The NXR Podcast - BONUS EPISODE - Which One Is Quarrelsome According To Scripture？

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00:01:34 Today, I want to talk about what it means, biblically speaking, to be quarrelsome.

00:01:40 How does the Bible define quarrelsomeness?

00:01:44 I think that there are a lot of accusations that often come towards Christians and especially

00:01:51 pastors in regards to their method.

00:01:54 but what we find in scripture and i'm going to use a lot of verses to make this argument directly

00:01:59 from the bible but i'll start with my basic thesis right out of the gate what we find in

00:02:05 scripture predominantly is that what makes an individual quarrelsome is not his method

00:02:10 but his message again what makes an individual first and foremost quarrelsome is not his method

00:02:18 the tone of his voice or the way that he speaks the how but rather the message the what is he

00:02:26 saying something true or is he saying something that is false now the bible does address how we

00:02:33 speak the bible does address how we speak but the bible never addresses how we speak over and against

00:02:41 or as a greater priority to what we speak the first priority if we're triaging importance in

00:02:49 terms of what the scripture teaches it is more important what we say than how we say how we say

00:02:55 it matters the bible has something to say about that but first and foremost it is what we say

00:03:01 the false teachers that we see in scripture and this is ironic based off of a lot of the

00:03:06 common and popular notions that you hear from evangelicals today but what scripture actually

00:03:11 teaches is that many of the false teachers are described as being quarrelsome and catch this

00:03:17 simultaneously described as having smooth and flattering speech or tickling ears right they're

00:03:28 saying what people want to hear and they're speaking in the way that people want to hear it

00:03:34 both how they're speaking and what they're speaking both their method and their message

00:03:39 is what people want to hear and yet they are described in scripture as being divisive they

00:03:47 are described as being those who breed quarrels they are quarrelsome men who slip into households

00:03:55 upsetting whole households upsetting and turning dividing people against one another upsetting the

00:04:01 house of god the church and they do this with a smooth speech smooth tongue their method is

00:04:09 mr rogers nice but their message is poison it may be what the people want to hear it is certainly

00:04:17 how they want to hear it but it is not true and it ultimately damns the soul to help so let's go

00:04:24 ahead and start with the first verse that we have for today here we go first verse this is titus

00:04:31 chapter 3 verses 9 through 11 it says but avoid foolish controversies genealogies dissensions and

00:04:38 quarrels about the law for they are unprofitable and worthless as for a person who stirs up

00:04:44 division after warning him once and then twice have nothing more to do with him knowing that

00:04:50 such a person is warped and sinful he is self-condemned now the first thing that i want

00:04:56 to notice here is the things or the topics of discussion that are specifically named that

00:05:04 should be avoided because all they do is breed controversies and quarrels and divisions here

00:05:11 they are foolish controversies this is what you should avoid foolish controversies genealogies

00:05:18 dissensions and quarrels about the law now let me break each one of these down for a moment 0.93

00:05:26 because what people will do this is what your typical normie christian big eva gospel coalition

00:05:32 following saint is going to do they're going to eisegete their own presupposition what they think

00:05:41 each one of these words mean and it won't be anything close to what the author of scripture

00:05:47 inspired by the holy spirit actually means avoid foolish controversies you're a progressive

00:05:53 christian your typical nice sugar and spice following the good faith debates on the gospel 0.93

00:06:01 coalition christian he's going to say foolish controversies uh foolish controversies would be 0.89

00:06:07 you know like like uh something like about um the vaccine and whether or not you know it it has 0.95

00:06:15 certain uh certain side effects and my myocarditis that could cause somebody to have a random heart

00:06:22 attack and drop dead that's a foolish controversy no that's not what the bible is talking about

00:06:27 the Bible is not classifying or categorizing an untested experimental drug that sure, yeah, 1.00

00:06:38 millions of people have taken, but no one can tell us what the long-term effects are because

00:06:43 no one has taken it for years. No one has had this coursing through their bloodstream

00:06:49 for a decade. Millions of people have had it for a brief period of time. No one has had it

00:06:54 long-term the bible is not saying that pushing back and saying wait a second whoa whoa whoa

00:07:00 uh not not only is this vaccine questionable but but vaccine mandates that the government

00:07:06 is going to dictate in a machiavellian totalitarian draconian sense what i must

00:07:14 put in my body and it has no long-term testing and we are hearing evidence after evidence of

00:07:24 side effects i i think that's suspect well that's a that's a foolish controversy no it's not okay

00:07:33 genealogies genealogies this is not talking about genealogies in the bible i i highly doubt that

00:07:41 the apostle paul underneath the inspiration of the holy spirit writing to titus a son in the faith

00:07:47 is saying that the bible should be avoided so this is not talking about the beginning of the

00:07:53 book of matthew this is not talking about uh the book of genesis right chapter 11 this is not

00:08:01 talking about multiple genealogies that we find inspired by the holy spirit written by the authors

00:08:08 of scripture on the pages of the bible these genealogies god not only is saying it's true

00:08:15 but god is also saying that it matters that it matters that it that it's tracking

00:08:20 the messianic lineage it's tracking the lineage of christ all the way down from the woman eve

00:08:29 right that your seed will crush the serpent's head the first promise of the gospel that we

00:08:34 receive going all the way from her to the tribe of judah and tamar and all the way to to david

00:08:42 as king because he is prophesied to be the son of david all the way down to joseph and mary

00:08:49 that's not something that should be avoided scripture is not something to be avoided

00:08:54 the genealogies that are mentioned here are speculative there's there they're unprofitable

00:09:02 genealogies that we don't have in scripture it's more so certain Jewish traditions that's really

00:09:10 myth and legend we're not talking about scripture we're not called to avoid the scripture right

00:09:17 next one dissensions that there were certain certain factions between you know this person

00:09:23 and that person well okay some of these you know factions and dissensions between certain Jewish

00:09:30 rabbis and things like that yeah those things should be avoided and that kind of leads into

00:09:35 the very next one quarrels about the law now this is where a lot of evangelicals I think are way

00:09:40 off base they would say well you know you're preaching the law of God and we're told to avoid

00:09:46 quarrels about the law okay what is the law what is the law in this sense in the context of this

00:09:53 text that certain quarrels and arguments about the law of god should be avoided do you think

00:09:59 it's talking about um the moral law of god the eternal and immutable transcendent moral law of

00:10:06 god the decalogue exodus chapter 20 the 10 commandments let's just go with the sixth

00:10:11 commandment for a moment thou shalt not murder do you do you think that if if if there's a serial

00:10:17 killer and a christian comes out and says hey he should stop killing people uh do you think that

00:10:25 we should respond by saying hey you're a quarrelsome person you're being divisive right now 0.98

00:10:30 um you know you're you're quarreling about the law uh no that's no the law in this context is

00:10:38 speaking of the Mosaic law, predominantly, primarily speaking of the ceremonial law,

00:10:44 the ceremonial rituals that were given to Israel uniquely underneath the Old Covenant for a time,

00:10:50 but have now been fulfilled and abrogated by the earthly ministry,

00:10:55 namely the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

00:10:59 Jesus is our High Priest, not merely in the order of the Levitical order,

00:11:04 but in the order of Melchizedek.

00:11:06 he is a priest and king forever and he is our perfect and final and eternal forever high priest

00:11:13 he is also the perfect sacrifice right by the blood of bulls and goats that God is not pleased

00:11:20 with animal sacrifices not in the ultimate sense the blood of bulls and goats would never take

00:11:25 away sin is what Hebrews the author to the Hebrews says but Jesus is the lamb of God the perfect

00:11:31 sacrifice, perfect forever priest, and final sacrifice, the Lamb of God who takes away the

00:11:37 sins of the world. Jesus washes us by his blood and sanctifies us by his word to where we are

00:11:43 clean, right? We are clean now. So certain hand washings and washing rituals no longer apply for

00:11:50 the New Testament, New Covenant Church. The law that's being spoken of here, what the apostle

00:11:56 is saying is get away from these he's talking about judaism a lot of this is about judaism

00:12:01 foolish controversies within judaism and certain rabbinical myths and certain genealogies and

00:12:11 dissensions within that vein that context and quarrels about the law speaking primarily of the 0.93

00:12:16 mosaic law of the the ceremonial law that has been ultimately fulfilled by christ these things

00:12:23 are unprofitable and worthless. Now, what your typical evangelical wants to do is say that

00:12:30 a theological debate about Arminianism versus Calvinism is quarrelsome, that it's unprofitable

00:12:40 and worthless. Now, God's role in saving sinners is not unprofitable and worthless.

00:12:49 that's insane and yet people think that this is unprofitable and worthless the bible says to avoid

00:12:57 that no the bible doesn't say just avoid arguments period there are some things worth arguing think

00:13:03 about that for a moment if if that's the biblical precedent just to avoid all arguments then you

00:13:10 can't preach the gospel to unbelievers who hate the gospel because they're going to disagree

00:13:16 they're going to push back they're going to argue uh if if if all arguing is inherently sinful then

00:13:24 you and i are on our way to hell we're still dead in our sins because the only way we're forgiven

00:13:29 is if a sinless savior died as a substitute in our place and jesus is not sinless if all arguing

00:13:36 is inherently sinful because jesus engaged in argument he did jesus reasoned and debated and

00:13:45 argued with the pharisees and the sadducees and the scribes and the rulers of the law the apostle

00:13:52 paul he debated the apostle um the apostle paul debated and reasoned in the hall of tyrrhenius

00:13:59 and uh we also have apollos who the bible literally says he argued and debated depending

00:14:04 on your translation powerfully so so the bible's filled with examples of people who are pushing

00:14:11 back, who were engaging in debate, engaging in argument, right? The average population in some

00:14:20 of these places, especially Jewish places, they said of Paul that he is one who stirs up riots.

00:14:27 In other words, they're saying, this is a guy who's, he's just, he's trouble. He's a quarreler, 0.96

00:14:33 right? King Ahab said that of Elijah, you troubler of Israel. And Elijah responds by saying, 0.99

00:14:39 hey i'm not allowed to argue so i guess i'll agree with whatever you say i am a troubler of

00:14:42 israel no he he argues he says now you're the one who has brought trouble on israel i'm not a

00:14:49 troubler of israel you don't like me because i say things that you don't want to hear but i'm not the

00:14:54 quarrelsome person i'm not the argumentative person i'm not the troubler the the one who

00:15:00 has actually brought trouble on the people is the one who is worshiping false gods the one who is

00:15:07 faithless the one who's in sin the one who's wrong he's the troubler of israel so paul argued

00:15:15 apollos argued peter argued uh jesus argued they had a sharp polemic not politic but polemic they

00:15:23 had a sharp rhetoric they were willing to engage in debate for the glory of god and the good of

00:15:30 his people who were being led astray all right let's go ahead and look at another verse here's

00:15:35 the next verse. Now, the next couple of verses are going to just reiterate, because I want to

00:15:40 show you, it's not just in one place in the Bible, but it's going to reiterate what we just saw in

00:15:45 the prior text. So this now is 2 Timothy chapter 2, verses 23 and 24. It says, has nothing to do

00:15:52 with foolish, ignorant controversies, right? It's the same phrase. It's the same term, foolish 0.99

00:15:58 controversies. You know that they breed quarrels, that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant 0.98

00:16:05 must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone able to teach patiently enduring evil so that that does

00:16:13 get a little bit into not just the message but the method not just what we say but how we say it

00:16:19 the lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but rather in contrast he should be kind able to teach

00:16:26 so he's competent he's able to engage in theological debate but he's also patient he's not

00:16:33 just competent he's not just studied up but he's also patiently enduring evil right it's like the

00:16:41 parable that jesus told to the disciples that uh that that a master owned a field and that he

00:16:46 planted wheat and then his enemy one of his enemies came in the middle of the night uh and planted bad

00:16:52 seeds so that there were tears among the wheat there were weeds among the wheat that sprung up

00:16:57 and the disciples you know the the servants of the master they go to him and they say

00:17:02 should we go ahead and root up the tares and the master responds by saying no lest we also damage

00:17:08 the wheat but let's wait to the end of the age we'll wait to the harvest which represents the

00:17:13 end of the age and the reapers which represent the angels Jesus interprets the parable later

00:17:17 for the disciples they will come and they will ultimately harvest both the wheat and the tares

00:17:23 and then separate them the wheat to be stored in my barn and the tares to be burned in the fire

00:17:30 So there is something to be said for waiting.

00:17:32 I think some of this applies to church discipline, for instance.

00:17:36 There are times where you might have knowledge.

00:17:39 You might be a witness, an eyewitness.

00:17:41 You were there.

00:17:42 You saw it.

00:17:43 It's not speculation.

00:17:44 It's not just a gut feeling or an instinct, but you were an eye, an ear witness.

00:17:49 You saw someone do something that is egregiously sinful.

00:17:54 As the Westminster would say, it's a high-handed sin.

00:17:57 and you've confronted the person per Matthew 18, go to your brother alone. He has not listened to

00:18:04 you. You have not been able to win over your brother. He has not even admitted that he did

00:18:08 that. He's lying. He's doubling down and digging in his heels and saying, no, you weren't there.

00:18:14 I didn't do that. You didn't see anything. And nobody else was a witness. Nobody else is able

00:18:20 to come out and testify as an eyewitness. You do not have two or three independent,

00:18:25 credible lines of testimony from primary sources you don't have that and so what does the bible

00:18:33 say that you do well whether it's deuteronomy and israel under the old covenant or whether it's

00:18:38 matthew 18 and the new testament in either regard what the bible says that you do is that ultimately

00:18:43 that person gets off the hook that biblically speaking the principle is this um that it would

00:18:50 be better it would be better for 10 guilty people to ultimately um be be treated as though they're

00:19:00 innocent than to wrongfully charge and indict and and criminalize one innocent person why why is the

00:19:10 bible when determining what what gets the priority why does the bible prioritize protecting the

00:19:16 innocent rather than punishing the guilty. Punishing the guilty is important, but if we're

00:19:22 having to choose between the two, the Bible prioritizes protecting the innocent over punishing

00:19:26 the guilty. Why? Because at the end of the day, in the ultimate eternal sense, the guilty never go

00:19:32 unpunished. No one indefinitely gets away with sin because there's a God in heaven who judges

00:19:41 both the quick and the dead and he sees all things and he does all things right and so

00:19:48 better for someone who is guilty to temporarily get away with their guilt than someone who is

00:19:55 innocent to be wrongfully tried and charged okay so all that being said the the point is

00:20:03 the lord's servant should be patient that doesn't mean that he doesn't engage in argument when

00:20:08 falsehoods are being proclaimed it simply means that that he doesn't um overstep his biblical

00:20:16 jurisdiction that he does not exercise the authority of command beyond the bounds of

00:20:24 authority that have been assigned to him that he's not um a vigilante that he doesn't try to

00:20:32 take justice into his own hands, that he doesn't practice or engage in abuse, or in the context of

00:20:40 the church, spiritual abuse, that he follows carefully the jurisdictions and the process

00:20:47 laid out in scripture for dealing with sin. And even if he has innate knowledge that the person

00:20:53 is guilty, if the process that Christ has given us in his words is not able to find the person

00:21:00 guilty because in the providence of God in his sovereignty it's not an accident God's sovereign

00:21:05 overall if in God's sovereignty he just didn't allow for there to be a second witness then the

00:21:11 person is ultimately going to say let God be true and every man a liar God knows what he's doing

00:21:16 God's sovereign he works all things for the good of those who love him and are called according to

00:21:20 his purposes even even tragedies even injustice God works all things for the good of those who

00:21:27 love him God is sovereign over everything so even in this patiently enduring evil kind and we might

00:21:35 say respectful towards everyone you can argue passionately but in a way that is that is not

00:21:41 cruel in a way that is not mean-spirited and you can be patient not meaning that hey I'm just being

00:21:48 patient I'm not I'm just not going to argue I'm never going to engage if somebody disagrees

00:21:52 that's not what patience means in this context that's not what it means so same kind of concept

00:21:59 avoiding foolish controversies again I think a lot of this is having to do with Judaism things

00:22:05 that were particular to that first century there were there were certain Judaizers circumcisers

00:22:10 of the flesh the circumcision party as Paul calls them elsewhere especially in the book of Galatians

00:22:16 And he often cites these individuals as being divisive, as being those who stir up quarrels and stir up division, introduce division into these Gentile New Covenant, New Testament churches. 0.54

00:22:31 And Paul is saying, avoid these individuals. Don't engage them. 0.86

00:22:35 Don't engage them. That doesn't mean don't engage somebody on the topic of God's sovereignty.

00:22:41 It doesn't mean don't engage somebody in the topic of eschatology

00:22:45 or don't engage somebody in the topic of penal substitutionary atonement.

00:22:51 It means if somebody is talking about the ceremonial portions of the Mosaic law

00:22:57 that have been fulfilled and abrogated by Christ

00:23:00 by virtue of his life, death, and resurrection,

00:23:03 now on this side of the new covenant, better just to avoid that.

00:23:08 They're warped men, as the scripture speaks elsewhere.

00:23:11 They're warped men, simply wanting to upset households, sow seeds of division, best to avoid these people.

00:23:21 Mark and avoid.

00:23:22 All right, here's the next text.

00:23:25 This is 1 Timothy chapter 6, verses 3 through 5.

00:23:28 So here we have, well, I'll just go ahead and read it.

00:23:33 It says,

00:24:03 means of gain. So a lot of sharp words to say about such an individual. This person is,

00:24:10 they're a bad guy. They're depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness 0.99

00:24:18 is a means of gain. So there's a duplicity, there's greed, all these things are involved.

00:24:24 But start at the beginning of the text. Who is this person? What makes them the person who is

00:24:31 quarrelsome and stirs up quarrels and divisive. If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does

00:24:38 not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness,

00:24:44 then he's conceited, puffed up with conceit, understanding nothing. So he's conceited,

00:24:48 he's arrogant and ignorant. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy. What makes him have an 1.00

00:24:54 unhealthy craving for controversy? Because he has right doctrine and loves the Word of God and wants

00:25:00 to engage with people, to see them come into right doctrine as well? No. What makes him the kind of

00:25:07 guy that has an unhealthy craving for controversy isn't, and for quarrels about words, isn't because

00:25:15 he's the guy who's engaging in arguments. It's not, hey, this guy has a love of controversy

00:25:22 and quarrels. This guy has a craving for controversy and quarrels because we regularly

00:25:27 see him engaging in debate no it's because he's wrong in his theology he's wrong in his theology

00:25:36 it's not the guy who's regularly debating that is the guy who's described in scripture as having a

00:25:43 craving for controversy and quarrels about words now the guy who's described as having an unhealthy

00:25:49 craving for controversy and he has a craving for quarrels is the guy who teaches a different

00:25:56 doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our lord jesus christ and the teaching which

00:26:02 accords with godliness meaning that the person who is chiefly responsible for being the source

00:26:09 of division and quarrelsomeness is the person who's wrong let me say that again that's that's

00:26:16 a basic rule of thumb that you'll find all over the pages of scripture especially in the new

00:26:21 testament when it comes to to deciding who's being quarrelsome here nine out of ten times

00:26:28 according to a biblical definition looking at text like this one the person who is quarrelsome

00:26:34 that the bible would define as quarrelsome is you could have two people both arguing

00:26:40 both arguing but the person who's quarrelsome is the person who's wrong that's the person who's

00:26:47 quarrelsome. The person who is theologically wrong, who's teaching a different doctrine.

00:26:53 The Apostle Paul engaged in quarrels. He engaged in arguments all the time, but he was not quarrelsome.

00:27:02 Why? How could the Apostle Paul quarrel, but not be marked as a man who is sinfully quarrelsome?

00:27:08 Because he was right. Because he was right. Yes, it has something to do with the method,

00:27:15 that he was patient that he was kind first and foremost it has something to do with the message

00:27:22 he was doctrinally sound he was right let's go ahead and move on to another verse

00:27:28 a bishop then must be blameless the husband of one wife vigilant sober of good behavior

00:27:38 given to hospitality apt to teach not given to wine no striker not greedy or filthy lucre

00:27:45 but patient, not a brawler, not covetousness, a covetous, a covetous. So this is first Timothy

00:27:52 chapter three, verses two through three. This is listing some of the qualifications for a bishop

00:27:59 or other translations would say an elder. These two terms being synonymous, this is a pastor.

00:28:05 Somebody is going to hold the ordained office of elder in the church. If they're going to be a

00:28:10 pastor there are certain qualifications that they must fulfill that they must meet now the reason

00:28:16 why i'm using this is the king james version here the reason why i want to use the king james version

00:28:21 i think it's better um well in multiple places but this being one of them um i think that the

00:28:27 king james version is better and one of the things that it says other versions will say he must not

00:28:31 be quarrelsome but the king james version goes ahead and just defines quarrelsome and says instead

00:28:38 of saying he must not be quarrelsome or argumentative it goes ahead and says well he he must

00:28:45 not be a striker no striker a not greedy a filthy lucre but patient and then it says not a brawler

00:28:53 not a brawler whereas other translations again are going to say he must not be quarrelsome the

00:29:00 king james is going to say he must not be getting in physical fights he must not be someone getting

00:29:07 in fistfights. He must not be striking. He must not be a brawler. So the King James is essentially

00:29:14 saying, what does it mean not to be quarrelsome? It means that this guy isn't punching people in

00:29:20 the face. The guy who's not punching people in the face. And it's assuming that he's right,

00:29:28 because it also says he must be able to teach. It says he must be able to teach. So he's got to

00:29:33 have theological competence right that's one of the qualifications so he's we're assuming here

00:29:38 he's theologically competent and he's engaging with people who disagree with him pastors regularly

00:29:44 do that engaging with people who disagree with the doctrine that they are teaching publicly in

00:29:50 their public preaching ministry so he's teaching sound doctrine people are pushing back with unsound

00:29:56 doctrine with wrong doctrine he's engaging with some of that pushback he's engaging with some of

00:30:02 that debate and what makes him not quarrelsome is that he's right c.a in terms of his message

00:30:09 he's on the right side he has the right theological position and number two although he is arguing

00:30:16 powerfully the apollos the bible says that he argued powerfully he was using sharp language

00:30:24 sharp language jesus used sharp language polemical language he described i mean he used sarcasm

00:30:32 You strain a gnat, but you swallow a camel.

00:30:36 You're like whitewashed tombs, right?

00:30:38 You're pretty and bleached on the outside, but on the inside, there's the smell of a 0.51

00:30:43 rotting corpse. 1.00

00:30:45 You're so dumb. 1.00

00:30:47 You clean the outside of your glass before taking a drink, but you leave a petri dish 1.00

00:30:53 of infectious bacteria and disease inside the cup, pour in your drink, and then go ahead

00:31:01 and gulp it down right that's the way that jesus speaks to people who were perverting the truth

00:31:08 and leading others astray and that's not quarrelsome jesus did not lift a hand jesus was not

00:31:16 a brawler in fact even when they wrongfully come for him for his arrest when it would have been

00:31:21 right to exercise self-defense in an ordinary situation jesus knowing the purpose for which

00:31:27 he had come to earth as a lamb led to the slaughter to die for the sins of the world,

00:31:33 Jesus does not resist.

00:31:35 He does not physically resist.

00:31:36 Even then, he engages, and he still has some sharp words, right?

00:31:40 I've been publicly teaching for the better part of three years now, give or take.

00:31:45 You've seen me in the synagogues.

00:31:47 You've seen me in the streets.

00:31:48 You could have arrested me at any time, but you come under the cover of darkness, right?

00:31:53 He's charging them.

00:31:54 That's what he's doing.

00:31:55 He's saying, you're being deceptive.

00:31:57 You didn't come in broad daylight because you know what you're doing is wrong.

00:32:02 You're going to hold a mock trial and produce false witnesses in the middle of the night.

00:32:09 And that's why you're coming now.

00:32:11 So even then, at Jesus' arrest, knowing that that was the very purpose that he came for,

00:32:15 to be arrested, to be wrongfully tried, and to be crucified,

00:32:19 Jesus, knowing this, he engages in polemical language.

00:32:22 He calls them out on their duplicity.

00:32:25 He says, you're being sinister.

00:32:26 You're being malicious.

00:32:27 you're being deceitful. You are being deceitful. And so he's still using sharp words, but he doesn't 0.78

00:32:34 physically resist. He's not a brawler. And when Peter starts to brawl, namely by cutting off one

00:32:41 of the soldier's ears, Jesus tells him to put away his sword. And he reaches down and he grabs the

00:32:47 ear and he heals the man who's coming to wrongfully arrest him. So sharp language is different than

00:32:54 being a striker sharp language is different than being a brawler and i appreciate the king james

00:33:00 particularly in this context where instead of saying quarrelsome it just goes ahead and

00:33:06 practically defines exactly what it means to be quarrelsome which means that an elder does argue

00:33:13 he does engage he even has at his disposal sarcasm satire sharp polemical language what

00:33:23 makes him not quarrelsome is twofold he's right and he doesn't punch people in the face god bless

00:33:29 all right let's go ahead and look at another verse first corinthians chapter 1 verse 10 through 12

00:33:36 i appeal to you brothers by the name of our lord jesus christ that all of you agree and that there

00:33:42 be no divisions among you all right this is a verse that is used out of context well just

00:33:49 misinterpreted a million times but that you be united in the same mind and same judgment for

00:33:56 it has been reported to me by chloe's people that there is quarreling there's the word among you

00:34:02 my brothers what i mean is that each of you says i follow paul i follow apollos i follow cephas

00:34:12 that's Peter, or I follow Christ. Again, that's 1 Corinthians 1, verses 10-12. Now, this one is

00:34:19 hilarious when you see people misapply this scripture and misinterpret it. So, I follow

00:34:26 Paul, I follow Apollos, I follow Peter, I follow Christ. How do people interpret this? How does

00:34:32 your modern evangelical normie evangelical use this i follow calvin i follow jacobus arminius

00:34:41 i follow whatever you know some other guy edwards i follow spurgeon i follow wesley i follow

00:34:49 whitfield i that's how they apply it now why does that not work why is that a misinterpretation

00:34:56 i follow calvin what i follow um i i'm a calvinist i'm an arminian i follow john calvin i follow

00:35:06 jacobus arminius why is that not the same as saying i follow paul i follow apollos i follow

00:35:13 cephas i follow christ the reason why that's different calvin versus jacobus arminius

00:35:20 versus what the text says paul apollos peter and jesus the reason why that's different is because

00:35:27 paul apollos peter and jesus agree that's the difference paul did not have a different doctrine

00:35:39 than jesus and this is the same argument that progressive deconstructing liberal god-hating

00:35:48 christians and they're not actually christians people like brandon robertson i think is his

00:35:53 name james white and jeff durbin recently debated him um people like this what do they do

00:35:59 think about it remember what do they do what would a feminist do feminist theologians

00:36:06 lgbt affirming theologians what do they do they are constantly trying to trump paul with jesus

00:36:13 that's not what first corinthians chapter one verses 10 through 12 is saying right that's not

00:36:20 what paul is saying to the corinthians right because notice he doesn't just say because

00:36:25 what you would think the way that people use this verse you would think that paul would say

00:36:29 you know um you guys are quarreling and that's not good some of you say i follow paul some say

00:36:35 i follow apollo some say i follow peter but what you should do is just say i follow jesus

00:36:40 but that's not the text paul cites that or i follow christ that that position in the context

00:36:48 of his argument is also a quarrelsome position think about that for a second let that sit

00:36:53 for a moment just chew on that marinate on that for a second paul is citing right along

00:36:58 the categories of i follow paul i follow apollos i follow cephas again that's peter or i follow

00:37:05 christ i follow jesus is being cited as an example of being quarrelsome because the people who are

00:37:14 claiming to follow one of these men or in the case of christ the god man the son of god in all these

00:37:21 cases they're not talking about their doctrine that's not what's going on here the people that

00:37:28 Paul's writing to, the Corinthians, they are aware that there is theological unity and perfect

00:37:36 alignment between the apostles and Christ. So when people say, well, I follow Paul, they're not saying

00:37:43 Paul teaches one thing and Jesus teaches something else. And I choose Paul over Jesus.

00:37:49 No one's making that argument. That's not what Paul's addressing with the Corinthian church.

00:37:53 he goes right after this i don't have it for the screen but right after this he goes into baptism

00:37:59 and he actually says i thank god that i did not baptize anyone and then he says well but i did

00:38:05 baptize this household and maybe this other one and you know if there's anybody else that i baptized

00:38:09 beyond that i can't remember because apparently he did baptize but he goes on and says before i did

00:38:14 not come to baptize not that baptism is wrong somebody needs to baptize but he says as an

00:38:19 apostle of christ not as a local elder in the church but primarily as an apostle of christ on

00:38:25 a missionary journey going to as many people as possible and staying for a short time in each of

00:38:30 these places my chief aim is to simply preach not not to baptize but to preach but it's not

00:38:37 what i'm trying to say is it's not random that the apostle paul has this text that we've just

00:38:44 read that's on the screen right now and then goes from that and talks about baptism

00:38:48 what biblical scholars and commentators within the reformed tradition that are tried and true

00:38:56 and sound solid respectable theologians that i would adhere to and trust what they say about

00:39:02 this i think they're right is they're saying it's not so much that there's four different

00:39:07 men represented here one being the god man christ and they represent four different theological

00:39:13 teachings four different doctrinal confessions that that are not in harmony with one another

00:39:21 but actually contradict the four different theological systems that contradict one another

00:39:26 that's not what's being mentioned the reason why baptism is brought into the equation is because

00:39:31 it's talking about people were boasting in the corinthian church about their status based off

00:39:38 of who baptized them i was baptized by the apostle peter i was baptized by apollos i was baptized by

00:39:48 paul i was baptized by the followers of christ his own disciples when he was still walking the earth

00:39:54 that's what they're getting this is not four different people representing four different

00:40:00 theological positions the apostles and jesus are not divided against each other theologically and

00:40:07 the few instances, one that I can think of off the top of my head, where there is a doctrinal

00:40:14 dispute, it is quickly put into order. What's the instance that I'm thinking of? The book of

00:40:19 Galatians, right? Where it says that certain men from James, whether James the apostle actually

00:40:24 sent them from Jerusalem or not, they claim to be from James, but they were actually probably not

00:40:29 from James, but from the circumcision party. And they come down to check on what's happening

00:40:34 what the ministry of Paul and Barnabas and these guys and and they come down and start preaching

00:40:40 about circumcision being required to be a Christian that they must adhere to the law of

00:40:47 Moses namely the ceremonial portions of the law ceremonial rituals and primarily circumcision 0.92

00:40:53 and to the point where Peter who was previously eating with the Gentiles and living like a Gentile 0.94

00:41:00 in terms of his dietary restrictions and those truly believing that these things have been 0.50

00:41:05 fulfilled by Christ, all of a sudden he kind of reverts back into his old Judaism ways and he

00:41:14 starts distancing himself from the Gentiles and it starts to cause a division within the church 0.53

00:41:20 there. So much so that even Barnabas, Paul says, was led astray. Now what does Paul do? Well now

00:41:26 Peter and Paul for the rest of their ministries, their public ministries, they both have

00:41:30 contradicting a separate set of of theological persuasions no paul just addresses it and he

00:41:36 addresses it public publicly he says i called him out to his face for he was clearly in the wrong

00:41:43 peter was not keeping in step his actions of withdrawing from the gentiles were not in step

00:41:50 it was hypocrisy not keeping in step with the truth of the gospel the gospel that that were

00:41:56 saved by grace and not by adherence to the ceremonial rituals of the law of god but that

00:42:02 christ is the final and perfect fulfillment of those things and that we're saved by grace through

00:42:07 faith alone peter his his actions his hands and feet withdrawing from the gentiles to impress

00:42:16 these men who are you know sent from james allegedly whether they were or not that was

00:42:22 hypocrisy because it's not as keeping in step with his doctrine so paul actually one he's not

00:42:29 actually even even correcting peter's doctrine he's saying you're not keeping in step with the

00:42:35 gospel that i know you believe so i know that you and i agree on doctrine you're just not living it

00:42:41 out currently and you need to that's one of the only big disputes i mean we have other where you

00:42:48 know paul and barnabas they part ways but they don't part ways over calvinism they don't part

00:42:53 ways over reform soteriology or whether or not unconditional election is found in the scripture

00:42:58 they part ways over over who should be in their ministry team namely john mark and even that

00:43:06 seems to be reconciled later on when the apostle paul who did not think that mark should come with

00:43:11 him and barnabas thought that they that he should they still bless each other they're amicable it's

00:43:16 a sharp dispute, but they ultimately bless each other to work in different portions of the Lord's

00:43:20 vineyard. They're not disagreeing doctrinally. They're just disagreeing over the credentials

00:43:25 of an individual based off of his past failures. And then later on, the apostle Paul says,

00:43:30 send to me John Mark for I'm in need of him recognizing, Hey, I think I got that one wrong.

00:43:36 Or even if he's not admitting that he got it wrong, he's saying, well, if Mark was suspect

00:43:40 before, he's not suspect any longer because Barnabas did some good work with discipling

00:43:46 John Mark and he's solid now. These are like the only example, you don't look through the pages

00:43:53 of the New Testament and see Peter and Paul disagreeing with each other. So when he says

00:43:59 that I hear there's quarreling among you, my brothers, what I mean, he's saying, what kind

00:44:05 of quarreling here's the example of the quarreling i'm talking about one says i follow paul one says

00:44:10 i follow apollos one says i follow cephas one says i follow christ paul is not saying that these are

00:44:17 four different individuals with four different contradicting theological positions

00:44:23 and you adhering to one and saying that it's right while implying that the others are wrong

00:44:31 is what it means to be quarrelsome that's not what he's saying because these guys agree

00:44:36 paul and peter agree theologically and paul despite the progressive lgbt affirming feminist theologian

00:44:44 paul agrees with jesus and jesus agrees with paul to use pauline epistles in the new testament

00:44:52 for our our biblical support for homosexuality being a sin or a woman not being permitted to

00:44:59 teach or exercise authority over a man to use paul is to use jesus it is the words of christ

00:45:06 it's god's word it's breathed out by god it's scripture it is the word of god it's not paul

00:45:13 versus jesus it's all jesus it's all the word of god paul is speaking as an apostle of christ

00:45:21 with apostolic authority meaning he is speaking upon the authority which christ gave him that

00:45:27 Christ commissioned him as a messenger, as an apostle, an erander of Christ's authority and

00:45:34 message. So these guys are not doctrinally contradicting one another. The quarreling that

00:45:40 was going on in Corinth is not saying, well, I agree with Paul's theology and you agree with

00:45:48 Cephas, Peter's theology, and these are two different contradicting theologies. No, it's

00:45:52 saying rather it's saying um paul's a bigger deal than peter peter's a bigger deal than paul and i

00:45:58 have paul you know paul benefits paul advantages because i was baptized by paul uh well i was

00:46:06 baptized by peter and to be baptized by peter is a bigger deal than being baptized by paul well i'm

00:46:11 better than all of you i was baptized by jesus that that's what he's addressing he's addressing

00:46:16 people making certain claims of of having close vicinity to big names in in the first century

00:46:24 church apostles and jesus of course himself is the cornerstone and using that as their basis for

00:46:30 being higher up on the pecking order it's not a conversation about differing contradicting

00:46:38 doctrines so when somebody engages in the debate and says i think calvin is right in his

00:46:44 interpretation of scripture and jacobus arminius is wrong and then someone says well that's what

00:46:49 paul's talking about first corinthians 1 you're saying i follow john calvin you're saying you

00:46:54 follow jacobus arminius but really i just follow jesus you've completely misunderstood paul's point

00:47:00 in first corinthians 1 completely all right let's go on um i think that may be it do we have another

00:47:06 text here we go romans 16 17 and 18 i appeal to you brothers to watch out for those who cause

00:47:13 divisions who are the quarrelsome types who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the

00:47:20 doctrine that you have been taught avoid these people here they are for such persons do not

00:47:26 serve our lord christ but their own appetites by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts

00:47:35 of the naive by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive so who are the

00:47:43 people who introduce divisions cause divisions the people who are really harsh in their tongue

00:47:49 no not according to this verse of the bible the people that paul's talking again paul here

00:47:59 in romans that he's talking about that cause division and create obstacles contrary to the

00:48:05 doctrine that they have been taught these people who are just serving their own appetites and not

00:48:10 serving the lord jesus these people who are divisive who are quarrelsome are people who don't

00:48:18 have harsh tone but smooth tone the people who are divisive and quarrelsome in this text are not

00:48:27 the ones with harsh tone but the ones with smooth tone so let's just give an example modern day

00:48:35 example. Joel Osteen or Paul Washer, which one is quarrelsome by the Bible's definition?

00:48:48 Joel Osteen versus Paul Washer, which one is causing division? Which one is using smooth

00:48:57 talk and flattery and deceiving the hearts of the naive it's not Paul Washer it's Joel Osteen

00:49:07 of course it is but by human standards especially in our culture today where it's all about being

00:49:17 nice by human standards very few people would think of Joel Osteen as being quarrelsome

00:49:23 Now, there's a lot of Christians by the grace of God who have sound doctrine, who are truly born again, believe the gospel, and they're able to recognize that Joel Osteen is a false teacher.

00:49:34 And so there's a lot of Christians that would say, Joel Osteen is a false teacher.

00:49:39 But even they, not all of them, would be willing to say, Joel Osteen is a false teacher and he's quarrelsome.

00:49:47 He's divisive.

00:49:50 He's one who causes divisions.

00:49:53 but the bible would say that the person who causes divisions is the one who's in introducing

00:50:00 theological error let me say that again the person that the bible that the bible charges

00:50:08 as being divisive is the person who's introducing error that's the divisive person and you might

00:50:17 I think, well, Joel Osteen is not divisive.

00:50:19 He's not quarrelsome.

00:50:20 He speaks in the most smooth, kind, big smile talk that you could possibly imagine.

00:50:27 How is that quarrelsome?

00:50:29 Have you ever gotten in a debate with one of his followers?

00:50:35 See, you think Joel Osteen is nice.

00:50:38 You think that he's not quarrelsome.

00:50:41 But what about the millions of people who follow him,

00:50:44 who are exactly what's described in verse 18?

00:50:47 of this text Romans chapter 16 verse 18 that by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts

00:50:55 of the naive what about them not just the false teacher using the smooth talk but what about

00:51:01 the naive the ones who have naive hearts who are being deceived there are millions of people in

00:51:09 our nation and all around the world who when you say Joel Osteen is a false teacher teaching a false

00:51:16 gospel leading millions of people to hell which is a perfectly biblically true statement and a

00:51:22 loving statement for that matter it's not only true but it's a loving statement because the truth

00:51:29 is love the truth is loving and when you make that statement there are millions of people

00:51:35 who get angry with you and distance themselves from you or will charge you criticize you

00:51:43 start making ad hominem attacks towards you and all of a sudden what's the result a division

00:51:50 there's division there's quarreling there's arguing there's bickering but who introduced

00:51:58 that division who created it who sowed the seeds for it the person who's saying that Joel Osteen

00:52:04 is a false teacher no Joel Osteen Joel Osteen is the one who deceived the hearts of the naive

00:52:12 to where now when someone preaches the truth these naive people who've been deceived by

00:52:19 smooth talking Joel Osteen are now being quarrelsome they're the ones being quarrelsome

00:52:24 and Joel Osteen's the one who sowed the seeds of quarrelsomeness that's what the bible would teach

00:52:31 all right I think that that's pretty much all the verses that I want to go through so

00:52:36 let's go ahead and take some questions I see some of what you guys are saying in the chat I'm going

00:52:41 to address some questions directly. Real quick before I do, I want to make an announcement

00:52:46 briefly. Here we go. Let's go ahead and pull it up on the screen so that you guys who are watching

00:52:51 live, you can see this announcement. We've got a graphic prepared. If you're interested, here we

00:52:56 are. If you're interested in sponsoring our upcoming conference, we've been sold out since

00:53:01 December. All right. So we've got 550 people who are registered for our Theonomy and Postmillennialism

00:53:07 Conference. It's happening May 5th, 6th, and 7th this year. So about a month and a half,

00:53:12 May 5th, 6th, and 7th. That's a Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. We've got Dr. James White, Dr. Joe

00:53:18 Boot, Dale Partridge, and myself speaking at the Theonomy and Postmillennialism Conference.

00:53:22 It's already sold out. However, we are looking for sponsors. And I might add, this is a little

00:53:28 bit of a nifty loophole. This is a nice little trick to slip into the conference if you really

00:53:33 wanted to come, but it's too late for you to register, you could come as a sponsor. And what

00:53:39 we're doing with our sponsors is, you know, sometimes there are conferences that have, you

00:53:42 know, 30 different booths, right? Or 50 different booths, a lot of sponsors, right? And they charge

00:53:47 maybe 500 or maybe 750 bucks for each one of these booths for people, you know, for their ministry or

00:53:53 for their company, their business, their organization, their nonprofit, whatever it is, to be able to

00:53:59 advertise at the conference, you know, what, what they're doing. Um, we by design intentionally are

00:54:04 limited to six. We are going to have six sponsors. We already have two and we are looking for four

00:54:09 more. And I know that this is going to fill up quick. We have two already. We're looking for

00:54:14 four more. Now what's the benefit? Uh, the benefit is that all six of our sponsors, one of the

00:54:19 reasons why we're limiting it is that they don't just get to have a booth. They get to have two

00:54:23 tickets. So they'll get two tickets to attend the conference. Um, and they also get to have a booth

00:54:29 for the entirety of the conference that they can man that booth and have all the foot traffic and

00:54:34 talk to 550 people throughout the entirety of the conference. But they also get to publicly from the

00:54:39 stage either before or after one of our main sessions, uh, they will get five minutes to make

00:54:44 their pitch publicly to all 550 people that are there. They'll get to pitch their company or their

00:54:50 ministry their non-profit uh whatever it is however the catch is um that i'm going to be

00:54:57 very particular i want guys who are theologically sound um business is great it can be a for-profit

00:55:05 business but it needs to be a christian business and that doesn't mean that they make crosses and

00:55:09 sell them but i mean a christian business like luther said that you know the you know a christian

00:55:15 cobbler um in making christian shoes it's not that he puts little crosses on on the tongue or

00:55:19 like in and out you know john 3 16 on the bottom of the cup what makes it a christian's shoe is

00:55:25 it's a good shoe and the company is run by christians who believe in the lord jesus christ

00:55:30 and their christian faith influences everything they do including their work ethic their business

00:55:35 integrity and ethics um they they do things well and so you could have a shoe company it could be

00:55:41 whatever but you are a christian a god-fearing christian and you do the kind of work that

00:55:47 reflects that Christianity. It's a good price. It's a fair price. Doesn't, it's not, doesn't

00:55:52 have to be a charity, but it's a fair price and it's a good product or a good service, right?

00:55:57 So that's the business thing. Or if it's a ministry, if it's a, a, a, you know, explicit

00:56:01 Christian ministry that has content and teaching, um, then it's going to have to have good doctrine.

00:56:08 Um, so all you have to do, if you want to do this is you need to just simply go to our conference

00:56:15 page, right? So not right response ministries.com, but go to right response conference.com right

00:56:22 response conference.com. Uh, look over that page. You'll find a lot of details and information

00:56:29 about the conference date, time, place address. But if you scroll down towards the bottom,

00:56:34 one of the things that you'll see is, uh, you'll see a, a tab that says interested in sponsoring

00:56:39 our conference. You click on that and it'll take you to a short form. It's not going to be, you

00:56:44 know 300 questions but a short little form that you can fill out some of the questions give your

00:56:49 answers there it'll immediately notify me personally and then you'll be able to schedule

00:56:54 time to get on the phone with me and we'll talk it through so we're looking for six sponsors we

00:57:00 already have two we need four more but the benefit is that if you align right if you have a like-minded

00:57:07 you know mission if you're similar to us you're a good fit for the conference and this conference

00:57:11 is a good fit for you then you're going to get to have a five minute public pitch in front of

00:57:16 everybody and you're not going to be fishing in a barrel of 550 you know registrations at the

00:57:23 conference but with you know with 30 other different booths and sponsors but there's only

00:57:28 going to be six of you so you're going to get to talk to a lot of people and you're not going to

00:57:33 have to compete with you know a million other sponsors you're going to compete with five other

00:57:36 sponsors, and you get to do a public pitch. So it's a unique opportunity, and I hope that you

00:57:41 guys will take us up on it. One more announcement that I want to make, and then we'll go ahead and

00:57:44 move on. The owner of this company is actually a member in good standing at my church, Covenant

00:57:52 Bible Church. We're located in Georgetown, Texas, about 45 minutes north of Austin. Our church is

00:57:57 Covenant Bible Church website. If you're in central Texas area, you're looking for a church,

00:58:02 covenantbible.org covenantbible.org check it out come check out the church but the owner of this

00:58:09 company is an awesome guy awesome guy faithful member in the church loves jesus loves his wife

00:58:15 loves his kids wants to leave an inheritance to his children's children he wants to do the work

00:58:22 of a christian he wants to get involved in you know all of christ for all of life and so he

00:58:29 started a coffee company and the name of the company company is ranger essentials coffee

00:58:35 ranger essentials coffee the website is ranger essentials coffee.com ranger r-a-n-g-e-r

00:58:45 essentials plural essentials e-s-s-e-n-t-i-a-l-s coffee so ranger essentials coffee.com the way

00:58:58 that I've described it to some of the guys in the church trying to slowly wean my Christian

00:59:03 brothers and sisters off of black rifle coffee. As I say, Ranger Essentials coffee, it's like

00:59:08 black rock coffee, except for conservatives. Because black rock coffee is not for conservatives.

00:59:16 They've given to Act Blue. They've given to Democrat causes. They didn't defend Kyle

00:59:20 Rittenhouse and Second Amendment rights. It's a joke. You look at some of the charges with the

00:59:27 owner of the company and so it's it's um it's not conservative but by golly they're getting

00:59:33 conservatives money um because people think it's conservative right and people don't want to go to

00:59:37 starbucks because they know if i love my wife and kids starbucks hates me which is true it's true

00:59:42 but black rock company or uh is it black rock black rifle black rifle is one thing black rifle

00:59:50 coffee they they're not that conservative um and they're certainly from what i can tell not 0.98

00:59:56 Christian some of the ads they've even put out are lewd and gross and sexually immoral and so 0.80

01:00:04 all that being said if you want to support not just a pseudo neocon conservative coffee company 0.67

01:00:11 like Black Rifle but you want to actually support a Christian and truly biblically theologically

01:00:17 conservative and politically and culturally conservative company and you want to help

01:00:22 somebody who's a member in my church who's wanting to faithfully live out the christian life then you

01:00:27 need to do ranger essentials coffee.com ranger essentials coffee.com

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