The NXR Podcast - CN Weekly - Is Blood Guilt A Biblical Principle？

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00:01:16.580 Today we're talking about blood guilt.

00:01:18.800 Is this actually a biblical principle?

00:01:20.920 The idea that a people, an entire family lineage, would be held guilty, not just by human courts,

00:01:29.620 but in the sight of God, in terms of the perfect, eternal, final judgment based off of what

00:01:36.940 their parents did or their great-great-great-grandparents.

00:01:40.440 Is blood guilt a biblical principle?

00:01:43.280 We're going to be using, in order to answer this question in the realm of theory, we're going to be using multiple case studies.

00:01:51.120 One of them will be looking at the Jews and what they famously said in response to Pontius Pilate when it came to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

00:02:01.420 Pilate, he washed his hands of the blood of Jesus. 0.52

00:02:05.420 Now, we know that in the eternal sense, even though he had this physical symbol, this sign

00:02:12.020 of, I'm not guilty for what happens to this man, well, he still made that decision.

00:02:17.140 We even have in our historic creed, such as the Apostles' Creed, he was crucified under

00:02:22.800 Pontius Pilate.

00:02:24.560 So God did hold Pontius Pilate responsible, whether Pontius Pilate wanted to be responsible

00:02:30.020 or not.

00:02:30.820 But in response, the Jews, Pilate says, I find no guilt.

00:02:34.860 I find nothing wrong with this man. 0.51

00:02:36.940 What would you have me do to him? 1.00

00:02:39.240 The Jews are the ones who then cry out, crucify him.

00:02:43.220 And Pilate responds and says, well, the blood guilt is not on my hands. 0.88

00:02:47.580 The Jews then respond by saying, let his blood be on us and our children. 0.87

00:02:53.420 So that's one of the primary, premier case studies that we're going to be using to explore 0.90

00:02:58.280 and espouse this big macro principle and theory of blood guilt and whether or not it actually is a

00:03:06.000 biblical principle. A couple verses right out of the gate to kind of whet your appetite to get you

00:03:10.860 thinking biblically about this idea. Numbers chapter 35 verse 33 through 34 says this,

00:03:16.320 you shall not pollute the land in which you live for blood pollutes the land. Murder, 0.65

00:03:23.760 sacrifice, human sacrifice. This pollutes the very land. It's not just the individual

00:03:29.580 who commits such a heinous crime, but the land itself, the people in a collective sense

00:03:36.400 will bear the guilt. It goes on in Numbers chapter 35 verse 34, no atonement can be made for the land

00:03:44.400 for the blood that is shed in it, except by the blood of the one who shed it. So the way that you

00:03:52.320 make atonement, there's only one way, for the land to no longer be polluted and underneath God's

00:03:57.640 judgment because of bloodshed, the one who shed the blood has to have his blood shed in return.

00:04:05.620 In other words, capital punishment. The individual who committed the sin and crime of murder must be

00:04:12.440 put to death in order for the land to no longer be polluted, for it to be innocent and no longer

00:04:18.080 guilty under God. Deuteronomy chapter 19 verse 10 says, lest innocent blood be shed in your land,

00:04:25.580 and so the guilt of bloodshed be upon you. Now this doesn't say you and your descendants forever,

00:04:33.260 but upon you. And I want you to notice that theme as we're going. Numbers does say that there's a

00:04:38.940 collective sense, a corporate sense of guilt. The whole land is polluted, not just somebody's

00:04:44.560 0.3, you know, acre lot in their subdivision, but the whole land, in a national sense,

00:04:51.380 is actually underneath guilt. But that doesn't say in numbers that the land is going to be under

00:04:57.240 guilt forever. Deuteronomy 19.10 says that this bloodshed, this guilt associated with bloodshed,

00:05:04.380 murder, would be upon you, and I think that you could say, oh, a collective you might be in view

00:05:10.280 there, but a forever immutable, ongoing, perpetual you, that is still within question. Deuteronomy

00:05:17.980 chapter 22 verse 8 now says, when you build a new house, you shall make a parapet, a border

00:05:24.760 for your roof, that you may not bring the guilt of blood upon your house if anyone should fall

00:05:33.900 and die or be injured from it. It's your house, not necessarily your descendants perpetually.

00:05:41.240 Okay, last one here, Acts chapter 18, verses 5 and 6. When Silas and Timothy arrived from Macedonia,

00:05:48.980 Paul was occupied with the word, testifying to the Jews that the Christ was, in fact, Jesus.

00:05:56.880 Jesus was the Messiah, the anointed one, Christ. Verse 6, and when they opposed and reviled him,

00:06:03.800 that is Paul, he shook out his garments and said to them, your blood be on your own heads.

00:06:12.280 I am innocent. All right, so the guilt of rejecting the Messiah, rejecting the Christ,

00:06:18.280 is your guilt, not mine. And he also doesn't say, and your descendants perpetually, but it's your

00:06:25.060 guilt. You're the ones who rejected the Messiah. The guilt of rejecting the Messiah, let it be on

00:06:30.560 your own heads. I am innocent. From now on, I will go to the Gentiles. The big idea is this.

00:06:38.180 Corporate guilt. There is a biblical principle of corporate guilt. When it comes to the final,

00:06:45.220 eternal judgment, each man, woman, and child will have to stand before the Lord and be judged by

00:06:52.800 his own merit. And ultimately, the only way that anyone passes through that final judgment

00:06:58.100 is by faith in Jesus. It's the works of Jesus, his righteousness being attributed to your account

00:07:06.080 through faith, by grace through faith. But that's an individual basis. You will not inherit eternal

00:07:12.960 life and pass through the judgment because of your parents' faith or your grandparents' faith.

00:07:18.220 Likewise, on the flip side, you will not be eternally condemned before God while having

00:07:23.740 faith in Jesus because your parents did not have faith, all right? So unbelief of someone else in

00:07:30.760 your lineage, in your ancestry, will not condemn you. Likewise, faith in your ancestry will not

00:07:37.920 exonerate you. It will not commend you before God. When it comes to God's final, perfect, eternal

00:07:45.900 judgment, the Bible is pretty clear that that is on an individual basis. But here's the big idea.

00:07:52.600 There are, throughout human history, we see it in biblical history in the Old Testament,

00:07:57.000 we see it in the New Testament, and we have also seen it throughout God's providence these

00:08:02.080 last 2,000 years in church history, there is something to be said for collective judgments,

00:08:08.440 individual judgment when it comes to the eternal judgment, standing before God at the end of your

00:08:14.500 life, but collective judgments when it comes to temporal judgments on a nation, on a people

00:08:22.000 throughout history. That's what we're going to be exploring, and we're going to be seeking to

00:08:26.960 answer this question in the macro, theoretically, in principle, but also in particular case studies,

00:08:33.540 such as the Jews responding to Pilate at the crucifixion of Jesus, let his, Jesus' blood,

00:08:41.860 be on us and our children. I'll give you a hint ahead of time. A lot of us like to quote that 0.75

00:08:47.320 and say, well, the Jews said, let his blood be on us and our children forever. That last word 0.98

00:08:53.160 forever is not actually in the text. All right. That's what we'll be discussing. Tune in now.

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00:10:43.360 Wes, go ahead and lead us with some thoughts.

00:11:01.520 There is an incredible quote by the World War I German historian Ernst Younger in which he said,

00:11:07.040 Blood is the fuel that is consumed by the metaphysical flame of destiny.

00:11:11.620 We as moderns tend to think in materialistic terms.

00:11:14.940 We hear the word blood and we think of, oh, hemoglobin and red blood cells and white blood cells.

00:11:19.380 And technically, if you lose this amount of liters and this amount of time, well, you've lost your life and that's it.

00:11:25.040 Older men, older generations thought of blood as something much more different.

00:11:29.380 I can quote Lord of the Rings as a great example.

00:11:31.100 I do not know what strength lies within my blood.

00:11:33.860 I read King Arthur with my son for a number of nights telling the story of the knights of old England.

00:11:38.460 and they often spoke of the blood that ran through someone's vein, a prince or a young king

00:11:43.440 that carried on with his father in continuity, his rulership. And so there's an older conception

00:11:48.580 of blood that is a, it's not just merely materialistic, but it's almost metaphysical

00:11:53.260 in a sense. It carries along properties. It carries along virtues. So he's courageous like

00:11:58.480 his father was. It carries along sometimes defects of character. It carries with it meaning. Even in

00:12:05.040 the Old Testament, God says, you're not going to drain the blood or boil it in its mother's milk,

00:12:10.500 for example, kind of pulling two passages here. A kid, in this case, kid being a baby goat,

00:12:15.500 not a human child, but you shall not boil a kid, baby goat, in its mother's milk,

00:12:21.920 but also blood. You can't eat anything that's been strangled or given to blood.

00:12:28.580 Because it says the life is in the blood. And so we talk about blood guilt. We're not far out of

00:12:34.000 left field to say, is there something carried along in individuals, in lineages, in nations,

00:12:39.540 a family writ large, that carries with them some level of guilt? And we have to be very careful to

00:12:43.740 distinguish, because we are the same people that just a year ago did an episode called

00:12:47.520 The Gospel Changes Genetics. And we went into how you live impacts your children and your

00:12:53.400 grandchildren and whole communities of people shaped by the same thing, shaped by the same

00:12:57.860 worship, shaped by the same war, shaped by the same famine, that those have effects down the line

00:13:02.940 that you can actually look at their DNA, you could look at their blood, and you could say,

00:13:06.640 yeah, I can see that effect. These people are given to diabetes, for example, Native Americans 0.99

00:13:11.120 who lived off the tax dollars of the U.S. government who felt bad for them. They are 0.96

00:13:16.080 now genetically predisposed to diabetes as a consequence of the indulgence and sloth of their

00:13:22.240 fathers. Yeah, and let me just take a moment real quick for those of you guys who have not watched

00:13:26.100 that episode that we did probably a little over a year ago at this point. The gospel changes

00:13:31.020 everything, including genetics. Here's the long and short of it. I understand that this is 0.98

00:13:35.780 controversial, but this is the best way to say it. I'm not trying to be unreasonable or an

00:13:41.340 unnecessary edgelord. I want to use this speech not because it's jarring, but because it's clear.

00:13:47.680 It makes the point clearly. And here's the big idea. Every single major worldview, and especially

00:13:55.220 as it pertains to religions, every major world religion, be it true, as Christianity is exclusively,

00:14:02.920 or false, like Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc., Judaism, every major world religion,

00:14:10.380 it can't be summed up as though this is all it is, certainly not, but every major world religion,

00:14:16.800 worldview, contains, among many things, it contains within it a eugenics program.

00:14:23.320 I understand that that's a very charged word. Here's the big idea. When it comes to eugenics, 0.76

00:14:30.180 like many things, it's not whether, but which. It's not whether you will have eugenics. It's

00:14:36.940 which eugenics you will have. There are eugenic programs that are vile, malicious, wicked in the 0.99

00:14:46.200 sight of God. It is malice and hatred toward your fellow man, and it is indicting, morally

00:14:55.180 indicting before the sight of God. So eugenics, 99% of the time, I would say, is wicked. Let me 0.93

00:15:06.180 give you a couple examples. You can search through history. You can search when it comes to Germany

00:15:11.160 at a particular time. But let's be honest, Margaret Sanger, here in the United States,

00:15:18.240 Hitler got some of his ideas from us. It's not like Hitler was just doing this on his own.

00:15:23.940 We were doing it too. Here's a negative example, something that is incredibly immoral in the

00:15:30.260 eugenics category, forced sterilizations, right? That somebody goes into a surgery, 0.94

00:15:38.340 they're put under anesthesia it is against their volition they don't actually consent to it and

00:15:45.440 the doctor because that person is a minority ethnicity or a particular economic class that

00:15:53.440 is poor and seen as less than the doctor takes the liberty of removing their appendix you know 0.96

00:15:59.920 the thing they came in for and while we're at it will also tie your tubes those kinds of things

00:16:07.100 that is wrong. When I say that every major religion or worldview contains within it a

00:16:13.280 eugenics program, this is what I'm talking about. Religion speaks not only to higher things, 0.98

00:16:20.680 heavenly things, eternal things, spiritual things, but also the practical everyday

00:16:25.740 manners of life. For instance, religion has a lot to say about diet. What do you eat?

00:16:33.740 right? The Bible has a lot to say about what you're allowed to eat and what you're not allowed

00:16:38.900 to eat, so that would be in Christian literature, that would be in Jewish literature, the Torah,

00:16:44.540 and that's expanded, Mishnah and the Talmud, and gets even more particular, even more specific.

00:16:50.280 It's also in Hinduism, right? There are nations that eat cows, there are nations, religions,

00:16:56.220 peoples who worship cows. It's in Buddhism, it's in all these major world religions. They have

00:17:03.280 something to say, not just about your spiritual well-being, but also your physical diet. Here's

00:17:09.980 another one. Marriage. Who are you allowed to marry? Somalians, for instance. The average IQ

00:17:16.740 of Somalia is very low. I believe it's around 69. That doesn't mean this is a general truth. Here's 1.00

00:17:23.900 the thing about general truths. General truths are not universally true, but they are generally

00:17:28.720 true. Are there exceptions? Of course there are exceptions, but there's still a general truth.

00:17:34.000 What are the reasons why Somalia's IQ is so low? Well, religion plays a big part in that. Islam 1.00

00:17:41.800 plays a big part in that, as opposed, in contradiction to Christianity, that has to do

00:17:47.020 with diet. It also has to do with marriage. You can look it up. It's easily found. This is a proven

00:17:53.080 in fact, this is history. I'm not trying to be unnecessarily demeaning, but Somalians at a much 1.00

00:17:59.780 higher rate than other peoples throughout the world have been incestual, have married very 0.83

00:18:08.000 close relatives, whether it be a brother or a sister. In this case, yeah, I'm thinking about

00:18:15.520 Ilhan Omar a little bit. She comes to top of mind, you know, but a second cousin, a first cousin,

00:18:22.240 these kinds of things. When you think of the Old Testament in biblical literature,

00:18:26.980 there are many dietary restrictions, but there are also restrictions on marriage.

00:18:31.820 There are restrictions about you can't marry someone who is too closely related to you,

00:18:36.380 uncovering your father's nakedness by marrying your mother, you know, or your sister's nakedness.

00:18:44.560 The biblical impetus as it comes to marriage also forbids, in most cases, not all, but in most cases, 0.91

00:18:53.300 marrying to someone who's too distantly related, the foreigner.

00:18:57.480 Now, the main focus and view there when it comes to marrying the foreigner is their religious fidelity,

00:19:04.700 that the foreigner, it is assumed more often than not, is someone who worships pagan gods.

00:19:10.560 gods. But nonetheless, the practical results for Old Covenant Israel is that they're eating a very 0.94

00:19:17.420 strict diet. They're not marrying someone who's too closely related or too distantly related.

00:19:23.500 Here's a third component, and there's much more, but just to sum it up, third component is justice,

00:19:29.460 criminal justice, particularly as it pertains to capital punishment. What do you do with the

00:19:35.740 deviance among your society. Those who do not just sins or even crimes, but despicable and

00:19:45.120 heinous crimes that the Bible, that God's Word, would deem as capital crimes, meriting capital

00:19:51.900 punishment. Well, in applying capital punishment to capital crimes, one of the effects of that,

00:19:58.400 practically speaking, is that that person's lineage is cut off. Their line is cut off.

00:20:04.220 They're no longer going to procreate and have, you know, posterity and all these descendants. 0.98

00:20:11.220 And so if you have some people who are particularly rebellious among you, I think of Achan.

00:20:17.440 When it comes to Old Testament Israel under Joshua, Achan and his family participated in taking some of the gold and the treasures that were supposed to be fully devoted to the Lord. 0.51

00:20:31.220 And it's not just Achan, but his whole family is cut off from Israel.

00:20:37.000 And so they're no longer, that line that was particularly rebellious is now no longer a

00:20:42.960 part of the gene pool.

00:20:44.980 So this idea that the gospel changes everything, to say it a little bit more particularly,

00:20:50.920 it's really that religion affects everything, whether it's the gospel of Jesus Christ, the

00:20:56.080 true religion, Christianity, or a false religion even, because every major world religion speaks

00:21:02.000 to diet, it speaks to marriage, it speaks to procreation, and it speaks to capital punishment 0.68

00:21:07.760 and capital crimes. And all that over not 15 minutes, but multiple consecutive generations

00:21:14.140 over the course of many years, centuries even, is going to shape a people not just spiritually,

00:21:20.260 but also physically, biologically, genetically. It's going to affect their strength, their health,

00:21:27.040 even their IQ. And so we have to recognize that these things are simply inevitable. So that goes

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00:23:03.100 And so we very carefully distinguish between practical consequences and then carried along

00:23:09.740 guilt. And it's kind of analogous actually to salvation. In justification, we as Protestants

00:23:15.280 hold that there is a declaration of righteousness that is made over the sinner, even though he has

00:23:20.700 not yet become as righteous as he will be. And so there's a category in which it's somewhat

00:23:26.280 disconnected. Luther even described as being simultaneously a sinner and just. But there's a

00:23:31.720 legal declaration that he is guilt-free. And then the process of sanctification is what makes him

00:23:37.680 that. And you could liken that to the physical temporal consequences. In this case, a good

00:23:41.620 example. He's legally, categorically not guilty, that guilt is not carried along with him, and then

00:23:47.440 he becomes what it is. So then in the same way with bloodlines, we say, no, there actually are

00:23:52.460 temporal consequences that will elevate a family, elevate a group of people, elevate a nation,

00:23:57.720 or detract from them. But as a separate category that we distinguish from, then individually,

00:24:03.680 there's a specific category of guilty or not guilty, and that basis is not directly tied to

00:24:08.640 what they are in their blood. It's not tied to their IQ. It's not tied to their bloodline.

00:24:12.680 It's tied to personal faith in Jesus, and being able to distinguish between the two 0.87

00:24:17.160 helps you to not be retarded, helps you to be able to say certain people will be marked with 0.89

00:24:22.220 certain patterns of behavior, and those patterns matter. There's a family in West Virginia that is 0.90

00:24:26.700 so inbred, a white family, that they can only communicate with clicks and gurgles. They are 1.00

00:24:31.760 nonverbal. Does that matter? Does that make it hard to preach the gospel? Absolutely. That inbreeding

00:24:37.220 had terrible effects on them. Now, still, spiritually, they're each individually a soul

00:24:42.880 crafted in the image of God, potentially degraded by the sin that happened over here,

00:24:46.920 but still standing as individuals, not necessarily guilty because of their low IQ. So this category

00:24:53.100 matters, but it doesn't bring along with it wholesale condemnation that judges whole bloodlines

00:24:58.480 and makes them irredeemable. Right, so on the individual basis, even individual members of that

00:25:03.960 family that has been so far degraded by their choice of incest over multiple generations,

00:25:10.380 individuals among them, if it be according to the sovereign will of God, could be ordained for

00:25:16.340 salvation and therefore declared righteous on the basis of Jesus' perfect merit, his life, death,

00:25:22.540 and resurrection, attributed not by works of man so that no man can boast, but through faith,

00:25:28.260 individually speaking, in terms of eternal judgment, they could be declared righteous,

00:25:33.300 innocent. But collectively and temporally speaking, there is a judgment that has been

00:25:39.740 attached even for multiple generations because of a certain wicked behavior. This is something that

00:25:46.840 we can see illustrated before our eyes in terms of just experience and observation. It's also

00:25:54.520 a principle that we can find to varying degrees within the scripture. Although there is a part

00:26:01.680 of this idea of temporal and collective blood guilt that I think is wrong in terms of it

00:26:09.740 continuing to perpetrate again and again and again for posterity from a particular family

00:26:17.120 or people or tribe after the sin was committed. So it's like one generation commits the sin,

00:26:24.280 but the blood guilt, temporal consequences remain for all their lineage long after the sin was

00:26:31.640 committed, multiple generations after the fact. I actually think that the Bible teaches against

00:26:36.700 that. And so the modern conception of blood guilt, I actually do think is wrongheaded. And we'll talk

00:26:43.180 more about that and why in just a moment. But I want to take a second here and remind you of our

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00:30:01.940 All right?

00:30:02.720 Great.

00:30:03.220 Yeah.

00:30:03.380 Before we, I know you were going to go into an explanation in terms of the modern conception of blood guilt and why it's wrongheaded.

00:30:09.240 I wanted to just add something that strikes me when I think about blood guilt or the concept of blood guilt, biblically speaking, which is covenantalism in one word.

00:30:19.200 It's the fact that in the Old Testament, we see consistently God mediating blessings, mediating curses, not only with the nation of Israel, but also with pagan nations.

00:30:29.320 I'm thinking of the Canaanite nations, I'm thinking of Babylon.

00:30:32.540 In various cases, we see judgments upon these nations.

00:30:36.300 And in a lot of ways, it's blood guilt.

00:30:38.940 I think you could summarize it by saying one man acts and many, many are implicated by that.

00:30:44.760 So that's just a concept of federal headship.

00:30:47.080 It's the concept that you would have a king or a ruler, and he would make some decision

00:30:50.860 by which the people that are under his authority are implicated.

00:30:54.900 It somehow affects them.

00:30:56.160 He's made poor judgments, and they're affected by those poor judgments.

00:30:59.320 And so in the way that we see God making covenants with nations, we see this across time.

00:31:07.200 I think it's actually relatively straightforward in that interpretation to say that God is making covenants with nations.

00:31:15.280 And nations and the rulers of those nations, by making poor decisions or making good decisions or making righteous decisions,

00:31:22.200 they are implicating the people that are under their care.

00:31:25.760 The same thing goes for a household, for example.

00:31:27.800 a father is the head of his household. If a father makes a bad decision, let's say he decides

00:31:32.560 to move to a neighborhood that's dangerous, move to a neighborhood that doesn't have a good church,

00:31:36.400 all of these things implicate the children, and as a consequence, the children suffer from that.

00:31:40.800 And to your point, Wes, earlier, they don't only suffer temporally, but that actually the

00:31:46.420 consequences of sin, the consequences of poor decisions can carry through time, and they can

00:31:50.620 permeate. And then I guess, likewise, going back to the concept of salvation, certainly there is a

00:31:56.980 very true sense in which salvation is individual, but we still have Christ in salvation as our

00:32:02.800 federal head. He has acted, we are implicated, we are justified by his act eternally. And so

00:32:09.000 when you think about it like that, I actually, it's really tough, I think, to struggle with the

00:32:13.820 concept of blood guilt, the idea that we are both individual and corporate, and that God has

00:32:18.740 mediated blessings and curses in both ways, right? And it's like not either or, it's both and,

00:32:25.060 that both things are happening at the same time

00:32:27.300 and the relationship between the two.

00:32:29.160 I think actually even today,

00:32:30.500 we talk about biology and okay,

00:32:32.380 like how exactly is this mediated materialistically?

00:32:35.600 I think it's still a mystery,

00:32:37.120 but whether it's alcoholism or the concept of,

00:32:41.220 okay, my father's an alcoholic

00:32:42.300 and I was in an environment where there's alcoholism.

00:32:44.660 Now, is that blood guilt

00:32:46.240 or is the consequences of my father's sin,

00:32:48.560 is it mediated through the materials?

00:32:51.260 Is it mediated through some genetic mutation

00:32:53.760 or whatever the case is?

00:32:54.880 Or is it the environmental? And I actually don't think, I think the concept of blood guilt isn't even directly trying to tease out which it is. I mean, historically speaking, it would just be the idea that blood is more than the material. It's the idea that you have some sociological narrative, some cultural narrative that has, you know, carries on through your people, carries on through your progeny, etc.

00:33:20.180 And so I just wanted to add that before we go into sort of, I think the modern conception is a little bit more warped, but I wanted to throw that in there, that idea of covenantalism.

00:33:28.900 Super helpful.

00:33:30.580 I've got a big thought in rounding out this episode because I've kind of yet to give my final answer on this subject.

00:33:38.400 And so you definitely want to stay tuned because I've thought about it a lot.

00:33:42.140 But Wes, it seemed like you were going to say something in response to Antonio.

00:33:45.120 Going to apply it to the modern Jews and, again, caution against, 0.95

00:33:48.380 when you make these ironclad categories, guilty, all of them, 1.00

00:33:51.820 without exception because they're descended from,

00:33:54.080 you have no wiggle room whatsoever, you have no framework 0.98

00:33:57.000 for accounting for the individuals that leave Judaism

00:34:00.300 and genuinely convert to Christianity.

00:34:02.200 That's right.

00:34:02.440 What you have to adopt is this skepticism of everyone,

00:34:05.360 and you're skeptical to the nth degree.

00:34:06.900 By blood.

00:34:08.620 Yes, skepticism by blood.

00:34:10.000 Because of their blood, they're guilty.

00:34:12.320 Huh.

00:34:12.420 and uh and so you have to be skeptical of them and skepticism is not a great foundation for

00:34:18.680 relationships now being wise and discerning is but if you're just going to be skeptical of someone

00:34:23.860 because of who their parents were and have no category for someone genuinely saying i don't

00:34:28.700 want to be like that well i'm going to be honest you kind of live in a fantasy world there are

00:34:32.540 children whose fathers were the worst alcoholics and they've come out and they are upstanding young

00:34:37.060 men people buck the record people buck the trend now not all of them that's why it's called the

00:34:41.980 trend that's why it's called an average but if you have no category for that you're just going

00:34:45.720 to live in a very simplified world and honestly people aren't going to take you very seriously

00:34:49.780 you're going to show up at a party and you're going to start ranting about the jews and it's

00:34:53.620 all of them and it's this side or the other and people kind of go this guy doesn't understand

00:34:57.740 the world this guy's never interacted with other people versus saying hey here's the general

00:35:01.900 pattern but i've known him yeah and practically that's just what we would call charity i think

00:35:07.140 interpersonally it's the idea that you can meet someone you can know where they're from and

00:35:10.700 And you can, as a consequence of knowing where they're from and knowing who their family is, et cetera, you can have some inclination of like, okay, they'll have proclivities toward this or they'll have proclivities toward that.

00:35:20.460 But charity comes in and says, but I'd like to believe that they don't.

00:35:24.580 I like to believe that.

00:35:25.960 Don't break out the hard liquor around your Irish friend, you know, like maybe the Guinness. 1.00

00:35:30.320 Yeah, that they're going to exercise some break from the negative or harmful proclivities they have.

00:35:35.940 And that's where charity interpersonally, I think, comes in and it helps kind of facilitate relations with, you know, different peoples, et cetera.

00:35:43.340 But that's a really good point.

00:35:44.820 So, Wes, you said something really insightful.

00:35:47.140 You said it's going to force you.

00:35:49.460 The effect is that you're going to live in a fantasy land. 0.73

00:35:52.040 And to put just a little bit more meat on the bones, it's not just a fantasy land, but to be more particular, you're going to be living in an anti-Christian land. 0.55

00:36:01.520 Because the category that you're not leaving room for is the category of redemption.

00:36:05.940 that God actually does change and redeem people.

00:36:10.340 And so you're not allowing for that.

00:36:12.460 And so this is kind of like my final answer on the topic.

00:36:16.480 Thinking in categories, walking and chewing gum at the same time,

00:36:20.440 we need to bifurcate.

00:36:22.180 And what we need to be able to do is bifurcate collective blood guilt indefinitely,

00:36:28.760 which I do not believe is a biblical principle,

00:36:30.880 versus collective patterns of behavior generally. Okay, so collective blood guilt perpetually and

00:36:41.680 universally, each and every single individual belonging to this person's posterity, this

00:36:48.520 lineage, this nation, this ethnicity, this tribe, this tongue, every single one of them universally,

00:36:55.080 each and every single individual, it's universal and it's perpetual, it's indefinite.

00:37:00.000 All of them and all their posterity forever are guilty because back down the line, if you trace

00:37:09.360 up their ancestry upstream, a bunch of them at one time did a terrible thing. I do not believe

00:37:16.860 that that's a biblical principle. However, the general category or the general principle of

00:37:23.580 certain patterns and behaviors among a particular people, this is something that we've spoken of

00:37:29.040 numerous times, and this, I believe, is something that's justified both by our experience and by

00:37:35.320 history and also by Scripture. So this is not a universal truth. It's also not an indefinite,

00:37:42.660 perpetual truth, but it is something that is generally true at any given moment, and it's

00:37:49.020 something that is not universally true. There will always be exceptions. Also, it's not something that

00:37:54.480 is perpetually true. It is something that could change over time. The Cretans were not destined

00:38:01.320 to be lazy beasts, drunkards, liars, gluttons forever. That is generally true of the Cretans 0.99

00:38:13.880 at the time that Paul reads one of their own prophets and affirms it. He says, one of your

00:38:18.960 own prophet said this about you and your people. And then Paul responds right after saying that

00:38:25.080 and says, and this is true. However, remember that same apostle Paul who wrote that under the

00:38:31.260 inspiration of the Holy Spirit begins this particular New Testament book of the Bible,

00:38:36.120 the book, the letter written to Titus, one of his sons in the faith. He starts that book by saying,

00:38:41.720 for this purpose, I have left you in Crete among the Cretans to do what? To put what remains into

00:38:48.480 order appointing elders in all the churches. Well, where's Titus going to find these men who

00:38:54.220 are qualified? Because then Paul goes on in Titus chapter 1 to list very high character and

00:38:59.860 competency qualifications, requirements for who can be an elder, a pastor, a minister in these

00:39:06.000 churches. So where does the Apostle Paul, who says on the one hand, one of your own prophets

00:39:11.980 It said that all of you guys are lazy beasts and gluttons and drunkards. 1.00

00:39:16.640 And this is true. 1.00

00:39:17.940 He was right when he said that.

00:39:19.540 So the Apostle Paul who thinks that on the one hand, why in the world would he leave Titus to seemingly find Cretans, right?

00:39:28.240 That's the obvious implication. 0.91

00:39:29.600 Where's he going to find these elders, these biblically qualified men? 0.93

00:39:32.940 In Crete, the Isle of Crete. 0.99

00:39:35.140 Well, he's going to find them among the Cretans.

00:39:36.660 So Paul is saying something that's generally true, not as perpetual universal blood guilt,

00:39:42.140 but generally true temporarily and generally in terms of patterns and behaviors, markers,

00:39:50.840 characteristics of behavior.

00:39:52.400 He's saying this is generally true of the Cretans. 1.00

00:39:54.220 The Cretans, in general, they kind of suck. 0.96

00:39:57.840 However, by sheer virtue of leading Titus, leaving him in the Isle of Crete to appoint 0.98

00:40:04.420 elders in Cretan churches with Cretan pastors, what Paul is also implicitly saying is, in general, 0.99

00:40:12.600 the Cretans currently suck. However, given time and the little bit of leaven that works through 0.98

00:40:19.140 the whole batch of dough and the work of the gospel over generations, the Cretans don't always 0.99

00:40:23.520 have to suck. Currently, they suck. Universally, every single one of them without exception? No. 1.00

00:40:29.200 but generally and temporally, generally and temporally, the Cretans aren't doing so hot,

00:40:36.840 but perpetually and universally, no, this can change. And even the general characteristics

00:40:42.920 that currently define the Cretans, that can change from negative to positive given enough time and

00:40:49.360 given the potency of the gospel. If people are repenting of their sins and believing in the

00:40:54.380 Lord Jesus Christ. Final idea that I want to mention on this topic of blood guilt, notice all

00:40:59.800 the texts that I read in the cold open at the beginning, outside of the episode, the guilt is

00:41:05.280 resting not so much on the people, although I think that by proxy, that's true, by proxy.

00:41:13.760 But in terms of the direct subject that the guilt is resting on, it's not the people, but in all

00:41:20.780 these texts, predominantly it's upon the land. So here's the idea. You could be from a particular

00:41:28.920 people in a particular time, in a particular place, that your immediate ancestors, your mother 0.82

00:41:35.900 and father preceding generation has done wicked and heinous things. And if we go back to those

00:41:41.100 texts that I read, the main thing in question here is murder. It's the shedding of man's blood.

00:41:46.620 So your immediate ancestors, your father, your mother, their generation, not each and every

00:41:54.140 individual, but in general, they did something bad, like to make it really applicable for our

00:42:00.980 American context. Let's just say that you're Gen X, millennial, Gen Z, and the boomers

00:42:06.940 murdered, I don't know, it's hypothetical, I'm sure, but like 70 million babies in their

00:42:13.320 mother's womb. Would there be a blood guilt associated with that, biblically speaking?

00:42:18.200 The answer is yes. Would that blood guilt mean that all of the preceding generations in a

00:42:24.600 universal capacity, each and every individual among them, and perpetually every generation

00:42:30.280 that comes after them forever, that they're all held in the sight of God as guilty for the sins

00:42:36.740 of the boomers? No. But is there a general corporate guilt and judgment on the land 0.91

00:42:44.940 because of the shedding of blood of innocent children in their mother's womb by a generation 0.85

00:42:51.240 that murdered them by the millions? Like, could we say that right now at this point of time, 0.72

00:42:56.460 that there is a blood guilt on the land of these United States, that there is a particular

00:43:03.020 judgment on the land, that perhaps one of the reasons that we're being invaded and overtaken 0.75

00:43:09.340 by foreigners might be one of the mechanisms of God's judgment, right? It's its own foolishness, 1.00

00:43:17.400 it's its own treason, but even that, even though it's this crazy, untethered immigration policy, 0.95

00:43:29.480 even though that's its own sin, could that sin be a compounding effect, consequence of this

00:43:38.820 greater sin, a little further upstream, namely abortion? I think that the answer is yes. Now,

00:43:46.600 what does that mean? Does that mean that every single millennial and Gen X and Gen Z is guilty

00:43:51.820 eternally in the sight of God for all the acts of abortion by the millions in preceding decades?

00:43:59.960 No. You can be a millennial who is a Christian who loves the Lord Jesus Christ. You denounce

00:44:07.700 abortion as a wicked sin and crime. You believe that it should be abolished, and God does not 0.99

00:44:14.220 hold you guilty. However, if you're an American, you still live in a land that has a certain guilt

00:44:22.160 attached until when? What's the turning point? Until that shedding of blood has been atoned for.

00:44:30.920 And I think that one of the ways to atone for it, the ideal way, is actual biblical justice being 0.53

00:44:37.800 carried out by a nation through its civil magistrate, that we actually abolish abortion

00:44:43.380 and attached to the sin and crime, it's both a sin and a crime of abortion, we label that,

00:44:51.980 categorize that as a capital crime that merits capital punishment, so that those who commit

00:44:58.160 abortion would receive, their blood would be shed for the shedding of other blood. That's one way

00:45:04.780 to cleanse the land from this blood guilt, to atone for that crime, that sin. Here's another

00:45:10.640 way, though. What if we're not able to abolish abortion, not indefinitely, but let's say in the 0.76

00:45:18.300 next 10, 15 years, and the boomers get to have committed abortion, seen abortion, row, come into 0.82

00:45:28.160 play in their lifetime under their watch. Granted, they were young, 20s, you know, some of them 0.57

00:45:34.440 teenagers. But under their watch, abortion came in mass in America, and they ushered it in with 0.75

00:45:43.660 peace and free love and the sexual revolution, wanting to have sex untethered without any

00:45:50.600 consequence, including pregnancy. And so they ushered in abortion, and we never really got 0.55

00:45:57.780 the legislation that would be just according to biblical law for punishing those who commit 0.90

00:46:03.640 abortion and the boomers get to live a long life to 85, 90 years old and go on all their cruises 0.87

00:46:10.000 and spend all their money and not give it as an inheritance to any of their children or 0.86

00:46:14.360 grandchildren and die of old age. Well, now they're gone. They can't be justly punished anymore,

00:46:22.340 at least not temporally here on earth. God will get perfect justice in the life to come.

00:46:27.320 So then is America just screwed? The land is going to be under a curse forever? No, I truly believe that even with it being old age, that it's the death.

00:46:41.400 Once that generation has passed away, the judgment lifts, and if preceding generations

00:46:49.640 don't commit the same sins and crimes as the preceding generation, if we, in future generations,

00:46:58.140 we say, no, that was a mistake, that was heinous in the sight of God, that was wrong, we're going 0.98

00:47:03.680 to abolish abortion, we're not going to have preceding generations, millennials, Gen Z,

00:47:09.200 Gen Alpha be pro-abortion, we're going to stand for the sanctity and the dignity of human life 0.98

00:47:14.460 from the moment of conception, we're going to pass new laws and new procedures, and the boomers 1.00

00:47:19.700 never actually get punished and poorly on earth, but they still die off, then I believe that at 1.00

00:47:26.060 that point that the curse lifts. And so it's not a blood guilt for the descendants, the people,

00:47:32.000 but it's a blood guilt on the land. It's the land being under a curse. So right now, I believe

00:47:37.280 that the land of America for abortion and also sodomy, but especially abortion, the shedding

00:47:42.900 of innocent blood, is under a curse of God. But that does not mean that every person living,

00:47:48.520 every individual person living in America is under a curse of God. So being able to bifurcate

00:47:54.620 blood guilt, where's the guilt rest? Is it all the people perpetually or is it on the land

00:48:02.740 temporally? When does that guilt leave? How can it be atoned for and absolved? And then being able

00:48:09.560 to hold all that and be able to say, okay, in that sense, blood guilt, the way that we think about it,

00:48:16.260 the way that it's frequently used in our modern depiction, blood guilt meaning forever, this

00:48:22.600 entire people, every single one of them, universally and perpetually forever, that is not, final answer

00:48:29.020 here. That's not a biblical idea, right? So when the Jews say, well, let Jesus' blood be on us and

00:48:34.720 our children, they actually don't say forever. That's actually not in the text. And so all Jewish

00:48:40.640 people, ethnically, everyone who's Ashkenazi, Sephardic, whatever, who has Jewish blood in

00:48:47.280 their veins, ethnically speaking, racially speaking, forever, even 2,000 years later, 0.98

00:48:52.800 is universally held guilty for the sin of that first century Jewish people crying out for the

00:49:00.420 crucifixion of Jesus is not actually a biblical idea. That's one thing. Again, categories bifurcating. 0.77

00:49:08.220 On the other hand, though, if a particular people has continued not murdering Jesus,

00:49:14.860 that's kind of a one-time deal, but continued in particular patterns, in particular behaviors,

00:49:20.920 not universally, but generally speaking, they continue to be subversive. They continue to be

00:49:27.300 deceptive. They continue to be greedy. They continue to this, that, and be rebellious,

00:49:33.160 continue not murdering Jesus in the flesh, which only happened once, can only happen once,

00:49:38.020 but they continue spiritually rejecting Jesus, for instance. Spiritually speaking, we still don't

00:49:44.140 believe that he's the Son of God. We still reject him as the Messiah. If that continues, it doesn't

00:49:49.460 give you blood guilt that is universal and perpetual, but it does give you what I like to

00:49:55.400 call the particular besetting sins of particular people. The particular besetting sins of particular

00:50:04.200 people. In the same way that the Cretans generally, not universally and not perpetually, but generally 0.99

00:50:10.920 and temporally were known, and the Apostle Paul affirms this, were known as being particularly

00:50:16.840 bent towards, a propensity towards particular sins such as gluttony, laziness, lying,

00:50:27.340 drunkards. In the same way that the Cretans could be known like that, I believe that peoples today

00:50:32.300 can be known like that. Particular peoples with particular strengths and particular besetting

00:50:38.180 sins. This is behavioral patterns. This is temporal. It doesn't change in a moment, 1.00

00:50:45.000 but it can change. The gospel can change this over time, throughout the years, throughout

00:50:50.620 generations. So it's temporal, these behavioral patterns, and it's also general. You will always

00:50:58.680 find exceptions. People among this tribe, among this ethnicity, who are converted and born again

00:51:06.000 and put their faith in Jesus. So blood guilt that is universal and perpetual, no.

00:51:11.480 pattern behaviors behavioral patterns that is temporal and general yes i think that's the way

00:51:21.120 to think about it so to say i believe that jewish people ethnically speaking even today

00:51:27.340 2 000 years removed from the death of christ are still generally speaking not every single stein

00:51:34.160 but every single time generally speaking for now because they're still it's not like they rebelled

00:51:40.260 2,000 years ago, and that was it. They've been rebelling this whole time against the Lord Jesus

00:51:44.820 and certain behavior. So I believe that Jewish people, ethnically speaking, in general, allowing

00:51:51.780 for exceptions, and temporal, meaning that this, by the power of the gospel, they could repent and

00:51:57.320 change in the future, generally speaking, right now, in this moment in history, could be known

00:52:03.420 for some of these particular besetting sins, and we should not have a prejudice, we should not have

00:52:09.340 a hatred, but we should be able to exercise a general discernment with love. That's a perfectly

00:52:16.320 reasonable biblical position, while also simultaneously rejecting every single one of

00:52:22.140 them as guilty by birth, by blood, for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. That, I don't believe,

00:52:30.140 is a biblical principle. That's how I think we need to think about this particular topic. I hope

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00:53:50.480 Tuesday is Dale Partridge, American Grit with Dale Partridge.

00:53:54.840 Wednesday is the NXR special with myself and a special guest who is live and in person in the

00:54:02.140 studio with me. We've done Nick Fuentes. We've done James Fishback. We've done Kongman. We've done

00:54:07.740 Alex Stein. We've done all sorts of different guys. We've got some big guests that are coming

00:54:13.520 up. That's Wednesday. Thursday is Calvin Robinson with The Next Crusade, 5 p.m. Eastern time.

00:54:20.800 And then lastly, on Fridays, we have Harrison Smith, Off Limits News, is the name of his show, every Friday at 5 p.m. Eastern Time.

00:54:29.440 So make sure to follow along and make sure to register for our conference, newchristianright.com forward slash conference.

00:54:38.680 The regular rate for this conference is going to be $250, which we think is, even that is a deal.

00:54:45.820 It's a three-day conference, November 12th, 13th, and 14th, with an all-star lineup in DFW.

00:54:53.960 Great venue, great location, great speakers, $250.

00:54:59.120 But if you register by May 31st, which is this coming Sunday, 1159 Eastern Time, 1159 PM Eastern Time, that's the hard cutoff, no exceptions.

00:55:11.700 If you register by then, it will not be $250.

00:55:14.700 It will not be $200.

00:55:16.600 It will not even be $175 or $150.

00:55:19.620 It will be a full 50% discount from $250 down to $1.25.

00:55:25.740 That is an incredible deal.

00:55:27.840 We've done the math, and we've got to get registrations after the early bird

00:55:32.240 because if we only sell the early bird, we would literally lose money on the conference.

00:55:37.460 That's how good of a deal this is.

00:55:39.460 We will be out of pocket.

00:55:40.680 So if you want to take advantage, you've got to go to newchristianright.com forward slash conference today.

00:55:48.720 Don't linger.

00:55:49.760 Don't procrastinate.

00:55:50.920 Get your ticket today.

00:55:52.240 The final thing is some of you guys, well, I don't know what's going to be going on.

00:55:55.940 That's six months away.

00:55:57.440 Here's the deal.

00:55:58.880 You will be able—I haven't mentioned this yet, but it's worth mentioning—you will be able to transfer your tickets.

00:56:04.840 right? So a work trip came up, or I got sick, or all these things that are, we're finite. We can't

00:56:12.660 foresee. We're not omniscient. I understand. And you're like, yeah, $1.25 is a great deal, but what

00:56:18.100 if I end up not going? $1.25 for the conference is great. $1.25 for nothing is not. Well, here's

00:56:24.480 the deal. You probably got a brother, a co-worker, a friend, a fellow church member, somebody who

00:56:31.720 will want to go to the conference. And if you find out slash when you find out that you're unable to

00:56:38.280 attend, you will be able to transfer that ticket. We're going to allow for transfers and we'll be

00:56:43.340 able to help you with that process to where they end up paying the buck 25. So now they get the

00:56:48.500 early bird discount, even if it's months from now, because you locked in and you get your $125 back.

00:56:54.980 So we'll give it back to you because we get it from them. So there's really no excuse. I know

00:57:00.000 I'm pressing a little bit hard, but we've got seven days left. The deadline is rapidly approaching

00:57:06.820 $125 for a phenomenal conference. And if something comes up and you can't attend,

00:57:12.620 you will be able to transfer your ticket. I promise you, you will find one person who wants

00:57:17.060 to go as we get closer to the event. And we're announcing more special guest speakers. And the

00:57:22.120 event is even better than it appears right now. We've got some surprises that we're keeping up

00:57:26.640 our sleeves. Other people are going to want to go two months from now, three months from now,

00:57:30.820 four months from now. And for you to be able to lock in this $125 price and be able to transfer

00:57:37.320 it to them for a steep discount, they're going to love that. So you will get in for a cheap price,

00:57:43.760 or you'll be able to bless somebody else, giving them that price and getting your money back.

00:57:48.440 There's no excuse. There's no reason not to do it. You know, you want to come. I want to go.

00:57:54.660 I want to meet you at the conference. Register today. God bless, and we will see you on Tuesday

00:58:00.220 with Dale Partridge.

00:58:24.660 Thank you.

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