The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - March 29, 2026


Will Carney kick Michael Ma from Liberal caucus?!? Liberals begin distancing!


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MP Michael Ma crossed the floor of the House of Commons to join the Liberal government in December of 2018. Since then, he has been a complete disaster for the government and the country. He has been accused of lying to a witness, lying to the media, lying in committee meetings, and lying in question period. Now, he is under fire for his comments in a committee meeting about forced labour in China.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here, and welcome back to the National Telegraph YouTube channel.
00:00:05.980 This whole Michael Ma situation continues to be a complete PR disaster for Prime Minister
00:00:12.080 Mark Carney and the Liberal government. While Michael Ma ran as a Conservative in the 2025
00:00:18.240 election, and shame on the Conservatives for letting him do that, it has now become a disaster
00:00:23.600 for the Liberals since they let him cross the floor and join their government in December.
00:00:28.160 And I think they actually made the problem worse because when Mark Carney signaled openness to the Chinese government in January and went to China with Michael Ma to sign a trade agreement, he signaled to a pro-Beijing man like Michael Ma that he could do whatever he wanted.
00:00:45.520 And pro-Beijing talking points were completely above board, and he made himself look like a psychopath and a moron in a committee meeting by basically trying to deny there was forced labor in China.
00:00:57.460 It was a completely disgusting line of questioning that he subjected a witness to, and now the liberals are having to run away from him screaming.
00:01:06.260 Remember, Mark Carney does not have majority government right now.
00:01:10.600 If he only wins two out of the three next by-elections, he ends up getting a majority if Michael Ma sticks around.
00:01:18.660 Now, the question is, is Mark Carney shameless enough to keep Michael Ma around in order to have that majority vote?
00:01:25.740 Or is he going to have to turf the guy?
00:01:28.000 Or is he only going to turf him if he wins three out of three by-elections and takes Terrebonne on top of Scarborough South as well as University Rosedale?
00:01:38.100 We will have to see, but we will start getting into more of the details of this story in just a second.
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00:02:15.260 First off, I just want to start off with a minor point of all this story.
00:02:19.640 Michael Ma deleting all of his social media.
00:02:23.280 Now, there are two Michael Ma X accounts on X, of course.
00:02:27.960 There is the one he had as a conservative.
00:02:30.040 The account name was like Michael Ma CPC in terms of the at.
00:02:34.420 now he has MP Michael Ma, because after he crossed the floor, obviously he didn't want
00:02:39.900 the acronym for the Conservative Party any longer in the account. But he, back in December,
00:02:46.040 used to post a lot from this account. He was also a prominently featured MP on the bench sitting next
00:02:52.180 to Steve McKinnon and Mark Carney during question period. It was usually him or Chris
00:02:58.040 Dontremont or Matt Gennaro being paraded out there to show the Conservatives, look, we got
00:03:03.780 your guys. Well, it doesn't look like that's going to happen anymore. This video comes from our
00:03:09.080 friend Vesper on X, where he shows that Michael Ma has effectively deleted everything on his social
00:03:15.980 media. You can see that he only had 85 followers at the time that this video was taken, but all he
00:03:22.180 has now is his lame excuse post for what he did in that committee meeting, and this post of him
00:03:28.700 touring something i think he has another post of him at some random event now but yeah there's
00:03:34.400 nobody really following him anymore they are severely cutting him out of the communications
00:03:40.560 uh i guess strategy of the liberal party they do not want this guy saying anything and naturally
00:03:47.100 he's a complete embarrassment at this point and again he should be an embarrassment for the
00:03:51.840 conservative party they were the ones who approved the pro beijing guy to run for them when they
00:03:56.400 shouldn't have they even bumped the anti-beijing conservative candidate joe tay who is far better
00:04:01.920 from the markham unionville riding in favor of michael ma and then they moved joe tay to danforth
00:04:07.560 north which he lost because it's a traditionally very left-wing riding anyways now i want to move
00:04:13.760 on to some more substantive stuff we have here researcher andy lee points out michael ma is a
00:04:21.560 vice chair of the Canadian Canada-China Legislative Association. He knows exactly what he's doing.
00:04:28.080 His actions are totally outrageous. So this ends up proving that when Michael Ma was going off in
00:04:34.560 that meeting, it's not because he's just some random backbencher who's, you know, like, he's not
00:04:40.600 some random backbencher who's just going off. He is specifically in charge of the Canada-China
00:04:46.980 relationship this previous post from andy lee on february 3rd reads here's something even better
00:04:52.980 michael ma is a vice chair of the canada china legislative association giving the liberals extra
00:04:58.400 weight in the parliamentary group invaluable given our newest strategic partner and so yeah that guy
00:05:05.100 was basically you put in charge of something it was like when matt jenneru came in as some sort
00:05:10.760 of trade advisor the title they ended up giving michael ma was this title about him managing the
00:05:16.940 Canada-China relationship. So he is, again, not some random backbencher. This is something that
00:05:21.760 the liberal government really wanted Michael Ma to be quarterbacking. And I guess he quarterbacked
00:05:28.340 it very well, depending on your perspective. If you're from the CCP or the United Front Work
00:05:33.280 Department, you're super happy with his performance. As we saw in the last video,
00:05:37.540 pro-CCP publications loved his performance in that committee meeting. But if you're the liberals,
00:05:42.320 it's a bit awkward, because at the very least, you didn't want him to go that strong pro-CCP
00:05:46.880 that fast radshaw here says is michael ma not hosting carney now on march 30th for the fundraiser
00:05:54.560 this happened on uh she posted this on march 27th i think earlier in the day and here it showed a
00:06:01.120 bunch of the upcoming fundraising events for the liberals you see there is one in uh this one uh
00:06:07.600 hamilton mountain riding and it says an evening with mark carney date march 30th 2026 an evening
00:06:14.640 with Mark Carney, location Markham, Ontario, featuring the right Honorable Mark Carney,
00:06:19.820 Honorable Gary Amasangari, Honorable Tim Hodgson. Now, that's funny because Michael Ma used to be
00:06:28.320 on the ticket. It's in Markham, you know, the place where Michael Ma is literally the MP.
00:06:37.000 Apparently, he is no longer safe for work and you cannot have him on your, you can't have him
00:06:42.840 on your fundraiser anymore again the far better conservative candidate joe tay here says in 2021
00:06:50.520 mps including liberals voted to recognize the rp the republic of china's genocide including forced
00:06:57.160 labor of uyghurs in response the liberal government has imposed sanctions on an on a uh rpc entity
00:07:06.040 and for rpc officials in zhijang for their human rights violations i think he's saying the republic
00:07:11.560 of China. About the same time, ACEUM Article 23.6 came into force prohibiting imports produced
00:07:20.100 through forced labor in North America Free Trade Agreement. Yesterday, a Liberal MP made it clear
00:07:25.420 that forced labor by Uyghurs has not happened, while questioning a former official, Margaret
00:07:30.960 McQuaid Johnson, who later on apologized. The Liberal government needs to answer the following
00:07:36.140 questions. Does the government still believe that there is forced labor of Uyghurs happening
00:07:40.060 and continues to happen.
00:07:42.360 This is important if the government no longer values
00:07:44.840 that forced labor is taking place.
00:07:46.880 It has implications for the sanctions imposed
00:07:49.360 on the MT and the officials of China,
00:07:53.540 imports of productions,
00:07:54.960 products from Zhejiang province to Canada,
00:07:57.640 exams of ACEU, and he keeps going on.
00:08:01.640 I think he must have been doing voice to text here
00:08:03.780 because the Uyghur thing wasn't pronounced correctly
00:08:06.940 or wasn't spelled correctly, but I get his point.
00:08:10.060 that obviously what Michael Ma was trying to do
00:08:13.040 was try and do an end run around current trade rules in Canada
00:08:17.260 by arguing that China doesn't really fit into those trade rules anymore.
00:08:22.120 We don't actually have to feel any shame trading with them
00:08:25.660 because, well, it's just conjecture that there might be forced labor in that country.
00:08:31.300 Now, I want to show you guys another post by someone who is an actual expert
00:08:35.040 in this particular field,
00:08:36.620 pointing out Michael Ma's crap excuse does not actually stand up to scrutiny
00:08:41.400 in terms of the claims that, well, there might be forced labor in that province,
00:08:47.640 but in the province where EVs are made, there are none.
00:08:51.120 Just a second, I need to pull this up because this is important.
00:08:54.960 Okay, I had to pause so I can find it.
00:08:57.280 I want to bring up this post from Chengqing Kuang,
00:09:00.900 who says in response to Michael Ma's terrible excuse
00:09:03.980 for what he said during that standing committee meeting,
00:09:06.620 She says, sorry, mate, there's this thing called labor transfer scheme in Canada,
00:09:11.760 Xinjiang, or Xinjiang, I can't really pronounce Mandarin words, sorry, all tainted by forced
00:09:17.360 labor. So she's pointing to something that's not specifically about Uyghur Muslims, but basically
00:09:23.620 forced labor schemes that go on in the rest of the country. She also had this other post where
00:09:29.840 she ends up highlighting some of the associations that Michael Ma has. We're not going to read the
00:09:35.820 whole thing. But she goes over all of these different basically like United Front Work
00:09:42.380 Department organizations that Michael Ma has spoken at. The United Front Work Department
00:09:47.120 is effectively China's overseas influence operation. In fact, this might end up involving
00:09:55.360 the Chinese billionaire who is suing me. One of Michael Ma's associates, I need to look into it
00:10:00.780 more. That's why I'm not naming the person. Somebody who is suing me is actually likely
00:10:05.700 connected to Michael Ma and these United Front Work Department organizations. And you know when
00:10:11.600 I was disallowed from being a conservative candidate in the 25 election, they didn't let
00:10:16.440 me actually go through the full nomination, even though everyone had greenlit me up to that point
00:10:20.520 and I had a lot of memberships sold. One of the things they used in a long list of like a dossier
00:10:27.440 of why Wyatt can't run was I was being sued. Who am I being sued by? Somebody who in the media,
00:10:34.820 well-documented, has connections to pro-CCP organizations, to pro-Beijing or anti-Taiwan
00:10:43.220 organizations, which I believe Michael Ma actually has overlap with. So Michael Ma was cool,
00:10:49.220 but I'm not cool because people connected to Michael Ma don't like me. You can't even make
00:10:54.680 it up, guys. Anyways, so now I want to move on to the, or I think, oh, did I actually do it? But
00:11:01.680 yeah, so right now, we have the Liberals just ripping Michael Ma's name off of everything.
00:11:07.380 He actually used to be on that list of fundraisers. He was going to be a part of it,
00:11:12.500 and now he is no longer going anymore. This is the actual other Joe Tay post I was trying to find
00:11:18.300 here. So yeah, this is the one that proved that Michael Ma was originally going to be at this
00:11:25.320 event. So this is the before and after photo. Look, this is the email that would have gone out
00:11:31.220 to people in the Liberal Party. An evening with Mark Carney. You have to spend $1,775 to show up
00:11:38.640 to this. Youth age 35 and under, you get $925 to get into this event. And look, hosted by,
00:11:48.040 featuring Mark Carney, hosted by Gary Amasangari, MP Scarborough Guilford Rogue Park,
00:11:55.240 and also hosted by Michael Ma and Tim Hodgson. So Michael Ma was originally going to be at this
00:12:02.460 event. So now you have to ask yourself, is this just a tactical retreat on the part of the Liberal
00:12:08.120 Party with Michael Ma, or is this going to be a situation where they're going to have to dump the
00:12:12.680 man? Because you know that the Conservative Party is going to keep hammering them on this issue.
00:12:18.380 Yes, they were dumb enough to let Michael Ma run for them, but he wasn't the one who blew up in
00:12:22.880 their faces, so why not cash in while the going's good? Plus, again, the Conservative Party could
00:12:29.160 maybe argue, I don't think it's a great argument, but they could argue that, well, maybe we didn't
00:12:34.620 know, but you've created such a permissive environment to be pro-CCP that this guy we
00:12:40.560 didn't know was pro-CCP is now letting his freak flag fly. Now, my one thing is they should have
00:12:47.340 known that the guy was dirty. Regardless, that whole situation is over now, and now this is a
00:12:52.700 major black spot for Mark Carney and the liberals. This is why I also stress that the Conservative
00:12:59.240 Party, I think, needs to be more ambitious with these by-elections in Scarborough and University
00:13:06.380 Rosedale. Now, in Terrebonne, let the Bloc Québécois do well, or if you're going to run a
00:13:12.460 conservative candidate, just have them door knock the liberal parts of neighborhoods. Just have them
00:13:17.980 try and rip away some liberal voters, but let the Bloc win that one. You want to keep the liberals
00:13:23.300 from getting their full majority. They can still get the full majority by just winning University
00:13:27.940 Rosedale and Scarborough but now the entire thing is going to be tainted by the presence of Michael
00:13:32.960 Ma as one of the majority MPs so the thing that the conservatives need to do though is take these
00:13:39.580 other two by-elections seriously are they safe liberal ridings sure but we just saw is news
00:13:46.840 cycles can change maybe the Michael Ma thing is going to basically change nothing on the ground
00:13:51.540 but you have to run bold candidates even in ridings you don't think you can win and I'm not
00:13:57.020 trying to slag anyone here, but the people that the Conservative Party is running in University
00:14:02.220 of Rosedale or Scarborough South doesn't feel like the candidate you put forward when you're
00:14:06.660 really going to try and reach for that brass ring, even though you know it's probably not
00:14:10.460 going to be a win. You want to push as hard as possible to improve your performance over the
00:14:17.100 last election because that does help build momentum. Even if you lose, you don't just want
00:14:22.040 23% of the vote like you got last time in a Toronto riding, you want 35%. So you got to push
00:14:27.980 hard. So I don't really like the current strategy that they're going with right now. But
00:14:31.920 overall, at least Polyev knows that this is a bad look for the Liberals, and he has been plugging
00:14:37.840 away on it. Again, Conservatives would probably send out a note to the membership saying we will
00:14:43.260 never pick a Michael Ma again. And we will have, you know, people like Joe Tay and Kenny Chu tell
00:14:48.760 us who's who in the zoo in terms of CCP people, and we will not run those guys. But Polyev here
00:14:55.120 says, liberal Mark Carney must tell us where he stands. Does he agree with his liberal MP saying
00:15:00.620 there's no forced labor in China? Yes or no. And obviously a little bit of this is Pierre Polyev
00:15:06.620 being slightly cheeky because he knows that Carney can't point the finger back at him and say,
00:15:11.100 he used to be your candidate. So it's like, okay, so do you want him on your side of the field or
00:15:15.780 not. He's no longer my guy. You have to eat this one because you were so proud of him before as a
00:15:21.480 liberal MP, and I was the one saying that he was a traitor. You know, he was just being a traitor
00:15:26.400 against the Conservative Party, not Canada yet, but it's not like Poliev has been saying nice
00:15:30.820 things about him for three months the way that Mark Carney has. But isn't this the way of
00:15:35.580 politics? Everyone's screwing up somehow, but it ends up only blowing up in one party's face.
00:15:40.660 anyways so that should be it for me today guys thank you for watching the show make sure to
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