The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - October 29, 2025


Trump rejects Carney desperately trying to get a meeting with him!


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Wyatt Clunis rants about Canada and the U.S. trade negotiations and why they are a complete waste of time. He also discusses the Reagan ad and why Doug Ford is to blame for it.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here.
00:00:02.860 It has been maddening watching Canada and the U.S. try and negotiate on trade,
00:00:08.320 because as a Canadian, I don't want tariffs on our country.
00:00:12.640 But at the same time, I also don't like the current people trying to negotiate the deal on our behalf,
00:00:19.360 because Carney and his liberal team don't know what they're doing.
00:00:23.780 We keep going through this cycle. It's giving me a strong feeling of deja vu.
00:00:28.320 We do the elbows-up rhetoric, we're going to go in there and get the best deal for Canada and screw the Americans.
00:00:35.340 And then we do something really stupid like the digital services tax or the Reagan ad.
00:00:39.980 It gives Donald Trump the perfect excuse to flip the table and saying,
00:00:43.120 hey, I'm not going to negotiate with you guys, bye.
00:00:46.180 And we say, well, we didn't want a deal anyways.
00:00:49.340 And then five seconds later, we try and follow Trump around asking very politely,
00:00:54.220 can we please get back to the negotiating table and I'll give you all these concessions just to start the talks again.
00:00:59.600 Why wouldn't Trump keep flipping the table?
00:01:01.820 You keep giving him concessions to walk away and then come back.
00:01:06.260 But in this video, we need to do a bit of a breakdown on the stuff that's been happening
00:01:11.280 as Carney has been in Asia trying to negotiate trade deals out there,
00:01:15.840 all of which are going to come to absolutely nothing.
00:01:18.960 It's like the European tour all over again.
00:01:23.480 Again, there is deja vu everywhere here.
00:01:26.660 Carney goes to Europe, signs a bunch of vague agreements where we should vaguely trade a little bit more with this particular country.
00:01:33.120 And then Trump shows up to the same country, signs a real deal where they actually agree to buy more stuff
00:01:38.760 with a specific dollar value after it from the United States.
00:01:42.400 And then we pretend that Canada is going to get anything from that country.
00:01:45.920 At the same time, they have this big spending commitment in the U.S.
00:01:49.580 That's what's going to happen with Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, all of the countries in Asia.
00:01:55.760 Trump is going to sign a real trade deal.
00:01:58.480 We're going to sign vague nonsense.
00:02:00.400 And then we are going to keep following the Americans around because for Canada, 0.77
00:02:04.620 the American market is truly the one that matters to get a deal signed with.
00:02:09.220 But we keep pretending it doesn't matter.
00:02:10.880 Who needs the quickie mart? 0.84
00:02:12.920 Not me, except then Carney immediately runs after Trump to try and get back in with the Americans because we kind of have to.
00:02:20.900 Oh, we're going to go through a few of these things.
00:02:23.500 And I'm going to keep going on rants about our trade negotiating position because it is truly pathetic.
00:02:30.040 We don't even actually negotiate.
00:02:32.260 And I've said this in so many videos, but it's true.
00:02:34.400 Carney won't let Melanie Jolie and Dominic LeBlanc talk about many areas of policy that the Americans want us to alter in order for them to sign an agreement.
00:02:43.780 And we think we're going to come to an agreement.
00:02:45.500 The only way we're going to do it is giving massive concessions where we agree to buy hundreds of billions of more U.S. goods.
00:02:53.420 That's the only way we're going to get to an agreement if we don't get rid of things like supply management and our restrictive media laws and other regulations that the Americans don't like.
00:03:03.160 And guess what? If we did some of those things, we could demand things back from them.
00:03:06.840 We could try and get to a zero tariff situation.
00:03:09.200 But now I'm ranting again.
00:03:10.820 But let's go first to city news coverage of Mark Carney in Asia.
00:03:15.140 I really like the rosy image of what Carney is doing here, even though we are getting nothing.
00:03:21.560 Also, I'm not really sure what's in the middle of the table.
00:03:23.500 Whoever did the table design for this meeting really needs to be fired.
00:03:26.860 Here in Kuala Lumpur from Carney speaking to reporters about the whole imbroglio over this ad.
00:03:33.560 Listen to what Carney had to say about it.
00:03:36.340 There were a series of very detailed, very specific, very comprehensive discussions, negotiations on the areas I just listed to in response to the previous question, up until the point of those ads running.
00:03:53.860 He's basically trying to claim that we were right there for an agreement.
00:04:00.980 We were about to sign something.
00:04:02.700 And then the ads happened and then Trump flipped the table.
00:04:05.800 It's like Carney is trying to subtly blame Doug Ford here.
00:04:09.260 And Doug Ford is to blame.
00:04:10.440 You don't do something unexpected and stupid in the middle of a negotiation because it may give your opponent in the negotiation a rhetorical reason to walk away from the table and demand something from you.
00:04:20.220 And that's what Trump's doing. And I always hate the rhetoric people have of, well, this is unfair for the Americans.
00:04:25.300 Why are they doing this to an ally?
00:04:26.840 Well, it's because Trump is the U.S. president.
00:04:28.720 He's not the president of Canada.
00:04:30.400 And so he is going to try and get as much for the U.S. as possible.
00:04:34.480 Now, I think free trade is actually better in the long run for the United States rather than trying to get these concessions out of countries with protectionist policies.
00:04:41.640 But, hey, we're dealing with the reality of the situation right now.
00:04:45.280 And so much of the Canadian trade establishment, media establishment is out there basically complaining about the rules of the game being the way they are.
00:04:56.020 Hey, guys, how about we stop complaining about the rules and we just try and play the game and actually get something out of it?
00:05:01.920 It's so bad at what we've been doing here.
00:05:03.920 Now, those specific sectors he's talking about, steel, aluminum and energy, those are the three sectors that both sides had agreed to keep negotiating on after Carney visited the Oval Office a few weeks ago and met with Trump there.
00:05:17.420 That meeting seemed to have gone well, seemed very cordial.
00:05:19.900 Trump did not seem upset about this.
00:05:21.540 But there was a commitment that they're going to sort of focus these negotiations on those particular sectors and leave kind of the larger, broader discussion about the U.S. MCA, the Canada-U.S.-Mexico Free Trade Agreement for later and trying to get those things dealt with first.
00:05:37.120 But as we say, that meeting is not going to happen.
00:05:39.120 And this, as I mentioned, has become really national news in the United States because it's brought up Ronald Reagan's comments about Trump's policy.
00:05:46.660 Reagan, of course, a beloved president, still revered by a great many Republicans, although mega Republicans, maybe not so much.
00:05:54.600 So quite obviously, this was a question, a subject that reporters were going to put to Trump on the plane when he had a little brief gaggle, as they call it, in the United States, flying from Kuala Lumpur to Tokyo.
00:06:06.020 Listen to what the president had to say on that flight.
00:06:08.600 They all knew exactly what the end was.
00:06:11.540 The prime minister knew, everybody knew.
00:06:14.460 I don't want to meet with him. I'm not going to be meeting with him for a while.
00:06:17.700 I'm very happy with the deal we have right now with Canada.
00:06:20.500 We're going to let it ride.
00:06:22.480 Here's the problem, too.
00:06:23.980 Right now, Canada is acting like we every once in a while pretend like, no, we're perfectly fine with the deal we have.
00:06:31.320 We still have the best deal with the Americans. 0.95
00:06:33.280 Trump means it when he says he's happy with what he already has and he doesn't need to sign anything new.
00:06:38.560 But Canada, the way we keep positioning ourselves is we desperately need to talk to them.
00:06:44.120 And it resulted in this post.
00:06:46.220 We're going to get to Doug Ford a little bit later.
00:06:48.260 But it resulted in this post from Donald Trump last night, just when he was about to sit down for dinner with a bunch of leaders in Asia, including Mark Carney.
00:06:58.680 And Donald Trump basically just says that he's not interested in talking to Mark Carney.
00:07:04.100 And at the same time, you know, Carney's trying to pretend that he's in Asia to sign agreements in Asia.
00:07:10.120 But he's not really there for that purpose.
00:07:12.360 He's there because Donald Trump's there.
00:07:14.280 Because really, there's no benefit to Canada to signing some vague agreement with Indonesia.
00:07:19.240 There's no benefit to signing something with Korea. 0.97
00:07:22.000 Should we trade more with those countries?
00:07:23.580 We should trade more with everybody.
00:07:25.060 But goodness, the thing is that obviously the real prize here is a deal with the Americans. 0.82
00:07:31.680 And no matter how much the liberals pretend like, oh, well, while Trump is mad about what we're doing right now, if Trump can be mad about the ad, we're going to keep signing new agreements.
00:07:40.220 Our agreements don't mean anything.
00:07:41.280 We're benefiting nothing from them.
00:07:43.100 But Trump, shortly before the dinner, said, for those that are asking, we didn't come to South Korea to see Canada.
00:07:49.740 And I don't doubt that this had been, this was posted as a result of Canadian officials attempting to see if they could get Trump into a breakout room to talk to Mark Carney to see if they could sort of firm everything up again.
00:08:04.380 But no matter what the liberals say, they weren't close to an agreement.
00:08:08.500 Yes, they had something on steel and aluminum and energy, but they still didn't have anything on softwood.
00:08:15.080 They didn't have anything on autos.
00:08:16.540 There was big gaps in the deal.
00:08:18.760 And frankly, Trump really doesn't need to sign something for those other areas because part of his congressional re-election plan for next year is trying to gird up the steel industry in places like Pennsylvania to make sure more Republicans can win re-election.
00:08:34.840 He's only going to sign an agreement with Canada if he can get a big win-win out of it.
00:08:39.560 And when I say a big win-win, it's because I don't think that Trump genuinely just wants to see Canada hurt.
00:08:44.340 If Canada proposed a good win-win trade proposal, a trade deal, we could probably get there.
00:08:52.300 But the thing is that Canada, the Canadian officials, have been pitching themselves as we're going to get in there and sign the best deal for Canada.
00:08:59.500 Screw the Americans. 0.95
00:09:00.540 And we have not been willing to put anything on the table that Trump could go and market back home as a win for himself.
00:09:07.580 Really, we've just been pitching stuff that if Trump signed it, he'd look like a complete fool in front of his own electorate, thinking he got absolutely nothing for all that turmoil.
00:09:15.600 So, yeah, but now let's jump over to Doug Ford, who is also trying to throw Mark Carney under the bus a little bit and also pick a fight with Pete Hoogstra, the U.S. ambassador in Canada.
00:09:28.260 You know, great strategies all around.
00:09:30.280 Let's start fighting between ourselves and also trying to fight the American ambassador that Trump really likes, Pete Hoogstra.
00:09:36.640 Back to the Reagan ad, how do you know the Prime Minister and his chief of staff saw this particular ad before you moved ahead with airing it?
00:09:46.680 I was with them.
00:09:48.720 Did they express concern when you were with them?
00:09:51.500 I'm not going to talk about our private conversation at all.
00:09:55.300 I told them that we're running it.
00:09:57.200 I'm going to cut it off on Monday, and that's it.
00:10:01.540 I think it was, man, it was the right thing to do.
00:10:04.260 It stirred a conversation like I've never seen it.
00:10:06.620 Oh, man, it was the right thing to do.
00:10:08.680 Oh, boy, it was the right thing to do.
00:10:10.740 What did we get?
00:10:11.400 Oh, it stirred a conversation.
00:10:13.040 Well, you know, we could have also sent a pipe bomb down to the U.S., and that would have also stirred a conversation.
00:10:17.880 Something stirring a conversation doesn't mean anything.
00:10:21.520 What, was he trying to go to a cocktail lounge trying to chat somebody up?
00:10:25.840 I don't think that the conversation happening really matters.
00:10:28.860 I think the quality of the conversation kind of matters,
00:10:31.280 and this did not raise the quality of the conversation.
00:10:34.780 Again, how about we make ourselves allies of the Americans and say,
00:10:38.320 hey, you know what, we will get rid of supply management.
00:10:41.180 We will get rid of or at least soften some of our media laws that prevent a lot of American media
00:10:45.720 from coming into Canada or whatever.
00:10:48.280 There's a lot of other things that the Americans have concerns about.
00:10:50.640 How about we figure some of that stuff out?
00:10:52.800 We get back to a zero tariff situation.
00:10:55.120 And then what we also do is that we team up against China in order to try and be able to soften the blow that China, 0.81
00:11:04.080 that would be like the economic blow to trading loss of China,
00:11:07.460 because it's an enemy state and Canada and the U.S. together can kind of insulate each other from the economic damage of not trading with China as much.
00:11:16.320 That would be a great thing.
00:11:17.940 But we, at the same time, we were doing trade negotiations with China.
00:11:22.220 If anything, we seem more desperate to sign a deal with China than the Americans.
00:11:26.100 And then we're wondering why the Americans don't really see us as, like, profoundly good allies that they need to get along with,
00:11:32.560 because it looks like we don't really want to get along with them.
00:11:34.500 But I saw a poll on CNN that Canada is way more popular than the president with the American people.
00:11:43.780 We love Americans.
00:11:46.080 I'll tell you, we don't love President Trump, I'll tell you that.
00:11:50.900 And I think he was in the poll I saw on CNN is minus 60.
00:11:54.520 I don't know, minus 60.
00:11:55.740 I don't know how much lower you can get than minus 60.
00:11:58.160 Who cares?
00:11:59.260 Trump's not having to run to be the prime minister of Canada.
00:12:02.700 But he's like, oh, wow, Canada's more popular than Trump.
00:12:05.440 Canada's always been more popular than any president.
00:12:07.720 Because, hey, a president in the United States can be a controversial figure.
00:12:12.380 Canada's not really a controversial country in the U.S.
00:12:15.540 Just not, just people don't really think about Canada in those terms.
00:12:18.720 People in America are not really anti-Canadian in the same way Canadians can be very anti-American.
00:12:24.540 And so this isn't shocking.
00:12:26.040 But Doug Ford here is trying to grasp for straws.
00:12:29.440 And again, I love at the start, he basically throws Carney under the bus.
00:12:32.180 He says, oh, absolutely, he knew what I was going to do.
00:12:34.640 And you won't divulge what happened in those conversations.
00:12:38.280 But he never said Mark Carney was trying to stop him, which basically says that Carney was cool with it.
00:12:42.960 So why doesn't the president start being nice, play nice in the sandbox to his biggest customer in the entire world,
00:12:49.860 and everything's hunky-dory.
00:12:53.320 So let's get on with it.
00:12:55.320 Ambassador Hoekstra, to use a blunt phrase, cursing out your Ontario representative in the United States at a meeting.
00:13:04.540 What do you say to that?
00:13:05.500 This was related to your advertisement, related to Donald Reagan.
00:13:10.120 What's your response to Ambassador Hoekstra's words?
00:13:13.040 Pete, you've got to call Dave up and apologize.
00:13:16.720 It's simple.
00:13:17.680 You know, the cheese slipped off the cracker.
00:13:19.600 I get it.
00:13:20.060 You're ticked off.
00:13:21.440 But call the guy up.
00:13:23.180 But just call the guy up and bury the hatchet.
00:13:26.460 Call the guy up and apologize.
00:13:27.880 Let's start getting back on track.
00:13:29.800 I'm not telling him.
00:13:31.780 I'm suggesting that, you know, you get hot-headed one day, call Dave up and say, I apologize.
00:13:39.760 Sorry, got a little heated.
00:13:41.740 So, you know, simple as that.
00:13:44.020 People get in disagreements.
00:13:46.420 It's unbecoming of an ambassador.
00:13:48.380 I've never heard of this in my entire life.
00:13:50.740 Yeah, I can feel how close we are to a negotiation because of Doug Ford.
00:13:55.120 Calling Pete, demanding Pete Hoekstra apologize for his reaction to the ad campaign is really stupid.
00:14:04.080 Because on their side, they have a better argument for that, for Doug Ford needing to apologize to them.
00:14:09.440 Because he ran a $75 million ad in the U.S. going after Trump.
00:14:15.340 Now, in Canada, would we ever let it go if the Americans spent even a million dollars on an ad attacking Mark Carney or Justin Trudeau?
00:14:26.260 Even conservatives would say, hey, guys, back out of this.
00:14:29.220 This is our fight.
00:14:30.220 You don't criticize the policies of the Canadian government in Canada with your government's money.
00:14:35.620 We would never let it go.
00:14:36.780 It doesn't matter if it's Trump doing it or if it's like the, you know, it's the governor of Arkansas, the governor of Texas, governor of Florida, governor of Montana.
00:14:44.620 If they ran an ad in Canada, we would call it foreign interference.
00:14:48.480 We would, although we don't really care when China does it, but we would be lighting our hair on fire. 0.97
00:14:54.160 And the idea that now he's going to tell Pete Hoekstra that he has to apologize for his reaction, you should probably not swear at people.
00:15:00.900 I think you should probably apologize if you ever are rude to somebody.
00:15:03.960 But, goodness, on the macro scale of what's going on, the premier calling on him to apologize is making this a bigger thing than it needs to be, a bigger thing in a situation where we're not exactly in the right here.
00:15:17.400 Again, we should be trying to get a win-win scenario.
00:15:20.600 Whereas Ford and Carney and now David Eby wanting to run his own ad in the U.S., what they're wanting to do is we want to win for Canada and we want Trump to get on his knees and apologize to us.
00:15:31.280 And I want to slap him across the face for just good measure, you know, like button up my shirt and leave the room and just call him some pathetic, disgusting man on the way out.
00:15:41.280 It's like, you're not going to get to a deal acting like an arrogant frig.
00:15:46.000 How about you just try and actually negotiate a win-win scenario with Trump because that's what he wants.
00:15:51.380 If he can walk away and say, hey, that was all worth it, then it's good.
00:15:55.780 And we can still get a win-win out of this.
00:15:57.840 You could negotiate out some, you know, make a solid rhetorical pitch that this is the deal of the century to Trump and that he can sign it.
00:16:06.420 And then he could go into the midterms having benefited and then the dairy farmers in the Midwest can now ship dairy products into Canada.
00:16:13.360 By the way, it would help the Canadian consumer because dairy products would actually go down in price.
00:16:17.760 In fact, it would help the dairy farmers who are currently quoted out of the system and they can barely produce any milk because of the stupid Soviet-style quota system we have in this country.
00:16:27.860 We could get a lot of, there are so many negotiating options.
00:16:31.020 But Carney's draw, drew on so many red lines around major topics of contention for the Americans.
00:16:37.040 So we can't negotiate.
00:16:39.200 And then the only thing we have left is to basically bribe them.
00:16:43.040 Okay, we'll invest $100 billion into your economy.
00:16:46.260 We will raise our defense spending if you just sign a deal with us.
00:16:50.040 And it's like, oh my goodness, people, we could have done this for basically no money at all.
00:16:54.220 We could have actually benefited Canadians and had a win-win to get this deal done.
00:16:59.440 But no, we don't want to do it.
00:17:01.020 But we look like complete fools chasing Trump around Asia right after we keep pulling this whole thing off of like, oh, well, it was a great success what we did with the Reagan ad.
00:17:11.380 And we were right there almost ready for a deal and we just need one more chance at it.
00:17:15.420 But we don't really need a deal like Carney keeps saying, oh, we actually already had the best deal.
00:17:19.660 Who could have guessed we'd have the best deal as their biggest trade partner?
00:17:22.460 My goodness.
00:17:23.040 Who could have seen that we have the most robust trade agreement with the U.S. compared to somewhere like Cambodia? 1.00
00:17:31.100 The problem is, though, that when 70% of our trade is with them, little areas of friction can cause a lot of hurt in our own country.
00:17:39.480 And we don't seem serious about actually signing an agreement to get there.
00:17:43.120 I'm not saying we have to be desperate and sign whatever is put in front of us, but we have taken all the cards out of our own trade negotiators' hands and said, you only have one card.
00:17:51.480 And it's demanding they sign the agreement.
00:17:53.740 It's like, well, who could guess why we're going to lose this card game?
00:17:57.520 Anyway, so that should be it for today's video.
00:18:00.400 I'll probably be back later today if there's time.
00:18:02.880 We'll have to talk more about the couch and Richmond situation, but until then, guys, make sure to like the video, subscribe to the channel if you are not yet a subscriber, and leave a comment to one what you think about all this.
00:18:16.260 I will hopefully be back later or tomorrow.
00:18:19.100 See you guys all later.