The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Woke ＂Reconciliation＂ activists scamming Canadian Taxpayers (ft. Frances Widdowson)

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here.

00:00:03.040 Easily one of the least talked about areas of public policy in Canada has to be Indigenous issues.

00:00:09.780 Despite tens of billions of dollars of taxpayer money going to Indigenous programs every single year,

00:00:17.000 politicians both on the left and the right rarely will ever talk about it

00:00:21.540 and especially not criticize any policy about Indigenous people

00:00:25.960 because that may be called racist or insensitive.

00:00:30.300 But that's why we have my next guest on today

00:00:33.080 because she does not shy away from talking about sensitive issues

00:00:36.540 because her first motivation is always getting to the truth.

00:00:40.540 And that is why I have on today Professor Frances Widdowson

00:00:44.560 who is probably the biggest opponent in Canada of what she has dubbed in the past the Aboriginal industry.

00:00:51.920 Thanks for coming on, Frances.

00:00:53.380 Thanks for having me on.

00:00:55.060 Absolutely.

00:00:55.460 And so basically, I guess I want to get into some of the things that you've been doing recently

00:01:00.880 with your first documentary that's come out about Powell River, What Remains,

00:01:07.000 and then your follow-up documentary in Kamloops.

00:01:09.620 I think that's very interesting stuff.

00:01:11.300 I've watched your first documentary.

00:01:13.280 It was fantastic.

00:01:14.540 It made me excited to watch the next one.

00:01:16.140 But maybe before we get into that and some of the other issues you've been tackling recently

00:01:21.780 when it comes to the Aboriginal industry, to the reconciliation industry,

00:01:26.560 how did you kind of get involved in this area of policy

00:01:29.680 and become one of the top critics when it comes to, I guess,

00:01:33.340 how tens of billions of dollars are spent every single year?

00:01:36.740 Yeah, so it started in the government of the Northwest Territories, where I met Albert Howard.

00:01:43.320 And we found out from discussions that there was this large industry at work

00:01:49.380 made up of lawyers and consultants that was siphoning money away

00:01:53.620 from much-needed programs and services in Aboriginal communities.

00:01:57.800 And the issue that allowed us to understand this was the traditional knowledge policy,

00:02:03.780 what was called the Aboriginal Traditional Knowledge Policy.

00:02:07.040 And what this was, was essentially a bribe to Aboriginal groups

00:02:10.740 to go along with the diamond mines under the pretense that Indigenous, 0.61

00:02:17.140 what's now called ways of knowing, would help us to understand the diamond mines.

00:02:22.080 So I was suspended when I criticized that policy with Albert Howard in the journal Policy Options.

00:02:30.080 And I figured, since there were these constraints about talking about this in the government,

00:02:36.500 I should really go into the academic realm, because that's where you can tell the truth,

00:02:43.020 is in the academic realm.

00:02:45.440 And I was able to do that until 2021, when it all came crashing down,

00:02:51.720 when I was terminated from Mount Royal University in December 2021,

00:02:57.180 because I was saying things that a number of trans activists and Indigenous activists didn't like

00:03:04.560 at that university.

00:03:06.480 Well, of course, I actually took classes with you.

00:03:09.380 I thought you were a fantastic professor.

00:03:10.860 And the funny thing with all the students, all the faculty members who ended up hating you irrationally,

00:03:17.440 every time I would challenge them on like, well, you like, how are Frances's classes?

00:03:22.360 Like, well, she's really fair.

00:03:23.540 She's a really fair marker.

00:03:24.420 I think she's one of the better professors.

00:03:26.180 And so that was always one of the funny things is that people would agree that you are actually

00:03:29.920 a very reasonable person, but then would become irrational when your criticisms of, you know,

00:03:36.500 gender theory came up, when you criticize the BLM movement, when you criticize the Aboriginal industry.

00:03:43.420 The idea is that you must not know what you're talking about when this is your entire policy background.

00:03:49.080 But maybe jump ahead now to your book on what was it disrobing the Aboriginal industry, how that kind of I think that was probably your first foray into becoming like a bigger figure in this whole area of policy.

00:04:05.960 I know, of course, you had the policy options paper that ended up getting you terminated.

00:04:11.080 But I remember watching you on the Steve Pakin show back in the day, talking about this book and how this started into the more widespread narrative that Professor Frances Whittowson is a racist.

00:04:23.860 Yes. So the Aboriginal industry, which is really not mostly about Aboriginal people, it's about the non-Aboriginal lawyers and consultants who make their living from maintaining Aboriginal people in a state of dependency. 0.99

00:04:39.500 And what we were doing was examining all the arguments that were justifying the perpetuation of grievances, which are largely legal grievances.

00:04:53.440 But what that does, the arguments that were used to justify this were arguments that maintained Aboriginal people in an isolated and dependent state because they did not reckon it.

00:05:05.460 But what's currently being and it's getting worse, it's much worse now than it was in 2008 when that book was published, but it's not understood at all that what is traditional Aboriginal cultures, which is not about Aboriginal people, because many Aboriginal people are completely integrated in modern society.

00:05:26.240 But in terms of isolated Aboriginal communities, many of the people in those communities hold on to what would be considered to be traditional Aboriginal cultures, which are rooted in the hunting and gathering mode of life, which is a less developed culture than the culture of modern societies in things like politics, because you have what's called

00:05:55.200 nepotistic or tribal or tribal forms of relations, economic factors because of the subsistence practices of hunting and gathering societies, very, very significant problems in working by the clock and showing up on time and working according to the disciplines of a modern labour force.

00:06:17.100 And then most significantly, less developed forms of understanding, which are based upon trial and error and what would be considered to be local knowledge, as well as a number of animistic spiritual beliefs, which are anti-scientific and prevent Aboriginal people from having the understanding that's necessary to become engineers, doctors,

00:06:43.780 and all of those professional occupations, and all of those professional occupations, which require a high level of education.

00:06:50.160 And what you're talking about with these sort of like Indigenous ways of knowing being promoted, a lot of this does link back to the issue of residential schools and how effectively the legacy of residential schools have been weaponized against modern education when it comes to more isolated Indigenous groups.

00:07:11.620 But then that also, I want to jump forward now, because this all then leads to what I would consider to be the Aboriginal industry or the Reconciliation Industries magnum opus event, which is the Kamloops Residential School grave hoax. 0.59

00:07:28.880 And I think we can call it a hoax, and I think we can call it a hoax at this point, there's nothing to it, but maybe this also has to do with your firing at Mount Royal University and the litigation that followed with that,

00:07:40.720 because it was an obviously wrongful termination based on any reasonable reading of tenure rules and just general workplace harassment policies.

00:07:49.900 But what happened with the declaration of the graves and then your career?

00:07:56.240 Yes, so I don't call it a hoax, I should make that clear. I don't think hoax is a very good word. I call it a deception, the mass grave deception. And a lot of it is self-deception.

00:08:08.200 So that's important to point out that there are people who are who truly believe that there are bodies buried in the Kamloops apple orchard, there are opportunists who are obviously, you know, perpetuating known falsehoods, but and it's often difficult to separate those two things out.

00:08:28.240 So, so that's the first thing. In terms of Mount Royal, started in 2020 with a declaration in general faculties council that the residential schools were genocidal.

00:08:40.920 I could not believe that when that happened, because what that did is it put a target on my head and poisoned my work environment, because everyone started saying,

00:08:52.040 why do we have Francis Widowson here as a professor when it's been decided that that is Mount Royal's position on the residential schools?

00:09:02.720 And that led me to, because of the poisonous environment and the fact that 40 professors were mobbing me, the most significant being a person by the name of Gabrielle Lindstrom, who now goes by her maiden name, Gabrielle Weaselhead,

00:09:18.000 who was very upset about me criticizing any of her ideas, and she mobilized an anonymous student, was supposedly an anonymous student group to try to get me fired. 0.77

00:09:32.960 And that resulted in me satirizing her attempts to get me fired. 0.88

00:09:37.380 Now, one would think that an attempt by a colleague to get another colleague fired for pursuing academic arguments would be considered to be harassment.

00:09:49.120 That would be the definition.

00:09:51.620 But instead, my satirizing her efforts to get me fired was found to be harassment that I was actually harassing her.

00:10:01.480 And this is a complete outrage, what happened.

00:10:04.980 It's a destruction of tenure, it's pandering to the worst elements in the university, but because of the climate of indigenization which exists, 1.00

00:10:16.680 one cannot criticize what's being put forward by these indigenous activists,

00:10:20.900 and that results in the perpetuation of this falsehood, this obvious falsehood about the remains of 215 children being confirmed at the Kamloops Indian Residential School.

00:10:36.640 This is a highly improbable hypothesis, because not one parent has said that their child never came home from the residential school.

00:10:47.360 And if that's the case, who are the bodies of the children that are supposedly buried in this apple orchard?

00:10:57.280 And of course, we haven't moved on from this falsehood that was perpetuated in May 2021.

00:11:04.140 And I want to move on in a bit here to the excuse making that is now everywhere for why they won't actually, you know, get down to the truth, quite literally dig up the supposed graves,

00:11:18.300 find out if they're like what happened, because you'd think that we would all be, you know, benefited by having more information.

00:11:24.800 But no, but I do want to just quickly back you up that I was on the general faculty council at Mount Royal University as a student representative at the time,

00:11:33.780 I saw people try and spar with you in meetings, I saw people try and call you out as being wrong and like intolerant.

00:11:42.280 And it would always just again, turn into the label, the labels, the name calling.

00:11:46.280 And I was there for when they were discussing implementing indigenization programs.

00:11:51.600 And it was always this arbitrary idea that it just needs to be in a school programming for the sake of it.

00:11:59.720 Business classes, you know, like nursing classes, all this stuff now needs to have indigenous ways of knowing baked into them.

00:12:08.400 I remember a speech that you gave where they brought in, let's just say somebody who basically believes in animistic healing practices to speak in a room of professors,

00:12:20.300 many of whom have PhDs in medicine, obviously, as professors talking about different home remedies that you would probably be potentially reported for child endangerment

00:12:31.640 if you were giving children this kind of medication or this kind of healing practice rather than anything real.

00:12:38.400 Yes, and this was Renee Watchman, who invited this person who was an elder.

00:12:45.520 And this elder said, some person from the audience asked the question, what do you do about gut problems in children?

00:12:55.580 So if your child has a stomach ache, this elder said, you rub corn pollen on their feet and do a sunrise ceremony.

00:13:07.320 That's what this elder said.

00:13:09.940 And this led me to ask questions, which then formed the basis of Renee Watchman's harassment complaint against me. 0.99

00:13:18.020 And instead of reacting and saying to Renee Watchman that this is a frivolous and vexatious complaint, because obviously, I should be able to ask questions about that.

00:13:29.840 Mount Royal supported her.

00:13:31.300 And in fact, she was encouraged to make these kinds of arguments that totally delegitimize my position at Mount Royal.

00:13:42.460 So what Mount Royal University has done is absolutely shameful.

00:13:48.080 And we are still waiting for a reckoning on this, because the arbitrator, David Philip Jones, was a complete incompetent and just basically was a glorified note taker in terms of all the arguments that were being made.

00:14:03.960 So fortunately, my case is being appealed to the Labor Relations Board in December, and we will see if any rationality prevails with respect to the obvious setup of myself and the attempts to push a truth telling professor out of a university.

00:14:25.140 This is a serious case, and we do not want that precedent to be set, because I should be back in at Mount Royal University today.

00:14:36.380 There is no reason why I cannot be there, except people like Gabrielle Weaselhead and Renee Watchman don't feel safe when I criticize their arguments.

00:14:47.400 It's basically a modern day Maoist struggle session in, you know, in the 60s with the Thousand Flowers Bloom program, where then when they didn't like the ideas that people had, they ended up, you know, calling people like counterrevolutionaries and toxic.

00:15:04.640 And if you argue it back in your favor, that's considered an attack on the people.

00:15:08.860 And so when you have to explain yourself to these histrionic professors, now you're condescending to them, now you're harassing them simply from defending yourself from the grossest accusations and wrongful complaints against you, which, again, is a form of harassment when you constantly have people calling you into meetings and emailing you and chastising you about things that did not happen.

00:15:33.380 But now to move back over to what I wanted to talk about with the excuse making around the graves, I want to play us in with this clip from Mo Amir's podcast on Czech News, Van Colors, where he had now, I believe, Vancouver Center, or Vancouver whatever, I don't actually know his writing, Wade Grant, who is a Liberal MP, on to talk about Dallas Brody, who is the former Conservative MLA from Vancouver Quilchina, now 1BC.

00:16:03.380 CMLA and the leader of 1BC, on why her comments about the Kamloops grave situation were gross, but why it's not actually the responsibility of the band or anybody else to prove whether or not the graves exist.

00:16:18.300 Let's talk about Dallas Brody's initial comments. She was pointing to the Kamloops Residential School, saying that, you know, they had found these 215 anomalies that they thought may have been unmarked graves of children, and that to date, no bodies have been discovered.

00:16:37.060 This seems to be factually true, at least on its surface. You were a vocal opponent of this. You criticized her for this. What exactly was so hurtful about her saying that?

00:16:48.660 Well, we have to know that residential schools, we know that children died there. We know children were abused there. We have direct testimony from residential school survivors that talked about the horrific things that happened to them.

00:17:03.540 It's not up to us to go and dig up the Kamloops Indian residential school. That's the Kamloops Indian Band that has that right. It's their title and rights holders there, and they want to take the time because they know how difficult, how difficult it's going to be

00:17:18.540 to uncover anything because there's still so many survivors are trying to heal from there. I don't think we need to go and dig up bones to prove that children died in residential schools.

00:17:28.540 And that's what's so hurtful is that we're having to discuss this again, and to be able to come to an agreement that residential schools were so horrific in a dark part of our past.

00:17:39.540 I love that response from him, because it's as close to saying, please don't look into it, as you could possibly get, in the sense that he's wanting us to reckon with the history.

00:17:52.540 He's wanting for us to, you know, recognize the horrific things that happened, but we can't literally recognize them with our own eyes by actually investigating.

00:18:04.220 Yeah, there's two major problems with what he says there, and this is what it's often called a Mott and Bailey strategy.

00:18:14.220 You could see it as a bait and switch, which is the problem of clandestine burials, which is the allegations that have been made that there are these children buried in secret graves in the apple orchard,

00:18:31.020 because there would be no reason to bury people in an apple orchard unless it was foul play, because there is a cemetery on the reserve of the Kamloops Band.

00:18:43.020 So, no one's denying that children died at these schools.

00:18:49.020 There's 49, in fact, there's 49 documented deaths of children who are associated with the Kamloops Band residential school.

00:18:56.020 According to the research done by Nina Green and Jacques Riard, this is 25 died at hospital or in their home communities, and then the rest are, you know, possibly associated when they were at the school.

00:19:11.020 So, that's known, no one's disputing that, but we know the cemeteries where those children are buried.

00:19:17.020 It's not a big mystery.

00:19:18.020 So, that's the first thing is that there's this confusion that's going on.

00:19:23.020 The second thing that he says is it's up to the Kamloops Band to make these determinations.

00:19:32.020 What he fails to state is that $12.1 million of public funds had been allocated for excavations and associated expenses.

00:19:44.020 And those were supposed to be done between 2021 and 2023.

00:19:50.020 We have documents from Black Locks Reporter which show that was the two-year period where that was supposed to be done.

00:19:57.020 That has not been done.

00:19:59.020 So, are we just going to allow groups to obtain public funds for purposes that they're supposed to be using these funds for particular purposes and they just decide not to do that?

00:20:15.020 Is that going to be what is happening now?

00:20:18.020 Because if that's going to be the situation, you know, it's going to be complete inefficiency and unaccountability.

00:20:24.020 We just got through a federal government scandal of GC Strategies being paid $50 million to create the Arrive Can app, which you can say they way overspent on it, which they objectively did.

00:20:36.020 But they actually came up with the product at the end of the day and we don't have any federal politicians calling out $12.1 million being basically just burned.

00:20:45.020 We don't know where it is.

00:20:46.020 We don't know who has it.

00:20:47.020 We don't know if it's in some, we don't know if it's not been spent or if it has been spent.

00:20:52.020 But we definitely know that nothing has been delivered.

00:20:55.020 But we have people like Wade Grant saying, well, we don't really need to dig it up because we know indigenous children died at residential schools.

00:21:02.020 Like, of course, it's the 1880s.

00:21:06.020 It's the 1890s.

00:21:07.020 Kids died at school.

00:21:09.020 That's what happened.

00:21:10.020 Was there abuses at residential schools?

00:21:13.020 Sure.

00:21:14.020 That's bad.

00:21:15.020 But always having to upgrade it to genocide or always having to upgrade it to like something that sounds almost more horrific than anything that would have happened in the Jim Crow South is in fact actually insulting to anybody who would have been abused or who would have been killed because you're now trying to turn their real stories into a grand conspiracy theory.

00:21:39.020 Taking people's actual suffering and then trying to upgrade it for political gain is actually standing on their graves.

00:21:46.020 Yeah.

00:21:47.020 And using children like like the the implication that children were murdered.

00:21:51.020 This is the sort of annoying thing is that we're not talking about abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, neglect, all those sorts of things like like that.

00:22:01.020 That's those are arguments that we can have on another day.

00:22:06.020 What we're talking about is a specific claim that was made on May 27th, 2021.

00:22:12.020 And now there's an attempt to rewrite history and say that this band claimed that anomalies have been found or potential graves have been found or probable graves.

00:22:24.020 They said nothing like that.

00:22:26.020 They said that the remains of 215 children had been confirmed and that made the entire country go into this complete hysteria where we flew the flags at half mass for five months.

00:22:43.020 We had all these people crying and putting teddy bears everywhere.

00:22:48.020 And that was not because some children had been sexually abused.

00:22:53.020 We knew that before that was all part of the whole settlement that happened in 2006 and so on.

00:23:00.020 This is specifically about the Kamloops case.

00:23:03.020 And Dallas Brody, quite rightly, in her defense of James Heller, who's the lawyer who was defamed by the Law Society for just wanting to put potential the word potential in front of 215 graves.

00:23:18.020 He got defamed by a whole bunch of groups.

00:23:23.020 She was just rightfully standing up for him and saying zero bodies have been found.

00:23:28.020 That's all she was doing.

00:23:29.020 And the insane thing with Jim Heller is that when he wanted the word potential added to the Law Society's own resources for lawyers to basically, you know, it's required reading for them to know all this stuff.

00:23:42.020 That the Kamloops band itself has walked away from saying potential graves or definitely, they don't even say potential graves, they don't even say graves, potential graves.

00:23:52.020 They say anomalies that might be graves.

00:23:55.020 So they're hedging super hard these days because at some point reality is going to catch up to you and you do want to soften the blow when it actually finally does come out that you have to admit that there's probably nothing there or you do end up excavating in it.

00:24:08.020 And it's the septic field that we already see in records already exists there and perfectly explains why you're going to see anomalies through ground penetrating radar.

00:24:19.020 You should actually maybe inform the audience a little bit about what's gone on with ground penetrating radar.

00:24:26.020 Your documentary What Remains did a good job on it, but maybe give us an introversion.

00:24:31.020 And by the way, for the audience, I just want to let everyone know I'm going to be linking her documentary in the description below as well as pinned at the top of the comments.

00:24:40.020 I watched it all the way through as soon as I saw it.

00:24:42.020 I know you never even recommended to me.

00:24:44.020 Actually, it popped up in my recommendations the hour it came out and then I watched the whole thing.

00:24:48.020 Then it's very detailed and I think some of the best parts of it are talking to average people who obviously don't want to say what you're able to prove to them that even if you can prove it to them.

00:25:03.020 They're like, well, what is truth matter anyways and leaving it at that.

00:25:08.020 But a lot of this comes from the ground penetrating radar evidence in heavy quotations.

00:25:14.020 What is the ground penetrating radar and how has it led to this, I guess, this fad?

00:25:20.020 Yeah.

00:25:21.020 Well, just to briefly state about the anomalies, the Kamloops ban walking back, the remains claim to anomalies.

00:25:29.020 We're just finding out that that was done because of Parks Canada's skepticism about it, which finally came out and therefore they made the Kamloops Residential School into a National Historic Site.

00:25:44.020 And so the walking back of that claim was related to those interactions with Parks Canada.

00:25:51.020 And in terms of the ban, the ban, this is part of the deception is that the ban says anomalies.

00:26:00.020 But then when they're talking in some other context, they revert back to what they call the le squeak way, which is the two was called the 215, the missing children.

00:26:13.020 And Tanya Talaga, just as recently, she's a journalist, a so-called journalist with the Globe and Mail.

00:26:20.020 She just said last month, I clipped it on my Twitter account that she's talking about the le squeak way and the missing and the children who never came home with respect to Kamloops.

00:26:32.020 So this is just complete deception, saying one thing, duplicity, saying one thing and then saying another in another context.

00:26:44.020 So this really needs to be called out, all this stuff that's going on.

00:26:49.020 So that's all sorts of things that are going on in my Twitter account, which I highly recommend people take a look at because I've just been doing that as well.

00:26:57.020 But What Remains, which is a documentary that I directed with Simon Hergott, who was a journalist with Global News for 10 years and got fired because he was challenging various politically correct ideas.

00:27:12.020 He is an absolute videographic genius, and I love working with him.

00:27:19.020 Unfortunately, he needs to be paid because he's a professional.

00:27:24.020 So we need to raise funds to continue our work, which I think is a very, very important part of what we're doing.

00:27:31.020 But if people look at What Remains and the GPR, this is a big part of what Simon was able to dig out of the footage.

00:27:39.020 You have Keisha Supernon and Clark, his last name is Clark.

00:27:46.020 They are talking about the GPR in this clip whereby they see anomalies and they're saying, can you imagine what this could be other than a three year old child that is laying on its side?

00:28:02.020 They're putting these ideas into the students' heads that they are teaching at this time.

00:28:09.020 And we have been in contact with ground penetrating radar experts.

00:28:15.020 They are actual experts.

00:28:16.020 They're geophysicists.

00:28:18.020 You have to be a geophysicist with expertise in this area, which Sarah Bollier, who was the GPR person at Kamloops was not.

00:28:26.020 She is what's called a conflict anthropologist with no training.

00:28:32.020 She claims she had training, but it turns out that's not the case.

00:28:35.020 So she's just running GPR machines over a field and then has anomalies that come out.

00:28:41.020 And those anomalies could be animal boroughs. 0.76

00:28:45.020 They could be cobbles.

00:28:46.020 They could be changes in soil density.

00:28:48.020 They could be rocks.

00:28:50.020 And we actually had one excavation done at Pine Creek, which is in Manitoba, where there were 14 anomalies that were discovered in the church basement.

00:29:01.020 The knowledge keeper said that, you know, there were children buried in the church basement.

00:29:06.020 They went down there and they excavated.

00:29:08.020 And it turned out that that was rocks that was buried in the Pine Creek case.

00:29:13.020 So GPR does not at all reveal burials of people.

00:29:19.020 And you need to excavate.

00:29:22.020 Excavations are required.

00:29:24.020 And we don't even need excavations in terms of camels of this site because there was a report that was produced by Sarah Bollier that was vetted by five archaeologists.

00:29:36.020 But that report, which was paid for with $40,000 of public funds, has not been released to the public.

00:29:45.020 So we need that report so we can analyze Sarah Bollier's methodology.

00:29:50.020 The most crucial aspect being, did Sarah Bollier do a preliminary assessment of the excavations that had happened on the site?

00:30:01.020 The most significant being the many rows of septic tiles that were laid in the 1920s, which would exhibit very similar types of markers as graves would.

00:30:16.020 So we have a whole bunch of unanswered questions, which the band is stonewalling on, because they don't want excavations to be done, because they don't want there to be a chance that they're not going to find any remains on that site.

00:30:32.020 And getting to the reason why they don't want to actually get to the bottom of this, because you could say, you know, maybe it's a pride thing.

00:30:41.020 No one likes to admit that they're wrong.

00:30:43.020 But I think the bigger looming issue here is, again, something that very much motivates the reconciliation Aboriginal industry.

00:30:52.020 And that is, frankly, money.

00:30:53.920 And what we've seen, this is also something that Black Locks reporter had shown is that shortly after the Kamloops grave claims and which ended up causing a fad of ground penetrating radar scans of areas around residential schools or other areas, which is actually going on today.

00:31:12.820 I believe there was one last month where, again, we suddenly found another 300 people that we didn't know about before.

00:31:18.820 Eventually, we will have scanned the ground and found out that the entire population of Canada is buried underneath the ground.

00:31:25.820 But right after the Kamloops claim was made, checks started being written by the federal government in cases where they were not planning on paying out.

00:31:34.820 But the whole idea is that the grave, and this is stated, that the grave situation ended up basically changing the government's mind or making them less resistant to approving grants, to approving more funding requests.

00:31:50.820 Yes.

00:31:51.820 Yes.

00:31:52.820 And in What Remains, which is the documentary that Simon Hare got and I directed, which you can watch on YouTube, there was two major issues that happened there because of this.

00:32:03.820 The first one is the name change of Pell River.

00:32:06.820 Before May 27th, 2021, it was just kind of a tentative idea that was being floated and there was recognition that this was going to be expensive and the citizens of Pell River might not want to do this.

00:32:19.820 After May, and it was in June 2021, John Hackett wrote this very demanding letter saying it's not a question of, you know, if the name is going to be changed, it's a question of when.

00:32:34.820 That was the way he put it.

00:32:36.820 And that's just ripped the town apart.

00:32:38.820 It's been unbelievable in terms of the creation of conflicts that never existed before because of this authoritarianism that emerged because of that.

00:32:48.820 The secondary, which is actually much more significant.

00:32:51.820 And this is, you know, basically the end game of all of this.

00:32:55.820 The lawyers know what they're doing.

00:32:57.820 The lawyers in the Aboriginal industry, they have all sorts of plans to get grievances going so that they can, you know, churn their fees and pay off the corrupt Aboriginal leadership or what I call the neo tribal elites. 0.98

00:33:14.820 And this issue, which is incredibly significant, is the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, what is called UNDRIP.

00:33:25.820 And although DRIPA in BC, which is putting it into provincial legislation, has been around since 2019, the federal piece of legislation was being resisted by, I believe, six provinces and the Conservative Party.

00:33:39.820 And when we heard about Kamloops and the remains of 215 children, everyone thought, this is horrible and we've got to make amends for this mass grave that's been discovered and all the murders that occurred.

00:33:56.820 That went through, that was pushed through, that legislation, which is going to have huge consequences for the country.

00:34:04.820 It is going to throw all of the ownership regimes into question because what UNDRIP does is it takes an ethnic principle and places it over top of what is in a liberal democratic country is a geographical political system.

00:34:25.820 And so now you have ethnic groups, essentially ethnic interest groups that sit on committees with the provincial government and British Columbia.

00:34:37.820 And if you want to change things that are on Crown lands, and we've seen this with Pender Harbor, the docks in Pender Harbor, you're going to have to get approval from an ethnic group over which you have no ability to hold accountable. 0.86

00:34:51.820 So you have no way of voting that group in or throwing that group out of office.

00:34:56.820 And now you're going to have to pay tens of thousands of dollars in archaeological fees to be able to get your dock changed in all these kinds of scenarios.

00:35:07.820 And there's all sorts of other implications for Crown land.

00:35:11.820 And I believe in British Columbia, it's over 90% of land is Crown land.

00:35:16.820 So this is going to be all thrown into dispute with the DREPA, which is the provincial legislation.

00:35:21.820 Yeah, and this is actually what, maybe we can go into the British Columbia politics and how I guess wokeism has now, and a lot of the stuff is the ultimate form of the woke left.

00:35:35.820 The idea that you have now been awakened to the corruption that is Canada and the way that we, you know, make amends for it is that we create a racial hierarchy of power and privileges and whatnot in order to make up for this and, you know, enforce equity, something like that.

00:35:52.820 But the thing is, I, the BC Conservative Party, which you think would be the party that would be opposing DREPA, that would want to rip up DREPA, has switched since the provincial election in October of 2024, to now no longer actually opposing DREPA.

00:36:13.180 And I just want to mention, full disclosure, I do work for Dallas Brody and Pierre Armstrong with the 1BC party.

00:36:19.540 I've had people say like, like, oh, that means you're not objective.

00:36:22.600 Like, goodness, I could, I could make more money.

00:36:25.260 I could do more by just chilling out for whatever the biggest party in the room is.

00:36:29.340 That's just not how I operate.

00:36:30.480 But when there were these two bills that came up, or three bills, one of which was just outright terrible, but it had less to do with this.

00:36:38.080 But we had two bills go through session, through the legislative session, right before the legislature closed in June, or I believe late May.

00:36:47.940 And that was Bill 14 and Bill 15.

00:36:50.540 That was the provincial equivalent of what Mark Carney and the federal liberals just did with Bill C-5.

00:36:56.400 It's allowing the government in their provincial cabinet in BC to fast track infrastructure projects and resource and renewables projects that they like.

00:37:04.460 And I found it very curious that in arguing against these bills, BC conservative MLAs were talking about how this was violating DRIPA and indigenous land title and their right or consultation.

00:37:19.300 Because I, and whenever I've argued with some of these people like Scott McInnes and other individuals in that party, they'll always say, well, land title, there's not actually that much title land in British Columbia.

00:37:32.120 At the same time that they will then argue in favor of the DRIPA definition of land title, which you can get into just how insane it is.

00:37:40.280 Because if this was just about actual title land, it wouldn't matter at all.

00:37:45.040 The problem is, is that DRIPA allows you to basically redefine reality and territorial boundaries at will.

00:37:52.260 Yes.

00:37:54.280 So, in terms of wokeism, and I'm a socialist, so I have no dog in this fight.

00:38:01.420 I support Dallas Brody for her courage and her principles.

00:38:07.380 We need more politicians who are principled.

00:38:10.600 The Conservative Party is unbelievably opportunistic and unprincipled.

00:38:16.560 And that is a huge problem.

00:38:19.220 And this is across the board in Canada, is that whenever you get elected politicians, they're focused on getting elected and not on being leaders to say, this is what I think is the right path.

00:38:33.400 And follow me if you think this is the right path.

00:38:36.540 No one, hardly any politicians do that anymore.

00:38:41.020 That's a very, and Dallas Brody is doing that.

00:38:44.080 So, I take my hat off to her, although I would disagree with her on many of the, you know, the pro-capitalistic kinds of things.

00:38:53.480 I think that demonstrates that these are literally just universal common sense issues about being against corruption, about being in favor of real legal equality.

00:39:04.660 The funny thing about all of this, or at least actually the kind of sad thing, is that none of this is actually benefiting Indigenous people who live on title land.

00:39:15.480 They are, they have extra collective rights as a band council and people, but they actually lack individual rights.

00:39:23.860 So, one of the problems with DRIPA, which again, the NDP supports and now the BC Conservatives half oppose it, like Rustad will say that he would want to repeal it.

00:39:33.540 But then he says he wants to enforce UNDRIPA, which is actually worse than DRIPA is.

00:39:37.280 And then other MLAs, their own executive director, Angelo Isidoro, basically said that there is free votes effectively allowed on DRIPA because not everyone agrees on it.

00:39:45.980 Like, that's insane because it was part of the main platform.

00:39:48.720 It was like one of the main planks to get rid of it.

00:39:50.960 But DRIPA prevents mines from being started, logging from happening, all the stuff, pipelines can be blocked at whim.

00:39:59.120 Even if you are an Indigenous individual wanting to start your own business, you can be blocked because you're not the band council.

00:40:06.020 Yes, and this is, you know, this is the big issue for left-wing people like myself, who is anti-woke, who's anti-creating racial hierarchies and giving privileges to neo-tribal elites, and the destruction of publicly owned lands and types of interactions.

00:40:31.740 So now you have, and this is one of the big things about crown lands, is crown lands in British Columbia are owned by the people of British Columbia.

00:40:43.120 That's who owns those lands.

00:40:46.040 Now what they're doing is they're turning over some of that control to an ethnic group.

00:40:52.120 But the public lands includes Aboriginal people.

00:40:56.880 It doesn't exclude them.

00:40:58.100 They're part of the public.

00:40:59.720 But the whole mentality behind DRIPA and UNDRIPA is to create this ethnic principle when we should be working towards a geographical kind of principle, which includes everyone.

00:41:15.340 And what you're going to see with DRIPA, which is a major part of it, is the public, like royalties and so on that are raised from crown lands, stumpage fees and so on.

00:41:26.340 That goes into the government's tax base.

00:41:30.320 And it uses that tax base to pay for things like hospitals, schools, roads, and so on, which both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people benefit from. 0.98

00:41:42.540 What's going to happen is it's going to divert a lot of that funding into the hands of the Aboriginal industry, which is not going to go to the marginalized members of Aboriginal communities who sorely need all sorts of high quality services, which they're not going to get.

00:42:00.980 And then you're going to see the conditions of the marginalized members of Aboriginal communities deteriorate.

00:42:07.700 And then there's going to be a demand for the government out of its tax base, which is now reduced, because a lot of it's being siphoned away by the Aboriginal industry, that the government step in and pay to deal with all these problems, which the Aboriginal neotribal elites are not going to look after at all. 1.00

00:42:25.400 Tribal politics is about rewarding your friends and relatives.

00:42:30.660 That's what it's about.

00:42:31.920 It's not about helping those who are not closely related to you.

00:42:38.800 And in fact, those people are going to be far worse off by a tribal political regime than they are with a national or a provincial political system, which does not evaluate people's needs according to how closely they're related to the chief.

00:42:54.120 Well, this also happens in the corporate world, too, where, you know, you use it or you lose it, where when you are given money, you always use as much as you can and then say that you're actually a little bit short.

00:43:06.020 I even noticed this on the General Faculty Council of Mount Royal University, that the deliberate push at the end of the year to just spend money on stuff or else the government may think that we can we can operate on a smaller budget happened every year.

00:43:19.040 I remember somebody even requested money for a field school about going and shopping at the mall.

00:43:25.300 That was something that was an actual class that somebody got a funding approved from the General Faculty Council, not how to run a retail store in a mall, how to shop at a mall.

00:43:35.240 That was a class.

00:43:36.120 But we have these insane stories now being justified with legislation like DRIPA, where indigenous people in certain at certain provincial parks, it is a provincial park, have exclusive access to it on for like 100 days out of the year.

00:43:52.520 Where only indigenous people with indigenous identification can enter, and then you will have counties or specific local areas trying to basically make it that, yeah, you may own a farm, but indigenous people can jump your fence and hunt on your land if they want, because it's all technically their land. 0.96

00:44:10.760 That's actually the background of one of the independent MLAs, Jordan Keeley, he actually, in his riding up in the northeast of British Columbia, had to push back on that as a city councilor, and actually won, or not a city councilor, but a county township councilor, on this insane policy where people are just going to be able to, you know, abuse your actual land.

00:44:37.100 And people can just walk onto it whenever they want, based purely on ethnicity.

00:44:41.840 Yeah, and this is why I do not think that wokeism is left-wing, is because it is creating a racial hierarchy, and it's creating other hierarchies based upon subjective identities, which actually disadvantage the impoverished elements of those who hold those identities.

00:45:04.720 So instead of solving the economic problems, which are very significant for aboriginal people, there are many aboriginal people who are living in absolutely terrible conditions that need to be rectified.

00:45:22.720 But the whole nature of aboriginal policy now is not to address that, it's to funnel money into the aboriginal industry, which benefits the neotribal elites and the industry, of course.

00:45:39.940 The industry is the driver of it, so the legal fees.

00:45:43.080 That's what people should be looking at, is that with all these negotiations that go on, and the Kamloops ban, this is a very good example, you mentioned about Blacklock's reporter that we don't know where the money went.

00:45:57.940 Well, that's partially true because we got the documents, and they were heavily redacted, so we don't know exactly where the money went, but we know where some of the money went, and that money went to 25 consultants, a lot of that money.

00:46:14.420 These people who are public relations people, who have been spinning this story from the very beginning, and that's the deception that we're talking about, Simon and I are talking about, the mass grave deception, is that they knew on May 25th about this story, the Kamloops ban did.

00:46:38.320 They had a press release that they had a press release that they created on May 25th, which they embargoed, and they only allowed friendly journalists to look at, and then they released it as a scoop to James Peters of CFJC on May 27th.

00:46:55.900 So there was 25 publicists working behind the scenes, all making professional salaries who were part of this deception, and with the new series of documentaries that we're hoping on doing, Simon Hergott and myself, and this is why we need to fundraise,

00:47:16.120 and this is why it's really important for people, if they're interested in this issue, to, you know, send, you know, to donate some money to what we're doing, because what we want to do is we want to get into the massive institutional failure that allowed this to happen.

00:47:33.340 It's very significant.

00:48:03.340 question.

00:48:04.440 It's very significant.

00:48:05.400 It's very significant.

00:48:05.700 It's a, so it's very significant to how people just put themselves up this claim, even to the extent

00:48:06.340 of making it illegal, which is, of course, the residential school denial of some legislation which MP Leah Guezan has put is proposing, which is supported by Chief Stuart Phillip, who is an unbelievably corrupt neotribal elite who is calling Dallas Brodie all sorts

00:48:28.340 Brody, all sorts of names, just because, you know, she is saying that there's zero bodies

00:48:35.020 of Kamloops. It's just unbelievably amazing. We need to go after Kamloops, because that is

00:48:40.940 one of the cards in this very, very unstable infrastructure, which needs to come crashing

00:48:48.520 down in order to address the needs of both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people, as well

00:48:55.860 as, you know, save our liberal democratic system and the crown land situation in British

00:49:03.720 Columbia.

00:49:04.740 You did my transition for me, because I was about to bring up what is the Aboriginal industry,

00:49:10.040 what is the reconciliation industry doing in order to protect themselves? And, you know,

00:49:16.580 one of the big tragedies of life is that with all the NDP MPs getting defeated in the recent

00:49:23.600 election, one of those people was not Leah Gazan, who is maybe next to Charlie Angus,

00:49:30.100 one of the most anti-free speech people that are currently in government. Good thing that

00:49:36.000 Charlie Angus finally decided to retire. But she is planning, I believe, on reintroducing

00:49:41.980 this piece of legislation. And it was being supported not just by her own small party,

00:49:47.380 it's being supported by the Liberals. Because even with the Liberals, with maybe Mark Carney

00:49:52.800 in charge now, who is less of a woke activist than Justin Trudeau was, and I would agree,

00:49:59.060 wokeism is not inherently left-wing. There is a reason why there exists the woke right that

00:50:04.300 James Lindsay talks about. It's a mentality and a way of viewing politics, just as there is

00:50:09.820 indigenous ways of knowing, there are woke ways of knowing, and knowing the real truth behind

00:50:15.580 things that then allows you to effectively, like, you know, overturn the system in favor

00:50:20.700 of whatever you want. But, and you're 100% right, that was one of the most startling things I had

00:50:26.960 seen early on to working with Dallas Brody, was Chief Stuart Phillips and his organization right

00:50:32.860 here, UBCIC, the Union of British Columbia Indian Chiefs, effectively calling for Dallas Brody to be

00:50:40.840 locked up a few months ago. And they can quibble and say, no, I never said that she should be

00:50:46.240 imprisoned. Well, the UBCIC called for her to be prosecuted. And Leah Gazan's own legislation that 1.00

00:50:54.780 they were calling to be reintroduced at that time, because this is when Parliament had been dissolved,

00:51:00.460 they were actively saying that they were supporting this legislation, which had criminal penalties,

00:51:06.280 including imprisonment. And if you were fined, and you don't pay that fine, you would then be

00:51:12.800 imprisoned. The thing is that at the end of the day, anything that you are criminalizing, you are

00:51:18.400 willing to lock somebody up for, or else it's not an actual criminal penalty. Just saying that, well,

00:51:23.540 we might just charge you a $50,000 fine, doesn't actually not mean that the threat there isn't also

00:51:30.300 that you're going to be in prison. It's still, at the end of the day, the government effectively

00:51:34.460 pointing a gun at you and saying that you must do this or that because, blah. And in this case,

00:51:39.780 because you've offended the sensibilities of this random corrupt chief.

00:51:45.280 Well, Leah Gazan's legislation that she proposed that died, but they're going to try to reintroduce it,

00:51:52.760 which is absolutely shocking. The fact that there's not a massive outcry against it is very disturbing.

00:51:59.700 Her legislation was up to two years in prison for residential school denialism. So it's not even

00:52:06.020 about fines. And Leah Gazan...

00:52:08.760 It's not going to be two years because if you violate it again, no doubt the punishments will

00:52:15.380 persist. The whole point is that you will keep being punished until you stop.

00:52:18.520 Yes. And in terms of Gazan, so in What Remains, which is the documentary on Powell River that

00:52:27.420 Simon Hergott and I co-directed, a friend of mine in Powell River took a... There's a couple of

00:52:35.700 interesting things about Leah Gazan in that documentary. The first one is that a friend of

00:52:41.760 mine in Powell River took a footage of a talk that she gave on January 20th, 2025. So that was about

00:52:50.100 six months ago where she was still referring to the 215 children found at Kamloops. So all these

00:52:57.660 people who are saying that residential school denialism is misinformation and having factually

00:53:04.220 incorrect information. Leah Gazan is spreading misinformation all over the place. And she said, 0.99

00:53:10.340 I could not believe this, that nothing is more violent than denying the story of a residential 0.96

00:53:19.880 school genocide survivor. That, for her, is the most violent thing that she can imagine when we have, 0.97

00:53:27.900 you know, you know, the Holocaust. We have, um, the death squads in Latin America. We have the Rwandan 1.00

00:53:35.720 situation where, you know, people are being hacked apart by machetes, et cetera, et cetera. So that is an

00:53:42.040 absurd thing for Leah Gazan to be saying. And she is an absurd person. No one should take her seriously 1.00

00:53:48.480 at all. It is just a joke. She, I always consider her to be Candace Mazie Hirono, if you know that

00:53:54.680 senator, uh, just somebody who clearly just woke up five minutes ago, every single time I've, I've

00:53:59.840 heard her speak genuinely, just genuinely doesn't like, here's the thing. I remember this interaction

00:54:06.140 between her and conservative MP, uh, Garnett Genui, where she denied the church burnings that were

00:54:13.660 going on around Canada, basically refused to, refused to even consider that these might be an act of

00:54:20.320 arson, despite the fact this happened right after Kamloops and had been happening en masse in the

00:54:26.000 country around different, it wasn't like there was a forest fire, which burned through town and

00:54:29.900 then it took a church with it. These are just churches popping up all over the place. And she

00:54:34.780 says, well, I don't know who's supposedly committing these crimes. So I'm not going to, I'm not going to,

00:54:39.720 I have to reserve my judgment. Effectively saying, which is one of the most racist things I've ever

00:54:44.860 heard in my life, that she may not consider it actually wrong to burn down a church, many of

00:54:49.880 which are churches on indigenous land that indigenous people attend. It might not be wrong

00:54:54.960 if the people doing it are indigenous. Yeah. And, and, and to be honest, I think it's, uh, Thomas Sowell,

00:55:03.040 the reason why she's even tolerated is, uh, you know, what Thomas Sowell calls the, uh, the racism of low

00:55:10.620 expectations. If Leah Gazan wasn't indigenous, uh, I really find it hard to believe people would, 1.00

00:55:16.940 would not be just criticizing her like mad. And that's kind of one of the problems is that

00:55:21.980 it does indigenous people, no favors to condescend to them and pat them on the head and not ask them

00:55:29.660 the, the, the hard questions that are asked of everyone else in society, because that holds

00:55:35.500 aboriginal people back and prevents them from developing an understanding, a better understanding 1.00

00:55:41.960 of the nature of society. And it leads to this unbelievable arrogance that you see in people

00:55:49.780 like chief Stuart Phillip and Leah Gazan. And the other thing that happened in what remains,

00:55:56.020 which is very shocking concerning Leah Gazan, is that Leah Gazan's talk that she gave in January,

00:56:03.500 2025, that was covered by the local newspaper, the peak. And what happened is that we tried to

00:56:12.300 advertise my talk, which was providing a, a critique of things, uh, things like what Leah Gazan was talking

00:56:19.860 about called, um, the gray bear at Kamloops. And the peak refused to cover the advertisement,

00:56:27.500 to, to, to put the advertisement in its paper, because it said that I was spreading misinformation

00:56:33.500 misinformation. Um, and then when we tried to go ask questions of Kelly Keel, who is the, uh, the publisher

00:56:41.440 of the peak, uh, she wouldn't, she wouldn't take any questions. She, the, the receptionist ran up the 0.95

00:56:47.300 stairs away. We were never able to actually get any answers from her as to what this misinformation was.

00:56:53.400 And so this just shows you the media, you know, the terrible corrosion of journalistic principles that

00:57:02.020 exist within the media, that what remains talks about, and that Simon Harrogot knows all too well

00:57:08.980 because of his experiences as a, as a journalist. And with respect to the new documentary series that

00:57:14.160 we want to do, we're really going to go into, you know, the failure, the massive failure of the media

00:57:21.700 and how they did not ask the questions that needed to be asked with respect to the falsehoods that have

00:57:30.200 been spread for over four years now, with respect to the Kamloops case.

00:57:35.340 Yes. And by the way, taxpayer subsidized media or fully taxpayer paid for meal in the case of the

00:57:41.920 CBC, but especially when you see a local paper, that one is definitely subsidized, not only by the

00:57:47.920 federal government, but also by the provincial government. So the idea that they can refuse you

00:57:52.540 on grounds that they can't even back up is just patently insane. If it's a public paper, frankly,

00:57:58.500 they should probably be very limited, limited reasons for them to be able to say no. If it's

00:58:04.560 something that is provably like, yeah, you can't run an ad with like swastikas in it or something

00:58:08.920 like that. It's a paper for everybody. You can't do that. You can't like take over the paper with like

00:58:13.700 insane imagery to make other people not want to read it, but they shouldn't be able to say no to

00:58:18.380 this, especially when again, they weren't even willing to, you think this would be a great moment to

00:58:23.200 take down Francis Woodhouse and have her walk into your newspaper, have cameras on and be like, 0.99

00:58:28.060 well, no, you're wrong on this area that you're wrong here, there and everywhere. And no, they

00:58:33.760 just run away. And I experienced this all the time. People who, as soon as you act, they say you're

00:58:39.160 wrong. And then when you are asked for a reason, oh, you're just stupid. You're, you're simplistic. 1.00

00:58:44.100 You don't know why she's wrong. And this would always happen at Mount Royal University to circle,

00:58:48.780 circle back to my experience. Every time I would hear people say that, you know, Francis is a racist.

00:58:55.300 Francis is so wrong about this. She's so undereducated. If I called them on it, they'd be like, 0.84

00:59:00.000 you don't know. It's just like this, a performative, like, like, oh, this was so

00:59:06.820 ridiculous. You don't understand. You don't understand. It's like all these people who pretend 0.98

00:59:12.020 to be knowledgeable. Yeah. Only deflect. And there's a very great segment in what remains

00:59:19.680 and is also a standalone video, which is this woman who came to protest my talk that I gave 1.00

00:59:28.980 in, I guess it was in March, 2021 in Powell River. And that's what, what remains is kind

00:59:34.160 of following my talk and having additional materials that supplemented. She was standing

00:59:40.260 there with a poster that was saying, you know, this, uh, Francis Whittleson racist, this, and

00:59:49.280 all sorts of defamatory kinds of accusations. And Simon filmed me, uh, going up and trying to talk to

00:59:57.660 her about this. And, you know, I was just asking her questions about, you know, why is she saying

01:00:03.620 that my work is racist? And she said, well, I've read your books. It's in your books. And I go,

01:00:08.520 well, which books are you talking about? She said, Grave Error. I've read Grave Error. I said, oh,

01:00:12.380 you've read Billy Remembers, which is the chapter that I have in Grave Error. And she says, no,

01:00:17.920 I haven't. And I says, well, that's in Grave Error. So if you had read Grave Error, you would know

01:00:23.460 that Billy Remembers was in Grave Error. And I was just like, I don't need to talk to you. I don't

01:00:28.520 need to explain myself to you. But it's like, well, if you're going to be standing there with a sign

01:00:33.140 accusing someone of racism, you know, don't you think that you should be able to substantiate

01:00:40.960 what it is about their work that you find to be racist? And she just would not,

01:00:46.540 she would not explain anything. And that's kind of what happens to you when you're trying to deal

01:00:51.160 with this situation. And it's distilled cognitive dissonance that they know they're wrong,

01:00:57.980 but they also think they're right. And those two things are happening at the same time. That's the

01:01:02.760 problem dealing with these people. It's even, it's actually cognitive dissonance plus, it's even worse

01:01:09.160 because cognitive dissonance makes you think that you couldn't possibly be wrong. This person knows

01:01:15.000 they're wrong. That's why they showed up to be a twerp. You called them on it. So they know

01:01:19.680 they're extra wrong in the situation because they've been called on lying, but they're right

01:01:24.360 because they stand on the right side of the issue. So how could I possibly be wrong when I am morally

01:01:30.160 better? And it's, it's basically fantasy logic, the fantasy or fictional logic that I am on the good

01:01:37.280 people side. So anything Francis says is evil and deceptive. And that's how these people are almost

01:01:42.120 kept within the ideological plantation.

01:01:45.920 And then you have, which we saw in What Remains as well, when you do sort of tell people that,

01:01:52.420 you know, do you know that there's, there's been no excavations or those kinds of questions,

01:01:58.280 then they'll start telling you how the truth doesn't really matter about this anyway. You know,

01:02:04.620 like, that's the most amazing thing. And we're seeing that with Negan Sinclair, who's

01:02:09.520 Murray Sinclair's son and, and Sean Carlton, both of the University of Manitoba.

01:02:15.440 And I'm hoping to go to University of Manitoba at the end of September to, for truth and reconciliation.

01:02:23.300 Data do some spectrum street epistemology there, because we need University of Manitoba should be

01:02:30.160 under the gun because of its national center for truth and reconciliation, which is an unbelievable

01:02:37.480 entity that needs to be held to account. And they'll say things like, Oh, all these residential

01:02:46.080 school denialists, they're, you know, focusing on this really minor issue about the Kamloops case and

01:02:54.120 the Kamloops unmarked graves, when that's not a minor issue. The Kamloops, the claim that was made

01:03:01.440 about Kamloops is not a minor issue. This is a huge issue that we need to have a reckoning on.

01:03:09.080 And we need to find out the truth with respect to that. But then when you try to do that, you'll say,

01:03:14.640 Oh, well, you know, that doesn't really matter whether, you know, the truth comes out about it.

01:03:19.860 You know, there's all these problems that Aboriginal people have. Well, you know, the fact that we don't 1.00

01:03:25.020 have the truth is seriously contributing to the terrible deprivation that Aboriginal people are

01:03:33.000 experiencing and how they're being held under the thumb of these privileged neo tribal elites who are 0.98

01:03:40.080 propped up by all these kinds of Aboriginal industry machinations. I've always thought this is a random 1.00

01:03:47.100 side note, I've always thought it was always sort of insulting that if you're going to make an Indigenous 1.00

01:03:51.260 themed national holiday, why would you call it Truth and Reconciliation Day? It's turning into a day of bad

01:03:59.980 things. It's a day of, of like, of like mourning and failure and stuff like that. Like, why not call it

01:04:07.540 Tecumseh Day or something like that? And I always thought that would be too pro-Canada. That would be

01:04:12.180 highlighting an Indigenous person who liked Canada. And that's a problem. So they would never name it 1.00

01:04:17.340 something like Tecumseh Day because that's not about grievance. That's not, you can't get, you can't

01:04:22.820 demand money out of Tecumseh Day, but you can demand money on Truth and Reconciliation Day. Yeah.

01:04:28.340 Because, you know, why not have a day where people go to the bar and they're like, Oh, hey, heck yeah,

01:04:32.620 we can raise a glass because it's Tecumseh Day. No one does that on Truth and Reconciliation Day. It's like,

01:04:37.940 sad in like a really insulting way to the Indigenous community. Let's have a day about 1.00

01:04:42.700 being hard done rather than being triumphant. I mean, plus the Orwellian, plus the Orwellian

01:04:48.940 language, which is, it's got nothing to do with truth and nothing to do with reconciliation.

01:04:56.060 It's about falsehoods and grievance mongering. That's what it's about. Like people get wrapped

01:05:03.080 into, Oh, this is about compassion and about kindness and love and all these things. It's

01:05:08.360 nothing could be further from the truth. Like it is about trying to get people to open their wallets

01:05:15.660 and provide more money to the Aboriginal industry so that more grievances can be perpetuated and more

01:05:23.420 transfers can be distributed to these neotribal elites. Meanwhile, the terrible conditions of 0.82

01:05:31.560 fetal alcohol syndrome, estimated at 40% in some Aboriginal communities, the terrible violence that

01:05:40.440 occurs, the educational problems, the massive educational problems, you know, the housing,

01:05:48.120 the terrible housing and water, you know, conditions, you know, these are what we should

01:05:52.700 be focusing on instead of these made up types of grievances about non-existent missing children.

01:06:02.580 You hear about these missing, and I just, you know, hear Sean Carlton and Negan Sinclair talking

01:06:08.380 about this all the time, you know, thousands of missing children. We do not have the name of one

01:06:15.020 child that's missing in the sense of what we think missing is, which is, you know, there was a report by

01:06:22.560 a parent that their child went missing. No one ever knows what happened to that child at a school.

01:06:29.240 That's not the case. You know, we do have, obviously, missing women and girls, I guess,

01:06:36.500 you know, all the prostitutes that go missing on the Lower East Side and, you know, people who are

01:06:43.620 murdered by their spouses and all these kinds of problems, but that's not what we're talking about

01:06:48.280 with respect to the Kamloops Indian residential school. Yeah, but I think that would be a great

01:06:53.120 place to leave it off. I fully recommend everybody go check out what remains, again, linked in the

01:06:58.800 description, pinned to the top of the comments, and I guess, Francis, when is the next documentary

01:07:03.820 being planned to be released? Well, it depends on the fundraising, so we need to raise funds, and I

01:07:11.480 know it's slightly awkward for me to do this because I'm not a salesperson, but in order to have

01:07:19.220 independent people producing meaningful things, you know, people who are professionals, and that's not

01:07:26.620 me because I'm, you know, fighting my wrongful termination, and I hope I'm going to get, you

01:07:31.840 know, some, you know, reinstated, so I'm not going to have financial difficulties, but, you know, Simon

01:07:36.900 Harecott is a professional, and, you know, he has to survive, and so we, that's why we need the funds

01:07:43.640 is to do the editing, like, that's the major thing, is editing takes a lot of time, and, you know, we need

01:07:50.720 the funds to do that, so if you want to see more of this content like you saw in What Remains, you know,

01:07:57.340 just even $20 is really helpful. It doesn't have to be a lot, but every bit helps, and that's going to

01:08:03.200 what is going to help us to produce these documentaries. Yeah, well, I'll definitely be

01:08:08.120 contributing. I'll also be linking that fundraiser below. Again, I encourage everyone, if you're not

01:08:13.960 considering fundraising or donating, check out What Remains first, and know that there is going to be

01:08:19.440 And just watch it and share it, and even if you can't contribute, you can share it, so it will be

01:08:23.660 helpful just to have people watch it, and you can watch it for free, so there's no problem watching it.

01:08:29.800 Follow Frances on X, of course, go watch the documentary, and I'll definitely have her back 0.99

01:08:35.100 on when we're, you know, getting close to the premiere of the new documentary, but thanks

01:08:39.400 for coming on, Frances. Thank you very much.

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - July 16, 2025

Woke ＂Reconciliation＂ activists scamming Canadian Taxpayers (ft. Frances Widdowson)

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