00:00:00.000You're an investor in AI. You're, you know, you're deeply invested in Palantir, in military technology, in technologies of surveillance and technologies of warfare and so on. Right.
00:00:12.920And it just seems to me that when you tell me a story about the Antichrist coming to power and using the fear of technological change to sort of impose order on the world, I feel like that Antichrist would maybe be using the tools that you were building, right?
00:00:34.660Look, there are all these different scenarios. I obviously don't think that that's what I'm doing.
00:00:40.820you would prefer the human race to endure, right?
00:01:05.900But I also would like us to radically solve these problems.0.87
00:01:11.380And so, you know, it's always, I don't know, you know, yeah, transhumanism.
00:01:19.220Billionaire investor Peter Thiel reportedly moved his family from the U.S. to Argentina's capital, Buenos Aires,
00:01:25.100as a refugee from high taxes, political turmoil, and potential catastrophes like nuclear war and an AI meltdown.
00:01:32.600Sources told the paper that Teal made the move due to concerns about the political direction of the U.S.
00:01:37.520Not least of Teal's concerns is the possibility of nuclear warfare in the Northern Hemisphere,
00:01:42.380making a relatively far-flung corner of South America an appealing option, the Times reported.
00:01:47.580Other members of the global elite, like Teal buddy Martin Varsovsky, are of the same mind, according to the article.
00:01:53.300The moment China takes Taiwan or Russia takes Lithuania, I'm in Buenos Aires.
00:01:58.580Varsavsky, a Spanish-Argentine tech entrepreneur, was quoted as saying,
00:02:02.460For 2,000 years, Christians have wondered about the Antichrist. Would he be a despotic king,
00:02:09.280a charming politician perhaps, or a tyrant who demands absolute fidelity and worship?
00:02:16.180Well, today, some of the most powerful men in the world are asking the very same questions.
00:02:21.180But they are not pastors or theologians or even philosophers.
00:02:26.660They are tech billionaires, venture capitalists, and the architects of artificial intelligence.
00:02:33.880Tech billionaire Peter Thiel has spent the last several years warning that the greatest threat facing humanity may not be nuclear war, climate change, or artificial intelligence,
00:02:45.620but the rise of what Christian theology has long called the Antichrist, a global system promising
00:02:53.720peace, safety, and stability in exchange for worship. And he's not alone. Across Silicon
00:03:01.380Valley, there is a strange fascination with the end of the world. Some fear a super-intelligent
00:03:08.200AI, some fear global collapse, some fear technological stagnation, and some fear humanity
00:03:15.660itself. See, these men spend their days building machines they believe could surpass human
00:03:22.260intelligence, redesigning society through algorithms, funding life extension technologies,
00:03:28.940and searching for ways to transcend biological limitations. They speak of creating digital
00:03:36.520minds and synthetic consciousness, entire civilizations governed by artificial intelligence,
00:03:44.100a world where human beings are no longer the center of God's story. And yet, for how advanced
00:03:51.820these people may be, many of them are simultaneously absolutely obsessed with
00:03:58.440ancient religious warnings about false messiahs and the end of human history as we know it.
00:04:05.860See, these individuals fear the Antichrist while ironically and simultaneously building
00:04:12.340the very technologies that could make traditional concepts of humanity obsolete.
00:04:18.660The irony is that these guys are essentially saying, I'm not the Antichrist, I promise.
00:04:24.400In fact, I have great concerns and worries and fears about the Antichrist, but I acknowledge
00:04:30.060that I'm building the exact system that would usher in his coming.
00:04:35.860See, they worry about deception on a civilizational scale while creating systems capable of generating
00:04:43.420endless realities, endless identities, and endless illusions.
00:04:48.700They speak of existential risk while pursuing projects that previous generations would have
00:05:58.540All right, well, welcome back to Christian Nationalism Weekly.
00:06:18.640Today we're talking about Peter Thiel, AI, and the Antichrist.
00:06:22.660Now, there's a simple way of thinking about it that we're going to come out of the gate
00:06:25.240And we're going to say, Peter Thiel thinks AI is the Antichrist, and here's why it's wrong.
00:06:30.240But his view of it is actually pretty complex, and it's worth discussing because this is where the mindset of these Silicon Valley billionaires, these tech entrepreneurs, and these transhumanists, which he has some overlap in, that's what they're thinking about.
00:06:41.820Actually, right now in Silicon Valley, also in New York, New York Times read an article on this.
00:06:45.940A lot of these guys are going back to church.
00:06:47.740Church is the hot place to be, honestly, on a Sunday morning.
00:06:50.500And so these guys are going back to church, but they're not going back to church and encountering
00:06:54.860a very scripturally driven approach to Christianity.
00:06:57.980What you're really finding is it's Christianity melded and blended with a lot of the philosophy
00:07:03.640of the day, blended with, you could think of when Paul talks about the wisdom and the
00:07:08.800knowledge of the Greeks that they thought very highly of.
00:07:11.340It's Christianity, some of the terms, some of the labels, the cool parts of it, Armageddon,
00:07:15.960the Antichrist, blended with your Gerard, blended with your Hegel, your Derrida, your philosophy to
00:07:21.720sound cool and approachable, but also bringing in some of these older thoughts that people are going
00:07:26.500back and returning to. And Peter Thiel is no exception to this. Peter Thiel actually calls
00:07:30.600himself a small O Orthodox Christian. He's a very private man, so it's not known, and it's probably
00:07:35.660unlikely that he attends any type of formal church, that he would call himself a member specifically
00:07:40.400of a church or specifically a Protestant. But he has dealt over and over and over again in his
00:07:45.000career with Christian ideas of original sin, of Christ, of salvation, of false gods, false messiahs,
00:07:51.660and everything like that. Now, a little bit of background that is absolutely essential to set
00:07:55.620the stage. Peter Thiel is married to another man, and that is sin, that is sodomy, and it will send
00:08:02.260you to hell. 1 Corinthians 6, 9 says, do not be deceived, because some people will be deceived0.79
00:08:07.880into thinking, yeah, I've got this, but I'm really a pretty good person in these other ways. I go to
00:08:12.360church every Sunday, do not be deceived. The adulterer, the drunkard, the reviler, and the0.95
00:08:17.400homosexual will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. So unless Peter Thiel repents of homosexuality,1.00
00:08:24.180leaves his quote-unquote husband, puts that aside, he will not enter the kingdom of heaven,
00:08:29.060no matter how many lectures he gives on the Antichrist and talks about false salvation.
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00:27:20.180He was a rebel that got crucified for his troubles.
00:27:22.360He had no explanation for the gospel accounts.0.66
00:27:24.020No explanation for early first century testimonies from other Jews like Josephus,
00:27:29.120from Romans speaking about Jesus and what he did.
00:27:31.600No explanation for how within just decades of his life, Paul was repeating a common creed in 1 Corinthians that he was buried, that he rose from the third day.
00:27:41.000All he had was kind of some secondary scholarship.
00:27:43.360He was kind of a rebel that got crucified by the Roman Empire for his troubles.
00:27:47.340These guys don't have all of this information.
00:27:50.840They don't have these great arguments.
00:28:59.020It's like, well, we're going to blend philosophy and modern philosophy that's built on Nietzsche and all of these 20th century philosophers, and we're going to try to reinterpret scripture.
00:34:29.220So the big point that you're making, Wes, and you're absolutely right, is in terms of the existential questions, in terms of the reality of eternity, you do not have anything to fear.
00:34:43.140If you are a Bible-believing Christian, you have nothing to fear.0.59
00:34:47.060None of these guys, Peter Thiel, Alex Karp, whoever it is, these companies and Fortune 500 companies and Jewish billionaires, they cannot thwart God's plan.
00:34:59.220they cannot take your soul, they cannot jeopardize anything that God has sovereignly orchestrated to0.87
00:35:04.840happen. And we know from Romans chapter 8 that God is working all things for the good of those
00:35:09.660who love Him and are called according to His purpose. So if you are in Christ by grace through
00:35:15.760faith and you know your Bible, then you know that you have nothing to fear. God is using all these
00:35:20.440things for His glory and for your good. That said, that's in the eternal. But in the temporal realm,
00:35:28.480if you're a husband if you're a father if you're tasked with you know the role of provision and
00:35:33.840protection for your wife and children these guys can make that difficult for you they can make you0.67
00:35:40.240unemployed they can you know zionist in your government can pass anti-semitism laws which0.76
00:35:47.620is already underway and then their tech can be used by the government which already owns this
00:35:52.920tech with Palantir to hunt down everybody who has said anything that the ADL deems as being
00:35:58.840anti-Semitic. And not only are you unemployed, but all of a sudden now you're fined, or perhaps
00:36:03.600you're even thrown in jail. So we do want to say here at the very end of the episode, giving this
00:36:08.800added disclaimer, that there is a real potential suffering, a real potential suffering attached to
00:36:18.140these things. And so we need to be vigilant. We need to be aware. We need to speak out, those of
00:36:22.900us who can. Others will have to hide their power levels. But for those of us who can and are
00:36:28.320insulated, speaking out publicly about these things, calling attention to it, standing our
00:36:34.100ground, and most importantly, praying and asking the Lord for protection and for grace, because
00:36:39.000the Peter Teals of the world can make your life difficult. They can temporally oppress you. But0.97
00:36:47.320in the big existential antichrist into the world, but they're a joke. These guys are retarded.1.00
00:36:55.760They really are. They're brilliant. But in that realm, theology and what's true, what's eternally1.00
00:37:03.060true, they don't know what they're talking about. They don't. And you have nothing to fear in the
00:37:08.980eternal. You absolutely have some things to be worried about temporally. And so we should be
00:37:15.040innocent as doves and is wise as serpents. We should pray that God would protect us,
00:37:21.840but we also should work strategically to save our country from anti-Zionism laws being passed
00:37:30.460and Palantir technology being coupled with our government, with the passing of those laws that
00:37:35.340throw patriots and saints, Christians who fear the Lord, in prison. That is something that's real.
00:37:43.660I think we really need to be aware of the syncretism.1.00
00:39:36.120that also binding them together that's a real movement that wins these other ones he also is
00:39:42.400moving because the future of politics it looks like uh the midterms republicans are going to
00:39:47.300get wiped out that could extend to 2028 peter thiel is kind of saying i might have to pack my
00:39:52.280bags and get the hell out of dodge because politically my angle my aim to have influence
00:39:57.220might not work out and the left might be coming for me so the tech right's not winning i just saw
00:40:01.740a poll on trump's approval with like 18 to 29 year olds something like a 60 point collapse in
00:40:07.100the last year and a half you know so that's not winning either so we've got one option left this
00:40:11.880is the one to bet the house on christianity christian nationalism revitalizing what it means
00:40:17.380to be american and also what it means to be a christian yeah and i would say maybe perhaps
00:40:21.320another way to think about it is it's really christian nationalism really is tradition over
00:40:24.980and above every other every other thing so whether it's the new tech right and the reinterpretation of
00:40:29.940you know christian texts and uh christian history and christian ideas christian philosophy
00:40:34.480or if it's the atheist the spiritual you know witch and whatever it is it's all of that is
00:40:41.020modern like that's the point we have to hammer home all of it's modern i don't care if you
00:40:45.220elicit the symbolism or you elicit the scriptures if what if you're not getting into the back of
00:40:50.060the line because that's what it is it's just hubris it's like well i'm a genius let me take
00:40:53.960a stab at christian philosophy let me take a stab at it and it's like no i'm a bit of a team
00:40:59.460If you're going to move in the line of Aquinas and the line of Calvin, if you're going to take what they've said and try to reinterpret it as if you're smarter, you're more brilliant, and the 2,000 years of church history don't stand in comparison to you, that's hubris.
00:41:16.480You need to get to the back of the line.