The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - May 09, 2025


Western Separatism gains record support! Smith in a tight Spot

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In this episode, Wyatt Claypool discusses the growing separatist sentiment in Western Canada, and what that means for Alberta s premier Daniel Smith and Saskatchewan s Scott Moe. He also talks about why separatism is a bad thing for Alberta and what it could mean for Canada.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here.
00:00:02.800 In the aftermath of Mark Carney and the Liberals winning the 2025 Canadian federal election,
00:00:08.840 separatist sentiments in Western Canada have risen significantly,
00:00:12.760 and I would genuinely not want to be Alberta Premier Daniel Smith or Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe right now.
00:00:20.040 Not because of any personal dislike, it's just because they are genuinely in a very tough position,
00:00:25.600 and I want to break down what that situation looks like for you guys here today.
00:00:30.420 Before I get into it, I just want to remind you guys, if you like my political coverage on this channel,
00:00:35.000 make sure to like this video, subscribe to the channel if you're not yet a subscriber,
00:00:38.640 and leave a comment, especially if you're from Western Canada.
00:00:42.160 What do you think about separatism? Do you think that the positives outweigh the potential negatives?
00:00:47.380 I'm going to be getting into those negatives today because I'm just going to be out up front.
00:00:51.300 I'm not really a separatist in any way. I'm not someone who, like, dislikes separatists either.
00:00:55.900 I am the most purely neutral person you can find on this issue possible,
00:01:00.360 and that's not me riding a fence or anything like that.
00:01:03.280 I just genuinely don't really care.
00:01:05.380 A lot of my political time is invested into trying to leverage Alberta's power in Canada
00:01:10.680 to try and improve the entire country.
00:01:12.760 So every time people want to separate, it's kind of a bit of a,
00:01:15.700 yeah, it would be maybe good for Alberta at the same time.
00:01:18.640 I'm like thinking of all the people in Eastern Canada who kind of need Alberta to stick around
00:01:22.900 to make the entire country a little bit more rational,
00:01:25.880 even if they usually kick out of it and they demand that we have the Liberals for another term. 0.90
00:01:30.860 But I just want to get into some of the numbers here
00:01:33.320 that many people have been posting over the last few days.
00:01:36.120 I thought Peter McCaffrey did a good job of framing it.
00:01:39.200 He said,
00:01:39.620 Before the election, an Angus Reid poll suggested support for separatism would rise from 25%,
00:01:45.760 which was what the number was at the time,
00:01:47.760 to 30% if the Liberals were re-elected.
00:01:51.420 Now, a new Angus Reid poll shows it's actually up to 36%.
00:01:55.760 And now, obviously, the numbers could be a little higher, could be a little lower.
00:02:00.040 I have never been someone who thinks that polling is fake,
00:02:02.640 but I also don't see it as being 100% accurate.
00:02:06.400 But Angus Reid in the federal election was a few points off of what the Conservatives would get
00:02:10.840 and a few points off of what the Liberals would get.
00:02:12.780 They tend to over-poll the Liberals a bit and under-poll the Conservatives a bit.
00:02:16.540 So take that into account whenever you look at numbers like this.
00:02:19.700 Maybe separatism is a little bit lower in places like Alberta,
00:02:23.220 but people who are separatists are the most likely to actually answer this kind of poll question,
00:02:28.440 even if they're not the majority.
00:02:30.040 But we see here, and this is the problem in Alberta for Daniel Smith.
00:02:34.800 Supposing Alberta does hold a referendum on succession,
00:02:38.760 would you vote for your province to leave Canada or stay?
00:02:41.980 And across Alberta, 52% say definitely would vote to stay.
00:02:46.680 8% say lean towards voting to stay.
00:02:49.220 19% say definitely would vote to leave.
00:02:52.180 And 17% say lean towards voting to leave.
00:02:55.260 Now, the problem for Daniel Smith here is that about half her base,
00:03:00.980 actually more than half, what am I saying,
00:03:03.100 would actually either consider or is definitely going to vote to leave Canada,
00:03:07.540 where the NDP, 93% are definitely voting to stay,
00:03:12.900 and 4% are leaning towards voting to stay.
00:03:16.680 So this is the problem that Daniel Smith has,
00:03:20.000 and she's been trying to manage it as best she can.
00:03:23.080 She can't come out against the separatists at the same time she can't endorse them.
00:03:29.200 So she's in this between a rock and a hard place kind of situation
00:03:32.400 where she can't come out and start, like, you know, spitting venom at them 0.99
00:03:35.960 at the same time that she can't, like, support what they're doing.
00:03:40.720 She has to enable it more so. 0.93
00:03:43.340 And frankly, this is kind of the right tact for her.
00:03:46.480 A lot of people will pretend, like, oh, she's just, like, an indecisive person 0.98
00:03:50.460 or she doesn't care about Albertans or something like that
00:03:53.100 because she doesn't support separatism.
00:03:54.400 But, like, what do you want her to do?
00:03:56.080 Support a movement that, frankly, is probably not going to succeed
00:03:59.580 and then destroy her own government 1.00
00:04:01.720 because then you're going to have a mass exodus of UCP support to the NDP
00:04:06.360 because they're standing up for Canada?
00:04:08.320 That would be a great way of making retired Albertans in Calgary 0.95
00:04:12.780 go and vote for the NDP
00:04:14.380 because now they can ignore all of the terrible NDP social and fiscal policy
00:04:19.700 and they can vote for them to stand for Canada.
00:04:22.720 This is the problem.
00:04:24.180 Remember, most people who live in Alberta, or maybe not most,
00:04:27.600 but a large portion of them did not originally live in Alberta
00:04:31.360 at the start of their lives.
00:04:32.480 They moved from eastern Canada.
00:04:34.720 They moved from British Columbia.
00:04:36.900 And they might actually have a lot of sympathies towards Canada staying whole.
00:04:41.000 And even then, a lot of people who were born in Alberta
00:04:43.440 still have a very strong attraction to wanting to stay in Canada.
00:04:47.780 So, I don't really see the separatist movement having any ability to succeed.
00:04:52.880 Maybe they can put it to a referendum vote.
00:04:55.220 Even then, I could see that being a disaster for the UCP
00:04:58.280 because, again, the NDP gets to run as the pro-Canada party
00:05:01.740 against the anti-Canada UCP, even if they're not anti-Canada at all.
00:05:06.140 But here is what Daniel Smith said at a press conference
00:05:08.980 about a week and a half ago on April 29th.
00:05:11.900 To Alberta separating, I feel that question wasn't directly answered.
00:05:16.240 Well, not by me.
00:05:17.460 I believe in Alberta's sovereignty within a united Canada.
00:05:20.740 However, there is a citizen-initiated referenda process
00:05:24.020 that if citizens want to put a question on a ballot
00:05:28.100 and get enough of their fellow citizens to sign that petition,
00:05:31.800 then those questions will be put forward.
00:05:33.240 Again, I don't want to prejudge what a question might be,
00:05:35.320 but not by our government.
00:05:36.500 And this is what she's been saying repeatedly since then,
00:05:41.060 is that she's not a supporter of separation.
00:05:43.880 She's a supporter of Alberta having maximum sovereignty
00:05:47.260 within a united Canada.
00:05:49.780 But she will let the petition go forward because she kind of has to.
00:05:55.140 Because if she doesn't let the petition go forward
00:05:57.480 or she passes legislation to try and block it,
00:06:00.040 well, now she's the big villain to all the separatists 1.00
00:06:02.320 who will now mass exodus in a provincial campaign
00:06:04.980 to vote for a separatist party.
00:06:07.020 Or if she supports it outright,
00:06:09.400 then everyone just goes and votes for the NDP.
00:06:11.200 Even now, people may try and blame her
00:06:13.880 and then say that she's not doing enough to quell divisions
00:06:16.960 and then go vote NDP anyways.
00:06:19.340 Voting NDP, by the way,
00:06:20.460 would not actually make Canada more whole.
00:06:23.800 It would just take off the separatists even more.
00:06:26.240 And we would just have divisions within Alberta.
00:06:29.740 So we would have a divided Canada with a divided Alberta,
00:06:33.200 which is the worst possible scenario.
00:06:35.680 Separate assentment on the rise.
00:06:37.000 At the same time, the NDP gets to take over the province
00:06:39.180 and do what they want
00:06:40.080 and probably get rid of citizen-led petitions.
00:06:42.660 And here's what she said at an address to Albertans
00:06:45.160 a couple of days ago,
00:06:46.320 where she was also addressing her attitude
00:06:48.420 towards the incoming liberal government.
00:06:50.600 She said she's had okay talks with Mark Carney
00:06:53.160 that they sounded at least promising.
00:06:55.100 At the same time, she said that the words
00:06:57.300 have to translate to actual action.
00:06:59.580 My prediction is that Carney
00:07:01.000 is not going to be particularly nice to Alberta,
00:07:03.860 considering he's already baited and switched
00:07:06.320 Danielle Smith at the beginning of the election,
00:07:08.880 pretending he was going to get rid of a lot
00:07:10.620 of the anti-energy bills
00:07:11.740 and then literally reversing himself the next day.
00:07:14.720 So I think the good phone call she had with him recently
00:07:17.640 is just representing another bait and switch.
00:07:20.660 He's going to say the right things to her
00:07:21.980 and then do the opposite.
00:07:25.100 To be clear from the outset,
00:07:27.780 our government will not be putting a vote
00:07:29.860 on separation from Canada on the referendum ballot.
00:07:33.300 However, if there is a successful citizen-led
00:07:36.500 referendum petition that is able to gather
00:07:38.840 the requisite number of signatures requesting
00:07:41.440 such a question to be put on a referendum,
00:07:44.820 our government will respect the democratic process
00:07:47.540 and include that question on the 2026 provincial
00:07:51.480 referendum ballot as well.
00:07:54.020 And if you don't want the Alberta NDP
00:07:56.640 to win the next provincial election,
00:07:59.240 even if you're a separatist,
00:08:00.380 I would say you don't want it to be on the 2026 ballot.
00:08:04.220 It's not at the same time as the provincial election,
00:08:07.040 but you are going to have the NDP use this issue
00:08:10.880 to club the UCP to death.
00:08:12.460 At the same time,
00:08:13.680 I do not think that that separatism
00:08:15.420 is going to get across the finish line.
00:08:17.380 So when I see this right now,
00:08:19.060 and I'm not trying to be rude about it,
00:08:21.000 it looks like what is basically a suicide mission.
00:08:24.380 Here is Scott Moe basically taking
00:08:26.100 the exact same position as Danielle Smith.
00:08:28.800 Mr. Speaker, there is this straw man argument really
00:08:32.720 that is being put forward, Mr. Speaker,
00:08:34.960 that it's either the status quo or separation.
00:08:37.360 Well, the government of Saskatchewan
00:08:38.400 is not interested in separation,
00:08:40.060 and the government of Saskatchewan
00:08:41.160 certainly isn't interested in the status quo either.
00:08:43.680 Here, here, here.
00:08:44.580 Status quo where our province is being treated unfairly
00:08:47.820 by a federal government for close to a decade now,
00:08:50.100 supported every step of the way by the NDP,
00:08:52.460 Mr. Speaker, and what we saw.
00:08:53.880 What we saw in this most recent federal election
00:09:00.700 was 65% of Saskatchewan people
00:09:03.220 didn't vote for that status quo either, Mr. Speaker.
00:09:05.980 But it is not a straw man argument
00:09:08.000 where it's status quo or separation.
00:09:09.760 We don't like either of those.
00:09:10.720 We think there is an opportunity, Mr. Speaker,
00:09:13.060 and we truly believe and always have believed
00:09:14.980 there is a right to the founding principles of this party,
00:09:18.140 that there is an opportunity for Saskatchewan
00:09:20.480 to continue to grow and prosper in its economy,
00:09:22.980 to grow its population, grow our communities,
00:09:25.760 reinvest back into those communities,
00:09:27.300 all within a strong, united nation of Canada.
00:09:31.200 So again, that is the tightrope.
00:09:33.220 Scott Moe is also walking,
00:09:34.700 and now we have Carla Beck and the Saskatchewan NDP 0.71
00:09:38.540 trying to put pressure on Scott Moe
00:09:41.160 to double the signature requirements
00:09:43.320 in order to get something on a referendum ballot.
00:09:46.020 By the way, the referendum petition threshold
00:09:48.980 is already very high in both Alberta and Saskatchewan.
00:09:51.980 In order to get something on a referendum ballot
00:09:55.100 in Alberta, I believe within 60 days,
00:09:58.480 you need to collect 176,000 signatures,
00:10:01.680 which is a very tall order,
00:10:03.280 even if you already have email addresses,
00:10:05.900 phone numbers, and addresses for everybody
00:10:08.540 that you need to sign the petition.
00:10:11.120 It's very difficult to actually find people
00:10:13.440 within 60 days to sign something
00:10:15.100 when you need 176,000 of them.
00:10:17.440 And I believe in Saskatchewan,
00:10:19.780 it's around the equivalent threshold
00:10:22.140 based on the population of the province,
00:10:24.020 but this is the game that the NDP is playing
00:10:27.700 both in Saskatchewan and Alberta.
00:10:29.460 If you're truly a patriotic Canadian,
00:10:31.780 you will cram down on the separatists
00:10:34.360 and force them to stop their petitions,
00:10:36.640 or you will not respect the petitions.
00:10:38.800 This is also what Nahid Nenshi is doing in Alberta.
00:10:41.680 At the same time, he's whining about
00:10:43.320 like anti-democratic things the conservatives are doing
00:10:45.980 by actually trying to make voting more transparent
00:10:48.580 and trying to make the political spending
00:10:51.440 more transparent.
00:10:52.780 That's a different issue for another day.
00:10:55.340 But then I also just want to move on to,
00:10:58.500 even David Eby currently is using this
00:11:02.020 as a way of trying to buoy his own popularity
00:11:05.080 from British Columbia.
00:11:06.580 He's attacking Alberta and Saskatchewan,
00:11:09.400 or basically saying the separatist movements out there
00:11:11.580 are like unpatriotic,
00:11:12.800 trying to make himself seem more patriotic
00:11:14.600 as he gives out safe supply pills
00:11:18.000 and doesn't crack down on rampant drug use
00:11:20.940 all over his province.
00:11:21.820 I always find it funny how you can be super patriotic
00:11:24.280 and not even be taking care of your own backyard.
00:11:27.200 I understand.
00:11:28.360 You know, you've got a couple of conservative premiers
00:11:30.700 in Saskatchewan and Alberta.
00:11:33.100 Their preferred candidate was not successful
00:11:34.860 in the federal election.
00:11:35.720 They have strong bases of support
00:11:37.160 for the conservatives in those provinces.
00:11:38.800 They're navigating tricky waters.
00:11:40.940 But I certainly encourage them all,
00:11:44.160 Premier Smith, Premier Moe,
00:11:46.960 and I believe that they're on board for this,
00:11:49.820 to work together for the good of the country,
00:11:52.800 to hold the country together,
00:11:54.040 and to push back strongly
00:11:55.480 on any kind of separatist sentiment.
00:11:58.920 When a conservative MLA here tweeted out
00:12:01.300 a separatist image of Western Canada approvingly
00:12:05.040 and that we would become a protectorate
00:12:08.320 of the United States, 0.99
00:12:09.720 I didn't hesitate to point out how dumb that was. 0.99
00:12:12.980 And I think he recognized how... 0.98
00:12:14.500 What a hero.
00:12:15.780 What a hero he is.
00:12:16.880 He pushed back on conservative MLA D.L. Williams
00:12:20.480 for putting out a post
00:12:21.460 that really didn't represent everything he believes,
00:12:23.760 but he was just basically putting out an image
00:12:25.780 that was sort of highlighting
00:12:27.020 the unfair treatment of a lot of Western Canada.
00:12:30.100 And he called out that nonsense.
00:12:32.340 Oh, good job, E.B.
00:12:33.560 Are you going to crack down on crime?
00:12:35.560 Lower taxes?
00:12:36.460 Nah.
00:12:37.120 No, he's not going to do it. 0.98
00:12:38.540 Dumb it was. 0.97
00:12:38.980 He said he was texting while he was driving, 1.00
00:12:40.380 which is also dumb. 0.98
00:12:42.360 So, you know, 0.99
00:12:43.800 take the moment to defend our country.
00:12:46.780 Take the moment to stand together,
00:12:48.240 understanding that it can be more challenging
00:12:50.120 in other jurisdictions.
00:12:51.200 But this country needs to stick together right now.
00:12:53.720 That's what I stand for.
00:12:54.820 And obviously,
00:12:55.660 Premier is going to speak on this issue
00:12:57.500 in a bit of a different tone
00:12:59.080 than opposition leaders in Alberta and Saskatchewan.
00:13:02.440 But what David Eby is doing there
00:13:04.180 is trying to put a metal bar
00:13:06.540 between the spokes of Scott Moe and Danielle Smith,
00:13:09.480 basically saying that they can't just sit idly by
00:13:12.720 and let the separatist movement
00:13:14.320 fail on its own merits.
00:13:16.460 They have to actually be standing up
00:13:18.660 and opposing them strongly.
00:13:22.040 Alberta's Premier, Danielle Smith,
00:13:23.600 really shouldn't be doing that.
00:13:25.500 Know what she should be doing,
00:13:26.480 and it sounds strange.
00:13:27.340 She should be lowering taxes, 1.00
00:13:29.840 lowering regulations.
00:13:31.420 She just needs to do a really good job 0.53
00:13:33.800 governing domestically
00:13:35.520 and saying,
00:13:36.500 do you want this to continue
00:13:38.240 or do you want the separatist referendum question?
00:13:41.660 Because if you want the good work
00:13:43.780 we're doing domestically within the province,
00:13:46.520 provincially, to end,
00:13:48.020 you will put forward the referendum petition
00:13:49.860 and give Nahid Nenshi and the NDP
00:13:51.980 everything they've wanted to run on.
00:13:54.540 Because the NDP cannot run on fiscal records.
00:13:57.040 They cannot run on their own fiscal plans. 1.00
00:13:59.200 They suck. 1.00
00:14:00.180 They are bad on crime. 1.00
00:14:01.740 They're bad on social issues.
00:14:03.460 They're bad on education and healthcare. 0.77
00:14:05.300 They put more money towards it,
00:14:06.820 but the NDP have been very responsible
00:14:09.400 for the administrative bloat within AHS.
00:14:12.660 AHS is almost primarily run by people
00:14:14.920 who are friendly to the NDP,
00:14:16.260 and they've done a terrible job of it.
00:14:18.400 Anyways, I'm not trying to blame the NDP
00:14:20.220 for specific actors within AHS.
00:14:22.060 I'm just saying that when they were in government
00:14:23.980 between 2015 and 2019,
00:14:25.880 everything got worse objectively,
00:14:27.880 and now what's going to go on
00:14:30.440 is that they're going to be able to run
00:14:31.860 against a separatist petition,
00:14:34.280 which Daniel Smith won't be able to do
00:14:35.980 because a lot of her own people
00:14:37.040 like the idea,
00:14:38.400 even if it kind of is a pipe dream
00:14:40.000 at this point.
00:14:41.660 The separatist movement in Alberta
00:14:43.080 is notorious for infighting.
00:14:45.240 It's notorious for utopianism,
00:14:47.340 people drawing up the exact way
00:14:49.100 that the new government's going to work
00:14:50.420 when Alberta is the 51st state
00:14:52.700 or it's an independent state
00:14:54.020 or whatever.
00:14:55.080 It's a protectorate of some random country.
00:14:57.780 They love to talk about plans,
00:15:00.140 and then they never work hard enough
00:15:01.740 to implement them.
00:15:02.620 The whole thing fails,
00:15:03.660 and then they try again in three years
00:15:05.740 without actually refining their technique.
00:15:08.280 So Smith has to somehow
00:15:10.480 do a better job domestically
00:15:12.920 in order to leverage that
00:15:14.920 against the separatists
00:15:16.060 who want to basically risk
00:15:17.740 everything provincially,
00:15:19.220 giving it over to the NDP
00:15:20.260 for that 1% shot
00:15:21.480 that separatism might work.
00:15:23.300 Just many of the actors
00:15:24.260 in separatist movement right now
00:15:25.500 I don't think are professional enough
00:15:27.020 to get this done,
00:15:28.000 frankly speaking.
00:15:29.080 And I know some of them,
00:15:30.080 and I actually very much like some of them,
00:15:31.820 but they do not have the infrastructure
00:15:33.440 or the machine to get this done.
00:15:35.640 And again,
00:15:36.280 I'm not saying things are great in Canada.
00:15:37.980 Let's highlight some things
00:15:38.860 that are definitely not so great in Canada.
00:15:41.120 Have you guys seen this chart
00:15:42.400 of unemployment around the country?
00:15:44.560 Good job, by the way,
00:15:46.920 for re-electing the PC party
00:15:48.800 in Ontario, guys.
00:15:50.260 You guys now have
00:15:51.260 an unemployment rate of 7.8%.
00:15:54.100 I know the Liberals
00:15:55.500 or the NDP wouldn't be better,
00:15:57.020 but that's why I was promoting
00:15:58.120 the new blue party of Ontario,
00:16:00.020 because the PCs,
00:16:01.180 the NDP,
00:16:01.660 and the Liberals
00:16:02.140 would probably have
00:16:03.040 about the exact same levels
00:16:04.840 of performance
00:16:05.380 when it comes to employment.
00:16:07.660 Right now,
00:16:08.440 the average unemployment in Canada
00:16:10.400 is 6.9%.
00:16:12.700 It's risen by 0.2%
00:16:14.340 over the last quarter.
00:16:15.920 This is absolutely abysmal.
00:16:18.240 Honestly,
00:16:19.020 you've got to give credit
00:16:19.960 to somewhere like PEI
00:16:21.540 with a 6.6% rating,
00:16:23.580 and I'm not going to give
00:16:24.680 any credit to BC
00:16:26.040 because that has nothing
00:16:26.860 to do with David Eby.
00:16:28.020 It's more so,
00:16:29.120 I think that they just have some,
00:16:30.700 you know,
00:16:31.600 not trying to be hypocritical here,
00:16:32.980 but, you know,
00:16:33.320 they're massively high taxes
00:16:34.480 means that pretty much
00:16:35.700 that 6.2% is in spite
00:16:37.480 of everything the government's doing.
00:16:39.200 Saskatchewan, 4.3%.
00:16:40.400 Manitoba, 5.3%.
00:16:41.400 Not too bad.
00:16:43.540 It's also a heavy amount
00:16:44.920 of public employment
00:16:46.100 that's going on in BC
00:16:47.140 driving down their employment,
00:16:50.240 but, yeah,
00:16:51.740 it's not good in Canada.
00:16:52.900 And guess how we could fix
00:16:53.800 all of this?
00:16:55.840 Reducing taxes.
00:16:56.860 I don't want to be a, 1.00
00:16:59.020 like, just sounding like
00:17:00.580 I'm just, like,
00:17:01.380 hitting, beating a dead horse.
00:17:02.900 If you lower taxes,
00:17:04.620 this will all get better.
00:17:06.540 If you just lower taxes.
00:17:08.840 So Canada is absolutely
00:17:10.280 a basket case,
00:17:11.740 but I don't think
00:17:13.060 that you're going to be able
00:17:14.080 to suddenly separate out
00:17:15.540 or, in fact,
00:17:16.960 build something that's,
00:17:19.160 I guess,
00:17:19.540 immune to corruption
00:17:20.400 if you do so.
00:17:21.520 If you separate
00:17:22.360 Alberta or Saskatchewan,
00:17:24.240 those provinces can still,
00:17:26.420 as a sovereign country,
00:17:27.420 can still elect NDP governments.
00:17:29.700 They can start having
00:17:30.700 Edmonton subjugate
00:17:31.960 the rest of Alberta.
00:17:32.860 They can start having
00:17:33.460 Regina subjugate 0.94
00:17:34.620 the rest of Saskatchewan.
00:17:36.140 You can always be 0.96
00:17:37.720 basically screwed over 0.90
00:17:39.160 by somebody else.
00:17:40.640 It's not like if you
00:17:41.540 leave Canada,
00:17:42.240 suddenly everything's great.
00:17:43.340 You're going to be
00:17:44.180 trapped in a province
00:17:45.160 with other people
00:17:45.820 who also don't have
00:17:46.580 the same vision as you.
00:17:47.920 So never assume
00:17:49.280 that there's, like,
00:17:50.160 utopias always
00:17:50.980 over the next hill.
00:17:52.260 It could get even worse
00:17:53.800 and you don't even know it.
00:17:55.320 So anyways,
00:17:56.240 that's it for me today, guys.
00:17:58.000 Hopefully you didn't mind
00:17:58.820 my rambling
00:17:59.420 towards the end there.
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