The NXR Podcast - BONUS - Pearl Davis Interviews Pastor Joel Webbon ｜ Biblical Patriarchy & Christian Nationalism

00:00:00.000 all right what up guys welcome to the just pearly things youtube channel and welcome to the sit down

00:00:05.800 today i have a man named joel webin look it i first saw you you are one of the few pastors that

00:00:16.580 i have seen that is not pushing this like woke agenda so that's where i initially saw you i

00:00:21.700 think i reacted to one of your videos welcome welcome to the show thanks i'm honored introduce

00:00:28.080 yourself to the people. Yeah. So my name is Joel. My wife is Megan. And then we have four children,

00:00:35.380 Olive and Ruth and Eleanor and then Franklin. We got a boy. And I am in Georgetown, Texas. So

00:00:41.280 about 45 minutes north of the capital, Austin. I always tell people we are close enough to Austin

00:00:46.640 to where you can hop on a toll and work for Elon, but far enough away to where hopefully our police

00:00:50.760 don't get defunded. Austin is terrible. But we're happy to be here. Georgetown is a small quaint

00:00:56.940 town. I pastor a church called Covenant Bible Church, and I'm the president of a social media

00:01:01.360 ministry thing called Right Response Ministries.

00:01:06.500 Right Response Ministries. Okay. So question, you're Baptist, right? Is that correct?

00:01:14.240 Barely Baptist is what I would say, but yeah, technically, yes, I'm Baptist.

00:01:18.520 Okay. What is the difference between that and like, because I grew up Catholic. So what is

00:01:22.300 the difference between that and Catholicism? Yeah, well, really for all Protestants, I mean,

00:01:28.380 a lot of Protestants are completely compromised and out to lunch, but let's say faithful Protestants,

00:01:33.400 if we assume that, the main difference would be the five solas. So Martin Luther, Catholics aren't 0.76

00:01:38.500 a huge fan, I can see why. But those were the five things before you get into the five points 1.00

00:01:43.140 of Calvinism or soteriology, which is just doctrine of salvation, the five solas, sola is the Latin

00:01:48.520 word for alone. So Martin Luther, he coined this idea that it's scripture alone, it's grace alone,

00:01:56.280 it's faith alone, it's Christ alone, and then it's to the glory of God alone. So the big difference

00:02:01.080 between any Protestant, Presbyterian, Anglican, Baptist, the big difference is going to be that

00:02:07.300 word sola or alone. So Catholics in a nutshell, I would say, and I'll just speak frankly, I think

00:02:13.780 that Roman Catholicism is what I would call the plus Christian religion. The plus meaning that 0.68

00:02:19.680 it's scripture plus tradition. So you see within the Council of Trent and different Catholic

00:02:26.100 founding documents that it is two equal streams is the language they use. You have both scripture

00:02:31.760 and tradition. So tradition is not subordinate to scripture, but they're on the same plane.

00:02:37.660 Equal authority in the Catholic church is notorious for saying, well, the church actually

00:02:41.760 gave birth to the scripture. Whereas we would say that Council of Nicaea, you know, early church

00:02:46.660 fathers, that they didn't, that they didn't deem the scripture or give it its weight, but rather

00:02:51.820 simply recognized the word of God. And so anyway, so scripture plus tradition, then they would say

00:02:57.020 grace plus sacraments. Grace is not imputed, accredited to our account through faith alone,

00:03:02.480 but it's infused through, you know, the mass, the Eucharist, through confession, all the seven

00:03:08.520 sacraments that Catholics have. We have two, baptism and the Lord's Supper. And then faith

00:03:13.180 alone, Catholics would say faith plus works. We would say that salvation is not faith plus works,

00:03:18.720 but rather faith equals salvation plus works. So it's faith alone that saves. And if you're

00:03:23.320 really saved, you're going to do good stuff. You're going to obey Jesus. And then it's Christ

00:03:27.540 alone. We would say that Catholics, it's Christ plus saints, Mary and other saints. And then to 0.62

00:03:32.680 the glory of God alone. And we would say just the logical conclusion, if it's grace plus sacraments,

00:03:37.840 faith plus works christ plus saints and it's scripture plus tradition then you can't say that

00:03:42.860 it's to the glory of god alone you have to say it's to the glory of god plus the pope tradition

00:03:48.100 church fathers mary so yeah see i get i get a little um i put it i see both sides somehow

00:03:57.420 because on one hand i see when like i guess from like a catholic's point of view when i i don't

00:04:03.860 know if Baptists fall into this, so you could correct me if I'm wrong. You clearly know more

00:04:08.280 about this stuff than I do. But like when they talk about reading the Bible and then coming to

00:04:14.200 conclusions is like basically what I've gathered from more Protestant churches. I almost feel like

00:04:19.420 that's how sometimes the wokeness gets like in thrusted into a lot of these churches because

00:04:24.680 it's like people coming to their own conclusions. But then I don't know how you can not see what's

00:04:30.640 been going on with the catholic church in the last couple of years no it would be a great argument

00:04:34.600 make you you know make you question it when you're like well if this institution is guided

00:04:39.820 by god why do i have right what who is in charge of this right you're right on its face it would

00:04:45.100 be a great argument uh the counter argument is uh a little guy called the pope who's the wokest

00:04:52.820 woke i mean you know that all the transgender stuff that the catholic church is changing its

00:04:58.180 it's mind on, you know, suddenly after 2000 years, you know, being rooted in a certain position. And

00:05:03.280 so I think the reality is that at the end of the day, you know, I say this, you know, it could

00:05:10.340 apply to Roman Catholicism, but I say it with my Presbyterian brothers, you know, they're like,

00:05:14.560 well, Baptist, you know, you, they hold to local church autonomy. So there's no ecclesiastical

00:05:18.800 authority outside of that one local church. It's easy for one local church if there's no formal

00:05:24.300 authority outside of it to go off the rails. And I always tease them and say, yeah, when Presbyterians

00:05:30.420 go off the rails, the whole denomination goes off the rails. And I think it's the same with

00:05:34.780 Roman Catholicism. In every single realm, the reality is that if society as a whole loses its

00:05:41.720 mind, if the world loses its mind, then it's just going to be one piece of the puzzle at a time

00:05:46.540 compromising or the whole enchilada simultaneously. But at the end of the day,

00:05:51.560 there is, you know, we're talking about polity, forms of governance. There is no single, I believe

00:05:57.920 that one form of polity is correct from a biblical perspective, but there is practically

00:06:02.980 speaking no church polity that is perfectly immune to compromise. Yeah, well, and that's kind of,

00:06:11.520 I mean, that's what we're finding out with the Catholics, because I feel like, especially like 1.00

00:06:16.600 when I talk to like older Catholics, they kind of thought we were immune to a lot of that

00:06:21.480 stuff because we had the institution. My grandma passed away, but I was like, she would be rolling

00:06:27.220 in her grave right now if she saw what was going on. What do you think has contributed to just

00:06:33.940 this general trend across the board of seeing churches get more and more woke?

00:06:38.900 Yeah. So part of it is going back to Protestants, like what you were saying in terms of it would

00:06:45.160 seem on the face that Roman Catholicism would be more immune or less vulnerable to wokeness.

00:06:50.380 um i think there's something true there so part of it i think is um just subjectivism um the idea

00:06:57.520 and protestants i think are more vulnerable um to subjectivism uh the idea of being atomistic

00:07:04.820 individualistic um we don't think of societies and cultures and nations as a whole anymore

00:07:10.740 so for me i you know i'm a unapologetic christian nationalist i'm patriarchal i'm a theonomist we

00:07:18.580 can talk about what that means. I'm post-millennial, you know, lots of things that make lots of people

00:07:22.260 mad. But the point is, you know, as it pertains to this question, everybody thinks that they're

00:07:29.340 an isolated atom. So thinking, you know, like chemistry, you know, we're not molecular anymore.

00:07:35.720 So I think of the family unit is a molecule, right? So like water, it's not just hydrogen,

00:07:40.680 it's, you know, it's H2O. But we've split the molecule. You know, what we've done in science,

00:07:47.120 you know, we, we've now done, you know, uh, in society, the same kind of principle. And so now

00:07:52.320 it's no longer the family. Um, but it's, you know, I was looking over just even my personal family's

00:07:57.680 history and it was, it was 15 minutes ago. It was, we're not talking about thousands of 15 minutes

00:08:03.060 ago, you've got listed families in a town, you know, and it says head of household, there's the

00:08:08.260 man. Right. And everyone was fine with that language. Nobody was losing their minds. Nobody

00:08:13.180 was offended, head of household, whoever, Jim Roger, and it's the husband, it's the father.

00:08:20.800 And now it's not households represented by a head, but it's, I'm my own person. And so when

00:08:28.160 everybody becomes individual and separated from society, separated from churches, separated from

00:08:34.400 families, and all of a sudden meaning and truth, instead of being transcendent and objective and

00:08:41.580 universal. It becomes subjective and interpersonal. And then, yeah, you begin to become meticulously

00:08:48.720 introspective, constantly navel-gazing, looking within, looking to yourself to find meaning.

00:08:55.440 What is navel-gazing?

00:08:57.380 Just looking at my belly button, just obsessed with me. Instead of looking up and looking out,

00:09:03.760 I'm like, wow, look, I have a freckle there. Well, even because I did 12 years of Catholic

00:09:10.020 school and i don't even think they went over like patriarchy at all like i can't i can't if they if

00:09:16.140 they did i don't remember it they it must have been like a quick and it's kind of funny because 0.86

00:09:21.120 you would think the catholics would uh because they're pretty big on the you know uh the idea of

00:09:25.940 the holy father no you know catholics talk i mean the pope you know he's he's you know he's a father

00:09:33.380 you know or priest father you know bless me father for i have sinned like that i mean father language

00:09:37.560 and that's all patriarchy means just for the record the simplest and most accurate definition

00:09:42.160 is father rule that that's that's what i mean that's what patriarchy is is father rule so as

00:09:47.420 from a christian perspective whether you're on the catholic side of the aisle or the protestant

00:09:51.500 side of the aisle wherever you land if you're within the larger banner of you know christianity

00:09:57.360 um patriarchy is is i mean it's nothing to be ashamed of and it's and it's inescapable even

00:10:03.020 if you're not identifying as a Christian, truth is truth. We live, so we would start with the

00:10:08.940 Father, right? Father God. We live in the Father's world and the Father has chosen to bless people,

00:10:16.080 his image-bearing creatures, through human fathers in three primary spheres, which would be familial

00:10:22.140 fathers. That's the biological father in a home, families, through civil fathers, right? That's

00:10:28.080 the state, the civil magistrate, which I believe should be made up of men, qualified men. 0.91

00:10:33.020 and then you also have uh church fathers women shouldn't vote right i do not yeah so i think 0.69

00:10:38.700 the 19th amendment is a serious problem yeah yeah yeah i don't even think we should be in office i'm

00:10:45.560 like what you want to check on her period well and that's what i was saying is speaking about

00:10:49.900 not even the vote but but about the office itself uh isaiah literally says that so the book of isaiah

00:10:55.160 the prophet he says that one of the marks of god's judgment upon a people is that they would

00:10:59.520 be ruled by women and children. Um, and you look at, you know, our, our leaders in the West. Yeah.

00:11:05.880 So in the West today, you like, who are our leaders? Well, they're geriatric, you know, 0.99

00:11:10.060 I mean, they're people who, I don't even know if they're physically alive or if there's like

00:11:13.620 invisible strings, you know, and this person has been dead for six months and they just painted up

00:11:17.500 their corpse. So they're so old they're, they're, you know, they're have dimension barely, you know,

00:11:22.400 functioning, um, or they're children, right. Think Greta Thunberg telling, you know, the whole world

00:11:28.100 what to do when she's 14 years old because she's got a feeling in her heart. Or it's women. It's 1.00

00:11:34.560 not men, but it's Nancy Pelosi and this person and that person. And part of the problem with that,

00:11:39.980 in my assessment, it's not because women are unintelligent or that they have nothing to 1.00

00:11:44.600 contribute. For me, the problem is the way that God designed women. So again, looking at Ezekiel 1.00

00:11:51.780 and other Old Testament books of the Bible, when it describes civil rulers or describes Rome

00:11:57.200 you know, and, and, uh, emperors and it describes them with a allegorical language of a bear or a

00:12:03.540 lion. They have claws and sharp teeth. Uh, whereas a woman, that's not her nature and it's not

00:12:09.560 supposed to be, um, her nature is supposed to be warm, embracive, hospitable, nurturing. So I think

00:12:15.760 a great example would be, uh, Kentucky, uh, Brown Jackson. So, you know, when, when she was being 0.60

00:12:21.100 interviewed and they were pressing on her and asking questions about her, you know, the Supreme

00:12:26.440 court, uh, Supreme court justice, the most recent one that was appointed. They're going to roast me

00:12:31.360 for not knowing this. No, it's fine. It's fine. But the most recent Supreme court justice, you

00:12:36.400 know, appointee who was a black woman. So it's like, well, I mean, her qualifications don't

00:12:41.860 really seem to matter. It seems like we were just going for a stereotype and fill in the slot. And

00:12:46.580 so, but when they were pushing on her, one of the things that the big objections that was coming

00:12:50.920 from, you know, uh, Republicans and guys on the right was you've been soft on crime in particular,

00:12:57.020 um, the crime of pedophilia, uh, that, that she had served as a judge, uh, for many years and had,

00:13:04.800 you know, multiple cases where there's a man, uh, who was proven to be guilty beyond reasonable

00:13:11.480 doubt in a court of law, uh, for, for abusing sexually abusing children. Um, and, and her,

00:13:19.300 you know she would always give or at least there were multiple times i shouldn't say always because

00:13:23.680 i don't know every single case but there were proven multiple cases where she gave like the

00:13:27.440 lightest sentence possible and and what i would say is you know that is kind of the nature of a

00:13:33.920 woman she's she's looking and saying oh this guy i bet he had a bad mom you know he's maybe he had

00:13:39.200 a rough life and i would say that is a great disposition in a home as a mother with a four

00:13:44.700 year old that's that's what you want if you're four you know but um but in a court of law as a

00:13:51.080 civil ruler um you want a man who will say you did what with kids let's get some rope find a tree

00:13:58.160 hang them like that's what men do and and that's good you need both you need women and you need

00:14:05.380 men right well and that's like and that's when like it's like when you get red pilled you almost 0.91

00:14:12.220 start to see that all of these women are in positions even in like corporate america even

00:14:16.780 outside of like just because we're women not because we actually like deserve the positions

00:14:22.340 and so it's like we almost like think we're more important and special and doing more than we are 0.96

00:14:28.040 because they're giving us these like stupid quotas um and and that's what i realized it in 0.96

00:14:33.480 like women's basketball um where they basically take money from the men and give it to the women 0.95

00:14:39.180 and i'm like they do that with us for everything i bet and then like all the yeah um but i don't

00:14:46.900 know i just it's so interesting to see it like translate into the churches because you'd always

00:14:54.060 think like the churches were immune from this stuff right they are not not even close well so

00:15:00.700 within the church world you know everything's you know well you would hope that everything would

00:15:04.640 have some kind of theological reasoning we're going to do this because the bible says that

00:15:08.560 and in my experience so so again and this would pertain to both catholics and protestants

00:15:14.240 uh the term is complementarianism uh that usually is used uh to define that and this would be the

00:15:20.860 conservative position which i would say is is not that conservative and and i don't really like it

00:15:26.080 i don't think that it's faithful i don't think it's biblical but complementarianism think

00:15:29.440 complement right so two things that are different right you don't complement uh calamari with a

00:15:34.820 plate of calamari. Um, you might like calamari and so you want double and that's great, but that

00:15:39.900 wouldn't be, you know, compliment, uh, to compliment calamari, you have something that's

00:15:44.140 distinct, it's separate, um, but it goes well with it, right? So a glass of, you know, chilled

00:15:49.540 white Riesling wine or whatever, you know, to compliment, you know, or marinara sauce, you know,

00:15:54.200 something to compliment it. It's distinct, uh, but they work well together. So complementarianism

00:15:58.980 was the theological term. It was coined by Wayne Grudem and John Piper, who were two pastors and

00:16:04.500 theologians, but it wasn't coined until 1988. So very, you know, kind of 15 minutes ago situation,

00:16:10.360 very recent. And the idea of complementarianism is that men and women are different, but they

00:16:14.560 work well together, hand and glove, you know, they work in tandem, work in concert. But what

00:16:19.380 happened, and this wasn't so much John Piper and Wayne Grudem, to be fair to those guys,

00:16:23.740 but what happened is it was quickly hijacked by other people. And it became a halfway house

00:16:29.720 between egalitarianism and patriarchy and so egalitarianism everybody's equal everybody's the

00:16:35.520 same that can apply to gender that can apply to uh class you know and economic uh different you

00:16:41.600 know different levels you know everyone's the same um and so then that's the heart of wokeness is

00:16:46.780 this egalitarian neo-marxist idea so complementarianism was basically the patriarchal

00:16:52.840 guys were saying we know this is biblical we know it's right but feminism has crept into the world

00:16:58.180 and not only the world, but the church and everybody starting to go left going towards

00:17:02.480 feminism and egalitarianism. So we're going to head them off like Gandalf, you know, on the bridge,

00:17:07.320 you shall not pass, you know, and, and, uh, but in doing so they, instead of saying, stay here,

00:17:12.260 it's good. It's right. It's true. Uh, they said, well, we'll, we'll go, we'll, we'll concede and

00:17:16.620 we'll compromise with you in part, but can you at least stay here? And so complementarianism came in

00:17:21.780 and this is what theologians, the more liberal ones, not Piper and Grudem so much, but what they

00:17:27.100 did was they said, well, complementarianism means that God has assigned to men and women

00:17:32.040 differing roles. But what they did is they took the distinction of roles of men and women and

00:17:39.320 they hung it in midair. They made it arbitrary. So it would be like this. So think of fish and

00:17:44.720 birds. It's like, well, God decided in creation that birds would fly and fish would swim just

00:17:50.480 because. It's like, but don't you think it has something to do with the fact of the way that

00:17:55.880 he made them, their design, not just their assigning of roles, but their nature, like

00:18:00.940 that fish are called to swim, sure, but don't you think it might be because they have gills

00:18:05.680 and fins and scales and birds are called to fly, sure, but maybe the hollow bone structure

00:18:11.340 and the feathers and the wings have something to do with it, and so that's what happened

00:18:15.060 with men and women is, well, they're called to different things, but it's not because

00:18:18.960 they have different natures, it's arbitrary, it's arbitrary, they're just called to different

00:18:23.520 rolls because god likes it and it works well together but it's not really stemming from their

00:18:28.020 design so then you have this mindset of the woman saying anything you can do i can do better i can

00:18:34.000 do anything better than you but i won't because i'm not called to it which quickly becomes i will

00:18:39.620 you know so yeah well and then oh that makes a lot of sense so basically they were they were

00:18:46.700 trying to explain it in a different way but then it got hijacked by the people that are egalitarian

00:18:52.160 yes and then basically that's that's how because i would hear the i can't submit to my husband

00:18:58.840 unless he submits to god have you heard that yeah i've heard that which i guess it's like it's true

00:19:04.400 in in a way but i i use i hear it more of as used in like a way they want to control their husbands

00:19:11.000 have you heard that or no yeah definitely that's i mean that's what what complementarianism

00:19:15.740 essentially did in terms of a wife's submission to her husband is it it essentially said first

00:19:21.660 and foremost, the husband's authority became, um, the last line of defense. Uh, so meaning

00:19:29.280 non-existent, uh, functionally it's non-existent. So what it became was, um, you know, complimentary

00:19:35.900 so that guys are trying to hold onto their biblical card, right? Cause they don't want 0.99

00:19:39.500 to just publicly come out and say, yeah, I'm, I'm a lib and I don't care about the Bible and I'm

00:19:43.640 woke. So guys are still, you know, they're pretending a conservative, biblically faithful

00:19:48.340 position. So they're like, oh, we're not egalitarian. We're not feminists. We're

00:19:52.040 complementarian. But we just don't want to use the word patriarchy because it has stigma attached

00:19:56.320 to it and it's going to unnecessarily push people away. So we're complementarian. This term that,

00:20:00.280 you know, was coined in 1988, you know, very, very recently. And they'll say, yeah, the husband

00:20:04.520 does have authority over his wife. He's the head of his wife. That's Ephesians 5 as Christ is head 0.96

00:20:09.920 of the church. But in a healthy marriage with a good husband, number one, he's going to lead his

00:20:16.800 wife, not just command her, but he's going to inspire her and lead her and shape her and

00:20:21.400 encourage her to where she's going to be agreeing with him most of the time because he's a great

00:20:26.000 leader. And if she's disagreeing, it's probably because he's a bad leader. And if she ever

00:20:31.280 disagrees in a healthy marriage, there'll be little disagreement. And when there is disagreement,

00:20:35.380 he doesn't just pull the I'm in charge card, the authority card. Instead, they should pause and

00:20:41.420 pray and fast and consider and this and that. And if they can't get on the same page, even after

00:20:46.860 pausing and prayer, then they should go to the elders of the church and the elders of the church

00:20:51.080 are probably going to take her side and most churches. So they're going to go to the elders

00:20:54.820 of the church and they're going to weigh in as a third party and overrule the husband's authority 0.59

00:20:58.980 in his own home and side with the wife. And if the elders in a very rare case, which never happens,

00:21:04.800 if the elders were to say, well, actually it's 50-50, a perfect even split. You could go either

00:21:09.920 way. Maybe he's right. Maybe she's right. So they disagree. They seek the Lord in prayer,

00:21:15.380 still disagree, seek the elders of the church. And it's a perfect split. You could go either way.

00:21:20.820 Then, and in that case only, then the husband gets the tiebreaker. And in a healthy marriage

00:21:27.160 where there's not a ton of conflict, the husband, that scenario where he gets the tiebreaker will

00:21:31.920 probably occur over the course of a 50-year marriage, maybe three times. And that's the

00:21:36.720 authority of a husband, which is to say the authority of the husband is nothing.

00:21:43.280 And so how do you, so how do you guys count? Do you guys counsel couples in your church?

00:21:48.680 Like how do you do it differently? If they ask for it, of course. Yeah.

00:21:51.280 How do you guys do it differently? Um, well, for one, I'm patriarchal. So

00:21:56.500 I believe that the husband actually has authority over his wife. So when I'm stepping into, um, 0.84

00:22:02.180 a marriage into a home. First, I want to have a sound biblical understanding of jurisdictions,

00:22:09.920 right? So in the same way, you know, part of my problem with COVID and all that, you know,

00:22:12.820 the branch COVIDian crap was, you know, that, well, wait a second. The state does not have

00:22:20.340 jurisdiction in these areas, in these spheres of the church or in free markets, you know,

00:22:27.960 with businesses and this and that, or families and homes. You have to stay in your lane. And

00:22:32.720 it's the same with pastors. So a governing official in the civil realm doesn't have authority

00:22:39.380 to do whatever they want in every other realm. So too, a pastor, he has ecclesiastical authority

00:22:45.620 in the church. And certainly the church is made up of families and he's going to be preaching and

00:22:51.460 he's going to be counseling and all those kinds of things. But he has to be very careful of what

00:22:56.300 authority does he actually have? So if I step into a marriage because I've been invited in

00:23:01.880 to provide counsel, I'm going to be really careful in what I, you know, the best way I could say it

00:23:08.060 is distinguishing the authority of counsel versus the authority of command. I'm going to counsel

00:23:12.760 and at times counsel strongly. I really think you would do well and be wise to consider X, Y, Z.

00:23:19.980 Or if it's something that's clear in scripture, like the husband is beating his wife, God forbid,

00:23:26.300 I'm not going to counsel and say, I really think you should stop. I'm going to say you must stop

00:23:30.600 beating your wife. And we also are going, because this is like a Venn diagram. In this case, 0.78

00:23:36.540 spheres overlap. This is a familial issue in the family sphere, an ecclesiastical issue as members

00:23:42.940 in our church, and it's a civil issue. I'm going to have to inform civil authorities. However,

00:23:49.080 if it's not something that's so cut and dry, I'm going to give not the authority of a command,

00:23:54.200 but the authority of counsel. But at the end of the day, the husband actually has the command.

00:23:59.440 He actually has the authority. And I'm going to also be really careful. I think this is something

00:24:04.520 that our whole world with Me Too, you might as well call it church too, because the church has

00:24:10.220 bought into the Me Too movement, hook, line, and sinker. And here's the thing about the church.

00:24:14.120 The church has not led the way in society for decades, sadly. So the church is actually always

00:24:21.440 behind the wokest place on earth. I believe, I truly believe the wokest place on earth right

00:24:26.300 now is the church. Uh, the reason why is because I think, well, cause the world, even, even

00:24:34.340 colleges, the world is already realizing, Oh, that was, that was a mistake. Yeah. I mean, SNL,

00:24:40.260 you watch, you watch SNL. I mean, nobody should watch SNL, but if you did, uh, they're even

00:24:44.580 backtracking and doing skits that are kind of like, yeah, maybe the woke thing's kind of dumb. 0.53

00:24:49.580 Like at every level, I think people are coming off of wokeness, coming off of some of these

00:24:55.500 things.

00:24:55.780 But the problem is the church is always five years behind.

00:24:57.940 So the church might've been woke last, and even that would be hard to substantiate.

00:25:02.560 But let's just assume the church was woke last.

00:25:04.860 Society's woke first, church is woke last.

00:25:07.440 Well, the church will stay woke about five years after society has already realized it's

00:25:11.460 a bad idea because the church is not influential.

00:25:13.980 It's too compromised, unfortunately.

00:25:15.580 It has not been leading the way, leading the culture for a very long time.

00:25:19.620 So all that being said, my point is just that with wokeness and with me too, that's how

00:25:25.020 I was getting there.

00:25:25.960 If a woman comes to a pastor and says, this happened biblically, the Bible addresses this.

00:25:31.600 We have clear verses in scripture, especially in the Old Testament, that should be viewed

00:25:35.920 as case law.

00:25:37.060 That means it needs to be not just dropped wholesale, a one-to-one ratio in our society

00:25:41.400 today, but you extract from this Old Testament law with Israel, the general equity, the general

00:25:47.260 principles there. And then you seek with prudence to apply it in a relevant, applicable way in our

00:25:54.060 society today. And one of those laws is about victims, or I should say alleged victims. If an

00:26:00.560 alleged victim comes and says, this thing happened, you do not immediately assume that that thing

00:26:06.980 actually happened. That the reality is that in our culture, we assume that the first person to

00:26:12.840 voice a grievance is the victim. When it is entirely possible that the person who this

00:26:18.760 grievance is being voiced about, if that person's lying, that's the true victim, the person who's

00:26:24.360 being lied against. And so I go into a situation, you know, pastorally, and I don't go in with my

00:26:32.260 mind already made up that, you know, a woman cried. I remember my dad taught me this when I

00:26:36.880 was a young boy, I made a girl cry. Um, not, I didn't touch her or anything like that. I just,

00:26:42.600 you know, I said something to her that, that offended her. What'd you say? I'll come back

00:26:47.200 to that. I'm willing to answer, but I, you know, I said something and, and it made her cry. And

00:26:51.960 she told, you know, some of the leaders in the church and my dad was the pastor. And so my dad's

00:26:57.380 kind of getting pressure. The pastor's son is making girls cry. And I remember he sat me down

00:27:02.980 privately and I told him, but dad, this is what I said. And it was true and blah, blah, blah. And he

00:27:06.920 said, well, let's be careful how we say it and this and that. And I was like, I feel like I was

00:27:10.220 and I'll try and okay, dad. And he was like, all right, son, I love you. And my dad's a great dad.

00:27:16.260 And he was like, I love you. And a lesson just for the future. He said, you just need to know

00:27:21.020 that in our current world, if a woman cries, she wins always. And you just need to know that if 0.99

00:27:27.940 you're going to have any chance as a man in life, you just need to know that this is the world we

00:27:33.140 live in. And you're going to have to be shrewd, not compromised, not cowardly, but strategic.

00:27:40.600 You're going to have to be wise. So what I said was basically there were rumors in our high school

00:27:46.000 that this woman had done something, I don't want to be overly specific, but had done some things

00:27:51.400 that are unbiblical, that would be immoral, that would be bad. And I had talked to her

00:27:58.480 with another girl, it was youth group, we were teenagers, and said, hey, everybody knows that

00:28:06.660 you're in our church and you're in our youth group and they're saying these things about you

00:28:10.320 and is it true? And she was like, yes. And I was like, I think you need to say something and admit

00:28:15.340 this is wrong and and and you know because it's giving our church and it's giving christ

00:28:19.800 a bad name it makes jesus look bad yeah um and and the you know the takeaway from for her was

00:28:27.320 how could you um how could you correct me you know and so well but and um i always say like if um

00:28:35.200 and i don't know about baptist in particular but i always say if like the church really had wives

00:28:40.200 like that their men would be lined up to go to church but the problem is like exactly what you're

00:28:45.260 talking about like the general consensus i've gotten from guys is that they go to church and

00:28:50.380 find worse quality women um because it's like they go there to feel better after they've lived a life

00:28:56.220 of sin basically okay um there's probably some truth i don't know yeah like especially in like 0.90

00:29:02.280 some of the like non like i've heard this about um what is it evangelical yeah evangelical and i

00:29:09.520 just just so you know so it's all right so if you think you know catholic and protestant

00:29:14.500 Underneath the Protestant banner, you would have mainline Protestant denomination, Episcopalian, Anglican, and then evangelical would be a subgroup of Protestant.

00:29:23.280 Baptist would be a subgroup of evangelical.

00:29:25.300 So I am technically an evangelical.

00:29:27.120 I pick on evangelicals regularly because they need it. 0.98

00:29:29.720 There's a lot of problems. 1.00

00:29:31.280 But I am technically an evangelical.

00:29:34.380 So you're right.

00:29:35.400 I think, you know, to put a little bit more fine point on it, the type of evangelical church I think that is like that is your very seeker-friendly, you know, kind of trying to, you know, attractional church.

00:29:51.480 It's not a church with a robust liturgy.

00:29:53.620 It's not a church with, you know, with traditions.

00:29:55.500 It's not a church that's preaching bold truth.

00:29:57.920 It's a church that has a rock concert and smoke machines, you know, and laser lights.

00:30:01.940 I just went to a church like that.

00:30:05.000 Yeah.

00:30:05.200 and it was so weird it was oh my gosh it was so weird and it's nothing against them they were

00:30:10.740 like very nice but i'm sure they were i was like i was i was like what on earth is this there's a

00:30:15.620 whole band on the front i'm i'm catholic so it's like this is very there's like um uh cameras

00:30:24.080 everywhere and then they'd lay hands on people and they'd like fall down i was like what is this

00:30:28.660 i have never seen this in my life familiar with that yeah oh wait really we don't do that but i

00:30:34.280 have i i know what you're talking about um so anyways but yeah so the charismatic is kind of

00:30:40.060 what you're describing so the laying on of hands is is a biblical principle even within you know

00:30:44.080 catholicism there would be a laying on of hands for certain blessings and certain rituals and

00:30:48.020 ordination those kinds of things i have never seen it like that i'll say yeah yeah but the falling

00:30:53.280 over charismatics would call that slain in the spirit uh that the holy spirit has like slayed

00:30:59.440 you you've just you know you know you're just overwhelmed by the love of god the power of god

00:31:04.280 whatever it might be but in a charismatic kind of circle that's big on you know falling over and

00:31:10.660 you know or speaking in tongues you know or and then tends to follow with a charismatic you know

00:31:15.900 guys you know the rock concert kind of thing and the sermon tends to be more of a ted talk

00:31:20.680 you know and or it's not even a sermon it's a guy he's sitting at a coffee table he won't even stand

00:31:25.640 up, you know, he's sitting at a coffee table. He's got his iPad instead of a Bible and a warm

00:31:30.320 cup of coffee. Uh, and, and I, I'm not going to preach at you. I'm just going to share. And he

00:31:35.160 just shares, he's very relatable and, and he sounds humble, but everything's about him. So

00:31:40.260 it's actually really prideful. Um, you know, and in that kind of environment, uh, sure. Uh, the

00:31:46.400 idea that there could be a lot of women there who are trying to clean up their lives, who are coming 1.00

00:31:51.540 from, you know, seven years going to the club or whatever it might be. That totally makes sense 1.00

00:31:56.540 because that church, even with their music and stuff like that, it kind of resembles the club

00:32:01.480 that they came from, you know, the way people dress even at church, right? People aren't, you

00:32:05.900 know, they're not dressing modestly, you know? And so, and that would make sense that in that

00:32:10.700 environment, a Hillsong would be an example, you know, or Elevation would be, these are big,

00:32:16.320 charismatic seeker-friendly churches but in that environment uh to say that and again i won't say

00:32:21.980 everyone because i'm not omniscient don't know but to say that there might be a large a large 0.65

00:32:26.860 percentage of both men and women coming from sinful past trying to clean up their life you

00:32:33.100 know but have been very worldly very vain um it's it's perfectly reasonable i think that's i think

00:32:39.400 that's likely however um if we're saying the church at large in general i would like to think

00:32:45.440 that if you're going to a sound, solid biblical church, that you are going to find both men and

00:32:51.800 women who are genuine. They're not perfect. They're sinners. We're all sinners, but that

00:32:59.740 are genuine. And there are a lot of women, I think, in sound, conservative, traditional churches,

00:33:08.380 Presbyterian and Baptist and Anglican and this, that, and the other that were raised the right

00:33:13.720 way, have not been promiscuous, who have lived chaste lives. And there are women who genuinely

00:33:20.580 want to marry a godly man and want to submit to him. And my wife is an example of that. I have

00:33:26.460 an awesome wife. She loves God. She loves Jesus. She loves me. And she seeks to follow my leadership 1.00

00:33:33.440 and I seek to lead her lovingly. And I'm not trying to just domineer over my wife, but I do

00:33:39.340 have authority in my home? And whenever I talk about it, I regularly upset women and they think, 0.99

00:33:45.000 oh, that terrible man, his poor wife and children, they're probably...

00:33:49.140 That was my next question. Do you get a lot of pushback for these opinions?

00:33:54.120 Yeah. So I had a video that went semi-viral. It's maybe not the viral standard for Pearl,

00:33:59.180 but for the Joel level of viral. But basically it was a clip. Somebody took out a clip of one

00:34:06.020 of my sermons where I was talking about authority and I was talking about different spheres so that,

00:34:10.560 you know, the state, the church, and the home. And I got to the home and I said,

00:34:14.980 at the level of the state, civil magistrates, those in civil authority, their authority is a

00:34:20.420 mile wide, but it's only about an inch deep. The state does not have that much authority

00:34:24.660 to tell people what to do. Get out of our business. You have some authority, but it's very

00:34:30.480 limited. Your jurisdiction is small. The scope, you know, if it's USA, 330 million people are

00:34:37.620 under your authority, but your authority is an inch deep. The church, I think there's more

00:34:41.380 authority, but a smaller scope. So greater degree of authority for church leaders, but a smaller

00:34:46.120 scope. And then I said, the family is the smallest scope, but a massive degree of authority. And I

00:34:53.520 says, for instance, I have authority over five individuals, my wife and four children, but the

00:34:58.440 authority that I have is a massive level of authority. And so then I said, and I gave examples,

00:35:05.140 this is where I get in trouble because I try to be helpful. And so I give, you know, not just in

00:35:08.620 theory, but in practice. So I said, you know, with my children, I said, for instance, with my

00:35:12.220 children, I have the authority over what they eat, what they wear, even when they go to the bathroom.

00:35:17.860 Now, my children are at the time, we're five, three, two, and zero, their ages. So what I'm

00:35:24.780 talking about is, yeah, I tell my young children, hey, go potty before you put on your jammies and

00:35:29.880 get in bed. We need to go potty. Did you go potty? Like I, you know, I have that authority. I wasn't

00:35:34.060 saying my 17 year old, I tell him it's 415. Yeah. You know, so, but of course people interpret it

00:35:40.200 that way because people hate me because they're feminist and I'm talking about Christians. They 0.98

00:35:44.380 are feminist and they worship women instead of Christ. And so anybody who, you know, adheres to 0.94

00:35:50.560 biblical patriarchy whatsoever, they're going to try to destroy him and they don't care if they're

00:35:53.500 twisting his words. But then I got to my wife and I said, the example I gave with my wife is I said,

00:35:57.880 in the case of my wife, for instance, here's an example. One day I was coming back from work

00:36:02.820 and walked in the house and I saw that she was reading a book. And I said, women shouldn't be 1.00

00:36:07.740 able to read. No, I'm just kidding. I didn't say that. But I said, she was reading a book and it 1.00

00:36:11.920 was on infant baptism, baptizing babies, pedo-baptism. And I'm a Baptist, I'm a credo-Baptist.

00:36:17.680 So I think baptism follows a credible profession of faith. You wait, essentially, that's the

00:36:22.480 nutshell. And I said, Hey babe, don't read that. No. And I said, um, those are, we want to believe

00:36:29.840 what's true, whether we hold to it now or not. If we don't hold to the truth, we want to change

00:36:34.120 and hold to the truth. But I don't want my wife, this is what I told her. I don't want my wife

00:36:38.480 being convinced when she's married to a Baptist pastor going to a Baptist church. I don't want

00:36:43.420 her being convinced of, of infant baptism and that being just a, an opportunity, a wedge for

00:36:49.760 there to be contention in our marriage and division within our church. And so I said,

00:36:54.340 put down that book. We're not going to read that right now. We will read it together when I have

00:36:59.540 time and we'll work through it together. And I said this in a sermon, giving this, I said it in

00:37:04.120 my marriage, but then I said it in a sermon, giving this example, and it got 750, like close

00:37:09.680 to a million views. And it was all Christians who are complementarian. Most of them would say,

00:37:14.820 oh, I'm complementarian. Men have authority in their home. They don't believe that. They don't 0.99

00:37:19.100 believe that. And so they went semi-viral and they spread it around and everybody, a ton of people

00:37:24.700 stopped following me and said, he's a monster. He won't let his wife read. Whereas like, yeah,

00:37:30.460 that is correct. Here's the deal. You guys all say that you're not feminist. I'm talking about

00:37:36.320 church people. You say that you believe the Bible, that you're not feminist. And you'll say, oh, 0.80

00:37:40.380 the husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of the church. But here's what you'll

00:37:43.900 never do. You'll never, ever give a practical example of it. So you always keep it out in the

00:37:50.380 17th dimension of theory. Oh yes, the husband is the head of his wife, like Christ is the head of 0.73

00:37:55.180 the church. But if any guy ever gave an example of actually using that authority, you would always 0.69

00:38:02.460 disagree with it, no matter what the example was. So just be honest and say, I actually don't

00:38:07.340 believe the husband has authority. I'm a raging feminist, just like the purple haired freak. I 0.80

00:38:12.420 just call it complementarianism so i can keep my biblical card but at the end of the day 0.75

00:38:16.420 i worship women just just be honest we could move on well yeah because how how do they respond when

00:38:25.180 you use your authority by saying no that's the real question it's all it's all fun and dandy

00:38:30.320 when you agree but when you disagree i think that's when you see who actually believes what

00:38:36.060 they say they believe but the person who didn't have a problem just for the record

00:38:39.500 with this whole thing was my wife my wife loves me she you know and to be fair my local church

00:38:45.580 my local church you can even hear on the recording they're laughing yeah because yeah because they

00:38:50.580 agree they get it they get it they know me they know that my wife is not being you know she's not

00:38:56.720 locked in a dungeon in our home like they're like yeah that's that's a good example and the way that

00:39:00.720 i told it i was being humorous with the example it was true i was being you know uh truthful but

00:39:05.240 saying, you know, I, Hey, no baby, we're not becoming pedo Baptist. Uh, you know, like we'll

00:39:09.800 wait, read that book together. And it was, it was funny. It was also true and it was applicable. It

00:39:14.680 was helpful to demonstrate. Here's a practical example of how a husband actually has authority

00:39:19.320 in, in his marriage. And my wife was fine. My church was fine. Um, but most Christians were

00:39:26.000 not fine. They were enraged. Yeah. Because they'll, they'll say that she's like being abused, 0.97

00:39:33.580 but she doesn't even know it right what do they say like stockholm syndrome yeah yeah something

00:39:39.380 like that um you mentioned earlier and i'm probably gonna say this wrong but i wrote it down

00:39:46.020 theonomist yeah theonomist theonomy what is what is what does that mean all it means it's so like

00:39:52.200 patriarchy father rule theonomy god's law so as a theonomist um i would be a general equity

00:39:59.320 theonomist, it's complicated, but to simplify it, I believe that God's law should be the law of the

00:40:06.940 land. So I believe that God's law is good and right and true and immutable, unchanging. It was

00:40:11.940 good. If it was ever good, it's always good that society doesn't get to determine morality,

00:40:17.600 that morality is transcendent. It's unchanging, it's universal. And so as a theonomist, I would

00:40:22.900 say that, you know, three kind of classifications or categorizations of God's law, particularly in

00:40:28.580 the Old Testament would be God's moral law, his civil law, and his ceremonial law. So the moral

00:40:34.400 law would be summarized most acutely in the Decalogue. That's the Ten Commandments. So Exodus

00:40:40.980 20, Ten Commandments, have no other gods before me. Do not make any graven images. Don't take the

00:40:45.980 Lord's name in vain. Remember the Sabbath, keep it holy. Honor your father and mother. Don't kill

00:40:50.280 or don't murder. Do not commit adultery. Don't steal. Don't lie. Bear false witness and do not

00:40:55.740 covet. So I would say that's the summary of moral law and that's transcendent. It's not just for

00:41:02.220 the Old Testament. It's not just for Israel. It's not just for these people at this time in this

00:41:06.720 place. It's for all people, whether you're a Christian or not. It is for all people. God

00:41:11.080 issues his law, not just to Christian people, his people, but to all people because he is not a 0.71

00:41:18.780 universal father. We're not all God's children. That's the whole idea of the Christian faith is

00:41:22.900 it. You're adopted. You become a child of God. Jesus said in John chapter eight of the Pharisees, 0.75

00:41:27.840 he said, you're not children of God. The devil is your daddy. You're children of the devil 0.67

00:41:32.740 because children always bear a striking resemblance to their fathers. You look just 0.99

00:41:36.740 like the devil. He was a murderer. He's a liar. And here you are, you're liars and you're trying 1.00

00:41:40.280 to murder me. So you are the spawn of Satan, literally. In words of Jesus, John chapter eight, 1.00

00:41:45.480 Jesus is my favorite preacher. He gets it. So we're not all children of God. We always say,

00:41:51.000 we're all God's children. No, you become a child of God through faith in Christ. If you don't have

00:41:56.140 faith in Jesus, Jesus said, no one knows the father, but the son and those he chooses to

00:42:00.960 reveal him to. If you don't know Jesus, you don't know God. You're Hindu? You don't know God. You're

00:42:07.100 Muslim? You don't know God. If you're a Jew, you don't know God. Does that mean you don't believe 1.00

00:42:12.940 in a separation of church and state? So great question. Theocracy is the idea of that there

00:42:19.980 is a God above the state. And I would say theocracy is inescapable. It's not whether but

00:42:25.080 which. So every state has a reigning orthodoxy, a dogma and a theos, a God. And it's not whether

00:42:34.220 but which. So it's either the Christian God or it's going to be, so it's going to be Christian 0.99

00:42:37.760 nationalism, which I prescribe to, or Hindu nationalism, Muslim nationalism, or the state

00:42:44.480 itself. Well, we don't believe in any God. We're very sophisticated and developed. Great. Then the

00:42:48.980 state becomes God, which is what we've seen for the last three years with COVID and BLM. So that's

00:42:53.620 just state-ism, but it's still a God. And there's always, here's the thing, there's always going to

00:42:57.560 be blasphemy laws. There's things that you can't say. In Germany, if I say that, you know, I think

00:43:02.600 the history has been embellished. I think it was 5,990,000 Jews rather than 6 million, you go to

00:43:09.840 jail, right? So there's an orthodoxy, there is a dogma and you're not allowed to blaspheme.

00:43:14.580 so yeah i know i know exactly what that is um wait so question then so i kind of i've heard

00:43:23.280 this idea before like basically there's a natural order in the world it would go god government men

00:43:29.300 women children essentially um some people think that government should be in that mix some people

00:43:35.560 don't i'm assuming you would say yes i think i think it goes god so i would not say god is is

00:43:41.960 top and then government and then church. And I don't think it works like that. I think there

00:43:47.360 are three human governments, three human governments that God instituted. They're God's

00:43:53.140 idea and they're biblical. And that is the home, the church, and the state. And technically you

00:43:57.820 could say four and say self-government. Self-government would be biblically supported

00:44:01.940 by just the idea of the fruit of the spirit, which is self-control, right? That you can lead

00:44:07.020 yourself in a healthy manner. So you could say four, but for all intents and purposes, let's say

00:44:10.980 three, if we're talking beyond just one person. So family, church, and state, and they're not

00:44:17.240 over one. It's not a hierarchy. Oh, so you don't believe it's a hierarchy?

00:44:21.480 No, it's not a hierarchy. It's an equal plane, like a Venn diagram, and there are instances

00:44:27.180 where there's an overlap in jurisdiction, where the civil government, with its God-given duties

00:44:34.520 and responsibilities, has a vested interest in something going on in the home. For instance,

00:44:38.820 if parents are abusing their children, physically abusing their children, then the state is like,

00:44:44.620 well, this is just the sphere of our family. This is the family government. Well, I'm sorry,

00:44:49.440 but you have lost your privileges and your rights. And so the state might step in. And if

00:44:53.960 that family are members in a local church, the pastors should be stepping in. So there are

00:44:58.200 overlap examples that can be given, but you have three autonomous, so some overlap, but generally

00:45:04.140 three autonomous spheres which are all governments the family government it has a head it has

00:45:11.320 authority the church government it has leaders it has authority and the state government all three

00:45:16.120 not a hierarchy but an equal plane and all under god so back to your question about theocracy

00:45:20.460 what i i am i i hold to theocracy and i want it to be a christian theocracy and so yeah yeah that's

00:45:28.320 it uh-huh so so i your voice went up a little bit does that mean no no no it's no no it's good

00:45:33.620 it's good but uh but as a venn diagram i would i wouldn't have the lines i would just draw three

00:45:37.580 circles that overlap a little bit do you see what i'm saying okay you know what i mean but

00:45:42.120 i don't mean oh i get it the three ones oh like the olympic triangle okay right exactly so but

00:45:49.340 all that being said back real quick the theocracy thing so you asked are you you want the church

00:45:53.740 and state to be connected no that would be an ecclesiocracy so an ecclesiocracy would be the

00:45:59.240 church running the state or the other way around statism where the state runs the church so i

00:46:05.200 believe biblically um i believe in the separation of church and state here's what i don't believe

00:46:11.460 in the separation of christ and state jesus is the head of the church and i believe that jesus

00:46:17.420 is also the head of the state he's king of kings like lord of lords have we ever stopped and asked

00:46:22.800 the question who are these these lords and kings that he's king over and lord over

00:46:26.360 so question would you then not let could other people practice their religion in like this

00:46:34.440 um did you is it a theocracy or yeah it's a theocracy some of these words are new no it's

00:46:40.580 okay yes it is a theocracy so you're saying you have a government that has a that has explicitly

00:46:46.400 acknowledged a god above it and of course in my ideal society that would be the triune god

00:46:53.300 the Christian God. So you would have a Christian nation with a Christian government. I don't want

00:46:58.160 to change the constitution for the record. I would like to see an adoption like Zambia has done

00:47:03.960 recently of a distinctly Christian preamble that doesn't just say God, but actually says the

00:47:10.640 triune God, Christ Jesus. So I'd like to see an adoption of a Christian preamble. I'd like to see

00:47:17.400 that. The first 10 amendments I think are good. I'd like to get back to authorial intent on the

00:47:22.980 first, that it's not polytheism. Oh, we'll have a little bit of Buddhism and Hinduism and Islam

00:47:28.340 and atheism and Talmudic Judaism and Christianity. No, it's multiple denominations of our common

00:47:35.900 Lord. I don't believe that the founders were thinking polytheism. I think they were thinking,

00:47:40.260 let's not be like England was and say that there's a national federal church. And if you're a

00:47:46.900 different denomination while still believing in the triune God, you're going to get thrown in jail 0.69

00:47:51.280 or not be able to have a license to preach.

00:47:53.320 I think that was the idea of the first amendment

00:47:55.800 and freedom of worship.

00:47:57.220 And then all the amendments after the first 10,

00:47:59.820 we could talk about.

00:48:00.900 Most of them I think are good.

00:48:02.240 The 19th, I'm not a huge fan.

00:48:04.120 So, you know, all that.

00:48:05.180 And then the rest of the constitution,

00:48:06.360 it follows the scripture and I think it's beautiful.

00:48:08.300 I think it's one of the best human documents ever made.

00:48:10.920 So I'm not against the constitution.

00:48:12.700 My problem is that America hasn't followed the constitution

00:48:15.220 since at least the 1960s.

00:48:17.780 It's a joke and we should stop pretending.

00:48:19.660 so all that being said uh yes i believe in theocracy and i think right now we have uh we 0.87

00:48:24.920 have a theocracy right now we don't have christian nationalism we have tranny nationalism

00:48:29.220 but you're going to have some form of theocracy some god some dogma some orthodoxy and and stemming 0.97

00:48:36.340 from that you're going to have some form of blasphemy laws things you can't say right that

00:48:40.600 it's either going to be god's law or man's law it's going to be the triune god or some secular

00:48:45.480 pagan perverse God. It's going to be one or the other. And I don't want this, this blending of

00:48:50.400 church and state ecclesiocracy, but I do want to recognize that there should never be a separation

00:48:55.580 of Christ and state. So the church and the state, two separate spheres, two separate

00:49:00.960 governments that God established and the family being the third, but above all three of those

00:49:05.980 human governments, the head of the husband and the family is Christ. The head of the president

00:49:10.220 or the king is Christ. And the head of pastors and elders and bishops and deacons in the church

00:49:15.520 is Christ. That's not crazy. England did that. America did that. That's why the West has been

00:49:22.080 so blessed. We weren't blessed because we oppressed slaves. We were blessed because we

00:49:26.360 obeyed Jesus despite slavery. And now that we are abdicating and apostatizing and turning our back

00:49:33.440 on the Christian religion, everything is going to crap. Yeah. Well, and I had that thought, 0.99

00:49:39.180 like who do men submit to if they don't submit to god right it's kind of like then it's then it's

00:49:44.140 what money but then i think that's kind of because what when i started researching like even you said

00:49:48.860 that the tran tranny movement or whatever right it's all like money it's basically just a bunch

00:49:53.680 of autistic kids and they put them on this like tiktok marketing or whatever and they just think 0.92

00:49:59.160 it's the basically they sell that surgery as the answer to all of like you it's women mostly sign

00:50:05.580 up for it and people think it's men but it's actually women um and it's a series of surgeries

00:50:11.080 it's not just a one and done it's like oh we gotta follow up there's an infection and you might go

00:50:15.780 back it's like michael scott with the office snip snap snip snap yeah it's a life yeah yeah it's a

00:50:21.040 lifetime um you're a lifetime patient i've interviewed some of them and like i it's really

00:50:26.320 gross it's terrible it's so sad but it's basically it's gross but it's tragic more than gross it is

00:50:31.020 so sad for those people right well because they were telling me it's mostly autistic women that 0.61

00:50:36.940 sign up so it's yeah so it's like it's exploitive yeah yeah and so they basically sell the like

00:50:43.920 because an autistic woman might not feel like she fits in so or like the things that like autistic

00:50:49.980 women because it's 80 women struggle with they sell that as like the solution um is this surgery

00:50:57.480 we'll solve this we'll solve that we'll solve that when really you know but when I thought

00:51:03.140 about it I was thinking about the doctors that were performing them and I was thinking how

00:51:07.800 really what they're submitting to is money yeah because if they submitted to God they obviously

00:51:13.080 wouldn't do that couldn't do and so it's like the society kind of goes so it almost I kind of

00:51:19.580 understood the lefts I barely ever say this I never understand their point of view but

00:51:25.580 where they have criticisms of capitalism, putting the money at the top of everything.

00:51:31.960 Okay. Chronic capitalism, sure. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of understood it because

00:51:37.620 under capitalism, I guess you could argue that that should be legal because they're adults,

00:51:43.400 they can do it, but that's putting money above God. Yeah, it could be, but not inherently. I

00:51:50.520 don't think that capitalism inherently requires money to be an idol. So remember, you know,

00:51:55.640 scripture says, you know, that money is not the root of evil, but the love of money is the root

00:52:01.380 of all kinds of evil. And all that means is that there are multiple sins that can stem out of,

00:52:07.660 they can derive from greed. Money is not a sin. The love of money, idolatry of money, greed is a

00:52:14.860 sin. So greed, all that's been said in scriptures, that greed is a certain type of sin that can give

00:52:20.380 birth to all other kinds of sin. For instance, you can be greedy and want someone's wealth that

00:52:25.740 causes you to covet, causes you to lie, causes you to steal, causes you to murder. So all these

00:52:32.440 other sins can stem from that root sin of the love, not money itself, but the love of money.

00:52:37.700 So capitalism, I do not believe inherently that it necessitates greed or that it necessitates

00:52:43.920 idolatry. I think that capitalism unchecked absolutely can cause problems. And we've seen

00:52:51.620 that, but it beats the heck out of socialism, beats the heck out of communism. And here's the

00:52:56.820 thing, socialism and communism, money is still God. So don't be deceived. Money is still God.

00:53:03.340 A poor person, this is something I always teach my congregation. You can be exceedingly poor

00:53:11.200 and you can be much greedier than a rich man,

00:53:15.340 someone who's exceedingly rich.

00:53:16.840 You could be thinking about money, desiring money,

00:53:19.920 wanting money, way more than the millionaire

00:53:21.980 who just is going about his life,

00:53:24.440 seeking to steward his resources

00:53:26.320 that God has sovereignly chosen to give him

00:53:28.140 through his work and through human agency.

00:53:30.300 And he's seeking to steward them in a godly, moral way

00:53:32.900 for the glory of God and the good of people

00:53:35.100 and all those kinds of things.

00:53:36.580 And he has a billion dollars and is not a greedy man.

00:53:40.460 it doesn't necessarily he could be but it doesn't necessarily require him to be a greedy man and

00:53:45.980 somebody else can have 10 bucks and be the greediest person on the planet and in socialism

00:53:51.120 everybody has about 10 bucks uh socialism is very effective in one thing making everyone poor

00:53:55.960 equally poor but poor well yeah and even because even what you were saying about

00:54:03.140 because just being in my industry i know a lot of people that got a lot of money young

00:54:07.840 and money can't buy peace of mind right and so like a lot of times people think money will solve

00:54:14.300 their problems but it doesn't give you peace of mind which um i don't know it's interesting to

00:54:20.100 talk to especially older people they seem to have more peace of mind than the younger generation

00:54:24.680 because we're all like addicted to smartphones and stuff yeah i think you're right what do you

00:54:31.120 think um so what is checked capitalism that's basically just when there's a law i can't remember

00:54:37.720 the exact term you said but it's basically like when a law it goes against god's word or whatever

00:54:45.560 then they would just say no basically yeah so in my you know ideal theonomic christian nationalism

00:54:52.180 society that that i you know so that's the last thing is i'm post-millennial that's eschatology

00:54:57.500 eschatology just means your view of the end times i you know most most people are dispensationalists

00:55:03.160 pre-millennial they think in other words they think jesus is going to come back next thursday

00:55:06.520 It's going to be really soon, especially when you have war in the Middle East, which you

00:55:09.580 always do, but right now you especially do.

00:55:12.180 So it's like, oh, Jesus is coming back.

00:55:13.680 The third temple is going to get back.

00:55:15.360 You don't think it's the end times?

00:55:16.940 No.

00:55:17.480 Nope.

00:55:18.300 I don't.

00:55:19.040 Oh, really?

00:55:19.620 It could be, but no.

00:55:21.300 No.

00:55:21.760 So I'm post-millennial.

00:55:23.120 So what that means is that I believe not...

00:55:26.840 So Jesus said this, Matthew 16, I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail

00:55:32.280 against it.

00:55:32.920 So a couple of things.

00:55:33.520 Number one, he doesn't just say, I will sustain my church, or I will see to it that my church

00:55:38.660 survives as the church is on the ropes, you know, and Satan, you know, and hell is wailing on the

00:55:44.480 church, but the church is, you know, barely hanging in there. And then, you know, the, the, the all

00:55:48.980 12 rounds and saved by the bell and Jesus comes in with the rapture and tags the church out and

00:55:53.460 then beats up the devil. Uh, that's not my view. And I don't think that's the biblical view. I

00:55:57.040 think that is a massive misinterpretation for the last, you know, well, that movie has already been

00:56:02.280 made. It's called, uh, left behind. It's been made several times. It's been made with Nicholas

00:56:08.580 cage. It's been made with, you know, so anyways, uh, so that's not my view. My view is that Jesus

00:56:13.200 says, not just, I will sustain my church and see to it that survives. I will build, it will grow.

00:56:18.400 It will advance. It will increase Isaiah of the increase of his government. There shall be no end,

00:56:23.620 not just in the life to come, not just in a heavenly sense, but I believe this is what a

00:56:28.460 post-millennial beliefs. I believe that Christ is emerging and will emerge victorious throughout

00:56:36.940 human history, not just saved by the bell at the very end, but throughout human history,

00:56:41.820 gradually and incrementally, progressively throughout human history through his body,

00:56:47.240 which is the church, his body on earth, the church, his hands and feet. And so the last

00:56:52.860 2000 years, here's the thing with post-millennialism, I think it will happen first because it has

00:56:57.560 happened uh things are not as bad as they were um in the first century for christians not nearly

00:57:04.640 we're not being thrown to lions now maybe that happens again so just like stocks there can be

00:57:09.340 dips and there could be big dips and i think we're in a big dip i think we've been in a dip since the

00:57:14.000 enlightenment to be honest so i think we're in like a yeah multiple century i mean it's it's a

00:57:19.180 heck of a dip so but i think the general trajectory overall for these last 2 000 years is upward it's

00:57:25.640 upward. It's been the Christianization of the world. The West is, there's never been anything

00:57:30.720 like it. There's never been anything like England, nothing like America that we're talking about the 0.93

00:57:35.340 most prosperous and benevolent. Slavery was universal, virtually universal for all of human

00:57:42.900 history. And it still continues in some places and in some forms, but in large part has been abolished

00:57:49.240 by Christians. The woke don't like to admit that, but the Christians are the ones, everybody 0.98

00:57:53.980 adhered to slavery. The Christians are the ones who abolished slavery. And so all these different 0.64

00:57:59.480 things where there's been a remarkable change, right now we're in a big dip because the West

00:58:04.020 has been rejecting God, rejecting our foundation. But all that being said, I am post-millennial.

00:58:08.580 So when I say I'm a Christian nationalist, back to theocracy, theonomy, your question, 0.98

00:58:12.980 these are things that I believe should happen and I actually believe will happen. Now that doesn't 0.97

00:58:17.240 mean it's going to happen in our generation, but this is what I'm working towards for my children

00:58:21.400 and my children's children, I want to see them live in a Christian nation, and I believe that

00:58:26.440 it will happen. Now, it may not be, that nation may not be called the United States of America.

00:58:30.580 My nation could collapse if it continues to rebel against God. Right now, I think we're under God's

00:58:35.320 judgment, but I don't think we're under God's judgment, meaning that the end is right around

00:58:39.620 the corner and that Jesus is going to come back next week. I think we're under God's judgment,

00:58:43.260 and what we've seen for 2,000 years is that nations rise and nations fall. God exalts,

00:58:47.940 so the scripture says, the nation that exalts Yahweh will be exalted. The nation that exalts 0.98

00:58:54.540 Yahweh will be blessed by the Lord. And so I think that over the course of human history, 1.00

00:58:59.000 you see the rise and fall of empires and the rise and fall of nations. And so all that being said,

00:59:04.560 with capitalism or with anything else, yeah, you want God's law. It's not whether but which.

00:59:10.600 You're going to have laws. You're going to have rules. Things are going to be permissible. Other

00:59:14.700 things are going to be, um, off limits and, and, and wrong. And so, yeah, why, why, why wouldn't

00:59:20.220 we go with God's laws? I think God's laws are best. And so you're looking at the old Testament

00:59:24.820 and the new, and you're saying, this is what God has said to his people, Israel. This is not just

00:59:29.500 for Israel, but all, all people in all places. So here's one blue laws, blue laws. That means

00:59:33.780 Sabbath laws, you know, in the United States and in England, there were a lot of things you could

00:59:38.180 not do, at least in the past and even recent past on the Lord's day on the Sabbath. Um, well,

00:59:44.320 how does that affect capitalism? Well, um, one of the reasons why little guys continue to just 0.99

00:59:50.580 get destroyed, small mom and pop businesses is that you, you cannot compete with behemoths,

00:59:56.840 you know, with Leviathans like Amazon, you know, uh, house Bezos, you know, and, uh, house Gates

01:00:02.920 and how, you know, these things. And part of the reason is because they never sleep.

01:00:06.660 They've got all these worker bees and all these different things.

01:00:09.400 It's every second of every minute of every hour of every day.

01:00:12.380 It's 24-7, 365 days a year.

01:00:15.700 But to say even online that the day of the Lord, the first day of the week, the day that

01:00:20.480 Christ rose from the dead shall be the Christian Sabbath, as we have in our confessions and

01:00:24.820 our creeds for 2,000 years.

01:00:26.980 This is what Christianity has held and the West held.

01:00:30.040 And they didn't just do it privately in churches.

01:00:32.300 It was society.

01:00:33.500 It was the whole nation.

01:00:34.380 you will not buy and sell on the Lord's day. Now that doesn't mean mandated church attendance.

01:00:40.600 Doesn't mean that if you don't go to church, you go to the gallows, but it does mean the

01:00:44.260 marketplace is closed. And if somebody in the marketplace chooses to buy and sell,

01:00:49.100 that there will be some kind of penalty. There will be a fine or something like that.

01:00:52.420 You're going to close the marketplace. Now, one of the things that happens practically,

01:00:55.520 you do that because you want to honor the Lord, but in honoring the Lord, his laws aren't just

01:01:00.500 morally right, but they're beneficial and good. So the things that God says, Hey, this is the

01:01:04.580 right way to live. It's also not just bringing him glory, but good for people. And one of the,

01:01:09.200 the, the implications of a law like that is that these Leviathan behemoth, you know,

01:01:14.900 institutions and companies would, it would level the playing field for the mom and pop that one

01:01:20.860 day a week, everybody's got to stop business. And it would give more of a fighting chance 0.92

01:01:27.260 to the smaller business trying to grow so that's just one example of you know god's law and how it

01:01:32.700 would work in you know the realm of capitalism which is what you ask how do you you you mentioned

01:01:37.100 earlier in the interview that you're like hopeful for the future yeah um i'm quite i'm curious why

01:01:42.640 because when i look at this numbers um like i look at the birthright yep the um general trend

01:01:53.400 of society to the left the amount of people that like practice religion like all of the stats that

01:01:58.200 i i would even like crime is going through the roof now um yeah i i don't see much to be like

01:02:04.920 wow it's gonna i guess maybe it can't get that much worse you know but it can't no

01:02:11.440 but at least in my in my lifetime i've really only seen things get worse like it's really weird

01:02:18.780 um because i'm 27 so when i was younger like even just the quality of like i see more homeless

01:02:26.340 people everywhere i see more crime everywhere um i'm from a family of 10 you don't really see that

01:02:31.960 anymore um so what makes you like hopeful for the future great question yeah so i i absolutely think

01:02:39.300 things can get worse um but i think that the overarching trajectory will be better so um that

01:02:45.700 throws people off, you know, they'd be like, are you just naive? Do you have your head in the sand?

01:02:48.900 Did you take the blue pill? You know? And it's like, no, no, I took the red pill. But by the

01:02:52.880 grace of God and through the scripture and the Christian faith, I followed the red pill with the

01:02:56.860 white pill. And that would be probably one of my strongest encouragements to you and to a ton of

01:03:03.860 people who listen to podcasts like yours and mine in the red pill kind of world is we don't need to

01:03:11.020 be like Theoden, right? The ruler of the Rohinians, you know, and the Lord of the Rings, you know,

01:03:15.760 the two towers. And, you know, he's like completely overcome by Saruman, the wizard, 0.52

01:03:22.740 and he's just like lifeless. There's no blood in his veins. He's a corpse just barely sitting there,

01:03:27.780 you know, and behind the scenes, you've got Saruman, the wicked wizard, pulling the strings

01:03:32.260 and making him say this and making him say that. And then finally, he like comes back to his senses, 0.79

01:03:36.640 uh you know uh Gandalf you know frees him from the spell he comes back to his senses

01:03:41.440 but then he's he's he's red-pilled but he black pills you know and it's just like there's no hope

01:03:46.480 everything is lost um and then you know Aragorn uh he you know is encouraging him saying no no no

01:03:52.200 and and then finally you know that the big white pill is uh okay so maybe we all die um but you

01:03:57.840 know uh if we do the horn and you know and Rohan will sound once more we will ride out to meet them

01:04:05.080 we're going to go down fighting. Like we're going to, we're going to go to war. We're going

01:04:08.540 to give it everything we got. And then Gandalf, you know, comes over in the last minute, you know,

01:04:12.180 the mountain shining light, you know, and reinforcements and they win. They actually

01:04:16.880 win against all odds. So first things can get worse, but in the big picture, I believe things

01:04:21.880 are getting, so I think things are going to get worse. I think they're probably, if I had to

01:04:25.040 guess, going to get significantly worse. I'm not excited about that because I have kids and I'm

01:04:29.520 deeply, as a father, deeply concerned for my children and they may have to move. You know,

01:04:34.840 And so already I'm doing my best to store up wealth.

01:04:38.360 The Proverbs say a wise man leaves an inheritance for his children's children.

01:04:43.100 So a good Christian man seeks to plan for the financial well-being of at least two generations

01:04:48.480 after him, all the way to his grandchildren.

01:04:51.000 My kids may have to move to some other place.

01:04:55.660 Maybe Elon can get them to Mars, you know, or maybe they go to Zambia for a little while.

01:04:59.060 Texas might secede.

01:05:00.840 Yeah, Texas may secede.

01:05:02.320 So that would be awesome.

01:05:03.560 but my point is things could get worse i would move there they seceded amen uh so things might

01:05:09.200 get worse and in the short run and when i say the short run i don't mean two months i mean it could

01:05:13.780 be it could be you know it could be 70 years you know but in the long run here's what i believe

01:05:19.540 from the scripture i will build my church jesus says that matthew 16 and the gates of hell will

01:05:25.240 not prevail against it so one he's not just sustaining the church he's it's growing secondly

01:05:29.680 this is the other part I didn't get to, the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

01:05:33.500 The gates of hell are not offensive weaponry. It's not artillery. The gates of hell are the

01:05:38.920 defensive measures, not of the church, but of hell. Hell's on the defense. Hell is on the ropes

01:05:44.120 and Jesus Christ, head of the church, is using his church on earth as his battering ram and he is

01:05:49.880 going to knock down the gates of hell and it's not going to win. So worst case scenario, this is how

01:05:54.940 I see it. Worst case scenario, the West completely falls in good riddance. We deserve it under God's

01:06:00.260 judgment because we have completely rebelled against God. The West falls, but the whole world

01:06:06.060 won't. Uganda and Zambia and these places that right now in our hubris and our pride, we laugh 1.00

01:06:12.780 at. We say, oh, that's so dumb. These primitive third world, whatever. But the developing world 1.00

01:06:19.380 that is adopting Christian preambles to their constitution, that is saying, yeah, we're not

01:06:24.700 going to stand for perversion and that is actually having Christian laws and these kinds of, and we 0.92

01:06:28.980 say, oh my gosh, it's so archaic and it's so extreme and I can't believe it and blah, blah, 0.57

01:06:32.720 blah. We're going to continue to be under God's judgment as we continue to be proud and perverse

01:06:38.140 and rebellious. And God will do what he has done for 2000. It's not new. Ecclesiastes says there's

01:06:44.660 nothing new under the sun. What's been done before will be done again. We think it's new because

01:06:48.800 every generation thinks that their generation's unique and new. Sure. The internet is new. I'll

01:06:53.440 give you that social media is new but with the reformation what happened with catholicism you

01:06:57.880 know and lutheran all it's because god tends to do this he teams up uh profound reformation

01:07:03.920 in culture with innovation in technology so the gutenberg printing press was radical like the

01:07:11.640 internet for its time and so the gutenberg printing press was at the same time as a little guy named

01:07:16.940 martin luther and the catholic church at the time even if you're catholic now you got to admit that

01:07:21.380 Catholic Church at the time selling indulgences, making people pay money to get their loved ones

01:07:26.340 out of purgatory. It was not a bright and shining moment. You're not supposed to sell forgiveness. 0.97

01:07:31.240 You're not supposed to sell forgiveness. So it was not the brightest moment for

01:07:35.380 Roman Catholicism. And my point is, so here's this guy and he disrupts this ironclad institution

01:07:42.820 that was impenetrable. I mean, they had a monopoly on society, wealth, the truth, everything. But

01:07:49.260 God brings one guy with reformation and in the realm of technology, innovation. And those two

01:07:56.620 things happen simultaneously. I think that what we're experiencing, and it's exactly, it's cool,

01:08:00.660 it's exactly 500 years later, exactly 500 years later from the reformation, I think that we are

01:08:05.920 experiencing another reformation teamed up once again with an innovation. And at first, this is

01:08:13.640 what happens is that things always get messier first so with the dawn of the internet and

01:08:19.200 podcasting and videos and social media well what you get is you get um three million different

01:08:24.420 opinions from the peanut gallery you me and everybody else but eventually this is what you

01:08:30.000 also get you get the crumbling of corrupt institutions that before were undefeated

01:08:36.860 They could not be taken down.

01:08:39.100 And now Tucker can go with Elon on Twitter, one guy, and mop the floor with Fox.

01:08:46.700 Yeah.

01:08:47.360 And so my point is, it's going to take time, but the truth is going to come out.

01:08:51.240 And in a worst case scenario, the West will fall.

01:08:54.200 But the rest of the world will look at that and say, what did they do that ended so poorly?

01:08:59.960 They hated God.

01:09:01.580 They loved perversion. 0.97

01:09:02.540 I guess what makes me a little bit more pessimistic is I'm in London so I deal with a lot of people that are like from I don't know anyone from Zambia in particular but more of the the countries that are supposedly like more traditional and like they kind of complain about the same problems that we do. 0.98

01:09:25.720 um so like i know i know in africa zambia that's in africa yeah i know they're um like they have

01:09:35.540 issues with like paternity fraud a lot of them i know their std rates are through the roof i know

01:09:39.860 in asia um their childless women are through the roof um their like birth rates at 0.5 or 0.6 i

01:09:46.780 think in south korea so um well south korea that would make sense go ahead sorry yeah yeah and 0.98

01:09:52.640 Eastern Europe, I don't know if it's still the case, but I know their abortion rate was pretty

01:09:59.260 high. So it seemed to be like they all have very similar problems to the West. And one thing I

01:10:06.000 learned when I came to England was our problems weren't as unique in the West as I thought.

01:10:11.520 Really, I just see the other countries as like 10, 20 years behind.

01:10:15.820 yeah well agree to disagree you may be right but like south korea for instance i see them as

01:10:25.640 the the asian wing of the west the same as israel is western like it's you know japan is western i

01:10:33.940 i view so when i think of you know uh non-western asian countries i'm i'm not thinking of japan or

01:10:39.800 South Korea. And when I think of Africa, I don't think that that's true of Africa. So certainly

01:10:46.960 they don't have some of the medical technology and advancements that we do in the West. And so

01:10:52.340 there are certain diseases that have not been fully eradicated, although things have massively

01:10:57.900 improved over the recent decades for the whole world, including Africa. But there are obviously

01:11:03.280 a lag when it comes to medical advancement and those kinds of things. But in terms of morality,

01:11:07.840 I don't think that African nations like Zambia or Uganda, I don't think that they're merely 20

01:11:13.840 years lagging behind the West. I think that they are, I know that they are, I've seen videos and

01:11:18.360 I also, there are some faithful ministers like Conrad Mbewe and Vodi Bakum who are in Zambia

01:11:25.300 starting, you know, they've been working on a seminary there and, you know, planting churches

01:11:30.000 and doing really good work. And, you know, and I've spoken with them and Zambia is hopeful.

01:11:35.340 There are problems in Zambia to be sure, but Zambia is hopeful. And they're not just 20 years,

01:11:40.860 you know, they're not your typical Western conservative who is whatever, whatever the

01:11:44.780 libs, whatever victory the libs experienced 20 years ago, we're going to conserve that, you know,

01:11:49.640 no, these, these African nations are, you know, and places in South America as well. They're

01:11:55.140 saying they're laughing at us and that's good. That's encouraging that they're, you know,

01:11:59.180 they're laughing at the west with its uh with sodomy transgenderism abortion oh yeah no 1.00

01:12:06.540 the the trans stuff will never go there that'll never but i just met like with more 0.90

01:12:14.400 the like breakdown of like like women like women are less traditional there's like i'm getting the

01:12:21.080 same because i interview about mostly like relationships like like that sort of stuff

01:12:24.980 okay so it's just we get a lot of people that are from not zambia i will say disclaimer i don't know

01:12:31.440 is it south africa because that would make sense if it was south africa south africa zimbabwe

01:12:39.560 nigeria kenya so it's kind of like i'm finding a lot of like similar trends i'm sure i'm sure

01:12:48.420 you're right i have no reason to discount that i i think you know and i think it's probably because

01:12:52.320 And I think this is what you're saying it because of the West influence, right?

01:12:55.720 So everybody wants to be, you know, Americans are cool, you know, and England is not quite

01:13:00.300 as cool as America.

01:13:00.980 We, we became cooler about, uh, I believe in 1776, but, uh, you know, but all that being

01:13:07.780 said, you know, that, that I think, yeah, that most of the world looks to us as an influence

01:13:12.080 and we're a terrible influence currently, but, um, but I don't, I don't think that that's

01:13:16.720 going to continue to be the trajectory because things, here's just my overarching point.

01:13:20.660 if we pan out, get the 30,000 foot view, right?

01:13:24.200 And you're doing this, you're looking at the world.

01:13:26.280 I would just add one more element.

01:13:27.700 Don't just look at the whole world instead of one nation,

01:13:30.560 but also look at the whole timeline

01:13:33.560 and not just one time period.

01:13:36.460 Over the last 2000 years,

01:13:38.880 it is incredible what God has done all around the world.

01:13:44.320 Life is better.

01:13:46.060 It is.

01:13:47.220 It's true.

01:13:47.500 Recently, things have, you know, again, 0.98

01:13:49.720 we're being stupid right now and making things pretty bad. And sadly, I think we could make it 0.94

01:13:56.180 even worse. But on the whole, I mean, you're talking about lifespans, almost doubling for

01:14:02.860 the vast majority of the world. You talk about slavery, you talk about war, pirates on the open

01:14:11.160 sea and being able to do free trade. You talk about prosperity and markets. And then of course,

01:14:18.260 for me you know coming from a christian perspective uh the advancement of the christian religion and

01:14:23.760 right now the christian religion is not um is not in it in its prime right now it's not looking

01:14:29.280 great um but overall i mean the math is real simple jesus started with 12 and now we got a

01:14:35.820 couple billion i feel like we're heading the right direction so you think it'll just go down for

01:14:42.080 maybe like 50 years but then the overall trend will be up we're just yeah and and i wouldn't you

01:14:47.400 know i wouldn't put money on the 50 years um it could be it could go down for 250 years or it

01:14:53.300 could go down for five years and we could have a great revival but that's that's what we've seen

01:14:57.300 throughout human history uh in the west and in other places i mean i'm an american a christian

01:15:03.080 reformed american a calvinist you know and i so i think of the great awakenings and george

01:15:07.960 whitfield and going up and down the coast and thousands and thousands of people coming to

01:15:13.240 Christ. I think of the Puritans and the Covenanters. I think of New Hampshire and they had covenants 0.98

01:15:19.880 with the triune God. This is before 1776 and individual colonies. I think it was 10 out of

01:15:26.640 the 13 colonies expressly called themselves Christian colonies and had a covenant with the

01:15:31.360 triune God. Christian laws on the books. We're not talking about the hypothetical of something

01:15:37.760 maybe one day happening. We're talking about the possibility of what has already happened

01:15:42.780 in history happening again. And, and, and the whole idea of things getting worse and worse and

01:15:47.340 worse, um, I feel like only strengthens my point because I think one of the ways that people repent

01:15:51.980 is by having to, uh, to take their own medicine by having to lie in the bed that they've been

01:15:57.720 making for themselves. Like one of the most compelling things. So the prodigal son, very

01:16:01.860 famous parable that Jesus told, you know, beautiful. And, and so he's, it says he's

01:16:07.040 off in a distant land and a famine hits, right? So he's, he's rebelled against his father. He's

01:16:11.860 going. He spends all his money on loose living. So it turns out, it's not just that girls can be

01:16:19.340 licentious, but here's a dude being licentious as well. And he spends all of his money. And then

01:16:24.280 he's in a distant land, a famine hits, it's hard times. He's got nothing left. He hires himself

01:16:29.820 out to be a servant of a farmer to feed pigs. And you know things are bad when it says he's

01:16:35.960 looking at the pods, the pig food, and says, that looks pretty good. So he's at the end of

01:16:42.620 his rope, bottom of the barrel. And then it says, in that moment, it says, and no one gave him

01:16:47.700 anything. And then the next words in the text is, and then he came to his senses. And he said to

01:16:54.720 himself, the servants in my father's house have it better than I. I should repent. I should go

01:17:00.300 back. And so my point is the worst thing I think that could have happened for this young, stupid 1.00

01:17:04.020 man in that moment is if a member of the father's house in the name of empathy, unbridled empathy, 1.00

01:17:10.600 had gone to find this young prodigal son and give him a handout. The thing that got him to repent

01:17:17.600 and go back to the father and apologize and express was the consequence. And the West, 0.94

01:17:23.040 I think that we're just getting started with the consequence. And I think as we experience

01:17:28.240 the consequence more and more and more, as the chickens come home to roost for transgenderism, 1.00

01:17:33.280 I mean, you're talking about people, we've barely begun to scratch the surface of, you're talking about tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people who in the next couple of decades, 10, 20 years, they're going to be furious. 1.00

01:17:49.980 We haven't even seen the consequences of COVID yet.

01:17:52.560 We haven't seen the consequences of the vaccine yet.

01:17:55.280 yeah we haven't like there's so many things that are going to be coming back to roost and people

01:18:00.440 are going to be like oh my goodness what did we do i did a poll on twitter asking how many people

01:18:07.080 if you personally knew someone that died of covid or like not of covid of um the vaccine

01:18:12.920 and 40 of people and i think this got over like 10 000 votes so it was like a decent

01:18:18.580 yeah yeah 40 of people know someone that died from the vaccine so it kind of tells you i mean

01:18:24.900 that they think it's not like a scientific right but still that's yeah that's something so whether

01:18:30.220 it's indoctrination of children uh in state schools whether it's abortion uh which i believe

01:18:35.240 is the murder of children in the womb whether it's transgenderism whether it's you know lgbt

01:18:39.680 lmnop you know the rainbow jihad whatever it is in all those ways uh through covid through 0.58

01:18:46.660 medical tyranny through state tyranny through uh lies of legacy media that are already crumbling

01:18:52.420 around us. In every single way, every major institution in the West, the state, the media,

01:18:58.340 medical, the family, sadly, the church, the church, sadly, is no exception. Every single one of them

01:19:04.520 has chopped off the limb that they were sitting on. They've completely discredited themselves,

01:19:09.760 proven their corruption, and the proof keeps coming. The receipts keep coming,

01:19:13.100 and we're going to get bigger receipts. It's not going to tail off. It's going to snowball and

01:19:16.780 speed up. And as that happens and people experience the consequences of polarization,

01:19:21.400 potential civil war potential world war three right now with all these different things um

01:19:27.660 yeah the the verdict is still out but it is it is coming in and and i think that the

01:19:33.640 overarching verdict when it's all said and done is going to be this um you rebel against god

01:19:40.040 you find out so what would be your prescription if you got if you were in charge tomorrow what

01:19:47.740 would you do? National repentance. I believe that, uh, nations, particularly in the West,

01:19:53.680 um, I, yeah, if I was in charge, if I was, you know, president, you know, uh, one of my friends,

01:20:01.080 I could see you running. You kind of have that like way about you. Have you ever thought about

01:20:05.120 running for president? No, I don't know. Just like for some political office. I can see it actually.

01:20:11.460 That would be cool. Maybe I don't know. That's something to pray about considered. Thank you.

01:20:14.380 that's encouraging. Um, but yeah, if I was president for, you know, and what a glorious

01:20:18.220 three days that would be a friend of mine, Doug Wilson always makes that joke. You know, it would

01:20:22.280 only, only last probably for three days. And then I would be, um, probably, you know, banished or

01:20:26.560 exiled or assassinated or something. Um, but in, in that, you know, uh, you know, whatever, uh,

01:20:32.780 hypothetical situation, I would call the whole nation, like it would be a national, um, a national

01:20:37.820 repentance. So we would, we would, you know, we would come now in our current system, there would

01:20:41.760 be difficulty. Here's another thing. This doesn't go over well, but I'm not the biggest fan of

01:20:47.340 democracy. I like a constitutional republic, a representative republic. That's back to the

01:20:52.980 19th Amendment. It's not just, oh, I don't think women should vote because they're not geared that 1.00

01:20:56.380 way. It's also because I believe in representative government. Right now in my county and in my 0.95

01:21:00.660 state and my nation, there's a ton of people who are representing me, whether I like it or not.

01:21:05.980 That's representative government. That's the way things work. So it wasn't that women didn't have

01:21:10.780 a vote. Women always had a vote by virtue of their husband or their fathers as a wife or a daughter 0.99

01:21:16.400 through the household vote. One of the things the 19th Amendment did was it split the household. 1.00

01:21:21.340 It turned the household against itself, going from the molecular model, the household being

01:21:27.780 the smallest building block of society to individuals. And so all that being said,

01:21:32.920 if I was in charge and it was a monarchy and I was king for a day, not just president,

01:21:38.400 I would say we need to fast and pray like the king of Nineveh when he heard the preaching

01:21:43.120 of Jonah that judgment was upon the city of Nineveh.

01:21:45.920 We need to fast and pray.

01:21:48.920 Nobody's going to eat.

01:21:50.360 No one's going to drink.

01:21:52.020 We are going to pray.

01:21:53.340 We're going to wear sackcloth and ashes.

01:21:55.660 We're going to get Congress or whoever, Parliament, you know, whatever the body, we're going to

01:21:59.280 get them together.

01:21:59.980 We're going to write up a Christian preamble in it.

01:22:02.520 we're going to declare allegiance to the triune God, to Jesus as King of all kings, King of me

01:22:08.780 and King of this nation. We are going to make God's law. The Bible will be the law of the land.

01:22:15.000 It's going to be, it's not simple. It's complicated through courts and the judicial system. It's going

01:22:19.840 to have to be prudently applied. So for instance, you must have one Old Testament law. You have to

01:22:26.440 have a parapet, right? It's a border. It's a balcony. Like if you have a balcony, you got to

01:22:33.780 have railing on your roof for Old Testament Israel. But why? Well, in their culture, people slept on 0.98

01:22:39.180 top of the roof. They don't have HVAC, AC. During the summer months, they would sleep on top of the

01:22:43.760 roof because it would be cool and there'd be a breeze. Now here's the way they enforce it. They

01:22:48.360 didn't have police going around and writing fines if you didn't have this border around your roof.

01:22:53.140 instead what would happen is it was punitive not preventative right not like a minority report with

01:22:59.960 tom cruise where you try to see the future who's going to commit a crime and you over police

01:23:04.060 everything like australia new zealand uh no it's it's punitive the way that you get justice is that

01:23:09.500 when injustice is done the penalty is swift and severe swift and severe so if you don't have a

01:23:16.500 border around your roof you don't get penalized but if somebody rolls off your roof and and dies

01:23:21.860 it's proportional, it's swift, it's just, it's eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life.

01:23:28.440 They fall off and they die, you get the death penalty. And publicly, you're going to be stoned

01:23:33.980 and put to death. And even stoning, it wasn't for the sake of being brutal. It wasn't brutality. 0.99

01:23:38.940 The point of stoning was to say that you have sinned against all society. And so all society

01:23:43.840 will have a hand in justly punishing you. All society. And one of the things that Old Testament

01:23:49.300 scripture, another law was you shall not pity the rich, show favoritism to the rich, nor shall you

01:23:55.000 pity the poor. Justice is blind, right? If you have to figure out what color the cop is and the

01:24:00.940 alleged perpetrator before you can decide what's just, you're not doing justice, right? If it's not

01:24:06.040 proportional, this person commits murder and they get a slap on the wrist, it's not justice. If it's

01:24:11.020 delayed and happens 20 years later, it's not just, it's swift, unbiased, proportional, all these

01:24:17.360 things, and it's reactive, punitive, not preventative, where you have this massive police

01:24:21.860 force, which means less taxes, because the police force costs a lot of money to employ.

01:24:26.320 But the punitive, a gallow is cheap. So all those things being said, my point is,

01:24:30.740 back to the roof border thing, you take that biblical case law, you apply it in 2023 in

01:24:35.980 America or England, what does that mean? You have to have a board around your roof? No.

01:24:40.280 But what it means is you must esteem life. It stems from the sixth commandment,

01:24:44.960 thou shalt not murder. So it might look like speed limits on a highway. It might look like

01:24:48.840 seatbelts. It might look like this. It might look like that. And then how do you enforce it?

01:24:53.000 Well, like the Autobahn, right? You don't have all these regulations, but what you do is if someone

01:25:00.140 does cause harm to someone else and they were going above the suggested, it would be suggested

01:25:06.140 speed limit, and it's proven they were going above the suggested speed limit. You don't have a million

01:25:10.540 cops going around giving speeding tickets, but if they get in a wreck going above the suggested

01:25:15.540 speeding limit, so it was their fault and they kill someone and they survive themselves to the

01:25:21.260 gallop. And it's public. It's on the county courthouse. The whole society has a vested

01:25:26.940 interest, not because we're morbid, not because we're sadistic, but because justice belongs to

01:25:31.240 the community and we all need to be committed to carrying it out. So all that kind of stuff,

01:25:35.760 the Bible would be the law of the land through judicial system, using prudence and strategy

01:25:40.960 and wisdom of how to actually apply that in our time, our place, our technology, our cultures,

01:25:45.860 but still the general equity, the general transcendent principles of biblical law,

01:25:50.980 three days of fasting and prayer, adopting a Christian preamble, and I'd be fired by the

01:25:56.660 end of the week, but it'd be great. What do you do over at Right Response Ministries? 0.61

01:26:02.440 podcast so i you know my my day job is i'm a local pastor so i pastor covenant bible church

01:26:08.160 um in central texas you know north of austin and then beyond that you know and everything that i do

01:26:13.420 as a husband and a father um right response ministries i'm trying to because i i feel called

01:26:19.600 and maybe not we'll see what god does but so far he's blessed it uh but i feel called to be on just

01:26:25.000 my local church my local church is my priority but i think the church kind of sucks right now

01:26:30.220 and so i'm you know i'm trying to help out and so i instead of just preaching sermons in my church

01:26:35.660 i'm hosting you know weekly podcasts and like yourself you know i have guests come on guys

01:26:40.720 that i think are also doing a similar similar you know good job and and actually have a spine 1.00

01:26:46.080 you know actually have you know some courage and are willing to you know say yeah feminism is 1.00

01:26:51.660 demonic and it's it's bad you know and let's call it what it is you know or this or that and

01:26:56.240 And so doing that, doing podcasts, getting my sermons beyond just the local church, trying

01:27:01.700 to write a book from time to time, and holding a conference.

01:27:05.460 We try to hold an annual conference.

01:27:06.820 So I got a conference coming up in March that's this exact, what we're talking about.

01:27:10.540 It's theonomy and post-millennialism.

01:27:12.820 It's Christian nations and gotten a lot of pushback.

01:27:16.040 A lot of people are saying, Christians, of course, it's always Christians saying, this

01:27:19.420 is a terrible conference.

01:27:20.520 This is worldly. 0.98

01:27:21.360 Jesus said, my kingdom is not of this world, which is so silly.

01:27:25.280 Jesus did not say his kingdom was not in the world, but not of the world.

01:27:28.780 What he's saying is that the power and authority for his kingdom is derived from another source.

01:27:33.580 It is a heavenly power greater than the world, but he's not saying that he doesn't care about

01:27:37.860 his kingdom being in the world, which is precisely why when Jesus taught us to pray, he said,

01:27:42.020 pray thy kingdom come to this world. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth,

01:27:48.080 not just in the 17th dimension, but on earth as it is in heaven.

01:27:51.040 So these are basic things that Christians understood. Christians understood the civil realm until, again, very recently, really since World War II. The post-war consensus has been terrible.

01:28:02.780 Wait, why is the conference considered worldly? Like they don't like conferences or just not?

01:28:07.300 Because we're saying that politics matter. We're saying that culture matters. We're saying that markets matter, that starting bids. The whole idea, so the conference, the title is Blueprints for Christendom 2.0.

01:28:19.980 So most Christians today, especially in the Protestant realm, they're pietist, meaning everything, the only thing of any value or worth at all is the spiritual, the unseen, right? So it's all inward. It's a privatized lordship of Jesus. Instead of Jesus being Lord of Lords and King of Kings, Lord of all, Jesus is Lord of my cute, precious, private, emphasis on private, heart. 0.97

01:28:46.000 Jesus is Lord of my heart instead of, no, Jesus is Lord of all.

01:28:50.260 And so we're talking about the Lordship of Christ over every aspect of life, not just

01:28:55.260 our private heart and not just our private family with our marriage and our parenting.

01:28:59.720 You know, Christians will do, here's a parenting conference. 0.92

01:29:01.640 Here's another parenting conference. 0.81

01:29:02.800 Hey, our 17th parenting conference is coming up.

01:29:05.560 Don't miss it.

01:29:06.900 You know, but that's all it is.

01:29:07.700 It's your private devotions.

01:29:08.820 You snap a picture of your coffee mug and your Bible and post it on Instagram.

01:29:12.600 So Jesus' lordship is in my 15-minute private quiet time in the morning, and it's maybe

01:29:19.080 beyond that, it's in our private home.

01:29:21.020 And we're saying, no, no, no, no.

01:29:22.720 Jesus is king of nations.

01:29:24.480 He's king of markets.

01:29:25.700 He's king of media.

01:29:27.420 He's king of medicine.

01:29:28.520 He's king of everything.

01:29:29.720 It will be done his way.

01:29:31.160 You have two choices, Christ or chaos. 0.95

01:29:33.580 So blueprints for Christendom 2.0, not Christianity 2.0. 0.78

01:29:37.720 It's the same faith once and for all passed down to the saints, the Christian faith,

01:29:41.500 the historic creedal christian faith christendom 2.0 so think constantine king alfred uh we're

01:29:49.020 saying you know christendom we've been lied to the crusades so here's one uh god's battalions

01:29:54.180 it's the name of a book by rodney stark he gives a history of the crusades turns out like most

01:29:59.400 things uh we've been lied to about the history that doesn't mean it's all perfect um but there

01:30:05.260 was actually some really good reasons for the christians and their side and their battle in

01:30:09.720 crusades against the muslims at every level i've heard that though i haven't studied it myself but 0.99

01:30:15.980 i've heard that it's like they always rewrite history the way they want the victors get to

01:30:21.700 rewrite history we just need to know what time it is right now the victors are the the pagans

01:30:25.780 the godless pagans leftist socialist communist globalist uh they're the victors and the victors

01:30:34.040 get to indoctrinate the society uh they're the ones who get to rewrite history and that's what 0.88

01:30:39.300 we've seen um and so so we just need to be asking questions we need to go back and think what what

01:30:45.080 did what did our ancestors that the overarching thing that that's trying to be done right now

01:30:49.220 the play is uh to try to get young western civilization uh to hate its heritage to say

01:30:57.740 that our heritage was just a bunch of slave owners and you know uh the spanish crusades and

01:31:04.260 colonizers. I've gotten that one before. Right. But it's like, okay, so Great Britain colonizes 0.90

01:31:10.960 India. And again, everybody's a sinner. So none of it is perfect. But it's like, I'm sorry. So 1.00

01:31:17.900 we're going to go into India and say- Oh, I've been told I'm the colonizer, I guess.

01:31:21.860 Yeah. But think about that. You go into India and you say, I'm sorry, you can't bury your wife

01:31:27.320 alive with a husband when he dies. Sorry to colonize you. Sorry. Is that an inconvenience? 1.00

01:31:33.440 or you come to the americas and you say okay guys there's a few things that we need to change

01:31:37.980 uh number one let's stop eating each other sorry sorry to be an oppressor yeah you know um

01:31:44.300 yeah yeah exactly all that becomes the footnote of history aztec right didn't they like sacrifice 0.76

01:31:50.720 aztec mayans caronkua indians where i'm i'm at in texas they were cannibals not like i ever i mean

01:31:57.560 it was terrible well and most of them died because of disease anyway right that's right uh it wasn't 0.75

01:32:03.420 even close to gunfire, but disease. And even with a gunfire, there were, again, problems on both

01:32:09.020 sides. So anyways, all that being said, the point is this, Christendom, so not Christianity 2.0,

01:32:15.100 the one Christian faith, Orthodox Christian faith, but Christendom is the idea of Christianity in

01:32:22.480 its outward expression in every realm of society. That's Christendom. And so what we're saying is

01:32:27.820 Christendom was not a bad idea. There were problems, but we shouldn't throw the baby out

01:32:35.000 with the bathwater. There are features and there are bugs. And so what we're saying is blueprints,

01:32:39.600 the title of the conference, Blueprints for Christendom 2.0, is we're saying we want to

01:32:43.400 get back to Christendom, all of Christ for all of life. It will either have Christ or chaos.

01:32:48.020 We want Christianity to be public in the public realm, nationally, politically, culturally, 0.75

01:32:54.080 everything. But we'd like it to be Christendom 2.0, meaning all the features of Christendom 1.0.

01:33:00.640 But yeah, I think we can do better. Let's try to get rid of some of the bugs. So the things that

01:33:06.460 actually were, not just blatant lies and slander and revisionist history, but things that actually

01:33:11.060 were a problem, whether it be King Alfred or whether it be Constantine or whether it be the

01:33:15.780 Crusades or whether it be this or whether it be that, the things that really objectively were

01:33:19.940 problems, here's the question implicitly that's begged, why were they problems? By what standard?

01:33:25.860 Were they problems because God's word would say that they were immoral or because we just say

01:33:30.260 they're immoral? And if they're actually problems, objective problems, not by our fluctuating moral

01:33:35.880 standard, but by God's immutable standard, then guess what? We need to Christian nationalism even 0.98

01:33:40.940 harder, not less, right? If we did, so if slavery was so bad, by whose standard was it bad? And if 0.59

01:33:47.780 it's bad objectively universally bad uh then it's only bad because of god's standard which means we

01:33:53.600 need more god not less right it's simple what's your what's your book about is that what your

01:33:59.600 book's about well the book is why i left california so the book is saying um i think that one of the

01:34:04.520 are you're californian no i was born and raised in texas but i moved there for 10 years and planted

01:34:09.140 a church oh okay so and then i came back for a host of reasons and it's a long conversation but

01:34:16.280 But basically, the book is just saying, I think one of the ways that we win, instead

01:34:19.340 of the fight or flight reflex, I'm saying advocating for a third strategy of fight by

01:34:24.240 flight, that one of the ways that we can fight against leftists and pagans and God-hating

01:34:29.880 society is places that are really blue, really progressive, really rebellious towards the

01:34:34.940 principles of scripture, vote with your feet, get out of dodge, stop propping it up.

01:34:40.340 I think one of the reasons that California has, you know, has the illusion of being able to last

01:34:46.300 as long as it has is because the salt of the earth props it up. There's, you know, statistically

01:34:50.820 there, you know, 42 million in California, total population, 16 million are professing Christians.

01:34:58.140 If they left and just said, you know, to Governor Gavin Newsom, that's enough, we're out. California

01:35:03.280 would actually have to, like the prodigal son, I use that as an example, he would have to deal

01:35:07.660 with the consequences of his godless policy and california would crumble and you know in a fortnight

01:35:14.220 and uh yeah and you know and then if it and that's i think that you know so you asked me earlier like

01:35:20.800 how do how am i hopeful and i gave you kind of the global scale of nations but you know as it

01:35:26.200 pertains to you know my country um i think you could have the the minor scale uh with states

01:35:31.820 that like if people continue and that's that's happening that trend doesn't look like it's going

01:35:36.140 away anytime soon. So if people continue to vote with their feet and they're like, yeah, you've

01:35:40.760 lost your minds. We're leaving California. We're leaving New York and we're moving to Texas. And

01:35:44.980 what will happen is economically, culturally, all those things, red states will get redder, 0.78

01:35:50.380 right? And they'll get better. They'll increase with wealth and prosperity and all those kinds

01:35:55.720 of things. And blue states will get worse and worse and worse. And that right there will be

01:36:00.020 used, I think, as an evidence to people saying, okay, so one set of systems works, another one

01:36:06.400 doesn't. Oh, and this one, what a coincidence. This one is more conservative and aligns more

01:36:11.780 with Christian values and that one. So, you know, and whether that we're able to do that in 50

01:36:16.760 years, you know, or even five, you know, 15 years with states at a micro level, or whether that

01:36:22.400 takes 250 years with, you know, all the way things getting so bad that, you know, people are going to

01:36:27.780 the gulags at a national international level but one way or another i think that system um that

01:36:34.460 history will prove who's right and and god's right you want to be on the right side of history

01:36:40.340 believe the bible because history gets revised you know every every 50 60 years so all you have

01:36:46.580 to do is like so right now like people think i'm crazy but all i have to do is say i'm a theonomist

01:36:51.040 i'm a christian nationalist i'm patriarchal um and i'm not trying to be offensive i'm not going

01:36:56.000 out of my way to jab and poke. But this is what I believe. Here's my reasons for believing it.

01:37:00.460 I'm not just trying to be mean, but the Bible says it. I think it lends towards the glory of

01:37:03.840 God and the good of people, including women, including children, including this, including

01:37:07.360 that. And you know what I have to do to prove that I'm right? I need to just sit and wait for

01:37:12.880 about 15 years. That's all. All I have to do is just wait. And the thing is, the stuff they're

01:37:18.240 pushing is very confusing. They'll act like they're pro-women, pro-minority,

01:37:26.000 pro all this stuff but it's very confusing to like grow up in a society that's telling us like

01:37:31.760 men are women women are men like because i'm i'm like the youngest millennial so i like grew up

01:37:38.640 like i feel like when there was like peak woke like was during my teenage years like i i see it

01:37:44.220 kind of like when caitlin jenner got that award you remember you remember like that i remember i

01:37:49.520 remember like being in school and everyone talking about it's very confusing like growing up when

01:37:54.560 it's like even the institutions you go to are telling you the wrong thing right well yeah

01:37:59.840 transgenderism is is really in some sense it could be defined as this it could be defined as uh

01:38:06.020 as the white man's secret weapon to still find himself in power uh you know so it's funny with

01:38:12.700 all the wokeness and like white people and white men are oppressive and all this kind of stuff 0.77

01:38:16.760 but then you throw in transgenderism and then what do you get well at the end of the day you

01:38:21.360 get a white male winning woman of the year award. Or you get a white guy who's more oppressed now

01:38:29.800 than this minority person. At the end of the day, transgenderism carved out a vehicle for 0.98

01:38:36.020 the white man to still find his way on top. And so it's a bit ironic. 0.91

01:38:41.700 Well, where can the people find you?

01:38:44.440 They can go to Right Response Ministries on YouTube. That's where most people follow us.

01:38:48.440 We don't have 2 million subscribers, Pearl, but I'd like to think we're on our way.

01:38:53.300 We've got about 75,000, so they can go to YouTube.

01:38:55.880 Yeah, you guys are doing well.

01:38:58.200 You're doing well.

01:38:59.160 I appreciate it.

01:39:01.860 That's where they can find you.

01:39:03.140 Where is your, can I go to your church next time I'm in Texas?

01:39:05.520 Absolutely.

01:39:06.140 Yeah, we would love to have you.

01:39:07.580 And the nice thing about you visiting our church is I can expect that you'll dress modestly.

01:39:14.580 I've seen you on Twitter.

01:39:16.640 Oh, you've seen my Twitter.

01:39:17.860 Yeah, your Twitter feed.

01:39:19.380 I was like, surely, you know, surely she cares about modesty.

01:39:22.580 So, but no, I would love for you to come and attend our church.

01:39:25.520 And it's called Covenant Bible Church.

01:39:28.160 Yeah, well, and I'm not even, okay, the modesty thing, I'll tell you.

01:39:31.200 Go ahead.

01:39:31.680 Because sometimes I'm like, even, I'm not even, I was an athlete.

01:39:34.700 We had very short stuff growing up.

01:39:36.480 I'm not even claiming like I'm perfect. 0.99

01:39:38.060 But I'm like, look, there's sometimes where we look so stupid as women and nobody tells us. 0.99

01:39:43.240 and i'm like well we'll have these like wives and mothers dressed half naked i'm like this 0.98

01:39:49.120 just looks no look i'm not even saying it's okay for the younger women it's not but i'm like it 0.96

01:39:54.760 just looks especially stupid when you're over like it's like you're 40 years old lady you've 0.93

01:40:00.300 had like half a century to figure this out no absolutely and the bible talks about that that uh 1.00

01:40:05.180 that a woman who's beautiful but but doesn't exercise modesty is like a gold ring in the 1.00

01:40:11.720 snout of a pig, right? That it's, that it's, it's, it's like pearls before swine, you know, 1.00

01:40:17.680 or giving what is holy to dogs. But in this case, the actual verbiage that's used applied to

01:40:22.260 modesty is a gold ring. So something of precious worth, but just wasted. And, you know, so, so

01:40:29.120 even if it's a young woman, she should dress modestly. And, and people, you know, the pushback

01:40:34.880 is always like, well, what about the men? And that's the whole problem with our society, in my

01:40:39.340 opinion is that again we we make every exception the rule every exception the norm every footnote

01:40:46.460 the headline here's the deal men should be modest too and there are some men who are going to the

01:40:50.900 gym shirtless and blah blah blah whatever but can we just admit for a second that right now 0.98

01:40:56.420 the big problem in the west is not abusive patriarchy but rampant feminism it is not 1.00

01:41:04.460 immodest men, but immodest women. I think you have to be able to say the standard is transcendent 0.64

01:41:14.460 and it applies across the board, young, old, guy, girl, but you have to be able to say in your time

01:41:22.340 and place, in your moment in history, you have to be able to say, this is a unique problem.

01:41:27.960 right now the unique problem that we have is not a bunch of men being um patriarchal tyrants

01:41:36.300 i i think that that has been a problem at times past now even that i think is revisionist history

01:41:42.220 and wasn't quite as bad as people make it sound but there have been problems like that right now

01:41:46.320 the problem is not that men um have all their wives on leashes you know why don't why don't

01:41:53.520 men have a right to like go out and not be bombarded with women's bodies you know because 0.76

01:41:58.680 there are men that actually want to be faithful and loyal to their wives and and you guys can't 1.00

01:42:04.440 go anywhere without yoga pants booty shorts right and these half naked chicks it's like don't they 1.00

01:42:10.860 have a right to go out in public and not see you like butt naked great point and then what about 1.00

01:42:17.880 children like children need to witness this now this is getting embarrassing yeah for a lot of 0.63

01:42:22.840 families, if you are a Christian family, what it means is it means that you just, these days,

01:42:29.440 you just do a lot less in public. You know, my family and I, we have places that we go and,

01:42:33.680 you know, a lot of what the children do, you know, is we, you know, we have places like there's a

01:42:38.300 farm that we like going to, you know, it's called Sweet Eats Farm and they have a petting zoo and

01:42:42.840 the kids get to ride the horses. And, you know, and our kids, again, they're itty bitty, which is

01:42:47.580 awesome. They're super, super cute. And so we have a blast, but most of it is hanging out with

01:42:53.700 like-minded people that we trust who are part of our church community. So my kids are having a

01:42:57.940 blast like every day of the week. My wife right now is on a play date with the kids, with another

01:43:02.240 woman in the church and they, you know, they're doing fun stuff. They've got like a bounce house

01:43:06.540 inside because it's cold right now and they're jumping off the walls and, you know, Christmas

01:43:10.940 decorations everywhere. Our kid, like, so I don't want to sit here and play the world's smallest

01:43:14.260 violin you know that um you can do it and i think that that's again that's just what i said earlier

01:43:19.360 i want to white pill christians and conservatives but and say okay the red pill you got to take it

01:43:26.020 you can't put your head in the sand things are tough they are tough um but you can do it you 0.99

01:43:32.760 can do it a lot of women are are jezebel they suck um but by the grace of god there are some women 1.00

01:43:41.080 and I know them. I pastor them. There are some women who are the salt of the earth. 1.00

01:43:46.720 They are beautiful inwardly and out. They're modest. They love the Lord. And some of them 0.62

01:43:53.100 are single and they are looking forward to loving a man and submitting to his authority in a godly

01:43:59.400 way. Now, I'm not saying they're a dime a dozen because they're not. They're rare. But you can,

01:44:04.440 you can have that life that your ancestors had, it's much harder to have. I admit that much harder.

01:44:11.560 Economically, it's harder. Legally, it's harder. There's more risk. There's more danger. If a man

01:44:16.240 marries and has children at a legal level, he is immediately at a disadvantage and everything

01:44:21.860 is a risk. His whole life could be ruined. I know the red pill. I'm aware. And all that is true.

01:44:28.480 The red pill movement has correctly assessed the situation, but they have no solution.

01:44:34.240 Getting a vasectomy at 20 and never marrying is not a solution.

01:44:39.100 That is the pathway to literally end the human race.

01:44:42.840 That's not a solution.

01:44:44.540 So we need a red pill, but we need a white pill.

01:44:48.260 God, that's just the beauty, again, of the scripture.

01:44:51.600 God gives us the truth of the situation, and oftentimes it's grim, but he also gives us

01:44:57.540 hope.

01:44:58.020 He doesn't only give us truth.

01:44:59.960 He gives us hope, and the hope is his son.

01:45:03.600 Jesus Christ, he is the hope of the world.

01:45:06.420 And if we submit to his lordship

01:45:07.980 and we're saved, not by our good works,

01:45:10.200 but by his grace, trusting in him alone

01:45:12.840 and his finished work on Calvary,

01:45:14.900 dying in our place, the death we deserved,

01:45:17.540 then there's hope.

01:45:19.440 And we seek to obey him, not to earn his love,

01:45:21.780 but knowing that we freely have his love by grace

01:45:24.260 and we're obeying him as a response of gratitude

01:45:26.300 and not just privately, but in every realm of life,

01:45:29.380 little by little by little, the world can change.

01:45:32.620 i believe that i have to believe that if that's not true then then it's not just that i'm going

01:45:38.480 to be depressed but if that's not true then then i have no basis for believing the christian faith

01:45:44.200 i mean like what am i doing i'm a pastor you know i guess i i can i don't know i mean i've

01:45:53.340 got 75 000 followers on youtube maybe pearl you could help me find you know some kind of

01:45:57.280 fringe entertainment that i could start doing videos on that instead of the pastor stuff that

01:46:01.740 i've been doing but like what i mean really what am i going to do this is this is my life this is

01:46:05.680 what i believe and it's not just my livelihood you know for practical reasons but i believe this

01:46:10.780 down to the marrow in my bone that jesus is lord that he's changed the world the whole world changed

01:46:18.160 we literally when we do when we do the calendar there is before christ and after like this there's

01:46:27.200 no human being who has ever walked the earth that has changed the world like Jesus. You can love him,

01:46:32.840 hate him, bless him, curse him, but he is God. There's no one like him. He is the Lord of all

01:46:38.320 the earth. He changed the world in 2000 years. I'm living in a grim moment, but I'm fighting

01:46:46.180 for his glory. I'm fighting for my grandchildren and their future. And we might be in a dim moment,

01:46:51.400 But 2,000 years, he's been winning, and the next 2,000 years, he's the victor.

01:46:57.420 That's what I believe.

01:46:59.660 Well, thank you very much for coming on.

01:47:01.980 You're welcome.

01:47:02.260 I appreciate you coming on.

01:47:02.860 It's an honor.

01:47:03.500 Thank you for having me.

01:47:05.640 Guys, make sure you go subscribe.

01:47:07.740 Tell them one more time where they can find you.

01:47:09.580 Just search Right Response Ministries on YouTube.

01:47:13.020 Yeah, guys, make sure you go subscribe.

01:47:15.500 Make sure you like the video on your way out.

01:47:17.420 um and also let me know who you would want next time on the sit down thank you very much

01:47:23.220 for coming on I will talk to you guys next time

The NXR Podcast - April 16, 2024

BONUS - Pearl Davis Interviews Pastor Joel Webbon ｜ Biblical Patriarchy & Christian Nationalism

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