The NXR Podcast - BONUS EPISODE - The Gospel Coalition & Public School ｜ “Love Your Neighbor, Hate Your Kids”

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00:02:16.420 Central Time. For today, I'm going to be taking some questions here in just a moment, but first

00:02:21.000 I want to discuss a little bit more in depth. I've already done one video on this. I'm following up

00:02:26.340 now with a second, but I want to discuss the good faith debate that the Gospel Coalition hosted

00:02:32.840 with Jen Wilkin arguing the position that Christians can, that's her position, that it's

00:02:41.100 permissible, they may place their kids in the public school system, but there are certain

00:02:47.240 points in the debate where she actually goes beyond that position and seems to suggest,

00:02:53.840 if not outright say, that not every Christian is morally obligated because there's a host of

00:02:59.600 different variables and factors that are unique to each family. But all things being equal,

00:03:06.080 seems to be her argument, all things being equal, if you can, a Christian not only is permissible

00:03:12.720 in placing their kids in the public school system, but they actually should for the good

00:03:18.400 of the community in order to love their neighbors. Because if Christians all take their kids out of 0.99

00:03:25.960 the public school system. That's going to hurt the public school system as a whole, which I would 1.00

00:03:31.460 give a hearty, praise God, let's destroy it. But that's going to hurt her argument, the public 0.99

00:03:37.680 system as a whole and the community as a whole and all the children that are left behind. Here's a

00:03:43.700 clip from that debate hosted by the Gospel Coalition, where Jen Wilkin shares some very 0.99

00:03:50.180 foolish thoughts with us. One of the things I would love to have entered into this conversation 0.95

00:03:56.020 is that while I cannot tell you to put your children in public school, and certainly never

00:04:01.100 would because there are so many factors that are at play, that it is important for us to understand

00:04:06.580 that our decision regarding this and even our demeanor toward this has an impact on our

00:04:14.040 community. It doesn't just impact our family. The most common phrase I hear thrown out in these

00:04:19.660 conversations is, well, I just need to do what's best for my family. And I think that's something

00:04:25.340 that as Christians we have to push back on. Philippians tells us each of you should look

00:04:31.100 not just to your own interests, but to the interests of others. And there's no such thing

00:04:35.580 as a decision that's made just for our families. In fact, even having the gift of the decision at

00:04:41.980 all means that you're a person with more choices than some people. And those who don't have a

00:04:47.880 choice of where they will educate their children will be impacted by your presence, your adult

00:04:53.460 parent presence not being in the public schools because you've chosen to go somewhere else.

00:04:58.280 We can look back in not too recent history on this and see the impact of when a large number

00:05:04.980 of Christian parents decide to opt out of the system and how it impacts those who are left

00:05:11.360 behind. And so I do think it's very important for us to understand that while yes, we do what is

00:05:17.060 best for our families, we don't do so in a vacuum. We understand that what we do for our family

00:05:22.380 always impacts the community around us and that we should look to the welfare of the city in which

00:05:26.800 we live. All right. Here's the basic sentiment that we've heard for a number of years now from

00:05:34.480 Big Eva, ivory tower, sophisticated winsome types like the Gospel Coalition, like Jen Wilkin.

00:05:42.280 the basic sentiment that we hear ad nauseum is this love the world hate your country

00:05:50.320 love your neighbors hate your family love the lost hate your local church

00:05:59.060 what we see and i believe it is theologically and in terms of just basic reality in the world

00:06:07.800 that god made it is a false dichotomy it assumes a zero-sum game that god created a world where

00:06:18.080 there are limited resources that cannot be multiplied the pie cannot grow that essentially

00:06:26.620 whenever you take right or build or grow or whatever keep certain resources and then disseminate

00:06:36.100 those to your wife and your children or your local church and fellow Christians or your countrymen

00:06:45.140 as a United States citizen or whatever country you happen to be a citizen of. By helping some,

00:06:52.740 you are hurting others. That's the sentiment again and again and again, right? You're called

00:07:00.600 to love the globe have a global worldwide affection and devotion and allegiance but not really a

00:07:11.720 devotion towards your country in fact if you have any kind of allegiance or pride and not pride in

00:07:18.840 the sense of arrogance but but a good pride in being a citizen of a particular country

00:07:24.560 If you espouse that or think that we should have certain public policies that are America first because that's the nation that you've been sovereignly placed in by God, that this is selfish, that this is a lack of love for your neighbors.

00:07:40.860 This is really, it's hatred towards your global neighbors for the sake of selfishly benefiting

00:07:49.620 and loving to the exclusion of others, loving your national neighbors.

00:07:56.080 However, you know, one of the ironies is that it's perfectly permissible, you may have noticed,

00:08:01.820 in the TGC church planting world to be in and for your city.

00:08:08.320 And nobody raises a stink about that.

00:08:10.420 Nobody says, well, if you have a sign on your church that says, we're a church in and for

00:08:17.240 the city of Seattle, well, then that must mean that you have a particular or even greater

00:08:23.560 love for people in Seattle than you do people in other places or other cities, and that's

00:08:30.520 selfish.

00:08:31.860 That's not really loving all of your neighbors.

00:08:34.880 That's loving some neighbors at the exclusion of other neighbors.

00:08:38.120 Nobody uses that rhetoric.

00:08:39.580 because everybody understands the sentiment we understand what is meant by a church a local

00:08:45.660 church or an individual local christian saying that i love my city i'm proud of my city i am

00:08:52.340 uniquely committed to my city because i'm a finite creature and god in his providence has placed me

00:09:00.160 here to be good to my neighbors but part of the neighbor love commandment the second greatest

00:09:06.900 commandment, to love your neighbor as yourself, it assumes proximity. See, that's another thing

00:09:13.280 that people just, they don't understand in a biblical way. Think of the Good Samaritan.

00:09:22.640 The Good Samaritan. Why is it in that parable that Jesus tells, right, there are two other men,

00:09:29.020 men of status men of esteem religious men that pass over they pass over this victim who has been

00:09:38.380 beaten and robbed and left to die and they pass over they go around him on their way to their

00:09:46.340 their personal affairs and they neglect and ignore his suffering and do nothing about it

00:09:53.640 Not only are, it's not just two men on the other side of the world who are unwilling

00:09:58.440 to go out of their way in order to help an individual, but rather this individual who

00:10:03.480 needs help is right there on their path.

00:10:07.220 And it actually requires that they go out of their way to avoid helping him, to ignore

00:10:13.400 him.

00:10:14.340 So it's not just the refusal to inconvenience themselves to help the individual, but they're

00:10:23.080 actually willing to go out of their path in order to avoid him. And then there's the Samaritan 0.97

00:10:28.560 who is of another culture, another nationality, another tradition where there's traditionally

00:10:37.600 and historically a sense of hostility and enmity between these two people groups. And the Samaritan

00:10:44.200 is the one who chooses to care for him. And Jesus, what he's saying in this parable is that the

00:10:51.160 Samaritan rightly, he's not wrong, but he rightly recognizes that this individual is his neighbor

00:10:57.020 and he's not his neighbor and therefore he's morally obligated and bound to care for this

00:11:02.660 man's needs. And he's not his neighbor in the sense that they share the same ethnicity. He's

00:11:07.500 not his neighbor in the sense that they're both members of the same church or that they're united

00:11:12.860 by blood, that they're kin, that they're family. It's none of those things. It's proximity.

00:11:19.340 it it's location it's you're there you're there and therefore you have an obligation

00:11:27.400 to do something in our culture today it's completely reversed our our politicians as

00:11:35.060 an example are more concerned about people in ukraine than they are about people in east

00:11:40.700 Palestine. Our politicians are more concerned about the citizens of other countries than they

00:11:49.940 are about their own citizens and their own country. And that doesn't even begin to get into

00:11:56.060 the ramifications of the debate that could be had in regards to an America first policy actually

00:12:02.160 being best, not only for America, but for the rest of the world. America last, not only does

00:12:09.600 it do a disservice to Americans, but I would argue, and it can be fairly easily argued, that it

00:12:16.540 actually does a disservice to the whole world and all these other countries as well. But the point

00:12:23.380 remains, proximity is a major factor in determining moral obligation to our neighbors. Now, work that

00:12:31.260 within the individual Christian family or household. A father and a mother, but a father at a greater 0.93

00:12:38.820 in ultimate degree as head of his household, he has a unique and unparalleled moral obligation

00:12:45.660 to provide and protect for the members of his household. We think of Titus. It says,

00:12:52.900 you know, if a man is not willing to provide for his family and the members of his household, 0.97

00:12:59.500 he is worse than an unbeliever and has denied the faith. Now, this text doesn't say if he's 0.98

00:13:07.100 unwilling to care for everyone in his village, or if he's unwilling to care for the people who

00:13:12.640 are suffering in the village next door, or if he's unwilling to care and provide for certain 0.71

00:13:18.460 citizens in another nation across the globe, that he's denied the faith and worse than an 0.87

00:13:24.880 unbeliever. No, it's starting at home. It's starting with proximity. Who are closest? Meaning 1.00

00:13:31.180 he has a greater obligation to care for his own than he has to care for others. If a man neglects

00:13:40.080 to do good to all, there may be certain practical, reasonable explanations for that. There also may

00:13:48.580 be sinful explanations for that. It may be that he's neglecting to do good to someone of some

00:13:55.940 other affiliation that he's not you know directly connected to and and maybe he's failing maybe he

00:14:04.200 should do something but the bible reserves its strongest indictment its strongest rebuke for a

00:14:12.360 man not who doesn't care for the stranger somewhere else but the man who doesn't care for his own

00:14:18.660 household, his own family. As Christians, that sentiment that Jen Wilkin expresses,

00:14:26.260 that Christians are asking the question about what's best for their family,

00:14:30.380 let me unequivocally say that is a good sentiment. Father, mother, who's listening to this video

00:14:40.060 right now, if you are earnestly seeking wisdom from the Word of God and praying and receiving

00:14:47.080 counsel from brothers and sisters in christ in your local church setting and counsel from your

00:14:51.880 pastors that you are earnestly pursuing what is best for your family good that's good you have

00:15:02.140 nothing to apologize for you don't have to go to sleep at night and uh and worry about the fact

00:15:10.660 that your children are in beds instead of on the floor, that they're warm and clothed in their

00:15:18.480 little jammies and tucked in under their blankets with their heads on their pillows with full bellies

00:15:26.820 because they ate dinner that night, that is not sin. In fact, the Bible says that to do otherwise

00:15:35.880 is sin. To not provide for the members of your household, to not do everything you possibly can

00:15:44.680 to make sure that your children, not everyone's children, but your children first, you start there.

00:15:51.000 You start with proximity. You start with the members of your own household, the people at home.

00:15:57.500 It is your moral obligation to ensure that they are not hungry, that they are not naked,

00:16:03.960 that they are cared for, protected and cared for. I want to play the clip one more time for people

00:16:10.700 who are just now tuning in. This is a clip from the debate that Jen Wilkin had with the Gospel

00:16:16.360 Coalition hosting, arguing for it being permissible for Christians to send their kids to public

00:16:22.840 schools. And at this certain point of the good faith debate, she goes beyond the position of

00:16:29.040 merely arguing for the permissibility of a Christian utilizing public schools for their

00:16:34.820 children, but that in some cases, maybe not every case, but at least in some cases,

00:16:40.820 it may be something that the Christian not only may do, but that the Christian should do.

00:16:46.540 Here's the clip. 0.73

00:16:47.880 One of the things I would love to have entered into this conversation is that while I cannot

00:16:53.780 tell you to put your children in public school, and certainly never would because there are so

00:16:57.380 many factors that are at play, that it is important for us to understand that our decision

00:17:04.560 regarding this and even our demeanor toward this has an impact on our community. It doesn't just

00:17:11.340 impact our family. The most common phrase I hear thrown out in these conversations is, well,

00:17:16.280 I just need to do what's best for my family. And I think that's something that as Christians,

00:17:21.480 we have to push back on. Philippians tells us each of you should look not just to your own

00:17:27.740 interests, but to the interests of others. And there's no such thing as a decision.

00:17:32.100 The sentiment of, I just need to do what's good for my family. As Christians, that's something

00:17:36.460 we need to push back on. No, it's not. No, it's not. Let me give you a few verses. Galatians

00:17:42.040 chapter six says, as often as you have opportunity, do good to all, but especially the household of

00:17:50.080 faith right there again you see an order of loves an order of of commitment that there is one group

00:18:00.760 that you are more committed to and another group that if you have the means and ability to do so

00:18:07.100 you can reach and meet their needs but you are less morally bound to them to one group than you

00:18:15.100 are to the other. As often as you have opportunity, do good to all, but especially the household of

00:18:21.160 faith. Now, right there implicit in that particular text, we need to recognize that our opportunity,

00:18:28.080 as often as you have opportunity, do good to all, our opportunity is limited because we're finite.

00:18:35.080 People are creatures. We're creatures. And as creatures, we are finite. That doesn't mean that

00:18:41.640 God created a world that's a zero-sum game where the pie cannot grow. I reject Marxism and all of

00:18:49.220 its tenets and neo-Marxism and all those things. I do believe that the world that God created in

00:18:54.640 the cosmos, in a larger picture, that the pie can grow. That God is the only capital C creator who

00:19:01.620 creates out of nothing, ex nihilo, but that as his image bearers, even us, even human beings, 0.86

00:19:08.880 since the fall, post-lapsarian, since the fall, with the doctrine of total depravity being as it

00:19:14.880 is, even in that case, the image of God in man has been tarnished, yet the vestige of this image

00:19:22.000 remains intact. Because of that, reason, rationale, moral compass, even on the unbeliever, God's law

00:19:28.940 being written on their hearts in all these ways, we are not capital C creators creating out of

00:19:34.460 nothing but lowercase c creators able to multiply the resources that god has baked into the world

00:19:41.120 we can grow the pie by the grace of god and unbelievers by common grace can do this as well

00:19:48.260 we can multiply resources this is what we've seen throughout human history time and time again

00:19:53.080 lifespans have increased we've seen global hunger statistics go down we've seen a basic

00:20:01.220 ailments and diseases virtually eradicated not just in first world countries but in third world

00:20:08.640 countries as well as we've developed certain technologies certain medicine certain ways of

00:20:15.220 growing food and all these things come with complications there's ways of growing food that's

00:20:20.760 not particularly healthy and that introduces a whole host of new problems but the point remains

00:20:25.520 that man is able to subdue the earth and fill it, that man is able to exercise a God-like

00:20:32.300 dominion as image bearers of the living God, and we are able to meet the needs not only of

00:20:38.020 ourselves but of many others, yet all those things being as they are. Each individual person is

00:20:45.080 finite. We are a creature nonetheless. We are not the creator. We are a creature, and therefore

00:20:53.000 our resources are finite. Can we develop those resources, multiply those resources,

00:20:59.140 everything that I've already stated? Yes. But at any given moment, at any given moment,

00:21:04.420 when there's an immediate need, we have to determine whether or not that need is something

00:21:08.700 that we personally can meet. And in determining that, one of the ways I've said this in my

00:21:15.260 preaching, I think it's helpful for myself and for others, there's a slavery of sorts

00:21:22.900 that comes by having zero options,

00:21:26.260 of being forced to only be able to do one thing,

00:21:30.240 being bound.

00:21:31.840 But there's also a slavery, in a sense,

00:21:36.100 that comes by having virtually limitless options,

00:21:39.940 limitless opportunities.

00:21:42.480 One of the difficult things that every believer

00:21:45.620 has to be able to determine on a day-to-day basis

00:21:48.700 is what do I say no to?

00:21:50.440 especially those of us living in the 21st century in first world countries and western societies

00:21:59.160 that are developed with technology that have a basic sense sure we're throwing a lot of it away

00:22:04.580 right now with rebellion and apostasy and crazy leaders that we have but still a basic sense of

00:22:10.840 prosperity at least by comparison to the rest of the world we have many many options many options

00:22:17.740 and one of the ways on a regular basis daily basis that we can determine which of these options we

00:22:24.220 say no to is by first determining what we should say yes to you could say it like this we determine

00:22:32.660 our lower nose by first determining our higher yes now the highest yes is to love the lord your

00:22:40.840 god with all your heart with all your soul and with all your mind with all your strength

00:22:45.120 then the next yes is to love your neighbor as yourself now the reality is that each of us

00:22:52.200 currently have approximately 8.2 billion neighbors within these 8.2 billion neighbors

00:22:59.440 is there a hierarchy of commitment is there an order of moral obligation and the bible clearly

00:23:09.980 answers yes. We know from Titus that a man is uniquely, he is uniquely responsible for protecting

00:23:17.960 and providing for the members of his household in a way that he is not as uniquely required

00:23:24.480 to provide for others. We also know from Galatians chapter 6 that a Christian is uniquely morally 0.52

00:23:31.680 obligated to providing for the household of faith at a higher degree than providing for all. Do good 0.81

00:23:38.600 to all as often as you have opportunity, but especially, that is, prioritize the household

00:23:44.660 of faith. The very existence and presence of the stipulations and qualifications for the list of

00:23:52.360 widows that the Apostle Paul gives to Timothy in 1 Timothy 5 makes the point, right? That Paul,

00:24:00.840 why have a list of requirements for which widows receive help from the church? Why not just say, 1.00

00:24:08.180 help them all. And why stop with widows for that matter? Why not just say, hey, anybody who's 0.95

00:24:15.040 hurting, anybody who's hungry, anybody who needs shelter or housing or whatever it might be,

00:24:20.920 let's just, you know, if somebody has a lack, the church meets that lack. That's not what the

00:24:27.780 apostle Paul says. Rather, what he says is that there are very specific criteria and stipulations

00:24:34.620 that need to be considered by the leaders of the church when determining which individuals we help.

00:24:40.520 The first is just the particular mention of widows. So it doesn't just say the church should

00:24:46.900 help the poor, but the first stipulation is that the church should help the helpless poor. Not just

00:24:52.700 the poor, but the helpless poor. A widow. And what kind of widow? A true widow. Someone who is

00:25:00.100 actually a widow a widow indeed right there's an age requirement she must be of 65 years 0.99

00:25:05.840 of age and she's not an effective widow an essential widow she's an actual widow she's 1.00

00:25:13.940 not a widow because she's had you know seven different husbands and she's been adulterous 0.59

00:25:22.460 and had affairs and been caught in adultery and been divorced by men for reasonable cause they

00:25:29.060 were right to divorce her and these kinds of things and now she finds herself in her old age

00:25:33.640 having no one committed to her because she's burned every bridge over the course of her life

00:25:38.280 but she's still a widow no that's not what first timothy five says she has to be of a certain age

00:25:45.600 she has to be someone who was married previously and her husband has died beyond that does she

00:25:51.860 have any sons or a brother or another member of her family outside of her husband that can meet

00:25:58.780 her needs? If so, then let her family do it so that the church would not be financially burdened.

00:26:04.760 That's what the text says. So first it establishes the physical requirements and the practical

00:26:11.720 category. Is this person truly helpless? Not just are they poor, but are they poor with good cause?

00:26:20.780 Are they poor and it's not due to any fault of their own?

00:26:27.500 They're poor and helplessly poor.

00:26:31.420 Practical criteria is established first.

00:26:34.460 Then Paul goes even further and begins to establish a spiritual criteria.

00:26:39.960 Is she faithful?

00:26:41.680 So one, is this poor individual helpless, practically speaking?

00:26:46.720 Second, is she faithful, spiritually speaking?

00:26:50.780 Has she washed the feet of the saints? Has she raised up children? Or is she all alone because

00:26:58.480 she's, you know, a blue-haired feminist who, you know, recorded TikTok videos when she was in her 0.86

00:27:05.720 40s about how awesome it was to have no children? Well, then she starves. And not because we're mean 1.00

00:27:14.100 and not in a vindictive sense from the church, but she starves because Christ, who is God,

00:27:22.100 is infinite, and he is head of the church, his body, but his body here on earth, the church

00:27:28.520 militant, the hands and feet of Christ, although Christ, the head of the church, is infinite,

00:27:32.500 the church is finite, practically speaking. And the church has an obligation of priority,

00:27:40.900 of whose needs it should meet first so that if the church has resources and it's able to do so

00:27:48.320 great but often it will not at least often enough to where paul felt that it was prudent to write

00:27:56.300 to timothy a list of criteria and qualifications so that he and the leaders of the local church

00:28:01.980 could prioritize and discern who to help and who not to help all of this insinuates and implies

00:28:08.700 that the church was limited. There were more poor people than the church had resources to help.

00:28:15.500 This is right in line with what Jesus says. You will always have the poor with you.

00:28:22.020 So to take this back to the debate about public school, you're always going to have the poor with

00:28:26.800 you. You're also always going to have bad policies with you in varying degrees and in varying ways,

00:28:35.340 but you're always going to have poverty. You're always going to have injustice in some measure.

00:28:42.320 You're always going to have bad school districts or bad education options. You're always going to

00:28:49.320 have this. You're always going to have that. Why? Well, because you're always going to have until

00:28:54.900 Christ returns, until his final return, his final physical return at the end of the gospel age,

00:29:00.920 you're always going to have sin. Poverty is rooted in sin and it's not always directly rooted

00:29:09.720 in sin. It doesn't mean that each individual poor person is poor because of their direct

00:29:17.140 sin, their individual sin. There are people who are poor in North Korea who didn't necessarily

00:29:22.800 do anything wrong, but it's still always tied to sin. It's either your sin or perhaps somebody 0.87

00:29:29.500 else's sin, oppressing you and causing you to be poor. But either way, poverty can be rooted to

00:29:36.460 sin. Bad education can be rooted to sin. Wokeness and CRT is rooted in sin. It all stems from sin.

00:29:47.500 And so long as we have a presence of sin, we're going to have a presence of suffering in the

00:29:52.780 world. And the Christian's obligation is to push back against that suffering, first and foremost

00:29:59.980 with the preaching of the gospel and the making of disciples. But in making disciples, fulfilling

00:30:04.320 the Great Commission, we also teach them to obey all of Christ's commands. And Christ's commands

00:30:10.160 have practical daily life implications, like loving your neighbor in all these different ways.

00:30:17.700 But even then, with loving our neighbor, there is an order priority.

00:30:22.040 And I believe that at first it begins with multiple factors, but a major one is the argument

00:30:27.720 of proximity.

00:30:29.340 Loving your neighbor starts at home.

00:30:32.160 You cannot love the children of your community at the expense of loving your own children.

00:30:39.120 So go all the way back now to the argument that Jen Wilkin is making.

00:30:43.760 She's saying that if you pull your children out of the public school district, then you're 0.89

00:30:49.280 going to hurt other children in the community.

00:30:53.640 And somehow what she's implying, at least by way of implication, is that that's a moral

00:31:00.060 failure, at least for some families.

00:31:02.260 She gives the caveat, the disclaimer that this isn't a universal application across

00:31:07.800 the board.

00:31:08.320 there are multiple factors but she's at least implying that for some families

00:31:13.100 some christian families in their case to not have their kids in the public school system

00:31:21.280 would be to to morally fail in meeting the needs and loving their neighbors of other children

00:31:28.440 in the community at large that's not a biblical argument that's simply not a biblical argument

00:31:35.520 because what we're discussing here is not again it's not i have the ability to thoroughly and

00:31:45.380 perfectly love my own children according to the law of god and what he commands and how god defines

00:31:51.680 love and in god's generosity he has bestowed upon me sovereignly enough resources enough talents

00:32:00.180 and time and energy and wisdom and treasure and all these things that I can thoroughly love my

00:32:08.120 children as the Lord would have me and have something left over to love other children in

00:32:13.580 the community as well. And yet I'm just choosing not to. See, that's kind of the framework

00:32:20.500 that she's building. That's just the very premise is false and absurd. That's not what we're 0.54

00:32:31.940 talking about. We're not talking about the ability to meet all the requirements that God has for

00:32:37.840 fathers and mothers for their children, and then just simply willfully refusing to meet the needs

00:32:44.160 of other children as well that would cost your children nothing. Now, in this particular scenario,

00:32:49.680 What we're discussing is actually willfully doing something with your own children that

00:32:58.640 would be to their detriment in order to seemingly, and the case isn't even proven, but just for

00:33:06.620 the sake of argument, humoring Wilkin for a moment, seemingly benefiting someone else's

00:33:13.380 children.

00:33:13.660 I'm going to willfully make a decision for my own children that will be to their detriment

00:33:19.540 for the sake of benefiting someone else's children, that even this, benefiting someone

00:33:25.500 else's children, is not definitive, but really just a hope. Maybe. Possibility. So I'm going to

00:33:34.980 make this decision that will certainly harm my children to possibly benefit someone else's

00:33:44.620 children. My question would be chapter and verse. I need Bible for that. What Bible verse,

00:33:56.880 Jen, are you going to use to make that argument to Christian parents, that they have a moral

00:34:03.480 obligation in the category of the second commandment, to love your neighbor as yourself, 0.81

00:34:11.720 to willfully make a decision to the detriment of their own children if it might possibly benefit

00:34:19.340 someone else's children. Essentially, that is the argument that's being made, and it's a fallacious

00:34:26.940 and absurd argument. Let me show you just a few pictures of these public schools that Jen Wilkin

00:34:35.140 would have you put your children in. These are pictures that were taken this week, and I want

00:34:41.480 you to see, this is not two or three pictures. This is picture after picture after picture.

00:34:47.740 He said that the school, every square inch in the true Kuyperian way, except from the devil 0.99

00:34:55.120 himself instead of Christ, but every square inch of the school was saturated in LGBT affirming 0.89

00:35:04.180 rhetoric and emblems and flags and symbols. Black lives matters. Be curious, not judgmental. 0.83

00:35:14.840 The sexual agenda, all these things. Let's go through the pictures one more time,

00:35:19.960 just a little bit slower. I want to point out a couple things. Right here, you see black lives

00:35:24.740 matters um multiple you know equality um and you know all all these things uh in uh inquires it's

00:35:34.320 hard for me to read some of the handwriting here i trying to be creative but you see the the flag

00:35:39.740 there that has the you know the the gay rainbow and transgenderism and non-binary and all you 0.50

00:35:45.280 know the ugliest flag that's ever been invented by man you see the coexist symbol there right you 0.90

00:35:50.860 see the cross and all these other symbols from other false world religions. There you go. Let's

00:35:57.040 move on to the next one. There you go. Rainbow flags, trans flag, all these things. Let's move

00:36:02.680 to the next one. That's in the library, of course. Here you go. AISD pride, right? I think that's the

00:36:10.140 school district, but basically saying that the school district is formally in support of gay

00:36:16.560 pride. That's clearly what this rainbow sticker is conveying. Let's move on. There you go. Another

00:36:22.960 rainbow flag. You have the American flag, which is kind of really just the backdrop for the flag

00:36:28.420 that really matters, that supports our new pseudo constitution that we've been following for quite 0.91

00:36:33.220 some time now, which is the Homo Jihad right there, front and center. Let's move on to the next. 0.67

00:36:39.820 There you go. Austin Independent School District. There's your rainbow flag. Let's move on.

00:36:46.560 pride black lives matter let's move on be curious not judgmental what do you think that's referring

00:36:55.840 to the scientific method i don't think so i don't think it's saying hey you know what let's be

00:37:02.280 innovative and let's invent new things in the realm of mathematics and science no it's just

00:37:09.260 more indoctrination about a moral ethic, primarily in regards to sexuality, that is antithetical to

00:37:17.260 what the Bible teaches about a sexual ethic. Let's move on. BLM is every month. I don't know

00:37:25.500 what the rest says. There you go. If you pan out with that picture, it's a black girl. There's a

00:37:32.660 school bus in the background, basically implying a Rosa Parks situation. Okay. Yeah. Where is that?

00:37:42.700 My question, where is that happening in 2023? Where is a young black girl being told that she

00:37:50.260 has to sit on the back of the school bus on the way to school that therefore morally mandates

00:37:57.240 the necessity for this picture being drawn and hung up in a public school. Let's go. Next one.

00:38:09.420 Here you go. More rainbow flags on top of the door right there by the classroom.

00:38:15.580 I assume that a teacher put that there. And I think that's probably it. Maybe there's some more.

00:38:20.640 here we go call out sexism call out homophobia call out bullying let me just say something about

00:38:27.860 that for a second call out bullying sure but we know that bullying is being defined by the first

00:38:32.940 two statements sexism and homophobia so what is a bully in this context a bully is somebody who's

00:38:38.540 homophobic a bully is someone who's sexist well i would say as doug wilson and others have

00:38:43.540 profoundly said before um let's uh let's recover let's seek to recover the lost virtue of sexism 0.60

00:38:54.140 but i i don't i don't want to avoid sexism i want to make sexism great again

00:38:59.760 um i yeah there are two sexes and they are different and there are things inherent to males

00:39:07.860 and things inherent to females. And we should treat one another, not the same, not androgyny.

00:39:15.160 We should treat one another distinctly with distinctions in our way of life and our interactions 0.67

00:39:22.620 with the male versus our interactions with the female, because a woman is different than a man. 0.93

00:39:27.900 And a man is different than a woman. He has made us male and female, distinct, different,

00:39:33.860 and we should treat one another in different ways. There is one way in which I am raising my

00:39:40.260 daughters. There is another way in which I plan to raise my son. It's not the same. Some things

00:39:47.220 are universal to humanity. Others are distinct between the two sexes. So, you know, call out 0.71

00:39:54.700 sexism. No, thank you. No. Call out homophobia. Well, we know that that's going to be loosely

00:40:05.160 and subjectively and unjustly interpreted as what is homophobia. Simply saying that homosexuality

00:40:13.000 is a sin would be defined by most today as homophobia. Although I don't think that that's

00:40:19.460 homophobic. I think that that's simply what the Bible teaches. I'm not afraid of those who are

00:40:25.380 sodomites. I'm not afraid of those who are transgender. I don't have any fear associated, 1.00

00:40:31.820 but I do hate that sin because it's an abomination to the Lord. It's perverse. It's wicked. It's

00:40:38.700 gross. It has not only an effect on individuals who choose to sin against their own bodies in

00:40:44.080 that way and commit indecent and unnatural acts with one another, but it also has a harmful and

00:40:50.480 eroding effect at a general level for societies as a whole. And so in that sense, I absolutely hate

00:40:56.380 the sin and I'm not afraid of it, but I do have, I wouldn't say fear, but I would say that I

00:41:02.000 believe there's a proper reaction of disgust. If a Christian is in a movie theater, for instance, 0.98

00:41:10.520 and sees two men in the row in front of him, and they kiss one another. And your first reaction,

00:41:20.320 your first instinct is, ugh, gross. I think that that's a proper reaction.

00:41:29.020 I don't think that that's a sin that needs to be repented of. I don't think that that's

00:41:33.820 harmful, derogatory, unnecessarily mean or rude. I think you should exercise self-control. You

00:41:43.700 don't necessarily have to express that out loud. You don't need to be unnecessarily offensive.

00:41:49.460 You don't need to try to get a rise out of these two individual men. You don't need to cause a

00:41:54.240 scene in this public space. But for you to have this private reaction of disgust to a public

00:42:01.160 display of homosexual same-sex affection and to say yeah my first instinct is that

00:42:09.480 that's gross that's unnatural that's not homophobia and that's not even non-christian

00:42:19.200 i think that that actually ironically is a very christian reaction and then hopefully by the grace

00:42:24.280 of god that instinct is quickly followed up with with perhaps a prayer god would you grant them

00:42:29.800 repentance, that they would turn from their sin, that they would turn in personal faith to the

00:42:33.420 Lord Jesus Christ and receive salvation by grace and seek to put this sin to death and that they

00:42:38.840 would pursue that which is holy and righteous according to your immutable standard found in

00:42:43.960 your wonderful law. Because this is gross and wrong. Sin is gross. Sin is gross. All sin is

00:42:53.660 gross, but there are degrees. There are degrees. All sin is gross, but there are some sins per

00:43:00.100 Romans 1 that are particularly unnatural, that are grosser than other sins. This is not homophobia.

00:43:08.760 This is the Christian sexual ethic. So all these things being said, there's a little picture of

00:43:15.040 the public school that Jen Wilkins says, hey, I would never say that every family, every Christian

00:43:20.020 family, you know, giving her the benefit of the doubt, using her words. She did say that. She

00:43:24.060 made this disclaimer, but she said, I would never say that every Christian family should put their

00:43:29.140 kids in public school, but I think maybe some should, you know, because the question that a

00:43:35.540 lot of Christians, you know, are asking is, you know, what's best for my family? But that's not

00:43:40.900 really the way that we should think as Christians. We shouldn't think in exclusive terms of what's

00:43:45.660 best for our family. The last thing that I want to say is this. I just reject the basic notion and

00:43:56.060 concept that what is best for your individual household is going to be somehow contradicting

00:44:05.220 or pitted against what's best for society as a whole. See, that's the beauty of God's law

00:44:12.820 is that it's not all subjective, that it's not guesswork. It's not, Jesus says, all who are

00:44:24.040 weary and heavy laden, come to me and I will give you rest. For my yoke is easy, my burden

00:44:31.660 is light. Elsewhere in the scripture, it says that the commandments of God are not burdensome.

00:44:37.480 It's not just that there's a rest and relief in the triune God because of his mercy and

00:44:44.780 because of the gospel of free grace.

00:44:47.020 That is most certainly true.

00:44:49.020 But the Bible also says that even the law of God, there is a sense in which the law

00:44:54.140 of God is not only the morally right thing, but it's also that which is beneficial and

00:44:59.800 good.

00:45:00.500 David delights in the law of God.

00:45:02.520 He doesn't just acknowledge it and begrudgingly pull himself up by his bootstraps and submit

00:45:08.780 to it because it's morally right, but he delights in the law of God.

00:45:13.300 He sees it as good, holy, and right.

00:45:16.540 Not just holy and right, but also good, that which brings prosperity and flourishing, that

00:45:23.020 which is beneficial for individual image bearers of the living God and societies as a whole.

00:45:30.380 The law of God, not just the gospel of God, but the law of God is a breath of fresh air.

00:45:37.240 God's commandments are not burdensome.

00:45:39.220 I believe it was G.K. Chesterton who said that if we will not have 10 commandments,

00:45:44.220 we will have 10,000 commandments.

00:45:47.660 I mean, think of just all the different rules and guidelines over the last three years that

00:45:52.960 we've experienced in virtually every single country on the planet in regards to the branch

00:45:58.880 COVIDians. And we come to find out in hindsight that many of these were arbitrary. Why six feet 0.53

00:46:08.720 apart and not five or not 15? Do masks actually work? Well, okay, maybe only one type of mask

00:46:18.880 works, but how come I can wear a different cloth mask and that suffices in terms of the legislation,

00:46:26.260 the requirements for entering this building or these premises. And then you come to find out

00:46:31.800 that it's statistically proven that this type of mask actually does nothing, right? Well,

00:46:38.580 you need to do this. You need to do that. You need to stay in your home. You need to stay in

00:46:42.480 your house two weeks to slow the spread. You need to shut down schools, shut down this, shut down

00:46:47.240 that. If man will not have 10 commandments, he will have 10,000 commandments. The law of God

00:46:54.000 is in its first use, it condemns because it reveals to us the holiness of God and by way

00:47:01.420 of contrast, our sinfulness and therefore our need for a savior. The first use of the law of God

00:47:06.820 is that it drives us to Christ. Charles Spurgeon said, a man cannot appreciate the beauty of Christ

00:47:12.600 unless he first come to see the necessity for Christ. The law of God shows us our necessity

00:47:17.800 for Christ. So in the first use, this is the reformed traditional view, the first use of

00:47:22.940 God's law is that it does show us that we're crushed, that each of us is a transgressor,

00:47:28.400 that each of us is underneath the just condemnation of God, children of his wrath,

00:47:32.700 and that we are without hope in the world, that we need a savior. We need a substitute.

00:47:38.580 And so the law of God leaves us crushed, but it drives us to Christ, who's the balm,

00:47:44.240 the healing balm, who mends our wounds. But that's not the only use of the law of God.

00:47:50.760 The law of God does not exclusively have.

00:47:53.780 It has, in the first sense, first and foremost, it has a crushing effect.

00:47:58.700 But the third use of God's law is that it is a lamp unto our feet and a light unto our

00:48:03.420 path.

00:48:03.880 It functions not just as a mirror revealing our sinfulness and that we're under the wrath

00:48:08.240 of God apart from saving faith in Christ, but in the third use of God's law, it's a

00:48:13.220 compass, it's a guide, it's a tutor.

00:48:15.700 It directs us in the way in which we should live, not just the way in which we should

00:48:19.920 live that is pleasing to God, because none of us will be progressively righteous enough to ever

00:48:25.520 merit God's saving favor. But it shows us the way in which we should live that is pleasing to God,

00:48:32.740 not saving. We're only saved by Christ's perfect law-keeping, not our own. But it shows us what

00:48:38.360 is pleasing to God, and by obedience to the law of God, it not only honors God or brings glory to

00:48:45.640 God, but it does good to man. That which is bringing glory to God, obedience to the law of

00:48:52.180 God, also is that which is good for man. All that being said, what is God's law as it pertains to

00:49:00.320 fathers, chiefly mothers as well, but fathers predominantly in their moral obligation to their

00:49:07.000 children? Ephesians chapter six, fathers do not exasperate your children, but raise them up in

00:49:14.280 the knowledge and instruction of the Lord. Train them up in the paideia of the Lord,

00:49:21.480 the Christian worldview, the Christian curriculum. Raise them up in the paideia of the Lord,

00:49:29.180 the knowledge and instruction, the fear of the Lord. And the point is this,

00:49:35.160 God makes it really easy on us. We don't have to get out a whiteboard and have 67 different

00:49:44.080 sub points and drawing a pie graph and all these different things. We don't have to be

00:49:49.060 masters of trigonometry and quantum physics in order to be able to figure out what the will of

00:49:55.720 God is. We know the will of God. The will of God for fathers and mothers is that we would instill

00:50:01.100 in our children. Our job is to indoctrinate our children in the things of God. Indoctrination,

00:50:07.840 It's not whether, but which.

00:50:10.800 It's which curriculum are our children going to be indoctrinated in?

00:50:16.240 They're going to be indoctrinated.

00:50:17.780 They're going to be shaped.

00:50:18.960 They're going to be forged.

00:50:20.240 They're going to be immersed in instruction.

00:50:24.220 Someone will instruct them, and they will instruct them with one curriculum or another.

00:50:31.040 And what the Bible clearly tells us is that Christian fathers and Christian mothers have

00:50:35.660 an obligation underneath the law of God to instill in their children a distinctly Christian

00:50:43.360 education, that nothing is neutral. We have learned over the past three years that politics

00:50:49.400 is not neutral. Culture is not neutral. We've learned that art is not neutral. We must also

00:50:57.720 come to realize that education is not neutral. It is either a curriculum that affirms and delights

00:51:05.620 in the universal truth of the triune God, or it is a curriculum, an instruction

00:51:13.720 that is antithetical to the Christian worldview, that is God-hating on its face.

00:51:22.120 The public school doctrine, it's not enough just to say, well, there are Christians in the public

00:51:26.620 school system, not just Christian children, but there are Christian teachers and Christian

00:51:31.120 faculty and Christian administrators. Yeah, but what curriculum are they required by the state,

00:51:38.340 by law, to instill in your children? I don't want a Christian teaching my children a non-Christian 1.00

00:51:46.620 curriculum. There is no neutrality. Our children will either be raised to fear the Lord, 0.99

00:51:54.300 they'll either be raised in Christian doctrine, and not just Bible class for 35 minutes,

00:52:01.000 as their first subject as they then move on to the neutral realm of education no nothing is neutral

00:52:07.220 it is it is a christian bible class christian chapel christian psalm singing christian liturgy

00:52:14.200 but then it's also christian math and christian science and christian literature and christian

00:52:21.760 arts or the other way that you could say it is math science literature and arts because that's

00:52:30.340 the only kind that there really is. Anything that is not Christian is not good art. It progressively 1.00

00:52:36.960 becomes ugly. Anything that is not Christian math, it becomes not math. It becomes two plus two, 1.00

00:52:45.420 in some cases, may equal five, because mathematics and algebra, as we've come to know them,

00:52:52.300 is really just a symptom of white oppression. Do you see, your worldview, morality, is baked 0.74

00:52:59.800 into everything. Nothing is neutral. And so it's not just that we want to avoid all the gay flags

00:53:07.960 in the public school system. We do want to avoid that. We do not want to subject our children to 1.00

00:53:14.600 that context for 15,000 hours, 40 hours a week from the age of five to 18. We don't want to do

00:53:22.420 that. But it's not just what we're commanded by God to protect our children from, but what we're

00:53:28.620 commanded by God to provide for our children. The chief role of a father could be summed up in those

00:53:34.160 two categories, to protect and provide. So there is this satanic, God-averse, God-hating curriculum

00:53:43.580 and context, and sadly even people that we want to protect our children from. But then there's

00:53:50.100 also the paideia of the Lord, Christian education, that we're called to provide for our children.

00:53:56.800 And I submit to you, brother or sister in Christ, that you cannot sufficiently, as God would have you, thoroughly and effectively provide a Christian education for your children, 15 minutes a day, on the back end, sometime in the evening in your family worship, on the back end of the 40-hour-a-week satanic indoctrination that you've subjected them to in the public school.

00:54:23.760 so all that being said not only are you called to protect your children from lies and false doctrine

00:54:32.440 and perversion but you're also called to provide for your children a thorough christian instruction

00:54:41.420 which will not be accomplished in 15 minutes a day right that the public school system knows that

00:54:48.980 no kid goes to public school for 15 minutes a day what do they require eight hours a day

00:54:55.060 because they recognize they're right about this they recognize that if we're truly to thoroughly

00:55:01.720 instruct a child and shape them in their formation as they're becoming an adult if we're going to do

00:55:09.440 that it's going to require copious amounts of time it's going to require 15 000 hours from the age of

00:55:16.560 five to 18. That's what it takes. And I would submit to you again, Christian father, Christian

00:55:22.520 mother, that's what it takes to provide for your children a Christian education. If they're in

00:55:28.940 public school, it's not just that you failed to protect, but you also, by way of just practical

00:55:34.620 consequence, you have also failed to provide. A child being placed by their Christian parents 0.98

00:55:41.560 in a public school, those Christian parents are failing to protect their children from wickedness 0.93

00:55:46.960 and by subjecting their child committing to 15,000 hours of pagan indoctrination, 0.85

00:55:52.540 they have just eaten up the bulk of time available to provide a Christian education. So,

00:55:59.360 they're failing to protect and they've decided effectively to fail in their provision. They're

00:56:05.860 failing to provide righteousness and they are failing to protect from wickedness.

00:56:11.780 So the answer is abundantly clear. It's quite clear in regards to what is best for our children.

00:56:19.600 And that's the beauty that the higher yeses, they answer for us. They dictate in many cases for us

00:56:28.740 all of our lower no's, right? So how much commitment should I have towards my neighbor's

00:56:35.000 children? In what way should I be concerned about them? What do I need to be doing? Well,

00:56:39.800 start at home. What does God command me to do with my children, with my household, my family,

00:56:46.660 my wife and kids? What am I called to protect them from and to provide for them? I need to

00:56:53.500 protect them from a certain set of things and provide for them a certain set of things. Okay.

00:56:59.060 Now, if I'm committed to that first as an order of priority, which you should be, if

00:57:05.500 I'm committed to that first, then what can I do in addition to that without neglecting

00:57:11.160 the former?

00:57:12.020 What can I do over here that won't come at the expense of the first thing that I've been

00:57:17.780 called to?

00:57:19.400 Well, if you're called to protect your children from pagan indoctrination and to give your 0.89

00:57:24.280 children, a 15,000-hour Christian instruction and paideia curriculum, then one thing that 0.84

00:57:31.220 immediately is answered as a no is, well, we literally can't put them in public school.

00:57:38.000 And that's where I would make the argument, again, I don't believe that the Lord is pitting

00:57:44.720 our love for our children against our love for other people's children. 0.57

00:57:49.140 I believe that if Christians do what is best for their children and that they don't 0.98

00:57:53.980 determine what's best for their children subjectively or emotionally but biblically 0.75

00:57:59.160 and there is an answer people don't like it it's not complex it's just not popular

00:58:05.740 the answer that christians should not send their kids to public school that that's that's not an

00:58:11.740 answer that christians are are hesitant to come to because it's it's complicated it's simply

00:58:18.240 because it's hard. Obedience to Christ, it's not complicated. It's not complicated. It's like

00:58:24.140 chopping wood. Chopping wood isn't complicated. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to chop

00:58:29.300 wood, but you're probably going to sweat a little bit. Something can be simple and hard.

00:58:35.960 It can be simple, not complicated, but still hard, not easy. The answer to whether or not a

00:58:42.900 christian can put their kids in public school is is a simple answer no you cannot no you cannot

00:58:49.980 and all the ways in which we want to love other children in the community outside of our immediate

00:58:57.420 household will be determined will be determined by first determining okay this is what i must do

00:59:06.080 with my kids and if i'm faithful to do what i must do with my kids then there's a certain set of

00:59:12.520 things that I may do in regards to others. And the way that we work out, again, this proximity

00:59:19.440 argument, this order of loves, our priority of commitment, you start at home, love your wife,

00:59:27.340 love your children. Beyond that, love your church, not just the universal and invisible global church

00:59:33.860 of Christ throughout all ages, but start with your local church, the one that you're a member

00:59:38.320 in. Start loving your church. As often as you have opportunity, do good to all, but especially

00:59:43.560 prioritize. Start with the household of faith. So love your family, love your church, and then see

00:59:51.280 what ways, what resources, what time, what talent, what treasure do I have left over to love others?

00:59:58.440 What opportunity do I have for the all now that I've first sufficiently and obediently loved the

01:00:07.480 people that God has first commanded me to love. And as I seek to love over here, it cannot come

01:00:14.480 as a contradiction or at the expense of loving the people right here on my living room couch.

01:00:21.560 Can't be doing that. Can I be frank with you for just a second right here at the end? Look,

01:00:26.540 some of you guys, you're financially supporting this ministry. And from the bottom of my heart,

01:00:31.120 I say thank you. I cannot thank you enough. However, some of you, you just, you can't afford

01:00:38.160 it. In fact, some of you, you shouldn't afford it. Let's be honest. I mean, we're living in Joe

01:00:44.500 Biden's ridiculous economy. Our nation and our totalitarian political elites lost their minds 0.99

01:00:53.440 over the last three years due to COVID. We have written checks that we simply cannot cash.

01:01:00.240 It doesn't matter if people change the definition of a recession.

01:01:04.560 We are living in a recession right now regardless.

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The NXR Podcast - March 03, 2023

BONUS EPISODE - The Gospel Coalition & Public School ｜ “Love Your Neighbor, Hate Your Kids”

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