00:01:43.280We're going to be using, in order to answer this question in the realm of theory, we're going to be using multiple case studies.
00:01:51.120One of them will be looking at the Jews and what they famously said in response to Pontius Pilate when it came to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
00:02:01.420Pilate, he washed his hands of the blood of Jesus.0.52
00:02:05.420Now, we know that in the eternal sense, even though he had this physical symbol, this sign
00:02:12.020of, I'm not guilty for what happens to this man, well, he still made that decision.
00:02:17.140We even have in our historic creed, such as the Apostles' Creed, he was crucified under
00:10:43.360Wes, go ahead and lead us with some thoughts.
00:11:01.520There is an incredible quote by the World War I German historian Ernst Younger in which he said,
00:11:07.040Blood is the fuel that is consumed by the metaphysical flame of destiny.
00:11:11.620We as moderns tend to think in materialistic terms.
00:11:14.940We hear the word blood and we think of, oh, hemoglobin and red blood cells and white blood cells.
00:11:19.380And technically, if you lose this amount of liters and this amount of time, well, you've lost your life and that's it.
00:11:25.040Older men, older generations thought of blood as something much more different.
00:11:29.380I can quote Lord of the Rings as a great example.
00:11:31.100I do not know what strength lies within my blood.
00:11:33.860I read King Arthur with my son for a number of nights telling the story of the knights of old England.
00:11:38.460and they often spoke of the blood that ran through someone's vein, a prince or a young king
00:11:43.440that carried on with his father in continuity, his rulership. And so there's an older conception
00:11:48.580of blood that is a, it's not just merely materialistic, but it's almost metaphysical
00:11:53.260in a sense. It carries along properties. It carries along virtues. So he's courageous like
00:11:58.480his father was. It carries along sometimes defects of character. It carries with it meaning. Even in
00:12:05.040the Old Testament, God says, you're not going to drain the blood or boil it in its mother's milk,
00:12:10.500for example, kind of pulling two passages here. A kid, in this case, kid being a baby goat,
00:12:15.500not a human child, but you shall not boil a kid, baby goat, in its mother's milk,
00:12:21.920but also blood. You can't eat anything that's been strangled or given to blood.
00:12:28.580Because it says the life is in the blood. And so we talk about blood guilt. We're not far out of
00:12:34.000left field to say, is there something carried along in individuals, in lineages, in nations,
00:12:39.540a family writ large, that carries with them some level of guilt? And we have to be very careful to
00:12:43.740distinguish, because we are the same people that just a year ago did an episode called
00:12:47.520The Gospel Changes Genetics. And we went into how you live impacts your children and your
00:12:53.400grandchildren and whole communities of people shaped by the same thing, shaped by the same
00:12:57.860worship, shaped by the same war, shaped by the same famine, that those have effects down the line
00:13:02.940that you can actually look at their DNA, you could look at their blood, and you could say,
00:13:06.640yeah, I can see that effect. These people are given to diabetes, for example, Native Americans0.99
00:13:11.120who lived off the tax dollars of the U.S. government who felt bad for them. They are0.96
00:13:16.080now genetically predisposed to diabetes as a consequence of the indulgence and sloth of their
00:13:22.240fathers. Yeah, and let me just take a moment real quick for those of you guys who have not watched
00:13:26.100that episode that we did probably a little over a year ago at this point. The gospel changes
00:13:31.020everything, including genetics. Here's the long and short of it. I understand that this is0.98
00:13:35.780controversial, but this is the best way to say it. I'm not trying to be unreasonable or an
00:13:41.340unnecessary edgelord. I want to use this speech not because it's jarring, but because it's clear.
00:13:47.680It makes the point clearly. And here's the big idea. Every single major worldview, and especially
00:13:55.220as it pertains to religions, every major world religion, be it true, as Christianity is exclusively,
00:14:02.920or false, like Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc., Judaism, every major world religion,
00:14:10.380it can't be summed up as though this is all it is, certainly not, but every major world religion,
00:14:16.800worldview, contains, among many things, it contains within it a eugenics program.
00:14:23.320I understand that that's a very charged word. Here's the big idea. When it comes to eugenics,0.76
00:14:30.180like many things, it's not whether, but which. It's not whether you will have eugenics. It's
00:14:36.940which eugenics you will have. There are eugenic programs that are vile, malicious, wicked in the0.99
00:14:46.200sight of God. It is malice and hatred toward your fellow man, and it is indicting, morally
00:14:55.180indicting before the sight of God. So eugenics, 99% of the time, I would say, is wicked. Let me0.93
00:15:06.180give you a couple examples. You can search through history. You can search when it comes to Germany
00:15:11.160at a particular time. But let's be honest, Margaret Sanger, here in the United States,
00:15:18.240Hitler got some of his ideas from us. It's not like Hitler was just doing this on his own.
00:15:23.940We were doing it too. Here's a negative example, something that is incredibly immoral in the
00:15:30.260eugenics category, forced sterilizations, right? That somebody goes into a surgery,0.94
00:15:38.340they're put under anesthesia it is against their volition they don't actually consent to it and
00:15:45.440the doctor because that person is a minority ethnicity or a particular economic class that
00:15:53.440is poor and seen as less than the doctor takes the liberty of removing their appendix you know0.96
00:15:59.920the thing they came in for and while we're at it will also tie your tubes those kinds of things
00:16:07.100that is wrong. When I say that every major religion or worldview contains within it a
00:16:13.280eugenics program, this is what I'm talking about. Religion speaks not only to higher things,0.98
00:16:20.680heavenly things, eternal things, spiritual things, but also the practical everyday
00:16:25.740manners of life. For instance, religion has a lot to say about diet. What do you eat?
00:16:33.740right? The Bible has a lot to say about what you're allowed to eat and what you're not allowed
00:16:38.900to eat, so that would be in Christian literature, that would be in Jewish literature, the Torah,
00:16:44.540and that's expanded, Mishnah and the Talmud, and gets even more particular, even more specific.
00:16:50.280It's also in Hinduism, right? There are nations that eat cows, there are nations, religions,
00:16:56.220peoples who worship cows. It's in Buddhism, it's in all these major world religions. They have
00:17:03.280something to say, not just about your spiritual well-being, but also your physical diet. Here's
00:17:09.980another one. Marriage. Who are you allowed to marry? Somalians, for instance. The average IQ
00:17:16.740of Somalia is very low. I believe it's around 69. That doesn't mean this is a general truth. Here's1.00
00:17:23.900the thing about general truths. General truths are not universally true, but they are generally
00:17:28.720true. Are there exceptions? Of course there are exceptions, but there's still a general truth.
00:17:34.000What are the reasons why Somalia's IQ is so low? Well, religion plays a big part in that. Islam1.00
00:17:41.800plays a big part in that, as opposed, in contradiction to Christianity, that has to do
00:17:47.020with diet. It also has to do with marriage. You can look it up. It's easily found. This is a proven
00:17:53.080in fact, this is history. I'm not trying to be unnecessarily demeaning, but Somalians at a much1.00
00:17:59.780higher rate than other peoples throughout the world have been incestual, have married very0.83
00:18:08.000close relatives, whether it be a brother or a sister. In this case, yeah, I'm thinking about
00:18:15.520Ilhan Omar a little bit. She comes to top of mind, you know, but a second cousin, a first cousin,
00:18:22.240these kinds of things. When you think of the Old Testament in biblical literature,
00:18:26.980there are many dietary restrictions, but there are also restrictions on marriage.
00:18:31.820There are restrictions about you can't marry someone who is too closely related to you,
00:18:36.380uncovering your father's nakedness by marrying your mother, you know, or your sister's nakedness.
00:18:44.560The biblical impetus as it comes to marriage also forbids, in most cases, not all, but in most cases,0.91
00:18:53.300marrying to someone who's too distantly related, the foreigner.
00:18:57.480Now, the main focus and view there when it comes to marrying the foreigner is their religious fidelity,
00:19:04.700that the foreigner, it is assumed more often than not, is someone who worships pagan gods.
00:19:10.560gods. But nonetheless, the practical results for Old Covenant Israel is that they're eating a very0.94
00:19:17.420strict diet. They're not marrying someone who's too closely related or too distantly related.
00:19:23.500Here's a third component, and there's much more, but just to sum it up, third component is justice,
00:19:29.460criminal justice, particularly as it pertains to capital punishment. What do you do with the
00:19:35.740deviance among your society. Those who do not just sins or even crimes, but despicable and
00:19:45.120heinous crimes that the Bible, that God's Word, would deem as capital crimes, meriting capital
00:19:51.900punishment. Well, in applying capital punishment to capital crimes, one of the effects of that,
00:19:58.400practically speaking, is that that person's lineage is cut off. Their line is cut off.
00:20:04.220They're no longer going to procreate and have, you know, posterity and all these descendants.0.98
00:20:11.220And so if you have some people who are particularly rebellious among you, I think of Achan.
00:20:17.440When it comes to Old Testament Israel under Joshua, Achan and his family participated in taking some of the gold and the treasures that were supposed to be fully devoted to the Lord.0.51
00:20:31.220And it's not just Achan, but his whole family is cut off from Israel.
00:20:37.000And so they're no longer, that line that was particularly rebellious is now no longer a
00:20:44.980So this idea that the gospel changes everything, to say it a little bit more particularly,
00:20:50.920it's really that religion affects everything, whether it's the gospel of Jesus Christ, the
00:20:56.080true religion, Christianity, or a false religion even, because every major world religion speaks
00:21:02.000to diet, it speaks to marriage, it speaks to procreation, and it speaks to capital punishment0.68
00:21:07.760and capital crimes. And all that over not 15 minutes, but multiple consecutive generations
00:21:14.140over the course of many years, centuries even, is going to shape a people not just spiritually,
00:21:20.260but also physically, biologically, genetically. It's going to affect their strength, their health,
00:21:27.040even their IQ. And so we have to recognize that these things are simply inevitable. So that goes
00:21:33.920back, if you can just kind of complete your thoughts, the gospel changing everything, genetics,
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00:30:03.380Before we, I know you were going to go into an explanation in terms of the modern conception of blood guilt and why it's wrongheaded.
00:30:09.240I wanted to just add something that strikes me when I think about blood guilt or the concept of blood guilt, biblically speaking, which is covenantalism in one word.
00:30:19.200It's the fact that in the Old Testament, we see consistently God mediating blessings, mediating curses, not only with the nation of Israel, but also with pagan nations.
00:30:29.320I'm thinking of the Canaanite nations, I'm thinking of Babylon.
00:30:32.540In various cases, we see judgments upon these nations.
00:30:36.300And in a lot of ways, it's blood guilt.
00:30:38.940I think you could summarize it by saying one man acts and many, many are implicated by that.
00:30:44.760So that's just a concept of federal headship.
00:30:47.080It's the concept that you would have a king or a ruler, and he would make some decision
00:30:50.860by which the people that are under his authority are implicated.
00:32:54.880Or is it the environmental? And I actually don't think, I think the concept of blood guilt isn't even directly trying to tease out which it is. I mean, historically speaking, it would just be the idea that blood is more than the material. It's the idea that you have some sociological narrative, some cultural narrative that has, you know, carries on through your people, carries on through your progeny, etc.
00:33:20.180And so I just wanted to add that before we go into sort of, I think the modern conception is a little bit more warped, but I wanted to throw that in there, that idea of covenantalism.
00:34:12.420and uh and so you have to be skeptical of them and skepticism is not a great foundation for
00:34:18.680relationships now being wise and discerning is but if you're just going to be skeptical of someone
00:34:23.860because of who their parents were and have no category for someone genuinely saying i don't
00:34:28.700want to be like that well i'm going to be honest you kind of live in a fantasy world there are
00:34:32.540children whose fathers were the worst alcoholics and they've come out and they are upstanding young
00:34:37.060men people buck the record people buck the trend now not all of them that's why it's called the
00:34:41.980trend that's why it's called an average but if you have no category for that you're just going
00:34:45.720to live in a very simplified world and honestly people aren't going to take you very seriously
00:34:49.780you're going to show up at a party and you're going to start ranting about the jews and it's
00:34:53.620all of them and it's this side or the other and people kind of go this guy doesn't understand
00:34:57.740the world this guy's never interacted with other people versus saying hey here's the general
00:35:01.900pattern but i've known him yeah and practically that's just what we would call charity i think
00:35:07.140interpersonally it's the idea that you can meet someone you can know where they're from and
00:35:10.700And you can, as a consequence of knowing where they're from and knowing who their family is, et cetera, you can have some inclination of like, okay, they'll have proclivities toward this or they'll have proclivities toward that.
00:35:20.460But charity comes in and says, but I'd like to believe that they don't.
00:35:25.960Don't break out the hard liquor around your Irish friend, you know, like maybe the Guinness.1.00
00:35:30.320Yeah, that they're going to exercise some break from the negative or harmful proclivities they have.
00:35:35.940And that's where charity interpersonally, I think, comes in and it helps kind of facilitate relations with, you know, different peoples, et cetera.
00:35:49.460The effect is that you're going to live in a fantasy land.0.73
00:35:52.040And to put just a little bit more meat on the bones, it's not just a fantasy land, but to be more particular, you're going to be living in an anti-Christian land.0.55
00:36:01.520Because the category that you're not leaving room for is the category of redemption.
00:36:05.940that God actually does change and redeem people.
00:39:52.400He's saying this is generally true of the Cretans.1.00
00:39:54.220The Cretans, in general, they kind of suck.0.96
00:39:57.840However, by sheer virtue of leading Titus, leaving him in the Isle of Crete to appoint0.98
00:40:04.420elders in Cretan churches with Cretan pastors, what Paul is also implicitly saying is, in general,0.99
00:40:12.600the Cretans currently suck. However, given time and the little bit of leaven that works through0.98
00:40:19.140the whole batch of dough and the work of the gospel over generations, the Cretans don't always0.99
00:40:23.520have to suck. Currently, they suck. Universally, every single one of them without exception? No.1.00
00:40:29.200but generally and temporally, generally and temporally, the Cretans aren't doing so hot,
00:40:36.840but perpetually and universally, no, this can change. And even the general characteristics
00:40:42.920that currently define the Cretans, that can change from negative to positive given enough time and
00:40:49.360given the potency of the gospel. If people are repenting of their sins and believing in the
00:40:54.380Lord Jesus Christ. Final idea that I want to mention on this topic of blood guilt, notice all
00:40:59.800the texts that I read in the cold open at the beginning, outside of the episode, the guilt is
00:41:05.280resting not so much on the people, although I think that by proxy, that's true, by proxy.
00:41:13.760But in terms of the direct subject that the guilt is resting on, it's not the people, but in all
00:41:20.780these texts, predominantly it's upon the land. So here's the idea. You could be from a particular
00:41:28.920people in a particular time, in a particular place, that your immediate ancestors, your mother0.82
00:41:35.900and father preceding generation has done wicked and heinous things. And if we go back to those
00:41:41.100texts that I read, the main thing in question here is murder. It's the shedding of man's blood.
00:41:46.620So your immediate ancestors, your father, your mother, their generation, not each and every
00:41:54.140individual, but in general, they did something bad, like to make it really applicable for our
00:42:00.980American context. Let's just say that you're Gen X, millennial, Gen Z, and the boomers
00:42:06.940murdered, I don't know, it's hypothetical, I'm sure, but like 70 million babies in their
00:42:13.320mother's womb. Would there be a blood guilt associated with that, biblically speaking?
00:42:18.200The answer is yes. Would that blood guilt mean that all of the preceding generations in a
00:42:24.600universal capacity, each and every individual among them, and perpetually every generation
00:42:30.280that comes after them forever, that they're all held in the sight of God as guilty for the sins
00:42:36.740of the boomers? No. But is there a general corporate guilt and judgment on the land0.91
00:42:44.940because of the shedding of blood of innocent children in their mother's womb by a generation0.85
00:42:51.240that murdered them by the millions? Like, could we say that right now at this point of time,0.72
00:42:56.460that there is a blood guilt on the land of these United States, that there is a particular
00:43:03.020judgment on the land, that perhaps one of the reasons that we're being invaded and overtaken0.75
00:43:09.340by foreigners might be one of the mechanisms of God's judgment, right? It's its own foolishness,1.00
00:43:17.400it's its own treason, but even that, even though it's this crazy, untethered immigration policy,0.95
00:43:29.480even though that's its own sin, could that sin be a compounding effect, consequence of this
00:43:38.820greater sin, a little further upstream, namely abortion? I think that the answer is yes. Now,
00:43:46.600what does that mean? Does that mean that every single millennial and Gen X and Gen Z is guilty
00:43:51.820eternally in the sight of God for all the acts of abortion by the millions in preceding decades?
00:43:59.960No. You can be a millennial who is a Christian who loves the Lord Jesus Christ. You denounce
00:44:07.700abortion as a wicked sin and crime. You believe that it should be abolished, and God does not0.99
00:44:14.220hold you guilty. However, if you're an American, you still live in a land that has a certain guilt
00:44:22.160attached until when? What's the turning point? Until that shedding of blood has been atoned for.
00:44:30.920And I think that one of the ways to atone for it, the ideal way, is actual biblical justice being0.53
00:44:37.800carried out by a nation through its civil magistrate, that we actually abolish abortion
00:44:43.380and attached to the sin and crime, it's both a sin and a crime of abortion, we label that,
00:44:51.980categorize that as a capital crime that merits capital punishment, so that those who commit
00:44:58.160abortion would receive, their blood would be shed for the shedding of other blood. That's one way
00:45:04.780to cleanse the land from this blood guilt, to atone for that crime, that sin. Here's another
00:45:10.640way, though. What if we're not able to abolish abortion, not indefinitely, but let's say in the0.76
00:45:18.300next 10, 15 years, and the boomers get to have committed abortion, seen abortion, row, come into0.82
00:45:28.160play in their lifetime under their watch. Granted, they were young, 20s, you know, some of them0.57
00:45:34.440teenagers. But under their watch, abortion came in mass in America, and they ushered it in with0.75
00:45:43.660peace and free love and the sexual revolution, wanting to have sex untethered without any
00:45:50.600consequence, including pregnancy. And so they ushered in abortion, and we never really got0.55
00:45:57.780the legislation that would be just according to biblical law for punishing those who commit0.90
00:46:03.640abortion and the boomers get to live a long life to 85, 90 years old and go on all their cruises0.87
00:46:10.000and spend all their money and not give it as an inheritance to any of their children or0.86
00:46:14.360grandchildren and die of old age. Well, now they're gone. They can't be justly punished anymore,
00:46:22.340at least not temporally here on earth. God will get perfect justice in the life to come.
00:46:27.320So then is America just screwed? The land is going to be under a curse forever? No, I truly believe that even with it being old age, that it's the death.
00:46:41.400Once that generation has passed away, the judgment lifts, and if preceding generations
00:46:49.640don't commit the same sins and crimes as the preceding generation, if we, in future generations,
00:46:58.140we say, no, that was a mistake, that was heinous in the sight of God, that was wrong, we're going0.98
00:47:03.680to abolish abortion, we're not going to have preceding generations, millennials, Gen Z,
00:47:09.200Gen Alpha be pro-abortion, we're going to stand for the sanctity and the dignity of human life0.98
00:47:14.460from the moment of conception, we're going to pass new laws and new procedures, and the boomers1.00
00:47:19.700never actually get punished and poorly on earth, but they still die off, then I believe that at1.00
00:47:26.060that point that the curse lifts. And so it's not a blood guilt for the descendants, the people,
00:47:32.000but it's a blood guilt on the land. It's the land being under a curse. So right now, I believe
00:47:37.280that the land of America for abortion and also sodomy, but especially abortion, the shedding
00:47:42.900of innocent blood, is under a curse of God. But that does not mean that every person living,
00:47:48.520every individual person living in America is under a curse of God. So being able to bifurcate
00:47:54.620blood guilt, where's the guilt rest? Is it all the people perpetually or is it on the land
00:48:02.740temporally? When does that guilt leave? How can it be atoned for and absolved? And then being able
00:48:09.560to hold all that and be able to say, okay, in that sense, blood guilt, the way that we think about it,
00:48:16.260the way that it's frequently used in our modern depiction, blood guilt meaning forever, this
00:48:22.600entire people, every single one of them, universally and perpetually forever, that is not, final answer
00:48:29.020here. That's not a biblical idea, right? So when the Jews say, well, let Jesus' blood be on us and
00:48:34.720our children, they actually don't say forever. That's actually not in the text. And so all Jewish
00:48:40.640people, ethnically, everyone who's Ashkenazi, Sephardic, whatever, who has Jewish blood in
00:48:47.280their veins, ethnically speaking, racially speaking, forever, even 2,000 years later,0.98
00:48:52.800is universally held guilty for the sin of that first century Jewish people crying out for the
00:49:00.420crucifixion of Jesus is not actually a biblical idea. That's one thing. Again, categories bifurcating.0.77
00:49:08.220On the other hand, though, if a particular people has continued not murdering Jesus,
00:49:14.860that's kind of a one-time deal, but continued in particular patterns, in particular behaviors,
00:49:20.920not universally, but generally speaking, they continue to be subversive. They continue to be
00:49:27.300deceptive. They continue to be greedy. They continue to this, that, and be rebellious,
00:49:33.160continue not murdering Jesus in the flesh, which only happened once, can only happen once,
00:49:38.020but they continue spiritually rejecting Jesus, for instance. Spiritually speaking, we still don't
00:49:44.140believe that he's the Son of God. We still reject him as the Messiah. If that continues, it doesn't
00:49:49.460give you blood guilt that is universal and perpetual, but it does give you what I like to
00:49:55.400call the particular besetting sins of particular people. The particular besetting sins of particular
00:50:04.200people. In the same way that the Cretans generally, not universally and not perpetually, but generally0.99
00:50:10.920and temporally were known, and the Apostle Paul affirms this, were known as being particularly
00:50:16.840bent towards, a propensity towards particular sins such as gluttony, laziness, lying,
00:50:27.340drunkards. In the same way that the Cretans could be known like that, I believe that peoples today
00:50:32.300can be known like that. Particular peoples with particular strengths and particular besetting
00:50:38.180sins. This is behavioral patterns. This is temporal. It doesn't change in a moment,1.00
00:50:45.000but it can change. The gospel can change this over time, throughout the years, throughout
00:50:50.620generations. So it's temporal, these behavioral patterns, and it's also general. You will always
00:50:58.680find exceptions. People among this tribe, among this ethnicity, who are converted and born again
00:51:06.000and put their faith in Jesus. So blood guilt that is universal and perpetual, no.
00:51:11.480pattern behaviors behavioral patterns that is temporal and general yes i think that's the way
00:51:21.120to think about it so to say i believe that jewish people ethnically speaking even today
00:51:27.3402 000 years removed from the death of christ are still generally speaking not every single stein
00:51:34.160but every single time generally speaking for now because they're still it's not like they rebelled
00:51:40.2602,000 years ago, and that was it. They've been rebelling this whole time against the Lord Jesus
00:51:44.820and certain behavior. So I believe that Jewish people, ethnically speaking, in general, allowing
00:51:51.780for exceptions, and temporal, meaning that this, by the power of the gospel, they could repent and
00:51:57.320change in the future, generally speaking, right now, in this moment in history, could be known
00:52:03.420for some of these particular besetting sins, and we should not have a prejudice, we should not have
00:52:09.340a hatred, but we should be able to exercise a general discernment with love. That's a perfectly
00:52:16.320reasonable biblical position, while also simultaneously rejecting every single one of
00:52:22.140them as guilty by birth, by blood, for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. That, I don't believe,
00:52:30.140is a biblical principle. That's how I think we need to think about this particular topic. I hope
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