The NXR Podcast - BONUS EPISODE - #FontGate #G3 ｜ The Statement On Christian Nationalism And The Gospel

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00:00:43.020 All right, welcome back to another live Monday episode. I am your host, Pastor Joel Webin with

00:00:48.380 Right Response Ministries. What we're going to be discussing today is the statement on Christian

00:00:54.220 nationalism and the gospel. I am one of the contributors to this statement, so there were

00:01:01.660 about six or eight guys that were involved in the process. Two of the guys, Dusty Devers being one

00:01:07.100 of them, another guy, James, they were in it for the long haul. They were doing a lot of the

00:01:12.660 original drafting, original writing from the very beginning over the course of a few months now,

00:01:17.260 since February actually is when they began this project, recognizing that at the end of the day

00:01:22.820 we have faithful brothers that we continue to talk past one another because we need clearly defined

00:01:28.720 terms what do we mean by christian how christian are mormons christian jehovah's witness catholic

00:01:35.980 what does that mean christian uh christian uh defined by what and then we also of course

00:01:41.860 the bigger beef is probably what is a nation and what about this this uh the the last three little

00:01:48.980 letters on that word nationalism what about that ism right are we talking third reich hitler

00:01:55.040 nationalism what what kind of nationalism are we talking about so there's just been a lot of

00:02:01.180 confusion a lot of talking past one another there's been guys on both sides of the aisle

00:02:05.800 that you know have gone i think beyond the pale in ways that are unhelpful i am squarely within

00:02:12.920 the Christian nationalist position. So my true position, you guys know if you've been following

00:02:19.140 me for any length of time, is that I am confessionally reformed. I am covenant in my

00:02:25.280 theology, covenant theology. I hold to biblical patriarchy. Complementarianism is too soft for me.

00:02:31.960 Biblical patriarchy is where I would hang my hat. I'm also presuppositional. I am not a Thomist.

00:02:37.920 at the end of the day natural revelation and natural law these things i think are true there's

00:02:43.120 a true sense to them but i do not want to put my hope ultimately in man's reason man's reason is

00:02:49.300 flawed by the fall he is totally depraved including his rationale and so as a presuppositional guy

00:02:57.080 the the shortest way i could define that is when guys are making arguments about god and about his

00:03:02.560 law and about the gospel and salvation and all these different things, I'm going to say God wrote

00:03:08.400 a book. Other guys are going to say, here's the book. The book is authoritative, but the reason

00:03:13.440 you know the book's authoritative is because of these other authorities that the book's authority

00:03:17.520 rests upon. And I'm going to say, no, thank you. There are other authorities, but all of them are

00:03:23.040 ultimately secondary authorities, not primary. The Bible is the foundational authority. So I can trust

00:03:29.460 my sense perception. I can trust my reason and rationale. Laws of logic are trustworthy because

00:03:35.560 there's a God in heaven and he told me so. So what's the reliability for the Bible? I know that

00:03:41.860 the Bible is the authoritative word of God because the Bible tells me so. And if some Thomas wants to

00:03:48.860 say that's circular logic and you can't use that or whatever, at the end of the day, God wrote a

00:03:53.860 book, right? So if you're wondering, what does it mean to be Vantillian? What's it mean to be

00:03:57.540 presuppositional in the vein of Cornelius Van Til, in the vein of Greg Bonson and some of the

00:04:04.100 early Reconstructionists, you know, R.J. Rush Dooney, guys like Gary North. What does it mean

00:04:08.860 to be presuppositional in that light? Guys like James White, guys like Jeff Durbin. It means that

00:04:15.160 we're going to say God wrote a book and we can use the book. That I don't have to make all these

00:04:21.300 other arguments. I can just say God wrote the book. So my position, I am confessionally reformed.

00:04:26.080 I hold to covenant theology.

00:04:27.600 I hold to biblical patriarchy.

00:04:30.000 I am presuppositional rather than atonist.

00:04:32.780 I am Kyperian rather than, certainly not radical 2K,

00:04:36.980 but there's a distinction between radical two-kingdom theology

00:04:39.780 versus a classic two-kingdom theology.

00:04:42.840 I would disavow both, recognizing that one is far worse than the other,

00:04:47.100 but I would disavow both.

00:04:48.400 I would hold to a Kyperian, all of Christ, for all of life. 0.98

00:04:52.160 I think there are two kingdoms,

00:04:53.200 but the separation between these two kingdoms is not the common and the sacred,

00:04:57.760 but rather is the kingdom of light and darkness.

00:05:00.780 One king, Jesus Christ, over both kingdoms, light and darkness,

00:05:05.220 and three autonomous, individual, divinely instituted sovereign spheres,

00:05:10.980 the home, the church, and the state.

00:05:12.420 You can have the kingdom of darkness in the church when you have an apostate,

00:05:15.700 when you have a false teacher.

00:05:16.720 You can have the kingdom of light in the state.

00:05:19.300 It's not common, merely common. 1.00

00:05:21.340 It is sacred when you have a Christian in the civil magistrate who is living and executing

00:05:27.720 laws in a Christianly manner, all right? 1.00

00:05:30.960 So, Kuyperian.

00:05:32.540 And then lastly, or the last two, is that I would hold to general equity theonomy, and

00:05:38.080 then I would also hold to post-millennial eschatology.

00:05:42.060 So, Reformed Confessionally Reformed, 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith would be

00:05:48.220 my home where I rest.

00:05:51.340 my head um so reformed and confessionally reformed and then covenant theology not dispensationalism

00:05:57.780 uh biblical patriarchy certainly not egalitarianism also not a soft complementarianism biblical

00:06:03.680 patriarchy uh presuppositional not atonist uh kyperion all of christ for all of life two kingdoms

00:06:11.220 yes but it's light and dark not common and sacred um and then general equity theonomy god's law i

00:06:18.240 think it's theonomy or autonomy it's either god's law or man's law i will take god's law

00:06:23.020 by what standard and then lastly a hopeful eschatology post-millennial eschatology that

00:06:28.240 christ is reigning here and now the pre-millennial believes that christ will reign here but not now

00:06:34.880 the all-millennial believes that christ is reigning now but not here the post-millennial

00:06:40.780 believes that christ is reigning both here and now and progressively in real tangible ways is it a

00:06:46.420 culture war or spiritual war the answer is both yes it's a spiritual war but here's the thing

00:06:51.860 about this spiritual war the spiritual war is between the god of heaven and the devil and all

00:06:57.540 his minions and guess what god cares about the earth and the devil cares about the earth i've

00:07:03.720 found that the only entity that i'm aware of that doesn't democrats care about what happens in the

00:07:07.700 world physical tangible things so the democrats care about the world god cares about the world

00:07:12.600 the devil cares about the world the only people that don't care about the world are evangelical

00:07:16.020 christians i'm not among them not in that sense not in that way so yes it's a spiritual war

00:07:23.260 but it's both it's a spiritual war that has cultural implications and therefore it is also

00:07:28.900 a cultural war because god cares about the culture and the devil cares about the culture

00:07:33.240 and the progressives and the wokies and they care about the culture and i think that evangelical 0.57

00:07:38.020 christians should too so when i say post-millennial i'm saying that god is reigning now but not in the

00:07:45.160 17th dimension. He's not only reigning now, but he's also reigning here. The post-millennial and

00:07:51.460 the pre-millennial agree on the nature of the kingdom. The all-millennial and the post-millennial

00:07:58.940 agree on the timing of the kingdom. So the all-mill and the post-mill, they say, hey, we agree on the

00:08:03.420 timing. Christ is reigning now. Yes and amen. Pre-mill and post-mill agree on the nature of

00:08:08.700 the kingdom, that it's physical, that it's tangible, that it's real, it's actual. But the

00:08:15.280 post mill is the only one, in my assessment, even among optimistic all mill guys who I appreciate

00:08:20.020 and I'm grateful for, the post mill is the only guy with his eschatology that says Christ reign

00:08:25.300 is both here, tangible, physical realities. It has cultural effects, physical effects,

00:08:32.060 political effects. Christ is reigning here and he's reigning now. So that's my theology. So if

00:08:38.640 you're wondering well what's joel's position my position is that i'm a theonomist my position is

00:08:43.160 that i'm post-millennial my position is that i'm also a reformed baptist my position is i'm

00:08:48.500 presuppositional i'm patriarchal i'm covenantal and i am kyperian all of christ for all of life

00:08:54.780 that's my position so why christian nationalism um because you catch more flies with honey than

00:09:02.900 vinegar and as someone who's post-millennial here's one of the things i'm committed to because

00:09:07.400 I think some post-millennials, they just want to do hashtag that post-mill, but it's all just pie

00:09:11.740 in the sky. They're not serious. I'm interested in being a serious person and I'm interested in

00:09:17.460 partnering with serious people. The reason why I'm willing to wear the Christian nationalist

00:09:21.800 badge is because I'm not, it's not whether but which, right? So if you're not Christian, 0.87

00:09:27.440 there's no neutral ground. If you're not Christian, you're pagan. Secularism is just a placeholder 0.82

00:09:32.280 for paganism right so i am distinctly christian and then the nationalist side while i'm not a

00:09:37.500 tribalist i'm certainly not a globalist no thank you george soros i am a nationalist i believe in

00:09:43.380 the biblical goodness of nations that god act 17 he appoints their times and borders so i believe

00:09:51.240 in nations and i am a christian so in that sense i'm a christian nationalist i'm hosting the

00:09:56.340 theonomy and post-millennialism conference this weekend so so that's my strategy that is my

00:10:02.700 doctrinal conviction but i'm willing to not set that aside never going to set my convictions

00:10:09.160 aside but but i'm willing to work within those convictions under a larger banner that i see as

00:10:15.100 being christian nationalism that can catch more flies with honey than vinegar that can get some

00:10:20.000 other people who maybe aren't post-millennial maybe they're not theonomic maybe they're not

00:10:24.300 maybe they're not presuppositional maybe they're not even reformed in their theology and their

00:10:29.660 understanding of salvation the sovereignty of god but but they're this dispensational arminian

00:10:35.320 you know christian normie uh but but they you know what they can agree with what they can get

00:10:40.020 behind of uh they can get behind the christian nationalist mantra it apparently seems to have 0.61

00:10:46.260 come about that our mantra is this uh christian nation gooder than transing kids

00:10:51.000 christian nation gooder than trans and kids right that it's the cry of the people the blue collar

00:10:59.040 pew sitting uh baptist or anglican or presbyterian uh who just says at the end of the day yeah 0.82

00:11:05.760 christian culture is good it's a good thing and it's worth fighting for and i'd rather be in a

00:11:09.980 christian nation um that has to figure out you know blasphemy laws you know 200 years from now

00:11:15.800 than a secular humanistic nation that murders 65 million children in their mother's womb and is 0.94

00:11:23.080 sexually mutilating children. It's not that hard, right? So that guy may not be post-millennial. 0.72

00:11:28.680 He may not be theonomic, but he can get behind Christian nation gooder than transing kids, 0.90

00:11:36.560 Christian nationalism. And that's why I was willing to participate with about six or eight 0.97

00:11:40.940 other guys in writing the statement on christian nationalism and the gospel and i stand behind the

00:11:47.880 statement i think it's fantastic so i came on as one of the primary editors in the in the 11th hour

00:11:54.500 i'm making some edits with dusty deavers who's one of the the first original writers him and james

00:12:00.080 and so i stand behind the statement i think it's glorious i think it's fantastic we're going to go

00:12:05.680 over at least some of it. It's 21 affirmations and denials with kind of an introduction defining

00:12:11.920 what we mean by Christian and what we mean by nationalist. So we'll get the introduction,

00:12:18.920 those definitions of Christian and nationalists, and we'll get through as many of the affirmations

00:12:23.200 and denials as we can. I stand behind the statement. I think it's fantastic. Before

00:12:27.800 jumping into that, though, I do want to address Fontgate 2023. All right. So it's Monday. It's

00:12:35.080 the very beginning of the week, and we've wasted no time in Christian Twitter world

00:12:42.640 jumping into the next controversy. Still, it's been about a month now, controversy about Christian

00:12:48.700 nationalism, but there's been new pieces of the puzzle, new chapters in this book of the saga of

00:12:55.760 the war with Christian nationalism versus whatever. And the latest chapter starting this

00:13:03.700 week is font gate 2023. So let me go ahead and dispel some myths. Uh, number one, it is absolutely

00:13:11.620 true, uh, that the exact font, not just accidental, not, it's not a coincidence. I'm going to shoot 0.62

00:13:18.560 you straight. Not a coincidence, not accidental. It is the exact same font as the statement on 0.99

00:13:24.240 social justice and the gospel, uh, which is not G3 statement. They participated Josh Bice. I have

00:13:30.480 on good authority, that he was one of the editors that came in with final revisions. But most of the

00:13:36.360 work was actually done by Tom Askell and one other gentleman, I forget his name. So it's not G3

00:13:42.240 statement. But G3 certainly was involved in it and stood behind it and signed it. And guess what?

00:13:47.800 I signed it. And I signed it with members of my church at the time, not appreciating that I signed

00:13:52.720 it. But it was true and a good statement. It's still true and still a good statement. And so all

00:13:58.040 that being said, the statement on social justice and the gospel a few years ago, they had the exact

00:14:05.320 same font for the title of their statement and the exact same color scheme as our statement has.

00:14:14.080 Now, so that being said, so that's true. It is exactly the same. That decision was made last

00:14:20.460 night as I was sleeping in bed with my wife. So I didn't make that decision. I didn't make that

00:14:27.380 call. I did some of the final revisions. I think the content of the statement is fantastic. I stand

00:14:34.280 behind it 100%. The choice to use the exact same font and color scheme as the statement on social

00:14:40.520 justice and the gospel, that was not my decision. If I had been consulted, which I'm not offended

00:14:46.100 that I wasn't, it's fine. I don't think it's some grievous, nefarious sin. But if I had been

00:14:50.960 consulted, I would have said, no, no, let's not do that. I think it's, you know, I just think it's

00:14:56.220 dumb. Um, I think it's tacky. I think it's unnecessarily muddies the waters or, you know, 0.95

00:15:02.320 just, it's just gonna, it's just gonna poke the bear unnecessarily. The bear has already been

00:15:06.760 poked. Um, I don't think we need to poke it anymore. Let's just not do that. Uh, that would

00:15:10.880 have been my decision. Now that said, I voiced that decision. Uh, but I found out that the,

00:15:15.040 the font and color scheme was exactly the same. I found out this morning, same as you. So I found

00:15:20.000 out as it was publicly posted, uh, same, same as everybody else. So I, you know, I didn't have any

00:15:24.900 inside information on that particular decision. Since I found out, along with everybody else,

00:15:30.580 I reached out to Dusty Devers and William Wolfe and other guys who were involved in writing the

00:15:36.460 statement and editing the statement, revising it, and said, hey, change the font. That's my vote.

00:15:42.320 Now, here's the thing. Here's the irony. The Christian Nationalists, despite popular opinion,

00:15:46.720 we actually don't hold to a Protestant Pope. Because we don't hold to a Protestant Pope,

00:15:52.660 and because i'm not the protestant pope i don't have executive power to just go ahead and make

00:15:57.480 that decision so it's a team effort um but i will say that william wolf and dusty devers and

00:16:03.440 everybody else on the team agrees so guess what we're going to change the font and again uh it

00:16:10.180 wasn't an accident that would be not uh that would be untruthful it wasn't an accident uh

00:16:14.900 william wolf and dusty devers said yeah we we did it intentionally because we think it looks great

00:16:19.320 and and and because we want to say yeah this is a statement just like that a statement that is

00:16:25.740 thoroughly biblical a statement that that heralds the gospel a statement um that that that is that

00:16:32.080 is clear and and and serious and i think the serious element was actually subtracted from

00:16:39.040 by by copying the font so i gave them my two cents and guess what they said you're right so we're

00:16:44.820 going to change the font i don't know when that's going to happen uh they may change it today that

00:16:48.540 was my vote. I said, Hey, I think as soon as possible, go ahead and change the font. We don't

00:16:52.080 need any more controversy than we already have. So go ahead and change the font. And they're either

00:16:58.120 going to change it today. I'm going to let them decide because I don't control them. I'm not the

00:17:02.080 Protestant Pope and they're good guys and I love them. And whatever the decision they make, it's

00:17:07.120 at the end of the day, it matters, but it's really not that big of a deal. It's really not. We can

00:17:11.420 all just calm down and uh and not be um i want to be charitable but um not not be so emotional 0.99

00:17:21.660 effeminate i think it's a little bit effeminate i do i think choosing the same font was stupid 0.97

00:17:28.920 so i'll say that i think the response to the choosing the same font was effeminate so my side 1.00

00:17:34.940 the decision, I'll be honest, it's stupid. The other side, their response, 0.99

00:17:44.960 a little bit effeminate, emotional. It's what I would expect from, you know, maybe a response from

00:17:51.580 unregenerate women. And so, yeah, I don't like either one. Don't like either one. So the font's 1.00

00:17:58.720 going to change, but I'm not in charge. So the team is going to figure it out. They'll change

00:18:02.920 it today, or they're making some revisions. Some of you guys have already gotten to us and reached

00:18:07.820 out and said, I love the statement, but this part I think could be shored up a little bit strengthened

00:18:11.320 here. So they may take a couple of days, make the revisions and then just, and then just republish

00:18:16.480 the statement once the revisions are made with the new font. So it'll be today, change of font

00:18:22.560 only, or it'll be a few days from now, change of font and the revisions. Either way, let's go ahead

00:18:27.820 and calm down. Uh, we got that out of the way. There you have it. Um, so let's actually deal

00:18:33.080 with the statement, uh, real quick before we do, do we have any, anything in the chat? The chat's

00:18:37.820 blown up a little bit. Do we have anything worthy of addressing? Ben Bowman says, but the font was

00:18:47.140 the only reason I agreed with the statement. Well, there you go. And then I guess in God's

00:18:51.260 providence, I'm glad I wouldn't have made the decision myself, but I'm glad that we went with

00:18:54.560 the font um all right uh what's that other one let's see just in case it should have never been

00:19:00.880 the same font it made something serious petty fair fine fine with that no you know i don't

00:19:08.000 have an argument not my decision it happened and so we're going to change it uh so if you view

00:19:16.240 the response to the font as petty which i do or you view the choice of the font from the christian

00:19:23.020 nationalist side as petty, which I also kind of do. I don't think it's quite as petty, but I,

00:19:27.860 yeah, I think it was foolish. I think it was stupid. Um, great. Okay. So we'll change the 1.00

00:19:32.860 font. Uh, let's go ahead and move on and read the statement at a certain point, right? So I

00:19:40.320 understand the initial, you know, reaction with me. I don't completely understand it, but I, you

00:19:44.120 know, within reason, I understand, but eventually what you're going to have to do, and this is what

00:19:48.280 I think some of our brothers at G3 don't really want to do is you're going to have to deal with

00:19:52.720 the content you're going to have to deal with the arguments and you're going to have to deal with

00:19:58.600 the scriptural backing for the arguments and i'll tell you this straight up front just giving you 0.95

00:20:04.020 a highlight of the of the statement um it is a full-fledged repudiation of any sinful ethnic

00:20:12.920 partiality so you won't get to play the race card anymore not with us now are there christian

00:20:19.980 nationalists that might be just straight up racist yeah i've seen a few i've seen a few

00:20:24.380 but if you're dealing with us if you're tagging us in your tweets if you're talking to us and us 0.65

00:20:34.140 being dusty deavers william wolf guys like ad robles guys like joel webin um if you're dealing

00:20:41.440 with us you're not going to be able to play the race card anymore that won't work that's why we

00:20:45.860 wrote the statement so that we could stop talking past each other and you guys have told us right

00:20:51.060 because we keep saying you're you're not understanding the position and you guys and

00:20:55.340 and justly so fairly so you said well then then you need to define your terms tell us what you

00:21:01.140 mean that's what the statement is that's why we got it out there so font not a great look not a

00:21:08.940 great look i mean it is a great look it's a great font way to go guys um but not a great look copying

00:21:14.720 the font so we'll change it but we're gonna have to move on we're gonna have to move on from the

00:21:20.160 font right pettiness on both sides okay we got but we're gonna have to we're gonna have to put

00:21:25.460 that aside get on our big boy pants and be men and deal with arguments substance content scripture 0.74

00:21:35.340 theology and i'm really hoping that by the grace of god that our brothers with g3 will do that

00:21:42.600 that they'll actually engage the arguments it's going to be tough though it's going to be tough

00:21:49.080 because um there is a full repudiation of racism a full repudiation of pragmatism

00:21:56.900 a full repudiation of legalism a clear distinction between law and gospel

00:22:02.980 uh it's it's going to be hard to pick apart but we've now defined the terms

00:22:10.480 and in g3's defense part of the reason why it was difficult to know our position is because a lot

00:22:16.160 of guys are underneath this banner of christian nationalism and we're not all in agreement we're

00:22:22.120 not all in agreement but the only reason i'm willing to wear the label at all as i've already

00:22:26.900 said is because when it comes down to it i am a christian and i'm not a globalist and i'm not a

00:22:34.460 tribalist and i believe that neutrality is a myth a misnomer that classical liberalism is not

00:22:41.660 the savior that it has failed us so color me a christian nationalist and if they're a racist

00:22:48.940 like bona fide legitimate racist not just natural affection you know whatever but like

00:22:54.140 genuine race racist that come underneath that banner it's still an appropriate label and so 0.86

00:23:00.260 I'm going to wear it. And then I'll just have to clarify from time to time. Well, no, I don't agree 0.80

00:23:05.000 with him. No, I don't agree with him. But the statement would hopefully put me and others on

00:23:10.820 our team in the position where we don't have to clarify like 12 times a day. I'm hoping that we

00:23:17.040 don't get more tweets saying, do you repudiate this random Twitter follower that no one knew

00:23:23.040 existed until I actually retweeted him for his racism. Well, I'm hoping that by doing the

00:23:30.900 statement, it could be kind of a one and done situation. And that's how I'm going to treat it

00:23:36.320 from now on. So next time somebody calls me to repudiate something, I'm just telling you right

00:23:40.740 now, I'm done with that. I have spoken. Read the statement. That's my position. So I'm not going

00:23:52.300 to kowtow every 15 minutes on Twitter or YouTube or anywhere else, especially to brothers

00:24:00.040 who should give the benefit of the doubt. They should give the benefit of the doubt. So

00:24:06.060 all that being said, there we have it. So we'll fix the font. Not my decision. I think it was a

00:24:12.720 little dumb, but let me say this, but it's not nefarious. I do not believe the decision to use

00:24:19.180 that particular font and that exact color scheme was sin. Sin in the proper sense, definitively,

00:24:29.120 objectively sinful. So we're not apologizing. I want to be clear about that. We are not apologizing.

00:24:35.760 I didn't even do it and I'm not apologizing. And William Wolfe is not going to apologize. I can

00:24:41.780 tell you that right now. Dusty Devers is not going to apologize. They're going to change the font.

00:24:45.960 they're going to change the font because it's been clearly voiced that it's not appreciated

00:24:51.900 and i can understand practically why um but see false repentance waters down true repentance

00:24:59.980 and it reminds me honestly it reminds me of of the trailer for by what standard

00:25:07.260 that founders did a few years back you remember when that trailer came out and everybody lost

00:25:12.540 their minds ever i mean grown men lost their minds hysterical in the sbc outside of the sbc

00:25:19.460 all this kind of stuff and when that happened um tom askell and jared longshore god bless both

00:25:27.100 those men forever they said we are not going to repent because we have a disdain for repentance

00:25:37.180 no because we love repentance and false repentance waters down and cheapens real repentance and you

00:25:47.840 cannot truly have real repentance for something that's not real sin the founder's trailer for the

00:25:57.480 by what standard doc was not sinful in fact in the province of god it played out to be prophetic

00:26:06.560 for lack of a better word rachel den hollander is a snake like did he just say a snake yeah i'll

00:26:15.800 say it again just in case you know just to tell you how deliberate those word wording is uh she's 0.99

00:26:21.340 a snake and the trailer made it look like maybe she might be a snake and she is a snake great

00:26:29.960 trailer great trailer and even if she wasn't it was not so i mean subliminal at most very subtle

00:26:41.780 it was not sin we don't repent of things that aren't sin now not everybody felt the same way

00:26:51.460 on the founders board if you remember that fiasco at the time about half of the board resigned and

00:26:59.260 they resigned um because they disagreed with tom and jared um of over whether or not uh the trailer

00:27:07.260 um whether or not it it merited the need for repentance tom and jared said hey we can switch

00:27:15.540 things we can switch some things up uh and you know we can we can correct some things

00:27:21.620 but we're not going to repent it is not sinful we were even willing to say that maybe it wasn't

00:27:26.880 the wisest decision that if we could do it over, we would have done it better. There's other ways

00:27:31.220 to do it. We're willing to say all that. We're not willing to call it sin because we can't call

00:27:36.320 it sin. We therefore cannot repent. And they lost half the board of founders. So let me be really

00:27:42.520 clear. The font with the statement, it wasn't my decision. I wouldn't have personally made the

00:27:50.500 decision and yet i'm not going to do what the founders board did i like william wolf i'm still

00:27:59.300 on his team i like dusty deavers i'm still on his team better than i like because that's cheap

00:28:05.580 i respect william wolf he's a godly man he's a godly man in fact me being on this team with

00:28:14.380 Guys like William Wolfe and guys like Dusty Devers, if anything, I'm out of my league.

00:28:19.800 If anything, they're better men than I am.

00:28:22.480 So no, I'm not embarrassed by them.

00:28:24.200 There's not a board for Christian nationalists.

00:28:26.040 And if there was, I would not be resigning.

00:28:29.080 I will not repent.

00:28:31.020 I will not even apologize.

00:28:33.640 And I certainly will not quit on my friends.

00:28:40.320 I'm not going to do what the Founders Board did.

00:28:42.260 when i say the founders board i mean half of it tom askell is a gem god bless him forever so

00:28:48.680 um that's my position on that we'll change the font but what you have to do whoever you are

00:28:56.560 whoever's listening now is you have to read and deal with the statement on its face you got to

00:29:04.880 deal with the content the substance and so we're going to go ahead and deal with some of that now

00:29:09.840 all right here we go the statement on christian nationalism and the gospel

00:29:14.000 this is a draft version that's the last thing that we should say there will be some final revisions

00:29:20.080 and we're actually going to probably hold a summit a two-day summit sometime lord willing

00:29:25.700 this summer 2023 in the summer maybe june or july uh for anyone who's interested in hearing the

00:29:31.820 statement hearing uh us publicly teach on the statement and uh and kind of uh draw out its

00:29:38.540 sense and its meaning, give some further teaching, instruction, explanation on each of the affirmations

00:29:44.540 and denials, and then call for those who are on board to sign the statement and to get more

00:29:52.460 signatures. So this is a draft version, and we will do the final version, likely do that after

00:30:00.680 the summit, an in-person summit sometime this summer. So draft version, we're going to start

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00:32:40.260 All right, here we go. This is the draft version of the statement on Christian nationalism and

00:32:44.860 the gospel. It starts with this definition. Christian nationalism is a set of governing

00:32:49.640 principles rooted in scripture's teaching on Christ's rule as supreme Lord and King of all

00:32:55.240 creation who has ordained civil magistrates with delegated authority to be under him over the

00:33:01.960 people to order their ordained jurisdiction by punishing evil and promoting good for his own

00:33:08.840 glory that is god's own glory and the common good of the nation lots of scripture cited i'm not going

00:33:14.420 to do the scripture for each one because it'll take forever but pull up the statement you can go

00:33:18.540 to statement on christian nationalism.com statement on christian nationalism.com you'll

00:33:27.020 be able to read the statement yourself and see all the scripture citation next so that's definition

00:33:31.520 introduction while christian nationalism is primarily concerned with the righteous rule

00:33:37.420 of the civil magistrate christian nationalism is not just for magistrates just as submitting

00:33:43.560 to christ lordship is not just for magistrates but for all people after the lord jesus declares

00:33:49.520 his sovereign authority in matthew 28 18 he gives the great commission and commands his followers

00:33:55.380 empowered by his everlasting presence to make disciples of all nations and to baptize them

00:34:01.340 and teach them to obey all that i have commanded that's matthew 28 19 and 20 our lord did not

00:34:09.360 exclude all civil authorities devoted allegiance to him he did not exclude their devoted allegiance

00:34:16.640 to him we recognize the existence of other definitions of christian nationalism we certainly

00:34:22.840 do not endorse every iteration of christian nationalism and explicitly repudiate some such

00:34:28.680 forms as will be evident in our affirmations and denials you may sign this document and delineate

00:34:35.380 if you affirm civil authorities legislating both tables of the law,

00:34:40.200 first and second table of the Decalogue, the Ten Commandments.

00:34:43.160 I'll explain this part.

00:34:44.620 Or you can sign it designating that you are only adhering to,

00:34:49.660 only in support of Christian nationalism as it pertains to the second table of the law.

00:34:56.060 So let me read that again.

00:34:56.940 You may sign this document and delineate if you affirm civil authorities legislating

00:35:03.080 of both tables of the law or only the second table of the law at the end of the article what do we

00:35:09.840 mean by that the decalogue exodus 20 10 commandments first table of the law would be commandments one

00:35:15.220 through four uh that pertain um the best way we could sum that up is our duty our obligation to

00:35:21.640 love the lord our god with all our heart with all our soul and with all our mind right the first

00:35:26.060 commandment have no other gods before me forbidding idolatry do not make any graven images do not take

00:35:32.180 the Lord's name in vain, right? So that would be banning blasphemy. And then remember the Sabbath

00:35:37.120 and keep it holy. So some Christian nationalists, myself, I would be one of them. Remember, I'm a

00:35:42.380 general equity theonomist guy, post-millennial guy, Kyperian guy, presuppositional guy. So I

00:35:47.840 very much am in favor of all Ten Commandments. And not just all Ten Commandments in terms of,

00:35:54.000 well, Christians are obligated to obey these Ten Commandments. No, I believe that God gives,

00:35:58.400 this is the key on what basis does god give his law god does not give his law to on the basis of

00:36:07.720 him being savior of some rather god gives his law to humanity on the basis of him being creator of

00:36:15.920 all say that again god does not issue his law as a moral obligation to his creatures on the basis

00:36:23.940 of him being savior of some but on the basis of him being universal creator of all therefore the

00:36:32.020 law of god is not merely given to christian people but it is given by god and morally obligatory

00:36:39.140 to all people all people and that would be all of his law so it's not some of the law for some

00:36:47.480 people or all the law for some people or some of the law for all people it's all of god's word

00:36:54.060 to all people all of god's word to all people that said part of the intention in this project

00:37:01.180 this movement for lack of a better term this big tent pan protestant christian nationalism

00:37:08.380 is recognizing that not everybody's going to be a post-mill theonomist

00:37:11.920 but we want to get as many people on board as possible so there is a delineation an option

00:37:20.200 to say you know what i agree with everything in the statement except when it comes to what the

00:37:25.540 state should legislate for a nation i think it should be the second table of the law second

00:37:31.660 table of the law commandments five through ten pertaining to our love for neighbor right so

00:37:35.740 loving god commandments one through four first table of the law uh and then loving neighbor as

00:37:41.280 yourself that would be commandments number five through ten second table of the law and so we left

00:37:46.280 the option the option because we want to have a big tent we want to be successful we want to win

00:37:52.060 we want the nation to turn back to jesus we we want to see repentance we we want to see um 0.98

00:38:00.480 transgenderism and and lesbianism and uh sodomy and homosexuality and and you know all this 1.00

00:38:08.600 madness and abortion uh we want to see it stop we want to see it stop and we know that uh that 0.93

00:38:14.800 practically speaking we need numbers we can't afford i i'm not interested in storming the

00:38:20.840 gates of hell with 14 people i'm not interested in storming the gates of hell with perfect theology

00:38:28.500 but 14 people and i know that i don't have perfect theology but you with my theology that i think is

00:38:35.160 right otherwise i wouldn't hold it but with only 14 other people that agree with me rather i would

00:38:40.040 i would rather make not compromises but tactical biblically permissible concessions so guys who

00:38:48.300 signed second table only do i in the objective theological sense disagree with them and think

00:38:53.940 they're wrong therefore yes because we're not relative to this somebody's right somebody's

00:38:59.160 wrong. But we're trying to be as ecumenical in all the right ways and all the ways that we can

00:39:05.340 without compromise as possible. And there are going to be some faithful Christians that do not 0.88

00:39:09.340 think the nation, that the civil magistrate should have the authority to legislate 0.84

00:39:13.080 Sabbatarian laws. I think they're wrong about that. Not just from scripture, but even in our

00:39:20.400 own American history, they're wrong about that. We've done it before. We've done it in recent

00:39:25.480 history in this nation before. But if they're saying, yeah, but I'll storm the gates of hell

00:39:31.240 on every other item in your statement, then welcome brother, come along, come along. So

00:39:38.360 let me keep going. Um, we are honored to receive signatures now. If you affirm the statement as

00:39:47.860 it currently stands, we do not accept anonymous signatures, right? You're going to have to sign

00:39:52.700 your name. In July, we will host an editorial summit to discuss any necessary amendments

00:39:58.660 followed the next day by a conference. Details forthcoming. But if you feel like, hey, I can get

00:40:05.040 behind the statement now, then sign it. If you feel like, ah, no, I'd like to see a couple revisions

00:40:08.920 first, but this is a good start. This is a good start. Then don't sign it, but help us get the

00:40:14.120 word out there. Share it. Share it on your social media and say, I'm not signing yet. I've got a few

00:40:17.940 reservations, but I think that this is a step in the right direction. It repudiates racism,

00:40:22.020 but it also repudiates antinomianism and pietism and says that christians should care about christian

00:40:28.080 culture that's what we need right now that's what we need right now so if you can say hey i can't

00:40:33.900 quite sign it but i like where this is going i see some good potential and i'm glad that you guys are

00:40:39.660 not just talking past one another any longer but that you're defining your terms this is a good

00:40:43.840 endeavor change the font but the substance way to go then help us out you don't have to sign

00:40:50.100 that's between you and the lord and your conscience um you also don't have to share that's between you

00:40:55.380 and the lord and your conscience also but if you can't sign but are willing to share please get it

00:41:00.260 out there share the statement here we go um the authors james silberman dusty deavers those are

00:41:07.800 the two main guys and then contributing editors would be william wolf joel webin jeff wright

00:41:13.500 Corey Anderson and Ben Woodring. We affirm and deny. Here we go. So now affirmations and denials,

00:41:21.080 and that's the rest of the statement. It's just 21 affirmations and denials. We affirm and deny

00:41:25.680 the following propositions. Number one, the source of truth. We affirm that the Bible is God's word

00:41:31.900 breathed out by him as the only sufficient, certain, inerrant, infallible, necessary,

00:41:37.140 and final authority for all saving knowledge faith what we must believe and obedience how we

00:41:43.280 must live all truth claims and ethical standards must be tested by god's final word which is

00:41:50.100 scripture alone we affirm that the bible is um clear perspicuity of scripture is i always joked

00:41:57.260 that perspicuity uh is a very unclear word that means clarity so uh so let me let me read it like

00:42:04.580 that just so that that i don't lose anybody there but um all truth claims and ethical standards must

00:42:09.140 be tested by god's final word which is scripture alone we affirm that the bible is clear in all

00:42:14.060 essential matters and we think christian ethics is one of those matters not just salvation

00:42:19.760 but how we should live right the bible is breathed out by god all scripture is is inspired and

00:42:28.680 breathed out by god useful for training and and and it's it's it's clear and and infallible to

00:42:36.040 what end to just showing you how to get to heaven salvation exclusively no for all life and godliness

00:42:43.540 here's the thing about that word life life is a a pretty wide umbrella a lot of stuff falls

00:42:53.860 underneath that category of life like civil life christian ethics in life so we believe that that's

00:43:03.720 one of the things in scripture that is clear we deny that true beliefs good character or good

00:43:11.000 conduct can be dictated by any authority other than god's revelation so what we're saying right

00:43:17.820 here from the very beginning and then there's scripture every single affirmation denial is

00:43:20.820 going to have scriptural proofs so what do we mean by we deny well then the civil magistrate can't do

00:43:26.180 it no no all authority parents in the home right that's the sphere of the family pastors elders

00:43:33.260 in the church that's the ecclesiastical sphere and civil magistrates in the civil sphere the

00:43:39.400 sphere of the state they can tell people what to do they can but all authority is vested authority

00:43:45.940 They can only tell people what to do insofar as it's in line with the ultimate authority,

00:43:51.780 which is God's word.

00:43:52.860 So we're saying we deny that true beliefs, good character, or good conduct can be dictated

00:43:56.840 in an autonomous sense by strictly just because of the person's position.

00:44:04.020 Well, I'm a governor.

00:44:05.020 Therefore, I can shut down churches during COVID.

00:44:08.700 No, no, it doesn't matter.

00:44:11.340 The position, all authority is vested authority.

00:44:14.740 there's no inherent human authority all human authority is vested authority in all three

00:44:20.260 spheres in the home parents have vested authority not inherent authority vested authority by god

00:44:25.800 they have jurisdictions with their children in the church pastors have jurisdictions vested

00:44:32.180 authority by god it's you you only can go as far as the word of god allows you to go so we deny

00:44:36.940 that true beliefs good character or good conduct can be dictated by any authority other than god's

00:44:41.000 revelation. So human authorities can dictate these things like good conduct, but only insofar

00:44:46.880 as it lines up with scripture. All right, here we go. Number two, orthodox Christian faith. We

00:44:51.480 affirm the orthodox Christian faith. So here we're trying to define a little bit, right? So

00:44:55.140 Christian nationalism, well, first word that needs to be defined as Christian, right? Which Christians, 0.67

00:45:01.280 a lot of people claim to be Christians, which Christians are included in this project? We

00:45:06.460 affirm the orthodox christian faith as defined by the historic creeds e.g apostles creed nicene

00:45:12.540 creed athanasius creed which the christian church throughout church history has universally

00:45:17.200 affirmed we deny that orthodoxy is defined by any particular confessions what do we mean by that

00:45:24.900 what we're saying is that when we argue for a christian nation we are not arguing for any form

00:45:31.980 of denominationalism we're arguing for a christian nation not a presbyterian nation not an anglican

00:45:39.660 nation not an episcopalian nation i don't even know if episcopalians would argue for that

00:45:44.860 themselves not a baptist nation not a calvinist nation i think it's right no a christian nation

00:45:52.320 so so you have to set the parameters of of how narrow but also how broad so christian means uh 0.99

00:46:01.020 we, um, we are not interested in having a Muslim nation. We are not interested. I believe it's 1.00

00:46:07.900 Minneapolis that now has a citywide audible, public audible call to Muslim prayer, Islamic prayer.

00:46:17.080 No, America is not an Islamic nation. No, no. And we're also, we are, we are not, um, uh, Islam.

00:46:26.800 no judaism no judy islam is a christian heresy judaism is also a christian heresy 0.79

00:46:36.040 atheism is a religion and it is a false religion hinduism is a false religion secularism is a 0.96

00:46:44.240 false religion so christian so how narrow well christian that's how narrow it's not muslim it's 0.91

00:46:50.880 not hindu it's not atheist but how broad right setting the parameters here how broad well um

00:46:58.520 it's not denominational not setting it by confessions like the westminster which is

00:47:04.740 strictly presbyterian or the 1689 which is strictly baptist not confessions that belong

00:47:11.180 to individual denominations or strains of christian theology and tradition but rather

00:47:17.160 creeds so we're arguing for a creedal a creedal christian nationalism and the creeds have been

00:47:27.040 universally the three that we're mentioning by name apostles nicene and athanasius have been

00:47:32.760 universally affirmed by the christian church for approximately 2 000 years of church history

00:47:38.400 give or take the first three or four hundred years when they were still sorting things out

00:47:41.620 for a long time is the point and it's been affirmed these creeds by across the board

00:47:47.660 of all different kinds of denominations so that's what we're saying pan-protestant

00:47:53.480 big tent christian not presbyterian or baptist but christian and how do you define christian

00:48:01.480 will you say orthodoxy but then you have to ask the question begs the question how do you define

00:48:05.520 orthodoxy what is christian orthodoxy creedal not confessional creedal not confessional

00:48:11.200 so can you get behind the apostles creed okay great yeah we want a nation that affirms the

00:48:19.040 apostles creed that's what we want at a public level that not just the church and not just

00:48:25.260 christians privately in their homes but that the state that caesar himself the civil magistrate

00:48:32.520 that they publicly declare allegiance not just to um a god not not not a mere ambiguous theism

00:48:41.700 but they pledge their allegiance to the triune god the christian god and that they would be able

00:48:48.960 to affirm the civil magistrate publicly affirm the apostles creed in christian orthodoxy that's

00:48:56.780 what we mean by that okay the orthodox christian faith that was number two number three the standard

00:49:02.320 of justice. We affirm that God's word is authoritative on everything to which it speaks

00:49:07.820 and we affirm that God's word speaks abundantly regarding the nature and importance of civil

00:49:12.380 government and justice. We affirm that God's moral law is enduring and binding on all people

00:49:17.740 including civil magistrates and nations throughout all time and that it is that it is comprehended

00:49:24.740 summarized and comprehended in the 10 commandments. We further affirm that every political thought

00:49:30.840 must be taken captive to the obedience of christ amen we deny that there is any objective standard

00:49:37.720 by which to discern justice from injustice outside of god's revelation written on the heart of the

00:49:44.780 most perfect written on the heart and most perfectly revealed in scripture we deny that

00:49:51.340 governing officials may rule autonomously apart from the rule of christ and we deny that christians

00:49:57.800 may embrace any political ideology or position that is not rooted in scripture see that's part

00:50:04.740 of the problem with evangelicals for decades now we've said well hey there's there's religion

00:50:08.500 and then there's politics and you know what you know christians shouldn't bind the conscience

00:50:14.520 nine marks oh my goodness this makes me livid nine marks you know everybody's hopping on the

00:50:21.260 train you know they saw hey g3 is going after a christian nationalist and g3 looks like they

00:50:26.380 they're, they're relevant and nine marks. Nobody even knows who we are. Cause we shot

00:50:29.880 ourself in the foot three years ago with COVID, but we'd like to be relevant again. So maybe we'll

00:50:33.900 jump on the train of bashing Christian nationalists. And then they wrote an article

00:50:37.120 that I'm pretty sure they, they, I'm pretty sure they stole it and plagiarized it from,

00:50:43.840 from the gospel coalition. Cause that's what it reads like. They literally said,

00:50:48.060 they literally said that a Christian in a local church, you know, that we shouldn't judge about 0.96

00:50:52.120 this or that with political affiliations because a christian might vote democrat for a baby killer

00:50:57.960 a pro-abortion democrat because they have concerns about human life when it comes to climate change

00:51:05.040 that is not hyperbole i paraphrased but that is not hyperbole that that is literally what was said

00:51:12.920 in a nine marks article like i think two or three days ago

00:51:18.160 as nine marches we want to be cool too nobody cares what we have to say because

00:51:24.480 we we kowtowed

00:51:28.440 but but oh there's something cool happening again and evangelicalism we want it we want to see it

00:51:35.880 at the table and so we'll write an article about christian nationalism and and and then they say

00:51:40.640 one of the reasons we disagree with christian nationalism is because you know christians should

00:51:44.600 be able to agree to disagree on politics okay great give me an example the example like we 0.58

00:51:49.420 could agree to disagree on whether or not we should vote for baby murderers

00:51:53.300 like i've come to expect that from tim keller and the gospel coalition and now i guess i'm mad

00:52:05.240 because because i love these guys i i love nine marks and now nine marks is just

00:52:13.280 just the gospel coalition disgusting and disgusting is the proper word disgusting

00:52:20.020 so all that being said uh we deny that there is any where where was i

00:52:27.400 let's see we affirm that god's moral law is enduring and binding on all people including

00:52:33.300 civil magistrates and nations throughout all time and that is uh summarized comprehended in

00:52:39.100 the 10 commandments we further affirm that every political thought must be taken captive to the

00:52:43.000 obedience of christ we deny that there is any objective standard by which to discern justice

00:52:47.780 or injustice or justice from injustice outside of the bible god's revelation which is written on the

00:52:54.280 heart but also most perfectly revealed in scripture special revelation we deny that governing officials

00:53:00.800 may rule autonomously apart from the rule of christ and we deny that christians may embrace

00:53:05.000 any political ideology or position not rooted in scripture what we're saying in that is back to the

00:53:10.860 perspicuity of scripture, the clarity of scripture, that scripture is clear, not just on eternal

00:53:15.640 things or the way of salvation, but the scripture is also clear on civil ethics. And the scripture

00:53:21.960 therefore is clear that certain things that we like to say are merely political, that these

00:53:29.400 things are deeply theological as well. Scripture speaks to whether or not you can vote for a baby

00:53:35.520 murderer it does and scripture also speaks to whether or not you can vote for a thief aka 0.94

00:53:43.540 aoc bernie sanders socialism so we're saying no no no it's not a theology we need to get that

00:53:52.160 straight but politics is up for grabs no we're saying scripture speaks to politics and it binds

00:53:56.860 the conscience there are certain political ideologies that are actually antagonistic to

00:54:02.780 scripture and you cannot support them let's keep going this is number four now the definition of

00:54:08.360 a nation all right this is a big one we affirm that a nation is not merely an idea abstract

00:54:15.060 principle or ideology but tangibly defined it's not just america is an idea the american dream no

00:54:22.140 people in place it's tangible it's physical tangibly defined by a particular people in

00:54:30.060 a particular place. We affirm that a particular people are necessarily bound together by both a

00:54:36.100 shared culture and history and may be comprised of multiple ethnicities while sharing, right? So

00:54:43.140 you can be black, right? Red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in his sight.

00:54:47.700 You can be different ethnicities. You can be black, you can be white, you can be Latino,

00:54:52.020 but shared history, shared culture, and shared culture and history and may be comprised of

00:54:59.820 multiple ethnicities while sharing common interests, virtues, languages, and worship.

00:55:06.200 We affirm in regards to place that a nation is definitively set by both its borders and its times,

00:55:13.520 physically, literally, tangibly, physically defined by God. That's Acts 17 verse 26. It says

00:55:19.880 that God appoints, he sets the time period of nations, when they rise, when they fall,

00:55:25.400 and he sets their borders nations are not ideas they're not principles they're not dreams it's

00:55:31.540 not abstract they are places with people particular people and a particular place those people don't

00:55:37.920 have to look the same but they do have to have a common shared culture and history and interest 0.98

00:55:45.060 and virtues and worship we want we want america to be christian we don't want it to be white

00:55:52.980 we want it to be christian we we want that to be held in common by all okay

00:56:01.580 thusly we affirm that nations should rightly maintain autonomous government and sovereign

00:56:09.500 control of their people and place with the necessary rights and duties to number one

00:56:15.040 prioritize the safety prosperity and well-being of their defined limited national citizenry

00:56:22.520 first and foremost before seeking the good of non-citizens and the global population so number

00:56:29.780 one so nations are god's god's idea he sets their times and borders it's physical not just a

00:56:35.820 principle it's not just ideology it's tangible it's a people an actual people flesh and blood

00:56:42.060 in an actual place um and and the civil magistrates they have three duties that i'm

00:56:48.480 going to spell out here number one they have a duty to work towards the physical welfare

00:56:53.120 and prosperity and blessing of the citizens of their nation and not illegal immigrants

00:56:59.800 who are not citizens but the citizens of their nation and also not other nations

00:57:06.700 so let me just give you a real you know practical example 0.59

00:57:10.640 um our leaders should care more about americans than ukraine

00:57:16.380 and our leaders should not be taxing americans and using their hard-earned tax dollars 0.72

00:57:24.020 to to support um illegal immigrants who have broken the law and come into our our nation illegally

00:57:33.580 so we're saying uh christian nationalism it's not a white mono ethnic nationalism

00:57:41.360 but it is america first it is america first and christian nationalism that is not just about it's

00:57:48.360 not only for america any other nation can be a christian nationalist if you're in zambia and you

00:57:52.960 want zambia to be a christian nation then it needs to be zambia first that nations have a duty in the

00:57:58.640 civil magistrate of a particular nation has a a hierarchy of of priority and their first priority

00:58:06.040 is not to the other side of the world but to their own citizens to their own citizens so let's keep

00:58:12.840 going here that was number one in terms of their their duties civil magistrates the government of

00:58:21.000 a sovereign nation their duties is number one prioritize their people number two secure their

00:58:27.580 borders and number three punish evil within their sovereign territory so domestic evil those who are

00:58:35.440 within their borders who commit crimes. And number four, establish a necessary defense against

00:58:41.240 potential foreign evil. That's what the civil magistrate does. We're lining it out and saying

00:58:48.340 what, biblically speaking, Romans 13 is cited for this, multiple different texts.

00:58:53.420 Biblically speaking, what does the civil magistrate exist for? What are its roles,

00:58:58.800 its responsibilities its duties as designated by god it punishes evil and praises the good

00:59:07.140 do they do public schools nope they don't welfare nope they don't punish evil and not just punish

00:59:19.220 evil but praise the good in terms of punishing evil that's the big one right god gave them the

00:59:24.480 sword and not in vain they are god's avengers on the evildoer what does it mean to punish evil

00:59:29.560 well and to protect your citizens to protect the innocent what it means is that you have to have

00:59:36.580 borders and you need to police them what it means is you need to work towards the prosperity and

00:59:41.500 blessing of your nation's citizens what it means is that you punish evil domestically within your

00:59:47.580 borders you also mount a necessary defense for any potential foreign evil right that would speak

00:59:55.020 to a military being defended against foreign evil that might seek to do harm to your citizens

01:00:01.060 so you're punishing domestic evil that would be criminals within your borders mounting a

01:00:06.780 necessary whatever necessary defense is needed in order to to ward off potential foreign evil

01:00:14.780 doers and then policing your own borders and and not not being a globalist and serving other 0.83

01:00:22.700 countries at the expense of your own citizens and not serving illegal immigrants at the expense

01:00:27.460 of your legal citizens so that's number one number two secure their borders that just really goes in 0.73

01:00:33.800 with number one number three punish evil within their sovereign territory number four establish

01:00:39.500 a necessary defense against potential foreign adversaries evildoers so we've covered that

01:00:44.160 here's the denial we deny that a nation should cede its sovereignty to international bodies that

01:00:49.940 may subvert the will of the national interest for a global order we deny any efforts to establish a

01:00:57.480 one world governmental system before the return of christ as such efforts are a modern day as such

01:01:06.200 efforts are a modern day reenactment of the tower of babel so we repudiate that we further deny that

01:01:13.760 sovereign nations must be composed of mono-ethnic populations to be united under god therefore as

01:01:21.520 christian nationalists we utterly repudiate sinful ethnic partiality in all its various forms we

01:01:29.000 repudiate sinful ethnic partiality in all its various forms we must be united common interests

01:01:35.920 virtues religion worship shared history shared culture all those kinds of things we don't have

01:01:43.280 to have the same skin pigment in order to be united in that way so it doesn't have to be

01:01:47.900 mono-ethnic it can be diverse in terms of ethnicities within a sovereign nation but we

01:01:54.720 are not globalist we're not globalist we deny any efforts to establish a one world order which

01:02:02.360 is really just a reenactment of the tower of babel all right let's go on this is number five

01:02:09.060 We affirm that in addition to possessing the titles of Savior, Messiah, and many others,

01:02:16.660 Jesus, the Son of God, who is truly God, is also the King of all earthly kings,

01:02:21.700 the Lord of all earthly lords, and the lawmaker for all earthly lawmakers.

01:02:26.820 He is the possessor of all authority in heaven and on earth.

01:02:31.260 We affirm that as God, Jesus Christ is preeminent over all creation,

01:02:36.260 sovereignly rules over all things visible and invisible in heaven earth and hell and ordains

01:02:43.940 all things according to the counsel of his perfect will for the good of those who are in him

01:02:49.480 in his mediatorial role or rule rather christ rules by his spirit and word through earthly

01:02:58.200 authority which he has which he divinely has ordained to execute his will on the earth to

01:03:04.920 orient humankind toward himself we affirm that christ alone through the blood of his cross

01:03:11.100 grants repentance and forgiveness of sins to reconcile sinners to his father here's the denial

01:03:18.320 we deny any theology which would seek to segregate sacred aspects of life where god's word is

01:03:27.640 authoritative and supposedly secular aspects of life where the christian must operate by a standard

01:03:34.260 other than god's word we deny any theology which claims that bringing god's word into the civil

01:03:40.920 sphere is unwise or unfruitful or sinful or anything other than fitting and required we

01:03:48.240 deny that jesus kingship and lordship are merely heavenly or that his word is only authoritative

01:03:55.800 over confessing christians that's what i kind of started all this way his word his law word is

01:04:02.380 given not on the basis of being savior of christian people but on the basis of him being

01:04:08.220 universal creator of all people so we deny any theology that would try to segregate divorce

01:04:15.540 sacred at uh sacred aspects of life where god's word is authoritative and then supposedly secular

01:04:23.520 realms of life where christian a christian must operate by some other standard other than god's

01:04:30.680 word we also deny any theology that claims that bringing god's word into the civil sphere is

01:04:35.920 unwise unfruitful sinful or anything other than fitting and required we must bring his word into

01:04:42.400 the civil sphere and we deny that jesus kingship and lordship are merely heavenly or that his word

01:04:49.740 is only given to christian people rather than all people his kingship and lordship is also it's

01:04:55.600 heavenly and earthly and his word is given not only to christian people but all people that's

01:04:59.940 number five number six the identity of civil off officials and the source of their authority we

01:05:06.860 affirm that the civil officials are god's deacons of justice therefore they must obey his commands

01:05:12.900 and rule under his authority we affirm that all human authorities including civil officials

01:05:18.320 possess authority only as it has been delegated to them by god and accordingly are accountable

01:05:24.880 to him for how they wield their delegated authority in accordance with god's prescriptions for civil

01:05:30.840 government as revealed in his word we deny the authority of civil officials and documents to

01:05:37.900 contradict what god has said in his word or to govern beyond the bounds of god's word has

01:05:44.560 established for them number seven the duty of civil authorities we affirm that god has armed

01:05:51.740 civil magistrates with the sword of justice to promote citizens welfare without partiality

01:05:57.760 number one by writing and enforcing just laws as god defines justice which are a terror to those

01:06:05.060 who do evil as god defines evil number two by defending and approving those who do good

01:06:11.560 as god defines good and number three by avenging victims of crimes with proportional punishments

01:06:18.380 for evildoers eye for an eye tooth for a tooth life for a life we affirm that civil authorities

01:06:25.960 must ensure that the church shall enjoy the full free and unquestioned liberty of distort

01:06:31.260 just discharging every part of their sacred functions without violence or danger the civil

01:06:37.880 authorities must discharge this duty without showing favoritism to or biased against any

01:06:43.980 Christian any particular Christian denomination for their historic beliefs and teachings this

01:06:50.120 includes but is not limited to their teachings and beliefs concerning the immutability of biological

01:06:55.820 sex the union of marriage as existing solely between one man and one woman and other historic

01:07:02.340 Christian teachings on sexual morality we affirm that the government has the right to intervene

01:07:07.580 to prevent or stop any ceremonial religious practices that violate the natural law and

01:07:14.120 welfare of mankind including but not limited to child sacrifice polygamy child sexual exploitation

01:07:21.840 acts of religious masochism and so forth we're saying that the state actually has an obligation

01:07:28.980 it has an obligation to believe on these issues what the bible says that there are two genders

01:07:35.440 not 86 and that the state must operate in such a way to protect the freedom of the church

01:07:44.040 that the church can be the church and it should do so without partiality to any particular

01:07:49.480 denomination the state and we're arguing for a christian nation so we believe that america

01:07:54.560 should be a christian nation and as such that the civil magistrate in america should absolutely

01:08:00.300 prioritize the christian faith and give partiality special treatment to the christian faith over false

01:08:09.280 religions but not partiality within the christian faith within christian orthodoxy which is defined

01:08:14.640 at the beginning of the document in regards to particular christian denominations okay

01:08:19.500 we deny that civil authorities are tasked with being the primary caretakers of citizens or

01:08:28.440 educators of children no nanny state as these duties belong primarily to families and the

01:08:35.880 church we deny that the civil government should endeavor to take on these responsibilities

01:08:40.220 and we deny that they do so to the benefit of society rather such charity charity in quotations

01:08:48.660 marks because it's rarely charitable it rather charity displaces families by creating a culture

01:08:56.520 of dependence upon a nanny state and its education often debauches children with godless philosophies

01:09:04.320 and perverse instruction we deny that in scripture god ever approves of tolerance towards depravity 0.63

01:09:10.980 like child sacrifice and mutilation and drag queen story hour we would follow our king and he does

01:09:18.680 no such thing that's a good one number eight the purpose of civil government we affirm that god's

01:09:25.000 purpose for civil government is to orient citizens toward the true and eternal through the

01:09:30.240 establishment of justice for his glory and the good of his image bears, whether or not they

01:09:35.740 possess saving faith. We affirm that unjust laws, for example, those which permit child sacrifice

01:09:42.340 often debauch a people and that just laws often have an evangelistic impact. All right.

01:09:49.980 i'm gonna have to clarify a little bit here it's in the statement i'll keep reading but we do

01:09:57.280 believe the civil magistrate has an evangelistic effect an evangelistic effect because the civil

01:10:03.460 magistrate is not called to gospel ministry and the gospel is the only power of god for salvation

01:10:09.020 to all who believe first for the jew then for the greek the civil magistrate does not save

01:10:14.220 and the law does not save even just right biblical laws do not save no man will be saved by works as

01:10:20.460 done unto the law the gospel of free grace which is by grace alone through faith alone in christ

01:10:27.080 alone is the only power of god to save yet the civil magistrate in its duty to legislate righteous

01:10:35.720 laws that accurately reflect god's justice as the bible defines it it does have an evangelist

01:10:43.180 effect in the sense that there is the law functions as a tutor and when we have just laws

01:10:49.840 there is a discipleship element where just laws actually shape a people to recognize if you have

01:10:57.280 just laws it accurately reflects god's justice and in accurately reflecting god's justice it

01:11:03.880 reveals our sinfulness and therefore drives us to christ shows us our need for a savior

01:11:10.740 Charles Spurgeon said a man cannot appreciate the beauty of Christ unless he first comes to see the

01:11:15.000 necessity for Christ and the way we see the necessity for Christ this is the first use of

01:11:20.320 the law that the law functions as a mirror it reveals to us the holiness of God and therefore

01:11:25.180 by way of consequence it reflects to us the sinfulness of man the the infinite chasm in

01:11:30.620 between and therefore our desperate need for Christ and in so far as the civil magistrate

01:11:35.140 upholds biblical just laws it then accurately reflects the true holy nature of the triune god

01:11:41.760 in such a way that man can better see his own sinfulness and need for the law which saves the

01:11:49.060 state which saves no the gospel of jesus christ which saves we deny that the purpose of civil

01:11:55.420 government is to establish a secular neutral godless order and we deny that any government

01:12:01.220 is capable of neutrality because every individual and system has moral preferences and functional

01:12:08.140 gods for example ultimate allegiances and ultimate standards by which they judge reality

01:12:15.280 we further deny that natural law is a standard different or apart from god's moral and universal

01:12:22.260 law which is summarized and comprehended in the ten commandments natural so what we're saying

01:12:28.340 right there is that natural law is synonymous with moral law, which Stephen Wolf, in his

01:12:35.000 articulation, the case for Christian nationalism, he would agree on that point as well. So natural

01:12:41.060 law is not something less than the Ten Commandments. The natural law written on the hearts

01:12:46.900 of men is the moral law of God as expressed in the scripture. Okay. Number nine, sphere

01:12:56.140 sovereignty we affirm that god has established spheres spheres of authority such as the home

01:13:01.880 or family to include oneself and individual conscience and household economics the church

01:13:08.460 and the state we affirm that god has given unique responsibilities and instructions to authorities

01:13:14.760 within each sphere authorities in each sphere are subject to the rule of christ each retaining

01:13:21.780 sovereignty over its own sphere while being checked and balanced by the other two parents

01:13:27.860 as the authority in the home wield the rod for the purposes of instruction training and discipline

01:13:34.160 in wisdom and righteousness the church wields the keys of the kingdom for the binding and loosing

01:13:40.220 of gospel professions and god's word in preaching the law and gospel for conversion sanctification

01:13:47.280 and discipleship. And the state wields the sword as God's servants to maintain justice and civil

01:13:54.420 order by punishing evildoers, avenging the innocent, commending the good, and ensuring 0.64

01:14:00.160 that wholesome societal conditions are righteously upheld so that all men may lead a quiet and

01:14:06.140 peaceful life in all godliness and honesty. We affirm that Jesus Christ has appointed over his

01:14:14.040 church both government and discipline and no law of any government should interfere or hinder

01:14:20.820 the due exercise thereof among the voluntary members of any denomination of christians

01:14:27.660 according to their own profession and belief we deny that human authority in any sphere

01:14:34.600 possesses absolute or unchecked authority even within their sphere all human authority is vested

01:14:41.940 authority not inherent so we deny that human authority in any sphere church home or state

01:14:48.320 possesses absolute or unchecked authority even within their designated sphere as christ delegates

01:14:55.640 all human authority therefore all are accountable to christ and his moral law we further we deny

01:15:02.940 that civil authorities may assume to themselves the administration of the word and sacraments

01:15:08.240 or the power of the keys of the kingdom of heaven but must be uniquely protective of the free

01:15:14.400 exercise of the christian faith according to the dictates of conscience under the orthodox christian

01:15:21.400 faith so the civil magistrate can't serve the sacraments or the word or the power of the keys

01:15:28.220 of the kingdom of heaven but it does have an obligation a moral obligation under god to

01:15:36.060 protect the free exercise of christians not muslims but christians and the christian church

01:15:43.540 according to the dictates of conscience under the orthodox christian faith not a presbyterian

01:15:50.500 state not a baptist state but you bet you by golly a christian state number 10 on nationalism

01:15:58.500 and policy priorities we affirm that nations possess the inviolable right to establish justice

01:16:06.700 and safeguard the peace and prosperity of their own citizens in the face of unjust international

01:16:12.280 pressures we affirm that the specific short-term priorities of christian nationalism in the

01:16:17.860 context of the united states are repentance and faith which lead to the abolition of abortion

01:16:23.360 placing parents in control of education caring for widows and orphans and de-weaponizing the

01:16:29.880 federal and state bureaucracies i love this part de-weaponizing the federal and state

01:16:36.480 bureaucracies which target christians for censorship and persecution securing our borders

01:16:44.440 recapturing our national sovereignty from godless global entities who present a grave threat to

01:16:50.800 civilization such as the united nations the world health organization and the world economic forum

01:16:57.860 etc and exercising far more restraint in american international military intervention

01:17:05.220 and adventurism in overseas democracy building far more restraint we affirm that different forms

01:17:14.160 of government can achieve just laws and we do not seek to coerce other nations into one

01:17:20.380 particular form of government so what that's saying is get rid of the united nations get rid

01:17:26.560 of the wef the world economic forum the world health organization what a joke that's been um

01:17:32.960 no we also you get rid of the fbi while we're at it just saying um that that's what it's talking

01:17:43.380 about. And let's stop this global empirical export of our sacred democracy. You can have a

01:17:52.820 monarchy. I'm not arguing for it here. I don't think it's the best form of government. But

01:17:58.180 biblically speaking, we're Christians and we need to be a Christian nation. And if we're a Christian

01:18:03.480 nation, then the goal is not to export democracy to other nations. No, it's to export the gospel

01:18:11.280 to other nations by sending missionaries not by sending military right so we're not necessarily

01:18:17.420 saying that we need to be full-fledged isolationist but we certainly do not need to be the the global 0.96

01:18:23.400 globalistic imperialistic um homo jihad empire that we've been for the last few decades 0.93

01:18:31.660 definitely don't need to do that and we don't need to go into nations and and export democracy

01:18:38.120 we can send missionaries into nations to export the gospel and discipleship and as people are

01:18:46.600 saved by the preaching of the gospel and discipled in god's word including his law and his moral

01:18:51.940 obligations for civil magistrates in that nation then they can be a christian nation too and not

01:18:57.760 all of them will be a christian nation that's a constitutional republic i'm a bit partial to that

01:19:02.940 one. I think it's a good form of government. But we may have some Christian nations that

01:19:07.580 have a Christian prince that are a monarchy, but Christian. The goal is not to export democracy 0.92

01:19:14.800 in third world countries. The goal is to put America first as Americans and every other

01:19:24.040 Christian nation to put their citizens first and to be Christian, be Christian. We deny, 1.00

01:19:29.460 here we go uh we deny that seeking to maintain and assert national sovereignty against wicked

01:19:35.420 global entities has anything to do with dislike for any particular race or not or nation we deny

01:19:43.320 that the sin of racism has any place in the church of jesus christ or in a nation that seeks to honor

01:19:49.300 him on the contrary a christian nation would be an m would be impartial in its judgment number 11

01:19:57.140 big picture agenda we affirm that the christian nationalist project entails national recognition

01:20:04.360 of essential christian orthodoxy as a christian consensus under jesus christ the supreme lord and

01:20:11.980 king of all creation and the establishment of the general equity of the ten commandments as a

01:20:17.240 foundational law of the nation we affirm the responsibility of civil authorities to protect

01:20:22.860 the soul not to convert the soul and there is a difference alternative option right so that's

01:20:30.920 that's one because we're leaving a couple options here you can be a second table guy

01:20:34.200 only or you can be a all ten commandment guy i'm an all ten commandment guy but we want to have a

01:20:39.280 big tent alternative option for those who affirm legislating only the second table we affirm that

01:20:45.620 the christian nationalist project entails a national recognition of essential christian

01:20:50.100 orthodoxy as a christian consensus under jesus christ the supreme lord and king of all the world

01:20:56.140 and the establishment of the general equity of the second table of the ten commandments as the

01:21:01.000 foundational law of the nation with warnings informing of the consequences of blaspheming

01:21:07.060 the one true and living god warnings of blaspheming the one true and living god often resulting in

01:21:14.320 second table violations namely the harming of our neighbors lives and property pretty good

01:21:21.020 we deny that laws against public blasphemy coerce conversion right because the guys who

01:21:27.300 would sign that first article be being first and second table guys not just second only but first

01:21:32.060 and second all ten commandments uh we said at the end of that we affirm the responsibility of civil

01:21:36.960 authorities to protect the soul but not to convert the soul because they can't only the gospel can

01:21:43.160 do that. So here in the denial, we spell that out just with a little bit more clarification. We

01:21:47.800 deny that laws against public blasphemy, for instance, coerce conversion or hinder religious

01:21:54.180 liberty in private. Let me use the Sabbath, Sabbatarian laws for just a moment. The civil

01:22:00.500 magistrate, I believe, has a right. I believe that the civil magistrate has a right to enforce

01:22:06.580 Sabbatarian laws. I don't think this is going to happen tomorrow. The church lives in light of

01:22:10.980 eternity. Therefore, it can afford to be patient. Remember, I'm post-millennial, so I'm down for a

01:22:15.600 200-year plan. However, I do think that that is perfectly biblical and honors God if you have a

01:22:21.520 Christian nation and the civil magistrate enforces the Sabbath. But what do we mean by that? The best

01:22:26.800 way I've heard it expressed is like this. The state does, in fact, have the authority to mandate

01:22:33.120 a day of rest, but only Christ, who is Lord of the Sabbath, can mandate a day of worship.

01:22:40.980 the state can mandate a day of rest but only christ who actually can change the heart of man

01:22:49.720 to be worshipful to actually desire the living god only christ can institute a day of worship

01:22:56.920 but the state can institute and mandate a day of rest so what are we talking about sabbatarian laws

01:23:03.000 that uh that you're going to have um civil magistrates state informants in every single

01:23:08.880 local church uh keeping attendance to see who who went to church that day no no all what we mean by

01:23:16.920 sabbatarian laws for guys who are first and second table and you don't even have to be first and

01:23:20.260 second table to sign this statement you could be second table only guy but for those like me who

01:23:24.000 are first and second table we're saying uh the the state um what do we mean by sabbatarian we

01:23:29.540 mean uh chick-fil-a that's what we mean closed on sunday chick-fil-a we don't mean that the state

01:23:36.620 forces church attendance. We don't mean that the state is policing things in people's homes.

01:23:43.880 We mean that as a society, that there are certain, you would pay certain fines for opening your

01:23:50.560 business on the Lord's Day. That as a society, we work six days and we rest on the seventh. And

01:23:56.160 those who are regenerate by the power of the gospel, which alone can change the human heart,

01:23:59.880 will rest in worship of the triune God. And those who are unregenerate would still have a

01:24:04.560 a general Christian tradition and culture and would rest from their work, but ultimately would

01:24:11.680 not be worshiping because they're not saved. They wouldn't be worshiping, at least in the 0.76

01:24:16.480 truest sense. They may still attend church, which would be wonderful because hopefully they hear

01:24:20.000 the gospel and they get saved and worship in the truest sense. So that's what we mean with that.

01:24:23.820 Moving on, number 12, on the vocation and calling of Christian officials and legislators. We affirm

01:24:30.380 that in God's ordinary providence he works in the world

01:24:33.920 by his grace through the Holy Spirit through human means

01:24:37.220 to glorify himself in extending the mediatorial rule of Christ

01:24:42.100 by calling to and gifting Christians for vocation

01:24:45.500 to rule according to his word in civil government. 0.72

01:24:48.820 We affirm that citizens are to submit to our rulers

01:24:52.340 as unto Christ for his glory and our good.

01:24:56.220 We affirm the need for more theologically sound Christians

01:24:59.660 to enter the political realm to proclaim the excellencies of christ and his law while calling

01:25:06.120 ungodly governments and governing officials to repentance we deny any theology which holds that

01:25:13.920 christian participation in the civil realm is necessarily unwise unfruitful sinful or anything

01:25:21.300 other than fitting and then a fitting and necessary vocation and calling for christians in other words

01:25:28.700 we are saying perhaps not in the exact same way but in a like sense in a like manner

01:25:35.420 first timothy 3 1 if any man aspires to the office of an elder an officer in the church

01:25:42.180 he desires a noble task likewise if any man any christian man aspires to the office of a civil

01:25:51.100 magistrate in the civil realm we believe that that is also a noble desire and that god blesses that

01:25:58.240 and we deny and repudiate any theology which would hold that christian participation in the

01:26:06.160 civil realm is unwise or unfruitful or sinful or anything other than fitting which there's a lot

01:26:12.640 contained in that and it's all spelled out in the statement and what i've read so far and what i'll

01:26:16.300 read here in a moment but one thing i just want to draw your attention whatever theology you choose

01:26:22.340 to hold it must be a theology that encompasses a christian who's serving in the civil magistrate

01:26:29.940 what i mean by that is either your theology says uh that that christians can't be civil magistrates

01:26:39.660 can't run for city council can't be a governor can't be a police officer can't be in the military

01:26:45.280 can't this can't that or you say that christians can be in those spaces and that it's noble and

01:26:52.960 right and pleases the lord it is nothing to be ashamed of that it's not unwise that it's not

01:26:57.780 unfruitful but here's the kicker if you affirm that a christian can can serve as a civil magistrate

01:27:04.520 then you must also affirm that a christian can serve as a civil magistrate in a christian manner

01:27:10.860 you cannot say young man you cannot say as a pastor young man you you can you can hold the

01:27:18.560 vocation of a civil magistrate but you can't do that and also follow the scripture you need to

01:27:26.440 be a biblical christian in every realm of your life in your home in your marriage and your

01:27:29.580 parenting here at church and your recreation but when you go to work you need to take that 0.99

01:27:34.680 christian hat off do you hear how asinine that is how foolish that is so either your doctrine 0.97

01:27:44.200 it must be if you're going to be consistent because that's inconsistent so you only have 0.99

01:27:49.020 two other options because it can't be that one it's either your biblical doctrine is just

01:27:53.860 straight up pietism and certainly at least pietism may be a bit of a stretch but i'm using it in a

01:27:59.220 certain sense but certainly pacifism is a proper word your doctrine is is that you're a pacifist

01:28:04.360 and that Christians cannot serve in the military

01:28:06.020 and they cannot serve as civil magistrates, 0.68

01:28:07.580 they can't be a governor,

01:28:08.420 can't be a city council member,

01:28:09.760 can't be a police officer,

01:28:10.840 can't be this, can't be that.

01:28:13.100 Or, that's your position,

01:28:15.440 that if you're a Christian, 0.70

01:28:16.460 you just can't be in the civil realm. 0.93

01:28:20.060 Or, your position has to be,

01:28:22.040 you can be a Christian in the civil realm

01:28:23.480 and not only is it permissible,

01:28:24.860 but it actually pleases the Lord

01:28:26.520 and it's honorable.

01:28:27.720 It's honorable.

01:28:28.960 And you're going to do so as a Christian,

01:28:31.160 faithfully.

01:28:31.520 and you're not going you're not going to operate under the delusion as though neutrality was a

01:28:40.140 thing you're going to know that every man has an allegiance they're either for christ or against

01:28:45.060 them there is good and evil in the world and good is defined by the standard of god's word

01:28:51.940 and you're going to go as a civil magistrate and serve your citizens faithfully with good laws

01:28:59.600 and and good work defined by god's definition of goodness which is his work that's that's it so

01:29:09.640 it's either you're allowed to be a christian magistrate but you do so as a christian you're

01:29:14.360 allowed to be a civil magistrate but you have to be able to be a christian in as a civil magistrate

01:29:19.860 or you're not allowed to be uh if you're a christian you're not allowed to be a civil

01:29:23.440 magistrate it's one of those two positions and i think this one's bad the one that says if you're

01:29:27.940 christian you can't be in the civil realm but it's one of those two those two positions one's

01:29:33.580 bad one's good but at least they're both consistent what's inconsistent is to say

01:29:37.720 that christians are called to submit to the lordship of christ in every facet of life

01:29:42.640 except if they're a civil magistrate when they go to work

01:29:46.340 that i mean that's that's silly all right number 13 the great commission we affirm that christ

01:29:53.240 This commissioning of his church to make disciples of all nations,

01:29:56.840 baptizing them and teaching them to obey all that he has commanded,

01:29:59.760 includes civil authorities,

01:30:01.540 who are to be called to repentance, faith, and obedience to Christ.

01:30:05.280 We affirm that the church is to instruct civil authorities

01:30:08.160 regarding their identity and duties as rulers before the throne of Christ.

01:30:11.940 We affirm that this duty is a great commission issue.

01:30:16.140 We deny that there is any sphere of life

01:30:18.380 in which the command to teach them to obey all I have commanded

01:30:21.500 does not apply including politics and government number 14 the uses of the law we affirm that

01:30:29.200 applying the general equity core moral principle of the 10 commandments to a nation's laws number

01:30:34.340 one reflects to citizens both the perfect righteousness of god and our own sinfulness

01:30:39.040 and shortcomings number two secure civil order by restraining evil through protecting the righteous

01:30:44.820 from the wicked and number three guides christians into good works that god has planned for them

01:30:50.820 and thus are an essential aspect of keeping the Great Commission

01:30:55.020 in teaching all nations to obey everything Christ commanded.

01:30:59.920 Further, we affirm that God issues his law in common grace

01:31:04.600 based on being the creator of all.

01:31:07.360 We affirm that God issues his effectual call in the gospel

01:31:11.260 based on being the savior of many.

01:31:15.140 We affirm that no man will be saved by works done under the law,

01:31:19.380 even just laws yet we affirm that the law is a tutor and when laws are just they accurately

01:31:26.040 reflect the character of god and in this way alone just uh just christian governments serve

01:31:32.580 the church in its mission of evangelism we affirm that the civil authorities possessing

01:31:37.600 a moral and spiritual foundation and orienting citizens towards a concept of truth and morality

01:31:44.060 is an inescapable reality this is number 14 i like this one because this was one of my revisions

01:31:51.780 so i i did a lot of this writing i think it's fantastic super biased but i think it's good um

01:31:57.780 we deny now that god we deny that god intended the law um as uh as um summarized and comprehended

01:32:07.400 in the ten commandments for application solely in the old covenant but rather that it represents

01:32:14.440 the enduring righteousness of god that is to be loved and obeyed for the good of man and of the

01:32:20.480 glory of god so the ten commandments are given to all people in all times in all places not just

01:32:26.900 not just for israel under the old covenant number 15 on the distinction between law and gospel

01:32:33.980 we affirm that the content of the gospel is the good news of god acting in the person and work

01:32:41.040 of jesus christ to reconcile sinners and all of fallen creation to himself the essential elements

01:32:46.800 of the gospel are number one god who created all things is perfectly holy number two all men were

01:32:51.940 created for god's glory but have sinned and fallen short of his glory and the deserved penalty of our

01:32:57.440 sin is death and eternal damnation number three the son of god jesus christ while maintaining his

01:33:03.560 divinity became flesh in the womb of mary lived a sinless life became sin on the cross and as a

01:33:10.460 substitute died the death that we deserve rose from the dead three days later and ascended to

01:33:16.240 the right hand of the father and number four by the grace of christ atoning work both his passive

01:33:22.140 and active obedience on our behalf and through faith in that work the free gift of salvation

01:33:28.440 is offered to all who would repent of their sin and believe on jesus christ we affirm that salvation

01:33:34.260 is by grace alone through faith alone in christ alone according to the scripture alone to the

01:33:40.020 glory of god alone furthermore we affirm that god gave adam a law of universal obedience written on

01:33:48.420 his heart this same law continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the fall and was

01:33:54.680 delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in Ten Commandments. Obedience to this moral law is

01:34:00.940 the delight of all who are born again in Christ, those empowered by the Holy Spirit to love and

01:34:06.900 keep the law. The general equity of this law is the essential moral principle embedded by God in

01:34:13.480 each command, which all men are bound by God to obey, reflects God's holy character, and applies

01:34:20.980 in various circumstances in each sphere of life furthermore we affirm that good works done by

01:34:28.060 christians in obedience to god's commandments are the fruits and evidences of a true and lively

01:34:34.180 faith and are valuable for assurance of salvation we affirm that to keep the law is to love god

01:34:41.020 completely and our neighbor as ourselves we affirm that living in a christian nation oriented toward

01:34:48.100 the true and the eternal provides cultural conditions conducive eat your heart out g3

01:34:55.280 cultural conditions conducive to the spread of the gospel for salvation the perpetuation

01:35:03.220 and thriving of the family the perso uh perso preservation and advancement of the christian

01:35:11.980 church and the abundance of common grace to the unbelieving we deny that the content of the gospel

01:35:19.880 includes obedience to the law and that any work of obedience merits salvation we deny that law

01:35:27.000 keeping contributes in any way to justification before god or declaring the sinner righteous

01:35:32.880 based on anything other than faith on christ in his passive and active obedience we deny that the

01:35:40.120 law can be separated from the love of the personal god who gave the law we deny that citizenship in

01:35:47.680 a god-glorifying christian nation or anything outside of the above affirmation has any saving

01:35:54.660 power there you have law and gospel the same kind of principled thinking that the theologian the

01:36:04.000 pastor employs in thinking about the inner workings the relationship between the law and the gospel

01:36:10.000 keeping them distinct but also seeing them work together hand in glove take that same

01:36:15.220 principled thinking of distinctions with law and gospel and apply it to the church and the state

01:36:21.880 that's it the law doesn't save obedience to the law doesn't save likewise christian culture

01:36:30.020 doesn't save it's not salvific but here's the deal it's good it's good and we think that it

01:36:37.660 aids in salvation. Christian culture doesn't save, but it sure as heck doesn't damn. And as a wise 0.98

01:36:44.420 man once said, I've said several times before, I'll say it again, Christian culture gooder than 0.97

01:36:49.020 transing kids. Christian culture gooder than transing kids. That's my theological position. 0.90

01:36:57.140 Number 16, on civil disobedience. We affirm that categorical opposition to civil disobedience

01:37:03.960 is idolatry of the state let me say that again on civil disobedience we affirm that categorical

01:37:11.480 opposition to civil disobedience is idolatry of the state meaning categorical that in every case

01:37:18.940 you would just say you can't ever exercise opposition to the state we would say that's

01:37:24.800 idolatry of the state we affirm that civil disobedience is the proper christian response to

01:37:31.280 to civil dictates which number one command what god forbids number two forbid what forbid what

01:37:39.080 god commands number three overstep their jurisdiction number four buying the conscience

01:37:45.080 where god alone has jurisdiction or number five have no basis in rationality meaning a just law

01:37:53.160 is always a rational law we affirm further that lesser magistrates may and sometimes must disobey

01:38:01.660 a lawless higher magistrate to obey god a lesser magistrate at times may and must disobey a lawless

01:38:10.720 higher magistrate in order to be obedient to god if the higher magistrate is being rebellious to

01:38:16.600 god for example lesser magistrates such as a as state governments counties and municipalities

01:38:23.400 must disregard any order statute or ruling from a higher magistrate such as the federal government

01:38:30.820 instructing them to allow abortion that would be an example we deny we deny that men's consciences

01:38:39.000 homes churches or states are bound by legal or moral inventions of men apart from the word of

01:38:45.620 god we further deny that civil authorities have the right to coerce or command obedience to the

01:38:52.240 dictates of men apart from god's word moreover we deny that authority of rulers we deny the

01:38:59.780 authority of rulers to quelch civil disobedience if the free and necessary worship of the triune

01:39:07.080 god is at stake stake or being hindered that's number 16 almost done guys we're going to make

01:39:15.160 number 17 methodology we affirm that the kingdom of god does not advance by carnal means but by the

01:39:22.120 working of the spirit in bringing men to repentance and faith in jesus christ we affirm that culture

01:39:28.840 affects law and that law also affects culture we affirm that while political maneuvering and

01:39:35.160 cultural expertise can be good and helpful god works most powerfully through bold proclamation

01:39:41.780 of his truth by his people we affirm that god in his ordinary providence makes use of means

01:39:49.560 yet is free to work without above and against them at his pleasure we deny that pragmatism

01:39:57.280 should be the driving force behind the decision making of any christian movement it's the word of

01:40:04.380 god number 18 just war just war we affirm we affirm that war is only to be waged one these

01:40:15.260 are just basically seven principles of just war theory here we go number one for a just cause

01:40:20.680 involving the protection of human life from persecution number two as a last resort when

01:40:26.480 peaceful methods of conflict resolution have been diligently pursued and exhausted old language

01:40:32.120 would say after full diplomacies number three in pursuit of achievable goals not ideological wars

01:40:40.040 needs to be achievable winnable number four with a pure motive and intention of establishing

01:40:45.360 peace and justice as quickly as possible number five by moral means that scrupulously avoid

01:40:52.600 civilian casualties and only inflicts as much violence as is necessary for the achievement

01:40:59.100 of the objective we affirm that even when a war is just according to the above criteria

01:41:05.860 nations should be extremely cautious in discerning whether a proposed war is wise

01:41:11.480 taking every contingency into account we affirm that many imperial wars have been waged throughout

01:41:17.940 human history primarily for self-serving purposes such as vainglory or acquiring money land or

01:41:25.600 natural resources and that those who declare and wage such a war are guilty of the sin of murder

01:41:32.100 amen we deny that war is ever a means by which the gospel is to be spread we're not arguing for

01:41:41.740 the spanish inquisition okay there you go we deny that war is ever a means by which the gospel

01:41:48.420 or simply good ideas about government and society are to be spread we deny that holy wars are ever

01:41:57.400 morally permissible we deny that governments may coerce civilian participation in unjust wars

01:42:05.040 number 19 imago de and equal protection we affirm that all civil authorities have a duty before god

01:42:14.260 to uphold justice by establishing equal protection under the law for all image bearers of God

01:42:20.320 from the moment of fertilization which is conception. Not implantation, fertilization

01:42:27.720 which is conception. We affirm that civil authorities must reject all partiality in

01:42:34.120 judgment by asserting the same legal prohibitions and available sanctions against homicide that

01:42:41.540 exist to protect persons after birth and persons before birth. Equal penalties means equal

01:42:49.860 protection. Equal protection means equal value. You cannot say that the unborn child has equal

01:42:57.320 worth, value, and dignity before God if you will not equally protect them. And you are not equally

01:43:03.820 protecting them if you will not give equal punishments to those who seek to murder them.

01:43:09.580 if you are against full penalties for a mother who murders the child in her womb the same penalty

01:43:17.220 for her as you would give to a homicidal murderer in the first degree who murders their three-year-old

01:43:24.460 child in the back alley if you are lighter on the mother getting an abortion than you are on the

01:43:29.840 mother who murders her five-year-old child out of the womb then you are ultimately saying that the

01:43:34.400 child in the womb is of less value less penalty is less protection you're saying it's open season

01:43:42.780 it's it's purge season it you the penalty will be liked slap on the wrist you're essentially saying 0.63

01:43:49.780 it's it's one day a year is purge season for one group of people not white people not black people

01:43:55.740 not brown people not women people male people rich people poor people unborn people and that's

01:44:02.440 we've been doing in this nation and after roe we still do it we still do equal penalties that's the

01:44:09.560 only way that you can actually say we have equal protections and equal protections is the only way

01:44:14.660 you can actually say that we believe as christians in equal value that the child in the womb is of

01:44:21.900 equal value we deny that any law which classifies abortion as a lesser crime than homicide or which

01:44:28.440 allows any class of humans to murder pre-born children with legal immunity is a just law we

01:44:35.280 deny any law that allows for those things we deny that it would be a just law it is not number 20

01:44:43.380 oh this is the last one uh because we we worked it in earlier the the 21st affirmation denial so

01:44:50.040 last one number 20 on neutrality and this is quotation marks rightfully so because it's a

01:44:55.260 on neutrality and the separation of church and state we affirm that the church and the state

01:45:02.900 each possess their own sovereign sphere of influence for example church officials ought

01:45:08.400 not to write or enforce civil laws in their capacity as church officials officials and

01:45:14.100 civil officials ought not to administer ordinances or dictate doctrine in their capacity as civil

01:45:20.900 officials but both spheres are under the absolute authority of christ separation of church and state

01:45:27.980 no separation of christ and state we deny that the separation between the church's sphere of

01:45:35.240 authority and that of the state means that there must be a separation of the christian worldview

01:45:40.620 and the state on the contrary the state is doing its duty and fulfilling its purpose only in so far

01:45:48.180 as it upholds its biblical obligations before god we further deny that there can ever be a

01:45:55.400 separation between religion and state everyone possesses views about ultimate reality purpose

01:46:01.640 and cause which inform their morality and preferred policies the question is not whether morality or

01:46:09.000 religion will influence law but whose morality and religion will influence law all laws are moral

01:46:17.260 it's not whether but which separation of church and state great separation of christ and state

01:46:25.100 no thank you it's not whether but which there you have it brothers and sisters down at the bottom

01:46:31.920 again if you're just now tuning in this is uh you can go to the website statement on christian

01:46:38.320 nationalism.com statement on christian nationalism.com you'll be able to read the

01:46:44.440 whole statement at the very bottom, you'll find that you can give your, your first name, last name

01:46:49.400 and email, and you can say, I'm interested in signing the statement, or you can say, I'm

01:46:54.100 interested in the upcoming summit. We're going to hold an in-person summit in the month of July,

01:46:59.040 probably a two day summit, uh, where we do final revisions on the statement, because this is

01:47:04.080 officially a draft. We just wanted to go ahead and get it out there. We wanted to say, this is

01:47:08.640 our position. We're being misrepresented left and right. And we're trying to clear that up on

01:47:13.820 twitter and twitter of course we all knew this but lo and behold it has been confirmed over this

01:47:19.180 last month that twitter is not a great uh context for clarification and and definitions and uh deep

01:47:25.780 theological work so we've been misrepresented by guys who are not heretics they're not false

01:47:31.200 teachers they're brothers but they are misrepresenting us g3 has misrepresented um many

01:47:36.080 christian nationalists but part of the problem is because many christian nationalists have

01:47:40.000 differing opinions so me and the christian nationalists that i align with because there

01:47:44.620 are guys who would wear the banner that i would say no i'm i disagree with your position but i'm

01:47:50.720 not going to throw the label away it's still the right label i believe it's still the right label

01:47:55.360 so i am a christian nationalist but i'm a particular kind of christian nationalist

01:48:00.360 and so me and the other guys that agree with me ironically baptist baptist right you presbyterians

01:48:07.480 i love you you guys are my brothers you've been saying baptist you need to do the work

01:48:11.200 this is us doing the work so we're doing the work um trying to come up with with a theologically

01:48:18.040 robust biblical sound position that addresses civil political theology and so we came up and

01:48:25.180 said we're not going to just say christian nationalism is a bad label we're not going to wear

01:48:28.780 no we're gonna we're gonna say no it's a good term and we're going to keep the term and also

01:48:34.660 we know that not everybody who wears the Christian nationalist hat agrees. And some guys have a

01:48:42.220 different view, but it's not heretical. And then some guys have a different view and it is heretical

01:48:46.900 and it's really bad. And we don't want to be associated with them. We keep getting lumped in

01:48:52.760 and misrepresented by brothers in Christ that we love. You told us to define our terms. So here you

01:49:00.440 go. You're welcome. We've defined our terms. So if you want to know what me, what William Wolfe,

01:49:06.180 what Dusty Deavers, what all these guys, let me read the authors for you one more time. It's at

01:49:11.980 the beginning of the document. I was a lead editor, but the original authors, there's two guys that

01:49:18.340 co-wrote it. James Silberman and Dusty Deavers were the authors. And then contributing editors

01:49:24.520 was William Wolfe, Joel Webin, Jeff Wright, Corey Anderson, and Ben Woodring. So we were the team.

01:49:31.780 I think Ben is Presbyterian, actually. So I take it back. Mostly Baptists. We let one Presbyterian

01:49:36.300 in because he's a friend. But all that being said, Baptists are trying to do the work. We did the 0.97

01:49:40.860 work. And if you, when I say this is my position, I can't speak for every Christian nationalist,

01:49:45.340 but I'm not going to throw away the label because I think it's worth fighting for. I think it's a

01:49:48.500 good term. I think it's a good term. And so like other guys who were saying, yeah, we think it's

01:49:53.500 a good term. I'm fighting for the term. I'm going to wear the label, but I'm also going to define

01:49:58.160 my terms. I get to define what kind of Christian, I don't get to define Christian nationalism for

01:50:02.220 everybody, but I get to define it for me. And so we're saying this is what we, James Silberman,

01:50:09.200 Dusty Devers, William Wolfe, Joel Webin, Jeff Wright, Corey Anderson, Ben Woodring, this is

01:50:14.200 what we mean when we say we are Christian nationalists. And so from now on, if G3 or

01:50:19.120 anybody else wants to say christian nationalism is really really bad um they're going to have to

01:50:24.440 they're going to need to specify and say um these christian nationalists that are blatantly racist

01:50:30.680 or these christian nationalists that are fill in the blank whatever um but they they can't do any

01:50:37.280 more posts and tag us by name and say this is bad um without dealing with the arguments you've got

01:50:44.160 to show me from our arguments now from our definitions from our theological arguments

01:50:48.520 from the scripture why our position is not biblical or why it is biblical but a baptist

01:50:56.400 can't hold it and i think that's going to be a tough task i think that's going to be a pretty

01:51:01.720 tough task so uh if you're interested again go to christian uh statement statement on christian

01:51:08.460 nationalism.com statement on christian nationalism.com nathan also is putting it right now in

01:51:16.960 the chat and also put it in the comment section once the video is done being live for anybody who

01:51:24.160 watches after the fact statement on christian nationalism.com and again you can scroll all the

01:51:31.440 way to the bottom after having read it and give us your name last name email and then you can say

01:51:36.480 i'm interested in signing the statement or i'm interested in the upcoming summit this is a draft

01:51:41.080 the upcoming summit summit in july will be a conference and final revisions and then you can

01:51:48.040 also push for a press inquiry so that's that i hope that this helps to dispel some of the confusion

01:51:58.660 i have no doubt we'll continue to have some arguments with our brothers but i'd love to

01:52:04.480 have actual arguments and so i'm hoping that this will at least get us to the the step of having

01:52:09.220 actual theological arguments and not just uh misrepresenting each other mischaracterizing each 0.61

01:52:14.500 other talking past each other and again i think some of that is g3's fault i really do i think

01:52:19.460 that they in some capacity have chosen um to to talk past us on the other hand i think some of it

01:52:27.860 also on the christian nationalist side my side of the io is the fact that there's a whole wide

01:52:32.940 spectrum of people claiming to be Christian nationalists. And so it has been a little bit

01:52:36.760 confusing. And so this is our attempt, not just to win or beat G3, but our attempt to do what G3

01:52:45.460 has asked us to do and be clear about our position. So now hopefully we can actually

01:52:50.620 engage the arguments and hopefully get some unity. Winning would be unity. Winning would

01:52:58.980 actually be agreeing i don't want to win by beating g3 i want to win over g3 that's what i want i

01:53:07.160 want scott annual god bless him he's a brother i want scott annual to say you know what i read

01:53:12.740 this statement and after further reflection i think that baptist theology is compatible with

01:53:18.620 christendom and christian culture gooder than trans and kids that's what i want to see so

01:53:24.700 thanks for tuning in hope this has been helpful this friday saturday and sunday it's it was months

01:53:31.300 away forever we've been talking about this for a year it's finally here i feel like like it's

01:53:35.940 christmas day um the theonomy and postmillennialism conference this weekend may 5th 6th and 7th uh

01:53:43.300 we've got dr james white we've got dr joe boot we've got uh dale partridge and myself 550 people

01:53:48.260 uh 200 people on a waiting list god bless their hearts we don't have room we can't fit them in

01:53:52.520 the venue uh but we are recording everything and uh we're gonna we're gonna be having panels with

01:53:57.660 me and james white and joe boot and dale partridge we're gonna be taking questions from the audience

01:54:01.960 and you know some of those questions are gonna be about the controversy with christian nationalism

01:54:05.720 um and and we'll do our best to address some of those things and me and james white are are

01:54:10.500 you know i'm more on the christian nationalist side he's right kind of probably smack dab in

01:54:14.900 the middle i think is is fair i think he's directly in the middle and so i you know i'm

01:54:19.120 not as hard as maybe some christian nationalist guys and and uh james white certainly is not

01:54:24.380 taking the exact same stance as the g3 guys although he loves him and and he's uh those

01:54:28.800 are his brothers you know they're my brothers too but they're his friends he has some close 1.00

01:54:32.680 relationship with them and so you know i i think they'll there won't be a huge difference uh space

01:54:38.340 between me and dr white but i think there'll be some and and i'm sure in the panel you guys will

01:54:42.600 ask questions if you're not interested we won't talk about it but i got a feeling you'll be

01:54:46.440 interested and so that'll probably come up so you're going to have panel discussions with with

01:54:50.720 me and dr white you know talking about these things it's it's hot right now and we do need

01:54:55.940 to figure it out we need to do it charitably we need to seek unity uh we need to not denounce

01:55:00.760 people as heretics g3 they are not heretics they are brothers um i think they're just wrong i just

01:55:06.340 think they're wrong on this issue and um and so we've got a conference we come out with a statement

01:55:11.620 on Christian nationalism and the gospel on Monday. And then this weekend is the Theonomy

01:55:17.940 and Postmill Conference with live panels with me and James White and Joe Boot and Dale Partridge

01:55:22.540 and this topic almost inevitably coming up. And I think it'll be, I think it'll be talked about

01:55:28.540 well. I do not plan. Trust me, I'm not suicidal, right? I don't think that day in my life I've

01:55:34.500 ever woken up and thought, I'd like to get in a debate with James White today. I've never lived

01:55:40.120 that that morning i've never had that morning where i wake out uh wake up and get out of bed

01:55:43.400 and i think today you know what i'd really love you know a cold glass of lemonade sounds delightful

01:55:49.660 and a public debate with dr james white so that's not that's not where i'm at and i know i james

01:55:56.620 white is a godly uh man i think that he's going to be level-headed in in this and um and i know

01:56:01.560 that he's kind of taken the middle path and so i think that we'll actually won't be debating each

01:56:05.440 other i think we'll actually be able to have some really helpful uh conversations and it's just

01:56:09.840 I could, I'll just say this. I could not have planned this. I feel like I fell into chocolate

01:56:14.760 pie. Um, and whether or not that's good or bad is still, you know, it's still, uh, the verdict's

01:56:20.800 still out, you know, but I feel like providentially this, everything with G3, I didn't start it. 0.98

01:56:25.880 Scott started with the infamous tweet, you know, Baptists are not compatible with Christendom. 0.93

01:56:29.940 I'm like, well, I'm a local Baptist pastor who's been discipling my church, that Christendom is

01:56:35.320 one of the things that we're working towards and you just publicly as a as a lead baptist guy just 0.98

01:56:41.760 said that that not just that i disagree with your position but um you can't do it baptist can't do

01:56:47.380 this that's what started it saying baptist can't do this it'd be one thing you know if a baptist

01:56:52.820 says um i think continuationist baptist are wrong okay um yeah and that's fine i think baptist

01:57:02.480 continuationists are wrong i'm a cessationist um but when you say uh you need to quit being a baptist

01:57:09.260 because you're not one not really you you have to be a presbyterian um if you're working for

01:57:15.600 christian culture and see that as a positive good see that as something that um that that

01:57:21.660 does not actually hinder gospel preaching and conversion um then you can't be a baptist that's

01:57:29.260 how it started and and the memes started flying and some of them are hardcore you know so i'm not

01:57:35.640 saying it's all been good like the christian nationalists have just done everything perfectly

01:57:38.800 but i'm just saying remember how it started it's it started when a baptist brother who is a brother

01:57:43.780 and a good brother um didn't just say i think this position is wrong he said if you're a baptist like

01:57:49.140 me you can't do this and i'm a baptist minister who's been telling my local congregation and my

01:57:54.600 podcast with right response ministries publicly uh that we can do it and should be doing it so

01:58:00.080 yeah i have to publicly address that that's an elephant in the room that you can't just

01:58:04.760 pretend it's not there so then i engaged so i didn't plan this but i engaged i didn't i didn't

01:58:10.500 plan it i didn't start it but i engaged and then engaging i got invited to be a part of this

01:58:18.340 statement and then the timing with the statement drops the week before my conference and now we

01:58:22.320 have this conference happening with all and it's providential i think it's awesome i think dr james

01:58:30.080 white probably i think he thinks the timing's horrible i think he's like this is crazy i can't

01:58:33.680 believe and i'm like this is kind of awesome i feel like yeah it's uncomfortable and it's weird

01:58:37.380 but i but we're christians and we're grown men and we can do it and i think it's going to bless

01:58:40.460 the church and bring a lot of clarity so please be praying this weekend um please please be praying

01:58:45.260 for those who are attending the conference for me and and dr james white and dr joe boot and

01:58:50.220 Dale Partridge who are speaking at the conference. And, uh, and we're going to get the content from

01:58:54.540 the conference for all those of you who weren't able to, to attend because we sold out six months

01:58:58.580 in advance. Uh, we're going to record everything and get it out as soon as possible. We would

01:59:02.940 live stream. Many of you have asked, we would live stream if, um, the venue had good internet.

01:59:08.860 It doesn't. And we've tried hotspot and we've tried whatever Elon Musk thing is. What's that

01:59:14.220 called nathan start oh we did we did not try starlink because um because we didn't have a

01:59:20.940 million dollars um and so uh but but we tried every everything that we could to do the live

01:59:25.700 stream we can't um and so what we're going to do is record it in really high quality instead of

01:59:30.440 doing a failed live stream we're going to have a really high quality and just get it out as soon

01:59:35.220 as possible so hopefully as soon as uh next week you'll be able to see the uh at least if not the

01:59:40.000 main sessions, at least see the panels, which I know most of you, uh, that that's probably your,

01:59:44.060 your highest interest is seeing the panels, uh, with, with, with me and James and Joe and Dale.

01:59:48.800 And so, um, hopefully, um, we'll have the panels next, next week, early next week for you guys to

01:59:54.040 watch on YouTube and on our podcast platform, Spotify and iTunes and, uh, the, the right

01:59:59.000 response website and our app and the whole nine yards. And, um, just be praying for us, pray for

02:00:04.660 us pray that um that we would honor christ um and pray that god would unite his church how good it

02:00:12.740 is when when brothers dwell with one another in unity um we want that and i'm a sinner i want that

02:00:20.220 and you know what i don't always act that way i do stupid things because i'm a sinner so i don't

02:00:26.960 always act in a unifying uh manner but pray that i would pray that i would and um and pray that

02:00:35.200 this statement helps to bring clarity and it's not just a one upping and and the optic isn't

02:00:41.240 just viewed as a one upping or a beating but it's viewed as a as as we're trying to be clear because

02:00:46.440 that's what you guys are asking for and we know that clarity is needed because there's a million

02:00:50.420 different definitions for what christian nationalism is and so pray that this brings

02:00:53.860 clarity and that with that clarity uh doesn't come further enmity um but further unity that's

02:01:01.140 my prayer let that be your prayer and um and be praying uh that that happens with the statement

02:01:06.380 and that all also happens through our conference and uh next week you'll see the content for those

02:01:11.000 of you who are not able to attend in person and you also at this conference we are going to unveil

02:01:16.240 our next two conferences and the topics that those conferences are on

02:01:20.640 and the speakers and it's awesome it's awesome it's i it's just as good if not better than than

02:01:29.380 the theonomy and postmail conference um not just the next conference but two upcoming conferences

02:01:34.100 so you'll have a chance to register if you miss this one you'll have a chance to register for the

02:01:38.200 next we're going to publicly announce it this friday live in person at our conference and we

02:01:43.020 will publicly on the internet announce it and open it up for registration uh either uh sunday night

02:01:50.060 or probably monday morning uh may 8th a week from today so a lot of exciting things our documentary

02:01:56.120 we're filming this week nathan anderson that the director of um on earth as it is in heaven he gets

02:02:01.200 in tomorrow from chile his his plane lands and his assistant from germany gets in on wednesday

02:02:05.520 and we're going to be filming uh the next couple days and filming during the conference and they're

02:02:09.780 staying for a total of 12 days four days after so and i've got a book coming out uh fight by flight

02:02:14.700 Doug Wilson wrote The Ford, and Meg Basham, and Steve Dace, and Michael Foster, and Dale

02:02:19.780 Partridge, and Joe Boot, and Samuel Say, and maybe I'm forgetting some other guys endorsed it.

02:02:26.540 And so this week, my book comes out by God's grace. And so it's just, God is just, I don't

02:02:34.000 know. He's just put it all together. And it's not me. I have nothing to boast in. It's just the

02:02:39.600 grace of God. But you got the statement on Christian nationalism in the gospel. You've got

02:02:43.880 fight by flight. Why leaving godless places is loving godless places. My book coming out this

02:02:50.080 weekend, theonomy and post-mail conference coming out this weekend and announcing the next two

02:02:54.500 conferences this weekend, filming the documentary over the next 10 days. Awesome stuff in store for

02:03:00.740 you guys. So, so those of you who are supporting this ministry, praying for this ministry, watching

02:03:04.900 and participating, encouraging, emailing. I know it's been a heck of a ride the last month with

02:03:10.560 all the debates about christian nationalism but stay with us um i believe that by god's grace

02:03:15.640 nothing nothing with joel webin but by god's grace that we're doing um we're doing good work

02:03:21.660 we're doing um good faithful ministry and uh and we need you to come along for the ride and and to

02:03:28.860 stand with us and uh to support us uh through prayers and encouragement and financial support

02:03:34.200 if you're able to. And we've got a lot of great stuff coming out all at once over the next few

02:03:41.120 weeks for you, for your edification, for your blessing and for the glory of God. So thank you

02:03:46.320 and keep us in your prayers. Exciting stuff, but I am going to be more busy than I've ever been in

02:03:51.740 my life. So I need your prayers for strength. All right. Thanks for tuning in and we will see you

02:03:56.120 tomorrow. We've got another episode of Theology Applied, 2 p.m. Central Time,

02:04:01.500 our flagship show, Theology Applied. That's tomorrow at 2 p.m. Central Time. Bye.

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02:04:35.440 you shouldn't afford it. Let's be honest. I mean, we're living in Joe Biden's ridiculous economy.

02:04:42.120 Our nation and our totalitarian political elites lost their minds over the last three years 0.91

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The NXR Podcast - May 06, 2023

BONUS EPISODE - #FontGate #G3 ｜ The Statement On Christian Nationalism And The Gospel

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