BONUS EPISODE - Are Christian Parents In California At Risk Of Losing Their Children?
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In this episode, Pastor Joel Webin discusses the words of a California state senator regarding parents of minors who are transitioning in terms of their gender identity. He uses a clip from his book, "Fight by Flight," to illustrate the point.
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All right, welcome back to another Monday Live. I am your host, Pastor Joel Webin with Right
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Response Ministries. And in this particular episode, what I want to cover is the words
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that were recently issued at a hearing on a particular bill dealing with parents of
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minors who are transitioning in terms of their gender. This is a state senator in the state of
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California, and he does what you would not necessarily expect a state senator to do. He
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actually urges parents to leave the state. He says that he's been a state senator for 11 years
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in California, and his entire lifetime, born and raised in the state of California, he has always
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urged people to stay and fight the good fight, but that he himself, when he finishes his term,
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he plans to leave, and he's encouraging parents to do the same. He said that it's not worth
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staying and fighting any longer, but that the best thing that you can do for the sake of the
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protection of your children is that if you are a parent with Christian orthodoxy, with conservative,
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traditional values, then the best thing that you can do for your children is leave. So that's a
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clip that I'm going to be playing and dissecting and really just drawing out some of the implications.
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I'm also in this video going to plug shamelessly some of my own content because it deals with this
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particular topic. I've been talking about it for two and a half years now. So I'm going to use a
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little bit of the content from my book, Fight by Flight, Why Leaving Godless Places is Loving
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Godless Places. So I'm going to do all that here in just a couple minutes. But first, we have a
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brief announcement and a word from our first sponsor of the day. So the announcement is this.
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then after him we'll have michael foster from it's good to be a man michael foster will be
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important for us to remember that god wrote a book and the book is not just for christian people
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but for all people we're allowed to use the book and so he's going to be talking about
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so that's the fourth doctrine the fourth main session then we're going to have as the fifth
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session we'll welcome back Pastor Douglas Wilson a second time to teach on Kyperianism when we say
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Kyperianism the same way that often you'd hear someone say Calvinism that doesn't mean they
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prescribe to every tenant in the institutions of Christian religion written by John Calvin,
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but typically what that means is that they agree with Calvin in regards to his soteriology,
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that is, his view of salvation. They're talking about the doctrines of grace, the tulip, right?
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We have total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and
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perseverance of all the saints. If somebody adheres to that, they're usually comfortable
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saying, I'm a Calvinist. So, we're going to be talking about Abraham Kuyper and Kuyperianism,
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not necessarily every tenet of his theology but the all of christ for all of life aspect so again
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that's going to be douglas wilson the fifth doctrine fifth primary session of the conference
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kyperianism all of christ for all of life that's kyper's famous statement where he said there's
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not one square inch of all creation that doesn't cry out that jesus doesn't cry out mine that jesus
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medicine it's business vocation economics the whole nine yards we want to see it all christianized
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by the grace of god then the sixth session is going to be general equity theonomy applying the
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law of god to every realm of life general equity theonomy again that's going to be joseph boot so
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he's going to come back dr joe boot for a second session then the final session will be pastor
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dale partridge hopeful eschatology post-millennialism so we've got reformed confessionalism
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We've got covenant theology, then biblical patriarchy, then presuppositionalism, then
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Kuyperianism, then general equity theonomy, and then post-millennialism.
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Again, the main speakers, Doug Wilson, Brian Sauve, Michael Foster, Joe Boots, and Dale
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And then in addition to all this, we're going to have two live hour and a half panels, one
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The one on Friday, I'm going to be hosting that panel.
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all right so i want to try to take some questions today okay i understand the reason why i want to
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make time for that is because i understand it's a controversial topic right should christians stay
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or should they go when it comes to the state of california that's what we're going to focus on
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but really this is a principle that's much broader it applies to progressive nations it applies to
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progressive states california being a prime example but there are others right if you live
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in New York, you know, and it also applies not just to progressive nations and states, but also
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cities, right? If you live in Washington, D.C., should a Christian stay or go? And usually that's
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the question between, you know, fight or flight. Should I flee or should I stay and fight the good
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fight? And, you know, my whole premise, for those of you who are aware of the book that I recently
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published, Fight by Flight, the whole premise is that I reject that what I see as being a false
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dichotomy, that it's either stay and fight or tuck your tail between your legs and flee. I think that
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fleeing is actually one of the best and most effective ways to fight. I think that one of
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the ways that you bring godless places to their knees is that the salt of the earth, Christians
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especially, but then also conservatives and other people who hold their traditional
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values and virtues, that we stop propping these places up with our hard-earned cash, that we stop
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paying these state taxes, that we stop paying for these failed, godless, wicked policies. That a lot
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of times, if we're honest, that the Christian, their choice to stay and fight, I think they need
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to give a fair look at whether or not their mere presence in a progressive, godless place,
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is that producing more fighting or is it actually producing more funding? Are you fighting more
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than your funding, right? What are you paying in property taxes? What are you paying in state
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taxes? What does that go towards? What is being accomplished? Also just your presence, not just
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in tax dollars, not just in money, but your presence just as an individual person, your
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household as a resident, right? That you're boosting the numbers of the population of that
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particular state, which allows for more representatives at the federal level of
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government, all these different things. We know that a couple of years ago that California lost
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and it was historic but they lost actually a seat in terms of state representatives and because
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their population historically for the first time in a very long time had decreased rather than
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increased and so it's not just that they're losing tax revenue but they're actually losing
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their overall population of residents which affects their representation at the federal level
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so there's a lot of ways i believe that christians can actually make a difference
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not by just staying and fighting, but that actually the fleeing is a form of fighting.
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I'm actually going to be going on the Steve Day show on the Blaze Network this week,
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I believe on Thursday, to talk about the book, Fight by Flight.
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He said, you know, I understand that some of you Christians in California had a sick pawpaw,
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but really, you know, like six million of you, right?
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Because that's how many voted for Trump in 2020.
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six million of you have sick pawpaws like you all have to stay i understand there are exceptions
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um but but are six million professing christians you know six million that voted for trump there's
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actually 16 million that profess christ in a state of 42 million people in california really 16
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million of you professing christians have sick pawpaws is is that really what you're trying to
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tell me and so steve days has spoken about this i'm going to talk about it this week on his show
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the whole premise, again, is that I think it's a false dichotomy to say it's either fight,
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stay and fight, or flee, and that fleeing is somehow not fighting. I actually would advocate
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that fleeing is one of the most effective and profound ways that Christians can fight against
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the godless ideology in progressive states. So, without further ado, let's go ahead and play the
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clip, and then I'll dissect it a little bit, and if you have a question on this topic, all right,
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Some of you guys in the chat, you get cute, that's fine, whatever, you know, you're right,
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do whatever you want in the chat, but I'm probably not going to address your question
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if it doesn't have anything to do with this topic.
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But if you have a particular question, because again, I know it's controversial, I know that
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Christians disagree, there are a lot of Christians like, no, no, no, no, no, we need to stay.
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And Christians like me who say, no, no, no, no, we need to leave.
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So if you have a legitimate question surrounding this topic of whether or not Christians should
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stay in godless places or whether or not they should leave if you have a question write it in
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the chat now as we play this video as i dissect it and i will do my best to get to it here in a
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moment all right so without further ado let's go ahead and play the i'm now in year 11 sorry in
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the state legislature and all the time we're proposing policies to protect children after
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11 years i've come to a conclusion that we need to start protecting parents that's just not
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happening. I've been here witness a full frontal assault on charter schools taking
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away parents choice and how their children and you'd be educated to the
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detriment particularly of children of color. In recent years we have put
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government bureaucrats between parents children and doctors when it comes to
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medical care and now we have this where if a parent does not support the
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ideology of the government they're gonna be taken away from the home. Now I agree
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with both Senator Wiener and Senator Laird that today it only involves divorce proceedings and
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frankly a judge can already factor factor this in but I can assure you it's not going to end
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with divorce proceedings in the past when we've had these discussions and I've seen parental rights
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atrophied but I've encouraged people to keep fighting I've changed my mind on that if you
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love your children, you need to flee California. You need to flee. We are moving towards the
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pathway of the hands-made tale. California is becoming the new Juilliard, and it just breaks
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my heart. I'm born and raised in this state. I love this state. I'm not going to stay in this state
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because it's just too oppressive, and I believe in freedom, and so I'm going to move to America
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when I leave the legislature. There you have it. I've said some of the same things myself.
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You know, when people are asking, why are you, you know, you planted a church in Southern California and you're the founding pastor and, you know, you built a community there and started a church from scratch and now you're leaving.
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You know, and I would say, well, there's a lot of reasons, but the short answer, if you want just a, you know, a short answer on the short answer is I have children and I love them.
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Now, I understand that people are bothered by that because they're like, well, are you implying that Christians that have children that choose to stay in California don't love their children?
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no, I know that you love your kids. But I just want to say that Senator Scott Wilk, who is a
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state, you know, a state senator in California, he used the exact same rhetoric. He said, you know,
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if you love your children, you need to flee. You need to flee. And I think that he's right. I've
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also said the same thing that he said for a few years now, saying, you know, I've lived in
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California, but I miss Texas. No, I miss America. I'd like to move back to America. And so that's
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what i did and i am happier for it so all that being said let me let me just present a couple
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i don't know you could call these you know faqs right the frequently asked questions uh some of
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you may ask this in the chat and i'll try to get to it but i think that i can probably head off
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some of these questions because they're the most common objections that i've gotten over the last
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few years as i've spoken on this topic and been an advocate for christians to leave the state
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Here are some of the most common objections that I've gotten.
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I'm going to read a small portion from my book here.
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Some of you may be wondering, what about Christians who live in places that California so greatly aspires to become?
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You know, places like Venezuela, North Korea, or China.
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This is a perfectly reasonable question that deserves a thoughtful response.
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To determine whether or not a Christian should choose to live in California,
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we must recognize that countries such as Venezuela, North Korea, and China
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differ from California in at least one key respect.
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The vast majority of Christians living under these oppressive regimes
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In God's providence, He determines both when and where people will live.
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For much of human history, and still even much today,
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many people have very little say in the matter.
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However, for those of us who are citizens of the United States of America, as well as citizens of other first world countries, we have an unparalleled freedom in determining where we raise our family.
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A further inquiry might be this. What about the concept of missionaries? Certainly that's a biblical premise or principle.
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What about those who choose to forsake their liberties to go into the darkest places of our world and make disciples for Jesus?
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To this, I will respond by simply reminding the reader of what a missionary is.
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A missionary is someone who is committed to fulfilling the Great Commission.
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That is, go therefore and make disciples of all nations,
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baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
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teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.
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The Great Commission involves more than merely conversions and baptisms.
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It involves discipleship, teaching people to obey all of Christ's commands.
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Fortunately, Jesus was kind enough not to leave the task of defining discipleship up to us.
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Discipleship is teaching those who we baptize into the name of the triune God to obey all of Christ's commandments.
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So, missionaries, and all Christians for that matter,
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have been tasked with teaching others how to submit to the complete lordship of Jesus in every area of life.
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So, how do we teach people about the goodness of Christ's lordship over the family
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if we deliberately prolong singleness, delay childbearing,
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and abdicate our parental duties by shipping our children off to the state
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so that our wives can provide a second income to cover the high cost of living?
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Are there some Christians who are spiritually and financially fit for being missionaries in California?
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Just as there are some Christians who are fit to be missionaries in a place like China.
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But to pretend that this is the norm, simply because what I'm suggesting is controversial, is incredibly foolish.
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So that's the first objection that I often get when I say, I think that in general, there are exceptions,
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But in general, Christians should seriously and prayerfully consider taking their household and leaving states like California.
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The first objection that I get is, well, what about missionaries?
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And again, what I would say is with the total population, speaking of the state of California, 42 million people,
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and 16 million of those 42 million being professing Christians,
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I do not believe that a third of the state qualifies in biblical terms as being missionaries.
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I don't believe, I'm sorry, I understand it may offend you, but I don't believe that 16 million
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of those professing Christians in the state of 42 million, California, are actual bona fide
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missionaries. So if you're saying, well, I think that there are 100,000 legitimate bona fide
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missionaries in the state of California, great. Then let's go ahead and try to urge and persuade
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and encourage 15,900,000 of the other professing Christians to leave. The 100,000 true bona fide
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missionaries, they can stay. Those who are both spiritually and practically fit for that kind of
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terrain, they can stay. But everybody else who doesn't fit the bill, I think that they should
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probably leave, right? Being a missionary is not just evangelism. It's not just doing the work of
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evangelism it can never be anything less but oh how it is more it is evangelism it is working
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towards by the spirit of god by grace his sovereign election preaching the gospel working
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towards conversion and baptizing those who believe right it's baptizing people into the name of the
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triune god those who believe our gospel proclamation by grace through faith in christ alone but then
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the latter part and this is not separate from the great commission this is included this jesus says
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all authority on earth and in heaven so jesus is king he's reigning here and now not just reigning
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not just someone who is ready to reign later and also not someone who is presently reigning now
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but reigning in the 17th dimension somewhere else no he's reigning here authority on earth
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and in heaven so reigning here but also reigning now he says all authority it's not that it will
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be given to me but it has been given to me now so he has authority now he's reigning now and he's
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not just reigning there, he's reigning here. And with that prelude of Jesus saying, I am king here
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and now, he then gives his great commission. And the great commission involves not only preaching
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the gospel, evangelism, and baptizing, conversion, but it also includes and teach them to obey all
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my commands. Teach them to obey all my commands. If we want to get really simple for a moment,
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we can say, well, how many commands does Jesus have? Well, all the commands in the Bible. It's
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Everything that the Bible says is God speaking, right?
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So whether Paul's writing it or whether Isaiah's writing it,
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And the Holy Spirit is not the third member of the Trinity.
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He is not at odds with the first and the second member of the Trinity.
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So if an Old Testament author says it and it's in Scripture,
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So if the man inscripturated, whether it be New or Old Testament, says it,
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the spirit is saying it and if the spirit's saying it then we know that the father and the son agree
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with what the spirit says and so all of the commandments are jesus commandments but if we
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want to get a little bit cute with with new testament red letter christianity well then
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all right i'll give you this argument how many commandments does jesus have well at least two
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love the lord your god the greatest the first and greatest commandment love the lord your god with
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all your heart with all your soul and all your mind and all your strength as he says elsewhere
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and the second greatest commandment is like it that you should love your neighbor as you as
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yourself this is matthew 22 verse 37 through 40 the first and greatest commandment is to love the
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lord your god with everything and then the second greatest commandment which is like it is to love
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your neighbor as yourself now the very next question you say well that's it just love god
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and love people okay here's the problem what people assume what christians assume is that
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the commandments of christ are only two and these two commandments is to love god and love people
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And then what we eisegete into that text is we say, and we get to be the governing power
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for determining what love for God and love for people looks like.
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Love your neighbor by getting the jab of wearing a mask.
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God gets to define what's loving to your neighbor.
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So yeah, you could argue Jesus only has two commandments.
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Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor
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as yourself. But then the next question should be, how do I love the Lord my God? And how do I love
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my neighbor? Well, Christianity has argued for 2,000 years of church history that if you want
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to better understand, more thoroughly understand what it is to love the Lord your God, you look at
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the Decalogue. Exodus chapter 20, the Ten Commandments, namely the first table of the
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Decalogue, the first table of the law, Commandments 1 through 4. How do I love the Lord my God?
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Well, the first four of the Ten Commandments deal expressly with what love, our duty, our
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You cannot love God rightly while loving other gods, lesser gods, false gods.
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So love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind.
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Well, the first thing that you do is have no other gods.
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The second thing that you do is do not make any graven images.
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The third thing you do is you don't cheapen God's reputation.
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The fourth is we love the Lord our God by devoting one day in seven for rest and worship.
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the christian sabbath the first day of the week the day that christ jesus himself was raised from
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the dead remember the sabbath and keep it holy six days you shall work but the seventh day is
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a day devoted to the lord for worship and so that's how we love the lord our god so jesus only
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has uh you know jesus says you need to go you need to make disciples you need to baptize them
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in the name of the father the son and the holy spirit that's all we could say uh in the banner
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of gospel work gospel proclamation the work of an evangelist conversion but the great commission is
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not only that it also includes and teach them to obey all my commandments that's where the law
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comes in giving it you know steel manning not straw manning but steel manning any opponent
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objecting to what i'm saying they might say well jesus only has two commandments okay fine i'll
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work with that premise faulty albeit but i'll work with it are what are his two commandments
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love the lord your god and love your neighbor okay great the next thing is how does god have
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something to say is it just uh so you love god and people and now you oh man you get to decide
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what love for god and love for people looks like or does god get to decide that right is loving god
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and loving people a blank canvas for our own creative license and and freedom or does god
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explicitly describe for us spell out for us what love for him and love for people looks like i would
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argue the latter that god defines that and he defines that in the 10 commandments so the two
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commandments of Christ, love God, love people, gets you to the 10 commandments. The first table
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of the law, how to love God, commandments one through four. Second table of the law, commandments
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namely five through 10, tells us how to love our neighbor. Who is our neighbor? Well, your mother
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and father, they're your neighbors. Honor thy mother and thy father, that it may go well with
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you and that you may live a long life in the earth, in the land that you're inheriting. The
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next commandment, that's the fifth. The sixth commandment is do not murder. It's not loving
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your neighbor to kill him so do not murder okay and that's where people would say well that's why
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you need to wear a mask that's why you need to get to the jab well wait a second what about the ninth
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commandment that says it's also not loving your neighbor to bear false witness right so you're not
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you're not allowed to kill your neighbor you're also not allowed to lie to your neighbor you're
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not allowed to lie to your neighbor so you're not allowed to go around for three years telling your
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neighbor he should be scared to death that he should let his parents die alone at the nursing
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home and not visit them. He should be scared to death. He should give up his business. He should
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let his kids fall behind in terms of their development, intellectual, flourishing, academic
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prowess, and all these different things. He should not love his kids by making them suffer.
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There are countless studies done about how toddlers, their speech was greatly delayed
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because of people wearing masks. They couldn't see their own parents physically articulating
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words, enunciation. So they were greatly delayed in their speech development. Older folks died
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not being able to see their family alone in nursing homes. So, okay, yeah, don't kill your
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neighbor. So thou shall not murder. That's the sixth commandment. That's one way to love your
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neighbor. Another way to love your neighbor is thou shall not lie to your neighbor, bear false
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witness, wearing a mask and going around scaring, you know, the life out of people for three years
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saying this is the bubonic plague when it's not it's not the bubonic plague regardless of your
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thoughts on on on covid um it was not nearly as deadly as we were led to believe and yet people
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did not drop the false narratives and lies and deceitful narratives were perpetuated and it did
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countless harm to our neighbor it hurt our neighbor it hurt his his um his the economy it hurt his
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livelihood his business uh the old testament says you shall not take a man's millstone um as as a
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collateral and not give it back to him it says for it is his livelihood no the text explicitly says
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for it is his life according to god's standard a man's livelihood is equivalent to his very life
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so so thou shall not murder your neighbor take his physical life but you also can't take his
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livelihood because it's the same as taking his life so all these things being said if we're
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going to make disciples, if we're going to be missionaries, we need to recognize it's not just
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evangelism. Discipleship is evangelism and teaching people the commandments of Christ.
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The commandments of Christ gets you to the 10 commandments. And then those 10 commandments,
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those are hard to follow depending on what context you're living in. We can't say, well,
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I'm sacrificing because I'm on mission in California to be a missionary for Jesus.
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But in being a missionary, I'm not just foregoing my personal pleasure and comforts,
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five commandments uh that particularly i'm going to be speaking to men for a moment as heads of
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households as husbands and fathers five very clear explicit commandments in the bible um
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that again there are exceptions to the rule it is possible i believe to be obedient faithfully
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obedient to these commandments as a christian in california you can be a missionary but i don't
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think six uh 16 million of the professing christians in california are currently meeting
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the standard okay um and i think there's a lot of people that in the name of being a missionary
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they're there what they're sacrificing is not their own personal comforts or liberties but what
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they're actually sacrificing is obedience to christ the basic overarching premise from scripture
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for this uh this principle that i'm going to be breaking down to five different biblical
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commandments would be the discourse between uh saul king saul the first uh king in israel
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and the prophet samuel where saul was supposed to um to completely destroy um all the amalekites
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and um and and he doesn't he spares some of them he gives in to the people and and samuel goes and
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he confronts him and challenges him and saul says i've gone he literally uses the word mission
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mission i'm a missionary samuel i've gone on the mission to which the lord assigned me and i've
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done this and i've done that and samuel says well if you did it all then what is the believing of
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of sheep and and and goats that i hear you obviously didn't um you obviously didn't destroy
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everything because I can see all this livestock over there in the corner. Oh, well, that's going
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to be a sacrifice to the Lord. And right there, Samuel nails him and he says, does the Lord desire
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sacrifice as much as he does obedience? And that's where we get the famous line from this discourse
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between Saul and Samuel, where Samuel says, obedience is better than sacrifice. Obedience
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is better than sacrifice. So all that being said, sacrificing personal pleasures and comforts
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for the sake of mission, is not only permissible, but I believe commendable.
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But some of us, we're not just sacrificing our personal pleasures and comforts.
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If we really get down to it at the end of the day,
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what's being sacrificed is obedience to the clear commandments of Scripture.
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And God desires obedience more than sacrifice, is what the Bible teaches us.
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So what are some clear commandments that obedience to these commandments, I believe,
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is being sacrificed in the name of a missionary mentality in progressive, godless places?
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Honor your father and your mother that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
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although obedience to our parents is a temporary command issued to younger children while they
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remain at home the command to honor our father and mother i believe is a lifelong command that
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continues even for adult children for quite some time in my case my parents were doing everything
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they could to transition from bay city texas to san diego california where i was located
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they desperately wanted to be closer to their adult children and grandchildren although my
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parents were diligently trying their best to achieve this goal, it was doubtful that
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the two individuals who had lived most of their adult lives in one of the poorest counties
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of Texas would be able to successfully retire in one of the most expensive cities in the
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Over time, I became convinced that I had an obligation to help provide for my aging parents
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by ensuring that they were able to fulfill their heart's desires.
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But if a widow has children or grandchildren, let them first learn to show godliness to their own household
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and make some return to their parents, for this is pleasing in the sight of God.
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Although this biblical text specifically references elderly widows,
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I have come to believe that it is pleasing in the sight of God when adult children earnestly seek to make some return to their parents,
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even when both their father and mother are still living.
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For those of you who are just tuning in, I'm using some excerpts from my book, Fight by Flight.
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The subtitle is Why Leaving Godless Places is Loving Godless Places.
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I'm arguing that you can actually fight the godlessness, the godless pagan ideologies of some of the most progressive places in the world,
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not by staying and fighting, but actually you're leaving, you're departing from those places is a method, an effective method of fighting.
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So the first commandment, there's no explicit commandment in the scripture that says,
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Joel Webin, thou shalt be a missionary to California.
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But there is an explicit commandment for me that I would honor my father and mother.
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And again, what I'm arguing is that obedience, raw obedience to the commandments of father
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and mother is a temporary commandment issued to younger children while under their father's
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But I do believe that a general honoring of father and mother is not temporary, but a
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lifelong commandment that we are called over the course of our lives even as adult children to
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honor our father and mother and one of the things that that practically entails is caring for our
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parents as they age in the same way that evangelicals have been notorious for shipping
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their children off to public school to the state we also have been notorious for shipping our
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parents off to the glue factory when they age rather than taking them into our home that's a
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foreign concept for the vast majority of human history not just within christian cultures but
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but universally virtually universally until very very recently uh when when parents began to age
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their adult children would take them into their home and care for them um over the course of their
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last few years of life they wouldn't just ship them off but they would actually bring them in
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if they needed special medical attention then sure then they would hire maybe a
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a hospice nurse or something like that, but they wouldn't just put them somewhere else for someone
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else to deal with. They would actually bring the parents in and care for them themselves. This is
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practically speaking, this is one of the reasons why there's a host of reasons, but just one reason
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why our generation, if you're a millennial, I'm an old millennial, but a lot of Gen Xers and
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millennials have not received as much of a monetary inheritance as generations past,
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in part because of a wicked shift in virtues and people being selfish, older generations,
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and thinking, oh, I don't want to give it to my kids. I want to teach them. They need to
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pull themselves up by their bootstraps, which goes completely against scripture.
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So that's not a righteous endeavor. But part of the reason why we don't receive an inheritance
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is because whatever savings and investments parents have stored up,
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usually every single penny is milked over the last few years of their life
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by very expensive health care being provided somewhere else
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because their children, they want the inheritance,
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but they're also at the same time, here's the contradiction,
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they're not willing to take their parents into their home and care for them.
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See, they could actually save on a lot of those expenses
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not having strangers do it but them uh caring for their parents i'm not a certified doctor or
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anything like that so you're going to have to outsource some of this to be sure but but a lot
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of it housing your parents as they age saying you're going to live with us you cared for us
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and and changed our diapers when we were babies and if we have to change some of your diapers here
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at the end of life it would be our honor to do so children first timothy right this is first timothy
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chapter five, verse four, it is good and pleasing to the Lord in his sight when children give some
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return. Parents have given so much to us, but now giving a return to our parents in their later
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years of life. And by giving that return, one practical effect of that is that there's more
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of a likelihood that the parents don't have to drain all their accounts on expensive health care
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being housed 24 seven somewhere else. And so maybe there might actually be an inheritance there. So
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that's one commandment men as sons right now you just draw out the practical implications it is
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much easier for me as my parents age to care for them in a state like texas politically culturally
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economically cost of living the whole nine yards in in every single regard in a practical standpoint
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it is easier for me to care for my aging parents here in the state of texas than it would have been
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for me to do so in Southern California. Okay. So I don't have an explicit commandment that says
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in the scripture, Joel Webb and thou shalt be a missionary to California, but I do have very
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clear commandment to me as a son to care for my aging parents. And it is much easier to do that
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in one context rather than another. All right. Here's another commandment, men, not just as
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sons, but now men as fathers. Genesis 128, be fruitful, multiply and fill the earth and subdue
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it as scripture testifies children are a blessing from the lord that's psalm 127 verse 3 i will
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maintain that scripture allows for some measure of careful and ethical family planning that would
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be contraceptives that do not impose any abortive risks however i'm still convinced in general that
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in most circumstances married couples do well to have several children children are a heritage from
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the Lord and blesses the man, Psalm 127.5, whose quiver is full. So children are a blessing. Lots
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of children is even more so a blessing. However, procreation is just one small part of the task
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which the Lord has assigned to parents. In addition to producing children, a father must
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both protect and provide for his children. A significant component of this provision includes
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the children's education this is ephesians 6 4 fathers do not provoke your children to anger but
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bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the lord in light of biblical texts such as this
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it appears evident that a christian man cannot merely abdicate his fatherly duty by handing his
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children over to the secular state to be educated this is especially true in a state that is godless
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like new york or california this means that a husband and wife will be required to homeschool
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their children or to pay a significant amount to place each of their children in a private
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christian school and here's another text matthew 12 16 and 17 and they brought jesus a denarius
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and he said to them whose image is this they said to him caesar's and jesus said to them render to
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caesar the things that are caesar's and to god the things that are god's still to this day the image
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on our currency is the image of man but whose image do we see in our children surely it is god's
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so if we are to render unto caesar what is caesar's but unto god what is god's why do we keep
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handing our children over to caesar the state why did christian parents continue to insist that
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their 15 minutes of daily family worship will somehow be able to compete with the 15 000 hours
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of state indoctrination they willingly subject their children to?
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Ignorance is the answer for some parents, but for most, the answer is practicality.
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Enrolling our children in a private Christian school is expensive, and a father's choice
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to homeschool his children means that he will not be able to rely upon his wife to provide
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So how will parents who come under these biblical convictions continue to afford to live in
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a state like california without succumbing to the temptation to utilize public schools the answer is
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simple they won't they'll probably give into the temptation now not all christians have but again
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i'm talking i'm not talking about the hundred thousand christians in california that are
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thoroughly reformed and super conservative and starting christian classical schools and working
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hard and dad's taking two jobs and doing that i'm not talking about there are exceptions to the rule
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I've said it before, I'll say it again, there are exceptions.
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But again, 42 million people, total population, state of California, 16 million of them profess
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And I do not believe whatsoever that 16 million of these professing Christians are not utilizing
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And many of them would say, well, we're in California because we're missionaries.
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Okay, well, a missionary, as I've already said, for those who are just tuning in, a
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missionary doesn't just just preach the gospel and do the work of an evangelist working towards
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conversion and baptism but according to the great commission given by jesus himself the end of the
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great commission is that we teach disciples these disciples to obey all christ's commandments
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and one of christ's commandments is that we love the lord our god and love our neighbor as ourself
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well our neighbor includes our parents it also includes our children and when it comes to loving
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our children now cross-referencing to other biblical commandments one of the commandments
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for fathers in their moral obligation to love their neighbor, which is their children, is not
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to exasperate your sons, but rather to raise them up in the fear and admonition of the Lord. That's
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the paideia, the curriculum, the all-encompassing, immersive curriculum and environment of the
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Christian worldview. So fathers have been tasked by God to train and teach their children. Provision
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is not just a roof over the head clothes for the body and food for the stomach provision also
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includes the education of our children and that of course necessitates a distinctly christian
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education which you're going to get one of two ways you cannot get that in a public school you
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will get it by doing christian homeschooling which means you can't as a man as a father rely
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on your wife to provide a second income. So that has monetary implications, or it's by sending
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your kids to a private Christian school, which has tuition, which means you're now paying for
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the public school. You're paying for two schools, the public school through your taxes, which you're
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not even using because you can't in good conscience as a Christian. And you're now paying for the
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second school you actually do use, namely the private Christian school that has an expensive
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tuition so men as sons caring for your aging parents there are monetary implications practical
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implications men as fathers providing for your children including the education of your children
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and not just having two children because it's expensive but saying no we want to have as many
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children as the lord would give us ethically we want to do it wisely sure there's some exceptions
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but overall the general rule of thumb is that children are a blessing from the lord and if they
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are then blesses the man whose quiver is half full no full lots of children are a good thing
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so if i'm gonna if i'm gonna say i'm a missionary and i'm gonna live out the gospel and i'm gonna
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teach people to obey not just teach them the gospel for evangelism but in the realm of
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discipleship teach them to obey biblical commandments then that's going to involve
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the commandments for me to honor my father and mother in practical ways that's going to involve
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the commandment for me to uh to love my children and to provide for them and to provide for their
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education and to have lots of children because i'm i'm agreeing with the lord and what he says
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about children that they're a blessing and not a burden that has financial implications another
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one is men as husbands titus chapter 2 verse 3 through 4 says older women likewise are to be
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reverent and behavior not slanderers or slaves to much wine they are to teach what is good and so
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train younger women to love their husbands and children it goes on and then says keepers of home
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or working at home now although i do not believe it is inherently immoral for women with children
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to work outside of their homes in some capacity i have determined that as the lord increases my
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household and our oldest child olive reaches schooling age i wanted to do everything i could
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to allow for my wife to devote more of her time to the godly work at home which the lord has
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called her to and by god's grace today as we sit currently my wife is now officially in our home
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full time so men as as sons honoring father and mother caring for them as they age as fathers
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providing for children having lots of children providing for those children including their
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education men as husbands allowing for your wife to be a keeper at home which means you can't rely
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on her for a second income. There may be some ways that she's able to generate revenue. The
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Proverbs 31 wife, she's doing some things. She's doing some trade. She's investing in a field,
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a plot of land, selling that. So I'm not saying that women are not industrious. Certainly they
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can be, but you are going to be the primary breadwinner as the husband, as the head of your
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home. And just for the record, for anybody who would say Proverbs 31, and they would use it as
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as a biblical pseudo defense for women working 40 hours out of the home first the proverbs 31 woman
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is not working out of the home industry historically it is not until the industrial
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revolution very recently in human history that work became something that was segregated and
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separated from the household the household was the bedrock of industry so whether it was
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agriculture you were a farmer or you were a blacksmith or whatever it might be um your shop
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your work your vocation was quite literally geographically physically attached to your house
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so the proverbs 31 woman she is industrious yes and she is turning a physical monetary profit
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yes but she's doing it all from her home so in in our culture today this would be the equivalent
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of a woman for perhaps being on etsy right she's she's making purses or whatever the cutesy artsy
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you know, and, and, and, and selling them for a profit, but it's, it's not coming at the neglect
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of the children. It's at home. Secondly, people will say, well, this is a woman who's working
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out of the home. Nope. We just debunked that Christian myth. But then secondly, so, and this
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is also 40 hours a week. No, no. They think people say, oh, the problem is 31 woman. She's, you know,
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she's an independent woman. No, she's not. She's making a profit. Uh-huh. Yeah. How she bought a
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field with whose money her husband's that's how her husband is the breadwinner the household
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the children the servants the revenue the investments the field that she bought it's all
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his all right you won't like this feminist aka complementarians but let me go ahead and throw
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it at you anyways the 10th commandment it assumes patriarchy you shall not covet what
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you shall not covet your neighbor's house or his wife or his livestock his donkey his ox his
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maid servant his male his the bible assumes that even in the realm of the sin of covetousness
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the a breach of the 10th commandment that to covet is to covet what belongs to someone else
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and and and who does it belong to a dude a man it's his does the wife enjoy it yes
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does she have access to all of it as a co-heir yes do the children enjoy it and benefit by it
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yes but the head of it all the owner is the man in the ultimate eternal truest sense the owner
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of the cattle on a thousand hills is god who also is a father a patriarch he the father at every
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level the human level the eternal divine level it belongs to a man so yes proverbs 31 allows for
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women to be industrious but titus chapter 2 says women older women who train younger women one of
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the things that these older women should encourage younger women in is that they would be keepers at
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home, not leaving the home to ironically go and work for another man, just a man that's never made
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vows to them, a man who won't give his life for her, right? Every, every woman is working for a
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man, either a man who loves her as Christ loved the church, AKA her husband, that man, or she's
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working for another man, the man, a CEO of some company that doesn't care about her at all.
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that just wants to milk her dry, that wants to use her, abuse her, and then they're done with her.
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The moment she gets pregnant or something like that, if it weren't for strict laws in certain
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places, the employer would let her go. He doesn't care about her. So can a woman be industrious?
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Can she turn a profit? Yes. But the Proverbs 31 woman, her industry is attached to being a keeper
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at home it's it the industry is flowing the place of industry is her home and she's turning this
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profit by making investments and the original investment is coming from her husband's house
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his labor his revenue his resources so yes that's all permissible but the idea that a woman would
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go out of the home for 40 hours a week working for some other dude uh especially during the
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stage of life where she has several young children i don't know how to defend it biblically i don't
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so then that begs the question are there some places where it's easier for wives to stay at
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home with the children and other places where it's much more challenging and difficult where
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because of the cost of living because of the taxation because of this because of that it is
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virtually impossible to get by on one income. It's hard to get by on one income anywhere because of
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our economy and largely the way the economy has been affected by feminism. Feminism has destroyed
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single income households. So it's hard anywhere. But if we're going to pretend that it's not harder
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in California than it is in Oklahoma, then again, I just think we're being dishonest.
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In addition to all these commands, Malachi 3.10 says,
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Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there might be meat in my house, saith the Lord of hosts.
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And thereby put me to the test, says the Lord of hosts,
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if I will not open to you the windows of heaven and pour out such a blessing until there is no more need.
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There are plenty of Christians today who would reject the idea of a tithe
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as a continued requirement for the New Testament believer.
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He believes the tithe is still biblical for New Testament Christians.
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Instead, these individuals, they tend to promote the concept
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of what often has been referred to as gospel giving.
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What seems odd to me is that in practical terms,
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gospel giving regularly appears to produce less cash in the offering plate
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than what we might call law-giving, a.k.a. a biblical tithe of 10%.
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So why do so many Christians, especially in a place like California,
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seem content to forfeit such a massive portion of their hard-earned income to the state
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while often failing to give an even smaller portion to the church?
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This reluctance to generosity undoubtedly reveals certain issues of the heart,
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Still, perhaps this reluctance also demonstrates the practical challenges
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associated with high cost of living and exorbitant state taxes.
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a Christian man is called by God to care for his aging parents,
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2. Provide a distinctly Christian education for his children,
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3. Ensure that his wife is permitted to work with the children at home,
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four lay up an inheritance for both his children and his grandchildren five and accomplish all this
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on 90 of his income or less that's the tithe six and to do that with undoubtedly far less of his
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income due to further generosity to those in need and his civic duty to pay taxes wherever he lives
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so as ted cruz which is what i wrote in the book before ted cruz started saying stupid stuff on
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twitter so i'll still just quote what i wrote here but as ted cruz would say try doing that
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in california it's hard to do anywhere again i admit but especially hard in california so all
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that being said the basic premise what am i saying the number one objection that i get when i say i
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think christians should leave a place like california people say well what about missionaries
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we're missionaries and all i'm saying is well a missionary does the work of an evangelism working
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towards conversion but in this large manner the the great commission it also includes teaching
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them to obey christ's commandments and we cannot without being hypocrites teach people to obey
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christ's commandments if we're not obeying those commandments ourselves there's not an explicit
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commandment in scripture that says you so and so thou shalt be a missionary in california but there
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are commandments for all of us general commandments uh that we are called to um fulfill mass a
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masculine mandate to our parents as they age honor thy father and mother to our wives allowing
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them to be keepers at home to our children do not exasperate your sons but raise them up in the fear
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and admonition of the lord providing for them having multiple children children are heritage
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from the lord blesses the man whose quiver is full that's psalm 127 we have a mandate in proverbs as
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it pertains to grandchildren even a wise man lays up an inheritance for his children's children that
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inheritance i believe it is a spiritual inheritance it can't be anything less but oh i believe it is
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more it's a spiritual inheritance but i also think that it means leaving something physical
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practical to our children as well and not just our children but our grandchildren and our role as
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church members as men that we would also be generous to the house of god all these things
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here's my point these are all spiritual commandments but they have practical implications
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And if we are to obey these commandments faithfully,
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I've gone on the mission to which the Lord assigned me.
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I'm not just trying to convert people with the gospel.
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And I cannot teach them to obey Christ's commandments
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there are certain contexts where obedience to christ's commandments to the household to the
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family to wives children grandchildren parents the whole nine yards there are places where it's
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harder and places where it's easier if you can do it where it's hard and do it faithfully and
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you're sacrificing certain pleasures and personal comforts but not sacrificing obedience to christ's
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commands great praise god all power to you but if you're saying i'm a missionary in this progressive
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state, but you conveniently are using public schools for your kids. Your wife's working 40
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hours a week out of the home. You've opted to have two kids because the Great Commission has
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somehow replaced the cultural mandate. That's your exegesis. Your parents are going to be in
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a nursing home. The thought has never even crossed your mind to take them into your house to give
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some return to your parents. You've never given a tithe to the church. You give 2% instead of 10%.
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you're robbing God, according to Malachi 3.10, and the inheritance that you're saving up for
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your grandchildren will be, you know, sitting them on your lap and telling them a couple stories
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about how you love Jesus and how you were a missionary in California, but they won't get a
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dime, then I'm telling you right now, you're not a missionary. You're not. Or you are, but you're a
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lousy one. You're a bad missionary. Missionaries fulfill the Great Commission. Evangelism and
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teaching them to obey Christ's commandments. And if you are teaching people to obey Christ's
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commandments, you're not doing a good job. You're doing a hypocritical job because you're not
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obeying them yourself. Can some people do it? Yes. Are 16 million professing Christians currently
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doing it in the state of California? No. And if they were to leave today, I think it would honor
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the Lord. I think it would be better for their household, better for their families to not
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sacrifice their own children on the altar of being a missionary. And ironically, that's the
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whole premise of my book, Fight by Flight, it would be better for a state like California.
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Because if everybody leaves California, then nobody is left to prop up their godless ideologies.
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And Governor Gavin Newsom will finally have to lie in the bed that he's been making. He'll
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finally have to eat a spoonful of his own medicine. And that would be good. So for those of you,
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again, who are just tuning in, let me play the clip one more time. Okay. This is from a state
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senator, a California state senator himself. This is Scott Wilk, where he says, hey, as soon as I'm
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done, I'm getting out of California. This has never been my message. I always told people to
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stay and fight, but I'm telling parents now, if you love your kids, you need to leave. Let's watch
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the clip one more time, and then we'll go ahead and start taking some questions. I'm now in year
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11 in the state legislature, and all the time we're proposing. I'm now in year 11 in the state
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legislature and all the time we're proposing policies to protect children.
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After 11 years I've come to a conclusion that we need to start protecting parents.
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That's just not happening. I've been here witness a full frontal assault on
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charter schools taking away parents choice and how their children and you'd
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be educated to the detriment particularly of children of color. In recent years we
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We have put government bureaucrats between parents, children, and doctors when it comes
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And now we have this where if a parent does not support the ideology of the government,
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Now I agree with both Senator Wiener and Senator Laird that today it only involves divorce
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And frankly, a judge can already factor this in.
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But I can assure you it's not going to end with divorce proceedings.
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In the past when we've had these discussions and I've seen parental rights atrophied,
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If you love your children, you need to flee California.
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We are moving towards the pathway of the hands-made tale.
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California is becoming the new Gilead and it just breaks my heart.
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I'm not going to stay in this state because it's just too oppressive.
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And so I'm going to move to America when I leave the legislature.
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All right, let's go ahead and take some questions now.
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say it again what oh what if your parents are wicked yeah then you do your best okay yeah i'll
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answer that one real quick. So, um, how do you honor a dishonorable father? Um, I remember doing
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a video on that, uh, on a father's day, not this, this most recent father's day yesterday, but, um,
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it was either last year or a year before that two years ago, uh, Noah and his sons would be a good
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example. So Noah had three sons. One of them was wicked, right? And, uh, Noah curses that son's
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son, his grandson, Canaan. Cursed be him and his son, Canaan. And the reason why that son was
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wicked is because Noah, it's not that Noah was innocent and that son was slandering his father,
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right? Presenting a falsehood, something that was categorically untrue. No, he was, what he was
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doing is he was saying something about his father that was wicked, that was actually true. But yet
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that act of exposing his father's failure, that exposing the failure of his father, the wickedness
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of his father was wickedness itself. So what I would say is when it comes to honoring wicked
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parents, a wicked father and a wicked mother, the way that you honor the failure of your father and
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mother is not by lying about it, not by pretending as though there is no failure. So I'm not saying
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that we lie, but what I am saying is there is a way of covering their failure. And so what Noah's
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two righteous sons did when they heard that their father had drank of the vineyard that he had
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planted and gotten drunk and passed out naked in his tent, instead of exposing the folly of their
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father, what they did is they walked in backwards, each holding the corner of a sheet so that they
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would not even look upon their father's nakedness, but they walked into the tent backwards and
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carried a sheet and covered his nakedness. And so how do we, how do we honor a dishonorable father
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and mother? I think one of the best ways to do that is by covering their shame. We can't lie
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about it, right? So we can't, we can't, we definitely should not slander and say things
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about our parents, negative things about our parents that aren't actually true. So we definitely
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don't need to make our parents out to be worse than they are. But what do you do, you know,
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to be fair to the question, what are you doing when they're actually wicked, right? I'm not,
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I'm not trying to make my parents sound wicked. They know, Joel, they really are wicked. Well,
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great. It's not great. It's sad, but fine. Okay. Well, if they really are that wicked,
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try to look for some of the things that are honorable and highlight those. And then the
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things that really are wicked, don't lie about them. Don't call evil good, right? Don't lie
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about it, but you get to decide. What I'm saying is this, you get to decide what the headline of
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the story is going to be. So your parents, like any human being for that matter, my story is good
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and bad, right? All of our stories, we're sinners. For those of us who are in Christ by grace,
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we're also saints. So we're sinners and saints, meaning that there are virtues and vices. There's
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good and bad. Uh, but when we tell the story of our parents, we get to determine, uh, what makes
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it into the, the eulogy. We, we get to make, uh, get to determine, um, what, what is going to get
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the headline in the story and, and what's going to be a footnote. So yeah, we want to tell the
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whole story. Uh, we want to tell the truthful story, but we get to choose what to showcase,
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what to emphasize and what to cover. So how do you honor a wicked parent? You don't lie about
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the dishonorable aspects of that parent, but you do have a choice not to lie about it, not to call
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evil good, but you can cover it. And that's what Noah's two righteous sons did. All right, let's
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see. Any other questions? Okay. Let's do this one. Truttle question. Part of a Christian family
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here i'm part of a christian family here in michigan okay in michigan for decades i don't
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like where michigan is going but moving would strain those connections especially with parents
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and i get it how bad does it need to be to outweigh this that's a great question because
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and that's one of the things that i outline in you know in my book fight by flight is just saying
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um there are exceptions and one of the exceptions to the rule has to do with extended family
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especially father and mother. So on one level, you have an obligation. It's really what I would
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call a four-generation moral obligation in terms of scriptural commandments. So we have a commandment
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to honor our father and mother. So that's one generation above us. But then also the husband
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has the commandment to love his wife as Christ loved the church and willing to lay down his
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life for her, and also willing to see that she's able to do what God calls godly wives and mothers
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to do, namely to be keepers at home. And that has a monetary, practical, financial implication
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of being able to provide so that you're not relying on her for a second income. So that's
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your wife, that's your own generation, so that's the second generation. The generation above,
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the generation, the same generation that you are as husband, your wife, that's two generations now,
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to provide for your children. And that includes the education of your children, a distinctly
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Christian education. So you can't use public school. So that's homeschooling, which means
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the wife has to be in the home. You can't rely on her to supplement your income or paying, you know,
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for tuition for a Christian school that costs money too. So your children, that's the third
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generation, the generation below, and then two generations below the grandchildren. A wise man
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leaves an inheritance, not only for his children, but his children's children. So explicitly in the
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scripture, we have, um, a, uh, commandments given to men, um, uh, explicitly that all involve a
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monetary aspect, financial aspect for four generations, the parents, the wife, the children,
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the grandchildren. Now within those generations, um, there is triage. There's a, there's, there's
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a ranking of prioritization. And what I mean by that is clearly the Bible would say, uh, that,
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a man's obligation to his children is more important than his obligation to his parents,
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for instance. So if it came down to it, now obviously I believe that God ordinarily will
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provide a way and through prudence and prayer and hard work and all these things, you can do both.
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But there are times where you may have to choose your moral obligation to your parents or your
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moral obligation to your children in those cases the children should trump the parents the bible
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is i believe abundantly clear uh that men as father to your children outweighs your moral
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obligation as an adult child men as son to his aging parents so if it came down to it to where
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for instance like california you know looking at passing a law to where you know
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kids can be taken from their parents, um, over transgender baloney. Um, if it, if it came down
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to, all right, I, I am genuinely concerned for the wellbeing of my children. I cannot stay here
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without sending my kids to public school. Or if I stay here, I'm worried that my kids are going to
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be taken or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, but if I leave my parents, well, first I would say,
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uh, mom and dad, I'd have a conversation and say, come with us, please. See, now that's a little
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bit, it's already, it's different because one, uh, you just, you're, you're called to prioritize
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your children in love, um, above your, your aging parents. But two, your children don't have a
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choice. They require an added measure of provision and protection. Your parents as adults, they,
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they may, as they age, require provision, require help. Um, but as adults, um, they can make the
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choice to say, okay, we'll come with you. We get it. We love the grandkids. And we know that
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the grandkids being raised in California, you know, in, in the 2020s, um, is not good for them.
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And because we love the grandkids, um, we know you got to move for the kids. And so we'll come
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with you. Where do you want to move? Now, if the grandparents are digging in their heels and saying,
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we're not going we're not going well then they're the ones who actually have put you between a rock
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and a hard place they're the ones who have made you have to ultimately choose between the grandparents
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or the kids in which case the choice is an easy one the kids and in that case the grandparents
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die alone and your conscience can be clear because it's their fault your conscience can be clear
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because you and that in that moment you can't you're not omnipresent you can't geographically
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be in two places at once and so for the sake of the children for their safety for their provision
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for their christian education all those kinds of things your obligation to the children trumps your
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obligation to your aging parents and therefore you had to move for the for the children you
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pleaded with grandma and grandpa to come with you they chose not to and you can sleep at night with
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a clear conscience so that's how i would argue that so i would say you know to answer the question
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it's just how bad is it for the kids um are you having to use a public school for the kids
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are you in a place to where you'll be able to help the kids when they're older you know
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financially that you're able to store up an inheritance for your children's children
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and help your children maybe with towards making the down payment on their home when they're in
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their 20s are you who who are their prospects for marriage right so that where you're currently
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living what's the culture like there do you have a good church there and and not just a good church
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of 20 people but do you have a good church of 200 people i'm not against small churches hear me
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but you need to seriously be thinking your five-year-old when they're 25 um who are they
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going to marry what what other parents are in your church community is a large church community
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with with uh with shared scriptural convictions that that the other parents are also not using
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public school training their children the fear and admonition of the lord so that your son when
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he's 25 will be able to find a godly wife and not have to choose from a bunch of radical feminists
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like who who will your children marry uh what job opportunities will your children have 20 years
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from now when they're looking for work to start their own household uh what kind of financial
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situation will you be in uh 20 years from now how much will you be able to invest and save
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or how much do you have to pay just just to meet the the the bottom line just to get by
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are you living paycheck to paycheck do you have any wiggle room to invest for for their future
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so who who whether the prospects for marriage what kind of community are they going to be able to
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have what kind of job opportunities are they going to be able to have what's the cost of living for
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you what's it going to be for them uh what kind of margins you have um in in your in your finances
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to where you're able to save for your children and children's children and inheritance all those
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kinds of things and if you determine by asking those questions that your children are doomed if
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you stay um then you you plead with grandma and grandpa your father and mother to come with you
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but if they refuse, it's on them. Your conscience should be clear and you move for the children. You
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pick the children over the parents. The children trump the parents. All right. Any other good
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questions, Nate? Jarrell. Okay. For young families, newlyweds that aren't able to stay afloat with a
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single income, is it permissible for the wife to work outside of the home at least until the husband
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is able to make more. You do what you got to do, Jarrell. So yeah, you have to do what you have to
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do. But what we're saying is we're saying this is the biblical principle and this is what we're
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trying to work towards. And we're actively trying to work towards that. And we're employing every
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single method we can think of. Have we considered downsizing? So it's not just the husband making
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more. He needs to work hard in provision. Uh, but one way of providing is the husband making more
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money. Another way of providing is the whole family, uh, trusting the Lord and being content
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with less. So, um, there's a sense in which, you know, in an older economy, you think of the 1950s
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in America, um, it was single income houses, you know, uh, moms were stay at home. They weren't
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working there. They were working, but they were working at home. Uh, they weren't providing a
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second income and the average middle-class family in america was able to own a home and own a car
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and do vacation maybe one or two weeks a year and uh and have money saved up for retirement
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and inheritance for the kids and that was the normal single income family now so that's one
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side to say the economy is terrible we have gravitated towards a feminist economy where now
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women are expected and they have to work in order for a household to survive. And so the economy is
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bad and feminism is to blame. There's other factors, but feminism is a big one. So the economy
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was better in the 1950s in terms of purchasing power of the dollar, what you could buy.
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However, the other side of the coin, let's tell the whole story. The other side of the coin is
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said, uh, people drank Folgers coffee out of the can and they didn't whine about it.
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Right? Like our, our grandparents, our great grandparents, uh, they weren't spending
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six 50 a day at a coffee shop for a latte. So yeah, the economy is bad. It's really hard to
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own a home. It's really hard to have a single income family, but there's also a ton of stuff
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that we spend money on. Like our, our great grandparents, they had a better job for providing
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for a family, but they also were far more frugal. And I think we have to admit that latter part.
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So anyways, all that being said, yeah, it's permissible. You do what you got to do. You
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don't starve the kids. Um, if you can't put food on the table without your wife supplementing your
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income, then, then yeah, your wife's going to have to supplement your income. But what I'm
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urging you to do is making decisions now that would set you on a trajectory, heading a specific
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direction to where your wife can be a keeper at home. So even with your wife exploring her gifts,
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so she's working for some company out of the home 40 hours a week for now, okay? Well, as she's
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doing that, as much as you can, see if you can cut back in your spending, right? So not just
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making more, but can we cut back? Can we downsize? Can we stop going to Starbucks, right? Which we
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probably should stop anyways. Like, can we just buy some coffee grounds, you know? Or can we just
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not drink coffee um for for the foreseeable future can we figure that out um you know can
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we do this can we do that can we cut back our expenses also with your wife um are there ways
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that we can cut back expenses and then and then by cutting back expenses i can get her to work 20
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hours instead of 40 and it gets 20 more hours in the home but let's even with that 20 hours let's
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take five of it 15 more in the home and let's take five of it and explore my wife's gifts and
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her resources and see if she could develop some kind of industry where she can still supplement
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our household income, but not by having to sell her labor to another man, but actually being able
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to own her labor as an extension of this man, namely her husband. Is she creative? Can she
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start some kind of online business? Can she do this? Can she do that? Or can we together as
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husband and wife start a company where she's with the children by and large, the vast majority of
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the time but she's also able to use her gifts and supplement me and in this company that we're
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running together as a family and the children can even be a part of it once once our sons and
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daughters are older they're able to come to work with dad and learn the trade and um that's awesome
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that's awesome so i'm just saying look at cutting back look at you maybe uh taking on more work as
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a man so cutting back expenses you taking on more work and with your wife's work see is there a way
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to take her work and own it attach it to the household bring industry back to the household
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to where yeah she may be working some but even the work she's doing she's doing from home and
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the children have opportunity to be involved in it as a family affair rather than just mom gets
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in the car she drives away from the house she works for some other dude who doesn't love her
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who didn't make vows to her who's not dad and then she comes back home at the end of the day
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we see her for a couple of hours and we go to bed. That's what we don't want to do. Okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. Email me at joel at right response ministries.com. Joel at right response ministries.com.
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I saw in the chat earlier, you know, somebody was like, well, let's, you, let's call people
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the 16, you know, they were saying some of the stuff and then I got to it in the video, you know,
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and you know but there was yeah they were they were saying like you know well what about
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missionaries and California needs Christ yeah California does need Christ but that's another
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objection that I would just address and say we're living in a new world it's it's different
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California needs Christ but there was a time where if we didn't send missionaries then
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there just there was no gospel witness but right now I'm able to and I know I have people listening
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from california because they're the ones who in the comments get angry at me every time i tell
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them to leave um so i know i have an audience in california but that just proves my point
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i am continuing to preach the whole counsel of god i'm continuing to preach both law and gospel
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to californians from texas so there was a time where i i i concede i admit um that in order for
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a certain place geographic place to have a faithful gospel witness you had to live there
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it required physical brick and mortar presence um that's not that's not the time that we're
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currently living in um so i i you know my point is um i'm actually i have more californians aware
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of my ministry and and and listening to my preaching my sermons my podcasting those kind
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of things i am i am uh discipling and teaching more christians and non-christians in california
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today from Texas than I was when I was a pastor in California. And a big part of that was getting
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out of California, which allowed me to have far more bandwidth to be able to focus on right
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response ministries and podcasting, these kinds of things, and allowed it to take off. When I was
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in California, I just, I wasn't able to do that. I was not able to give as much bandwidth to right
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response or, or, or media kind of stuff. I was doing that in California, but not as much bandwidth
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and attention, uh, when I was in California, because I, I was spread too thin because just
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the, the, the bottom line threshold for survival was, was very high. The cliff, it was a high cliff.
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And so having more bandwidth, having more, um, having, having more extra, right? If you can
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lower your cost of living, if you can lower your taxes, if you can all that, then, then, I mean,
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that's at the end of the day, people just don't, they don't understand influence. They don't
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understand leadership. They don't understand wealth. Um, the difference between somebody
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who is a multimillionaire and somebody who just gets by initially, in most cases, in most cases,
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initially, all it was, was like 10, 15, 20% in terms of their monthly income. But then that way,
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you call that a surplus, right? So that household, right? Uh, it, let's say it costs, you know,
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$50,000 annually just to get by, just to survive. And one guy's making $50,000 and the other guy,
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he's making $500,000. No, $50,000. And the other guy's making $56,000. But that guy with $56,000
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is not, it's not like he's making twice as much as he needs to survive. He's just making a little
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bit more than he needs, but then if he's wise, having a surplus, having just a little bit extra
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when that accrues over time and not just goes into the savings account, not just buried in the sand,
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but that talent is then reinvested and traded to make more than ultimately over the course,
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not right away. It's 56 grand in a year, 50 grand in a year. And the only difference is $6,000.
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dollars. But over the course of, of 10 years, 20 years being reinvested and using that little bit
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of extra bandwidth, that little bit of extra surplus, uh, to invest and do this and do that.
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Then eventually, um, that little bit of extra can make the difference in millions of dollars.
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Um, but you can't get ahead. You can't use it. And that's in general, that's where the American
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people are economically right now is that, uh, just nobody can get ahead. And the reason why
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people can't get ahead is because, uh, it just costs way too much to live and it costs way too
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much to live because of progressive godless policies that drive up inflation, that drive up,
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uh, cost. And so, uh, right now, um, yeah, I mean, yeah, there's still people who are rich,
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but by and large, what we see kind of falling away is the American middle class. They'll always
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be the uber-duber rich. And Jesus told us you'll always have the poor. But what was unique for
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American, first world, Western civilization countries was that the vast majority of the
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nation's population was neither rich nor poor, but comfortable. Comfortable. That was unique.
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And that was the product of Christian principles being applied to the realm of law and economics.
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free the gospel of free grace producing free men who build free markets and and what that produced
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was yeah exorbitant rich billionaires but it also produced well over 50 of the population being
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comfortable as middle class but as we turn our back on christ on christ and christian principles
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that has economic implications and it's not just that the poor are getting poor it's not so much
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that. It really isn't. The poor are actually getting more handouts. The rich are getting
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richer, right? COVID made Jeff Bezos richer. So the riches of the rich get richer when freedom
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is taken away. When godless policies are put in place, the economic implications of that
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is that the rich get richer and the poor often get poorer. They get a handout, but then the handout
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doesn't teach them to work. And so they actually, it's actually self-defeating and actually lends
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towards more generational lifelong poverty. So the rich get richer, the poor get sometimes a
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little richer from a temporarily from a handout and then ultimately poor. But the biggest thing
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that's affected is the average person, the average household. The middle class is disappearing in
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America. There is no nation that hates themselves as much as America. America is a suicidal nation.
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Americans don't hate anyone as much as Americans hate Americans, and I'll go, you know, I'll do you
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one step further. White Americans really, really, really hate themselves, and white male Americans,
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and white male heterosexual Americans, we really, really hate ourselves, and the fruit of decades
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of fiercely devoted hatred towards ourselves, by golly, it's finally paying off. We're actually
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suffering now we have hated ourselves so thoroughly and so diligently that now life
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is not as good as it used to be shocker wow so anyways all right um all that being said
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i can't even remember the question what was the question nathan
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i can't remember i it was i was answering just somebody in the chat who was saying hey you know
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like why don't you just tell people to be better you know like stay and you know stay and fight
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blah blah blah and um yeah oh one other common objection i guess i'll end it with this but one
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other common objection that i get is like well there are faithful christians in california are
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you saying they're wrong and then the person that people always use as an example of course is
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the protestant pope john mcarthur and god bless john mcarthur a hundred times over
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but what i say is and none of this is disrespectful of john mcarthur it's not what i always say is
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john mcarthur he right now is deciding where to finish the race i'm talking primarily to guys in
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their 20s and 30s, maybe early 40s, who are deciding where to start the race. When John
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MacArthur decided to take the senior pastor position at Grace Community Church, do you know
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what year it was? It was 1959. I believe it was 1959. I actually mentioned it in my book. Let me
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look real quick, just to make sure I got it right. It was 1969. John MacArthur was born in 1939.
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he began pastoring grace community church in 1969 and uh gavin newsome was uh the governor nope
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ronald reagan think about that california was once a conservative bastion it was and it really is a
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shame and i'm not saying hey we're gonna you know surrender california indefinitely no i'm saying
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let's stop propping it up so that it will implode defeat itself and then we send our grandkids in
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So we're going to come back for the Pacific Ocean.
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then we'll send back in the troops to take over the land what i'm arguing for what i'm advocating
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is a temporary tactical retreat and advance to the rear for a time ultimately to win a battle
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over here and also to let the enemy beat itself in a battle over there so that we can go back
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and win everything because we're going to progressively throughout human history by the
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grace of god through christ who is head of the church win the war we win down here we win down
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here. I believe that. So John MacArthur is not a good example of, well, Christians should stay
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because John MacArthur, he's great and he's staying. Yeah, he's 83 years old. He's deciding
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where to finish the race, a race that he's run faithfully, I might add. He's deciding where to
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finish the race. But for those of you who are younger and you have young children, you're not
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deciding where to finish the race. You're deciding where to start the race. And when John was making
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that decision when macarthur was deciding where to start the race it was 1969 and ronald reagan
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was the governor that is not the state of california today and so you just need to be
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honest about that all right i feel like i've handled plenty of objections uh seems like i
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plenty of people were mad in the chat so that's always good and so thanks for tuning in and we
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