The NXR Podcast - American Glory - An Introduction to Christian Nationalism and How It Will Save America

00:00:00.000 Today on American Glory, we're tackling one of the most important and misunderstood subjects of our

00:00:04.720 time, Christian nationalism. I'm going to explain what it is and why every serious Christian should

00:00:10.480 embrace it. In my weekly audit, I'll examine a false and partially true representation of 1.00

00:00:15.360 Christian nationalism from some well-known Christian leaders. All that and more coming up right now.

00:00:30.000 Welcome to American Glory. This is season one on American Identity. I'm your host, Dale Partridge.

00:00:38.680 This is the eighth and final episode in this season, titled An Introduction to Christian

00:00:43.300 Nationalism and How It Will Save America. Now, next season, I'm going to be covering

00:00:47.900 American Christianity. I'll cover everything from colonial Christian nationalism and the

00:00:53.180 Puritan view of slavery to the birth of dispensationalism and the cults and the effeminacy

00:00:58.180 of the modern church, and even the debate between Roman Catholics and Protestants. Now, it's vital 0.99

00:01:03.820 because you can't understand America without really understanding the Christian history of

00:01:10.460 America. Now, if you didn't know, American Glory is both a podcast and a video show, and you can

00:01:17.260 listen on the NXR podcast feed or from my personal podcast feed. You can just search Dale Partridge's

00:01:22.900 podcast. It'll come up there. You can find me on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever podcasts can

00:01:27.380 be downloaded. Now, if you want to watch the video, which I recommend that you do because it

00:01:31.560 has helpful slides, graphics, video clips, got a little bit of a documentary feel,

00:01:36.160 you can watch it at my YouTube channel at Dale Partridge TV. Now, in our last episode,

00:01:43.860 I looked at the baby boomers and what an episode it was. And we looked at the baby boomers and how 0.98

00:01:50.600 they inherited the strongest, wealthiest, and most morally grounded nation in our history, 1.00

00:01:56.560 only to squander it and leave their children with decline. 1.00

00:02:01.660 Now, today, we are looking at the only real solution to the rubble the baby boomers left behind. 0.99

00:02:08.840 And as we've seen, conservatism has proven to be little more than slow liberalism. 0.99

00:02:16.040 Trump was sold to us as this national savior, yet Republicans continue to love Israel more than they love America.

00:02:23.120 Nothing has worked and nothing will work long-term that falls outside of God's design for nations.

00:02:30.260 Now, if you've been following along this season, I've laid out really a systematic case for how America became what it is today. 0.94

00:02:36.800 And as we will explore more deeply in next season, America was Christian by default. 0.83

00:02:43.900 We didn't need strong intentionality when 99% of the nation identified as Christian. 0.95

00:02:48.620 But now that we have been thoroughly deconstructed and infiltrated by foreigners, the only thing powerful enough to cut through the wicked fog of the post-war consensus and all of the mass migrations that will justify the mass deportations that we need and to restore the true identity of a strong, explicit, and unapologetic Christian nation is Christian nationalism. 0.96

00:03:10.680 So, let's begin. 0.96

00:03:11.400 now genesis 10 says that god ordered the nations according to their families their languages and

00:03:21.160 their lands that is nations are made up of genetically related people who speak one language

00:03:26.720 and live in one place the purpose of this order is to bring peace however when you disrupt that 0.70

00:03:34.300 order by flooding a nation with rival people from different ethnic families who speak different

00:03:40.320 languages and who worship different gods, you're creating an atmosphere for national conflict,

00:03:45.720 eventually collapse. The same is true with the nation's religion. Over the past several decades,

00:03:51.720 we have witnessed really the systematic privatization of Christianity. What was once

00:03:56.820 the central identity of this nation has been pushed to the margins. Prayer was removed from

00:04:02.360 schools. Christian symbols and statues have been torn down. Political opponents have weaponized

00:04:09.320 the phrase separation of church and state to silence the faith that built this nation.

00:04:15.780 Meanwhile, foreign politicians are sworn into office on Korans, mosques, and Hindu temples are

00:04:22.720 rising across our land, and our government bends over backwards to accommodate every religion 0.93

00:04:28.660 except Christianity. Unfortunately, Christians have been cowardly fools. We believe the lie 1.00

00:04:36.420 of a neutral state and the myth of secularism. But the truth is simple. All governments are

00:04:43.500 religious. All laws are based on some ultimate moral authority. Jesus was clear when he said,

00:04:48.820 whoever is not with me is against me. There is no neutrality. So in America, we have both

00:04:55.360 nationalistic and religious perversion. The only real questions are which people and religion

00:05:03.840 will dominate america will we be a european christian nation or will we be an arab islamic

00:05:10.160 nation or an indian hindu nation or something else see what americans need to learn is that

00:05:17.120 nationalism by itself is not enough a purely nationalistic nation it might offer some carnal

00:05:23.600 peace and order you know more than the globalism and multiculturalism that we have but without

00:05:28.880 Christ, it always descends into some degree of tyranny, idolatry, or sinful hatred of other

00:05:34.860 people. Now, on the other hand, Christianity without nationalism tends to become Gnostic 0.92

00:05:40.320 and retreatist. I mean, just this past week, I was arguing on the internet for God's design

00:05:46.340 for nations and I had someone, you know, respond to me and they said, oh, but what about the

00:05:50.880 passage of scripture? My kingdom is not of this world. Now, what they don't understand is that

00:05:56.420 Christ was referring to the source of his power, not the scope of its power. The source is not of

00:06:03.060 this world, but the scope certainly is. We know this because after his resurrection, Jesus declared,

00:06:09.360 quote, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and disciple all

00:06:16.900 the nations, teaching them to observe everything that I have commanded you, end quote. Ephesians

00:06:23.600 1 tells us that God the Father has seated Jesus Christ far above every rule and authority and

00:06:30.160 power and dominion, and has put all things under his feet. So Jesus is not just Lord of the church,

00:06:37.020 he's Lord of all, of everything. So this term, Christian nationalism, desperately needs clarity.

00:06:44.680 Now, currently, I see two different camps claiming the title, and I'd like to try and show

00:06:50.600 where they align and where they're different. The first camp says they want Christian nationalism,

00:06:57.900 but they reject almost everything that actually makes a nation a nation. They want Christ to be

00:07:05.740 king, but they don't care if the nation is made up of 30 different ethnicities as long as everyone

00:07:12.420 claims the name of Christ. A few weeks ago, the partial report from the PCA, the Interim Committee

00:07:19.760 on Christian nationalism made this statement. It said, quote, it is the view of the committee

00:07:25.020 that any form of Christian nationalism that elevates ethnic or racial identity to a position

00:07:30.600 of theological significance that treats ethnic homogeneity as a positive good to be pursued

00:07:36.840 through civil law or that justifies discrimination on the basis of ethnicity or race

00:07:41.080 is inconsistent with the PCA's constitutional standards and with scripture, end quote.

00:07:45.980 Now, it goes on to say, quote, be alert to views that cross the line from legitimate political

00:07:53.300 theology into ethnic partiality. Address them directly and biblically, but pastorally, end quote.

00:08:00.580 It actually adds one more point I want to add. It says, quote, we wish to warn the members and

00:08:06.020 officers of the Presbyterian Church in America of some expressions of what is called Christian

00:08:11.060 nationalism that embrace forms of anti-Semitism, race realism, and kinism under the guise of

00:08:18.280 conservative Christian political discourse. Some believe that the Bible teaches a view of nations

00:08:25.000 that treats cultural and ethnic pluralism as contrary to biblical teaching. The PCA has

00:08:31.860 repeatedly and unequivocally declared its repudiation of these views as incompatible

00:08:36.700 with biblical Christianity, and the courts of the church are urged to ensure that no place

00:08:43.000 in their ranks be given to them, end quote. Okay, so again, not everything that was said in those

00:08:50.700 quotes is wrong, but there is a lot of need for clarity, and there's a lot that I actually just

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00:10:15.620 you can feel good about feeding to your family. So basically what they're saying is that any

00:10:21.780 political position that would desire ethnic cohesion and a clear racial majority is immediately

00:10:27.600 denounced as some form of racist or sin, even though all of their adored Presbyterian and

00:10:32.840 Puritan ministers from the 1600s to about 1940 all supported ethnic homogeneity as a positive good,

00:10:38.880 and even the matters on, say, interracial marriage as something to be outlawed. 0.60

00:10:44.360 And so I view this generation of Christian leaders as suffering from a severe case of 0.92

00:10:51.740 what I would call historical amnesia. They have deliberately forgotten their forefathers' 0.94

00:10:57.140 positions, assuming those convictions were driven either by sin or by some form of ignorance,

00:11:02.220 when in reality, they cannot see clearly because they have not been so thoroughly

00:11:06.880 indoctrinated what the post-war consensus as this generation has. And so the first group

00:11:14.300 cannot call what they believe Christian nationalism. They can't use the term

00:11:20.040 nationalism, in my opinion. They want really Christian globalism or Christian multiculturalism.

00:11:27.580 And sure, if we had 30 or 40 different ethnicities and they were all Christian, 0.89

00:11:31.840 it's better than what we have now. I mean, I'll take that over what we got now. 1.00

00:11:36.140 But the first group also has a little bit more, and I think to their credit,

00:11:42.620 they interpret Christian nationalism as kind of a Christian statism, or at least a Christian

00:11:47.500 government. They want Christian leaders, Christian laws, and Christian moral frameworks to guide the

00:11:53.560 nation, which is great. But again, they are indifferent or even hostile to the ethnic and

00:11:58.700 demographic realities of a nation itself. And so you cannot use the term, in my opinion,

00:12:05.100 Christian nationalism, without embracing both terms, Christian and nationalism, especially

00:12:10.920 how they were historically understood. So the second camp understands both words. And as I

00:12:18.280 already mentioned, the Bible and all of history define a nation as the largest manifestation of

00:12:24.760 a family, a people that's really bound by what? By blood, language, culture, history, religion.

00:12:33.060 Okay. This is exactly the biblical definition of a nation. Just for example, the nation of Israel

00:12:39.180 was a large extended family. Okay. The 12 sons of Jacob bound together by what? Blood, language,

00:12:45.580 culture, history, religion. And this is not unique to Israel. Scripture presents like every nation. 0.98

00:12:51.420 It's the standard implied understanding for all nations in the Bible.

00:12:55.500 So the second group simply desires both, right?

00:13:00.060 The religious reality of Christianity and the material reality of nationalism.

00:13:05.420 And of course, we want all of them to be rightly ordered under the lordship of Jesus Christ and the scriptures, right?

00:13:14.040 Now, two important questions naturally come to mind when we have this conversation around Christian nationalism.

00:13:20.380 First is, how can I speak so strongly about distinctions while Peter and Paul repeatedly

00:13:28.000 say there is no distinctions? Second, how do these national and ethnic distinctions

00:13:37.340 actually work themselves out in the local church? So let me just start answering the

00:13:43.300 first question, then we'll move to the second one. So yes, Paul and Peter often emphasize that

00:13:49.060 there is no distinction among people, right? Paul famously writes in Galatians 3.28,

00:13:53.920 there is neither Jew nor Greek. There is neither slave nor free. There is no male and female,

00:13:59.780 for you are all one in Christ Jesus. He repeats this idea in Colossians 3.11, Romans 3.22,

00:14:07.660 Romans 10.12, and Peter says something similar in Acts 11.12 and Acts 15.8-9.

00:14:15.460 We have to remember the context of this, okay?

00:14:18.220 This was written in a world completely opposite of ours, okay?

00:14:22.480 A world where visual, national, linguistic, religious, racial, cultural, sexual distinctions

00:14:29.280 were extremely sharp and often deeply hostile.

00:14:33.600 So Paul and Peter needed to stress that when it comes to salvation and entrance into the

00:14:40.160 kingdom of God, there is no distinction.

00:14:42.400 There is no difference in how a person is redeemed.

00:14:45.760 No law-keeping, no circumcision, no special rituals, no bloodline, only faith in Christ.

00:14:51.980 Now, to us, with our modern egalitarian mindset that views really all distinctions as racist

00:14:58.480 or evil, and where every difference has been neutralized or homogenized and made androgynous,

00:15:05.840 we're dealing with the exact opposite problem.

00:15:08.660 We have been told to ignore all distinctions to such an extent that we have ignored natural

00:15:15.280 order. We've violated God's design for nations, and we've grossly overextended the doctrine of

00:15:21.320 unity in Christ to erase the very distinctions God himself ordained in creation. And so the result

00:15:28.460 is not harmony, but chaos. And so Christianity does not eliminate the distinctions God has placed 0.66

00:15:37.080 in creation. It redeems them. And so in Christ, a Jew is still a Jew. A Greek is still a Greek.

00:15:43.940 A master is still a master. A slave remains a slave. A man remains a man. A woman remains a 0.99

00:15:49.400 woman. These are earthly realities, biological, racial, ethnic, sexual, national, and they're 0.98

00:15:56.160 not erased by the gospel. Again, we are not Gnostics who pretend the physical world and

00:16:04.360 its God-given distinctions no longer matter after a person is saved. No, Christianity brings peace

00:16:10.960 and order to our distinctions. Men are called to lead their homes with sacrificial love rather than 0.97

00:16:18.100 tyranny. Christian nations are called to live peacefully with other Christian nations rather

00:16:22.840 than conquering them. Borders, biology, roles, stations, they all remain, but they are no longer

00:16:29.080 marked by hatred and violence. And as we know, Christians live with dual citizenship. We are

00:16:35.100 citizens of heaven. We are also citizens of a particular nation here on earth. We are redeemed

00:16:40.880 souls, and we are also physical men and women. We give to the church. We also render unto Caesar

00:16:46.600 what is Caesar's. See, the gospel does not dissolve these realities. It sanctifies them.

00:16:52.360 So in Christ, we do not pretend our distinctions have vanished.

00:16:57.440 We learn to honor them as a part of God's good creation while refusing to let them become

00:17:03.240 idols or sources of strife.

00:17:04.960 In fact, Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 7, he says, quote,

00:17:09.360 Only let a person lead the life that the Lord has assigned to him and to which God has called him.

00:17:15.940 This is my rule in all the churches. 0.84

00:17:18.760 Was anyone at the time of his call already circumcised?

00:17:21.680 let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was anyone at the time of his

00:17:26.820 call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision. Each one should remain in the condition in which

00:17:32.960 he was called. Were you a bondservant when called? Do not be concerned about it, but if you can gain

00:17:38.540 your freedom, avail yourself the opportunity. For he who was called in the Lord as a bondservant

00:17:44.040 is a free man in the Lord. Likewise, he who was free when called is a bondservant to Christ.

00:17:50.080 you were bought with a price. Do not become bond servants of men. So brothers, in whatever

00:17:56.480 condition each was called, there let him remain with God. End quote. In short, we have taken

00:18:04.380 a spiritual truth meant for the church and wrongly applied it to every sphere of life,

00:18:12.100 the state, the family, et cetera. And we are now reaping the bitter consequences of confusion.

00:18:18.000 And this leads us to really the second question. How do these national and ethnic distinctions

00:18:24.220 work themselves out in the local church? So first, we need to understand the doctrine of

00:18:31.560 spheres of sovereignty. God has ordered the world into distinct spheres, the family, the church,

00:18:36.980 the state. And what is true in one sphere does not automatically carry over into the other spheres.

00:18:44.040 So the stations and roles in the family don't overflow into the state.

00:18:48.440 So you might lead at home, but be subordinate at work.

00:18:52.500 You may be subordinate at the church, but you may also be the governor of the state.

00:18:58.200 And so when Paul and Peter speak of no distinctions,

00:19:03.360 I do believe this applies to a greater degree in the local church,

00:19:08.260 that there should be less distinctions in the church.

00:19:11.080 and anyone can become, for example, a member of our church. Now, if our nation, if America were

00:19:18.900 a true nation and not a multi-ethnic, multicultural experiment, it would be pretty rare to have 0.63

00:19:24.720 someone join our church who was very different from us. But there still may be the occasional

00:19:30.960 foreigner or stranger in our land. And in the local church, these people must be welcomed.

00:19:36.960 However, this does not erase their biological or national distinctions, nor does it erase the

00:19:43.160 natural lack of cohesion that they would have in the physical world. A foreigner may not feel 0.99

00:19:48.960 completely at home in our church in America, and that is natural because it's the cost of being a 1.00

00:19:54.560 foreigner. Yet we're still called to love and accept them in Christ at the local church. I think 0.98

00:20:01.320 about Jonathan Edwards. You know, he owns slaves and sought to be a benevolent master as scripture

00:20:06.900 instructed. He even treated his slaves as spiritual equals in the church. They were baptized. They

00:20:13.380 were actual members alongside him in the church. On Sunday, they were one in Christ, okay? This

00:20:20.540 spiritual unity did not erase their earthly distinctions or change the relationship outside

00:20:25.640 of the church. Now, again, I'm not saying, you know, I'm not advocating for slavery as some sort

00:20:31.120 of ideal. I'm simply showing that Christianity does eliminate distinctions pertaining to

00:20:37.940 membership in the church. It does this while at the same time sanctifying, but not erasing

00:20:43.580 the distinctions that remain in the state. Okay. So I believe most, you know, maybe the most

00:20:51.880 natural and peaceful way to live is among those who are most like us. I think that's a naturally

00:20:58.940 true fact. But again, if a brother or a sister from a different nation lawfully immigrate and

00:21:07.280 enters our local church, we have to remember that in Christ, those real distinctions that often make

00:21:14.260 unity difficult in the flesh can be overcome spiritually in the church. And so I do want to

00:21:21.720 add, you know, that I believe it would be unwise to have a foreigner rule in the local church. 1.00

00:21:31.080 And here's why. Consider the apostles themselves, right? So Peter was a Jew, and he was primarily 1.00

00:21:37.920 sent as the apostle to the Jews. See that in Galatians 2, 7 through 8. He ministered among

00:21:45.100 his own people, right? And the early church in Jerusalem was led by Jewish apostles and elders

00:21:51.760 who understood the Jewish people, the Jewish culture, the Jewish context. Peter did not

00:21:57.680 primarily lead Gentile churches. On the other hand, Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles,

00:22:05.240 but he was a man uniquely equipped because he held Roman citizenship. But even when he planted

00:22:14.100 churches, he consistently appointed local elders in each city and region. In Acts 14.23, it says

00:22:23.660 that Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in every church. In Titus 1.5, Paul instructs them

00:22:29.900 in Titus saying, this is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order

00:22:36.800 and appoint elders in every town as I directed you, end quote. So the clear implied principle

00:22:43.380 is that leadership in the local church should come from qualified men within the people and

00:22:48.880 place that they are serving, not foreigners who do not share the same blood, culture, language,

00:22:55.160 lived experience as the native congregation and local population. And this principle of local

00:23:01.860 native leadership applies not only to the church, but I think it would also apply

00:23:07.020 to God's broader design for nations. I don't think that foreigners should be leading anywhere 1.00

00:23:11.760 in our country. The only time that a non-native should lead natives is in a legitimate church 1.00

00:23:21.680 planting missionary context or in rare cases when, say, a morally and culturally superior 0.95

00:23:28.520 Christian people rightly rule over a pagan or less civilized people. I think the prime examples 0.95

00:23:35.700 would be what we see in historic Christian colonialism. But even then, there must be 1.00

00:23:43.020 really another important qualification. If someone has so fully assimilated to the local culture

00:23:51.280 that the congregation and any visitors that might come in would not be stumbled by this person

00:23:59.440 leading, then it might be acceptable. You know, for example, let's just say like a fifth generation

00:24:05.160 Hispanic man in Arizona might not stumble the American Southwest population. The American

00:24:12.760 Southwest population is very comfortable with the Hispanic community, and that might work there.

00:24:19.620 But let's just say a white man leading a church in Hawaii to the native Hawaiian people might

00:24:26.600 struggle to connect with them. A German or Palestinian would likely not be the best choice 1.00

00:24:33.480 to lead a church full of Jews, Messianic Jews, in Israel. A Hutu would probably not be the best 1.00

00:24:41.920 leader in the Tutsi church in Rwanda. Okay, there's clash there. And so the qualifications 0.98

00:24:50.280 for eldership in 1 Timothy and Titus apply to the office itself. They are not necessarily

00:24:55.820 universal in the application. So even if something is lawful, we must always consider the

00:25:03.260 local context and ask whether it will edify the church or cause people from the church to stumble.

00:25:09.240 As 1 Corinthians 10 teaches us, we should limit our liberties, our freedoms, so as not to offend

00:25:17.680 the weak. And so what would Christian nationalism essentially look like in the church? I think it's

00:25:25.580 just wisdom. I think we need to take time. And I wish that I could write out a universal statement

00:25:31.760 that would apply everywhere. I don't think I can. I think there are some universal truths,

00:25:36.260 and I think that there is a lot of need for application that requires unique principles

00:25:43.120 and taking into consideration the context of your particular circumstance.

00:25:50.620 And so people have asked me, what would I do if I was king for the day? What would Christian

00:25:57.400 nationalism look like? I think sometimes if I can paint that picture, it might help you understand

00:26:03.400 what I mean by Christian nationalism. And if I was king of America for a day or a year,

00:26:12.240 nationally, I think I would want it to look something like America did probably in 1790.

00:26:21.180 but let's just say that we go for before 1965, okay? A nation that was still approximately 90%

00:26:29.340 white, European. In other words, we had the nationalism part all the way up until very

00:26:35.640 recent times. And what we lacked was the constitutionally Christian part. So again,

00:26:42.600 if I was king, I would first clarify God's design for nations and establish the rightful

00:26:48.580 relationship between Christ and the state. And then I would add explicitly Christian language

00:26:54.800 to the Constitution, making it the bedrock for all of our laws and all of our culture. 1.00

00:27:00.300 I would do a lot of things like repeal the 19th Amendment, outlaw public practice of

00:27:06.520 any false religions, outlaw any forms of sexual degeneracy, all that. Now, I would also reject the 0.90

00:27:13.500 multicultural experiment outright. I would immediately restrict all forms of non-European 1.00

00:27:21.940 immigration and actively pursue the peaceful deportation and re-migration of those people 0.99

00:27:31.480 who have proven culturally and religiously incompatible with historic American identity. 0.84

00:27:37.980 And I would prioritize those people who show what I would call like profound differences in average

00:27:46.220 civilizational outcomes. Things like crime rates, IQ, family stability, religious worldviews.

00:27:53.420 Those people would be encouraged and incentivized to return to their own nations where they can live 0.96

00:27:59.700 according to their own culture and values. And again, I wouldn't do this out of cruelty,

00:28:05.620 but out of a desire for national peace. Again, we talked about this before. Order brings peace.

00:28:11.720 You see, pluralism and unassimilated multiculturalism always leads to rising

00:28:18.600 national conflict. And something we are witnessing even right now is increased conflict. So mass

00:28:24.760 deportations and remigration are not acts of hatred, but really necessary measures to prevent

00:28:30.600 future violence and civil strife here in America. Next, I would reaffirm that nationalism

00:28:40.500 means preserving a distinct people. Then I'd reconnect the fifth commandment, honoring your

00:28:47.220 father and mother to marriage and lineage because our parents are the closest relatives of our race

00:28:51.420 and ethnicity. Americans should, I would say Americans should prioritize spouses who share

00:29:00.460 both Christ and their American ethnicity, or ideally their ethnic, historic, European

00:29:07.400 compatibility. I wouldn't outlaw individual interracial marriages, but I recognize that

00:29:15.600 at scale, interracial marriage starts to erode the unique ethnic identity of a nation's people. 0.99

00:29:24.640 So ultimately, I would govern in the spirit of the American founders, okay, who understood

00:29:30.140 these realities instinctively. They welcomed limited immigration, but overwhelmingly favored

00:29:35.740 European stock. Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, even many Christian pastors and theologians

00:29:41.720 repeatedly warned that flooding the Republic with foreign peoples, especially through large-scale

00:29:47.280 third world immigration or different races, would undermine and eventually destroy national

00:29:53.240 ethnic identity. And I would probably argue that my position on marriage is actually moderate. 1.00

00:30:01.700 Okay. I think you might be listening to this and thinking, oh my goodness. But I think my

00:30:05.460 position is actually moderate compared to the founders. They outlawed interracial marriages

00:30:09.760 between whites and blacks, between whites and Native Americans, whites and most Asians.

00:30:15.520 And those remain the law on the books in most states until the 1960s. And so I don't think

00:30:21.900 this should shock any of us either, right? The preamble of the constitution says that the United

00:30:27.400 States was designed for ourselves and our posterity. Okay. The question is who is ourselves

00:30:36.920 and our posterity? Well, we know the answer to that. It was primarily English. We were after all

00:30:42.960 new England. Okay. But as we saw in a 1790 and the naturalization act at the first congressional

00:30:50.080 gathering, the founders extended citizenship to all white people of good character, aka Europeans.

00:30:58.220 Now, I find it interesting how many Christian leaders, pastors, can't grasp this, okay, both

00:31:04.840 on just like a textual level and a moral level, okay? Pastors are so committed to proper hermeneutics

00:31:12.240 when interpreting scripture. You know, they're constantly emphasizing, oh, context and authorial

00:31:16.720 intent and what was the original meaning. But they refused to apply that same intellectual rigor

00:31:21.660 when interpreting the U.S. Constitution. Now, as a nationalist, I still don't believe

00:31:28.980 we need to close the borders entirely forever and reject all immigration. I think scripture 0.98

00:31:36.580 allows for measured immigration with assimilation, but all that immigration must be, one, from

00:31:44.400 ethnically compatible nations. Two, carefully controlled to prevent demographic replacement.

00:31:52.380 Three, would ban the importation of pagan religions. And four, would prevent the creation 0.93

00:31:59.360 of parallel societies, hyphenated Americanism, et cetera. So this is, I think, what it would look

00:32:06.980 like if I was king of the day. There's a bunch of other things that I would add, but that's my

00:32:14.320 short snippet. Now, it's funny, this week I had someone ask me why I hold such strong positions

00:32:20.980 on race and immigration when I'm married to a non-white woman. Now, first, my wife's ancestry

00:32:27.920 is majority European. She's 50% Italian with significant Spanish heritage and the rest from

00:32:34.880 Central America, Costa Rica era. So you might not know this, but Italians, Spanish, and most

00:32:41.580 Costa Ricans identify as white. America itself, right, is named after an Italian explorer,

00:32:48.300 Amerigo Espucci. And so many people don't realize that Hispanic, first, one, it's not a race.

00:32:56.360 It's not even an ethnicity. It's like a collection of ethnicities. There are white Hispanics, like

00:33:02.860 people from Argentina, Chile, Costa Rica, parts of Mexico. And then there are Black Hispanics,

00:33:09.960 such as the people from Cuba or Dominican Republic or Puerto Rico or Panama. Now, historically,

00:33:16.760 America has classified half of the Hispanic population as legally white. And you might 0.99

00:33:23.780 have actually even seen on government forums like a separate box that says Hispanic non-white.

00:33:29.380 And that distinction exists because non-black Hispanics have traditionally been considered

00:33:35.860 white. In fact, the landmark California Supreme Court case in 1948, Perez versus Sharp, there was

00:33:43.260 an American woman of Hispanic descent, and she was legally considered white under California law.

00:33:50.360 And as a result, her attempt to marry a black man was blocked by the courts because of the state's 0.99

00:33:57.340 anti-miscegenation laws. They forbid whites from marrying any non-whites. And so we have to 0.97

00:34:05.460 understand just the historical position about this. It's funny. I remember actually introducing

00:34:10.360 my wife to my grandmother. She was born in 1933. And she asked Veronica, where is your family

00:34:19.760 from? She is more of an olive skin. Where is your family from? And my grandma, after she told her,

00:34:26.500 my grandma replied, oh, so you're white. And I remember that kind of shocking me 15 or 16 years

00:34:31.560 ago because I don't think I had these categories to think in at this particular time. And so,

00:34:36.940 yeah, my wife's skin is certainly more olive than mine, but she is very much of European descent.

00:34:44.340 Now, these general principles are what I like to see for America, all right? But all, I also want

00:34:56.260 to see them for all Christian nations. I want to see a beautiful mosaic of distinct Christian

00:35:02.280 nations. I've said it all the time, right? I want a Christian Nigeria that's Nigerian. I want a

00:35:08.460 Christian Russia that's Russian. I want a Christian Germany that's German. I want a Christian Korea 0.99

00:35:13.020 that's Korean. I don't want a mosaic of multicultural nations, but a world of distinct

00:35:19.760 sovereign Christian nations, each with its own people, language, culture, borders, all bowing

00:35:26.240 to King Jesus. But this leads me to really my last section of this episode, which is

00:35:32.620 how do we work toward Christian nationalism? And there are two approaches that are commonly

00:35:39.500 cited, and I want to talk about those. The first is called bottom-up grassroots approach.

00:35:45.240 The second is really the top-down government approach. The bottom-up approach is simply

00:35:52.580 faithful, local, multigenerational Christianity. It looks like planting strong churches, starting

00:35:59.000 Christian schools, launching Christian publishing houses, raising up godly leaders, and most

00:36:03.980 importantly, I would say, is producing healthy Christian families that produce even more

00:36:09.300 healthy Christian families. And the kind of families that carry Christ boldly into the

00:36:17.400 public square and allow their faith to really shape every area of their life, how they spend

00:36:20.840 their money and what they invest in and how they educate their kids and how they engage with their

00:36:26.020 communities. And over decades, this should result in the gradual Christianization of local towns 0.98

00:36:33.040 and regions. And this is precisely the approach that Doug Wilson has taken up in Moscow, Idaho

00:36:37.940 for probably about 50 years now. And it's driven by his optimistic eschatology, post-millennialism,

00:36:45.460 which I'll discuss in the next season. And really a firm belief that the, in the power of the Great

00:36:52.180 Commission, you know, that, that Christ is going to save the world through the means of the church

00:36:56.780 by the preaching of the gospel and the Great Commission will be fulfilled. And Doug and his

00:37:02.540 church have, have certainly worked out to build a distinctly Christian culture in that city. I've

00:37:07.800 been there many times and I agree with the vision. I think it's good. The fruit has been pretty

00:37:13.380 remarkable, not just in Moscow, but through the kind of global influence of Doug's books and

00:37:17.940 content and resources that have come out of their community. Now, the top-down approach involves

00:37:23.820 getting faithful Christians into real positions of political power, so the executive legislative

00:37:30.980 and judicial branches at the local, state, and federal levels. And this approach really recognizes

00:37:36.780 the massive velocity of change that can come from institutional authority. So let me give you an

00:37:43.700 example. Some might disagree with Pete Hegseth on certain foreign policy issues, but he has done

00:37:49.320 more to Christianize the United States military in one year than many grassroots efforts have

00:37:55.160 accomplished in 25 years. And the biblical argument for this model, this top-down model,

00:38:01.240 is clear because the kings of Israel shaped the spiritual and moral direction of the entire nation.

00:38:06.780 So under a godly king like Josiah, the nation experienced revival and reformation. But under

00:38:11.400 the wicked kings, the nation fell into idolatry and judgment. So there is real wisdom, not only

00:38:18.760 in a top-down approach to Christian nationalism, but really even in just the strategic value of a

00:38:24.120 strong godly leadership at the highest level in a nation. So my opinion is that you need both

00:38:30.340 approaches working together, okay? This is the only realistic path forward, in my opinion. And

00:38:37.180 strangely, it seems that like every other religion understands this except the modern Christians. 0.99

00:38:42.980 I mean, Muslims are planting mosques and deliberately placing their people into positions 0.98

00:38:46.380 of political power. Hindus are doing the same. Even secular liberals operate with this kind of 0.94

00:38:51.640 dual strategy. Christians need to figure out how to do this. And we need faithful churches 0.98

00:38:57.400 with strong pastors and multi-generational communities working to transform our towns

00:39:03.100 and our cities, just as Muslims have done in places like Dearborn, Michigan.

00:39:08.500 And at the same time, we need strong, robust, bold, courageous Christian men in positions

00:39:13.840 of political power. Not just like Ted Cruz kind of Christians. I'm talking like robust,

00:39:19.580 reformed, strong, historically rooted, theologically astute Christian men in power.

00:39:24.500 And so bottom up and top down, okay? Local faithfulness and national influence. This is

00:39:30.580 how we win back our country under a Christian nationalist framework. So Christian nationalism 0.86

00:39:39.140 is the solution. And I know some of you guys might object. You might be thinking like,

00:39:43.900 oh, we've tried this before and it failed. Christendom fell apart. To that, I would say

00:39:48.400 a few things. First, just because something good has failed in the past because of human sin,

00:39:54.500 doesn't mean that we abandon the good thing. We don't do this with marriage, right? Israel didn't

00:40:00.680 do this with monarchy. Just because you have bad kings doesn't mean that you eliminate monarchy.

00:40:05.740 No, you pursue faithful Christian expressions of that good thing. Second, many of the old

00:40:13.620 nations of Christendom were perverted not because of Christian nationalism, but because they

00:40:20.240 inflated one truth over the other or one approach over the other. For example, I think Germany 0.89

00:40:26.740 focused too much on the nationalism and not enough on the Christianity, and it produced some of the 0.85

00:40:32.440 sinful errors of Nazi Germany. America is falling because it became Christian in name only and 0.91

00:40:40.300 eventually trading its kind of Christian foundations for secular liberalism. Now, some nations had

00:40:45.980 only top-down Christianity, which I think produces kind of like a widespread nominalism and

00:40:52.720 cultural Christianity that doesn't have any true conversion. Other nations have had vibrant

00:40:58.760 grassroots Christianity, like we're seeing maybe in the underground church in China,

00:41:02.380 but it's never reached the places of power of influence. And so I think we need to consider

00:41:09.420 all of those dimensions. So as I conclude here, true Christian nationalism holds both realities

00:41:16.160 in biblical tension. A distinct Christian people in a distinct Christian nation,

00:41:22.940 planting churches and infiltrating politics, all fully submitted to the lordship of Jesus

00:41:29.120 in every sphere of life. That would be my encouragement for you on Christian nationalism.

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00:42:55.740 Okay, so talking about a few videos today.

00:43:00.240 This first video, it went viral maybe several months ago, but I wanted to bring it up because

00:43:06.740 I think it is a mischaracterization of Christian nationalism that's quite common.

00:43:12.300 And I want to give my rebuttal for it after we watch it together.

00:43:17.580 Christian nationalism is not Christian activism.

00:43:22.260 Christian nationalism is not Christian patriotism. 0.56

00:43:24.940 Christian nationalism is the belief that the United States was founded by Christians for

00:43:33.620 Christians and therefore Christians and their ideas should have preeminence over every part

00:43:40.760 of American society. Yes and amen. If patriotism is loving your country, Christian nationalism

00:43:47.360 is dominating your country. When you read the leading Christian nationalists, they will talk 0.95

00:43:53.320 often about America as a Christian country, but in context, and when you dig beneath the surface,

00:43:59.740 you realize that they have a very particular kind of Christianity in mind. They're not arguing for

00:44:05.940 America as a broadly Christian country in the sense of, I don't know, the Apostles' Creed or

00:44:10.120 the Nicene Creed or something like that. And they don't mean black Christianity. They don't mean

00:44:17.080 Asian Christianity. They don't mean Latino Christianity. They believe America should be 0.85

00:44:22.900 dominated by European Christianity, which is why a lot of scholars argue the proper

00:44:30.580 term ought to be white Christian nationalism. At the heart of Christian nationalism is the belief

00:44:40.300 that certain people should be above others, that those of European and Christian descent

00:44:46.060 have a rightful place dominating the rest of this country because it was made by them and for them. 1.00

00:44:53.980 And in so doing, they diminish the value, they dehumanize

00:44:57.420 their neighbors who don't share those identities. So yes, the United States was founded by

00:45:05.960 Christians and for Christians. Yes, Christianity should have preeminence in every sphere of society

00:45:12.860 because Jesus Christ is Lord over all. He possesses all authority in heaven and on earth.

00:45:18.080 There is, again, no corner of creation where his lordship can legitimately be denied.

00:45:23.900 Now, he claims that if Christianity is loving and if patriotism is loving your country,

00:45:29.560 then Christian nationalism is loving your country by dominating it. I think that was 0.98

00:45:32.920 an emotional response. This is a false framing, and here's why. Christian patriotism is deeply

00:45:39.800 connected to the nationalistic reality. Like the very word patriot comes from the Greek word

00:45:45.040 pater, meaning father. And it carries that kind of blood heritage and familial element of

00:45:51.520 nationhood. Now, Christian nationalism is simply kind of the desire for our nation to be what?

00:45:59.380 Well, explicitly Christian in our laws, culture, identity. And of course, it's people.

00:46:04.740 And America was, for most of its history, 90% white. And we are still living on the coattails 0.87

00:46:11.940 of that inheritance from the European Christians to this day. And so to deny this is kind of a 0.85

00:46:19.100 sneaky form of revisionist history. Now, as for the Apostles' Creed, yes, I actually think that we

00:46:24.680 should affirm what I would call creedal Christianity, not confessional Christianity.

00:46:29.720 So creedal Christianity is the idea that at our local church, we can have confessions,

00:46:35.940 but we can align under Christian nationalism based off the creeds. So the Apostles' Creed,

00:46:40.860 the Nicene Creed, the Athanasius Creed. And what that does is that it allows Roman Catholics,

00:46:47.460 Eastern Orthodoxy, and Protestants all to kind of sit under one Christian nationalism umbrella.

00:46:54.240 But again, we also insist on the nationalistic element. Are we a particular people like Poland

00:47:04.540 or Japan or Mexico or Russia? Or are we forced to accept this new idea of multi-ethnic,

00:47:12.460 multicultural, propositional nationhood that's been going for really only about 40 years?

00:47:17.380 I mean, because even in the 1990s,

00:47:19.440 we still had a heavily ethnocentric white America.

00:47:26.180 So are we just supposed to just,

00:47:27.940 oh, it's too late now.

00:47:28.860 Let's just give it up. 1.00

00:47:30.560 Or should heritage Americans 1.00

00:47:32.820 that have fathers and grandfathers

00:47:36.520 and great-grandfathers

00:47:37.340 and great-great-grandfathers

00:47:38.400 and great-great-great-grandfathers

00:47:39.720 that have paid taxes here

00:47:40.860 and that have built this nation, 0.94

00:47:41.820 that have died in the country,

00:47:43.480 or died in wars for this country,

00:47:44.800 should we not have some sort of heritage statement on reorganizing our nation? I think we should.

00:47:53.360 And so I do want to be clear. We do believe in Black Christian nations, Asian Christian nations,

00:48:00.780 white Christian nations. It doesn't mean we can't have, again, small minorities of those groups

00:48:06.800 here. It simply means that we want an actual country, a distinct people in a distinct place

00:48:12.700 with a distinct Christian identity as our grandfathers have. Not even like our great, 1.00

00:48:16.800 great, great grandfathers, but like our fathers had. For all of human history,

00:48:22.540 nations have been defined this way. Only recently we have been told that America must

00:48:26.800 be something entirely different. And when he asks kind of if we want the world dominated by

00:48:35.820 European Christianity? Well, I would say this. God wanted the world dominated by European 0.98

00:48:42.920 Christianity for a long time. It was the European Christian nations that spread the gospel to the

00:48:47.820 ends of the earth. It obviously went through Greece and then went to Rome and then to Europe

00:48:51.500 and then to America. And European Christian nations are the ones that sent missionaries 0.62

00:48:57.400 and built hospitals and ended practices like widow burning and cannibalism and lifted countless

00:49:02.220 peoples and pagans out of poverty. And so he claims that at the heart of Christian nationalism

00:49:12.220 is the belief that some people are better than others. No, no, that's a distortion. No, we believe

00:49:17.620 that all people are made in the image of God, equally sinful, equally in need of Christ.

00:49:23.120 The issue is not about human value. It's about national ownership. It's about whose nation is

00:49:31.080 this? What is an American? This country was founded, again, for ourselves and our posterity. 0.51

00:49:37.620 What does that mean? That inheritance has been stolen through decades of national theft via

00:49:45.200 mass immigration that have betrayed the clear intent of the founders and the people of this 1.00

00:49:53.000 nation and our entire history. And we simply want our homeland back. So again, I think this guy 1.00

00:49:59.100 paints a mischaracterization of Christian nationalism. And I think a lot of people do

00:50:06.480 the same. So the next video is Frank Turek, who I appreciate. And I think he fits squarely. I don't

00:50:14.260 think that first guy fits anywhere. I don't think he's like in the first group. But Frank Turek,

00:50:20.020 I think, fits in the first group that I talked about earlier, who wants a Christian government,

00:50:24.320 wants a Christian nation, but I think is kind of leaves out the ethnic element of it. So let's

00:50:30.640 watch this video. So I'm writing a paper about Christian nationalism, and I have a question

00:50:35.700 concerning the topic. So could you define Christian nationalism? And then in your opinion,

00:50:41.840 how is it beneficial to society? And what would that look like in America if it were to be carried

00:50:47.560 out? Well, this is the very problem with the term Christian nationalism, because Christian

00:50:51.720 nationalism is often used as a pejorative term. I would ask people

00:50:55.720 who are complaining about Christian nationalism, what do you think it means?

00:50:59.980 Okay? Because if Christian nationalism 0.61

00:51:03.760 means that I want the principles of natural law, which are consistent 0.86

00:51:07.700 with the Bible, put into law, then sign

00:51:11.840 me up, because I think those precepts are right and true. 0.98

00:51:16.680 And it's certainly better than secular

00:51:19.200 internationalism, which is what we had in the last administration

00:51:23.600 with open borders. So we wrote a book

00:51:27.580 back a number of years ago called Legislating Morality.

00:51:31.460 And the point of the book is you always hear people saying you can't legislate morality.

00:51:35.820 In reality, that's all you can legislate. All laws legislate

00:51:39.640 morality. The only question is whose morality? And I don't want to

00:51:43.400 legislate my morality. I don't want to legislate your morality. I want to legislate

00:51:47.500 the morality. The one Thomas Jefferson said was self-evident. If that's what we mean by Christian

00:51:53.220 nationalism, sign me up, okay? There are a very tiny minority of people that want to impose 0.95

00:52:01.380 Old Testament law on the nation. I'm not for that, because that would be imposing a religion on

00:52:09.320 people that isn't necessarily congruent with natural law. But I am for imposing moral principles

00:52:17.080 that are consistent with the Bible.

00:52:20.860 And you have to work through those on a case-by-case basis.

00:52:24.220 But we're not saying that people have to adhere to a certain religious viewpoint

00:52:29.320 in order to say you ought not murder, you ought not steal,

00:52:32.000 you ought not murder your children, you ought not mutilate your children,

00:52:35.460 you ought to have marriage between a man and a woman.

00:52:37.780 We're not imposing a religion when we say that.

00:52:40.980 We're imposing morality, which is what all laws do.

00:52:43.460 Yeah, so this was a good response by Frank Turek. He does a decent job there. And I agree with

00:52:50.540 basically everything he says. However, again, I think he's kind of a prime example who speaks

00:52:55.740 strongly to the Christian side and even the government side, the top-down side, but largely

00:53:01.080 neglects the demographic side. And so in terms of a priority, yes, we must emphasize the Christian

00:53:07.680 moral law and the lordship of Christ over our government. But that vision must also extend

00:53:12.320 to immigration policy, national ethnic identity, and laws that promote real assimilation.

00:53:19.440 And again, we want to understand God's design for nations that we see in the scriptures.

00:53:23.880 And so I think just the demographic discussion is really often left out of the conversation,

00:53:29.620 maybe because it causes too much division and too much, you know, people just immediately

00:53:33.120 think you're a racist even having this conversation. Still, we have to start somewhere.

00:53:38.740 and I appreciate men like Doug Wilson, like Frank Turek, who are having these conversations at any

00:53:45.000 degree around the conversation of Christian nationalism. Now, one thing I want to clarify

00:53:49.000 is that I don't think that Christian nationalism, well, I know, I'm going to say that we are never

00:53:55.040 trying to force Christianity on anybody. No forced conversions. You could be in this nation and not

00:54:03.160 come to Christ, but it would be the national religion, because it's not whether we will have

00:54:10.040 a national religion, but which religion will be our domination of America, religiously speaking.

00:54:18.020 And so I think that I want to remove that straw man argument that we are here to force people to 0.69

00:54:25.780 become Christian. No, I do think that in a Christian society, more people will have the

00:54:31.080 fertile ground to come to Christ because they're hearing the gospel more frequently. They're also

00:54:37.500 benefiting from the safety of a moral nation that has moral laws and righteousness and truth upon its

00:54:45.900 lands. And so can other people practice religion in our nation that is not Christian? I would say 0.74

00:54:56.120 yes, but not publicly in the form of you're not building mosques. You're not building Hindu 1.00

00:55:01.280 temples. You're not having synagogues being built up everywhere. No, no. I don't think that Jesus 1.00

00:55:06.840 wants that. People say, oh, freedom of religion. Jesus isn't for freedom of religion. What is the

00:55:13.340 first commandment? No other gods. What's the second commandment? No idols. So no, Jesus is not for

00:55:22.060 that. I don't think that we have the ability to stop those things. I don't want to turn

00:55:27.680 those things into crimes. I think they're sin, but not every sin is a crime. And so I think that

00:55:35.700 those conversations are certainly need to be clarified and more to be had there.

00:55:42.380 But this is a very important discussion. I hope that this was a helpful episode for you

00:55:49.120 and that you now feel like you understand

00:55:52.380 at least the landscape of Christian nationalism at large.

00:55:57.220 So that's a wrap for this episode.

00:56:00.080 And for season one of American Glory,

00:56:03.540 I do want to suggest to you that you watch a documentary.

00:56:07.540 It's on YouTube and it's called

00:56:10.500 What is Christian Nationalism?

00:56:12.960 I'm actually featured in that documentary

00:56:14.580 along with Joel Webin and Brian Sauve

00:56:17.120 and Eric Conn, or Eric's not in there, I think, but Brian is from the same church. And Joshua

00:56:22.040 Hames and Calvin Robinson, great men doing a good job explaining the fundamentals of Christian

00:56:29.640 nationalism. So you can watch that for free on YouTube. Now, I will be taking a short break

00:56:35.040 between seasons, just a one-week break between the seasons. But season two on American Christianity

00:56:41.880 will begin in two weeks, okay? So the first episode is going to tackle the important question,

00:56:48.220 is America a Christian nation? And what I mean is that I'm going to talk about were we actually

00:56:53.340 founded as a Christian nation? Were the colonies Christian? Was our politics Christian? And I

00:57:01.720 believe they were, but I'm going to examine the history. I'm going to look at the founding

00:57:05.740 documents. I'm going to talk about the common objections of this idea so that we can really

00:57:10.940 show and be settled in our founding identity of who we were from a religious perspective.

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00:57:24.640 YouTube. I'm putting out content basically every day and would love to have your support there.

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00:57:49.080 So for little kids, shorter answers, I call them littles, middles, and olders. The olders you can

00:57:55.120 actually use for adults. It's 100 questions. So basically you can teach the gospel to your

00:58:00.080 children in 100 questions. We take our family through it in about a year. We've done it through

00:58:04.660 our church, done it through our own household. It is a great tool for teaching the gospel and

00:58:10.140 having great conversations with your family. It's a great book. It's hardcover. It's gold

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The NXR Podcast - June 23, 2026

American Glory - An Introduction to Christian Nationalism and How It Will Save America

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