In this episode, Dr. Frances Widdowson discusses how she became one of Canada's most outspoken critics of the Aboriginal Industry, and why she thinks it's a racist industry. She also talks about her new documentary, "Powell River: What Remains" and her new book, "Disrobing The Aboriginal Industry."
00:03:24.420I think she's one of the better professors.
00:03:26.180And so that was always one of the funny things is that people would agree that you are actually
00:03:29.920a very reasonable person, but then would become irrational when your criticisms of, you know,
00:03:36.500gender theory came up, when you criticize the BLM movement, when you criticize the Aboriginal industry.
00:03:43.420The idea is that you must not know what you're talking about when this is your entire policy background.
00:03:49.080But maybe jump ahead now to your book on what was it disrobing the Aboriginal industry, how that kind of I think that was probably your first foray into becoming like a bigger figure in this whole area of policy.
00:04:05.960I know, of course, you had the policy options paper that ended up getting you terminated.
00:04:11.080But I remember watching you on the Steve Pakin show back in the day, talking about this book and how this started into the more widespread narrative that Professor Frances Whittowson is a racist.
00:04:23.860Yes. So the Aboriginal industry, which is really not mostly about Aboriginal people, it's about the non-Aboriginal lawyers and consultants who make their living from maintaining Aboriginal people in a state of dependency.
00:04:39.500And what we were doing was examining all the arguments that were justifying the perpetuation of grievances, which are largely legal grievances.
00:04:53.440But what that does, the arguments that were used to justify this were arguments that maintained Aboriginal people in an isolated and dependent state because they did not reckon it.
00:05:05.460But what's currently being and it's getting worse, it's much worse now than it was in 2008 when that book was published, but it's not understood at all that what is traditional Aboriginal cultures, which is not about Aboriginal people, because many Aboriginal people are completely integrated in modern society.
00:05:26.240But in terms of isolated Aboriginal communities, many of the people in those communities hold on to what would be considered to be traditional Aboriginal cultures, which are rooted in the hunting and gathering mode of life, which is a less developed culture than the culture of modern societies in things like politics, because you have what's called
00:05:55.200nepotistic or tribal or tribal forms of relations, economic factors because of the subsistence practices of hunting and gathering societies, very, very significant problems in working by the clock and showing up on time and working according to the disciplines of a modern labour force.
00:06:17.100And then most significantly, less developed forms of understanding, which are based upon trial and error and what would be considered to be local knowledge, as well as a number of animistic spiritual beliefs, which are anti-scientific and prevent Aboriginal people from having the understanding that's necessary to become engineers, doctors,
00:06:43.780and all of those professional occupations, and all of those professional occupations, which require a high level of education.
00:06:50.160And what you're talking about with these sort of like Indigenous ways of knowing being promoted, a lot of this does link back to the issue of residential schools and how effectively the legacy of residential schools have been weaponized against modern education when it comes to more isolated Indigenous groups.
00:07:11.620But then that also, I want to jump forward now, because this all then leads to what I would consider to be the Aboriginal industry or the Reconciliation Industries magnum opus event, which is the Kamloops Residential School grave hoax.
00:07:28.880And I think we can call it a hoax, and I think we can call it a hoax at this point, there's nothing to it, but maybe this also has to do with your firing at Mount Royal University and the litigation that followed with that,
00:07:40.720because it was an obviously wrongful termination based on any reasonable reading of tenure rules and just general workplace harassment policies.
00:07:49.900But what happened with the declaration of the graves and then your career?
00:07:56.240Yes, so I don't call it a hoax, I should make that clear. I don't think hoax is a very good word. I call it a deception, the mass grave deception. And a lot of it is self-deception.
00:08:08.200So that's important to point out that there are people who are who truly believe that there are bodies buried in the Kamloops apple orchard, there are opportunists who are obviously, you know, perpetuating known falsehoods, but and it's often difficult to separate those two things out.
00:08:28.240So, so that's the first thing. In terms of Mount Royal, started in 2020 with a declaration in general faculties council that the residential schools were genocidal.
00:08:40.920I could not believe that when that happened, because what that did is it put a target on my head and poisoned my work environment, because everyone started saying,
00:08:52.040why do we have Francis Widowson here as a professor when it's been decided that that is Mount Royal's position on the residential schools?
00:09:02.720And that led me to, because of the poisonous environment and the fact that 40 professors were mobbing me, the most significant being a person by the name of Gabrielle Lindstrom, who now goes by her maiden name, Gabrielle Weaselhead,
00:09:18.000who was very upset about me criticizing any of her ideas, and she mobilized an anonymous student, was supposedly an anonymous student group to try to get me fired.
00:09:32.960And that resulted in me satirizing her attempts to get me fired.
00:09:37.380Now, one would think that an attempt by a colleague to get another colleague fired for pursuing academic arguments would be considered to be harassment.
00:09:51.620But instead, my satirizing her efforts to get me fired was found to be harassment that I was actually harassing her.
00:10:01.480And this is a complete outrage, what happened.
00:10:04.980It's a destruction of tenure, it's pandering to the worst elements in the university, but because of the climate of indigenization which exists,
00:10:16.680one cannot criticize what's being put forward by these indigenous activists,
00:10:20.900and that results in the perpetuation of this falsehood, this obvious falsehood about the remains of 215 children being confirmed at the Kamloops Indian Residential School.
00:10:36.640This is a highly improbable hypothesis, because not one parent has said that their child never came home from the residential school.
00:10:47.360And if that's the case, who are the bodies of the children that are supposedly buried in this apple orchard?
00:10:57.280And of course, we haven't moved on from this falsehood that was perpetuated in May 2021.
00:11:04.140And I want to move on in a bit here to the excuse making that is now everywhere for why they won't actually, you know, get down to the truth, quite literally dig up the supposed graves,
00:11:18.300find out if they're like what happened, because you'd think that we would all be, you know, benefited by having more information.
00:11:24.800But no, but I do want to just quickly back you up that I was on the general faculty council at Mount Royal University as a student representative at the time,
00:11:33.780I saw people try and spar with you in meetings, I saw people try and call you out as being wrong and like intolerant.
00:11:42.280And it would always just again, turn into the label, the labels, the name calling.
00:11:46.280And I was there for when they were discussing implementing indigenization programs.
00:11:51.600And it was always this arbitrary idea that it just needs to be in a school programming for the sake of it.
00:11:59.720Business classes, you know, like nursing classes, all this stuff now needs to have indigenous ways of knowing baked into them.
00:12:08.400I remember a speech that you gave where they brought in, let's just say somebody who basically believes in animistic healing practices to speak in a room of professors,
00:12:20.300many of whom have PhDs in medicine, obviously, as professors talking about different home remedies that you would probably be potentially reported for child endangerment
00:12:31.640if you were giving children this kind of medication or this kind of healing practice rather than anything real.
00:12:38.400Yes, and this was Renee Watchman, who invited this person who was an elder.
00:12:45.520And this elder said, some person from the audience asked the question, what do you do about gut problems in children?
00:12:55.580So if your child has a stomach ache, this elder said, you rub corn pollen on their feet and do a sunrise ceremony.
00:13:09.940And this led me to ask questions, which then formed the basis of Renee Watchman's harassment complaint against me.
00:13:18.020And instead of reacting and saying to Renee Watchman that this is a frivolous and vexatious complaint, because obviously, I should be able to ask questions about that.
00:13:31.300And in fact, she was encouraged to make these kinds of arguments that totally delegitimize my position at Mount Royal.
00:13:42.460So what Mount Royal University has done is absolutely shameful.
00:13:48.080And we are still waiting for a reckoning on this, because the arbitrator, David Philip Jones, was a complete incompetent and just basically was a glorified note taker in terms of all the arguments that were being made.
00:14:03.960So fortunately, my case is being appealed to the Labor Relations Board in December, and we will see if any rationality prevails with respect to the obvious setup of myself and the attempts to push a truth telling professor out of a university.
00:14:25.140This is a serious case, and we do not want that precedent to be set, because I should be back in at Mount Royal University today.
00:14:36.380There is no reason why I cannot be there, except people like Gabrielle Weaselhead and Renee Watchman don't feel safe when I criticize their arguments.
00:14:47.400It's basically a modern day Maoist struggle session in, you know, in the 60s with the Thousand Flowers Bloom program, where then when they didn't like the ideas that people had, they ended up, you know, calling people like counterrevolutionaries and toxic.
00:15:04.640And if you argue it back in your favor, that's considered an attack on the people.
00:15:08.860And so when you have to explain yourself to these histrionic professors, now you're condescending to them, now you're harassing them simply from defending yourself from the grossest accusations and wrongful complaints against you, which, again, is a form of harassment when you constantly have people calling you into meetings and emailing you and chastising you about things that did not happen.
00:15:33.380But now to move back over to what I wanted to talk about with the excuse making around the graves, I want to play us in with this clip from Mo Amir's podcast on Czech News, Van Colors, where he had now, I believe, Vancouver Center, or Vancouver whatever, I don't actually know his writing, Wade Grant, who is a Liberal MP, on to talk about Dallas Brody, who is the former Conservative MLA from Vancouver Quilchina, now 1BC.
00:16:03.380CMLA and the leader of 1BC, on why her comments about the Kamloops grave situation were gross, but why it's not actually the responsibility of the band or anybody else to prove whether or not the graves exist.
00:16:18.300Let's talk about Dallas Brody's initial comments. She was pointing to the Kamloops Residential School, saying that, you know, they had found these 215 anomalies that they thought may have been unmarked graves of children, and that to date, no bodies have been discovered.
00:16:37.060This seems to be factually true, at least on its surface. You were a vocal opponent of this. You criticized her for this. What exactly was so hurtful about her saying that?
00:16:48.660Well, we have to know that residential schools, we know that children died there. We know children were abused there. We have direct testimony from residential school survivors that talked about the horrific things that happened to them.
00:17:03.540It's not up to us to go and dig up the Kamloops Indian residential school. That's the Kamloops Indian Band that has that right. It's their title and rights holders there, and they want to take the time because they know how difficult, how difficult it's going to be
00:17:18.540to uncover anything because there's still so many survivors are trying to heal from there. I don't think we need to go and dig up bones to prove that children died in residential schools.
00:17:28.540And that's what's so hurtful is that we're having to discuss this again, and to be able to come to an agreement that residential schools were so horrific in a dark part of our past.
00:17:39.540I love that response from him, because it's as close to saying, please don't look into it, as you could possibly get, in the sense that he's wanting us to reckon with the history.
00:17:52.540He's wanting for us to, you know, recognize the horrific things that happened, but we can't literally recognize them with our own eyes by actually investigating.
00:18:04.220Yeah, there's two major problems with what he says there, and this is what it's often called a Mott and Bailey strategy.
00:18:14.220You could see it as a bait and switch, which is the problem of clandestine burials, which is the allegations that have been made that there are these children buried in secret graves in the apple orchard,
00:18:31.020because there would be no reason to bury people in an apple orchard unless it was foul play, because there is a cemetery on the reserve of the Kamloops Band.
00:18:43.020So, no one's denying that children died at these schools.
00:18:49.020There's 49, in fact, there's 49 documented deaths of children who are associated with the Kamloops Band residential school.
00:18:56.020According to the research done by Nina Green and Jacques Riard, this is 25 died at hospital or in their home communities, and then the rest are, you know, possibly associated when they were at the school.
00:19:11.020So, that's known, no one's disputing that, but we know the cemeteries where those children are buried.
00:19:59.020So, are we just going to allow groups to obtain public funds for purposes that they're supposed to be using these funds for particular purposes and they just decide not to do that?
00:20:15.020Is that going to be what is happening now?
00:20:18.020Because if that's going to be the situation, you know, it's going to be complete inefficiency and unaccountability.
00:20:24.020We just got through a federal government scandal of GC Strategies being paid $50 million to create the Arrive Can app, which you can say they way overspent on it, which they objectively did.
00:20:36.020But they actually came up with the product at the end of the day and we don't have any federal politicians calling out $12.1 million being basically just burned.
00:20:47.020We don't know if it's in some, we don't know if it's not been spent or if it has been spent.
00:20:52.020But we definitely know that nothing has been delivered.
00:20:55.020But we have people like Wade Grant saying, well, we don't really need to dig it up because we know indigenous children died at residential schools.
00:21:15.020But always having to upgrade it to genocide or always having to upgrade it to like something that sounds almost more horrific than anything that would have happened in the Jim Crow South is in fact actually insulting to anybody who would have been abused or who would have been killed because you're now trying to turn their real stories into a grand conspiracy theory.
00:21:39.020Taking people's actual suffering and then trying to upgrade it for political gain is actually standing on their graves.
00:21:47.020And using children like like the the implication that children were murdered.
00:21:51.020This is the sort of annoying thing is that we're not talking about abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, neglect, all those sorts of things like like that.
00:22:01.020That's those are arguments that we can have on another day.
00:22:06.020What we're talking about is a specific claim that was made on May 27th, 2021.
00:22:12.020And now there's an attempt to rewrite history and say that this band claimed that anomalies have been found or potential graves have been found or probable graves.
00:22:26.020They said that the remains of 215 children had been confirmed and that made the entire country go into this complete hysteria where we flew the flags at half mass for five months.
00:22:43.020We had all these people crying and putting teddy bears everywhere.
00:22:48.020And that was not because some children had been sexually abused.
00:22:53.020We knew that before that was all part of the whole settlement that happened in 2006 and so on.
00:23:00.020This is specifically about the Kamloops case.
00:23:03.020And Dallas Brody, quite rightly, in her defense of James Heller, who's the lawyer who was defamed by the Law Society for just wanting to put potential the word potential in front of 215 graves.
00:23:18.020He got defamed by a whole bunch of groups.
00:23:23.020She was just rightfully standing up for him and saying zero bodies have been found.
00:23:29.020And the insane thing with Jim Heller is that when he wanted the word potential added to the Law Society's own resources for lawyers to basically, you know, it's required reading for them to know all this stuff.
00:23:42.020That the Kamloops band itself has walked away from saying potential graves or definitely, they don't even say potential graves, they don't even say graves, potential graves.
00:23:52.020They say anomalies that might be graves.
00:23:55.020So they're hedging super hard these days because at some point reality is going to catch up to you and you do want to soften the blow when it actually finally does come out that you have to admit that there's probably nothing there or you do end up excavating in it.
00:24:08.020And it's the septic field that we already see in records already exists there and perfectly explains why you're going to see anomalies through ground penetrating radar.
00:24:19.020You should actually maybe inform the audience a little bit about what's gone on with ground penetrating radar.
00:24:26.020Your documentary What Remains did a good job on it, but maybe give us an introversion.
00:24:31.020And by the way, for the audience, I just want to let everyone know I'm going to be linking her documentary in the description below as well as pinned at the top of the comments.
00:24:40.020I watched it all the way through as soon as I saw it.
00:24:42.020I know you never even recommended to me.
00:24:44.020Actually, it popped up in my recommendations the hour it came out and then I watched the whole thing.
00:24:48.020Then it's very detailed and I think some of the best parts of it are talking to average people who obviously don't want to say what you're able to prove to them that even if you can prove it to them.
00:25:03.020They're like, well, what is truth matter anyways and leaving it at that.
00:25:08.020But a lot of this comes from the ground penetrating radar evidence in heavy quotations.
00:25:14.020What is the ground penetrating radar and how has it led to this, I guess, this fad?
00:25:21.020Well, just to briefly state about the anomalies, the Kamloops ban walking back, the remains claim to anomalies.
00:25:29.020We're just finding out that that was done because of Parks Canada's skepticism about it, which finally came out and therefore they made the Kamloops Residential School into a National Historic Site.
00:25:44.020And so the walking back of that claim was related to those interactions with Parks Canada.
00:25:51.020And in terms of the ban, the ban, this is part of the deception is that the ban says anomalies.
00:26:00.020But then when they're talking in some other context, they revert back to what they call the le squeak way, which is the two was called the 215, the missing children.
00:26:13.020And Tanya Talaga, just as recently, she's a journalist, a so-called journalist with the Globe and Mail.
00:26:20.020She just said last month, I clipped it on my Twitter account that she's talking about the le squeak way and the missing and the children who never came home with respect to Kamloops.
00:26:32.020So this is just complete deception, saying one thing, duplicity, saying one thing and then saying another in another context.
00:26:44.020So this really needs to be called out, all this stuff that's going on.
00:26:49.020So that's all sorts of things that are going on in my Twitter account, which I highly recommend people take a look at because I've just been doing that as well.
00:26:57.020But What Remains, which is a documentary that I directed with Simon Hergott, who was a journalist with Global News for 10 years and got fired because he was challenging various politically correct ideas.
00:27:12.020He is an absolute videographic genius, and I love working with him.
00:27:19.020Unfortunately, he needs to be paid because he's a professional.
00:27:24.020So we need to raise funds to continue our work, which I think is a very, very important part of what we're doing.
00:27:31.020But if people look at What Remains and the GPR, this is a big part of what Simon was able to dig out of the footage.
00:27:39.020You have Keisha Supernon and Clark, his last name is Clark.
00:27:46.020They are talking about the GPR in this clip whereby they see anomalies and they're saying, can you imagine what this could be other than a three year old child that is laying on its side?
00:28:02.020They're putting these ideas into the students' heads that they are teaching at this time.
00:28:09.020And we have been in contact with ground penetrating radar experts.
00:28:50.020And we actually had one excavation done at Pine Creek, which is in Manitoba, where there were 14 anomalies that were discovered in the church basement.
00:29:01.020The knowledge keeper said that, you know, there were children buried in the church basement.
00:29:06.020They went down there and they excavated.
00:29:08.020And it turned out that that was rocks that was buried in the Pine Creek case.
00:29:13.020So GPR does not at all reveal burials of people.
00:29:24.020And we don't even need excavations in terms of camels of this site because there was a report that was produced by Sarah Bollier that was vetted by five archaeologists.
00:29:36.020But that report, which was paid for with $40,000 of public funds, has not been released to the public.
00:29:45.020So we need that report so we can analyze Sarah Bollier's methodology.
00:29:50.020The most crucial aspect being, did Sarah Bollier do a preliminary assessment of the excavations that had happened on the site?
00:30:01.020The most significant being the many rows of septic tiles that were laid in the 1920s, which would exhibit very similar types of markers as graves would.
00:30:16.020So we have a whole bunch of unanswered questions, which the band is stonewalling on, because they don't want excavations to be done, because they don't want there to be a chance that they're not going to find any remains on that site.
00:30:32.020And getting to the reason why they don't want to actually get to the bottom of this, because you could say, you know, maybe it's a pride thing.
00:30:41.020No one likes to admit that they're wrong.
00:30:43.020But I think the bigger looming issue here is, again, something that very much motivates the reconciliation Aboriginal industry.
00:30:53.920And what we've seen, this is also something that Black Locks reporter had shown is that shortly after the Kamloops grave claims and which ended up causing a fad of ground penetrating radar scans of areas around residential schools or other areas, which is actually going on today.
00:31:12.820I believe there was one last month where, again, we suddenly found another 300 people that we didn't know about before.
00:31:18.820Eventually, we will have scanned the ground and found out that the entire population of Canada is buried underneath the ground.
00:31:25.820But right after the Kamloops claim was made, checks started being written by the federal government in cases where they were not planning on paying out.
00:31:34.820But the whole idea is that the grave, and this is stated, that the grave situation ended up basically changing the government's mind or making them less resistant to approving grants, to approving more funding requests.
00:31:52.820And in What Remains, which is the documentary that Simon Hare got and I directed, which you can watch on YouTube, there was two major issues that happened there because of this.
00:32:03.820The first one is the name change of Pell River.
00:32:06.820Before May 27th, 2021, it was just kind of a tentative idea that was being floated and there was recognition that this was going to be expensive and the citizens of Pell River might not want to do this.
00:32:19.820After May, and it was in June 2021, John Hackett wrote this very demanding letter saying it's not a question of, you know, if the name is going to be changed, it's a question of when.
00:32:36.820And that's just ripped the town apart.
00:32:38.820It's been unbelievable in terms of the creation of conflicts that never existed before because of this authoritarianism that emerged because of that.
00:32:48.820The secondary, which is actually much more significant.
00:32:51.820And this is, you know, basically the end game of all of this.
00:32:57.820The lawyers in the Aboriginal industry, they have all sorts of plans to get grievances going so that they can, you know, churn their fees and pay off the corrupt Aboriginal leadership or what I call the neo tribal elites.
00:33:14.820And this issue, which is incredibly significant, is the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, what is called UNDRIP.
00:33:25.820And although DRIPA in BC, which is putting it into provincial legislation, has been around since 2019, the federal piece of legislation was being resisted by, I believe, six provinces and the Conservative Party.
00:33:39.820And when we heard about Kamloops and the remains of 215 children, everyone thought, this is horrible and we've got to make amends for this mass grave that's been discovered and all the murders that occurred.
00:33:56.820That went through, that was pushed through, that legislation, which is going to have huge consequences for the country.
00:34:04.820It is going to throw all of the ownership regimes into question because what UNDRIP does is it takes an ethnic principle and places it over top of what is in a liberal democratic country is a geographical political system.
00:34:25.820And so now you have ethnic groups, essentially ethnic interest groups that sit on committees with the provincial government and British Columbia.
00:34:37.820And if you want to change things that are on Crown lands, and we've seen this with Pender Harbor, the docks in Pender Harbor, you're going to have to get approval from an ethnic group over which you have no ability to hold accountable.
00:34:51.820So you have no way of voting that group in or throwing that group out of office.
00:34:56.820And now you're going to have to pay tens of thousands of dollars in archaeological fees to be able to get your dock changed in all these kinds of scenarios.
00:35:07.820And there's all sorts of other implications for Crown land.
00:35:11.820And I believe in British Columbia, it's over 90% of land is Crown land.
00:35:16.820So this is going to be all thrown into dispute with the DREPA, which is the provincial legislation.
00:35:21.820Yeah, and this is actually what, maybe we can go into the British Columbia politics and how I guess wokeism has now, and a lot of the stuff is the ultimate form of the woke left.
00:35:35.820The idea that you have now been awakened to the corruption that is Canada and the way that we, you know, make amends for it is that we create a racial hierarchy of power and privileges and whatnot in order to make up for this and, you know, enforce equity, something like that.
00:35:52.820But the thing is, I, the BC Conservative Party, which you think would be the party that would be opposing DREPA, that would want to rip up DREPA, has switched since the provincial election in October of 2024, to now no longer actually opposing DREPA.
00:36:13.180And I just want to mention, full disclosure, I do work for Dallas Brody and Pierre Armstrong with the 1BC party.
00:36:19.540I've had people say like, like, oh, that means you're not objective.
00:36:22.600Like, goodness, I could, I could make more money.
00:36:25.260I could do more by just chilling out for whatever the biggest party in the room is.
00:36:30.480But when there were these two bills that came up, or three bills, one of which was just outright terrible, but it had less to do with this.
00:36:38.080But we had two bills go through session, through the legislative session, right before the legislature closed in June, or I believe late May.
00:36:50.540That was the provincial equivalent of what Mark Carney and the federal liberals just did with Bill C-5.
00:36:56.400It's allowing the government in their provincial cabinet in BC to fast track infrastructure projects and resource and renewables projects that they like.
00:37:04.460And I found it very curious that in arguing against these bills, BC conservative MLAs were talking about how this was violating DRIPA and indigenous land title and their right or consultation.
00:37:19.300Because I, and whenever I've argued with some of these people like Scott McInnes and other individuals in that party, they'll always say, well, land title, there's not actually that much title land in British Columbia.
00:37:32.120At the same time that they will then argue in favor of the DRIPA definition of land title, which you can get into just how insane it is.
00:37:40.280Because if this was just about actual title land, it wouldn't matter at all.
00:37:45.040The problem is, is that DRIPA allows you to basically redefine reality and territorial boundaries at will.
00:38:19.220And this is across the board in Canada, is that whenever you get elected politicians, they're focused on getting elected and not on being leaders to say, this is what I think is the right path.
00:38:33.400And follow me if you think this is the right path.
00:38:36.540No one, hardly any politicians do that anymore.
00:38:41.020That's a very, and Dallas Brody is doing that.
00:38:44.080So, I take my hat off to her, although I would disagree with her on many of the, you know, the pro-capitalistic kinds of things.
00:38:53.480I think that demonstrates that these are literally just universal common sense issues about being against corruption, about being in favor of real legal equality.
00:39:04.660The funny thing about all of this, or at least actually the kind of sad thing, is that none of this is actually benefiting Indigenous people who live on title land.
00:39:15.480They are, they have extra collective rights as a band council and people, but they actually lack individual rights.
00:39:23.860So, one of the problems with DRIPA, which again, the NDP supports and now the BC Conservatives half oppose it, like Rustad will say that he would want to repeal it.
00:39:33.540But then he says he wants to enforce UNDRIPA, which is actually worse than DRIPA is.
00:39:37.280And then other MLAs, their own executive director, Angelo Isidoro, basically said that there is free votes effectively allowed on DRIPA because not everyone agrees on it.
00:39:45.980Like, that's insane because it was part of the main platform.
00:39:48.720It was like one of the main planks to get rid of it.
00:39:50.960But DRIPA prevents mines from being started, logging from happening, all the stuff, pipelines can be blocked at whim.
00:39:59.120Even if you are an Indigenous individual wanting to start your own business, you can be blocked because you're not the band council.
00:40:06.020Yes, and this is, you know, this is the big issue for left-wing people like myself, who is anti-woke, who's anti-creating racial hierarchies and giving privileges to neo-tribal elites, and the destruction of publicly owned lands and types of interactions.
00:40:31.740So now you have, and this is one of the big things about crown lands, is crown lands in British Columbia are owned by the people of British Columbia.
00:40:59.720But the whole mentality behind DRIPA and UNDRIPA is to create this ethnic principle when we should be working towards a geographical kind of principle, which includes everyone.
00:41:15.340And what you're going to see with DRIPA, which is a major part of it, is the public, like royalties and so on that are raised from crown lands, stumpage fees and so on.
00:41:26.340That goes into the government's tax base.
00:41:30.320And it uses that tax base to pay for things like hospitals, schools, roads, and so on, which both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people benefit from.
00:41:42.540What's going to happen is it's going to divert a lot of that funding into the hands of the Aboriginal industry, which is not going to go to the marginalized members of Aboriginal communities who sorely need all sorts of high quality services, which they're not going to get.
00:42:00.980And then you're going to see the conditions of the marginalized members of Aboriginal communities deteriorate.
00:42:07.700And then there's going to be a demand for the government out of its tax base, which is now reduced, because a lot of it's being siphoned away by the Aboriginal industry, that the government step in and pay to deal with all these problems, which the Aboriginal neotribal elites are not going to look after at all.
00:42:25.400Tribal politics is about rewarding your friends and relatives.
00:42:31.920It's not about helping those who are not closely related to you.
00:42:38.800And in fact, those people are going to be far worse off by a tribal political regime than they are with a national or a provincial political system, which does not evaluate people's needs according to how closely they're related to the chief.
00:42:54.120Well, this also happens in the corporate world, too, where, you know, you use it or you lose it, where when you are given money, you always use as much as you can and then say that you're actually a little bit short.
00:43:06.020I even noticed this on the General Faculty Council of Mount Royal University, that the deliberate push at the end of the year to just spend money on stuff or else the government may think that we can we can operate on a smaller budget happened every year.
00:43:19.040I remember somebody even requested money for a field school about going and shopping at the mall.
00:43:25.300That was something that was an actual class that somebody got a funding approved from the General Faculty Council, not how to run a retail store in a mall, how to shop at a mall.
00:43:36.120But we have these insane stories now being justified with legislation like DRIPA, where indigenous people in certain at certain provincial parks, it is a provincial park, have exclusive access to it on for like 100 days out of the year.
00:43:52.520Where only indigenous people with indigenous identification can enter, and then you will have counties or specific local areas trying to basically make it that, yeah, you may own a farm, but indigenous people can jump your fence and hunt on your land if they want, because it's all technically their land.
00:44:10.760That's actually the background of one of the independent MLAs, Jordan Keeley, he actually, in his riding up in the northeast of British Columbia, had to push back on that as a city councilor, and actually won, or not a city councilor, but a county township councilor, on this insane policy where people are just going to be able to, you know, abuse your actual land.
00:44:37.100And people can just walk onto it whenever they want, based purely on ethnicity.
00:44:41.840Yeah, and this is why I do not think that wokeism is left-wing, is because it is creating a racial hierarchy, and it's creating other hierarchies based upon subjective identities, which actually disadvantage the impoverished elements of those who hold those identities.
00:45:04.720So instead of solving the economic problems, which are very significant for aboriginal people, there are many aboriginal people who are living in absolutely terrible conditions that need to be rectified.
00:45:22.720But the whole nature of aboriginal policy now is not to address that, it's to funnel money into the aboriginal industry, which benefits the neotribal elites and the industry, of course.
00:45:39.940The industry is the driver of it, so the legal fees.
00:45:43.080That's what people should be looking at, is that with all these negotiations that go on, and the Kamloops ban, this is a very good example, you mentioned about Blacklock's reporter that we don't know where the money went.
00:45:57.940Well, that's partially true because we got the documents, and they were heavily redacted, so we don't know exactly where the money went, but we know where some of the money went, and that money went to 25 consultants, a lot of that money.
00:46:14.420These people who are public relations people, who have been spinning this story from the very beginning, and that's the deception that we're talking about, Simon and I are talking about, the mass grave deception, is that they knew on May 25th about this story, the Kamloops ban did.
00:46:38.320They had a press release that they had a press release that they created on May 25th, which they embargoed, and they only allowed friendly journalists to look at, and then they released it as a scoop to James Peters of CFJC on May 27th.
00:46:55.900So there was 25 publicists working behind the scenes, all making professional salaries who were part of this deception, and with the new series of documentaries that we're hoping on doing, Simon Hergott and myself, and this is why we need to fundraise,
00:47:16.120and this is why it's really important for people, if they're interested in this issue, to, you know, send, you know, to donate some money to what we're doing, because what we want to do is we want to get into the massive institutional failure that allowed this to happen.
00:48:05.700It's a, so it's very significant to how people just put themselves up this claim, even to the extent
00:48:06.340of making it illegal, which is, of course, the residential school denial of some legislation which MP Leah Guezan has put is proposing, which is supported by Chief Stuart Phillip, who is an unbelievably corrupt neotribal elite who is calling Dallas Brodie all sorts
00:48:28.340Brody, all sorts of names, just because, you know, she is saying that there's zero bodies
00:48:35.020of Kamloops. It's just unbelievably amazing. We need to go after Kamloops, because that is
00:48:40.940one of the cards in this very, very unstable infrastructure, which needs to come crashing
00:48:48.520down in order to address the needs of both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people, as well
00:48:55.860as, you know, save our liberal democratic system and the crown land situation in British