The NXR Podcast - BONUS EPISODE - Christian Nationalism Vs. Zionism

00:00:00.840 All right, welcome back to another live Monday with yours truly, Pastor Joel Webin.

00:00:06.320 I'm the host here with Right Response Ministries, and I'm going to be discussing a little bit

00:00:11.280 of Zionism and Christian nationalism and the distinctions between the two, talking about

00:00:16.800 Israel under the Old Covenant and how that is different than nations today, including

00:00:21.280 the nation of Israel today.

00:00:23.140 Israel today is not Israel under the Old Covenant.

00:00:26.100 There's a dynamic difference between the two.

00:00:28.200 So I'm going to talk about Old Covenant Israel and talk about what I mean and what others like me in our camp mean when we say that nations should kiss the sun today, pay homage to King Jesus, that they should be Christian today.

00:00:41.620 So we're going to get into that. We're going to use a host of different texts.

00:00:44.340 We're going to be looking at Joshua chapter 10, verses 29 through 43.

00:00:49.260 I'm preaching through the book of Joshua right now at the church where I pastor.

00:00:53.120 that's Covenant Bible Church in Central Texas. We're in Georgetown, Texas, about 45 minutes

00:00:58.040 north of Austin. If you're looking for a church and you're somewhere in the Central Texas area,

00:01:02.080 come check us out. Go to covenantbible.org, covenantbible.org. So we're going to use the

00:01:08.320 text from Joshua. That's Joshua chapter 10, verses 29 through 43. But then we're also going to be

00:01:14.340 cross-referencing over to Jeremiah chapter 18, verses 6 through 11. We'll also look at Psalm 19,

00:01:21.520 verses 1 through 4. We're also going to be looking at the book of Job. It's going to be chapter 12

00:01:28.500 verses 7 through 10. Briefly, look at Romans chapter 1 verse 18 through 20. We might get into

00:01:35.500 Leviticus chapter 18 verses 21 through 26. We might get into Genesis chapter 15 verses 13 through 16.

00:01:43.580 And I'll use a quote or two from the late great Puritan Matthew Henry. All of this to make a,

00:01:48.920 what I believe is an airtight argument for Christian nationalism being the biblical

00:01:53.940 position that Christians today should take, New Testament Christians, that we should have

00:01:59.220 Christian nations and we should be for Christian nationalism, but also again distinguishing New

00:02:04.760 Testament nations today, New Testament Christian nationalism from Zionism. Zionism is not biblical

00:02:12.000 and I will do my best to lovingly and charitably, but also courageously dismantle it because

00:02:18.580 it is a false doctrine that harms many, many people to this day. So before going ahead and

00:02:26.540 diving into the topic, and again, we'll start with Joshua chapter 10. Before we dive in,

00:02:31.460 let me just give you a reminder this Thursday at 1159 p.m. So the close of the day,

00:02:38.360 August 31st, it's the last day of this month. It's Thursday this week. Our early bird rate

00:02:44.240 is over. It's over. Now, I know I've had a lot of you guys reach out and say, hey, I'm planning on

00:02:49.220 coming to the conference. I haven't registered yet. I'm figuring out travel or I'm figuring

00:02:53.560 out things with my work or scheduling with my family. We'll figure it out. That's great. I get

00:02:58.240 it, but figure it out quickly because at the end of the day, this Thursday, August 31st, 1159 p.m.,

00:03:06.180 the early bird rate is done. You're going to want to register for our conference. Again,

00:03:10.680 this is Blueprints for Christendom 2.0. We've got Douglas Wilson, Brian Sauve, Joe Boot, Eric

00:03:17.400 Kahn, and myself. We're going to be having a couple panels, one on biblical patriarchy with

00:03:22.400 Eric Kahn and Douglas Wilson and myself, then another panel that's going to be talking about

00:03:26.600 all things unhinged, the Nephilim and Watchers and all these different things with Brian Sauve

00:03:31.840 and Ben Garrett from Haunted Cosmos and myself. And so it's going to be a great time. It's a

00:03:37.040 Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, March 1st, 2nd, and 3rd of 2024. That's Friday through Sunday.

00:03:44.040 Go to RightResponseConference.com to register. Again, not Right Response Ministries, but go to

00:03:51.060 RightResponseConference.com. Get the early bird rate. Get it right now. It will be over at the

00:03:58.500 very beginning of the day on Friday, the new month, September 1st, right? So you've got through the

00:04:05.280 end of the day on Thursday, come the beginning of the day on Friday, it's done. Don't miss out.

00:04:10.660 Go to rightresponseconference.com. One more brief announcement, and then we'll go ahead and hop in.

00:04:16.880 There's another conference that some of you may have heard about, and some of you may not have,

00:04:20.680 but if you're in the Central Texas area, I would love to meet you. I'll be speaking this Saturday,

00:04:27.680 actually, so it's September 2nd, this Saturday, at the Forge Conference. The theme of this year's

00:04:34.220 Forge Conference is The Joy of the Lord. It's in Kerrville, Texas. Kerrville, Texas, which I

00:04:40.300 believe, I'm not great at geography, but I think it's somewhere near Fredericksburg, if you're

00:04:44.860 familiar with Fredericksburg, Texas. And there's multiple different speakers that are going to be

00:04:49.100 here. You've got Bradley Pierce. He's the president of Abolish Abortion, Texas. So he's an abolitionist.

00:04:56.140 He's going to be at the conference speaking. I'll be there speaking. Justin Peters from Justin

00:05:00.940 Peter's Ministries. He'll be there speaking. You've got Scott Brown. He's the president of

00:05:06.400 Church and Family Life. He'll be there speaking. So it's going to be a great time. It's a family

00:05:11.080 friendly conference. Lots of mothers and fathers and children will be present. And if you're coming

00:05:17.880 up, it's Thursday through Saturday. But if you want to just come up for the day, so my family

00:05:22.400 and I, we're just going to drive up on Saturday. That's when I'll be there. So if you want to come

00:05:26.000 for Saturday and it's too late notice to take time off work and come up for multiple days and

00:05:31.080 find lodging. I totally get it. This is kind of last minute, but if you want to just come up for

00:05:35.240 the day, then they have a special discounted price. It's $40 for a day pass for Saturday,

00:05:41.720 September 2nd for an individual $40 and it's $80 for your whole family. So that'd be you,

00:05:47.660 your wife, your kids, you know, the whole big shebang. So 80 bucks for a family, $40 for an

00:05:53.020 individual. And again, that's Saturday, this Saturday, September 2nd, it's the Forge Conference.

00:05:58.380 The theme is the joy of the Lord. My talk is going to be on being a jovial and jolly warrior.

00:06:05.800 And so I encourage you guys to come out, meet me, Bradley Pierce, Scott Brown, Justin Peters.

00:06:10.600 And in terms of registration, I've been reliably informed. You don't need to do anything online.

00:06:15.780 All you have to do is just show up and at the door, it starts at 9 a.m. that Saturday at the

00:06:21.400 door at 9 a.m. You can just register in person. You can pay in person. Again, 40 bucks for an

00:06:27.620 individual, 80 for the whole family, and directions can be found on their website. So that's the only

00:06:32.380 thing that you'll need is just to look at the schedule and look at the directions to find the

00:06:36.460 location where it's being hosted. The website, I believe, is forgeministries.com. It may be

00:06:43.360 forgeministries.org. Oh, it's .org. Okay, so forgeministries.org. All right, let's go ahead

00:06:52.480 and hop into our topic today, Zionism versus Christian nationalism. All right, I want to start

00:06:58.580 again with Joshua 10, verses 29 through 43. For the sake of time, I'm not going to read each one

00:07:04.420 of these verses. I'm going to give you just a brief synopsis, and then we'll get into the meat

00:07:08.340 of all these other texts that I'm going to use. But let's go ahead and either way, let's throw

00:07:12.640 the verses up on the screen so that at least those who watch the video on YouTube, they can be able

00:07:17.660 to read the verses as I'm giving the synopsis. So this is Joshua chapter 10 verses 29 through 43.

00:07:24.880 This is what we've got. Joshua basically is wiping out every single one of the Canaanite tribes.

00:07:32.860 Joshua as, you know, commander in chief of Israel, they're going in and it's just tribe after tribe

00:07:39.260 after tribe. And what you see in the text again and again repeated is that they put every inhabitant

00:07:45.680 of this kingdom, this city, this town to the edge of the sword. Every single one of them. All the

00:07:51.400 men, not just the fighting men, but also the women and the children. So what you have is you have

00:07:55.940 Joshua and Israel being used by God. They are underneath a divine decree from God. God told

00:08:02.080 them to do this. And as they are putting men, women, and children, Canaanite tribes to the edge

00:08:08.520 of the sword, putting them to death. This is something that God called them to do. They're

00:08:12.620 wiping them out entirely. And I just want to quote real quick here, Matthew Henry, as promised. He

00:08:18.540 says this, nothing could justify this military execution, but that herein they did as the Lord

00:08:25.940 God of Israel commanded. We see that in verse 40. So let me just read verse 40. It says, so Joshua

00:08:31.360 struck the whole land, the hill country and the Negev and the low land and the slopes and all

00:08:37.640 their kings he left none remaining but devoted to destruction all that breathed just as the lord

00:08:44.460 god of israel commanded so they're doing what god commanded back to the matthew henry quote now

00:08:50.460 so nothing could justify this kind of military execution but that in this case herein they were

00:08:57.360 doing precisely as the lord god of israel commanded which was sufficient not only to save

00:09:03.280 them from imputation, that is to save them from being guilty of some kind of moral atrocity,

00:09:10.260 but also to sanctify what they did and make it an acceptable piece of service to God's justice.

00:09:18.660 So God gave the decree. Israel is simply obeying God's commandment to drive out all these people,

00:09:25.020 to wipe them out entirely, these Canaanite pagan tribes. And as they do this, because it's

00:09:31.340 commanded by God that not only absolves Joshua and Israel of any sense of moral guilt, but it also

00:09:37.240 sanctifies their military excursion. It actually sanctifies their work, their warfare as a sanctified

00:09:46.280 holy service in the sight of God. Now, all that being said, this is the point that when I preached

00:09:53.220 this yesterday, and I'm going deeper on this one point that I did in my sermon, but this is the

00:09:58.420 point that I made with my congregation. There are two things that God is doing, two big ideas.

00:10:04.540 And this is where I think in the Christian nationalist debate, we miss part of the story,

00:10:10.840 a significant part of the story. God is doing two things. Two things can be true at once.

00:10:16.460 On the one hand, in the first instance, God is fulfilling all the prophecies of blessing

00:10:24.080 given to Israel. God is causing Israel to inherit the promised land that flows with milk and

00:10:31.300 honey. God is giving to them this land of Canaan that God promised to them through Abraham

00:10:37.120 generations prior. So on the one hand, in the first instance, God is fulfilling his good promises

00:10:44.720 to Israel. On the second hand, right, there's a second thing going on. God is also using Israel

00:10:52.380 as his instrument of justice to exact his righteous and fair judgments on unbelieving

00:11:00.860 pagan people so god is fulfilling good promises of blessing for israel and that's unique to israel

00:11:08.980 at that time under the old covenant that's not going on today but the second half is and the

00:11:16.900 second half is that God is not only fulfilling his promises of blessing for Old Testament,

00:11:23.520 Old Covenant Israel, but he is also executing his just judgment on other nations who were in

00:11:31.540 rebellion, other nations that were pagan, that were idolaters, that were wicked, that were

00:11:36.760 malicious. So, God is fulfilling good promises for Israel. That's unique for Israel under the

00:11:43.240 old covenant, but God is also giving just retribution and judgment to bad nations. And that

00:11:51.100 still continues to this day. Now I'm going to get a little bit deeper into this by crossing over now

00:11:56.440 to Jeremiah chapter 18, verse six through 11. Now this one, I know that we've got prepared. I think

00:12:02.240 I put my assistant Nathan on the spot there. I didn't give him a heads up with Joshua 10, but

00:12:06.320 this one we've got, this is Jeremiah chapter 18, verse six through 11. Let's go ahead and throw it

00:12:11.500 but this one, we're going to go actually into depth. I want us to look verse by verse. So here

00:12:16.440 we go. Starting in verse six, this is Jeremiah chapter 18. The Bible says this, behold, like the

00:12:22.760 clay in the potter's hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. If at any time I declare

00:12:30.300 concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it. And if that

00:12:37.140 nation concerning which I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I

00:12:43.860 intended to do to it. And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build

00:12:50.760 and plant it, and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the

00:12:58.360 good that I intended to do to it. Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of

00:13:04.180 Jerusalem, thus says the Lord, behold, I am shaping disaster against you and devising a plan against

00:13:11.860 you. Return everyone from his evil way and amend your ways and your deeds. So this is something

00:13:19.660 that God is speaking specifically to the nation of Israel through his prophet Jeremiah. But notice

00:13:27.360 how God makes the point. He doesn't just say, this is something that I am going to do to you,

00:13:33.360 Israel. And this is unique in my relationship that I only have with you. I don't interact this

00:13:40.260 way with any other nation. I only interact on these terms with you, Israel. Israel,

00:13:46.460 if I determine that I want to build you up and plant you and see you prosper and increase and

00:13:52.120 grow, but you choose to rebel against me, well, then I'll relent of the good I intended to do,

00:13:58.340 and I'll do evil, or I will send judgment to you instead. Likewise, Israel, if I decide that I want

00:14:04.980 to dismantle and destroy you, but because of your wickedness and hardness of heart, but you repent

00:14:11.360 of that, then I'll relent in sending that disaster. I do this with you, Israel, but I don't do it with

00:14:16.040 anyone else. No, that's not the way that God makes this point to Israel through the prophet Jeremiah.

00:14:21.840 Instead, he makes the point with Israel. It is specific to Israel. He says, you need to repent.

00:14:27.320 you're in trouble disaster is coming your way because you've you've earned it by your rebellion

00:14:33.060 by your disobedience but if you relent if or i'm sorry if you repent then i will relent of the

00:14:40.220 disaster that is coming your way instead i will show you mercy and how does god make the point

00:14:45.240 he says because he says this is how i interact the way you can trust that this is true is because

00:14:51.000 this is the way that I interact with everyone, with all nations. Behold, like clay in the potter's

00:14:57.180 hands, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. That's Israel. But then verse seven, he says,

00:15:02.360 if at any time I declare concerning a nation, the implication being any nation. So not just right

00:15:08.900 now at this time with you, O Israel, but if at any time with any nation or any kingdom, if I declare

00:15:15.660 that I'm going to pluck up and break down and destroy it, but the nation repents, well then

00:15:20.360 and it turns from its evil, then I'll relent of the disaster I intended to do to it. And

00:15:25.560 on the flip side, if at any time I declare concerning any nation, any time, any nation,

00:15:31.120 any kingdom, that I want to build them up or plant them, grow them, prosper them, but they do evil

00:15:36.600 in my sight, not listening to my voice, well, then I'll relent of the good that I had intended

00:15:41.100 to do to it. So now listen, you, O Israel, you better listen up because see the point that God's

00:15:47.280 making through Jeremiah. And chapter 18 is this. He's saying, you should listen to me, Israel,

00:15:53.540 because if you think I'm bluffing, well, all you have to do is look at all the other nations

00:16:00.760 of the world. This is the way, this isn't unique to you. This is the way I, Yahweh,

00:16:07.380 the God of Israel, this is the way that I interact as a just God with all nations in all periods of

00:16:14.740 time. If a nation honors me, I'll exalt it. If I'm planning on sending disaster, but a nation

00:16:22.040 repents, I'll relent in sending the disaster and I'll show mercy instead. Here would be an example,

00:16:28.200 Nineveh. Nineveh is a perfect example. Nineveh was one of the five capital cities that was

00:16:37.920 north of the northern kingdom of Israel. This is where Jonah, the prophet, was living at the time.

00:16:46.440 He was in this region, and they had already, per prophecies that had been previously made by Isaiah,

00:16:53.320 Nineveh and other cities were already ramping up their pre-invasion attacks into the northern tribe

00:17:02.080 of the northern kingdom of Israel, where Jonah lived. Jonah very likely had seen some of his

00:17:07.260 friends and close loved ones who have been harmed or taken captive or even put to death

00:17:14.160 by these Ninevites. Jonah hated the Ninevites. But then, you know, Jonah is called by God to

00:17:21.060 go and be a prophet to Nineveh. We always get this part of the story wrong. We think

00:17:24.760 Jonah didn't want to go to Nineveh because he was afraid, because they were so wicked that they

00:17:29.060 wouldn't listen to his message of repentance. And because they wouldn't listen to his message

00:17:34.480 of repentance, they would turn on him, the messenger, and put him to death, kill him.

00:17:39.580 That's not what the Bible actually teaches. What Jonah himself actually says through prayer to God

00:17:45.820 is he says, is this not what I said to you in Tarshish while I was still on the way? I didn't

00:17:51.200 want to go to Nineveh, not because I thought that they wouldn't listen to me in the message of

00:17:55.820 repentance you gave me to give to them, and that they would hurt me or kill me, but instead I

00:18:01.420 didn't want to go to Nineveh because I thought they would listen to the message of repentance.

00:18:05.540 And if they listened, they would indeed actually repent. And then you, oh God, because you're just

00:18:11.800 a sucker for repentance and quick to show mercy and slow to anger, you would forgive the Ninevites

00:18:18.620 and you would relent in sending disaster and destroying them with the fire and brimstone

00:18:24.080 that I've been counting on, that I've been waiting for. I want the Ninevites to pay for the atrocities

00:18:30.060 they've committed against me and my people. So Jonah was reluctant, not just reluctant, but

00:18:35.500 downright refused to go to Nineveh, not because he thought Nineveh would not listen to him and

00:18:41.020 harm him or kill him, but because he thought that Nineveh would listen to him and that they would

00:18:46.920 repent and therefore God would relent in sending disaster. Here's the point. The point is that the

00:18:52.940 prophet Jonah, just like the prophet Jeremiah, he knew that this is the way God interacts with all

00:18:58.840 nations. This is not unique to Israel. Was Israel under the old covenant unique among all the

00:19:05.120 nations? Yes, absolutely. But we need to understand in what way. The idea that God sovereignly

00:19:12.360 determines to raise up nations and also decimate nations and that those nations, that what God is

00:19:20.180 determined to do, that God would relent in sending disaster if the nation chooses righteousness

00:19:25.080 and chooses to repent and that God will relent in sending good and prosperity to a nation if that

00:19:31.480 nation chooses evil and not to listen to his voice. We need to understand that is just the rubric.

00:19:37.540 That's the pattern that God has established and firmly spoken in his word in which he engages

00:19:42.680 every nation of the earth, not just Israel. And this is how he engages not just any nation,

00:19:48.840 but also at any time. So, this is before the cross, but any time that also includes after

00:19:54.900 the cross. So, it doesn't matter if we're in the Old Testament or if we're 2,000 years removed

00:19:59.640 from the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ, His life, death, and resurrection, and ascension to

00:20:05.420 the right hand of God the Father. A nation today, 2,000 years after Christ, Jeremiah chapter 18

00:20:11.380 still rings true. If God determines to raise a nation up, but that nation chooses not to listen

00:20:19.080 to his voice and to do what is evil in his sight, God will relent of sending them good and instead

00:20:24.460 will send them disaster. And if God has determined on the flip side to destroy a nation, but that

00:20:30.520 nation chooses to repent, God will relent in sending disaster. Exactly what God did with

00:20:36.340 Nineveh in the case of Jonah, and exactly what God is saying in terms of the whole pattern

00:20:41.020 what he's saying in terms of the principle at large through the prophet Jeremiah. Now,

00:20:47.840 all that having been firmly established, I now want to get a little bit more specific.

00:20:53.020 Jeremiah chapter 18, verses 6 through 11. Notice verse 10. It says, if a nation does evil in my

00:20:59.620 sight, and then it says, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I

00:21:06.200 intended to do to it. It doesn't just say evil in my sight, but right after that we have a comma

00:21:12.980 and we have the phrase not listening to my voice, as though these two things are one and the same.

00:21:20.080 To do what is evil in God's sight is precisely because a nation is not listening to God's voice.

00:21:28.500 It is to not listen to his voice. It is to that hardness of heart, that hardness of hearing,

00:21:34.160 as Jesus even spoke of in regards to Israel, closing your ears, hardening your heart,

00:21:40.780 and doubling down on your wicked actions because you refuse to listen to the voice of God. This

00:21:47.240 is what Jesus said even of the Pharisees. He said, you cannot bear to hear my words. You won't

00:21:52.680 listen. It's like God is speaking, and the person who is dead set on rebellion plugs his ears and

00:22:00.240 says, nah, nah, nah, nah, I can't hear you. And what God is saying here through Jeremiah in chapter

00:22:05.940 18 is that if a nation does what is evil in his sight, which is to not listen to his voice,

00:22:13.180 then that nation will not receive good from the Lord. God will relent in sending them good,

00:22:19.100 the good he originally intended, and instead will punish them in his just judgment. So this is what

00:22:25.560 we got to do now. What we need to understand is from the Bible, and I'm going to cross-reference

00:22:30.100 to Psalm 19, we're going to look at Job chapter 12, I'm going to look at Romans chapter 1,

00:22:34.480 but we need to cross-reference and understand what is the voice of God.

00:22:39.480 If a nation does what is evil in my sight, this is any nation, not just Israel, at any time,

00:22:44.380 not just the Old Testament, but still to this day, if a nation does not listen to the voice of God,

00:22:49.040 God will relent in sending them good. And instead, the implication is he will send them just judgments

00:22:55.760 of disaster. So what does it mean for a nation not to listen to God's voice? Well, first we need

00:23:00.800 to ask this question. How does God's voice come to nations? How does God speak? What is the

00:23:07.760 instrument, the avenue of God's voice to all the peoples, all the nations today? Psalm 19 verses

00:23:15.860 one through four says this, the heavens declare the glory of God. Let's get this one up on the

00:23:21.400 screen. The heavens declare the glory of God. The sky proclaims his handiwork. Look, this is speaking

00:23:28.620 language. The heavens declare, they speak the glory of God. That's God's voice. The sky proclaims

00:23:37.060 God's voice through the instrument, the avenue of the sky. Day to day, and this makes it really,

00:23:43.280 really on the nose, really plain. Day to day pours out speech. It's God's voice. Night to night

00:23:50.720 reveals knowledge. There is no speech. This is verse three now, chapter 19, verse three.

00:23:57.960 There is no speech, nor are there words whose voice is not heard. So not only does God's speech

00:24:04.440 go forward, not only does God's speech go forth to all people in all places, to all the nations,

00:24:11.020 but also God's speech is heard. There is no voice, there is no words that is not heard. Now, verse 4,

00:24:20.100 their voice goes out through all the earth and their words to the end of the world. So, Jeremiah

00:24:27.440 18, again, what is one of the things that's going to put a nation in bad standing with God to where

00:24:34.200 he will relent of doing it good and instead will send disaster? If they do evil in God's sight,

00:24:40.300 that's Jeremiah 18 verse 10, evil in his sight, not listening to his voice. And how does God speak?

00:24:47.800 Where does his voice come from? What's the avenue of his voice? Psalm 19, day to day pours out

00:24:54.240 speech, night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech. There are no words whose voice is

00:25:00.180 not heard in Israel. No. Verse four, their voice goes out through all the earth, not just with

00:25:06.940 Israel and their words to the end of the world. Every nation hears the voice of God, if in no

00:25:14.540 other way, if they've never received a missionary or a prophet or a verse of holy writ, every single

00:25:21.460 nation, all the peoples have in fact heard the voice of God, if through no other avenue,

00:25:26.200 they have heard it by his handiwork in creation itself. The sky pours forth speech. The sky

00:25:35.340 proclaims his handiwork. The heavens declare God's glory. That's the heavens, the stars, the moon,

00:25:41.060 the sun. Day to day, the day pours out speech. The night reveals knowledge, and this speech and

00:25:48.020 knowledge is heard. There's no speech. There's no words that are not heard. And where are they heard?

00:25:54.700 By whom are they heard? Throughout all the earth. Their words, God's word, through his handiwork

00:26:01.560 is heard throughout the whole earth to the end of the world. Now here's the next question. So if a

00:26:08.980 nation does what's evil in God's sight, which is to do what's evil in God's sight, is to not listen

00:26:13.920 to his voice, that nation will be laid low by God. That's any nation at any time. Now what is it to

00:26:21.800 not listen to God's voice? What is God's voice? What's the avenue, the instrument of his voice?

00:26:25.780 creation. Day to day, night to night, the heavens, the skies. Now here's the next question. What is

00:26:33.360 the message of God's voice? We've talked about the instrument. The instrument of God's voice

00:26:37.480 is natural revelation, creation. What now is the contents of that message? What is God's voice?

00:26:45.180 Not how is he speaking, but what is he speaking? This is where we get into Job. So let's pull that

00:26:51.300 up real quick. This is Job chapter 12, verses 7 through 10. Starting in verse 7, the Bible says

00:26:56.940 this, but ask the beast, and they will teach you, the birds of the heavens, and they will tell you,

00:27:03.760 or the bushes of the earth, and they will teach you, or the fish of the sea will declare to you.

00:27:09.340 Who among all these does not know? Here's the message. So far, all we've got is how God speaks,

00:27:16.780 just another fleshing out of the instrument of God's speech, right? We saw that God spoke through

00:27:23.200 heavens, the sky, the day, the night. Now we're seeing he speaks through beasts, birds, bushes,

00:27:30.440 fish of the sea. But now what? Not how does God speak, but what does he speak? This is verse 9,

00:27:37.360 Job chapter 12, verse 9. Who among all these does not know that the hand of the Lord has done this?

00:27:46.940 What can we glean from that?

00:27:48.100 How can we interpret that?

00:27:50.540 Through natural revelation, God is communicating a specific message,

00:27:54.220 and at least one of the tenets of this message is that God is the source of all things,

00:27:58.460 that he's sovereign.

00:28:00.180 God is sovereign.

00:28:01.980 That nothing happens outside his providence.

00:28:04.380 The hand of the Lord has done this.

00:28:06.300 In his hand, this is verse 10 now,

00:28:08.180 in his hand is the life of every living thing,

00:28:12.320 the life of every living thing and the breath of all mankind. So the second tenant of God's

00:28:19.140 message, what is God speaking? Not just how, but what is number one, he's sovereign. The hand of

00:28:24.620 the Lord has done this. Nothing happens without God orchestrating and ordaining. Everything comes

00:28:31.240 from God. But secondly, God is the one who creates and sustains the source of not just all that

00:28:37.620 occurs, all that happens, all events, but he is the source, the life source of every living thing,

00:28:43.300 everything that has breath in its lungs. So God is the author of life and he's the sovereign one.

00:28:48.580 He's the creator and sustainer and he is the sovereign orchestrator of everything that

00:28:54.100 happens. And why is Job saying this? This is Job actually, because it's a discourse between Job and

00:28:59.040 his friends. Well, Job's three miserable friends, they come and they do good at first. They sit

00:29:03.680 there for seven days without opening their mouth because Job is in such torment. But eventually,

00:29:08.400 right, the Bible says even a fool is thought wise if he shuts his mouth. But eventually,

00:29:13.000 Job's foolish friends, they open their mouth, begin to speak. And essentially what it boils

00:29:16.920 down to is they say, Job, all these bad things are happening because it's your fault. You must

00:29:21.900 have sinned against God. You must have done something terrible. And Job, one of his counters

00:29:26.120 is he says, essentially he says, beast have better theology than my friends. Fish in the ocean

00:29:33.380 have better doctrine than my friends. There are bushes and birds that understand the truths about

00:29:40.060 God better than my friends. And what are those truths about God? That the creation speaks. How

00:29:46.160 does God speak? Through creation. What does he speak that Job's friends don't know, but creation

00:29:50.840 is plainly saying that his friends should know because God is speaking through creation. What

00:29:55.680 is the message? That God is the one who orchestrates all things. The hand of the Lord has done it. He's

00:30:00.880 sovereign and he sustains, made, created, and sustains all things. He is the author of life,

00:30:07.360 every living thing, and everything that has breath in its lungs. So what does it mean for a nation

00:30:12.760 not to listen to the voice of God? It is to ignore and rebel against the fact that they know,

00:30:20.940 even pagans, unregenerate men, unregenerate people, they know that God is sovereign and God

00:30:27.720 is the creator and the source of all life. God speaking through creation is not just in regards

00:30:34.740 to the second table of the law. God does not in creation, his voice that nations are supposed to

00:30:41.420 hear, and if they don't, they'll be punished. The voice of God and what God is communicating,

00:30:45.960 not just how through creation, but what God is saying through creation is not just things

00:30:50.900 pertaining to the second table of the law. God is not just speaking through the sky and the heavens

00:30:55.700 and the day and the night and the birds and the bushes and the beasts and the fish. God is not

00:31:00.140 just speaking through creation that we should love our neighbor as ourself, that we shouldn't

00:31:04.240 steal, that we shouldn't covet, that we shouldn't murder. God is not just speaking a message of the

00:31:09.340 second table of the law in regards to how we should treat our neighbor. God is also speaking

00:31:14.960 things precisely about himself, things concerning his own nature, that he is sovereign, that he is

00:31:22.600 king. Sovereign means king. He is ruler. He is in authority over all things. He's the creator,

00:31:28.660 the sustainer, and the ruler over all things. This is one of the core tenets of the message of

00:31:35.000 what God is speaking. How is he speaking? Through creation. Who is he speaking to? All nations,

00:31:41.240 in all places, in all times. And if nations don't listen to that voice, they'll be punished. And if

00:31:48.820 nations do listen to that voice, blessed is the nation whose God is Yahweh. They will be blessed

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00:35:11.180 clear enough, let's use one more text to talk about what God is speaking. Who is he speaking to?

00:35:16.640 all the nations in all places in all times not just israel in the old covenant in the old testament

00:35:24.060 but all nations in all places in all times even 2 000 years after the coming of christ that's who

00:35:31.340 he's speaking to how is god speaking so we've covered the who the how through creation that's

00:35:37.840 how he's speaking what is god speaking not just that we should love our fellow man not just love

00:35:43.600 for our neighbor, the second table of the law, commandments five through 10, but God is also

00:35:48.220 speaking explicitly in regards to himself and by way of implication, man's moral obligation

00:35:57.420 towards God. What are we called to do in light of the fact that God exists, that he is king,

00:36:04.900 he's an authority, he is sovereign, and he is creator. He is the source and sustainer of all

00:36:11.940 life. So we saw a little bit of that in Job chapter 12 verses 7 through 10, that God speaks

00:36:17.900 not just in regards to our obligation to our fellow man, but our obligation to not just love

00:36:23.540 our neighbor as ourself, but love the Lord our God. We see this even more plainly in the New

00:36:28.080 Testament, Romans chapter 1 verse 18 through 20. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against

00:36:34.820 all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth

00:36:42.100 for what can be known about God is plain to them because God has shown it to them he's spoken

00:36:50.400 for his invisible attributes namely right the second table of the law and how you should love

00:36:56.520 no his invisible attributes about himself namely his eternal power and divine nature

00:37:03.820 have been clearly perceived. So, not just has the message gone out, but the message has been

00:37:10.380 received. People lie, they say, they claim ignorance, but the problem isn't that man is

00:37:16.380 ignorant in a true sense, and therefore, because he's truly ignorant, well, he can't help but rebel.

00:37:22.740 No, no, no. The Bible says precisely the opposite, that man is actually rebellious. He is first and

00:37:29.740 foremost rebellious. It's not an intellectual hang-up, but a moral problem. Because man is

00:37:36.060 rebellious, he claims to be ignorant by lying and suppressing the truth, which not just has this

00:37:42.640 truth gone out from God, but it has been clearly perceived. That's Romans chapter 1 verse 20.

00:37:50.120 Ever since the creation of the world in, back to the how, the instrument of God speaking,

00:37:55.620 in the things that have been made so that they are without excuse every individual person is

00:38:03.080 without an excuse and every collective nation of persons is likewise without an excuse god has been

00:38:11.440 speaking he pours forth speech through natural revelation creation by what he has made he has

00:38:19.800 been doing this ever since the creation of the world so god has always been speaking by what he

00:38:25.260 has made, who is he speaking to? Everyone, in all places, in all times. He speaks to individuals.

00:38:32.320 He speaks to kings and princes and nations. And what does he speak? Not just things like,

00:38:39.140 do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, do not lie. Not just things in regards to how we

00:38:45.360 should love our fellow man, our neighbor, but God is speaking things regarding himself,

00:38:50.940 that we should love him. The first table of the law is included in natural revelation.

00:38:59.460 I'll say that again. The first table of the law, man's obligation, commandments one through four

00:39:05.700 in Exodus 20, man's obligation to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength

00:39:12.140 is included in natural revelation. God is saying that he is sovereign. That's Job chapter 12.

00:39:18.860 We saw that verses 7 through 10, that he is sovereign, he's orchestrating and ordaining all things.

00:39:24.800 That means he's in control, he's in authority, he is king, he is ruler, and he is the creator and sustainer and the source.

00:39:33.080 He has made all things and upholds all things, the sustainer of all life.

00:39:38.820 Likewise, Romans chapter 1, verse 18 through 20, things about God, not just about our relationship horizontally with our neighbor,

00:39:46.640 but things about God are plain to all people because God has shown us he has spoken through

00:39:52.640 natural revelation his invisible attributes eternal power divine nature this message has

00:39:59.000 gone out from God through creation and it has been received it has been clearly perceived by man

00:40:06.480 man's fundamental problem is not that he is ignorant and therefore can't help but rebel

00:40:11.460 rather man is rebellious and therefore lies and attempts to give himself a self-lobotomy

00:40:19.980 in order to try to become ignorant to take the revelation that he actually does have that he

00:40:26.060 has perceived he has received from God and throw it away hide it bury it under the dirt because

00:40:32.320 he doesn't want to know because he wants to do his own thing he wants to rebel he wants to be his

00:40:39.840 own king rather than having a sovereign king of kings above him. All men are without an excuse.

00:40:47.960 All nations likewise are without an excuse. This is why Psalm chapter 2 says to the kings,

00:40:54.680 not just peasants and paupers, but the kings of this world, kiss the son lest he be angry and his

00:41:02.160 wrath quickly kindled. There is a king above kings. The Bible doesn't just speak to individual

00:41:09.180 people, but it speaks to nations and it speaks to rulers of nations. The kings of the earth are

00:41:15.660 called to pay homage to the King of Kings, to Jesus Christ. Now, let's look at Leviticus

00:41:22.940 chapter 18, verses 21 through 26. There are a couple sins. So now we're going to get into the

00:41:28.760 second table of the law. We're going to get into a couple things in regards to loving our neighbor,

00:41:33.600 breaches of commandments in the Ten Commandments, the Decalogue, Commandments 5 through 10,

00:41:39.040 two things in particular, that when these sins occur, not just with an individual, but they occur

00:41:46.200 at a mass scale by a collection, corporately, a group of people, a nation, these are things that

00:41:54.540 God will send swift judgment for and the form often, often the instrument of God's judgment

00:42:03.560 will be the actual land that this nation inhabits. Okay, Leviticus chapter 18 verses 21 through 26

00:42:12.920 says this, you shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech and so profane the name

00:42:20.940 of your God. I am the Lord. You shall not lie with a male as a woman, as with a woman. It is

00:42:29.200 an abomination. Do not make yourselves unclean by any of these. The two things that I've mentioned

00:42:36.120 so far in Leviticus chapter 18 verses 21 and 22 is abortion and sodomy. Do not offer your children

00:42:44.900 to Molech, and so profane the name of your God. Also, you shall not lie with a male as with a

00:42:52.380 woman, for it is an abomination. Okay, so those are the two sins mentioned so far, abortion

00:42:58.240 and homosexuality. Now, verse 24, what happens when not just one random individual, but when a

00:43:04.620 nation, a collective people at a mass scale choose to engage in these two particular sins? What

00:43:11.080 happens. Verse 24 of Leviticus 18, do not make yourselves unclean by any of these things for by

00:43:18.400 all these, the nations I am driving out before you have become unclean and the land became unclean

00:43:27.920 so that I punished its iniquity and the land vomited out its inhabitants.

00:43:33.980 the land vomited out its inhabitants if you're ever wondering right so we've already covered this

00:43:41.980 how what's the instrument of god speaking natural revelation creation well likewise because creation

00:43:48.280 is the instrument through whom god speaks creation is we can determine on god's side

00:43:55.000 creation is on god's side yes creation is under a curse because of the sin committed by adam in

00:44:01.840 the garden. Creation is under a curse because of man's sin, but creation, even being under this

00:44:08.280 curse, is on its creator's side, meaning God speaks through creation. And if man sins against

00:44:16.560 God, particularly in these ways, creation will be not only God's instrument of speech, but it will

00:44:23.520 become God's instrument of judgment. It's not just that God will turn against that people who rebels

00:44:30.460 against him, but God will cause even the land, the creation to turn against that people.

00:44:37.080 So that a nation of people that inhabits a particular place, that that place, the land

00:44:43.340 will vomit out the people, that the land itself will no longer abide its inhabitants because the

00:44:51.420 land, the trees, the rocks, the rivers, the seas, the land is on God's side. And when the people

00:44:58.300 turn against God, he is slow to anger, but eventually he sends judgment. And often this

00:45:05.000 judgment, particularly for the sins listed in Leviticus chapter 18, this judgment will come

00:45:10.940 through the avenue of natural disasters through the land. This is not something unique to Israel.

00:45:18.260 This is not something unique to the Old Testament. This is God's word for all peoples in all times

00:45:24.500 in all places. This is not to say that any isolated natural disaster is directly rooted with

00:45:32.460 the sin of that people. I'm not saying that. But as a general principle, I'm not going to go so far

00:45:39.460 as to say that no natural disaster is rooted with sin. That's just not biblical. So I'm not going

00:45:47.420 to say this tower, right? Jesus gives this as an example. The Tower of Siloam fell and collapsed

00:45:54.380 and this many people were killed. Do not think that those people were any worse than you. So

00:45:58.420 I'm going to take my cues from Jesus. I'm not going to say that this individual isolated natural

00:46:05.700 disaster that happened in this place to these people was because of those people's sin and

00:46:10.440 this is the particular sin that was committed. I'm not saying that. But I am saying as a general

00:46:14.820 principle, yes, God punishes nations for sin. He usually does it slowly. So if you're thinking

00:46:21.500 this sin just occurred, and this natural disaster immediately followed, then that's probably not

00:46:27.040 a one-to-one ratio, a direct correlation. Why? Because God is patient, long-suffering, and slow

00:46:32.920 to anger. Usually, when there is a disaster that is a result of sin, God's judgment, it's usually

00:46:40.420 well after the fact of the sin that actually took place in the first book, generations after,

00:46:47.720 in fact. Let me give you a reference for that now. This is the final verse I want us to look at.

00:46:52.700 Genesis chapter 15 verses 13 through 16. It says this,

00:46:56.140 Then the Lord said to Abram, Know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in a land

00:47:01.460 that is not theirs and will be servants there, and they will be afflicted for 400 years. He's

00:47:07.880 talking about their bondage in Egypt. But I will bring judgment on the nation that they serve,

00:47:14.220 and afterward they shall come out with great possessions. As for you, Abraham, you shall go to

00:47:21.200 your fathers in peace. You shall be buried in a good old age. Now look at this, verse 16, Genesis

00:47:26.580 15, 16. And they, that is your descendants, shall come back here where Abraham was in the land of

00:47:35.920 Canaan. They shall come back here in the fourth generation for the iniquity of the Amorites is not

00:47:42.540 yet complete. What is God saying? God is showing Abraham hundreds of years prior, the land that

00:47:51.020 flows with milk and honey, the land that is going to be he and his descendants' inheritance.

00:47:56.300 He's showing him that land. It's currently inhabited by pagan people. And God's saying,

00:48:01.340 Abraham, you're not going to go to war with these people. You're going to die in a time of peace.

00:48:06.120 You're going to die at a ripe old age. But your descendants, hundreds of years later,

00:48:11.440 I will eventually bring them back to this land and they will conquer the wicked, pagan inhabitants

00:48:18.320 of this land. And why? Why am I going to wait so long to do that? Part of it, as I said at the very

00:48:24.080 beginning of the video, two things are true at once. God's doing two things simultaneously. One,

00:48:29.500 God is fulfilling his good promises to Israel. And Israel, because of their hard-heartedness,

00:48:35.820 because of their unbelief, they are causing things to slow down. So, one, God is taking a long time

00:48:45.100 to fulfill these good promises to Israel, Abraham's descendants, because of Israel's rebellion. But

00:48:50.900 two, God is also taking a long time to fulfill these good things to Israel because in one foul

00:48:57.200 swoop, God's fulfillment of his good promises to Israel is also going to be the execution of his

00:49:02.880 judgment to the Canaanites. And God is slow to anger, abounding in love. He is long-suffering.

00:49:10.060 He is patient and not just a special deal with Israel under the Old Covenant, but a deal that

00:49:16.120 God has set up that still holds true. It's still good to this day with all nations and all places

00:49:21.700 in all times. God will relent in sending disaster. If any nation, if any people choose to repent,

00:49:29.940 The Canaanites did not choose to repent and so God fulfilled his good promise to Israel

00:49:37.200 and he fulfilled his promise of judgment to Canaan and God did all this.

00:49:43.440 My point is hundreds of years after Canaan had been idolatrous, wicked, malicious, violent,

00:49:51.180 all these sins had been going on for generations and generations and then the judgment came.

00:49:57.940 So, does God judge nations for their sin? Yes. Does God judge nations through the land and natural

00:50:07.140 disaster for their sin, and particularly the sins of abortion and sexual perversion? Yes.

00:50:16.040 Does God's judgment for those sins come immediately, the next day after those sins are

00:50:22.800 committed no why because god is patient he is just but he is also patient all right the last thing

00:50:32.940 that i want to say is this there is no nation today since the life death burial resurrection

00:50:40.820 and ascension of jesus christ the outpoint of the spirit at pentecost the ending the final ending

00:50:48.060 rolling up like a garment of the Old Covenant and the destruction of Jerusalem in 80-70.

00:50:54.660 Since these events, there has never been since then a nation like Israel under the Old Covenant.

00:51:02.020 And you know who that includes? Israel. Even Israel is not Israel under the Old Covenant.

00:51:10.720 Israel today, the nation-state of Israel that exists today, is not Israel under the Old Covenant.

00:51:18.060 the Bible is clear in the Old Testament prophets that God divorced Israel. He gave them an official

00:51:26.120 statement, certificate of divorce. Israel despised God's promises. They despised their

00:51:34.880 inheritance. They chose to harden their heart. They chose again and again and again and again

00:51:41.340 to rebel against God, to rebel against Christ. And in the final analysis, the climax of their

00:51:50.000 rebellion is that Jesus came to his own and they received him not. It's the Romans who legally put

00:51:58.340 Jesus to death, but it is the Jews who call for it. And they even say to Pilate, because Pilate

00:52:05.600 didn't want to do it. He wanted to wash his hands of the guilt and the responsibility. He knew that

00:52:10.640 Jesus was an innocent man. Now, Pilate was a coward. He wanted to please the people. He was

00:52:17.060 up. He was a politician. He was up for re-election. So Pilate, you know, he kowtowed and gave in to

00:52:23.060 the people. But Pilate says this. He says, look, I'm not going to do this. You're going to do this.

00:52:28.920 I'll send the Roman centurions, you know, the soldiers to actually drive the nails through

00:52:33.200 his hands and feet. But this is going to be on you. And Israel literally responds by saying,

00:52:38.640 let his, Jesus, his blood be on us and our children forever.

00:52:46.320 Israel killed Jesus.

00:52:48.960 They rebelled against God for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years,

00:52:52.740 and eventually they even killed the Jewish Messiah who came from their heritage.

00:52:59.560 Israel today is not Israel under the old covenant.

00:53:02.540 What we have today is not.

00:53:04.300 People think this, and it's a huge misconception, and it needs to be cleared up.

00:53:08.240 people think that Judaism is Christianity minus the New Testament. They think that Judaism today

00:53:15.960 is half of Christianity. That's not true. See, both Christianity and Judaism have the Old

00:53:22.980 Testament, but then we both have a lens for understanding and interpreting and reading

00:53:29.820 the Old Testament. For Christianity, we have the Old Testament, and then we have the New Testament,

00:53:35.740 the apostolic writings and the four gospels in order to properly understand the old testament

00:53:42.800 the torah in judaism talmudic judaism they have the old testament and then instead of the new

00:53:50.100 testament they have the talmud for interpreting the old testament and what the talmud does

00:53:57.040 is that it perverts and twists every single part of the old testament so it's not that we have as

00:54:04.460 Christians Old plus New Testament, and Jews have just Old Testament. No, we have Old Testament

00:54:10.920 rightly understood through New Testament, and the Jews have Old Testament perverted by the Talmud.

00:54:19.200 So it's not that they have half of the truth. They have none of the truth. They hate Jesus.

00:54:28.240 They hate Jesus. That's why I've said it publicly, and I'll say it again,

00:54:32.320 that judeo-christian that phrase that hyphenated phrase judeo is is an oxymoron

00:54:41.440 it's um it's a misnomer it's like saying jumbo shrimp right it's it's not it it makes no sense

00:54:50.840 there is no such thing as judeo-christian that would be the equivalent of saying

00:54:56.520 non-christian christian or anti-christian christian or we hate jesus christian or

00:55:07.120 perversion of the scripture christian that it's no it there's no such thing there's not

00:55:13.500 so there was a unique covenant that god established with israel in the old testament

00:55:19.820 that covenant has officially ended it has long been ended but there are covenants not the old

00:55:27.660 covenant that god made with israel and not the new covenant that god exclusively makes with the

00:55:33.340 church the replacement for israel is not the united states of america it's not england it's not france

00:55:41.660 The replacement for Israel, Old Covenant Israel, is the New Testament church.

00:55:49.040 So there is the Old Covenant that God had with Israel that is done and is no longer,

00:55:54.920 completely dismantled, completely done.

00:55:58.180 And then there is the New Covenant that God has with the church.

00:56:03.780 Now, when it comes to other nations, like America, we, I believe, have a covenant with God.

00:56:10.600 but it's not the old covenant what Israel had in the old testament it's not a one-to-one ratio

00:56:16.600 it's very different so we don't have the old covenant that Israel had in the old testament

00:56:21.800 with God and America is not a part of the new covenant that God established exclusively with

00:56:28.480 regenerate people by grace through faith in Christ alone in the church so nations today I do believe

00:56:34.820 can have a covenant with God it won't be the new covenant which is the only eternally saving

00:56:39.760 covenant, and it's not the old covenant that was only with Israel that no nation has today,

00:56:45.340 including Israel today. They don't have that old covenant today either. But what we can have is

00:56:50.880 national covenants with God that are not salvific in the eternal sense. They're not the new covenant,

00:56:56.680 they're not the old covenant, but still to this day, the principle is true that God interacted

00:57:03.580 in the Old Testament with other nations besides Israel. Not in the same way, but God had an

00:57:09.200 interaction with other nations. Blessed is any nation whose God is Yahweh. The nation that fears

00:57:15.900 the Lord will be exalted. A nation that hears God's voice and does what is good in his sight

00:57:22.860 will receive good from the Lord. A nation who does what is evil in God's sight and does not

00:57:28.680 hear God's voice that comes through special revelations, certainly, but to all nations,

00:57:34.600 even if they don't have a Bible or a preacher or an evangelist, through natural revelation,

00:57:38.800 every single person, every tribe, tongue, every nation has heard God's voice, and God's voice

00:57:45.240 speaks not just the second table of the law, what is good and moral in regards to our relationship

00:57:50.260 with our neighbor, but also first table of the law, that God is sovereign, God is king,

00:57:55.700 God is creator, God is the source of life, that God, his invisible attributes have been clearly

00:58:01.060 perceived, right, that his eternal power, his divine nature, these things we know, every nation

00:58:08.100 knows these things, and nations that embrace these things, and not just in word, but in deed,

00:58:15.060 that they actually formally embrace these things and seek to live by these truths,

00:58:20.900 will be blessed by God. Nations that do not will be cursed by God. And eventually,

00:58:28.120 not immediately, but over time, because God is slow in his anger and patient and kind,

00:58:33.340 eventually God will judge those nations including ours if we do not repent and one of the ways that

00:58:39.860 he will judge us particularly because of the specific sins our nation has engaged in will be

00:58:46.060 by turning the creation the land itself against us its inhabitants that we are spewed out whatever

00:58:53.520 that might look like drought famine disease plague so all this being said nations can have a covenant

00:59:03.260 with God. I believe that America does have a covenant with God and that currently we're in

00:59:07.360 the process. It's not that we're not a Christian nation. It's that we are a Christian nation

00:59:11.260 with a Christian covenant. The problem is that we are currently in the process of apostatizing.

00:59:19.160 And because of that, our judgment, I believe, will be even stricter. I believe we're under

00:59:23.720 judgment now and that judgment will only heat up if we don't repent. So nations today should be

00:59:31.260 christian nations christian nations christian nationalism is not going away you may not like

00:59:38.100 the phrase that's fine you can pick something else but every nation must be christian and the

00:59:43.680 kings and rulers of every nation must kiss the son that is pay homage to king jesus and nations

00:59:51.300 today can enter in to a covenant a transaction a relationship with god it will not be the old

00:59:58.720 covenant, which was unique to Israel. And it certainly is not the new covenant, which is

01:00:03.220 unique to the church. But to say that relationships today are arbitrary and that they have no

01:00:08.940 relationship with God whatsoever, that they can't be Christian, that they can't be in covenant with

01:00:15.100 Yahweh, is to skip over so many massive portions of scripture. It's hard to even begin to have that

01:00:25.020 argument. All right. I hope that that's helpful for you. I'll probably try to get a little bit

01:00:31.980 more into Zionism in the future. I know that I only really addressed it some here at the end,

01:00:37.280 that Israel today is not Israel under the old covenant in the old Testament. So I did address

01:00:42.420 that. I'll try to address it a little bit more thoroughly in the future. I want to do it

01:00:46.140 carefully. I don't want to be extreme. I don't want to be rude. I don't want to be hateful or

01:00:51.460 spiteful, but I also want to be courageous and truthful. I want to be courageous and truthful.

01:00:56.280 And I believe that dispensationalism has not helped the church and has not helped Western

01:01:02.400 civilization in any way whatsoever. And out of dispensationalism, a rejection of the historic

01:01:08.640 view, which is covenant theology, out of dispensationalism is where we get Zionism.

01:01:14.020 And out of Zionism, that's where we get a lot of some of the problems that we have

01:01:18.760 in the political landscape today. It's Zionistic, which comes from bad reading of the scripture,

01:01:26.240 which was dispensationalist. And the solution is the truth of God's word, a return to the

01:01:33.820 historic Christian faith, a denial of dispensationalism and Zionism, an embrace of

01:01:38.980 covenant theology, an understanding of the old covenant with Israel and the way that it's done,

01:01:43.880 the way that it has ended, and an understanding of how God engages with nations today, including

01:01:49.700 Israel. Israel can engage with God today also, but it doesn't have any special privileges.

01:01:56.200 Israel can choose to be a Christian nation and stop hating Jesus and kiss the sun and pay honor

01:02:01.340 to King Jesus, just like any other nation. And if they do, they'll be blessed. And each individual

01:02:07.340 person in Israel who trusts in Jesus with saving faith will not just be blessed temporally

01:02:12.560 and tangibly in this life as nations are in a physical earthly sense, but that individual

01:02:18.540 person who puts saving faith in Jesus will be eternally saved. The gospel is for the Jew first

01:02:24.320 and the Gentile. We believe this. This is what the Bible teaches, but it needs to be talked about

01:02:30.240 because there's so much just intense rhetoric these days that if anybody tries to eat just

01:02:38.140 with a cool calm collected tone address these things from the scripture people immediately say

01:02:43.780 racist anti-semite um you know uh you're you're misogynist you're the all these different words

01:02:52.200 and these words that a lot of them don't really even mean anything they're just words that have

01:02:57.620 been coined to say shut up be quiet sit down stop talking because we don't like what you're saying

01:03:07.220 but we can't shut up and we can't sit down and we can't be quiet we need to we need to tell

01:03:15.760 people the truth because the truth of God's word is good for all people it's good for Jews it's

01:03:22.060 good for Gentiles we need God's truth we need Christ all right thank you guys so much for

01:03:27.920 tuning in and we hope to see you again next week

01:03:37.220 We'll be right back.

The NXR Podcast - August 31, 2023

BONUS EPISODE - Christian Nationalism Vs. Zionism

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