The NXR Podcast - CN Weekly - James Lindsay, Samuel Sey, And My Own Personal Sin

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00:01:20.940 radical christian nationalist pastor joel webin joel webin joel webin joel webin is an accident

00:01:50.940 Today we're going to take a walk down memory lane. We're going to go ahead and rewind the tape and

00:01:55.560 show you guys the record of God's providence. It's not just happenstance, it's not just coincidence,

00:02:01.660 but God is sovereign over all things and these are things that God has done and we want to not

00:02:06.560 be vindictive. At the same time, we also don't want to be ingrates. The Bible actually says when

00:02:11.980 it lists certain sins that God hates and will ultimately send someone to the lake of fire,

00:02:17.720 One is being a coward. One is being effeminate. Another is being an ingrate. And so we want to 0.95

00:02:23.680 thank the Lord in today's episode and celebrate his providence, his faithfulness towards the

00:02:28.840 righteous in silencing the mouths of slanderers and the wicked. This is good and proper, and it 1.00

00:02:34.440 should be a regular Christian practice. If you don't do this, it doesn't make you righteous.

00:02:38.580 It actually makes you in sin. You need to celebrate and thank the Lord for his kindness

00:02:43.960 and his faithfulness to those who are speaking God's truth.

00:02:48.260 So we're going to rewind the tape and remind you guys of the record as it currently rests,

00:02:54.060 some of the things that have occurred over just the past few years.

00:02:57.500 Now, a quick disclaimer for a few of the boomers who may tune into this episode

00:03:01.580 and are akin to slander themselves.

00:03:04.720 I want to be very clear.

00:03:05.980 The Grim Reaper meme, which is one of the most common memes over the last decade on the internet,

00:03:12.860 every major social media platform from twitter to instagram to facebook and etc is not a literal

00:03:19.460 conveying message that says hey um i am wishing for someone's physical literal death it's talking

00:03:26.820 about um an organization or an individual or a company or whatever it is taking a big hit and

00:03:34.400 going under so we are not wishing for anyone's death we're not making any of those kinds of

00:03:39.280 claims. Anybody who says otherwise is blatantly slandering. I want to make that clear. But the

00:03:44.000 Grim Reaper meme, the reason I bring it up is because I brought it up in the past and because

00:03:49.360 it really accurately depicts what has been taking place over the past few years. So here we go.

00:03:55.640 Here's the record. A lot of you guys, you're new listeners, you won't even recognize some of these

00:03:59.620 names. But a lot of these names you will recognize. We're going to talk about Samuel Say. We're going

00:04:03.080 to talk about James Lindsay. And we're going to talk about some others. But let's start here.

00:04:07.500 Andy Woodard and Chris Williams, known as K-Dub, a Christian Reformed rapper.

00:04:13.820 Andy Woodard was a Reformed Christian pastor.

00:04:17.160 Also, Josh Bice, who was a Reformed Christian minister, pastor, and the head of, president of G3 Ministries,

00:04:24.140 which was a major Reformed Protestant ministry that rivaled and even, I think, topped,

00:04:30.840 This is, you know, in terms of attendance, the conference attendees and numbers that would turn out to John MacArthur's annual conference, which is called Shepherds Conference.

00:04:40.760 John MacArthur, on average, would have anywhere from 4,000, 5,000, even 5,500 people at his annual conference towards, you know, its peak in the latter years of John MacArthur's life and ministry.

00:04:52.000 G3, their final year of their conference, was 8,000.

00:04:55.300 I believe it was a little bit over 8,000 people in attendance.

00:04:58.360 We had this huge convention hall in downtown Atlanta.

00:05:00.340 and it was a big deal at the time. Really big deal, yeah. And another name that has soon been

00:05:05.880 forgotten, but some of you will remember, a man by the name of Tobias Reimenschneider, okay? So

00:05:11.300 these are some of the names. We'll start here, and I'll move quickly. Over the years, I've been

00:05:15.820 attacked. I'm reading here. This is something I tweeted out about a year ago, just showing a

00:05:20.640 little bit of a record so that people don't forget. Over the years, I've been attacked for

00:05:24.840 many things by many people, but four particular individuals stick out to me. Let's check and see

00:05:29.900 where they are today. Andy Woodard, very early on in my public ministry, this is long before I said

00:05:35.660 anything about race, long before I said anything about Israel, early on in my public ministry,

00:05:41.320 I published a book called Fight by Flight, and the Reformed pastor, Andy Woodard, took significant

00:05:48.060 issue with my position. In particular, he was a New York City pastor that would be without a

00:05:53.620 congregation if his parishioners actually took my advice. What I was arguing for in the book is that

00:05:59.540 Christians, not all, but many Christians, they want to be faithful in many of these familial and

00:06:06.580 practical areas of the Christian life, like getting married young, right? Rejoice in the

00:06:11.680 wife of your youth, always. So not delaying marriage and having not just, you know, 2.3 kids,

00:06:18.100 but having a quiver full, right? Children are a heritage from the Lord, not a burden, but a

00:06:22.580 blessing. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full. So if men, Christian men, choose to marry younger

00:06:28.540 and they choose to have multiple children and they choose not to use public schools,

00:06:32.920 especially in a progressive place like New York City,

00:06:36.100 and they're going to use a Christian school or a classical Christian school or homeschooling,

00:06:41.520 then they're not going to be able to depend on their wife for a second income,

00:06:45.060 especially if they homeschool. 0.99

00:06:46.360 Or they're going to have their wife maybe working part-time out of the home,

00:06:49.420 regardless of whether or not that's right or wrong,

00:06:51.480 but they're going to have this exorbitant bill of the tuition for the private Christian schools

00:06:56.460 that they're sending their children to.

00:06:58.540 That was the argument that I was making.

00:06:59.900 I was saying because of these things, political policy, economic policy, all these things, 1.00

00:07:04.460 there are many Christians, not all, but many Christians who probably should consider not 0.96

00:07:09.280 living in a blue city. 1.00

00:07:11.440 Not living in a blue city if they're wanting to practically obey the Lord, especially at

00:07:15.920 the family level.

00:07:17.000 They're going to tithe to their local church.

00:07:18.980 They're going to pay their taxes.

00:07:20.360 They're going to have several children.

00:07:21.580 They're going to get married young.

00:07:22.760 They're going to not use public schools. 0.72

00:07:24.260 they're going to have their wife, per Titus chapter 2, as a keeper at home, not working for

00:07:30.200 another man outside of the home, or at least not as her primary vocation. Andy Woodard hated that

00:07:36.580 book. And I just summed up the entire book. That's all it was. It was a short book, a glorified

00:07:41.160 pamphlet at best, about 100 pages in length, and that's pretty much all I argued in the book.

00:07:46.660 Andy Woodard, a Christian-reformed, ostensibly a conservative pastor, looked at the book,

00:07:54.260 that was literally just articulating biblical arguments,

00:07:56.940 the most practical, blatant ones in the Bible itself,

00:08:00.060 and said, this book has a lot of the Word of God in it,

00:08:04.240 and therefore I hate it.

00:08:05.740 So he made it his mission to slander and attack me publicly.

00:08:11.340 When he was unable to dissuade me,

00:08:13.300 he chose to simply post a sermon clip with no caption.

00:08:17.840 The clip was a short excerpt from a now infamous example

00:08:21.560 where I illustrated that the husband of a home has the patriarchal and practical authority

00:08:28.160 to tell his wife that she cannot do certain things, including even governing. 0.99

00:08:34.360 He shouldn't be domineering, he shouldn't be a jerk, 0.97

00:08:36.180 but he actually does have not just theoretical 17th dimension authority, 0.98

00:08:39.860 but practical, tangible authority over his wife when it comes to spiritually guarding her

00:08:45.480 from false teachers or even guys who are not heretical in a capital H technical sense,

00:08:53.260 but that he believes are unbiblical in their theological convictions. He can tell his wife,

00:08:58.020 I don't want you to read this book. So he plays a clip of me preaching that, which is

00:09:03.140 basic Christian practice. A husband has authority over his wife, and he absolutely can. Can you do

00:09:09.420 this in wrong ways. Can you be a jerk? Sure. But he absolutely can, and even it is commendable and 1.00

00:09:15.500 should at times say, no, sweetheart, I don't want you to read that book. And in this clip, I even

00:09:20.700 flesh it out further and say, you know, it may be a book that let's read together at a later point,

00:09:25.740 or I'd like to read it first. Annie Woodard took that clip from my sermon, no captions, out of

00:09:31.200 context, and tried to just basically rile up all the progressive feminists, aka, of course, 0.89

00:09:37.780 complementarian conservative women in reformed churches right progressive feminist complementarian

00:09:42.980 woman in reformed church corporate needs you to tell the difference between these two pictures

00:09:46.680 sadly it's the same picture they got uh infuriated and came after me the point of his tweet was clear

00:09:53.960 victory by any means possible even if it meant by character attacks the clip went viral and i

00:10:00.040 experienced significant hostility over it i neither regret the illustration from my sermon

00:10:05.000 nor apologize for his content, but at the time, it was wielded to attempt to do significant damage

00:10:11.560 from someone who had lost an internet spat. Now, if we check in on Andy Woodard today,

00:10:17.280 the story is extremely sad. In March of 2024, less than a year later, he filed for divorce

00:10:23.640 from his wife and left the church to struggle on in his wake. All right, now Josh Bice. The

00:10:29.980 disagreement with Andy Woodard broiled over into a larger disagreement on cultural Christianity.

00:10:35.000 And the good of Christian nationalism, in particular, a parachurch ministry known as G3 Ministries, famous for hosting conferences with big-named Reformed ministers, strongly opposed the idea of a Christian nation.

00:10:48.340 In particular, the president of G3 Ministries, Josh Bice, was extremely antagonistic.

00:10:55.320 In May of 2025, it was revealed that Josh Bice had been using alt accounts, while also, by the way, very hypocritically, he would say from his main account on social media that had his name, Josh Bice, if you're using anonymous accounts, you're in sin.

00:11:11.780 He would say that just blatantly.

00:11:13.360 And he had several anonymous accounts where he was leaking private information about faithful ministers.

00:11:19.880 I was only one of them.

00:11:21.020 He did this with Tom Askell.

00:11:22.520 He did this with Votie Bauckham.

00:11:23.800 within like a year of Votie Bauckham's death from his heart disease.

00:11:29.260 He was smearing Votie Bauckham saying that, well, Votie did this fundraiser

00:11:35.060 or his ministry or someone on his behalf did a fundraiser to help with hospital bills

00:11:39.420 and here's, I've looked it up, and here's how much it costs for this particular heart surgery

00:11:44.040 and here's how much they raised, what happened to the extra money?

00:11:47.120 And all this, again, from an anonymous account.

00:11:49.600 In May of 2025, it was revealed that Josh Bice was using these alt accounts to leak information about my personal past sin that had been confessed and repented of a decade prior.

00:12:01.220 At this point, it's been 13, 14 years.

00:12:03.020 He publicly and anonymously slandered numerous Christian leaders, including faithful pastors, several PMBC elders, that's his own fellow elders at his local church, and others, according to a statement by G3 Ministries itself.

00:12:19.600 Josh had even lied for years when confronted with the activity of these anonymous accounts, denying that they belonged to him.

00:12:29.280 Josh resigned from G3 in disgrace and no longer is an elder at his church.

00:12:34.560 The future of G3 remains unclear.

00:12:37.420 This is what I wrote at the time.

00:12:38.860 It's now very clear.

00:12:40.160 G3 folded because the elders of his church and board members of G3, turns out, they were doing the very same thing.

00:12:47.100 They had alt accounts and were writing anonymous letters to other competing churches.

00:12:52.620 Very sad, but they viewed as competing churches.

00:12:55.760 They would write letters anonymously to the elders of another church about the senior minister,

00:13:01.180 including things that were not truthful, clear, objective falsehoods,

00:13:06.480 trying to get other ministers dismissed from ministry wrongfully, slanderously, falsely.

00:13:14.820 So, G3, the verdict now is out.

00:13:17.320 The whole ministry, 8,000 people just a couple years ago at their conference.

00:13:21.300 Now the whole ministry doesn't even exist.

00:13:24.360 I mean, there were great Christians who were giving tens of thousands of dollars annually.

00:13:28.320 They said, we love the mission.

00:13:29.500 We love Reformed theology.

00:13:30.660 We want to see it in the hands of more people.

00:13:32.160 We want to see these conferences extolling the glory and the sovereignty of God and salvation.

00:13:36.600 And they gave tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars.

00:13:39.720 And now the furniture from the offices is being liquidated.

00:13:42.460 The fund's going who knows where.

00:13:43.620 the entire thing shuttered, including, I think, the church basically on its last leg.

00:13:47.760 Yep. So Andy Woodard, gone. Andy Woodard, by the way, if you're wondering, did he have any

00:13:52.620 associations at the time? He was one of the ponies picked by Michael O'Fallon. I was about to say,

00:13:57.600 there's a name that keeps coming up here with Josh Bice, with Andy Woodard. Michael O'Fallon

00:14:01.000 was on the board of G3 with Josh Bice. Michael O'Fallon personally took an interest in Andy

00:14:06.480 Woodard and was bringing him in at his conferences. Michael O'Fallon is behind a lot of this,

00:14:11.560 and you should be aware, including James Lindsay, which we'll get to as our feature presentation

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00:16:27.660 christian rapper around the same time youtube personality and self-professed reformed theology 0.86

00:16:32.480 teacher chris k dub williams viciously attacked me again this is before race this is before jews

00:16:39.200 this is before that this is k dub was coming after me i remember he made a video like ai video back

00:16:45.660 when ai was really bad of me and doug wilson and his big objection he was and he was smearing us

00:16:52.180 as heretical as wolves he used that terminology wolves that means false teachers going to hell

00:16:57.860 and leading others to hell this is before any of the controversial things i'm known for today

00:17:02.840 he this was literally on the on the sole basis of us having post-millennial eschatology

00:17:08.360 incredible right we agree with bb warfield we agree with arguably athanasius uh and he's 0.99

00:17:16.640 heretics, wolves, going to hell. So he viciously attacked me for stating in a sermon, here's another 0.88

00:17:23.860 one, that I was going to raise my children as Christians, recognizing that it is still in God's

00:17:30.340 sovereignty whether or not he chooses to save them. Chris accused me of heresy, and despite being shown

00:17:36.200 direct evidence to the contrary, he refused to recant his accusations. In May 2025, it was

00:17:42.120 revealed by Chris's church that he had fled church discipline, had left his wife and their adoptive

00:17:48.100 son, and was pursuing another woman that he had met online. Despite promising his wife and church

00:17:55.100 that he would cut ties with the woman, he went on to resume contact with her and filed for divorce.

00:18:02.720 Just two years prior, they had announced the adoption of a baby boy. Incredibly tragic story.

00:18:09.000 So Andy Woodard, filed for divorce, out of ministry, left his church, fleeing church discipline. 0.59

00:18:16.080 K-Dub, right, filed for divorce.

00:18:18.500 Josh Bice, disgraced from ministry.

00:18:20.700 Scott Aniel, disgraced from ministry.

00:18:22.640 G3, no longer exists.

00:18:24.780 Let's go on, Tobias Reimenschneider.

00:18:27.660 I understand many of you, nobody will remember his name.

00:18:30.680 You might have heard that phrase.

00:18:32.120 I was absolutely right.

00:18:34.340 Not trying to be vindictive, but I was absolutely right.

00:18:37.600 and when you're slanted, here's the thing, you're not allowed to be vindictive. You are allowed to

00:18:43.780 defend your name. The proverb says that a man's name is more valuable, more costly than gold,

00:18:50.860 and a man's name, his reputation, the scripture speaks elsewhere that if a man gives his millstone

00:18:57.880 in pledge for a certain debt, that it must be quickly, promptly returned to him because it is

00:19:04.740 the tool, the resource of his vocation, his work, and it says that it must be returned to him

00:19:12.780 because, and you would imagine the scripture said, because it is his livelihood. That's not what it

00:19:18.280 says. Because it is his life. In the view of God, scripturally speaking, a man's livelihood is

00:19:27.380 synonymous with his life itself. And elsewhere in the Proverbs, that same principle, concept,

00:19:33.300 a man's name is likened to his life you ruin you take a man's tools his livelihood you take his

00:19:42.240 life you take a man's name and if anything biblically speaking it's even more egregious

00:19:49.520 because now he can't just switch trades move to another vocation get a new set of tools his name

00:19:56.380 means that no one will touch him right it makes him an untouchable class it makes him unclean

00:20:02.660 like a leper that he's spiritually now socially an outcast and unclean he is unable now to do that

00:20:10.260 and to knowingly do it slanderously lying is is to attempt whether you're successful or not if

00:20:16.720 you're not successful that's that's not because of you being righteous that's because of God being

00:20:21.480 gracious and protecting the one that you're trying to attack but what you're trying to do is you're

00:20:25.940 literally trying to ruin a person's name which is akin to ruining their life it is to make them

00:20:31.460 unable to provide for their own wife and children. It is to make them unable to be able to have any

00:20:36.780 vocation and to work, not only in ministry, but in society at large. It is a wicked, wicked thing

00:20:43.660 to do. So in September 2024, a German Reformed Baptist pastor named Tobias Ryman Snyder made 0.88

00:20:51.480 public allegations against a church member of mine, a German church member of mine, married to

00:20:56.620 an American woman, but from Germany, first generation. Other pastors, such as James White

00:21:02.160 and Doug Wilson, began to make public threats to name names over this incident. Behind the scenes,

00:21:09.140 Tobias pressured me to excommunicate this member of my church for a meme that he had shared.

00:21:15.360 Now, this member of my church did not share a meme publicly on the internet.

00:21:19.420 He shared this through text message privately with two people, a friend and his former pastor

00:21:25.740 from Germany, Tobias Reimenschneider. And the meme was a joke, a joke about the Holocaust.

00:21:31.760 And I'll tell you exactly what the meme is, because here's the thing. I'm not ashamed. 0.64

00:21:36.480 It was a private meme shared privately with two people, one of them being Tobias Reimenschneider,

00:21:43.080 and the purpose, the intent. And how do I know this? Because he's a member in good standing in

00:21:47.680 my church. And they pressured me to excommunicate him, and I stood up for him. And that's when they

00:21:53.900 cut me off and wrote the Antioch Declaration, condemning all people that have any kind of view

00:21:59.420 that Jesus himself would have, or the Apostle Paul would have, about Jewish people, not universally,

00:22:05.780 but generally speaking. That's how all this went down. It started with a private meme,

00:22:11.800 privately texted. Here's the meme. It's the woman, 1950s black and white cartoon. It's a woman who's

00:22:18.760 leaning over, getting a pie or something like that out of the oven. She's in the kitchen. She's

00:22:23.040 cooking, doing these domestic duties, and her daughter is sitting at the kitchen table

00:22:27.020 asking her mom a question. She asks, Mom, what's the Holocaust? And her mother responds by saying,

00:22:33.640 oh, the Holocaust is the first time in history that Jewish people had to do manual labor so

00:22:38.560 they claimed that it killed them. It's a joke. Is it a tasteful joke? Probably not. Here's the

00:22:46.380 deal. This member of my church privately shared this with his German pastor in a context of a

00:22:52.000 thread of several texts where basically what he was articulating is not, I want to mock real and

00:22:59.420 unjust or unjust suffering of whatever Jews were arrested and put in labor camps or killed during

00:23:08.320 World War II time period, during Weimar Germany or the Third Reich, those who objectively, truly

00:23:17.120 were wrongfully arrested. They weren't Bolsheviks. They weren't spies, but they were wrongfully

00:23:21.760 arrested, including women and children and mistreated. I want to mock their suffering.

00:23:25.900 That was not, I want to be very clear, not the intent of my church member. What he was doing in

00:23:31.900 this ongoing thread, it's just one meme of a back and forth conversation with his prior pastor from

00:23:36.260 Germany. What he was doing is saying, I'm starting to doubt the validity of the history itself.

00:23:41.960 Now, could he be wrong about the history of the Holocaust?

00:23:45.560 Sure, there's a lot of different

00:23:47.500 counter-historical narratives about World War II.

00:23:51.300 And the member of my church is not an expert

00:23:53.180 and he could absolutely be wrong.

00:23:54.940 But there is a moral, quantitative difference,

00:23:58.600 is there not, between I'm mocking a historical narrative

00:24:02.320 that I don't believe to be true, even if he's wrong,

00:24:05.340 versus I do believe this to be true, 0.96

00:24:07.780 I believe innocents suffered

00:24:09.360 and I'm mocking their suffering.

00:24:11.580 Those are two different things.

00:24:13.320 But for James White and Doug Wilson,

00:24:15.060 Tobias Reimerschneider,

00:24:16.360 that difference did not matter at all.

00:24:19.480 And I was publicly attacked.

00:24:21.280 They wrote a whole statement ultimately about me,

00:24:23.920 but including trying to nip anti-Semitism in the bud.

00:24:28.780 And all these divisions in the church

00:24:32.540 happened because of this.

00:24:34.300 Jesus warns about those who cause divisions in the church.

00:24:37.020 And people think,

00:24:37.680 well, you're the one causing division in the church. No, I did not go after a church member

00:24:43.000 in someone else's flock that's outside of my prerogative, outside of my jurisdiction,

00:24:48.680 outside of my business. No, I'm not the one who did that. I'm not. Someone else did that. Other

00:24:54.700 ministers did that and pressured me behind the scenes and in a vague sense publicly, James,

00:25:01.500 don't make me name names because I will. He was talking about me. I knew he was talking about me.

00:25:07.680 And so I came out, and I addressed it head on, and I do not regret it. And I said, when I addressed

00:25:14.560 it, no one will remember this person's name. And the reason why I have to explain who Tobias

00:25:19.900 Reimenschneider is, is because I was right. What happened to Tobias? Let's go on. I chose to

00:25:28.000 directly and publicly address the allegations, insisting that the memes and surrounding behavior

00:25:32.220 did not warrant church discipline. Tobias claimed that I was a liar and slanderer, and that he

00:25:37.460 never pushed for church discipline. Thankfully, the parishioner, my parishioner, had recorded a

00:25:43.320 Zoom call that we had with Tobias and his elders and myself and my parishioner, which, and I didn't

00:25:48.840 know it was being recorded, but my parishioner, he took that initiative on his own to record it

00:25:53.040 because he did not trust his former pastor to be truthful, and my parishioner was right.

00:25:57.540 His instincts were right. This was all became publicly available. I didn't leak it. I didn't

00:26:03.520 make it available. I shared it with a few friends, a few friends that I trusted. And one of them

00:26:11.220 who was a spy in a group chat, who turns out was not a friend, they leaked it. And they were on

00:26:19.060 team Doug Wilson, team James White, team Tobias Ryman Schneider. And they leaked it because they

00:26:24.060 thought this Zoom call actually further indicted me and absolved Tobias because they were so blind

00:26:30.660 by their arrogance, their ignorance, their modern liberalism as being held up as though it were the

00:26:38.580 gospel of Jesus Christ. They're so blinded by their progressive liberalism that they listened 0.61

00:26:43.820 to this Zoom call, the audio recorded by my church member, and thought, oh, this is scathing.

00:26:50.400 This is a smoking gun against Joel Webbin. And so then they shared it publicly. They're the ones

00:26:55.240 who leaked it, even though it actually did precisely the opposite. It vindicated me 100%

00:27:00.740 and indicted Tobias Reimenschneider as a liar. And the entire internet agreed with that. That's not

00:27:07.180 just my biased opinion. Everybody was like, oh, this is bad for Tobias. And it actually vindicates

00:27:13.440 and exonerates Joel. So thankfully, this parishioner recorded the Zoom call, later leaked

00:27:19.900 by somebody else, not me. And it invoked in this Zoom call, it showed that Tobias had lied.

00:27:25.100 It invoked Tobias saying the names of Pastor Doug Wilson and James White, along with Joe Boot, as forming an alliance against me and others, Brian Sauve, Eric Kahn, Stephen Wolf.

00:27:37.600 Several months later, those same pastors published the Antioch Declaration aimed at cutting off pastors like me, as well as others, Andrew Risker, the Ogden pastors, that's Brian Sauve, Eric Kahn, etc.

00:27:50.100 Now, just a year later, multiple firsthand witnesses have reported that Tobias was disciplined by his church for charges of being harsh and unqualified to pastor.

00:28:01.200 It is alleged that instead of accepting the discipline, Tobias claimed that the church was his, and he took over control of all the church's funds, something that he was able to do because he was on the board.

00:28:13.940 It is now being reported that himself and a few families loyal to him commandeered hundreds of

00:28:21.260 thousands of euros and are claiming that they represent, they're the representatives of the

00:28:26.960 church, when in reality, he was excommunicated by the majority, the super majority of the

00:28:33.980 congregation. Okay, in closing, I don't share these stories out of glee or sinful satisfaction.

00:28:40.400 They are tragic. Multiple churches are imploding. Two marriages have ended, hundreds of thousands

00:28:47.300 of dollars misappropriated, and the name of Christ tarnished by so-called reformed ministers

00:28:54.280 and teachers. By God's grace alone, our church, the church that I pastor in Georgetown, Texas,

00:29:01.060 just north of Austin, has never been healthier. We moved into a brand new building just a year ago,

00:29:06.400 four years after planting the church. We are baptizing and adding members on almost a weekly

00:29:12.880 basis to our congregation, and I'm surrounded by godly elders and deacons as the leadership team

00:29:20.000 of our local congregation. Consider carefully the truest fruit of your life and doctrine.

00:29:25.300 That would be your wife, your marriage, your children, your local church. Here's the questions.

00:29:30.420 have you been faithful there have you loved them well do they love you back you don't have to

00:29:36.500 defeat your enemies you can simply outlast them by staying faithful where it matters most this is

00:29:44.500 the lesson learned again and again the final statement i want to make on this point and then

00:29:47.920 we'll do james lindsey and samuel say is this there are many people if you there's so many

00:29:53.320 different factions we are so divided and that really is a tragedy but if you look at there's

00:29:58.620 different frames, if you use this framework of Christian nationalists and anti-Christian

00:30:04.380 nationalists, within that frame, those two teams, the Christian nationalists and the anti-Christian

00:30:08.900 nationalists, and you look at the fruit, you're trying to determine what is true. Well, I would

00:30:14.560 argue, first, look at the substance, the arguments themselves. You should look at the content. What

00:30:20.580 are both of these groups, Christian nationalists, anti-Christian nationalists, what are their

00:30:24.860 points? What are their arguments? Are these logical? Do they agree with nature? And are they

00:30:31.060 biblical? Do they agree with revealed special revelation? Okay? But if you want to make the

00:30:37.800 fruit argument, because that's what a lot of the anti-Christian nationalists are doing right now,

00:30:42.120 they're saying, look at the fruit of Christian nationalism. Here's my big point. When they say,

00:30:47.840 look at the fruit of Christian nationalism, what you will see 99 out of 100 times, and it really is 0.64

00:30:52.460 99 out of 100 times. It will be a screenshot or a quote tweet or whatever it is, not of Brian

00:30:59.060 Sauve, not of Stephen Wolf, not of Joel Webin, but it will be them sharing an anonymous account

00:31:06.260 of Groyper667 whatever with 14 followers and him using potty words or him using no-no words.

00:31:17.000 And they'll say, this settles the case. This settles the argument. If you want to know who's

00:31:21.900 right the christian nationalists or the anti-christian nationalists well it's the anti-christian

00:31:25.920 nationalists that are vindicated that are right why because the fruit of the not the doctrine

00:31:31.160 itself because we have no argument to make whatsoever they've had years now and they have

00:31:34.500 not made a single good argument against stephen wolf's the case for christian nationalism or

00:31:39.340 anything else so they can't beat it on the merits the substance so what they try to do is show the

00:31:45.800 fruit the character but then who do they use as their showcase their case study when it comes to

00:31:51.400 the fruit. They use the leaders of Christian nationalist movement? No, they use some of the

00:31:56.400 random followers of the Christian nationalist movement. Now, what I want to say is this. First,

00:32:01.960 look at the substance. But if you insist on looking at the fruit that is legitimate in its

00:32:07.640 own right, I wouldn't only do that. I'd look at the substance and then the fruit. Jesus actually

00:32:11.940 says you can know a tree by its fruit. So that is biblical. That is legitimate. But if you're

00:32:16.580 looking at the fruit, can we just be honest for a moment and say that the fruit of a particular

00:32:21.640 group, their leaders, the character of their leaders, the fruit of their leaders, is more

00:32:29.140 significant and telling than the fruit of another group and some of their random followers.

00:32:35.760 That the fruit, so look at these two groups, the Christian nationalists, the anti-Christian

00:32:39.580 nationalists. On the anti-Christian nationalist side, if we're making the fruit argument,

00:32:43.020 You have Andy Woodard. You have Josh Bice. You have Scott Annual. You have Chris Williams. You

00:32:49.840 have Samuel Say. You have James Lindsay. And you can just go down the list, one after another,

00:32:57.040 after another. And the fruit, these are not random anonymous accounts with 14 followers.

00:33:02.800 These are the leaders of conferences of 8,000 people. These are ministers. These are pastors.

00:33:07.660 These are authors, and the fruit of their lives is divorce, abandonment of families and children, dismissal from ministry, the entire organization going under, imprisoned, awaiting deportation, or an expose showing an ongoing affair.

00:33:32.940 This is the fruit.

00:33:35.100 This is the fruit.

00:33:35.880 So if you want to make the fruit argument, Christian nationalists, potty words from followers who have a Twitter account with 14 followers themselves.

00:33:48.080 Anti-Christian nationalists, leaders, not just using potty words, 0.76

00:33:52.600 but doing egregious things blatantly against the word of God,

00:33:57.260 abandoning wives, abandoning children, breaking the law,

00:34:01.860 and being arrested, filing for divorce, and closing the doors of their ministries.

00:34:08.260 That's the record.

00:34:09.940 And I'm not doing this for a victory lap.

00:34:12.140 I'm doing this, again, because the Proverbs say that a man's name is more costly and precious

00:34:19.220 than gold. And if I wasn't being daily slandered and maliciously attacked publicly on public

00:34:28.480 platforms, not just by randos, but by leaders, then I would not feel the need to bolster a

00:34:37.820 defense. So this is not vindictive nanny, nanny, boo-boo. This is a defense. The Bible says that

00:34:46.040 even as serious as God takes the Sabbath, even under the old covenant Israel, Mosaic law,

00:34:53.380 in defending the Sabbath, if one of your own livestock, not your daughter, not your son,

00:34:59.440 not your wife, if an animal that you owned fell into a pit on the Sabbath, you were allowed,

00:35:07.440 You couldn't even carry a bundle of sticks or your bed mat on the Sabbath, but you were allowed

00:35:13.040 to expend all the energy and the time and the work and the effort, which could take all day

00:35:18.400 long, to get an ox out of a pit on the Sabbath because of the urgency. The oxen is a part of

00:35:28.060 your livelihood. Well, a man's name and reputation is even more closely associated with his livelihood

00:35:38.220 and therefore, biblically speaking, his life than an ox or a donkey or a sheep. And so it is

00:35:47.960 permissible. If it's permissible to do on the Sabbath that is devoted to rest and worship,

00:35:53.420 then it's certainly permissible to do on a Monday afternoon to come out not nanny nanny boo boo 0.97

00:36:00.560 victory lap but in defense against wicked godless slanderers who have lied publicly about my name

00:36:09.440 to say let me remind you of the record let me remind you of the score like the apostle Paul

00:36:17.640 who says I must be out of my mind to speak like this but for a moment because you've driven you're

00:36:22.920 the ones who drove me to it. You'll have to humor a little fool's talk. I was a Hebrew of Hebrews 0.98

00:36:29.040 and circumcised on the eighth day and this and he very zealous for the law son of it and he goes

00:36:34.200 down his credentials. Well I'm doing the same. I hate that I have to do this. I hate that there 0.54

00:36:39.540 are such blatant wicked slanderers daily that will not cease to utter falsehoods and lies but

00:36:48.420 because that is the case, and out of defense of my name, which the Bible not only permits me to do,

00:36:55.760 but actually commends and requires me to do, because of that, you got to humor a little 0.97

00:37:05.000 fool's talk. I hate it. I don't like it. I don't enjoy it. But you got to humor a little fool's 0.99

00:37:10.440 talk, Andy Woodard, K-Dub, Josh Bice, Scott Annual, James Lindsay, Samuel Say, Tobias Reimenschneider, 0.59

00:37:23.300 give it another six months, we'll have to make another video and update it.

00:37:28.560 We will.

00:37:28.820 And then you wonder, oh, Joel Webman is talking about the Grim Reaper meme. I don't know what

00:37:34.300 else to compare it to, guys. It's supernatural. It's almost like God loves Christian nations.

00:37:40.440 and even men who have taught faithfully soteriology doctrines of grace salvation that god so loves

00:37:48.080 christian nations as his idea as a fulfillment of the great commission that the nations as nations

00:37:54.820 not just individuals out of nations but the nations themselves as national entities would

00:37:59.220 flock to mount zion and worship the lord and apply all of christ to all of life and seek not

00:38:04.940 just to have individual regenerate souls or hearts among their body polis, but that they actually

00:38:11.000 would incorporate a Christian worldview to every facet of their society, to law, to arts, to

00:38:17.880 customs and traditions. It's almost as though God is so zealous for this and so committed to this

00:38:25.800 that he, it's not just happenstance, it's not just coincidence, but that the Lord who is sovereign

00:38:31.900 over all things, one by one, is shutting the mouths and removing the influence. And like the

00:38:40.560 grim reaper, going door to door and stopping all those who have made it their mission. They may

00:38:47.040 have been faithful in the past on salvation and the gospel, but those who have sadly, not just

00:38:51.840 a one-off article, but all these people have one thing in common. They became obsessed about

00:38:57.400 stopping Christian nations. They became obsessed about stopping Christian nations, and it's almost

00:39:05.280 as though the Lord said, I'm not going to let you succeed. You've made it your life's goal

00:39:11.840 to stop Christian nations? I'm sorry, you're getting arrested by ICE. I'm sorry, your marriage

00:39:19.300 is now going to be destroyed. I'm sorry, your ministry G3 is over. I'm sorry, you're being

00:39:24.780 dismissed disgracefully from the pastorate. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, the Lord, I'm sorry, but I will

00:39:32.000 not let any man, regardless of how faithful he's been in the past, make it his life's goal to stop 0.98

00:39:38.640 Christian nations from happening. The Lord simply won't allow it. Think of this. I'll leave it with 1.00

00:39:44.240 this and then give it to Antonio and Wes. Samuel say, who has been right on the gospel, but Samuel

00:39:51.260 say, a Ghanaian. He lived in Canada for several years, moved there as a younger boy with his

00:39:56.600 mother, but was born in Ghana, lived there for the first few years of his life. I think till about

00:40:02.180 age somewhere between like five and 10, something like that. And then moved to Canada. And then

00:40:06.840 after being in Canada for a decade, maybe a couple of decades, something like that, about

00:40:10.840 four years ago, a little over four years ago, moved to the United States, did so legally

00:40:14.820 initially. And it could be ignorance, right? I'm not going to impute motives and say it was

00:40:20.400 malicious and engineered, and he did it with intent. It could simply be that he just couldn't

00:40:26.180 figure out the immigration patterns or did not know the laws. And at the same time, though,

00:40:32.040 ignorance of the law is not innocence as to the law. And he did not renew his visa status.

00:40:38.440 And he overstayed his welcome, legally speaking, for four plus years. And this story was broken.

00:40:45.580 these details is not an intuition or a sixth sense. This is repeating the breaking news from

00:40:52.880 yesterday afternoon from Meg Basham, who is a dear friend of Samuel Say, who broke this story

00:40:58.940 without a bias. She has a bias, but the bias is for Samuel, not against him. And here's the deal,

00:41:06.420 though. You got to picture this. It's not a coincidence, guys. When did this occur?

00:41:12.560 Samuel Say was at the airport on his way to fly to Jeremy Boring's studio

00:41:19.540 to go on Jeremy Boring, who every single episode of his podcast

00:41:25.000 is literally devoted wholly, exclusively, to pushing Zionism,

00:41:31.000 trying to ruin the lives of anti-Semites, 0.81

00:41:34.900 and pushing propositional nationhood, that race doesn't exist,

00:41:38.800 one race, the human race, and that when it comes to nationality, there's no such thing as heritage

00:41:44.660 or lineage at all. And Samuel Say was on his way to go on Jeremy Boring's podcast to articulate

00:41:51.660 those very views, that lineage is nothing. Heritage is nothing. You, American, you don't have a

00:42:00.160 country. You don't have a heritage. You don't have a nationality. You don't have a lineage. 1.00

00:42:06.220 you don't have an inheritance that is just as much his as it is yours. And God, who is exceedingly

00:42:14.900 gracious and kind, all this was his intent, but God, who is rich and mercy, used God's avenger

00:42:24.860 per Romans chapter 13, the civil magistrate who bears the sword, not in vain, who is an avenger

00:42:32.360 of God to deal out vengeance against the wrongdoer, God sent his diakonos, his deacon,

00:42:39.680 his avenger to capture the slanderer, the liar, and shut his mouth before he could do any more 0.58

00:42:50.060 damage to the people of God and to our United States of America. Guys, this is not vindictive. 0.90

00:42:57.040 This is what I said at the beginning of the episode. We are actually, not only is it permissible,

00:43:00.660 but we are commanded by God not to be ingrates,

00:43:04.340 but to celebrate his kindness, his faithfulness.

00:43:08.360 Guys, let's just take a moment and thank the Lord.

00:43:11.080 Lord, we thank you sincerely.

00:43:13.300 We thank you for the arrest of Samuel, say.

00:43:16.500 We thank you for shutting his mouth 0.79

00:43:19.760 from spewing out more lies and slander 0.98

00:43:23.420 against your servants and your church

00:43:27.060 here in these United States of America.

00:43:29.040 And Lord, in addition, we also pray, not grace or compassion that usurps justice,

00:43:38.500 but Christian compassion and grace that comes alongside justice.

00:43:42.920 We pray for justice that Samuel, say, would be deported,

00:43:46.780 and that our nation would be relieved of his anti-American influence.

00:43:53.120 but lord we also pray because you are abundant in kindness and mercy and because we want to be

00:44:01.080 christ-like in his character we pray that samuel say would get justice he would be removed but we

00:44:07.420 also pray that coupled not against justice but coupled with justice would be mercy we pray he

00:44:13.700 would be quickly reunited with his wife and children three children we pray for their safety

00:44:18.620 and their comfort. And Lord, we pray wherever he's deported to, whether it be Canada or Ghana,

00:44:24.500 that Lord, one, we pray first, do not use him, Lord, if he doesn't repent. So first we pray,

00:44:31.400 repentance is not something conjured up by man, but it is a gift granted by you. Would you grant

00:44:35.860 him repentance for whatever areas he is genuinely, objectively send in? Grant him repentance.

00:44:43.600 Reunite him with his family. You love marriage. You love families. You don't want to see them

00:44:47.980 separated. So reunite him with his family. Lord, provide for their safety and their comfort,

00:44:53.940 their provision. Grant him repentance as a gift from whatever sin he's committed. And if that,

00:45:01.860 if repentance, if that be your will, then Lord, I do pray that you would continue to use Samuel's

00:45:07.220 say with his own native people as a voice in Ghana, or if it be your will, a voice in Canada,

00:45:13.360 that he would minister there and preach the gospel after repenting for his sin and be used mightily

00:45:20.740 for your glory. We pray this in Jesus' name. Amen. All right, let's look at James Lindsay. Wes,

00:45:27.520 what do you got? Perhaps no one had more influence early on, especially when wokeness was on the

00:45:32.320 rise and even still lingering influence today than James Lindsay. He has over 560,000 followers

00:45:37.540 on X, and he was propped up, as we mentioned at the beginning of this episode, by Michael O'Fallon.

00:45:42.020 Michael O'Fallon has had numerous endeavors, one of which was sovereign nations.

00:45:45.600 Back in the day, Votie Bauckham spoke there.

00:45:47.420 You had Jordan Peterson speak there.

00:45:49.140 But James Lindsay especially is one of his disciples.

00:45:52.400 Now, James Lindsay is unique because unlike these other men that we've all gone through,

00:45:56.460 James Lindsay has never professed, unless he's joking about it, to be a Christian.

00:46:00.660 James Lindsay is an avowed atheist.

00:46:03.460 But professing Christians like Michael O'Fallon, as well as G3 that had him at a pre-conference event,

00:46:08.840 have long tolerated him because for one point, much like Samuel Say, Joel Berry, just this month,

00:46:14.720 Joel Berry came out and said, hey, for the record, I just got to say, I still appreciate James Lindsay. 0.53

00:46:18.960 But much like Samuel Say, because he was black and he was against wokeness, was propped up,

00:46:24.320 so too James Lindsay, despite being an atheist, because he was against wokeness,

00:46:28.340 and then later on, Christian nationalists was propped up, given a massive platform, funded in part by Michael O'Fallon.

00:46:35.860 Yesterday, a piece came out, a long, detailed piece.

00:46:39.000 Tons of the receipts are there.

00:46:40.040 I'm not going to get all to the details or even all of the allegations.

00:46:43.400 Some of them are lurid.

00:46:44.720 Here's the top-line takeaway.

00:46:46.340 The testimony that this interviewer pulled together, as well as receipts, as well as documents, as well as archives, to put together the allegations.

00:46:53.460 The testimony comes from an anonymous former mistress of James Lindsay.

00:46:57.100 James Lindsay is married, so this would be a mistress that he was cheating on from his wife, who spoke to him from 2020 to early 2023.

00:47:05.340 and with whom he had sex with at least once.

00:47:07.900 Let me just say real quick, because people will point out my past.

00:47:11.400 And you have to see, there is a distinction.

00:47:14.840 Sinner, me, speaking of me, vile sinner, saved by the shed blood of Jesus.

00:47:20.820 Jesus was ripped apart and died on the cross under the wrath of God

00:47:24.980 for me to be absolved of my sin.

00:47:27.980 It took Jesus' death.

00:47:30.680 That's how God feels about my sin.

00:47:32.440 the sins of all his elect but even if it was just me jesus would have had to have been brutally 0.78

00:47:38.340 ripped apart and murdered and killed under god's wrath not just the the physical torture or the 0.97

00:47:45.380 the human execution but the very wrath of god poured out on the head of christ he who knew no 0.97

00:47:50.800 sin becoming a curse becoming sin my sin imputed to him so that his righteousness might be imputed

00:47:56.680 to me double imputation by grace through faith in christ that's how serious my sin is

00:48:02.260 and I never want to minimize it. There's only two ways that my sin could have been justly

00:48:06.940 dealt with. The death of Jesus on the cross under the white hot wrath of God or me in hell for

00:48:12.860 eternity. And God chose the first, the former, the death of his son rather than the latter.

00:48:19.020 Praise be to God and his grace and mercy for which I am eternally grateful for. And eternity

00:48:25.060 will be far too short to return to God the gratitude and the praise that he is rightfully

00:48:30.740 do. That said, there is a distinction between fornication outside of marriage 13, 14 years ago

00:48:39.160 that was also confessed versus an affair, adultery, in the context of marriage that is far more recent.

00:48:49.480 Remember, rewind the tape, what Wes just said in terms of the timeline. So I want you guys to see

00:48:54.780 this. Now go ahead. 2020 to 2023, and this woman alleges that she was not the only one, that in

00:49:00.400 James' marriage, he is permitted to sleep with whoever he wants to sleep with, and his wife 0.56

00:49:05.460 is not. It would be basically a one-sided polyamory. So he is basically a swinger. He's

00:49:10.740 allowed to go out and do whatever it is. He's also broke. His book is not selling well. Michael

00:49:15.100 O'Fallon's funds are drying up. And the irony of Christians pushing forward this man, and here's 0.97

00:49:21.320 the deal. We had the receipts. This is from August of 2020. I, James Lindsay talking right now, 0.98

00:49:26.720 voted for Clinton and was super proud to take my bisexual daughter with me on the occasion. 0.99

00:49:32.260 He went on below that to say, we checked out women's butts, it's a little bit more explicit 0.96

00:49:36.540 the way he put it, together, bonding. In 2025, his daughter tweeted out, she says, 0.96

00:49:41.120 when I was in high school, I told my parents I wanted to be a Christian. And my stepdad,

00:49:44.620 that is James, this is his stepdaughter, he has no biological children, said he was going to sit

00:49:49.060 with me each night and read the Bible to me to show me why it was a made up and evil book. I

00:49:53.940 I listen to him talk every day about how stupid Christians are, whether it was James Lindsay, 1.00

00:49:59.040 whether it was Samuel Say, whether it was these men like Tobias that were put up, it 1.00

00:50:02.880 would seem, by Doug Wilson and James White again and again and again and again.

00:50:06.880 They lack the character.

00:50:08.220 They lack the virtue.

00:50:09.620 They lack the intellectual acumen.

00:50:12.040 And I mean, if you're Joel Berry, think about how bad the last 24 hours have been.

00:50:15.360 Your token anti-woke, anti-Christian nationalist guy just got deported.

00:50:20.420 Your friend, the atheist, James Lindsay, one of the good ones. 0.99

00:50:24.060 Oh, expose, he's actually a degenerate who sleeps with whoever he can get his hands on.

00:50:29.380 You rewind back a couple years, all of those opposing in 2023 and 2024, 0.79

00:50:33.360 disgraced, out of ministry.

00:50:35.140 But where was Joel Webbin on Sunday?

00:50:37.000 I was there.

00:50:37.600 He was preaching the word of God to his church.

00:50:39.220 Where was Brian Sauve?

00:50:40.020 Where was Eric Kahn?

00:50:41.280 Where was Dusty Deavers?

00:50:42.520 Oh, faithful to their wives, faithful to their children, faithful in their ministry.

00:50:46.420 By God's grace alone, but look at the fruit and look at this next round.

00:50:50.420 it starts to come in. So if all those reformed ministers were round one, well, round two is

00:50:54.720 starting to come in. We're starting to see the next round of those who are opposing this most

00:50:59.000 recent iteration. And the tail of the tape so far, not good at all. And here's again,

00:51:04.960 again, like the Apostle Paul, and I'm not saying what I'm going to say is similar to him. Obviously,

00:51:10.440 the Apostle Paul is spiritually superior to Joel Webbin. There's no question about that.

00:51:15.200 but like like him who says humor a little fool's talk i must be out of my mind to speak this way 0.97

00:51:20.540 you're gonna have to humor just a little bit more fool's talk again not as a vindictive victory lap 0.96

00:51:24.920 but as a defense because a very real daily constant slander against my name and reputation 0.94

00:51:30.780 which the bible says is more costly than gold so here it is as i have become this is important for

00:51:38.560 people to make this correlation it's like well you have a past joel right eli mcgowan leaked an

00:51:43.820 expose about you. Yeah, that's true. A couple of years ago, he leaked an expose. Your former

00:51:51.100 elders, did you flee church discipline? No, I was funded by my previous church to plant a church in

00:51:58.080 Texas. If I was fleeing church discipline, like, I mean, let's just be honest. Well, your elders

00:52:04.320 seem to have a problem with you. Great. Well, I wish they had told me then. At the time that I

00:52:09.980 left my church in california that i planted by the grace of god he gets all the glory which by the

00:52:14.600 way it's not just my current church is healthy that church has persevered and has a christian

00:52:21.320 classical school and has uh purchased a church confession of faith yeah so i've planted two

00:52:26.520 churches in my life both are healthy not just one both right response ministries a 511c3 christian

00:52:33.100 Charity, Healthy, NXR, NXR Studios, and LLC, Healthy, about to host a massive conference

00:52:41.380 that we're really excited about.

00:52:42.960 I know not all of you agree, but all the organizations, I've started four, all this, I must be out

00:52:48.480 of my mind to speak this way, God, it's his grace and his grace alone, but four organizations,

00:52:53.400 two churches, one in San Diego, one here in Central Texas, as well as Right Response Ministries

00:52:58.080 and also NXR. All of them doing well. All of them grown. All of them more mature, not less,

00:53:05.800 more healthy, not less. At the time that I left December 2020 from my church in San Diego,

00:53:11.060 I was not fleeing church discipline. Now, retroactively, after I published a book

00:53:18.420 called Fight by Flight, which would include Andy Woodard and places like New York City,

00:53:22.760 where he was ministering, as well as San Diego, which is also more liberal and more expensive,

00:53:28.080 It was then after I published the book that my former elders wrote a letter about me,

00:53:33.080 which I shared only with a few individuals, three, in fact, Doug Wilson, James White, and Joe Boot.

00:53:39.460 And somehow that letter that was private and said on the top, the letterhead in large letters,

00:53:46.220 confidential, was shared by someone that I shared it with, which again, Doug Wilson, James White,

00:53:52.440 Joe Boot, I don't know who, but it was a very small group that I shared it with,

00:53:55.980 somehow was leaked to Eli McGowan, knowing that Eli McGowan would publish it publicly.

00:54:02.500 And the whole thing is, well, look, Joel's former elders are saying that he fleed church discipline.

00:54:07.220 If I was fleeing church discipline in 2023, when they wrote this letter and Eli exposed it to the

00:54:12.280 public, then why did they, the church, through not just the elders, but the elders voted unanimously,

00:54:19.420 then the congregation, it was brought up in a congregational meeting and the congregate,

00:54:23.840 because we were congregational in our polity, whether you should be or not, that's not the

00:54:26.680 point. The whole congregation unanimously voted. So the elders voted unanimously. The congregation

00:54:31.720 voted unanimously in the year of our Lord, 2020, not just to allow me to leave and resign as being

00:54:37.800 an elder of that church and plant a new church, but to bless me to go, not just in word and in

00:54:43.440 prayer, but financially. And then retrospectively, conveniently, about six months after publishing

00:54:51.800 my book called Fight by Flight, which had some import and application to Christians and their

00:54:58.420 church in San Diego. Then the letter was written, and I shared it with those individuals I've already

00:55:03.940 listed, and somebody in that very small group shared it with Eli McGowan. Now, if you're still

00:55:09.800 saying, well, I don't know which one to believe, Joel's former elders in 2020 or Joel's former

00:55:14.520 elders in 2023. Well, I think this works like the Quran, right? It's very blatantly 0.66

00:55:21.360 contradicts itself. So you go with the later passages, right? And they counteract and override

00:55:26.300 the former passages. Great. If that's your strategy of interpreting what's true, then great.

00:55:31.300 Because the letter in 2023 that says certain things about me that are very negative,

00:55:37.000 the first decision in 2020 was for me. And you might say, well, the later decision,

00:55:42.280 I think they came into new information and they only were for you in 2020 because they didn't

00:55:46.760 no X, Y, and Z. Okay, well, then what do you do about after 2023, after the letter, when everything

00:55:54.080 they wrote in the letter that I felt had any validity, if it had any validity at all, I went

00:56:00.440 above and beyond. And everyone on the right response board at that time can bear witness

00:56:05.020 and testify that this is true. My elders and deacons at the time in my new church here in

00:56:10.060 Central Texas, they can bear witness and testify that it is true. I went above and beyond any

00:56:15.400 grievance where I thought there's even a chance that I was in the wrong, sought to make it right.

00:56:20.500 Restoring funds that were not wrongfully taken, but were thought to have been wrongfully taken.

00:56:25.340 But per 1 Corinthians and the apostle Paul and his instruction, why not rather be wronged? Here,

00:56:31.080 thousands of dollars. Let's make it right. Is that good? Are we reconciled? Is that sufficient?

00:56:36.980 My former elders? Yes, Joel. And if there's any question of whether or not my former elders

00:56:43.340 reconciled with me post the 2023 letter, well, it is public record that they invited me to come

00:56:50.940 back, not just for a visit on a Saturday afternoon, but to preach from their pulpit on the Lord's Day

00:56:58.240 in the Sunday morning service. If they believed that I was not a biblically qualified man,

00:57:04.460 why would they have me preach from the pulpit on the Lord's Day Sunday morning after the 2023

00:57:11.340 letter. So if you're saying, well, I'm going to go with whatever's more recent, because I think

00:57:15.220 they found out information about Joel Webman from 2020 when they gave you money to go and church

00:57:20.280 plant, and 2023 when they wrote this letter and Eli McGowan leaked it. Okay, great. I see that

00:57:26.540 strategy. There might be some validity in it. Then let's go with the most recent record. That's your

00:57:31.420 argument. Let's go with the most recent record after having they, my former elders, having the

00:57:35.720 most recent up-to-date information. Great. Well, there's one more piece of the story. The most

00:57:40.760 recent piece is everything is reconciled, Joel is above reproach, and we find him fit and qualified

00:57:48.160 not just to visit, but to preach from our pulpit on the Lord's day. So which one is it?

00:57:54.840 Those with Joel Webin derangement syndrome? By your own logic, by your own testimony,

00:58:00.660 by your own system of mob rule and kangaroo courts and internet adjudication.

00:58:10.020 I'm absolved no matter how you slice it. So my point is, there's a difference in past sin.

00:58:17.720 14, 13, 14 years ago, in 2012, whatever the math is, 2012, past sin, a sin that really is sin and

00:58:26.560 really nailed Jesus to the cross, but by God's grace, really was not caught, but confessed.

00:58:33.740 And it was also not adultery in marriage, an affair, like James Lindsay or K-Dub,

00:58:41.640 but was fornication, which is sin, serious sin, but it is biblically distinct from an affair in

00:58:51.640 pre-marriage versus fornication pre-marriage. And all that, by the grace of God, confessed.

00:58:57.980 Was it handled properly? I confessed it. But those parties to which were the appropriate parties to

00:59:04.080 confess to at that time, did they render the proper consequences? I myself would argue, I don't know.

00:59:12.680 I honestly think it probably should have been dealt with more seriously.

00:59:17.040 and it's really a tragedy that the biggest i think the biggest fault in all this not to minimize the

00:59:23.760 fornication but the biggest fault in all this is that me and those men who became elders who this

00:59:30.240 was confessed to who are now serving as the current elders of that church in san diego

00:59:33.980 the fact is myself and them and all of us were simply not mature enough to plant a church in

00:59:40.280 the first place. So the fact that this sin happened, immaturity, lack of character,

00:59:47.500 lack of godliness, full stop, full stop. There's no way I could argue to the contrary. Of course

00:59:53.460 that's true. And then the fact that it was confessed, glory to God, his grace, producing

01:00:00.180 repentance and conviction in my heart. Okay? The way it was dealt with having been confessed,

01:00:05.920 i think probably weak probably weak why because immature leadership including myself and why was

01:00:14.980 the the leadership so immature because we were too young and we were premature we wanted to do

01:00:20.260 something for the lord but our zeal outweighed our wisdom we should have done something for the lord

01:00:25.840 but not church planting not at that time okay but here's the question when this comes out at that

01:00:32.700 point 11 years later 2023 from 2012 and now whatever it is 14 years later 2026 what what do

01:00:39.840 you do what do you do retroactively not just a few months retroactively but over a decade

01:00:47.560 what do you do think of this i i think that joe biden i'll give you an example i know it doesn't

01:00:54.140 correlate exactly but i'm just trying to give an analogy an illustration i think that joe biden won

01:00:59.120 the 2020 election fraudulently i actually believe that that election was at minimum rigged

01:01:04.700 and very possibly outright stolen but at a certain point right you you resist initially

01:01:12.560 and calling all patriots and all these kinds of things or calling on the vice president not to

01:01:18.300 validate the election and all these things like trump did but eventually after you've tried those

01:01:24.840 things and they fail and Joe Biden is sworn into office and he's now in the White House and now

01:01:29.960 we're skipping through his administration. He's been the president for six months. He's been the

01:01:33.540 president for 12 months. He's been the president for 18 months. At a certain point, the providence

01:01:39.260 factor begins to kick in. At a certain point, Joe Biden was our president. Whether he should

01:01:47.720 have been or not, God providentially allowed it to take place. And at a certain point, he becomes

01:01:53.680 the president and all the verses in the Bible about render honor where honor is due or honor

01:02:01.020 the emperor, honor the king. At a certain point, these things come into play. Think of Daniel,

01:02:06.160 Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego in captivity, honoring one king, not an Israelite king,

01:02:12.480 but a Babylonian king. And then the Babylonian king who conquered Israel is then conquered by

01:02:17.780 the persians and the medes and there's a new king who came in overnight and at some point daniel

01:02:23.980 all of us and now he's friends with the persian king and seeking to be respectful and honor him

01:02:28.620 well i don't agree with the tactic or the mechanism the means by which his kingship came

01:02:33.960 came about well we can disagree with that all day long i would disagree too i don't know if the medes

01:02:40.120 and the persians had all the qualifying components the seven elements of just war theory in order to

01:02:46.700 take over the Babylonians and become and set themselves up as the new civil rulers. I would

01:02:51.220 push back on that too. But at a certain point, providence makes it valid. Hear me again. I'm not

01:02:58.860 saying providence makes it moral, but providence eventually makes it legitimate. This is an element

01:03:08.300 of authority. And so at this point of my life, at 40 years old, looking back at something I did when

01:03:15.560 I was 25. In the year of our Lord, 2026, looking back at 2012, and looking at my current elders

01:03:23.920 and deacons, my current board with Right Response, the current co-owners of NXR, and even my former

01:03:32.000 elders and deacons, and their most recent record, right? We blessed you to plant a church 2020.

01:03:39.220 We came by some more information. We retroactively disagree with that prior decision in 2023.

01:03:44.080 up he made it right and we're having him preach on the lord's day in our church 2024

01:03:48.940 by all accounts former church current church 501c3 llc my wife my extended family members

01:03:58.480 my mother my father at every single level wes and antonio sitting at the table with me right now

01:04:04.420 today there is no one in any legitimate position of accountability or authority in my life currently

01:04:13.320 who is saying, I think you need to stop.

01:04:17.520 I think you need to step down.

01:04:20.040 And so what I have determined with my own sense of still shame

01:04:26.100 over my very real past sin,

01:04:29.040 but what I've determined because of the counsel and authority

01:04:33.200 and accountability in my life from all these organizations,

01:04:37.380 I've determined to heed their advice and to carry on committing myself to the grace of God

01:04:46.340 trusting in his providence and to walk humbly before God and man and to do the best that I can

01:04:54.780 as a broken vessel but forgiven because of the blood of Jesus now that testimony you can nitpick

01:05:04.340 you can, whatever, maybe Eli McGowan is your spiritual leader, and you think this is what

01:05:09.200 godliness actually looks like. Okay. But even for you, the most antagonistic Joel Webin derangement

01:05:17.080 syndrome person alive, even you would have to say, okay, Joel Webin, Christian minister,

01:05:23.640 passed sin 14 years ago, absolved by every single organization. It's probably different than James 0.92

01:05:31.240 Lindsay, atheist by his own admission, recent ongoing affairs, not just fornication, but

01:05:39.320 affairs in his marriage, indoctrinating his daughter to hate Christians and Christ, voting 0.95

01:05:46.980 for Hillary Clinton, and publicly saying, I'm going to pretend to be a Christian so

01:05:53.900 I can deceive the church into believing my political philosophy.

01:05:57.940 it sounds like joel barry's natural ally because at the end of the day can i just say it i'm just

01:06:04.280 going to say why think about that for a second that's the record joel webin james lindsey that's

01:06:10.540 the record none of that is hyperbole and i've been very fair and and i relitigated my own past

01:06:16.280 which i don't really want to do publicly on this episode to be as fair as possible

01:06:20.380 and and yet that being the truth of the matter joel webin here it is the good the bad the ugly

01:06:27.160 James Lindsay here it is the bad the ugly I can't say good that there is no good and Joel Berry

01:06:33.100 choose which one would you rather partner with and for him it's not even a question it's give

01:06:39.960 us Barabbas give me James Lindsay give me the atheist give give me him why and I'm just gonna

01:06:49.480 say it we know why this is what it comes out it's it's because they both agree with liberalism

01:06:55.020 over historic Christianity.

01:06:57.500 There's lots of reasons why.

01:06:58.820 Here's the biggest one, though.

01:06:59.900 They both agree with propositional nationhood. 0.63

01:07:02.100 They both agree that race is just a made-up human construct

01:07:05.060 and there's no basis in Bible or biology. 0.63

01:07:09.180 The biggest one, though, by far,

01:07:10.980 is that they are both wall-kissing Zionists. 1.00

01:07:16.220 And their true God, sadly, I've got to say it, guys, 0.99

01:07:20.740 their true god is simply ashkenazi ethnic modern jews and the modern nation state of israel 0.95

01:07:30.520 that is their highest allegiance when you wonder when you wonder and you're like i don't understand 0.73

01:07:35.380 the teams why is this guy on this team why is that guy on that team what the lines they keep

01:07:42.720 every year there's a new division a new faction a new point of disagreement within among christians

01:07:48.640 and even reformed Christians on Twitter and social media,

01:07:51.640 and I don't understand why the divisions keep happening,

01:07:55.040 and I don't understand how and where and why the lines are falling.

01:08:00.040 Guys, I'm not trying to be exaggerating.

01:08:05.660 I'm trying to simply answer genuine confusion

01:08:08.880 because there's a lot of people who talk to me at my own congregation.

01:08:11.100 I don't understand, Joel.

01:08:12.320 Why is this person saying this?

01:08:13.920 Why have they made themselves an enemy?

01:08:16.420 Why? It is this simple. There are Christians and there are Judeo-Christians and they are not the

01:08:26.260 same. Any final thoughts? I would just say at the end too, as it relates to, I think you mentioned 1.00

01:08:31.200 earlier, just fruit, you know, looking at the fruit of the Christian nationalist movement,

01:08:36.340 looking at the fruit of the anti-Christian nationalist movement. I just want to, as a

01:08:39.520 matter of lesson, right? We say, what do you take away from this? Well, I think one of the important

01:08:44.660 things to realize is the connection actually between life, practice, fruit, and doctrine.

01:08:50.280 They actually flow down, like life is downstream from doctrine. So you look at things like moral

01:08:56.380 feelings, if you look at things like poor leadership, all of these things are downstream

01:09:01.280 from what? A doctrine of effeminacy, a doctrine of cowardice, right? So seeing the connection

01:09:09.640 of those things, it's not just that as Christians, we become good fruits in the first, where it's

01:09:13.620 like, well, after something's committed, after some kind of heinous act or some sin is committed,

01:09:18.520 then I can look back and say, oh, wait, oh, that doesn't make sense. He had, he'd said this,

01:09:22.760 he'd done these things. We actually, there's an acquired wisdom to this, right? Of actually

01:09:26.920 seeing the effeminacy, seeing the incompetence, if you want to call it that, and actually

01:09:32.880 recognizing what comes from those, even if it hasn't, hasn't occurred or will occur even in

01:09:38.480 a specific person. That we recognize that the necessary consequences of bad doctrine are these

01:09:45.480 kinds of things. You have to see that. The other thing, as it relates to lessons, is seeing just

01:09:51.620 the fact that projection is a real thing. Oh, you're harsh. Oh, really? As it turns out, you're

01:09:57.480 harsh, right? And just recognizing that in men that, and projection is very simply is just,

01:10:03.400 i see the i project other people's view of the world as my view of the world right so it's like

01:10:09.760 well i see a man and he's speaking this way and so it must be because he has a heart of harshness

01:10:14.560 right he's a hard heart uh well what what's happening there what you have a hard heart

01:10:19.700 and so you assume that the man's brain that the man's sin proclivities all of these things

01:10:24.800 function like yours that's what's happening so we just have to be wise to those things right

01:10:28.740 Like when you see these things, pick up on it.

01:10:30.880 You're so right.

01:10:31.500 Andy Woodard, I remember like you, Joel,

01:10:34.240 are preaching a false gospel.

01:10:35.960 He then abandons his reformed church

01:10:38.180 and joins the new apostolic reformation

01:10:41.140 with false gospels and false doctrine. 0.99

01:10:45.040 K-Dub, like you said that interracial marriage

01:10:50.200 is not a sin, but that it's less an ideal. 0.87

01:10:53.880 And then he, in his interracial marriage,

01:10:55.980 abandons his wife. 0.89

01:10:56.880 i james lindsey has said publicly you um are a man of sexual immorality and it comes out that

01:11:05.820 he's an ongoing affair i forgot about that one yeah and cheating on his wife samuel say right

01:11:11.560 you um are are he literally like people have shown the screenshots all day yesterday um uh you 0.95

01:11:19.780 are conflating people with black skin with illegal immigrants and giving me and us a bad 0.67

01:11:28.880 name. And it turns out he's an illegal immigrant. Guys, Josh Bice, you are using anonymous accounts 0.95

01:11:37.520 and he's using anonymous accounts. Guys, guys, wake up. Wake up. I don't want to do this every

01:11:47.900 week i'm doing it once doing it today and then we're gonna have to move on because the kingdom

01:11:53.080 of christ marches on but guys the record's not even close these nuts groiper four four seven

01:12:03.000 with 12 followers on twitter using potty words is not equivalent to josh bice leading conferences

01:12:11.660 of 8 000 men women and children in the name of jesus not just christ is king political conference

01:12:18.520 but a reformed doctrines of grace gospel conference and hosting as a pre-event an atheist

01:12:27.200 james lindsey and slandering through anonymous accounts votie pockham and tom askell and me

01:12:34.720 and William Wolfe and Stephen Wolfe and others.

01:12:39.600 Andy Woodard, abandoning his wife. 0.90

01:12:43.040 K-Dub, abandoning his wife.

01:12:46.820 Samuel, say, breaking the law.

01:12:50.320 Guys, I don't know what to do.

01:12:53.400 It's as though the bias is just already too deep.

01:12:56.820 Some of you, you made this decision two years ago, three years ago,

01:13:00.680 and you've been just digging the hole, your own grave deeper and deeper. And now it's the

01:13:07.840 fallacy of when you're playing poker and so many chips are already in. And even though you know

01:13:14.340 you don't have the winning hand, you go all in anyways, because you feel like you can't afford

01:13:20.480 to lose. But here's the deal. The apostle Paul, great example, to use him again. He was a Pharisee

01:13:28.220 of Pharisees, zealous for the traditions of his father, standing there holding the garments of

01:13:34.420 those who murdered and stoned Stephen to death and giving his approval. And yet he says,

01:13:43.360 when God convicted him, I count it all as loss. That's the heart of a Christian. Paul does not

01:13:52.060 say, God, I'm sorry. I'm in too deep. I've gone down this path publicly on social media for two

01:13:59.600 years now, three years now. And if I was to backtrack, if I was to recant, if I was to repent,

01:14:06.320 it would be too shameful or too embarrassed. Guys, the window of grace is still open.

01:14:12.460 the lord stands at the door and he knocks his burden is light his yoke is easy he's rich

01:14:22.660 and mercy full of forgiveness and not only the lord but even his servants we are believe it or

01:14:31.920 not we are there's a guy a a power lifter who trains people with physical fitness who's a

01:14:38.980 reformed christian anthony i forget his last name deal i believe deal and he for two years

01:14:46.000 was publicly antagonistic against me against brian sauve against eric khan and just a few

01:14:52.240 months ago said i was wrong i'm sorry and the response from eric and brian and and joel webman

01:15:00.300 of course naturally after two years of being slandered by this guy publicly our response was

01:15:05.620 it's too late. Screw you. No. Our response was literally within five seconds of seeing his first 0.99

01:15:11.220 apology. It was immediate forgiveness. Welcome, brother. We forgive you, brother. That's the

01:15:19.540 beauty of the gospel. That's the beauty of the gospel. The record is obvious, blatant, overwhelming.

01:15:28.640 mean it's not even close anti-christian nationalists christian nationalists random followers

01:15:36.460 the premier leaders potty words abandonment of their families their wives their children

01:15:44.700 divorce dismissed from ministry breaking the laws and illegal guys guys what are we doing

01:15:52.580 repent repent repent not so that i can be right but so that you can be right with god your soul

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The NXR Podcast - October 26, 2026

CN Weekly - James Lindsay, Samuel Sey, And My Own Personal Sin

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