The NXR Podcast - BONUS EPISODE - Atheism Will Be Stamped Out ｜ Responding To James Lindsay’s Questions About Christian Nationalism

00:00:00.000 Welcome back to another live video with Right Response Ministries.

00:00:06.060 I am your host, Pastor Joel Webin.

00:00:07.460 In this video, I'm going to be addressing multiple questions that James Lindsay put forward a while back on Twitter.

00:00:15.160 He was addressing Christian nationalists and saying, hey, I want some clear answers in his defense.

00:00:20.340 It is true that there is a big tent of Christian nationalists.

00:00:25.140 There is a ranging spectrum of people with different persuasions, convictions, theology,

00:00:31.880 and so not everybody is going to give the same answer.

00:00:34.160 I understand that.

00:00:35.560 The problem, though, is that some people, they're not just giving different answers,

00:00:39.740 but they're giving ambiguous and vague answers.

00:00:43.060 And so these are certain questions that I think are legitimate questions.

00:00:46.440 I don't think they're just gotcha questions.

00:00:49.420 I'm sure that James Lindsay is trying to get us,

00:00:52.000 and I have no doubt that this episode he'll appreciate very much.

00:00:54.820 one, because I'm going to be plain and forthright in my speech, my answers, and two, in James

00:01:00.500 Lindsay's mind, it'll be a smoking gun because it will seem extreme for any boomer con post-war

00:01:08.160 thinker, especially an atheist, non-Christian thinker. But the answers that I'm going to be

00:01:14.240 giving are not radical or extreme if we look at history, and we look at history a little bit

00:01:21.660 further back than just the last 60 years. So that's what I'm going to be doing today,

00:01:26.180 addressing James Lindsay's questions in regards to Christian nationalism. Before we dive in,

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00:07:44.560 All right, so James Lindsay, he posited multiple questions.

00:07:49.180 I've broken them down into nine specific questions

00:07:52.920 that I'm going to be addressing today.

00:07:54.420 so let's go ahead and dive right in. These are questions posed by James Lindsay for Christian

00:07:59.680 Nationalists to answer. I'm going to try to answer these. Again, disclaimer is that the Christian

00:08:05.940 Nationalist tent is a big tent, so not everybody who wears a label would necessarily agree with

00:08:10.360 the answers that I'm going to be giving. However, I think that most would agree to one extent or

00:08:16.280 another, and the benefit of the answers that I'll give is, although they don't necessarily represent

00:08:21.460 everyone who would describe themselves as a Christian nationalist, at least the answers

00:08:25.860 I'll provide will be clear. They won't be ambiguous. They won't be dodging the questions.

00:08:31.320 I'm going to give actual answers. I am not ashamed. I apologize to absolutely nobody.

00:08:39.900 Yeah, I believe that our nation should be Christian, and I believe that the Bible is

00:08:44.740 God's book, and it's not God's book just given to Christian people, but it is God's book,

00:08:49.440 his law word given to all people all people so i believe that god's law is morally right and that

00:08:56.280 which god deems as morally right is also that which is beneficial and good god is not arbitrary

00:09:02.980 in his law giving he is not capricious everything that he commands is the morally right thing it is

00:09:09.680 also the beneficial and good thing it is that which lends towards the betterment the flourishing

00:09:16.460 of his image-bearing creatures. All right, so all that being said, without further delay, let's go

00:09:22.580 ahead and jump into the first question. Here it is. Sometimes Christian nationalism suggests that

00:09:28.480 we'll have some kind of magisterial state led by Christians. Which Christians? Who has the right

00:09:36.580 theology? Who has the wrong theology? Again, sometimes Christian nationalism suggests that

00:09:43.740 will have some kind of magisterial state led by christians which christians who has the right

00:09:51.020 theology who has the wrong theology the short answer is this creedal not confessional plus

00:09:58.620 the five solas that's my short answer creedal not confessional plus the five solas what do i mean

00:10:06.240 by that. What I mean is that the Christian Nationalist Project is a pan-Protestant project.

00:10:13.780 Just like the Christian heritage that we have now, and at its founding, it was not Mormon,

00:10:21.660 it was not Catholic, it was not Eastern Orthodoxy, it was Protestant. It was Protestant. It was

00:10:29.720 the presbyterians the congregationalists the baptists some lutherans some anglicans but it

00:10:37.600 was a pan-protestant project that's the heritage that we have that's chrysidom 1.0 as it pertains

00:10:45.040 to the americas and the chrysidom 2.0 that i'm advocating for likewise would be a pan-protestant

00:10:53.600 project, and so, therefore, it would be creedal by design, not confessional. What I mean by that

00:11:02.020 is that you would not have reigning as a supreme document in the land the Westminster Confession

00:11:09.100 of Faith or the 1689 Second London Baptist Confession of Faith. You would have creeds

00:11:15.920 that all Christians adhere to, historic creeds that have been universally affirmed by the church

00:11:22.840 for centuries i'm talking about the apostles creed the nicene creed the athanasius creed

00:11:28.580 and because i believe it's pan-protestant pan-protestant i think that catholics will

00:11:34.220 participate in some form or fashion but there will be a distinction between protestants

00:11:38.560 and catholics and i do believe that this christian nationalism this chrysidom 2.0 will

00:11:43.860 largely be a protestant movement because because rome on the books and the council of trent still

00:11:51.500 to this day has anathematized the gospel of Jesus Christ. And I believe that what changes the world

00:11:58.180 is the gospel of Jesus Christ. As Doug Wilson has said, you can draw a straight line from the gospel

00:12:03.840 of free grace to free men to free markets. So I believe it'll be a pan-Protestant project because

00:12:10.820 Protestants, although many have compromised, Protestantism is the defender of the free gospel

00:12:19.980 of grace and so that's why i'm saying it's creedal not confessional so it's not a particular

00:12:24.860 protestant strain the baptist or the presbyterians it's going to be creedal not confessional now our

00:12:31.580 catholic friends will be able to affirm these creeds and that's why i'm saying it's creedal

00:12:38.040 not confessional but we will add with these creeds historic creeds nicene creed athanasius

00:12:43.120 creed you know apostles creed we're not going to add a particular confession that is baptistic

00:12:48.060 or presbyterian or anglican but we will add the protestant mantra of the five solas that we are

00:12:56.300 saved as it pertains to the gospel of jesus christ salvation soteriology we are saved by

00:13:02.380 grace alone through faith alone in christ alone according to the scripture alone to the glory of

00:13:09.300 god alone and any roman catholic who wants to participate with that project is welcome

00:13:14.820 to join us. By God's grace, I believe that there are many Roman Catholics who are saved,

00:13:20.900 and they're saved precisely because they are bad Catholics. They don't actually know what Rome 1.00

00:13:26.200 holds to, and therefore they don't actually hold to those doctrines themselves. They

00:13:31.580 have not anathematized the gospel of free grace, but rather they actually believe what Protestants

00:13:36.980 believe, and they're just a little bit confused. Some of that comes from the fact that Catholic

00:13:42.920 Mass has been in Latin, a language that's dead. I appreciate Latin, but when you're doing your 0.99

00:13:48.140 Mass in Latin until very recently, and nobody even knows what you're saying, I mean, even the

00:13:53.160 phrase hocus pocus, right, it comes from, it's a variation from a phrase that the priest would

00:14:00.380 utter in Latin when he was performing, you know, administering the Eucharist and performing

00:14:05.280 transubstantiation of the bread, literally turning to the flesh and body of Christ, and the wine

00:14:11.280 literally turning to the blood of christ and and so the people knew that this was some kind of

00:14:16.080 they thought it was like a magic trick that's literally where we get the phrase hocus pocus

00:14:20.400 which again to my point just says that most uh not necessarily catholic priests or cardinals or

00:14:27.040 bishops or you know the pope himself but many uh catholic members members in a roman catholic

00:14:33.040 church have no idea what's going on they didn't know back then and and it seems like few actually

00:14:38.000 no uh catholic doctrine now so many catholics will participate in this product project because

00:14:43.380 i think many catholics actually do believe the gospel and they assume that their catholic church

00:14:47.440 does too and i don't know it depends on their particular priest and who knows these days

00:14:53.420 catholics always boast of the fact that you know we have the same doctrine and we all believe the

00:14:57.520 same thing we have so much unity but they can't even agree from one pope to the last pope so

00:15:03.500 I think a lot of that is a bit exaggerated on the unity front so all that being said James first

00:15:09.440 question my answer is you know in terms of you know who decides which Christians are leading

00:15:15.000 who has how do you decide what what is correct Christian theology and what's wrong Christian

00:15:20.760 theology what you do is you try to get to the you know the the bottom common denominator you're

00:15:27.000 trying to say okay here's the gospel we don't do that in our local churches we shouldn't do that

00:15:32.240 in our denominations, right? We shouldn't just constantly lower everything down to the lowest

00:15:37.800 common denominator. We should have robust doctrine, robust preaching, robust trained and developed

00:15:46.500 pastors, all those kinds of things. We should have a biblical bar for church membership in our local

00:15:52.560 churches and our denominations, but at a national level, if we're speaking of the civil magistrate,

00:15:57.180 What should the civil magistrate believe and defend?

00:16:01.300 I think they should believe and defend the historic, universally affirmed Christian faith

00:16:07.980 as defined by creeds, not by any particular denominational confession.

00:16:13.500 And adding to these historic creeds, because I believe that it's a distinctly Protestant movement,

00:16:18.280 will add the five solas as well.

00:16:20.260 All right, there's the answer to the first question.

00:16:22.060 Let's go ahead and move on.

00:16:23.060 number two do we get a state church a christian prince or a christian pope as a ruler the answer

00:16:30.960 is no no um i think that at some level you could perhaps say that we will have christian princes

00:16:38.820 plural not princess but princes that you will have multiple christians fulfilling roles in

00:16:47.160 the civil magistrate that's the only way it's going to happen you're going to have to have

00:16:50.360 civil rulers who actually love Jesus, who actually are born again, who actually have been regenerated

00:16:56.960 by the power of the Holy Spirit, the preaching of the gospel, and are seeking to apply all of Christ

00:17:02.360 to all of life, even in their vocation of being civil rulers, that they want to legislate

00:17:07.120 righteously by what standard? By God's standard, by the scripture. And so you're going to have a lot

00:17:13.120 of Christian princes, but no, you're not going to have Caesarism. You're not going to have one

00:17:18.020 particular Christian prince as a monarch so I think you'll just you'll have a lot of Christian

00:17:23.660 city council members at a local level and you'll have some Christian mayors and you'll have Christian

00:17:28.260 governors and we have a lot of that now but I believe that by God's spirit if this is successful

00:17:33.120 that there'll be a mass move of God's spirit and there will be more conversion and there'll also 0.94

00:17:39.180 be more discipleship right so there's two problems at one level we simply don't have enough Christians

00:17:44.680 and there's simply not enough Christians in America currently.

00:17:48.760 At another level, and I'll get to this a little bit more later on

00:17:51.700 with a more specific question that James asked

00:17:54.440 that addressed this angle of the conversation,

00:17:56.660 but on one level, we don't have enough regenerate people.

00:17:59.660 We don't have enough Christians. 0.91

00:18:00.700 On another level, I think that we have had numbers in our favor in the past, 0.99

00:18:05.800 but it did not benefit us as much as you would think that it would

00:18:10.320 because the numbers that we had were weakened in terms of not quantity, but quality, that we just,

00:18:18.200 we had weak doctrine, we had weak churches. My, you know, in a nutshell, what I keep insisting

00:18:23.600 with some of my G3 brothers that, you know, don't like the idea of Christian nationalism, 1.00

00:18:28.140 and they think that, you know, Christian nationalism is going to, it's going to cultivate

00:18:32.220 and create and be a proponent of nominal Christianity, nominal Christian churches,

00:18:38.520 nominal christian pastors nominal christian preaching a nominal christian gospel that's

00:18:43.360 going to produce nominal christians and a nominal christian culture and some of those nominal

00:18:47.940 christians will be christian in name only they actually they won't just be nominal christians

00:18:51.900 but they'll actually be um believing unbelievers right they will be professing christians who

00:18:57.620 profess christ but do not possess christ they'll actually be unregenerate and i understand that

00:19:02.600 concern i just think that it's it's completely opposite from the reality that the reality is

00:19:08.000 that nominal Christian culture and false converts is not a result of the state being faithful to

00:19:15.140 God's Word. It's a result of the church being faithless to God's Word. The problem in America 0.83

00:19:22.040 isn't that we had Christian laws on the books, which we still do, but it's not that we had

00:19:28.460 Christian laws on the books as it pertains to the state. The problem in America is that our churches

00:19:34.960 began to compromise. So I believe that ultimately nominal Christian culture is the product not of a

00:19:41.640 faithful state, but a faithless church. Nominal Christian culture is the product not of a faithful 0.94

00:19:48.820 state, but a faithless church, right? That's in a nutshell, I think, where me and my G3 brothers

00:19:55.280 disagree. They see something as a problem that I see as a problem too, but we think it's caused by 0.86

00:20:00.040 two different things. They think, don't make the state Christian. If the state is too Christian,

00:20:04.160 then you're going to get you know christians in name only and you'll get some of those but the

00:20:09.080 epidemic of false converts who think they're saved i don't believe is because america in the civil

00:20:15.440 sphere had christian principles and christian thinking and christian legislation i think it's

00:20:21.060 because in the spiritual sphere this the ecclesiastical sphere i should say the church

00:20:26.400 sphere we had um well we had the month the reigning mantra of doctrine divides doctrine divides and so

00:20:33.020 let's just whittle everything down in our churches to the lowest common denominator. Let's have like

00:20:39.560 five doctrines that we'll defend. We'll die on that hill. The virgin birth, which I'll die on

00:20:45.660 that hill. Yes and amen. A bodily resurrection. Yes and amen. But then everything else was let 0.94

00:20:51.720 go, and it became this Billy Graham kind of, you know, just everything was just about personal

00:20:56.360 evangelism. Everybody's doctrine was, you know, an inch deep, right? So we had Christianity that

00:21:02.580 was a mile wide but an inch deep that was not because of a christian state that was because

00:21:08.460 of a compromised church so again the question is do we get a state church no you don't um now you

00:21:16.760 might at at the literal state level like like not the civil church a federal church no you don't get

00:21:23.120 that at the national level you might texas could possibly have a church i think that that would be

00:21:27.720 permitted i don't think it's ideal but i think that right now as it stands i think that that

00:21:32.340 would be legally permitted that texas or new hampshire or whatever uh that they could have

00:21:37.380 a state church but uh you know to use another wilson ism uh he says you know if you have

00:21:42.520 conflicting at the federal and state level if you have conflicting birds right you gotta you got a

00:21:48.140 national bird the bald eagle and in texas you know we've got the mockingbird as our state bird

00:21:52.720 well people don't pick up arms and go to war over you know um eagle versus mockingbird um but they

00:21:59.640 will possibly at least there's a much higher potential that there would be conflict and

00:22:04.500 friction and war over churches denominations confessions of faith right that at the federal

00:22:11.500 level if it's the Westminster confession of faith but then the state of Texas is the 1689 and at the

00:22:18.020 federal level they're starting to try to push on citizens you know in Texas that we have to baptize

00:22:24.040 our infants well then yeah you're going to have a problem so that's why I'm advocating at the

00:22:27.500 national level federal level that it's not confessional denominational is what i'm saying

00:22:31.700 there but it is creedal but we're adding the five solas because it needs to be the gospel if you

00:22:37.200 want to look at the most prosperous places in the world the most prosperous places in the world 0.88

00:22:42.780 you don't track white skin you track the reformation that's what you track you don't 0.79

00:22:48.440 track rome either you don't track the catholic church you track the protestant reformation

00:22:53.680 Where the gospel of free grace goes, it creates free men.

00:22:58.440 It sometimes takes a while.

00:23:00.000 Sometimes takes a while to set the captive free.

00:23:03.240 But the slave is eventually made our brother. 0.77

00:23:06.140 And that's because of the Protestant Reformation.

00:23:08.460 That's because of the gospel of free grace that naturally and logically lends towards free men.

00:23:14.420 And free men build free markets that cause the whole world to prosper.

00:23:19.060 so yes it's going to be a protestant movement but not any particular denomination so no you don't

00:23:24.700 get a state church at the national level federal level you might have literal state churches like

00:23:30.340 texas speaking of states in that sense texas or oklahoma or tennessee even then personally if

00:23:36.520 you're asking my opinion james i would say that i'm not a fan of that um that there would not be

00:23:41.200 a particular uh particular denomination even at the state level certainly not at the national

00:23:46.620 level it's a pan-protestant movement creeds and the five solos in terms of a christian prince do

00:23:53.360 you get a christian prince i think you you get christian princes no you're not going to have a

00:23:57.580 christian prince because we don't have a monarchy in america and i don't think that we have to have

00:24:02.320 a monarchy to be biblically faithful uh to be fair though and this is another thing that boomers will

00:24:07.900 lose their minds with um but to be fair i think if if a theology truly is biblical if it's actually

00:24:15.820 accurate biblical um then then it will work in different places and different times

00:24:24.940 beyond just the united states of america in 2023 so england for instance i know that doesn't really

00:24:34.560 function like a true monarchy uh you know with parliament and all these different things but

00:24:39.220 um i think that you could have their form of government and it could and and that could be

00:24:44.760 that can be done in a faithful biblical Christian way. Or you could have our form of government and

00:24:49.960 it could be done in a faithful Christian biblical way. So our sacred democracy, I don't believe is

00:24:56.860 biblical. If you're trying to defend democracy from the Bible, you're going to have a hard time,

00:25:01.440 right? You're going to come up with all these examples of Saul saying, the people made me do

00:25:05.400 it. Or Aaron who makes a golden calf, the people made me do it. Or this, you know, the people made

00:25:09.000 me do it. The people made me do it. 50% of the population plus one can be wrong. Shocker, I know.

00:25:17.580 But the majority can be wrong. The majority can be wrong. And so, yes, we do want checks and

00:25:22.640 balances. We want accountability. I like that. But our nation is not a raw democracy, praise God.

00:25:29.200 We're a constitutional republic. And yes, we have democratic votes for elected officials,

00:25:34.880 but there are checks and balances it's not a raw democracy and that is by design I mean even the

00:25:40.100 founders did not speak that highly of democracy the founders and the way that they spoke of

00:25:45.260 democracy looks nothing like the way that the modern progressive liberal democrat speaks of

00:25:49.820 democracy today so all that being said you would have many Christian princes you'd have a Christian

00:25:56.580 prince on city council and a mayor and a governor and this and that congressman and senate and you

00:26:01.100 know, the whole nine yards. So you're going to have not a Christian prince, but Christian princes 0.98

00:26:05.640 and a Christian pope. No way. C.A., pan-Protestant movement. You're not going to have a Protestant

00:26:13.960 pope at a national level or even a state level because you're also not going to have

00:26:19.620 confessions in a particular, you know, state church. You're not going to have a state church,

00:26:23.620 therefore you're not going to have a state pope. One other thing to say on that level is there's

00:26:29.260 a dynamic difference i've said this a million times guys don't get it so i'll just keep saying

00:26:32.880 it and maybe eventually somebody will understand there's a dynamic difference between an ecclesiocracy

00:26:38.160 and a theocracy so my position james is that theocracy is inescapable it's not whether but

00:26:44.520 which that that every government every culture every nation is going to have a god above it

00:26:51.200 So I am completely against the separation of Christ and state.

00:26:58.160 I am absolutely for a separation of church and state. 0.89

00:27:03.340 So I would fall in line with Abraham Kuyper and sphere sovereignty, those kinds of, so

00:27:07.980 I see the church and the state as two distinct spheres.

00:27:11.200 And they're supposed to, the church, the state, and the home, families, these function just

00:27:16.020 like we have three branches in our civil government.

00:27:18.100 or even outside of our civil government civil government as a whole you could view as one

00:27:22.980 entity and then there's the church um you know which would be a collection not with the pope

00:27:27.400 sitting on on top you know in charge of everybody but a collection of christians in various

00:27:31.540 part protestant denominations and local churches adhering to you know these universal you know

00:27:37.440 historic creeds and then the five solas but you've got the church over here you've got the state over

00:27:42.080 here and you have households on the other end and so just like we have three branches within the

00:27:46.100 civil government you also can pan out even further like a 30,000 foot view and see that you also have

00:27:52.280 state church and home holding one another accountable now if any of these get too big

00:27:58.160 right we're very aware right now because of our current moment cultural moment in America

00:28:03.100 we're very aware of the danger of tyranny at the state level but statism or caesarism or whatever

00:28:13.340 you want to call it. Totalitarianism in the civil realm is not the only possibility. You can have

00:28:18.980 tyranny with the state, you can have the tyranny with the church, and you can have tyranny with

00:28:24.200 the home, with the family. Tyranny with the church, well, what's an example of that? What

00:28:30.240 do you call that? Well, you call that Rome. You call that indulgences. You call that the incubator

00:28:37.920 that ultimately gave way to the Protestant Reformation and Luther 0.90

00:28:41.440 because you had a tyrannical church.

00:28:44.860 That's part of the reason why Luther partnered so much with the state in his day

00:28:48.640 because Luther, the Leviathan of his day, was not the state so much as it was the Pope.

00:28:54.880 It wasn't a prince. It was a Pope. It was the church.

00:28:57.640 And so he partnered with the state in a lot of ways that I wouldn't be comfortable at this point.

00:29:02.420 So we're all products of our time.

00:29:04.620 So right now we think, well, the only entity that could ever be tyrannical that even has the possibility would be, you know, the state.

00:29:11.100 But a church can be a tyrant, see Rome, and a family can be a tyrant.

00:29:14.620 What's an example of a family being tyrannical and overpowering both the church and the state?

00:29:19.320 Well, you call that a mafia, and that has happened.

00:29:22.480 That's happened in New York, in our country, not that long ago, where, you know, the police were a joke.

00:29:27.760 And at the end of the day, the people who really had the power were certain patriarchs, certain family names, right?

00:29:33.020 they're the ones who were feared, not the state, not the church, but the family. So they can all

00:29:37.180 be tyrannical. So all that being said, no state church, certainly not at the federal level. If I

00:29:42.180 have my way, not even at a state level, Texas, Tennessee, Oklahoma. And therefore there would

00:29:46.980 be no Protestant Pope. And in terms of a Christian prince singular, no, because that's not the form

00:29:54.040 of government that we have. Neither do I think it should be the form of government. I mean, 0.93

00:29:57.680 total depravity is kind of the heartbeat of the American experiment that we need checks and

00:30:02.180 balances. We need to disperse power because people do terrible things, right? That power,

00:30:09.900 absolute power corrupts absolutely. So I would hold to the form of government that we have. I

00:30:14.520 think that that can be done in a Christian way. Therefore, you would have Christian princes,

00:30:19.100 but not a Christian prince. All right. So we'll pick up with question three here in just a moment. 0.99

00:30:23.500 Question three, just to whet your appetite is this. Do we get a three-letter agency

00:30:27.420 enforcing religious laws right with the cia or fbi are you going to have some christian version

00:30:33.480 of the fbi do we get a three-letter agency enforcing religious law great question i'll

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00:32:11.460 All right, so here's the third question from James Lindsay.

00:32:14.680 He asked this, do we get a three-letter agency enforcing religious law?

00:32:19.980 Here's my short answer, no.

00:32:21.860 No police state, you will have far more freedom.

00:32:25.760 That's a short answer, I'll flesh it out now.

00:32:28.500 This will blow a lot of Americans' minds, because Americans aren't that free.

00:32:33.420 Not like we used to be.

00:32:34.940 And so a lot of Americans have no idea how freeing God's law actually is.

00:32:40.480 The book of James says that the law of God is the law of liberty.

00:32:43.260 the law of liberty a law of freedom we have so many uh so much taxation so many regulations so

00:32:52.760 many hoops that we have to jump through today uh that you know the founders of our nation uh

00:32:57.720 they're rolling over in their graves um now at a basic level just speaking you know in terms of

00:33:04.480 principles. Biblical law is, it's not policing, it's penalizing, punishing. There's a difference

00:33:17.100 between a police state versus a state that punishes actual crimes. In Israel, you did not have some

00:33:27.140 large police force going into people's homes and you know lying in wait to try to catch someone

00:33:35.000 in the act so i believe that in a pan-protestant chrysidom 2.0 christian nationalism here in

00:33:42.180 america god willing what i would advocate for what i believe is christian in that regard is that you

00:33:49.200 would actually have a trimmed down police force that would primarily be for emergencies so you

00:33:56.940 would still have you know firemen and you would have ambulances and paramedics and you would have

00:34:01.500 police officers because if someone breaks into your home and you know you need defense right

00:34:09.100 you're going to pick up the phone and there needs to be someone that you could call but that's

00:34:12.560 different than policemen just walking around looking for for trouble looking for a crime

00:34:17.500 looking for something that hasn't taken place yet but you know thinking maybe it will so you

00:34:22.640 would have police at an emergency level but primarily it would not be policing it would be

00:34:29.080 simply punishing. One of the reasons why crime is rampant in our nation right now you know so

00:34:36.420 so everybody you know Democrats they're reversing on this because they realize it's not a good leg

00:34:42.460 to stand on in terms of their chances of being re-elected but it wasn't that long ago just a

00:34:47.800 you know a year two years ago the Democrats were saying defund the police and you know

00:34:52.300 Now they've done a complete about face where they're saying, I didn't say defund the police.

00:34:57.980 We need to fund the police.

00:34:59.540 Well, what you really need to do, what you really need to do is crack down on crime.

00:35:05.320 When someone commits a crime, they should be punished with biblical justice, not social justice.

00:35:11.240 On this point, I think that James and I, at least at some level, would agree.

00:35:16.640 Social justice is the antithesis to biblical justice. 1.00

00:35:22.300 biblical justice there's a reason why lady justice you know she's holding a sword she's 0.99

00:35:26.460 holding scales right in her hand and she's also blindfolded these are the components the key

00:35:32.460 characteristics of biblical justice biblical justice first it's blind it shows no partiality

00:35:37.480 to the rich it also doesn't show partiality to the poor that's what social justice did

00:35:41.300 is it just said hey we're gonna we're gonna show partiality to the poor and that's okay

00:35:45.620 no it's not okay you don't show partiality to anyone you don't show partiality to someone

00:35:51.420 because the rich you also it is the bible literally says you shall not pity the poor you

00:35:57.460 shall not show partiality to the poor so you don't show partiality either way right if some

00:36:01.980 police you know shooting takes place and you have to figure out what skin pigment the police

00:36:08.100 officer has and what you know skin pigment the civilian has before you can determine what is

00:36:15.040 just then you're not doing justice you're doing the opposite of justice you're showing partiality

00:36:21.040 Biblical justice is impartial. Social justice is partial. Biblical justice is also swift. It's

00:36:27.140 swift. It's not delayed. You don't put someone on death row for years and years and years. It's not

00:36:34.040 so swift that you can't actually hold trial. You're going to hold trial, and you're going to do all

00:36:39.740 these things and make sure that the person that's going to be punished for the crime, in fact, did

00:36:46.300 that crime, right? So you'd still have the standards of, you know, beyond a shadow of doubt,

00:36:50.780 and that's a Christian principle as well. Why? Because we believe that this life is not the only,

00:36:56.340 there's a higher court. This life is not the only opportunity that we have in order to seek

00:37:01.100 justice, that at the end of the day, no one gets away with murder. If they get away with murder

00:37:05.940 here, they won't get away with murder before God. They're going to have to stand one day before a

00:37:10.360 just and holy God, and all the inward intentions of their hearts and thoughts will be laid bare

00:37:15.800 before him as the scripture says they won't get away with anything not one crime not one sin not

00:37:21.340 one sinful thought even and so because god is just and everyone eventually comes to justice in one of

00:37:26.940 two ways either they themselves paying the price paying the penalty under the white hot wrath of

00:37:32.380 god eternally in hell or jesus having paid for that on their behalf on calvary on the cross

00:37:38.720 and receiving his righteousness by grace of faith alone,

00:37:43.040 either way, ultimately, justice will be had.

00:37:46.700 God gets justice.

00:37:47.840 That's why, at the end of the day,

00:37:49.040 we would rather see, in our justice system,

00:37:53.960 we would rather see 10 actual murderers go free,

00:37:59.400 go through trial and get off,

00:38:00.820 because we didn't have enough evidence to actually charge them.

00:38:04.120 We'd rather see 10 guys get away with murder

00:38:07.680 than wrongfully putting to death capital punishment which is biblical one innocent man who actually

00:38:14.760 didn't commit murder and that's the way our justice system is designed and that comes from

00:38:20.380 a biblical principle and so I think that's right but we've gone beyond that beyond just you know

00:38:26.040 well we want to give the benefit of the doubt you know a person is innocent until proven guilty all

00:38:30.940 those are good things but we've gone far beyond that to where people actually get away with murder

00:38:36.260 where you know where certain crimes are just not penalized we're soft on crime we're soft on crime

00:38:44.600 so all that being said the way to deter crime the bible literally says if justice is delayed

00:38:51.380 then the people will rebel so one of the ways to deter you can't change the heart through law

00:39:00.500 Only the gospel of Jesus Christ does that.

00:39:02.980 But what the law can do is it can deter, restrain outward manifestations of evil.

00:39:09.280 Good biblical law restrains outward manifestations of evil.

00:39:13.700 And it's not just having good biblical laws, but actually enforcing them

00:39:17.000 and actually having just penalties when these laws are broken.

00:39:22.340 And those penalties need to be not delayed, but they need to be swift.

00:39:26.840 So biblical justice is impartial. 0.66

00:39:28.920 right lady justice is blindfolded um it's also proportional eye for eye tooth for tooth life

00:39:35.380 for life right so um if somebody breaks my arm they don't get the death penalty it's not

00:39:42.780 proportional they also don't get a slap on the wrist that's not proportional so it's impartial

00:39:48.080 lady justice is blind biblical justice is blind but it's also proportional it's also swift it's

00:39:55.700 swift it's not delayed and so i believe that if we did that and we did those things publicly so i

00:40:02.220 i would say that capital punishment is biblical not everything in scripture is you know meriting

00:40:09.780 of capital punishment i would agree with dr joseph boot and other general equity theonomists who have

00:40:15.640 said that it is only with murder that capital punishment is mandated that it's a must that if

00:40:24.000 you do anything less than capital punishment life for life then you're actually breaking the law of

00:40:28.460 god you're sinning so in the case of murder if you take someone's life then you forfeit your own

00:40:34.300 and and that's mandated in other instances as we see in an old testament law i believe that

00:40:41.740 the death penalty is something that may occur it's permissible but it is not mandated it would

00:40:48.900 be a maximum penalty, right? So in the state of Texas, you know, you'll see from time to time a

00:40:54.820 sign that says, you know, if you litter, you're going to get, you know, up to two years in jail

00:40:59.600 or a $5,000 fine, or it might be five years in jail, $2,000 fine. Well, I don't know anybody

00:41:05.560 right now in the state of Texas doing hard time for throwing, you know, a Coke bottle out their

00:41:11.000 car window, right? It's on the books. It's possible. It's permissible, but it's a maximum

00:41:18.460 penalty not the only penalty and so i think that at some level like there's going to be variations

00:41:24.280 like the law that recently was passed uh you know with uganda right that everybody's losing their

00:41:29.300 minds over uh sadly a lot of a lot of christians um many of them christians in name only they're

00:41:35.680 actually just progressive liberals pretending to be christians but they're saying this is

00:41:40.040 disgusting i can't believe this well i mean if you actually look at the law um the death penalty 0.86

00:41:44.880 comes in not just for two adult males who have a private gay relationship. No, it's because of 0.98

00:41:53.980 rape or child molestation. It literally says aggravated homosexuality and then defines what 0.95

00:42:02.100 is aggravated, you know, aggressive homosexuality. What does that look like? It looks like rape. It

00:42:06.700 looks like child molestation. In those cases, I would say, yeah, the death penalty is absolutely

00:42:13.060 an appropriate punishment so all that being said um you know this third question again is you know 1.00

00:42:20.080 do we get three letter agencies enforcing religious law no you actually have far less policing in a

00:42:25.940 christian state than you do in our current godless state the reason why we have so much policing

00:42:32.000 is because uh criminals are not deterred in committing crime because they know at the end

00:42:38.880 of the day they're going to have light penalties but if you take someone who actually does commit

00:42:46.120 a capital offense like murder and you publicly hang them outside the courthouse that doesn't

00:42:52.860 mean that there's no law that says every person every resident in the town has to attend there'll

00:42:58.040 be people who say we're not going to go and watch that we don't want our kids to see that i get that

00:43:02.740 i wouldn't want my kids to see it but it's available that not just the family that's

00:43:08.220 bereaved of a loved one but uh but the whole public right this is a crime against uh against

00:43:14.060 the the public um and at least at some level and so there's a public hanging and it's not 10 years

00:43:20.960 down the line um there's due justice done but if it's you know uh beyond a shadow of of a doubt

00:43:28.040 found through a fair trial that this person actually uh committed murder then they're going

00:43:33.460 to be publicly hung and that's going to happen in a matter of weeks or months not years or decades

00:43:39.280 then uh less people murder the same with other crimes so um it would be more punishing

00:43:47.800 just punishments not not overly severe not inhumane that's another thing uh in biblical

00:43:54.080 law there's no such thing as torture no such thing as torture um christians the the christian

00:44:01.820 doctrine in regards to torture is that torture um is against the law of god that it is immoral

00:44:08.260 because ultimately what it does is it seeks to exact more um more justice than we are allowed

00:44:15.280 to um that is something that only god ultimately can do when it comes to a capital offense like

00:44:22.200 murder um even that you you know the whole goal is restitution right so if somebody steals you

00:44:28.940 don't put them in jail right i mean think of the the logic right so this person stole from one

00:44:34.160 person and the way we're going to handle it is we're going to now we're going to steal from

00:44:37.180 everybody by putting them in jail on tax uh the taxpayer's expense you want to talk about dignity

00:44:44.360 and in what's humane and prisons are are not humane there would be holding cells as people

00:44:49.920 are awaiting trial and those kinds of things um but you're looking at at less police you're looking

00:44:54.700 at far less prisons you're looking at if it comes to assault and certain crimes like that you're

00:45:01.140 looking at the person being not tortured but beaten by rods and i know what you're thinking

00:45:06.900 beaten by rods oh my gosh i can't believe these christian ashley's are so extreme

00:45:10.480 no putting a grown man and treating him like i have a my daughter has a pet tortoise

00:45:15.840 and that tortoise we give the tortoise food and water and it's in a cage and every now and then

00:45:23.840 we let it outside um treating a human being created in the image of god like a pet that's

00:45:29.960 what steals dignity that's inhumane taking a man and saying uh instead of putting you in prison

00:45:36.400 to rehabilitate which never happens uh you can look at the statistics people who go to jail

00:45:41.400 become worse they actually have higher statistical chance after serving hard time of doing crime

00:45:47.380 again because it's not rehabilitating that you're taking one criminal and surrounding them with a

00:45:53.040 bunch of other criminals um it's not a bad company corrupts good morals it's it's not helpful

00:45:58.040 and so treating him like a human being like a man and not an animal and saying you did something

00:46:04.880 wrong and we're going to punish you and it's going to hurt but we're not it's not sharia law

00:46:10.860 right which chops off a man's hand you know where certain laws in india that used to be on the books

00:46:17.180 where now he actually can't make restitution right you don't take the thief and say because

00:46:21.980 you stole instead of working we're going to ensure that you always have to steal and can never work

00:46:27.240 again by chopping off your hand that you need to work with right that is just insane biblical law

00:46:33.880 doesn't allow for that it doesn't allow for torture it doesn't allow for chopping off somebody's hand

00:46:38.100 and it also doesn't allow for treating people like a pet tortoise and putting them in a cage

00:46:42.240 and giving them a little bit of food and letting them have one hour a day of walking outside or

00:46:47.680 whatever and being around a bunch of other criminals where their their their morals are

00:46:51.700 further corrupted um that's that's not biblical law so if it's theft it's double restitution if

00:46:56.920 they can't make double restitution right because all they have is what they stole and they don't

00:47:00.740 have anything else uh then it looks like that's i mean that's the kind of biblical slavery that i

00:47:06.240 would advocate for that's not race-based it's not lifelong it's not inhumane uh but yeah that that

00:47:11.980 person is now going to have to work they're going to give back what they stole but they need to make

00:47:15.540 double restitution um and so that means that their wages are going to be garnished a percentage of

00:47:20.640 their wages for the next you know such and such number of years and in a sense they are at least

00:47:26.280 in a sense temporarily a slave of the one that they stole from in order to make restitution

00:47:32.300 and if it's you know some kind of you know aggravated assault or something like that is

00:47:37.420 beaten by rods if it's a capital offense murder then it's for sure the death penalty um that's

00:47:43.920 the way that's the way it goes um so in terms of a three-letter agency you know uh breaking down 0.96

00:47:49.060 the door of some muslim family and going in their home to see if they're worshiping allah you know 0.93

00:47:53.980 and then dragging them out kicking and screaming no that that that may be um the the boogeyman 0.94

00:48:00.680 christian nationalist that you know that lives under your bed james lindsey um but no there's

00:48:06.420 no serious uh christian nationalist i don't know anybody advocating for that i said serious i don't

00:48:11.960 even need to qualify it I don't know anybody anybody who would claim to be a Christian

00:48:15.920 nationalist talking about going into people's private homes with three-letter agencies spying

00:48:21.860 on people surveillance with people now that's the beauty of biblical law you would be so free you

00:48:27.600 wouldn't even know what to do with the freedom because right now you have so little freedom

00:48:31.560 as an American in our totalitarian secular progressive pagan state that you don't you

00:48:39.300 don't even know what freedom actually is so um next question this is number four it has been said

00:48:45.340 that atheism will not be tolerated and will be stamped out how is that going to be accomplished

00:48:52.220 all right so i'm going to be forthright with you um will atheism be stamped out in christian

00:48:59.280 nationalism if god is gracious and merciful and we are able to restore christian 2.0 will atheism

00:49:07.140 be stamped out yes by god's grace it'll be stamped out you better believe it will atheist

00:49:16.540 be stamped out no but atheism will how is your follow-up how are you going to accomplish this

00:49:24.500 well one of the ways that you accomplish it is you don't have public schools

00:49:28.200 you do not have state-run schools and you certainly don't have god a godless state-run

00:49:36.180 school which is what we currently have so the way that you stamp out atheism is you don't have 1.00

00:49:41.400 teachers unions with a bunch of blue-haired feminists who hate god and hate children i might 1.00

00:49:48.240 add who are state employees paid by tax dollars teaching in public schools and teaching children 1.00

00:49:57.680 that they came from fish instead of being created in the image of god you don't have that what you

00:50:05.720 have is private schools education is privatized the state actually does what god ordained the

00:50:12.720 state to do which is to punish bad guys and praise good guys and that's it punish bad guys

00:50:20.000 and praise good guys and you stop so you have less taxes because you have a smaller government

00:50:27.240 and then when it comes to school well people are paying a lot less in taxes and they can afford

00:50:33.720 to homeschool they can afford to send their kids to a private christian school and those children

00:50:40.940 are taught in those schools truth so what what doesn't happen in a christian nation that i'm

00:50:48.140 advocating for is you don't have state schools and even in the private sector all education

00:50:53.500 will be privatized even in private schools you are not permitted under law you are not permitted

00:50:59.880 to lie to children you're not allowed to tell children that it's simply the survival of the

00:51:07.340 fittest and that they came from fish you're not allowed to lie to kids so atheism would be stamped

00:51:15.800 out because we would stop lying to kids would there still be some atheist sure uh would would

00:51:24.580 Darwinism be taught um yeah it would be taught perhaps on a field trip right for for a week or

00:51:32.700 two in classes you go on a field trip and you you know go to some Darwinian you know museum

00:51:38.660 and uh and and the teacher says look at this this is what people used to think when we had a secular

00:51:45.140 nation you know before God was merciful and sent revival isn't that funny and all the kids we'd 0.99

00:51:50.380 laugh together and have a great time we'd laugh about how stupid atheism is and so everybody would 0.97

00:51:57.600 chuckle and everybody would laugh and they'd take pictures you know next to a statue of darwin 1.00

00:52:01.460 you know and and they'd put captions that said me next to the dumbest person to ever live you know 0.52

00:52:06.120 and it'd be a great time the kids would have a blast um and they would still learn about darwinism

00:52:12.740 at some level but they would not be taught darwinism as though it is a gospel truth the

00:52:18.660 reason why atheism is prevalent is because it's being taught to little kids as though it is a

00:52:24.680 gospel truth, as though it is irrefutable. So that's how it would be stamped out. Again,

00:52:32.060 C point A, right? So my answer to your third question, there's no three-letter agency.

00:52:35.960 There's not this big nanny state, police state, you know, in the same way that we're not rounding

00:52:41.220 up Muslims in their private homes, you're also not rounding up atheists. So atheism is not stamped

00:52:46.860 out by stamping out atheists but atheism as a godless false ideology which it is the ideology

00:52:56.740 is stamped out and the way that it's stamped out is the first step is simply getting education

00:53:02.380 away from the state and back to families education belongs not to caesar but to fathers fathers do

00:53:10.600 not exasperate your children this is ephesians 6 4 but rather train them up in the fear and

00:53:15.520 admonition of the Lord. Fathers, familial fathers are responsible for the provision of their

00:53:20.440 children. That means food. That means clothing. That means shelter. It also means training and

00:53:25.900 education. So that can happen through homeschool or it can happen through fathers taking on the

00:53:31.160 burden, the responsibility of training their children or training and teaching and discipling 0.75

00:53:37.020 their wives so that the wife can homeschool or overseeing their education, choosing which 0.92

00:53:43.460 christian school to put them in which teachers are going to have and working extra hard out of 0.94

00:53:48.940 the home to pay for it and so the first step is you get education away from the state and back to

00:53:55.180 the home and the second step is that you no longer teach children you no longer lie to children

00:54:01.700 and tell them that they came from fish instead what you do is you teach children god's truth

00:54:08.700 you teach them about creation you teach them about what the bible says and that would fall

00:54:13.540 underneath this pan protestant big tent um that that would fall within a creedal paradigm not

00:54:20.440 not confessional not particular to presbyterians or baptists but a christian creedal pan protestant

00:54:26.660 catholics would agree even with this and beyond just protestants um jews would agree with this

00:54:31.960 um so like you would teach them about creation you would say this is the truth about where you

00:54:37.640 came from this is what god says and over the course of history during some of our darker moments

00:54:44.400 when we rebelled against god this is what some people said was the origin story of man isn't 0.93

00:54:51.300 that silly golly that's really silly teacher sure is sally sure is jimmy let's laugh for a moment 0.96

00:54:58.440 okay regain your composure kids i know it's silly but we got to move on with the lesson we can't 0.99

00:55:03.260 laugh at atheism all day long we got to you know move on to math that's how it would be stamped

00:55:08.140 out so yes atheism would be stamped out not atheist but atheism and primarily at the level

00:55:14.540 of education get it away from the state and make education christian which another way of saying

00:55:20.540 that james is make education true don't lie to kids okay number five do you believe in the first

00:55:27.460 amendment all of it good question do you believe in the first amendment all of it my answer is

00:55:33.240 is yes now i think we need to get back to authorial intent so i think yes that the state should not

00:55:41.880 show preference or favoritism to any particular religion now i don't think that the founders had

00:55:49.960 in mind um principled pluralism aka polytheism aka worshiping false gods you can find in some of

00:56:03.240 early documents by founders where it talks about you know religions of our common our one common

00:56:11.660 lord so the first amendment and my assessment is fine i wouldn't be advocating for changing

00:56:18.660 not one change to the constitution not one i'll say that again i'm being really clear my answer

00:56:24.060 is here not one revision to the constitution even with the amendments to the constitution

00:56:30.380 the first amendment I'm fine with it

00:56:32.820 I think it can stay as is but I think

00:56:34.840 it needs to be understood in terms of interpretation

00:56:37.100 and authorial intent

00:56:38.760 that there is no favoring of one particular

00:56:40.840 religion of our common lord

00:56:42.700 that is

00:56:44.280 back to

00:56:46.300 my answer to your very first question

00:56:48.460 you're not showing preference

00:56:50.860 to Baptists you're not showing preference to

00:56:52.720 Presbyterians but yes you are showing

00:56:54.680 preference to the Christian faith 0.99

00:56:56.100 because it's true

00:56:58.480 yes the christian faith would be defended not not necessarily its doctrine but there would be certain

00:57:06.120 privileges that that christian churches for instance would would be able to benefit from 0.83

00:57:14.700 that that muslims would not so are you rounding up muslims in in their homes in their private 0.96

00:57:20.600 residents no um but uh does uh islam get certain tax benefits and write-offs um for for at an 0.51

00:57:31.360 entity not just individual people but um for a mosque or something no of course not no um and

00:57:39.020 that begs the question even what you know could you even erect a mosque um there's some debate

00:57:44.960 within christian nationalist circles about that guys have different opinions i would be of the

00:57:48.780 opinion uh that no um you would not be able at a public level to have mosque i'm open to maybe

00:57:55.160 maybe you could not with tax benefits um not with tax write-offs and those kinds of things they're

00:57:59.760 paying property taxes the whole nine yards um i'm open to maybe there could be a mosque but certainly

00:58:05.160 there would not be as we have right now i forget which city maybe minneapolis i think is what it

00:58:10.040 is but um public citywide um calls to prayer islamic prayer no way could you have church

00:58:17.920 bells in the city that's heard by everyone including the muslims and the atheists uh-huh

00:58:22.260 yep you could have those because the christian church is true could you have uh muslim sirens

00:58:28.660 that everybody hears no you cannot so no it's not equal so yes there would be preference

00:58:35.160 to the christian faith but i don't believe that that's against the first amendment

00:58:39.460 so my answer to your question do you believe in the first amendment yes all of it yes but i

00:58:45.160 believe that it needs to be interpreted uh the way that it was intended um i don't believe that

00:58:50.760 the american uh plan the plan for the american project uh was to have a polytheistic idol

00:58:58.740 worshiping nation i think it was to get away from some of the tyranny in england with particular

00:59:07.580 denominations that were infringing over the rights of christians in another denomination

00:59:13.460 and they wanted to make sure that that didn't happen anymore they wanted to make sure that

00:59:18.080 william laud and high church and you know certain branches of anglicanism and this and that

00:59:22.740 couldn't um tyrannize the baptist or tyrannize the presbyterians or the congregationalists

00:59:28.480 i think that that's what the first amendment is addressing so that's my position on i guess that's

00:59:35.200 question number five number six do gays deserve uh tolerance let me see real quick oh oh back to

00:59:42.640 number five. Here's one thing. So no amendment to the constitution, uh, no revision to the 0.86

00:59:47.360 constitution. The first 10 amendments are great. Many of the later amendments are great. Also

00:59:51.600 equal, uh, protection. Um, the 14th amendment is good. Um, there's no race-based slavery.

00:59:58.060 Slavery is bad. Um, well, I guess I'll get to it later. The 19th amendment, right? That was one of

01:00:05.000 your questions. Can women vote? So I'll give that to that in a minute. Um, but just let the record 1.00

01:00:09.260 state for now. First 10 amendments are good. Most of, you know, uh, the amendments after the first

01:00:14.920 10 are good. The vast majority, um, the constitution itself is great. Uh, one other thing that I would

01:00:20.720 do though, is the first amendment, um, you would just want to interpret that rightly. Um, and maybe,

01:00:26.760 um, I think that it would be, um, I think it would be prudent to adopt a distinctly Christian

01:00:32.620 preamble to the constitution. Um, so at that level, like Zambia, um, so, you know, a distinctly 0.93

01:00:40.240 Christian preamble that again is, um, creedal, not confessional, pan-Protestant with the five

01:00:46.980 solas defending the free gospel of grace that creates free men that create free markets, um,

01:00:52.160 that prosper the war, the world. So, uh, number six, do gays deserve tolerance? If not, uh, 0.96

01:00:57.840 would you want to execute gays? All right. So I've kind of already addressed this with the 1.00

01:01:01.980 police state. So it depends what you mean by tolerance. Do individual gay people who are

01:01:10.960 living a gay lifestyle privately, do they deserve tolerance? Yeah, I think they do. It's a sin, 0.63

01:01:20.200 but there's a distinction between sins and crimes. So not all crimes are sin when people have bad

01:01:27.340 laws for instance that go against god's law and likewise not all sins are crimes you don't have

01:01:32.560 the coveting police you don't have the thought police right you can sin in your thoughts but

01:01:38.980 sinful thoughts are not crimes um and so two gay guys in private uh would there be a certain degree 0.94

01:01:45.880 of tolerance for them yep um would there be tolerance for public displays of sodomy of of

01:01:55.660 same-sex relationships? No. Would there be tolerance for public displays and celebration

01:02:03.780 like gay pride? Absolutely not. Of course not. So would there be, you know, would June be pride 0.99

01:02:11.340 month? No. If you tried to hold a pride event, you would be penalized. There would be strict

01:02:18.900 penalties. You would incur fines. You would, yeah, you would be forced to tear down your

01:02:26.780 sodomy set and go home. You would not be permitted to have a gay parade. You would not be able to do 1.00

01:02:34.400 that. Absolutely not. No, because we love people. We love God and we love people. And the Homo Jihad

01:02:42.880 thought is destroying people it's destroying the fabric of our nation it's destroyed

01:02:47.760 our culture it is a net negative every way you slice it and so no and that's not just the t

01:02:56.060 and the q and the a and the i and the plus by the way but that's the l the g and the b

01:03:02.860 it's the whole the whole shebang so there's a difference distinction between sins and crimes 0.70

01:03:10.200 and so you know in terms of drawing the distinction rule of thumb right rule of thumb is one clear way

01:03:18.100 of distinguishing between sins and crimes is the difference between private and public private 0.63

01:03:23.000 and public in terms of executing gays well I feel like I've already answered that question earlier 1.00

01:03:28.840 talking about that you know life for life capital punishment is required by biblical law with a 0.57

01:03:36.740 capital offense, murder. It is a maximum penalty. It's permissible for something such as a man

01:03:44.320 lying with another man. But it's not mandated, but it is permissible. Again, if that's done

01:03:54.100 privately, you don't have a police state. So you wouldn't know about it. You're not going and

01:04:00.680 trying to round up the gays. But if somebody's throwing a parade, there's going to be strict 0.77

01:04:06.040 penalties and that will not be permitted to happen and there would be something to be said

01:04:10.660 for there being more severe degrees of penalties for repeat offenders so if you have you know

01:04:18.240 some activists who again and again and again is caught trying to lead some sort of sodomy route

01:04:24.520 rally in the public square and influencing the public that this is a good idea and this lends

01:04:30.700 towards human flourishing right the thing that doesn't even you know work with with procreation

01:04:36.580 and and reproduction is is somehow positive for the you know the benefit of humanity and and

01:04:42.080 they're trying to influence people and hold public rallies and public events and and they're a repeat

01:04:47.260 offender then yeah eventually that that could be cracked down on really hard but but the the

01:04:53.540 general sense of just anybody who's not straight is going to get the death penalty no that's the 0.95

01:05:02.060 christian nationalist boogeyman under your bed again got to watch out for that christian 0.94

01:05:06.680 nationalist boogeyman under the bed um so no police state uh the closet here's another thing

01:05:14.620 that i wrote um the closet would be a safe space but it needs to be the closet so let me just say

01:05:21.580 this. The closet is good. Tim Bailey wrote a book a few years ago called The Grace of Shame.

01:05:31.200 The Grace of Shame. It's not whether but which. Every society, every culture will have certain

01:05:37.560 things that are shameful and certain things that are celebrated and esteemed based off of what

01:05:45.860 that culture what that society what they deem as being a virtue or a vice and so i'm arguing

01:05:54.280 from the scripture as a christian that it is a net positive for all of human society

01:06:01.260 for there to be an intrinsic shame attached to lgbtq plus lmnop whatever that is shameful

01:06:14.120 it's supposed to be shameful you're always going to be ashamed of something right now as our nation

01:06:19.220 is rebelling against god and committing apostasy um it's not that shame is going away shame is just

01:06:26.700 shifting the the the scope of shame has shifted from from sodomy to christianity

01:06:38.160 those who believe simply what the bible teaches are now being made to feel ashamed so you're

01:06:46.800 always going to have shame for the record the gospel of jesus christ does not produce a shame

01:06:52.880 free zone it doesn't when adam and eve sinned in the garden it's when god came to them after they

01:07:03.540 had sinned, when God came, they heard him walking through the garden. The Bible doesn't say when God

01:07:08.220 came on the scene, their shame dissipated. No, no. When God came on the scene, when the presence of

01:07:13.640 God came to where Adam and Eve were, then they felt more shame and ran and hid. The presence of

01:07:22.420 God intensified shame for sin. Shame for sin grows. It doesn't lessen. It increases when God

01:07:29.580 is near but what the gospel does is it doesn't create a shame-free zone it doesn't say that

01:07:34.400 sinners shouldn't feel shame what the gospel does is is it deals with shame the presence of god

01:07:40.220 initially increases a sense of shame we call that conviction but then what god does is he

01:07:48.100 heals and covers our shame so when god comes walking in the garden asking adam where are you

01:07:54.660 they run and hide when they hear his footsteps they feel more ashamed with the presence of god

01:07:59.880 not less but the beauty is that what god does is by blood the killing of an animal pointing towards

01:08:06.660 christ the lamb of god who would be slain for the sins of the world god through blood he doesn't

01:08:12.340 say oh adam you have nothing to be ashamed of instead he says you should be ashamed this is

01:08:17.020 shameful but i'm going to cover your shame and by blood atonement the killing of an animal and

01:08:23.220 taking its skin he makes clothing for adam and eve and he covers their nakedness covers their

01:08:28.780 shame so every culture is going to have shame it's not whether but which it's inescapable

01:08:34.060 just like what i was saying earlier theocracy is inescapable every nation is going to have a god

01:08:38.380 just which god are you going to have ecclesiocracy not for that ecclesiocracy a church-run state no

01:08:43.980 separation of church and state is good right judah was given the scepter and and uh and

01:08:51.700 Levi was given the priesthood. So even when Jacob is blessing his sons, there's a division 0.95

01:08:57.200 of church and state. Levi's given the priesthood, Judah's given the scepter. So separation of church 0.77

01:09:02.560 and state, good. No ecclesiocracy, no church-run state. Separation of Christ and state, bad. Why? 0.60

01:09:10.920 Because it's not whether but which. Theocracy is inescapable. There will always be a God above

01:09:15.200 the state or if there's not then the state is god statism is the religion people are are inevitably

01:09:24.040 religious so uh same principle not whether but which um in the same way shame is inescapable

01:09:31.280 and and the christian faith does not create a shame-free zone but through the gospel of jesus

01:09:37.520 christ we actually have shame for those things that are actually shameful things that god says

01:09:42.360 are sin you have shame actually intensified not lessened but intensified that causes people to

01:09:48.120 run to the cross of jesus christ for their shame not to be told that they have nothing to be shamed

01:09:53.600 about but for their shame to be dealt with and covered and atoned for by the blood of jesus so 0.96

01:09:59.900 um again will will sodomites be executed no um a rapist would

01:10:09.320 groomers would and a repeat offender at the public level not sin private but crime public 0.96

01:10:20.580 repeat offender trying to indoctrinate people and hold a bunch of pride events um it may eventually

01:10:27.260 elevate to that level but there would be multiple other opportunities with lesser penalties

01:10:32.260 prescribed at first but the at the bottom level just the individual two guys who are gay 0.94

01:10:37.360 no we're not rallying up the gays it's not a police state but they would stay in the closet

01:10:43.100 because someone shame right it's not whether but which shame is inescapable so in that vein i would 0.87

01:10:50.440 say the closet is inescapable and uh you're either going to have christians in the closet 0.89

01:10:55.820 or you're going to have the gays in the closet and for the glory of god and the good of his 1.00

01:11:02.340 image-bearing creatures, we should have gays in the closet and not Christians, because it's true 0.99

01:11:08.580 and it's better. It brings glory to God, and it's better for God's people and for all people, 1.00

01:11:15.900 all people. So it would be not tolerated in every regard. It would be deemed as shameful.

01:11:23.900 um but there's there's there's a a wide spectrum from complete toleration and celebration of lgbt 0.65

01:11:33.660 you know homo jihad versus every single same-sex attracted person is rounded up by some three-letter

01:11:40.720 christian agency and in given capital punishment again that's the christian nationalist boogeyman 0.95

01:11:46.680 who lives under your bed but doesn't actually exist okay so let's keep going number seven now 0.93

01:11:53.080 we've got three more number seven do you prefer to live in a community of mainly only white people

01:12:00.140 do you believe black people can be integrate integrated successfully into the american

01:12:05.900 population and form a cohesive and peaceful nation all right here's the short answer that 0.91

01:12:11.640 i wrote and i'll flesh it out i prefer to live with christian americans skin pigmentation is

01:12:18.660 of no account many black people in america can trace their lineage as americans further back

01:12:25.760 than i can illegal immigration however would be stopped and legal immigration would be

01:12:33.340 significantly mitigated that's my answer so i'm assuming this question is coming from

01:12:41.840 a poor reading of stephen wolf's book the case for christian nationalism

01:12:46.820 um but yeah i again i just yeah i i think i think it's um i don't know i want to say it's a silly

01:12:57.980 question but i get how james would ask this question because there are there are some real

01:13:03.420 racists i don't see i don't think stephen wolf is one of them for the record uh but there are

01:13:07.900 some legitimate racists who are coming out of the woodwork and saying yeah christian nationalism

01:13:11.780 white power and you know and then i'm like well no wait a second i like christian nationalism

01:13:17.900 what was that what was that last part that you said white power no that's not my team that's no

01:13:23.920 um it's funny that black people are mentioned um right with every ethnicity you know that we

01:13:32.180 have in america that black people are mentioned um black people are in many regards the most

01:13:38.660 american people in the nation and if we're talking about just tracing back your lineage

01:13:43.800 not all black people i mean there can be first generation you know people from nigeria who just

01:13:48.820 moved here yesterday right but what i'm saying is those who descended from from slaves in america

01:13:54.420 they can trace their lineage for for since the founding of this country in a way that plenty of

01:14:00.900 white people can't. So yes, black people are American and many black people by God's grace

01:14:09.460 are also Christian. And so Christian nationalism and black people in America seems to work just 0.94

01:14:15.560 fine. But would you have a bunch of people crossing the border illegally? No, no, there

01:14:24.360 would be strict penalties and punishments for that. And that would be stopped immediately,

01:14:29.580 immediately and even with legal immigration would you allow for two million legal immigrants annually 1.00

01:14:37.840 to come into the nation no no you wouldn't one of the reasons why our nation is imploding

01:14:44.420 is not because of black people that's not the christian nationalist argument at least 0.73

01:14:48.620 not not the leaders within christ i'm sure there's some french people who are genuinely

01:14:53.360 racist but it's it's not because we have different ethnicities it's because you have people who don't

01:14:59.560 love Jesus and they don't love America you have people most of them aren't black most of them are

01:15:05.620 some I don't know what was plenty of them are white and then some of them are Latino and you 0.99

01:15:10.260 know some Mexican and whatever but you got a lot of people who are coming into the country illegally

01:15:15.640 and then you also have people coming in legally but they're not they're not coming because they

01:15:19.480 love America they're not going to fight in any of our wars to defend our freedom this isn't their

01:15:25.540 home they don't love us they're not willing to fight for us or die for us and and they don't

01:15:31.800 love jesus they're not christian so so no we you in a christian nation in a christian america you

01:15:40.620 would not allow for um idolaters to flood the borders and come in and get to vote no um but

01:15:52.620 that's not about skin pigment they can be white idolaters or brown idolaters or black idolaters

01:16:00.120 is it no the bottom line is um that first we need as a nation we we need to let the dust settle for

01:16:07.940 a little while um you can't you we're just it's not sustainable it is not sustainable it's another

01:16:17.160 doug wilson ism um he said you know adoption is a wonderful beautiful thing it's a picture of the

01:16:22.720 gospel um if a family has three biological children and then they adopt one child or two

01:16:29.300 child children or even three children um and provide for all the children both adopted and

01:16:35.260 biological um faithfully and lovingly and train them up in the fear and admonition of the lord

01:16:40.460 then beautiful but if a family has three biological children and they adopt 45 kids

01:16:46.300 well that's not good for the three biological children or for the 45 adopted children it's

01:16:53.440 not sustainable and so yeah we need to change something but it's not because you know there's

01:17:00.220 something inherent to ethnicity that white people are superior or black people are superior or no

01:17:07.060 it's not about color it's not about pigment and it's it's not about that it's about um we need a

01:17:14.280 In our nation, you can't sustain, you cannot survive without a commonality, shared virtues,

01:17:22.440 shared history.

01:17:24.360 We need, I need my grandkids 50 years from now.

01:17:29.500 I need my grandkids and their neighbors to be able to look at each other and say, hey,

01:17:39.340 both of our grandparents fought in the same wars.

01:17:44.280 and had similar traditions and that's what we we had that in america we had that and so yeah i

01:17:53.600 think we need to return to that not return to racism not return to separate but equal and

01:18:01.180 jim crow law i'm not saying that right we that's that's a bug not a feature we want to work that

01:18:06.680 out there would be no place for sinful ethnic partiality in a christian nation

01:18:13.380 there weren't and so a christian america would be red and yellow black and white they are precious

01:18:19.200 in the sight jesus loves the little children um there would be diversity in terms of skin pigment

01:18:26.260 but there would be a shared culture we're americans and we're christians we're americans

01:18:33.140 and we're christians and we came in legally and we also came in slowly and so i i think that for

01:18:40.120 the next 20 years minimum i would argue from 20 to 50 years if we're going to right the ship in

01:18:46.560 terms of immigration we would have to absolutely crack down on illegal immigration and we would 0.97

01:18:53.180 have to severely mitigate even legal immigration and the people who are coming to america need to

01:18:59.720 love america not just that they hate the country they're leaving but they need to love this country

01:19:04.980 that they're coming to and over time through revival and preaching and God changing the hearts

01:19:11.440 of the people there would also be an embrace of yeah you need to love America and you need to love

01:19:16.540 Jesus right your people will be my people and your God will be my God but if that happens in the 0.50

01:19:27.020 mercy of God and the final score for lack of a better word is that the nation is 40% white people

01:19:33.720 and 30 black people and you know and another 30 latino but their love they love america they're

01:19:40.640 here legally um they're not looking for a handout they're looking for work and to contribute and

01:19:44.840 they love jesus great love it that's great um all right let me move on let's see number eight

01:19:53.180 since it's a small minority view christian nationalism how will it be implemented will

01:19:59.380 you win over the population if so how will it be forced if so how and by whom all right my short

01:20:06.880 answer that i wrote here is uh it would be top down and bottom up i know you're not going to

01:20:14.100 like that james but uh it is both and this is where i would differ with some guys wearing the

01:20:19.160 christian nationalist hat you know some guys are saying oh no it's just bottom up um it's just a

01:20:24.600 mass move of god's spirit and revival um it can't be anything less than that we we need revival

01:20:29.300 right? Steve Day says revival or bust. So yeah, we need a mass move of God's spirit. We need,

01:20:34.700 I prefer the word reformation to revival, but we need something. And that's going to come by

01:20:39.560 planting individual churches and raising up individual pastors and preaching the gospel

01:20:44.320 and seeing God convert individual hearts and discipling them and all these different things

01:20:49.840 and taking back institutions at an organic grassroots level by Christians being discipled

01:20:55.800 and being Christian in the arts and Christian in medicine and Christian and all these different

01:21:00.960 things. So that's the grassroots bottom-up kind of thing. And that's inescapable. That's just

01:21:08.920 the Great Commission being successful over time, which I believe because I'm post-millennial.

01:21:13.220 So yeah, you got to have that. There's nothing less than that. However, this is where I would

01:21:18.600 insist, not saying that it's top-down to the exclusion of bottom-up, but that it's both-and,

01:21:25.040 not either or but both and and the reason why is um because the sodomites with less than three

01:21:30.920 percent of the population over the course of 40 years replaced the american flag with a rainbow

01:21:35.720 and they did it on the white house and we just saw it last week 0.66

01:21:38.940 so don't tell me that that a minority small group of people can't change the fabric of a nation

01:21:48.060 their laws their culture their customs now the minorities can make changes can reform the fabric

01:21:59.120 of a culture of a nation and and you don't have to take up arms to do it so so when i say top down

01:22:08.140 i'm not talking about um i'm not talking about taking up weapons physical literal weapons but

01:22:15.520 i'm saying yeah i i think that it's both it's preaching the gospel god has to save a bunch of

01:22:19.840 people but you see here's the thing and i said this early i'll say it again we have christians

01:22:23.580 have had numbers on our side in the past but the problem is um that although we were a mile wide

01:22:30.140 we were an inch deep we had quantity but not quality so you just had a bunch of weak billy

01:22:37.100 graham gospel only gospel exclusivism gospel myopticism christians that despise god's law

01:22:44.700 thought the law of god is the bad guy and grace is at odds with law and just terrible terrible

01:22:52.420 terrible theology and that's how we got here we didn't get here just because oh we you know only

01:22:56.700 10 of the population is christian no we had a lot of christians sure some of them were in name only

01:23:01.880 some of them were false converts but i think we had a lot of christians i think there was a time

01:23:05.520 not that long ago where we had a lot of christians and i'm talking about true regenerate heart

01:23:09.580 christians but but they were theologically weak they weren't discipled they weren't discipled

01:23:16.100 and so what i'm saying is it's it's bottom up we need more christians but it's not just bottom up

01:23:20.680 it's also you got to take the christians that we have right now today and teach them teach them

01:23:27.460 about biblical law teach them about christian nationalism teach them about general equity

01:23:32.760 theonomy and teach them about this and teach them about that all of christ for all of life

01:23:37.000 and tell them that they don't have to wait,

01:23:39.700 that we pray earnestly and work towards,

01:23:42.100 as far as it depends on us,

01:23:43.680 we are praying and working towards revival,

01:23:46.180 but we don't have to wait for revival

01:23:47.720 because God may or may not send it.

01:23:51.120 So what we do is we pray and work towards revival,

01:23:53.820 but we also get to work

01:23:56.120 in whatever sphere of life that the Lord has appointed us.

01:24:00.780 So if Christians are the minority right now, 0.99

01:24:04.100 well the lgbt homo jihad was the minority not that long ago and in 40 to 50 years 1.00

01:24:14.140 starting with far less than three percent of the population they changed the fabric of our society 0.88

01:24:21.940 and and they didn't do it by picking up automatic weapons and shooting people 0.84

01:24:34.100 started doing that recently at least a couple transgender individuals sadly not saying it

01:24:43.220 represents everyone but i'd be remiss if i didn't say that you know that is happening a little bit

01:24:50.020 and i don't think it's a coincidence that said in general though no it was not a physically

01:24:58.920 violent movement but a minority movement that was organized and strategic and shrewd had a plan

01:25:08.740 one of the reasons why progressives beyond just the lgbt whatever liberals democrats one of the

01:25:16.000 reasons that they've been so successful is because they're post-millennial whereas most

01:25:22.660 conservatives and christians are dispensational premillennial we didn't play the long game

01:25:29.300 right when you think jesus is coming back next thursday well

01:25:32.740 who cares about institutions you know and so yeah so i i think it's both move of the spirit

01:25:42.180 bottom up grassroots preaching conversion discipleship great commission going forth

01:25:47.900 and god's word not returning void it's that and in the meantime as we're working and praying

01:25:53.260 towards that it's also taking the christians we have currently a minority but working hard not

01:25:58.700 violently but working strategically just like progressives did and knowing that they were

01:26:06.100 successful because they played the long game and had a plan and i think that we in that sense could

01:26:12.480 take a page out of their book which is really our book if it wasn't for Schofield and Darby

01:26:18.340 misinterpreting our book aka the bible over the last 150 years dispensationalism like

01:26:23.920 you know complementarianism I said complementarianism needs to die so does

01:26:28.180 dispensationalism so all right number nine how patriarchal is the last one how patriarchal will 0.99

01:26:36.800 the system be can women vote will they have to cover their heads stay home all right this is what

01:26:44.760 i wrote with that um you've got a few questions here and i understand you you just you want to

01:26:50.740 know um so uh will women have to cover their heads no no i i'm a head covering guy i just forwarded

01:26:57.720 a book by dale partridge on covering heads um so i'm pro head covering um but i'm pro head covering

01:27:04.580 at church i'm not that's it that's that's what first corinthians 11 says it doesn't say that a

01:27:10.560 woman needs to cover her head all the time as she's at home or in in public or at the grocery

01:27:16.360 store it's in worship and worship so um and even then here's here's the irony if you come and

01:27:22.300 worship at my church covenant bible church in central texas covenant bible.org check it out 1.00

01:27:26.840 the majority of women don't cover their head now every week that goes by i notice that maybe

01:27:32.580 one other does but i have yet to talk about it a single time since the founding of the church

01:27:38.640 from the pulpit i've talked about it in a couple podcasts and i forwarded a book on it and so the

01:27:45.140 church knows my position um but i don't enforce it and little by little people are being won over

01:27:52.000 but again your question will women have to cover their heads in society no ironically even in church 0.95

01:27:58.620 which I do believe is biblical, even then, would it be commanded? Would it be forced? No. No,

01:28:05.100 because it's pan-Protestant. There's different denominations. They're different. So no,

01:28:08.820 definitely no to the women covering their heads. Would they have to stay home? Again, 0.98

01:28:12.000 legally? No. No, of course not. But in a Christian nation, by God's grace, I would hope that more

01:28:21.120 women would be able to stay home. A lot of women right now, the problem isn't that they have to 1.00

01:28:26.000 stay home the problem is that there's a lot of women who want to stay home and can't because 1.00

01:28:30.480 feminism complementarianism dispensationalism and now a third one feminism needs to die 1.00

01:28:37.220 and feminism has so wrecked our culture it's even wrecked our economy you know who loves feminism 0.99

01:28:43.340 men bad nefarious men and not just men who are looking for cheap sex but also

01:28:52.060 men who are looking for cheap labor right if you want to the biggest advocates of feminism are

01:28:58.420 fortune 500 male ceos why because little by little like all of a sudden you know if a man is working 0.78

01:29:06.420 hard at his job and doing good work and and his wife they just had their fourth kid and he goes

01:29:10.600 to his boss and hasn't had a raise in three years and it says i you know i scheduled a meeting and

01:29:15.480 i made a case i just want you to hear my quick 10 minute pitch for why i think i merit a raise

01:29:19.640 and i'm doing more work and i'm doing good work and blah blah blah you know the boss may not

01:29:23.400 verbalize this and say this out loud you know but at some level what he's thinking is

01:29:27.660 what what gives you the unmitigated gall the audacity to think that your wife should be so

01:29:37.640 privileged as to say stay home and be a mom to your kids you're saying that i'm not paying you

01:29:43.100 enough to be a single income family that's a luxury you're not entitled to that being a single

01:29:49.920 whereas once upon a time in our nation um virtually every household was single income

01:29:56.400 and you could own all right now granted they were more frugal they weren't going to starbucks every

01:30:01.860 day and spending six dollars on a cup of coffee right they were drinking Folgers that's all they

01:30:06.520 had and it was disgusting but they didn't know any better and they liked it they drank it right

01:30:10.640 So you're drinking Folgers, but they owned their home, and they had one car instead of 0.84

01:30:16.020 three, but they owned the car, and the wife could stay home with the children, and the

01:30:20.140 husband would go to work, and they'd still be able to do a vacation once a year. 1.00

01:30:25.540 And women were statistically happier than they are today, since feminism has taken deeper 1.00

01:30:31.260 root. 0.96

01:30:31.880 So would women have to stay home legally in a Christian nation? 1.00

01:30:34.800 No. 1.00

01:30:35.000 women would be allowed to work but by god's grace in a christian nation eventually that would shape 1.00

01:30:41.860 the culture and eventually just like feminism did anti-christian shape the culture and eventually

01:30:46.720 that shaped the economy that makes women now have to work well christian nation would work 0.99

01:30:51.800 backwards in such a way that that it would not only shape the culture but it would shape the 0.92

01:30:57.740 economy to where women could work but many of them would choose not to and could afford not to

01:31:03.560 and by golly they would probably be happier so yeah women would do just fine in a christian 0.77

01:31:10.700 nation um now addressing you said will they have to cover their heads i did that stay home i did 1.00

01:31:17.040 that uh the last one that you said is can women vote my wife votes um yeah women can vote and

01:31:24.200 women should vote so long as it's legal for them to do so um i believe that women what i always tell

01:31:30.880 women and christian women as i said you need to vote along with biblical values and virtues you

01:31:36.660 need to vote cast your vote according to the bible and if you're married to a godly man that

01:31:41.780 means you're casting your vote with him you are strengthening the household vote now that said

01:31:46.460 i believe in representative government i don't believe in a raw democracy i believe in a

01:31:52.860 constitutional republic and representative government um i believe what i'm getting at

01:31:58.320 particularly as it pertains to your question James is I believe in a household vote we're

01:32:04.140 all represented by someone it's not crazy I believe I am patriarchal I believe patriarchy

01:32:11.420 father rule and so yes I believe that there should be each household gets one vote and the head of

01:32:18.700 household who would be the husband slash father he's the one who casts the vote and he's casting

01:32:24.920 that vote not just on behalf of himself but on behalf of his wife and his children he is

01:32:29.960 representing them he's the one who goes to war if there's a war he's also the one who casts the vote

01:32:35.860 when there's a vote and i believe that that's a good thing a single woman who's an adult but not

01:32:43.160 yet married she would still fall underneath her father's vote until she's married for that matter

01:32:49.480 if you want to get real technical i'll get real technical um the bible says for this reason a man

01:32:55.500 should leave his father and mother and cling fast to his wife so a man an adult man but who is not

01:33:02.560 yet married a single adult man he could literally leave his father's home and get his own place and

01:33:08.760 have a job and all these kinds of things start storing up saving up getting ready for marriage

01:33:12.540 whatever's going on. But in a biblical sense, covenantal sense, I might say, he has not truly

01:33:22.240 left his father and mother. The reason for leaving is to cleave fast to your wife. And so my position 0.65

01:33:29.800 is that a single adult man would not get a vote either. It would be married men who are land 0.98

01:33:36.820 owners they have a vested interest in society in the nation and the republic and they represent

01:33:45.520 there are people depending on them right cultures and societies are built with by men who have

01:33:53.080 mouths to feed that's how you get that's how you get society it's built by men it's not built by

01:34:00.780 women it's built by men and it's built by men who have skin in the game who have people who

01:34:06.700 are counting on them. Are there abuses with patriarchy? Yeah. And, and any of those abuses

01:34:14.140 that are physical abuses that, that we are aware of, um, they should be penalized by

01:34:22.360 the extent of the law. But patriarchy is a good thing. I'm not going to throw out the baby with

01:34:29.480 the bathwater um so who gets to vote married men a single man uh he would fall underneath his 0.94

01:34:36.540 father's vote as well as a single woman would for this reason the reason that a man leaves his

01:34:41.560 father and mother in the truest sense he could physically leave their house and get an apartment

01:34:44.780 or whatever um but truly leaving the headship of his father um is to cleave to a wife to start his

01:34:52.560 own household he he has truly left the father's household when he begins his own so it would be

01:34:57.700 married men who are landowners, and I would even go further than that. I would be totally down for

01:35:02.920 some kind of system where the more members of the household, the more dependents you have,

01:35:09.200 that your household vote is stronger. I don't know exactly how to do that, but I would be open

01:35:17.180 to that idea that a man who has a wife and eight children that he is providing for, not eight

01:35:23.720 children he's abusing, right? So C point A, he would be penalized. He would be a criminal, right?

01:35:28.480 And so he would not be able to vote as a criminal if he was abusive to these children. But he has

01:35:33.060 eight children. He's providing for them well. He has a wife. He's providing for her well and loving

01:35:37.520 her as Christ loved the church, all those kinds of things. And so it's a household of 10, right?

01:35:41.220 The father, the mother, and eight children. That household, he's representing more people. So just

01:35:47.040 like the electoral college, right? It'd be a miniature version of that, right? If a state

01:35:50.940 has a larger population it gets more electoral votes um same thing with households um and women 0.99

01:35:57.200 are getting a vote in a sense um in the sense that uh they they are being represented by the 0.67

01:36:05.880 one man in the whole entire world who loves them the most and and are some of those husbands bad

01:36:13.720 and don't love their wives like there's sure but again in a christian nation by god's power and

01:36:20.220 his spirit over time on the whole on the whole you would have godly husbands and representative

01:36:28.980 government is not oppressive it's not and there's nothing in the bible that says that a woman must

01:36:35.200 be able to vote in a civil election and for the record um splitting the household vote that's 0.93

01:36:42.320 ultimately what women's suffrage did a few things have caused more suffering for women than women's 0.95

01:36:47.420 suffrage ironically and what women's suffrage did in the 19th amendment is it split the household 0.99

01:36:54.200 vote and that along with no fault divorce and it's it destroyed the family which destroyed the

01:37:02.260 nation and so no i don't think that was a good idea um i don't think that that was biblical um

01:37:08.540 i don't think that that's the first thing on the list right so as i'm working towards a christian

01:37:13.040 nation um my list of the you know the top 250 things that need to be accomplished repealing

01:37:21.500 the 19th amendment doesn't make the list um but if you're asking me i'm just trying to be honest

01:37:26.660 with you asking these questions a lot of christian nationalists are giving you the runabout

01:37:29.640 they're not giving you uh you know it's ambiguous it's vague they're not giving you an answer so

01:37:33.140 i'm gonna you know i'm gonna be honest and give you an answer um yeah i think eventually by god's

01:37:37.780 grace the 19th amendment goes it goes and uh and i don't think that's oppressive certainly not

01:37:45.740 unbiblical and i think that's just fine and i think that it would probably happen you know

01:37:50.480 likely 100 years from now not anytime soon and in the meantime um i think that every christian

01:37:57.900 woman who's listening to this right now um you need to vote because your husband your household

01:38:04.580 needs that vote right so um we we can't have christian households vote so don't be an ideologue

01:38:12.380 um i have to say this to christians christian nationalists and you know christian you know

01:38:18.000 patriarchal guys or trad wives you know they're they're good folks they're good folks and i'm

01:38:22.820 one of them and i'm not ashamed to be one of them i'm proud um to speak to these people to

01:38:29.540 pastor these people to love these people they are the salt of the earth they're good people

01:38:33.780 by god's grace but they do need to be reminded from time to time um not to be overly idealistic

01:38:40.080 not to be ideologues so uh well i think you know that maybe women shouldn't vote in civil elections

01:38:45.480 and so um you know i told my wife to stop voting please please don't please don't because what

01:38:51.780 you're doing right now is you're saying that the pagan him and his wife get two votes and now

01:38:56.120 you're going to have one you just cut your household vote in half don't do that so um

01:39:02.680 i i'm with you i i i think that women's suffrage split the household vote and turned women against

01:39:10.480 their husbands and statistically we would not have one democrat president in the last 50 years

01:39:15.840 if women couldn't vote 1.00

01:39:17.980 so we're talking about dead babies 0.99

01:39:22.420 we're talking about uh same-sex marriage mirage we're talking about a lot of nasty stuff

01:39:31.900 um that i i'm not trying to be hashtag based right now i'm just trying to be honest and i'm

01:39:38.220 trying to be humble about it i really am i'm trying to be biblical um if women could not vote

01:39:44.100 and you would not have one democrat president in the last 50 years

01:39:48.700 women have a different nature than men it's not just different roles but the difference in roles 1.00

01:39:59.020 stem from a difference in design it's not male and female roles he assigned them

01:40:03.760 it's male and female he designed them we are different in our design and it's not just

01:40:12.000 physical that men can bench press and women have hips and can birth babies that's one difference 0.97

01:40:20.300 but the bible is very clear that the reason why a woman should not exert authority over a man

01:40:25.360 is not just the order of creation that man was formed first and that woman was from second and

01:40:32.140 she was made from man and for man it's not just the order of creation but it's also the order of

01:40:37.940 the fall the woman fell first and that the man who is more not less but more morally culpable

01:40:47.300 than his wife than eve was he's more responsible because he's the head he's a leader and though

01:40:55.200 because he sinned with his eyes wide open it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner

01:41:00.180 but adam was not deceived and that doesn't let him off the hook that like i just said he's more

01:41:05.360 responsible. But the difference in nature, not just assignment of roles, but difference of roles

01:41:13.980 in assigning, God assigning roles that stems from a difference in his design. In nature, that

01:41:18.940 difference is not just physical differences, but women, I do believe, are more susceptible

01:41:24.480 to deception than men. I'm speaking in generalities. Can you find one woman who can out

01:41:30.140 bench press one man? Of course. Of course. And can you find one woman who's less susceptible to 1.00

01:41:38.500 being deceived than one man? Of course. And you can find a lot more than that. You can find

01:41:42.540 hundreds, thousands of women who are less deceived than thousands of men. But in general,

01:41:49.500 on the whole, men are physically stronger than women. And I believe that men are more resilient

01:41:55.660 towards being manipulated, emotionally manipulated and deceived than women. On the flip side, 0.97

01:42:01.980 women are also more nurturing, more hospitable, more inviting, more sympathetic than men.

01:42:10.740 And you need that. You need that. Men need women. Society needs women,

01:42:16.580 but not for leadership. Those are not the qualities that you need for leadership. 1.00

01:42:21.320 so i believe that god has called men to lead and one of the distinctions between soft

01:42:28.700 complementarianism which is a very ancient doctrine it traces all the way back to 1988

01:42:34.280 with wayne crudem and john piper versus biblical patriarchy which is the reigning dogma of the last

01:42:39.380 2000 years one of the differences between these two things complementarianism and biblical

01:42:43.900 patriarchy is that complementarianism says the only distinction in terms of design there's

01:42:48.760 distinction in roles but the only distinction in design between men and women is physical

01:42:52.880 whereas patriarchy says no no even at the level of design nature there are differences besides just

01:43:00.060 who can put up more lbs on the old bench press and who has hips and who can have children 1.00

01:43:07.200 no there are other other distinctions one of the things that a woman is called to

01:43:12.560 in first peter chapter three is a gentle and quiet spirit so can a woman be loud 0.98

01:43:18.520 and fight be aggressive and put that progressive man in his place um um but she's not supposed to 1.00

01:43:28.760 when a woman does that she's actually going against her nature 1.00

01:43:35.780 women were not made to be in the public square exercising polemical language

01:43:42.120 even against bad guys men were made to do that men sit not just as elders in the church

01:43:49.640 but men are called to sit in the city gates as elders men men fight and certainly that means

01:43:59.060 physical fighting going to literal war but it also means deliberating and defending against

01:44:04.920 ideologies in the city gates governing caring watching over the people their hearts their

01:44:12.360 minds that is an innately masculine thing and i think that voting is a part of that i think it is

01:44:19.400 and uh yeah so less dead babies

01:44:24.700 uh less gay marriage not one democrat president in the last 50 years

01:44:32.960 um yeah repeal the 19th amendment do it tomorrow no is it the first thing on the list no does it

01:44:43.420 make my top 250 things on the list no but it is on a list i do believe it's biblical the church

01:44:51.680 lives in the light of eternity therefore can afford to be patient and we're not idy long so

01:44:55.560 in the meantime christian women vote don't cut your household vote in half you should vote

01:45:01.460 my wife is going to vote as long as she can and she's doing that at my request and she's voting

01:45:08.980 with me and i'm voting with the bible choosing the lesser of two evils in most cases according

01:45:16.160 to what standard by what standard the bible god's law all right so there you go james i'm sure this

01:45:23.580 is a smoking gun for you because um well because i actually answered your questions but the reason

01:45:31.360 i actually answered your questions is because i just want to be clear for everyone listening

01:45:35.560 um that there's nothing to be ashamed of but people hate this episode i know they will

01:45:42.180 people hate this episode and it'll be clipped up and it'll go around on twitter and instagram

01:45:46.860 and christians will hate it some of them will be christian in name only and some of them will be 0.99

01:45:52.400 just you know genuinely regenerate christians who are dumb and wrong and immature but um 0.99

01:45:57.880 yeah so it'll get plenty of hate but i want to prove to you james lindsey and to everyone 0.99

01:46:04.160 listening that there are answers to these questions and that the christian nationalists

01:46:08.880 should answer them and not be ashamed to answer them right because it's either right or it's

01:46:14.520 wrong it's either true or it's false it's either good or it's bad i'm a christian nationalist

01:46:19.820 because i believe it's good i believe what god deems as the right thing is also the good thing

01:46:26.820 So I'm not going to blush and I'm not going to kowtow and I'm not going to be ashamed of what I believe the Bible teaches because I believe what the Bible teaches is that which is morally right and brings glory to God, but also that which is beneficial and good for people.

01:46:45.260 and i love god first and foremost but i also love people and even unbelievers

01:46:52.580 atheist people would do better in a nation that submits to god's law than a nation that's pagan 0.84

01:47:00.260 and progressive and secular that just replaced the american flag with a homo jihad banner

01:47:07.880 so that's it for me today i'm pastor joel webin with right response ministries thanks for tuning in

01:47:15.260 We'll be right back.

The NXR Podcast - June 16, 2023

BONUS EPISODE - Atheism Will Be Stamped Out ｜ Responding To James Lindsay’s Questions About Christian Nationalism

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