American Glory - An Introduction to Christian Nationalism and How It Will Save America
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In this final episode of Season 1 on American Identity, we tackle one of the most important and misunderstood subjects of our time: Christian nationalism. In this episode, Dale explains what Christian nationalism is and why every serious Christian should embrace it.
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Today on American Glory, we're tackling one of the most important and misunderstood subjects of our
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time, Christian nationalism. I'm going to explain what it is and why every serious Christian should
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embrace it. In my weekly audit, I'll examine a false and partially true representation of
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Christian nationalism from some well-known Christian leaders. All that and more coming up right now.
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Welcome to American Glory. This is season one on American Identity. I'm your host, Dale Partridge.
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This is the eighth and final episode in this season, titled An Introduction to Christian
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Nationalism and How It Will Save America. Now, next season, I'm going to be covering
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American Christianity. I'll cover everything from colonial Christian nationalism and the
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Puritan view of slavery to the birth of dispensationalism and the cults and the effeminacy
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of the modern church, and even the debate between Roman Catholics and Protestants. Now, it's vital
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because you can't understand America without really understanding the Christian history of
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America. Now, if you didn't know, American Glory is both a podcast and a video show, and you can
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listen on the NXR podcast feed or from my personal podcast feed. You can just search Dale Partridge's
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podcast. It'll come up there. You can find me on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever podcasts can
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be downloaded. Now, if you want to watch the video, which I recommend that you do because it
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has helpful slides, graphics, video clips, got a little bit of a documentary feel,
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you can watch it at my YouTube channel at Dale Partridge TV. Now, in our last episode,
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I looked at the baby boomers and what an episode it was. And we looked at the baby boomers and how
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they inherited the strongest, wealthiest, and most morally grounded nation in our history,
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only to squander it and leave their children with decline.
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Now, today, we are looking at the only real solution to the rubble the baby boomers left behind.
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And as we've seen, conservatism has proven to be little more than slow liberalism.
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Trump was sold to us as this national savior, yet Republicans continue to love Israel more than they love America.
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Nothing has worked and nothing will work long-term that falls outside of God's design for nations.
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Now, if you've been following along this season, I've laid out really a systematic case for how America became what it is today.
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And as we will explore more deeply in next season, America was Christian by default.
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We didn't need strong intentionality when 99% of the nation identified as Christian.
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But now that we have been thoroughly deconstructed and infiltrated by foreigners, the only thing powerful enough to cut through the wicked fog of the post-war consensus and all of the mass migrations that will justify the mass deportations that we need and to restore the true identity of a strong, explicit, and unapologetic Christian nation is Christian nationalism.
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now genesis 10 says that god ordered the nations according to their families their languages and
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their lands that is nations are made up of genetically related people who speak one language
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and live in one place the purpose of this order is to bring peace however when you disrupt that
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order by flooding a nation with rival people from different ethnic families who speak different
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languages and who worship different gods, you're creating an atmosphere for national conflict,
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eventually collapse. The same is true with the nation's religion. Over the past several decades,
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we have witnessed really the systematic privatization of Christianity. What was once
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the central identity of this nation has been pushed to the margins. Prayer was removed from
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schools. Christian symbols and statues have been torn down. Political opponents have weaponized
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the phrase separation of church and state to silence the faith that built this nation.
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Meanwhile, foreign politicians are sworn into office on Korans, mosques, and Hindu temples are
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rising across our land, and our government bends over backwards to accommodate every religion
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except Christianity. Unfortunately, Christians have been cowardly fools. We believe the lie
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of a neutral state and the myth of secularism. But the truth is simple. All governments are
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religious. All laws are based on some ultimate moral authority. Jesus was clear when he said,
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whoever is not with me is against me. There is no neutrality. So in America, we have both
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nationalistic and religious perversion. The only real questions are which people and religion
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will dominate america will we be a european christian nation or will we be an arab islamic
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nation or an indian hindu nation or something else see what americans need to learn is that
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nationalism by itself is not enough a purely nationalistic nation it might offer some carnal
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peace and order you know more than the globalism and multiculturalism that we have but without
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Christ, it always descends into some degree of tyranny, idolatry, or sinful hatred of other
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people. Now, on the other hand, Christianity without nationalism tends to become Gnostic
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and retreatist. I mean, just this past week, I was arguing on the internet for God's design
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for nations and I had someone, you know, respond to me and they said, oh, but what about the
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passage of scripture? My kingdom is not of this world. Now, what they don't understand is that
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Christ was referring to the source of his power, not the scope of its power. The source is not of
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this world, but the scope certainly is. We know this because after his resurrection, Jesus declared,
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quote, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and disciple all
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the nations, teaching them to observe everything that I have commanded you, end quote. Ephesians
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1 tells us that God the Father has seated Jesus Christ far above every rule and authority and
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power and dominion, and has put all things under his feet. So Jesus is not just Lord of the church,
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he's Lord of all, of everything. So this term, Christian nationalism, desperately needs clarity.
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Now, currently, I see two different camps claiming the title, and I'd like to try and show
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where they align and where they're different. The first camp says they want Christian nationalism,
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but they reject almost everything that actually makes a nation a nation. They want Christ to be
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king, but they don't care if the nation is made up of 30 different ethnicities as long as everyone
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claims the name of Christ. A few weeks ago, the partial report from the PCA, the Interim Committee
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on Christian nationalism made this statement. It said, quote, it is the view of the committee
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that any form of Christian nationalism that elevates ethnic or racial identity to a position
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of theological significance that treats ethnic homogeneity as a positive good to be pursued
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through civil law or that justifies discrimination on the basis of ethnicity or race
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is inconsistent with the PCA's constitutional standards and with scripture, end quote.
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Now, it goes on to say, quote, be alert to views that cross the line from legitimate political
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theology into ethnic partiality. Address them directly and biblically, but pastorally, end quote.
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It actually adds one more point I want to add. It says, quote, we wish to warn the members and
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officers of the Presbyterian Church in America of some expressions of what is called Christian
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nationalism that embrace forms of anti-Semitism, race realism, and kinism under the guise of
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conservative Christian political discourse. Some believe that the Bible teaches a view of nations
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that treats cultural and ethnic pluralism as contrary to biblical teaching. The PCA has
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repeatedly and unequivocally declared its repudiation of these views as incompatible
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with biblical Christianity, and the courts of the church are urged to ensure that no place
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in their ranks be given to them, end quote. Okay, so again, not everything that was said in those
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quotes is wrong, but there is a lot of need for clarity, and there's a lot that I actually just
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you can feel good about feeding to your family. So basically what they're saying is that any
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political position that would desire ethnic cohesion and a clear racial majority is immediately
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denounced as some form of racist or sin, even though all of their adored Presbyterian and
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Puritan ministers from the 1600s to about 1940 all supported ethnic homogeneity as a positive good,
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and even the matters on, say, interracial marriage as something to be outlawed.
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And so I view this generation of Christian leaders as suffering from a severe case of
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what I would call historical amnesia. They have deliberately forgotten their forefathers'
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positions, assuming those convictions were driven either by sin or by some form of ignorance,
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when in reality, they cannot see clearly because they have not been so thoroughly
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indoctrinated what the post-war consensus as this generation has. And so the first group
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cannot call what they believe Christian nationalism. They can't use the term
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nationalism, in my opinion. They want really Christian globalism or Christian multiculturalism.
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And sure, if we had 30 or 40 different ethnicities and they were all Christian,
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it's better than what we have now. I mean, I'll take that over what we got now.
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But the first group also has a little bit more, and I think to their credit,
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they interpret Christian nationalism as kind of a Christian statism, or at least a Christian
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government. They want Christian leaders, Christian laws, and Christian moral frameworks to guide the
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nation, which is great. But again, they are indifferent or even hostile to the ethnic and
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demographic realities of a nation itself. And so you cannot use the term, in my opinion,
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Christian nationalism, without embracing both terms, Christian and nationalism, especially
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how they were historically understood. So the second camp understands both words. And as I
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already mentioned, the Bible and all of history define a nation as the largest manifestation of
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a family, a people that's really bound by what? By blood, language, culture, history, religion.
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Okay. This is exactly the biblical definition of a nation. Just for example, the nation of Israel
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was a large extended family. Okay. The 12 sons of Jacob bound together by what? Blood, language,
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culture, history, religion. And this is not unique to Israel. Scripture presents like every nation.
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It's the standard implied understanding for all nations in the Bible.
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So the second group simply desires both, right?
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The religious reality of Christianity and the material reality of nationalism.
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And of course, we want all of them to be rightly ordered under the lordship of Jesus Christ and the scriptures, right?
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Now, two important questions naturally come to mind when we have this conversation around Christian nationalism.
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First is, how can I speak so strongly about distinctions while Peter and Paul repeatedly
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say there is no distinctions? Second, how do these national and ethnic distinctions
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actually work themselves out in the local church? So let me just start answering the
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first question, then we'll move to the second one. So yes, Paul and Peter often emphasize that
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there is no distinction among people, right? Paul famously writes in Galatians 3.28,
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there is neither Jew nor Greek. There is neither slave nor free. There is no male and female,
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for you are all one in Christ Jesus. He repeats this idea in Colossians 3.11, Romans 3.22,
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Romans 10.12, and Peter says something similar in Acts 11.12 and Acts 15.8-9.
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This was written in a world completely opposite of ours, okay?
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A world where visual, national, linguistic, religious, racial, cultural, sexual distinctions
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So Paul and Peter needed to stress that when it comes to salvation and entrance into the
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There is no difference in how a person is redeemed.
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No law-keeping, no circumcision, no special rituals, no bloodline, only faith in Christ.
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Now, to us, with our modern egalitarian mindset that views really all distinctions as racist
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or evil, and where every difference has been neutralized or homogenized and made androgynous,
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We have been told to ignore all distinctions to such an extent that we have ignored natural
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order. We've violated God's design for nations, and we've grossly overextended the doctrine of
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unity in Christ to erase the very distinctions God himself ordained in creation. And so the result
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is not harmony, but chaos. And so Christianity does not eliminate the distinctions God has placed
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in creation. It redeems them. And so in Christ, a Jew is still a Jew. A Greek is still a Greek.
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A master is still a master. A slave remains a slave. A man remains a man. A woman remains a
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woman. These are earthly realities, biological, racial, ethnic, sexual, national, and they're
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not erased by the gospel. Again, we are not Gnostics who pretend the physical world and
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its God-given distinctions no longer matter after a person is saved. No, Christianity brings peace
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and order to our distinctions. Men are called to lead their homes with sacrificial love rather than
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tyranny. Christian nations are called to live peacefully with other Christian nations rather
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than conquering them. Borders, biology, roles, stations, they all remain, but they are no longer
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marked by hatred and violence. And as we know, Christians live with dual citizenship. We are
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citizens of heaven. We are also citizens of a particular nation here on earth. We are redeemed
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souls, and we are also physical men and women. We give to the church. We also render unto Caesar
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what is Caesar's. See, the gospel does not dissolve these realities. It sanctifies them.
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So in Christ, we do not pretend our distinctions have vanished.
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We learn to honor them as a part of God's good creation while refusing to let them become
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In fact, Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 7, he says, quote,
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Only let a person lead the life that the Lord has assigned to him and to which God has called him.
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Was anyone at the time of his call already circumcised?
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let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was anyone at the time of his
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call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision. Each one should remain in the condition in which
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he was called. Were you a bondservant when called? Do not be concerned about it, but if you can gain
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your freedom, avail yourself the opportunity. For he who was called in the Lord as a bondservant
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is a free man in the Lord. Likewise, he who was free when called is a bondservant to Christ.
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you were bought with a price. Do not become bond servants of men. So brothers, in whatever
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condition each was called, there let him remain with God. End quote. In short, we have taken
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a spiritual truth meant for the church and wrongly applied it to every sphere of life,
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the state, the family, et cetera. And we are now reaping the bitter consequences of confusion.
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And this leads us to really the second question. How do these national and ethnic distinctions
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work themselves out in the local church? So first, we need to understand the doctrine of
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spheres of sovereignty. God has ordered the world into distinct spheres, the family, the church,
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the state. And what is true in one sphere does not automatically carry over into the other spheres.
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So the stations and roles in the family don't overflow into the state.
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So you might lead at home, but be subordinate at work.
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You may be subordinate at the church, but you may also be the governor of the state.
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And so when Paul and Peter speak of no distinctions,
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I do believe this applies to a greater degree in the local church,
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that there should be less distinctions in the church.
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and anyone can become, for example, a member of our church. Now, if our nation, if America were
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a true nation and not a multi-ethnic, multicultural experiment, it would be pretty rare to have
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someone join our church who was very different from us. But there still may be the occasional
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foreigner or stranger in our land. And in the local church, these people must be welcomed.
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However, this does not erase their biological or national distinctions, nor does it erase the
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natural lack of cohesion that they would have in the physical world. A foreigner may not feel
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completely at home in our church in America, and that is natural because it's the cost of being a
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foreigner. Yet we're still called to love and accept them in Christ at the local church. I think
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about Jonathan Edwards. You know, he owns slaves and sought to be a benevolent master as scripture
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instructed. He even treated his slaves as spiritual equals in the church. They were baptized. They
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were actual members alongside him in the church. On Sunday, they were one in Christ, okay? This
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spiritual unity did not erase their earthly distinctions or change the relationship outside
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of the church. Now, again, I'm not saying, you know, I'm not advocating for slavery as some sort
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of ideal. I'm simply showing that Christianity does eliminate distinctions pertaining to
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membership in the church. It does this while at the same time sanctifying, but not erasing
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the distinctions that remain in the state. Okay. So I believe most, you know, maybe the most
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natural and peaceful way to live is among those who are most like us. I think that's a naturally
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true fact. But again, if a brother or a sister from a different nation lawfully immigrate and
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enters our local church, we have to remember that in Christ, those real distinctions that often make
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unity difficult in the flesh can be overcome spiritually in the church. And so I do want to
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add, you know, that I believe it would be unwise to have a foreigner rule in the local church.
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And here's why. Consider the apostles themselves, right? So Peter was a Jew, and he was primarily
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sent as the apostle to the Jews. See that in Galatians 2, 7 through 8. He ministered among
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his own people, right? And the early church in Jerusalem was led by Jewish apostles and elders
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who understood the Jewish people, the Jewish culture, the Jewish context. Peter did not
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primarily lead Gentile churches. On the other hand, Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles,
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but he was a man uniquely equipped because he held Roman citizenship. But even when he planted
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churches, he consistently appointed local elders in each city and region. In Acts 14.23, it says
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that Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in every church. In Titus 1.5, Paul instructs them
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in Titus saying, this is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order
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and appoint elders in every town as I directed you, end quote. So the clear implied principle
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is that leadership in the local church should come from qualified men within the people and
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place that they are serving, not foreigners who do not share the same blood, culture, language,
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lived experience as the native congregation and local population. And this principle of local
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native leadership applies not only to the church, but I think it would also apply
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to God's broader design for nations. I don't think that foreigners should be leading anywhere
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in our country. The only time that a non-native should lead natives is in a legitimate church
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planting missionary context or in rare cases when, say, a morally and culturally superior
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Christian people rightly rule over a pagan or less civilized people. I think the prime examples
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would be what we see in historic Christian colonialism. But even then, there must be
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really another important qualification. If someone has so fully assimilated to the local culture
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that the congregation and any visitors that might come in would not be stumbled by this person
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leading, then it might be acceptable. You know, for example, let's just say like a fifth generation
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Hispanic man in Arizona might not stumble the American Southwest population. The American
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Southwest population is very comfortable with the Hispanic community, and that might work there.
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But let's just say a white man leading a church in Hawaii to the native Hawaiian people might
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struggle to connect with them. A German or Palestinian would likely not be the best choice
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to lead a church full of Jews, Messianic Jews, in Israel. A Hutu would probably not be the best
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leader in the Tutsi church in Rwanda. Okay, there's clash there. And so the qualifications
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for eldership in 1 Timothy and Titus apply to the office itself. They are not necessarily
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universal in the application. So even if something is lawful, we must always consider the
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local context and ask whether it will edify the church or cause people from the church to stumble.
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As 1 Corinthians 10 teaches us, we should limit our liberties, our freedoms, so as not to offend
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the weak. And so what would Christian nationalism essentially look like in the church? I think it's
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just wisdom. I think we need to take time. And I wish that I could write out a universal statement
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that would apply everywhere. I don't think I can. I think there are some universal truths,
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and I think that there is a lot of need for application that requires unique principles
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and taking into consideration the context of your particular circumstance.
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And so people have asked me, what would I do if I was king for the day? What would Christian
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nationalism look like? I think sometimes if I can paint that picture, it might help you understand
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what I mean by Christian nationalism. And if I was king of America for a day or a year,
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nationally, I think I would want it to look something like America did probably in 1790.
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but let's just say that we go for before 1965, okay? A nation that was still approximately 90%
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white, European. In other words, we had the nationalism part all the way up until very
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recent times. And what we lacked was the constitutionally Christian part. So again,
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if I was king, I would first clarify God's design for nations and establish the rightful
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relationship between Christ and the state. And then I would add explicitly Christian language
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to the Constitution, making it the bedrock for all of our laws and all of our culture.
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I would do a lot of things like repeal the 19th Amendment, outlaw public practice of
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any false religions, outlaw any forms of sexual degeneracy, all that. Now, I would also reject the
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multicultural experiment outright. I would immediately restrict all forms of non-European
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immigration and actively pursue the peaceful deportation and re-migration of those people
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who have proven culturally and religiously incompatible with historic American identity.
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And I would prioritize those people who show what I would call like profound differences in average
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civilizational outcomes. Things like crime rates, IQ, family stability, religious worldviews.
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Those people would be encouraged and incentivized to return to their own nations where they can live
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according to their own culture and values. And again, I wouldn't do this out of cruelty,
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but out of a desire for national peace. Again, we talked about this before. Order brings peace.
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You see, pluralism and unassimilated multiculturalism always leads to rising
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national conflict. And something we are witnessing even right now is increased conflict. So mass
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deportations and remigration are not acts of hatred, but really necessary measures to prevent
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future violence and civil strife here in America. Next, I would reaffirm that nationalism
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means preserving a distinct people. Then I'd reconnect the fifth commandment, honoring your
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father and mother to marriage and lineage because our parents are the closest relatives of our race
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and ethnicity. Americans should, I would say Americans should prioritize spouses who share
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both Christ and their American ethnicity, or ideally their ethnic, historic, European
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compatibility. I wouldn't outlaw individual interracial marriages, but I recognize that
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at scale, interracial marriage starts to erode the unique ethnic identity of a nation's people.
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So ultimately, I would govern in the spirit of the American founders, okay, who understood
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these realities instinctively. They welcomed limited immigration, but overwhelmingly favored
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European stock. Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, even many Christian pastors and theologians
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repeatedly warned that flooding the Republic with foreign peoples, especially through large-scale
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third world immigration or different races, would undermine and eventually destroy national
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ethnic identity. And I would probably argue that my position on marriage is actually moderate.
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Okay. I think you might be listening to this and thinking, oh my goodness. But I think my
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position is actually moderate compared to the founders. They outlawed interracial marriages
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between whites and blacks, between whites and Native Americans, whites and most Asians.
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And those remain the law on the books in most states until the 1960s. And so I don't think
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this should shock any of us either, right? The preamble of the constitution says that the United
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States was designed for ourselves and our posterity. Okay. The question is who is ourselves
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and our posterity? Well, we know the answer to that. It was primarily English. We were after all
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new England. Okay. But as we saw in a 1790 and the naturalization act at the first congressional
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gathering, the founders extended citizenship to all white people of good character, aka Europeans.
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Now, I find it interesting how many Christian leaders, pastors, can't grasp this, okay, both
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on just like a textual level and a moral level, okay? Pastors are so committed to proper hermeneutics
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when interpreting scripture. You know, they're constantly emphasizing, oh, context and authorial
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intent and what was the original meaning. But they refused to apply that same intellectual rigor
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when interpreting the U.S. Constitution. Now, as a nationalist, I still don't believe
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we need to close the borders entirely forever and reject all immigration. I think scripture
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allows for measured immigration with assimilation, but all that immigration must be, one, from
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ethnically compatible nations. Two, carefully controlled to prevent demographic replacement.
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Three, would ban the importation of pagan religions. And four, would prevent the creation
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of parallel societies, hyphenated Americanism, et cetera. So this is, I think, what it would look
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like if I was king of the day. There's a bunch of other things that I would add, but that's my
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short snippet. Now, it's funny, this week I had someone ask me why I hold such strong positions
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on race and immigration when I'm married to a non-white woman. Now, first, my wife's ancestry
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is majority European. She's 50% Italian with significant Spanish heritage and the rest from
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Central America, Costa Rica era. So you might not know this, but Italians, Spanish, and most
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Costa Ricans identify as white. America itself, right, is named after an Italian explorer,
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Amerigo Espucci. And so many people don't realize that Hispanic, first, one, it's not a race.
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It's not even an ethnicity. It's like a collection of ethnicities. There are white Hispanics, like
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people from Argentina, Chile, Costa Rica, parts of Mexico. And then there are Black Hispanics,
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such as the people from Cuba or Dominican Republic or Puerto Rico or Panama. Now, historically,
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America has classified half of the Hispanic population as legally white. And you might
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have actually even seen on government forums like a separate box that says Hispanic non-white.
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And that distinction exists because non-black Hispanics have traditionally been considered
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white. In fact, the landmark California Supreme Court case in 1948, Perez versus Sharp, there was
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an American woman of Hispanic descent, and she was legally considered white under California law.
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And as a result, her attempt to marry a black man was blocked by the courts because of the state's
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anti-miscegenation laws. They forbid whites from marrying any non-whites. And so we have to
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understand just the historical position about this. It's funny. I remember actually introducing
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my wife to my grandmother. She was born in 1933. And she asked Veronica, where is your family
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from? She is more of an olive skin. Where is your family from? And my grandma, after she told her,
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my grandma replied, oh, so you're white. And I remember that kind of shocking me 15 or 16 years
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ago because I don't think I had these categories to think in at this particular time. And so,
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yeah, my wife's skin is certainly more olive than mine, but she is very much of European descent.
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Now, these general principles are what I like to see for America, all right? But all, I also want
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to see them for all Christian nations. I want to see a beautiful mosaic of distinct Christian
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nations. I've said it all the time, right? I want a Christian Nigeria that's Nigerian. I want a
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Christian Russia that's Russian. I want a Christian Germany that's German. I want a Christian Korea
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that's Korean. I don't want a mosaic of multicultural nations, but a world of distinct
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sovereign Christian nations, each with its own people, language, culture, borders, all bowing
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to King Jesus. But this leads me to really my last section of this episode, which is
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how do we work toward Christian nationalism? And there are two approaches that are commonly
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cited, and I want to talk about those. The first is called bottom-up grassroots approach.
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The second is really the top-down government approach. The bottom-up approach is simply
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faithful, local, multigenerational Christianity. It looks like planting strong churches, starting
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Christian schools, launching Christian publishing houses, raising up godly leaders, and most
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importantly, I would say, is producing healthy Christian families that produce even more
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healthy Christian families. And the kind of families that carry Christ boldly into the
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public square and allow their faith to really shape every area of their life, how they spend
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their money and what they invest in and how they educate their kids and how they engage with their
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communities. And over decades, this should result in the gradual Christianization of local towns
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and regions. And this is precisely the approach that Doug Wilson has taken up in Moscow, Idaho
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for probably about 50 years now. And it's driven by his optimistic eschatology, post-millennialism,
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which I'll discuss in the next season. And really a firm belief that the, in the power of the Great
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Commission, you know, that, that Christ is going to save the world through the means of the church
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by the preaching of the gospel and the Great Commission will be fulfilled. And Doug and his
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church have, have certainly worked out to build a distinctly Christian culture in that city. I've
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been there many times and I agree with the vision. I think it's good. The fruit has been pretty
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remarkable, not just in Moscow, but through the kind of global influence of Doug's books and
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content and resources that have come out of their community. Now, the top-down approach involves
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getting faithful Christians into real positions of political power, so the executive legislative
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and judicial branches at the local, state, and federal levels. And this approach really recognizes
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the massive velocity of change that can come from institutional authority. So let me give you an
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example. Some might disagree with Pete Hegseth on certain foreign policy issues, but he has done
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more to Christianize the United States military in one year than many grassroots efforts have
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accomplished in 25 years. And the biblical argument for this model, this top-down model,
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is clear because the kings of Israel shaped the spiritual and moral direction of the entire nation.
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So under a godly king like Josiah, the nation experienced revival and reformation. But under
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the wicked kings, the nation fell into idolatry and judgment. So there is real wisdom, not only
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in a top-down approach to Christian nationalism, but really even in just the strategic value of a
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strong godly leadership at the highest level in a nation. So my opinion is that you need both
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approaches working together, okay? This is the only realistic path forward, in my opinion. And
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strangely, it seems that like every other religion understands this except the modern Christians.
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I mean, Muslims are planting mosques and deliberately placing their people into positions
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of political power. Hindus are doing the same. Even secular liberals operate with this kind of
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dual strategy. Christians need to figure out how to do this. And we need faithful churches
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with strong pastors and multi-generational communities working to transform our towns
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and our cities, just as Muslims have done in places like Dearborn, Michigan.
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And at the same time, we need strong, robust, bold, courageous Christian men in positions
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of political power. Not just like Ted Cruz kind of Christians. I'm talking like robust,
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reformed, strong, historically rooted, theologically astute Christian men in power.
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And so bottom up and top down, okay? Local faithfulness and national influence. This is
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how we win back our country under a Christian nationalist framework. So Christian nationalism
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is the solution. And I know some of you guys might object. You might be thinking like,
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oh, we've tried this before and it failed. Christendom fell apart. To that, I would say
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a few things. First, just because something good has failed in the past because of human sin,
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doesn't mean that we abandon the good thing. We don't do this with marriage, right? Israel didn't
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do this with monarchy. Just because you have bad kings doesn't mean that you eliminate monarchy.
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No, you pursue faithful Christian expressions of that good thing. Second, many of the old
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nations of Christendom were perverted not because of Christian nationalism, but because they
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inflated one truth over the other or one approach over the other. For example, I think Germany
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focused too much on the nationalism and not enough on the Christianity, and it produced some of the
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sinful errors of Nazi Germany. America is falling because it became Christian in name only and
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eventually trading its kind of Christian foundations for secular liberalism. Now, some nations had
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only top-down Christianity, which I think produces kind of like a widespread nominalism and
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cultural Christianity that doesn't have any true conversion. Other nations have had vibrant
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grassroots Christianity, like we're seeing maybe in the underground church in China,
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but it's never reached the places of power of influence. And so I think we need to consider
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all of those dimensions. So as I conclude here, true Christian nationalism holds both realities
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in biblical tension. A distinct Christian people in a distinct Christian nation,
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planting churches and infiltrating politics, all fully submitted to the lordship of Jesus
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in every sphere of life. That would be my encouragement for you on Christian nationalism.
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This first video, it went viral maybe several months ago, but I wanted to bring it up because
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I think it is a mischaracterization of Christian nationalism that's quite common.
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And I want to give my rebuttal for it after we watch it together.
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Christian nationalism is not Christian activism.
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Christian nationalism is not Christian patriotism.
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Christian nationalism is the belief that the United States was founded by Christians for
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Christians and therefore Christians and their ideas should have preeminence over every part
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of American society. Yes and amen. If patriotism is loving your country, Christian nationalism
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is dominating your country. When you read the leading Christian nationalists, they will talk
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often about America as a Christian country, but in context, and when you dig beneath the surface,
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you realize that they have a very particular kind of Christianity in mind. They're not arguing for
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America as a broadly Christian country in the sense of, I don't know, the Apostles' Creed or
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the Nicene Creed or something like that. And they don't mean black Christianity. They don't mean
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Asian Christianity. They don't mean Latino Christianity. They believe America should be
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dominated by European Christianity, which is why a lot of scholars argue the proper
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term ought to be white Christian nationalism. At the heart of Christian nationalism is the belief
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that certain people should be above others, that those of European and Christian descent
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have a rightful place dominating the rest of this country because it was made by them and for them.
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And in so doing, they diminish the value, they dehumanize
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their neighbors who don't share those identities. So yes, the United States was founded by
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Christians and for Christians. Yes, Christianity should have preeminence in every sphere of society
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because Jesus Christ is Lord over all. He possesses all authority in heaven and on earth.
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There is, again, no corner of creation where his lordship can legitimately be denied.
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Now, he claims that if Christianity is loving and if patriotism is loving your country,
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then Christian nationalism is loving your country by dominating it. I think that was
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an emotional response. This is a false framing, and here's why. Christian patriotism is deeply
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connected to the nationalistic reality. Like the very word patriot comes from the Greek word
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pater, meaning father. And it carries that kind of blood heritage and familial element of
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nationhood. Now, Christian nationalism is simply kind of the desire for our nation to be what?
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Well, explicitly Christian in our laws, culture, identity. And of course, it's people.
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And America was, for most of its history, 90% white. And we are still living on the coattails
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of that inheritance from the European Christians to this day. And so to deny this is kind of a
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sneaky form of revisionist history. Now, as for the Apostles' Creed, yes, I actually think that we
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should affirm what I would call creedal Christianity, not confessional Christianity.
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So creedal Christianity is the idea that at our local church, we can have confessions,
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but we can align under Christian nationalism based off the creeds. So the Apostles' Creed,
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the Nicene Creed, the Athanasius Creed. And what that does is that it allows Roman Catholics,
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Eastern Orthodoxy, and Protestants all to kind of sit under one Christian nationalism umbrella.
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But again, we also insist on the nationalistic element. Are we a particular people like Poland
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or Japan or Mexico or Russia? Or are we forced to accept this new idea of multi-ethnic,
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multicultural, propositional nationhood that's been going for really only about 40 years?
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we still had a heavily ethnocentric white America.
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should we not have some sort of heritage statement on reorganizing our nation? I think we should.
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And so I do want to be clear. We do believe in Black Christian nations, Asian Christian nations,
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white Christian nations. It doesn't mean we can't have, again, small minorities of those groups
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here. It simply means that we want an actual country, a distinct people in a distinct place
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with a distinct Christian identity as our grandfathers have. Not even like our great,
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great, great grandfathers, but like our fathers had. For all of human history,
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nations have been defined this way. Only recently we have been told that America must
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be something entirely different. And when he asks kind of if we want the world dominated by
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European Christianity? Well, I would say this. God wanted the world dominated by European
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Christianity for a long time. It was the European Christian nations that spread the gospel to the
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ends of the earth. It obviously went through Greece and then went to Rome and then to Europe
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and then to America. And European Christian nations are the ones that sent missionaries
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and built hospitals and ended practices like widow burning and cannibalism and lifted countless
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peoples and pagans out of poverty. And so he claims that at the heart of Christian nationalism
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is the belief that some people are better than others. No, no, that's a distortion. No, we believe
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that all people are made in the image of God, equally sinful, equally in need of Christ.
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The issue is not about human value. It's about national ownership. It's about whose nation is
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this? What is an American? This country was founded, again, for ourselves and our posterity.
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What does that mean? That inheritance has been stolen through decades of national theft via
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mass immigration that have betrayed the clear intent of the founders and the people of this
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nation and our entire history. And we simply want our homeland back. So again, I think this guy
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paints a mischaracterization of Christian nationalism. And I think a lot of people do
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the same. So the next video is Frank Turek, who I appreciate. And I think he fits squarely. I don't
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think that first guy fits anywhere. I don't think he's like in the first group. But Frank Turek,
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I think, fits in the first group that I talked about earlier, who wants a Christian government,
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wants a Christian nation, but I think is kind of leaves out the ethnic element of it. So let's
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watch this video. So I'm writing a paper about Christian nationalism, and I have a question
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concerning the topic. So could you define Christian nationalism? And then in your opinion,
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how is it beneficial to society? And what would that look like in America if it were to be carried
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out? Well, this is the very problem with the term Christian nationalism, because Christian
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nationalism is often used as a pejorative term. I would ask people
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who are complaining about Christian nationalism, what do you think it means?
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means that I want the principles of natural law, which are consistent
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me up, because I think those precepts are right and true.
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internationalism, which is what we had in the last administration
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back a number of years ago called Legislating Morality.
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And the point of the book is you always hear people saying you can't legislate morality.
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In reality, that's all you can legislate. All laws legislate
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morality. The only question is whose morality? And I don't want to
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legislate my morality. I don't want to legislate your morality. I want to legislate
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the morality. The one Thomas Jefferson said was self-evident. If that's what we mean by Christian
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nationalism, sign me up, okay? There are a very tiny minority of people that want to impose
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Old Testament law on the nation. I'm not for that, because that would be imposing a religion on
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people that isn't necessarily congruent with natural law. But I am for imposing moral principles
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And you have to work through those on a case-by-case basis.
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But we're not saying that people have to adhere to a certain religious viewpoint
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in order to say you ought not murder, you ought not steal,
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you ought not murder your children, you ought not mutilate your children,
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you ought to have marriage between a man and a woman.
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We're not imposing a religion when we say that.
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We're imposing morality, which is what all laws do.
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Yeah, so this was a good response by Frank Turek. He does a decent job there. And I agree with
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basically everything he says. However, again, I think he's kind of a prime example who speaks
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strongly to the Christian side and even the government side, the top-down side, but largely
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neglects the demographic side. And so in terms of a priority, yes, we must emphasize the Christian
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moral law and the lordship of Christ over our government. But that vision must also extend
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to immigration policy, national ethnic identity, and laws that promote real assimilation.
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And again, we want to understand God's design for nations that we see in the scriptures.
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And so I think just the demographic discussion is really often left out of the conversation,
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maybe because it causes too much division and too much, you know, people just immediately
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think you're a racist even having this conversation. Still, we have to start somewhere.
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and I appreciate men like Doug Wilson, like Frank Turek, who are having these conversations at any
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degree around the conversation of Christian nationalism. Now, one thing I want to clarify
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is that I don't think that Christian nationalism, well, I know, I'm going to say that we are never
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trying to force Christianity on anybody. No forced conversions. You could be in this nation and not
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come to Christ, but it would be the national religion, because it's not whether we will have
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a national religion, but which religion will be our domination of America, religiously speaking.
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And so I think that I want to remove that straw man argument that we are here to force people to
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become Christian. No, I do think that in a Christian society, more people will have the
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fertile ground to come to Christ because they're hearing the gospel more frequently. They're also
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benefiting from the safety of a moral nation that has moral laws and righteousness and truth upon its
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lands. And so can other people practice religion in our nation that is not Christian? I would say
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yes, but not publicly in the form of you're not building mosques. You're not building Hindu
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temples. You're not having synagogues being built up everywhere. No, no. I don't think that Jesus
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wants that. People say, oh, freedom of religion. Jesus isn't for freedom of religion. What is the
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first commandment? No other gods. What's the second commandment? No idols. So no, Jesus is not for
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that. I don't think that we have the ability to stop those things. I don't want to turn
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those things into crimes. I think they're sin, but not every sin is a crime. And so I think that
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those conversations are certainly need to be clarified and more to be had there.
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But this is a very important discussion. I hope that this was a helpful episode for you
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at least the landscape of Christian nationalism at large.
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I do want to suggest to you that you watch a documentary.
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and Eric Conn, or Eric's not in there, I think, but Brian is from the same church. And Joshua
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Hames and Calvin Robinson, great men doing a good job explaining the fundamentals of Christian
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nationalism. So you can watch that for free on YouTube. Now, I will be taking a short break
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between seasons, just a one-week break between the seasons. But season two on American Christianity
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will begin in two weeks, okay? So the first episode is going to tackle the important question,
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is America a Christian nation? And what I mean is that I'm going to talk about were we actually
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founded as a Christian nation? Were the colonies Christian? Was our politics Christian? And I
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believe they were, but I'm going to examine the history. I'm going to look at the founding
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documents. I'm going to talk about the common objections of this idea so that we can really
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show and be settled in our founding identity of who we were from a religious perspective.
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Now, if you don't already, please consider following me. Follow me on X, on Instagram,
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YouTube. I'm putting out content basically every day and would love to have your support there.
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My featured book for this episode is Simple Theology. It's the catechism that I wrote
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based off of the Heidelberg Catechism, and you can use it whether you're, you know,
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Reformed Baptist, Presbyterian. It is a gospel catechism for kids. It has three answer levels.
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So for little kids, shorter answers, I call them littles, middles, and olders. The olders you can
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actually use for adults. It's 100 questions. So basically you can teach the gospel to your
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children in 100 questions. We take our family through it in about a year. We've done it through
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our church, done it through our own household. It is a great tool for teaching the gospel and
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having great conversations with your family. It's a great book. It's hardcover. It's gold
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foil cover. It's got a ribbon marker in it. It's just a quality piece. And so we'd love to have
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you pick up a copy of that. You can buy it on Amazon. You can also buy it at relearn.org.
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I'd love for you to support our work and what we're doing there. All right. So my name is Dale
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Partridge, and thank you for watching or listening to American Glory, and I'll see you next season.
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