 combat any

00:23:31.240 attacks against

00:23:31.920 life and

00:23:32.680 against the

00:23:33.700 courageous men

00:23:34.460 and women that 1.00

00:23:35.060 are defending it.

00:23:36.260 I don't know

00:23:36.920 if there's

00:23:37.200 anything that

00:23:37.640 has been brought

00:23:38.120 forward quite

00:23:38.720 yet.

00:23:39.000 It's something

00:23:39.900 that CCBR has

00:23:40.780 not been

00:23:41.100 directly related

00:23:41.880 to as we

00:23:42.740 are not a

00:23:43.140 pregnancy support

00:23:43.800 center ourselves.

00:23:45.160 But certainly

00:23:45.640 we work hand

00:23:46.140 in hand with

00:23:46.660 a lot of

00:23:46.980 pregnancy support

00:23:47.540 centers and I

00:23:48.100 know that many

00:23:48.700 of them are

00:23:49.280 evaluating what

00:23:50.540 kind of pushback

00:23:51.560 can there be,

00:23:52.280 what kind of

00:23:52.620 petitions can be

00:23:53.300 presented,

00:23:54.140 what kind of

00:23:54.620 correspondence can

00:23:55.360 there be had

00:23:55.940 with members of

00:23:57.180 the government

00:23:57.540 to oppose

00:23:58.220 these measures

00:24:00.440 and what kind

00:24:01.500 of legal action

00:24:02.080 might be

00:24:02.960 required if it

00:24:04.920 is pushed

00:24:06.080 upon

00:24:06.520 pregnancy support

00:24:07.460 centers that

00:24:08.100 they undermine

00:24:08.760 their own

00:24:09.300 ministry and

00:24:10.580 have to

00:24:11.480 point out

00:24:12.620 these asinine

00:24:14.920 kind of

00:24:15.560 worldview

00:24:17.200 statements that

00:24:18.140 anybody with

00:24:19.300 a couple of

00:24:19.960 brain cells to

00:24:20.500 rub together

00:24:20.880 would already

00:24:21.380 know that they

00:24:21.980 don't provide.

00:24:23.680 Fair enough.

00:24:24.580 Well, I want to

00:24:25.260 move on from

00:24:25.740 that topic and

00:24:26.800 maybe to end it

00:24:27.540 off in the last

00:24:28.140 few minutes here,

00:24:28.840 I just wanted to

00:24:29.300 ask you about

00:24:30.100 what you

00:24:30.860 specifically do,

00:24:31.800 what CCBR does,

00:24:32.900 and I'm going

00:24:34.000 to link in the

00:24:34.480 description below

00:24:35.260 and pinned at

00:24:35.760 the top of the

00:24:36.300 comments for

00:24:36.820 anyone who wants

00:24:37.420 to go follow

00:24:37.840 your channel,

00:24:38.440 the Pro-Life

00:24:38.860 Guys podcast,

00:24:40.180 but maybe if you

00:24:41.160 could describe to

00:24:42.000 people what CCBR

00:24:42.960 does, because even

00:24:43.800 in the pro-life

00:24:44.800 world, usually you

00:24:45.680 don't have, you

00:24:46.740 know, your

00:24:47.240 acronym is quite

00:24:48.120 long, so it's

00:24:49.040 good to kind of

00:24:51.000 notice of what's

00:24:51.660 going on there.

00:24:53.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:24:53.560 So often we think

00:24:54.720 about the pro-life

00:24:55.340 movement as having

00:24:55.980 three distinct but

00:24:56.900 collaborative arms.

00:24:57.760 We have the crisis

00:24:58.860 arm of the pro-life

00:24:59.600 movement that are

00:25:00.160 these pregnancy care

00:25:00.940 centers that are the

00:25:01.780 post-abortive

00:25:02.280 healing ministry,

00:25:02.900 communities that

00:25:03.180 are specialized

00:25:04.320 towards providing

00:25:05.380 one-on-one or

00:25:06.400 small group care

00:25:07.040 towards those in

00:25:07.760 moments of crisis,

00:25:08.800 and yet there's a

00:25:09.820 ton of people who

00:25:10.900 don't even think

00:25:11.520 about pregnancy care

00:25:12.200 centers, right?

00:25:12.680 We have almost

00:25:14.300 10,000 people a

00:25:15.460 year, probably

00:25:16.320 between 5,000 and

00:25:17.180 7,000 people each

00:25:18.120 year that go to the

00:25:18.800 Kensington abortion

00:25:19.400 facility without ever

00:25:20.540 having stepped into a

00:25:21.820 pregnancy care center

00:25:22.600 in Calgary, and so

00:25:24.360 the fact that

00:25:24.760 support is available

00:25:25.460 is not sufficient for

00:25:27.160 many of these people

00:25:28.140 to choose life for

00:25:29.180 their children.

00:25:29.700 We think about the

00:25:30.260 political arm of the

00:25:31.180 pro-life movement

00:25:31.680 working to nominate,

00:25:33.000 elect, and lobby

00:25:33.540 politicians.

00:25:34.740 CCBR is an

00:25:35.800 educational organization.

00:25:36.960 We are proactively

00:25:37.780 engaging Canadians on

00:25:38.980 street corners and on

00:25:39.900 doorsteps with the

00:25:41.280 reality of what abortion

00:25:42.060 does to pre-born

00:25:42.840 children and engaging

00:25:43.760 them in street-tested,

00:25:44.960 compassionate, and

00:25:45.800 compelling conversations

00:25:46.820 about abortion.

00:25:47.540 We want to reach people

00:25:48.240 before they find

00:25:49.080 themselves at the

00:25:50.120 Kensington abortion

00:25:51.080 facility or the local

00:25:52.220 abortion facility in

00:25:53.720 other communities across

00:25:54.820 Canada.

00:25:55.140 We want to reach people

00:25:56.320 before they get into a

00:25:57.380 ballot box and are

00:25:58.540 deciding on priorities

00:26:01.380 that should be very

00:26:03.440 heavily weighted, but

00:26:04.500 maybe not as heavily

00:26:05.300 weighted as whether or

00:26:06.520 not we can intentionally

00:26:07.400 kill innocent human

00:26:08.300 beings.

00:26:09.260 And so we want to reach

00:26:09.780 them before that.

00:26:10.420 We want to reach them

00:26:11.060 proactively as they are

00:26:13.880 forming their worldview and

00:26:15.220 as they are acting on

00:26:16.520 that worldview that has

00:26:17.340 been formed.

00:26:18.180 And the Pro-Life Guys

00:26:18.760 podcast is a show that I

00:26:20.020 host that aims to equip

00:26:21.580 people with those tools on

00:26:23.080 how to have compassionate

00:26:24.300 and compelling

00:26:24.940 conversations because it

00:26:25.960 can feel awkward.

00:26:27.380 It can be uncomfortable.

00:26:28.260 It can be scary even at

00:26:29.740 times to have meaningful

00:26:32.460 conversations, whether

00:26:33.400 they be with our friends,

00:26:34.580 our family, with our

00:26:35.340 co-workers, whether it's

00:26:36.720 somebody who's going out

00:26:37.600 and prayerfully witnessing

00:26:39.380 outside of an abortion

00:26:40.400 facility and are being

00:26:42.320 harassed by people who are 1.00

00:26:43.380 walking by and asking

00:26:45.560 questions that they don't

00:26:46.340 know how to respond to.

00:26:47.320 I think that it's important

00:26:48.200 that we as Pro-Lifers are

00:26:49.760 equipped with tried and

00:26:51.820 tested tools for how to

00:26:53.380 change hearts and

00:26:54.280 minds on these issues.

00:26:55.640 And we've been blessed to

00:26:57.500 have incredible success

00:26:58.620 with these tools.

00:26:59.960 We witness around 25% of

00:27:02.440 the people that we talk to

00:27:03.560 who come into a

00:27:04.600 conversation supporting

00:27:05.660 abortion walk away fully

00:27:07.080 Pro-Life, an additional

00:27:08.540 20 to 25% more becoming

00:27:11.160 significantly more Pro-Life.

00:27:13.140 Just over half of the

00:27:14.140 people are walking away

00:27:15.300 with a similar worldview to

00:27:17.040 what they walk into a

00:27:17.960 conversation with, which is

00:27:19.020 absolutely incredible.

00:27:20.640 And those often aren't

00:27:22.180 layups.

00:27:22.500 Those are people who are

00:27:23.920 very adamantly supportive

00:27:25.660 of abortion and walking

00:27:26.860 away with an entirely

00:27:27.760 different worldview.

00:27:28.780 And so this is something

00:27:30.420 that's a conservative who

00:27:32.160 talks about a lot of

00:27:33.080 different policy issues and

00:27:34.520 whatnot, you know,

00:27:35.860 immigration, economics,

00:27:38.240 trade, foreign policy.

00:27:40.000 And I am a pro-life

00:27:41.620 conservative.

00:27:42.100 And the thing is, I'm always

00:27:43.200 shocked that whenever I bring

00:27:44.420 it up, honestly, it's some of

00:27:45.760 the easiest political

00:27:46.680 conversations I've ever had

00:27:47.980 because people don't know what

00:27:49.900 they don't know when it comes

00:27:51.200 to the issue.

00:27:52.420 And like, again, it's just an

00:27:54.120 incredible, like, just fact

00:27:57.380 that Canada and North Korea are 0.88

00:27:59.480 the only two countries where

00:28:00.960 there's literally no

00:28:02.000 restriction.

00:28:02.480 And so I will get into

00:28:03.820 conversations with people and

00:28:05.300 they'll be like, well, so you

00:28:06.640 are like, I don't want to ban

00:28:08.140 it or anything like that.

00:28:09.420 And they're like talking like

00:28:10.500 that's the next step that's

00:28:12.140 being proposed, that we're

00:28:13.260 going to go from a 16 week

00:28:15.020 threshold down to zero.

00:28:17.000 It's like, no, we literally

00:28:18.220 have nothing.

00:28:19.360 Can we agree to something?

00:28:21.400 Because I think everyone would

00:28:22.260 agree to something outside of

00:28:24.060 maybe 5% of crazy people who

00:28:26.080 think that this is totally

00:28:27.580 cool.

00:28:28.140 We are, we are considered very

00:28:29.800 strange compared, not like, oh,

00:28:32.060 the U S the U S is considered

00:28:33.680 strange to Europe in most

00:28:35.240 states because everywhere is

00:28:36.780 more restrictive than Canada,

00:28:38.680 except for North Korea, where

00:28:40.420 it's probably technically a

00:28:41.700 little bit worse because they

00:28:42.580 can tell you whether you get

00:28:43.900 to keep or not.

00:28:45.780 But anyways, that's a bit of

00:28:47.980 an aside, but also a link for

00:28:49.620 people, the CCBR website, so

00:28:51.380 they can go check that out for

00:28:52.400 themselves as well.

00:28:53.560 But I would encourage people to

00:28:54.660 go subscribe to your podcast,

00:28:56.520 even if they're not for life,

00:28:57.700 because a lot of your points

00:28:59.520 about talking to people can

00:29:01.380 easily be copy and pasted to

00:29:03.840 literally any other issue.

00:29:05.240 There's just some fundamental

00:29:06.220 ways that you approach more

00:29:07.800 controversial issues, hot

00:29:09.580 button political topics.

00:29:11.060 Anyone can go to a door and

00:29:12.180 say, Hey, do you dislike the

00:29:13.820 carbon tax?

00:29:14.840 And then have the person agree

00:29:16.000 with them.

00:29:16.560 But there is a greater skill in

00:29:18.520 taking an issue where the media,

00:29:20.780 the political establishment is

00:29:22.280 all gearing somebody towards

00:29:24.180 wanting to resist, but then

00:29:26.200 just being able to open up the

00:29:27.440 conversation with a few words

00:29:28.780 and makes the person realize

00:29:30.020 there's a bit more to this,

00:29:31.640 you know, than meets the eye.

00:29:33.640 Exactly.

00:29:34.160 And to be able to win people,

00:29:35.400 right?

00:29:36.040 Winning arguments is very easy

00:29:37.620 to do, especially on the

00:29:39.540 pro-life issue, right?

00:29:40.380 That we don't kill humans to

00:29:41.520 solve problems, right?

00:29:42.800 We don't kill born humans to

00:29:43.860 solve problems.

00:29:44.340 Why are we killing pre-born

00:29:45.100 humans to solve problems?

00:29:45.980 The science is very simple.

00:29:47.920 Winning arguments on abortion,

00:29:49.280 just like winning arguments on a

00:29:50.280 lot of those issues that you

00:29:51.100 brought up, is very easy.

00:29:53.600 It's much more complicated to

00:29:55.220 win people because people are

00:29:57.040 complex and wonderfully and

00:29:58.900 beautifully so.

00:30:00.300 And how do we draw people

00:30:02.020 towards the pro-life worldview?

00:30:03.640 How do we draw people towards

00:30:05.340 a more sustainable worldview?

00:30:07.740 And on lots of other issues as

00:30:08.860 well, that these can be applied.

00:30:10.340 I literally gave a workshop up in

00:30:11.600 Hinton a couple of weeks ago on

00:30:13.280 how to talk about euthanasia and

00:30:14.480 assisted suicide using the exact

00:30:15.960 same tools that we use for

00:30:18.200 talking about abortion.

00:30:19.000 I'm sure that they can translate

00:30:20.720 incredibly well towards any other

00:30:23.180 pertinent issue and do more than

00:30:25.760 just win an argument.

00:30:26.780 Win people to your cause.

00:30:28.660 Oh my goodness.

00:30:29.460 Honestly, the best resource on

00:30:31.860 pushing back against MAID in 1.00

00:30:34.220 Canada and around the world has

00:30:35.780 been the really creepy

00:30:37.120 advertisements they have for

00:30:38.780 MAID services by the people

00:30:40.140 themselves.

00:30:41.000 I don't even need to go into

00:30:41.920 that, but the fact that there

00:30:43.340 is such a thing as a suicide

00:30:44.500 pod is telling.

00:30:46.560 Yeah.

00:30:47.000 Yeah.

00:30:47.760 Anyways, okay.

00:30:48.940 I guess that's a great place to

00:30:50.180 leave this off, but yeah,

00:30:51.240 everyone should go subscribe to

00:30:52.280 your channel, check out the

00:30:53.300 CCBR website, and no doubt I'm

00:30:55.740 probably going to have you on in

00:30:56.760 the future, especially as both

00:30:58.240 this issue develops and other

00:30:59.660 ones develop.

00:31:00.860 I always find that that's the

00:31:02.900 thing that drives me up the wall

00:31:04.120 about Canadian conservatism at the

00:31:06.340 moment is that there is not that

00:31:07.900 pro-life leg of the stool on as

00:31:10.780 firmly, even though all the pro-life

00:31:12.820 groups exist.

00:31:15.240 They're all working hard, but I find

00:31:17.140 from the politicians' perspective,

00:31:18.960 most of them kind of keep them at

00:31:21.120 arm's length because they're like,

00:31:22.180 well, I'm going to lose votes if I

00:31:24.040 talk to those people.

00:31:24.740 I'm like, guys, it is the issue

00:31:26.480 that has not been mined at all.

00:31:28.360 Even from a purely selfish

00:31:30.160 perspective, it's so easy to win on

00:31:32.480 saying, hey, shouldn't we ban sex 0.98

00:31:34.120 selective abortion?

00:31:35.020 That sounds really gross that we do

00:31:37.100 that.

00:31:37.900 It's so easy to find the liberals are

00:31:40.880 like overextended to a cartoonish

00:31:43.060 extent right now.

00:31:44.120 And seeing that nobody wants to take

00:31:45.980 the, you know, take the lead on this

00:31:48.460 and strike at them is always a bit

00:31:50.500 annoying to me.

00:31:51.180 Like, of course, we have great MPs like

00:31:52.980 Arnold Veersen and Kathy Wagnenthal and

00:31:55.600 Leslie Lewis and other people who will

00:31:57.200 actually speak out on it.

00:31:58.180 But, you know, more is always better.

00:32:00.740 Yeah.

00:32:00.940 And to be able to hold people

00:32:02.160 accountable, not only the pro-life

00:32:03.640 politicians that have been carrying the

00:32:05.280 banner for so long and to affirm them 0.97

00:32:07.280 and support them, but also call out the

00:32:09.800 leaders that might hinder this.

00:32:12.500 That, I mean, Arnold Veersen has gotten

00:32:14.960 backlash for his pro-life worldview from

00:32:17.420 members within the Conservative Party

00:32:18.640 and to be able to reach out and invite,

00:32:21.500 encourage, empower, demand that those

00:32:24.120 Conservatives stand up for pregnancy 0.98

00:32:26.040 care centres.

00:32:26.680 This is an incredible opportunity.

00:32:28.820 This is absolutely a hill, maybe not to

00:32:31.620 die literally on, but nobody's asking you

00:32:34.180 to die literally on this hill where we're

00:32:37.340 asking this is a hill.

00:32:38.600 At the very least, we're sending a few

00:32:40.080 emails and maybe a few phone calls towards

00:32:41.700 your MP's office.

00:32:43.060 Yeah.

00:32:43.800 Well, anyways, well, thanks for coming on

00:32:45.100 to the show, Cameron, and definitely

00:32:47.340 having you on next time.

00:32:48.900 Everyone go check out his podcast,

00:32:50.580 check out the CCBR website, and I'll see

00:32:53.580 you guys next time.

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - December 08, 2024

Trudeau wants to shut down charities he dislikes (ft. Cameron Côté)

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