The NXR Podcast - CN Weekly - The Real Reason Jeremy Boreing Is Talking About Joel Webbon

00:00:00 So we've got one article, and we've got 50 seconds from Tucker and a quote from the Bible.

00:00:03 That is not a litany of evidence.

00:00:05 Here's the real reason.

00:00:06 The reason why they would do a two-hour podcast on little old me

00:00:10 is because I'm not a single man who is Hitler posting.

00:00:15 I have five children.

00:00:17 I pastor a church.

00:00:19 I am the president of Light Response Ministries.

00:00:21 I started NXR.

00:00:23 We're publishing books.

00:00:25 We're getting invitations.

00:00:26 and we're hosting a conference that will probably be successful.

00:00:31 That's why Jeremy's scared.

00:00:33 Well, Jeremy Boring just produced a two-hour-long podcast

00:00:36 where he invited John Harris and two other guys

00:00:39 in order to basically paint myself and our organization, NXR Studios,

00:00:46 New Christian Rite Studios, as though we are neo-Nazis,

00:00:49 as though we are anti-American, and as though we are wolves.

00:00:53 That was literally in his thumbnail,

00:00:55 A picture of me, my friend, J.D. Hall, who was recently on Tucker Carlson, and in the

00:01:00 caption of this thumbnail, he said, wolves in sheep's clothing.

00:01:05 He is saying that we are false teachers.

00:01:06 He is saying that we are not Christians.

00:01:08 We are not regenerate, that we are going to hell, and we are leading others to hell as

00:01:13 well.

00:01:14 Multiple claims are made throughout this two-hour podcast.

00:01:17 We'll spare you a lot of the garbage, but we'll address a few of the claims clip by

00:01:22 clip, bringing receipts.

00:01:24 One of the claims that he says is that we support neo-Nazis, that we have publicly advocated for

00:01:30 groups that are allegedly neo-Nazis. We'll bring receipts and show you how this is not true.

00:01:36 Another one of the claims is that we're soft on Islam, that we think that Islam and Muslims,

00:01:43 more particularly, are a natural ally of sorts for Christians in our war against Israel and the Jews.

00:01:51 will bring you receipts to address that claim as well. John Harris, at a certain point through this

00:01:56 two-hour slog of garbage, he said that we are too ecumenical, that we're lowering the bar, 0.71

00:02:03 that we're doing a conference that is titled Christ is King, America after Trump, but we're 0.98

00:02:09 not even holding Christianity as a standard for our speakers. We'll address this statement and

00:02:15 bring receipts on that as well. And then another guy who was on the show, he mentioned

00:02:20 that we're incapable of speaking about serious arguments at a high level with a certain degree

00:02:28 of nuance, especially when it comes to topics like the guilt pertaining to different groups

00:02:34 associated with the crucifixion of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Are we able to say that the

00:02:40 Jews killed Jesus, but also recognize that the Romans had their hand in this, that the Father

00:02:45 ordained it, that the Son willingly laid down his life, and that you and I, all the elect, whether 0.95

00:02:51 Jew or Gentile, we all participated in the death of Jesus by contributing our sin, which makes his 0.52

00:02:57 death necessary. He says Joel Webbin is incapable of speaking of these kinds of topics at a high

00:03:03 level, and we will bring receipts for that as well. All the receipts that we're bringing in this

00:03:08 episode are recent. That's the great irony, and it's almost comical if the intention behind what

00:03:14 they're doing with this two-hour episode wasn't so malicious. We will show you how they are wrong

00:03:20 on their face, and not just because of something I said 17 years ago, but things that I've said

00:03:25 in the last couple of weeks. It's going to be, I think, an entertaining show. It'll be brief. It'll

00:03:31 be concise. It'll be clear. It'll be evident that this is Jewish propaganda. That's what Jeremy

00:03:38 Boring is. He got his start from the Horowitz Foundation. He has been a promulgator of Jewish

00:03:44 interests here in America, within the political right and within evangelical Christianity from

00:03:50 the beginning, the outset of his career. He must be exposed. We'll do our best to do so in this

00:03:56 episode. The irony is if we're speaking of wolves in sheep's clothing, wolves in sheep's clothing,

00:04:02 Jeremy Boring seems to fit the bill. Tune in now. Radical Christian nationalist pastor,

00:04:10 Joel Webben?

00:04:11 Joel Webben?

00:04:12 I'm going to talk about Joel Webben.

00:04:14 Joel Webben is an accident.

00:04:15 all right the bold face blatant lies produced by jeremy boring in his two-hour production against

00:04:40 to me are so easy to dismantle. I'm not going to insult your intelligence or waste your time.

00:04:46 We're going to hop right into it. Here's lie number one. I want you to see this is from

00:04:50 Jeremy Boring's cold open, the very introduction beginning of the episode. There are three things

00:04:55 he says in a matter of minutes. Before you even get five minutes into his episode, he's already

00:05:00 lied about me and my friends at least three times. So let's go ahead and show the first

00:05:06 clip from Jeremy Boring. One of the more prominent and vocal defenders of the conference and of

00:05:10 Antelope Hill is Joel Webin, another pastor and founder of a media company called New Christian

00:05:16 Right. This week, Webin posted a photo of himself with Tucker Carlson and his friend J.D. Hall,

00:05:22 with whom Webin traveled to Tucker's studio for Hall's 100-minute episode discussing with Tucker,

00:05:28 quote, the corrupting lie of Christian Zionism. Yeah. I support the conference that happened in 0.81

00:05:35 Ogden, Utah, that was put on by New Christendom Press, two of my friends, Brian Sauve and Eric

00:05:41 Kahn, who are both pastors of Refuge Church. I have visited the church personally, along with

00:05:46 my family, at least half a dozen times over the last few years. I've spoken at their conference

00:05:51 at least two years, I believe, two years. This last year, what Jeremy Boring is referencing,

00:05:57 this most recent conference that just took place a few weeks ago, their conference, I wasn't even

00:06:03 present at. Do I defend the Ogden boys? Do I defend New Christendom Press and Brian Sauve,

00:06:10 Eric Kahn, Refuge Church, and their conference, even the recent conference that they just held?

00:06:16 You bet your bottom dollar. I will never, ever denounce those men. They are good,

00:06:21 godly men. My wife is friends with their wives. My kids love their kids. I've seen the fruit of

00:06:27 their ministry, Jesus said, you will know a tree by its fruit. The fruit of Ogden and the ministry

00:06:33 they do there with a local church and with New Christendom Press and with their conference is

00:06:38 undeniable. Anybody trying to tarnish their good name is a slanderer and an accuser of the brethren

00:06:45 and they should repent of their sin or if they don't repent and they double down and double down

00:06:51 and remain in that slander, 0.92

00:06:53 I believe that they will go to hell. 1.00

00:06:57 They will go to hell. 1.00

00:06:58 These are good men. 1.00

00:06:59 Have I publicly defended Antelope Hill?

00:07:02 No, I have not.

00:07:04 I have not really said anything about Antelope Hill

00:07:07 one way or the other.

00:07:09 Let me break this down as quickly as I can.

00:07:11 Okay, Antelope Hill publishes a bunch of Hitler speeches.

00:07:14 They publish Mein Kampf.

00:07:16 They publish biographies by Hitler.

00:07:18 They publish a bunch of other things too.

00:07:20 Stalin, you know, Mussolini, you know, all these different things, okay? A lot of banned books,

00:07:25 a lot of banned books. I do not believe it is inherently immoral or wrong to publish that kind

00:07:32 of paraphernalia. I think that it's helpful to read something by Churchill and also be able to

00:07:37 read something by Hitler. Here's the deal. When it comes to notorious, nefarious, infamous figures 0.94

00:07:45 of history, if we're going to get down to the truth, or even stand a chance at getting down

00:07:51 to the truth, there's something that we have to accomplish first, and it's humanizing the

00:07:56 individual. What has happened with Hitler, it's similar to the historical trajectory,

00:08:00 retrospectively, with the historical figure of Napoleon. At first, Napoleon was universally,

00:08:08 almost virtually universally demonized. Then there was kind of a moment where he's beginning

00:08:13 to be lionized. Actually, maybe he was a great hero and he was a really good man. And then as

00:08:18 history marches on, eventually what takes place is that someone goes from being a monster, Satan

00:08:24 incarnate themselves, demonized to lionized. And eventually with a more objective lens, they are

00:08:30 humanized. And it's not until that point when we can humanize a man and humanizing does not mean

00:08:37 they're absolved of guilt. It doesn't mean that that figure of history did nothing wrong. It also

00:08:42 doesn't mean that that figure of history did not do more wrong than right. It simply means that

00:08:48 we're able to see them as a human being, perhaps a wicked human being, but human nonetheless.

00:08:54 They're not some kind of supernatural figure. They're not Satan reincarnate. They are a human

00:08:59 being. They're a good one or a bad one, or very often a mix of the two. Now, I have never been

00:09:05 a Hitler apologist. I have actually been very clear, both privately and publicly, on the record

00:09:10 that I do not believe Adolf Hitler was a Christian.

00:09:13 I said this in my 10-part series with Nick Fuentes,

00:09:16 who, by the way, contrary to many people's opinions,

00:09:19 Nick Fuentes sat there on the film and agreed with me.

00:09:22 We both sat there publicly agreeing with one another 0.87

00:09:25 that Adolf Hitler, as far as we can tell, 0.65

00:09:28 is probably in hell. 0.80

00:09:29 He was not the last Christian prince. 0.99

00:09:31 He did not seem to be a regenerate Christian. 0.99

00:09:34 There was certain infatuation

00:09:35 at a certain point in his life with the occult.

00:09:37 there were certain practices that were ultimately stemming from a Darwinian view of racial science

00:09:45 that was anti-biblical to the creation narrative and what the Bible teaches. It doesn't seem like

00:09:52 Hitler was a Christian. It does seem like he loved his country, although I think he made some bad

00:09:58 decisions. It does seem like he loved his people. I don't think everything he did was terrible. I

00:10:04 don't think he's the worst figure in history. I think Mao is certainly worse and killed far more 0.90

00:10:09 people than Hitler. I think that the Bolsheviks, that they killed far more Christians than Hitler 0.97

00:10:14 killed Jews. That said, I'm able to say all of that and not lionize Hitler. I've never lionized 0.72

00:10:21 Hitler, but I'm also not going to demonize him to the point where he becomes more than merely a man.

00:10:27 We want to humanize him. So Antelope Hill, as far as it goes, if they are serving as a publisher

00:10:35 to simply make sure that information is not banned in the name of free speech, that people can read

00:10:41 something by Churchill and also something by Hitler and determine what they think the truth

00:10:47 is lying probably somewhere in between, then that is a perfectly, not only permissible, but even

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00:12:26 This is going to probably upset some of the people who follow me

00:12:31 who would be further to my right.

00:12:33 But here's the deal.

00:12:34 I love you guys.

00:12:35 I hope that you grow and mature.

00:12:38 I'm not trying unnecessarily to turn you off,

00:12:40 but I'm not going to allow for him.

00:12:43 This is another thing that Nick Fuentes once said,

00:12:44 and it was wise.

00:12:45 He said, you can't allow yourself

00:12:48 to succumb to audience capture.

00:12:51 I'm not going to allow you,

00:12:54 even though I love you and I pray for you

00:12:56 and I want the best for you,

00:12:57 I'm not going to allow you to drive my ministry.

00:13:00 I'm sorry.

00:13:01 I speak for myself.

00:13:02 You don't get to drive the car. 0.62

00:13:04 There are guys further to my right, some of them are good Christian men, and we simply disagree,

00:13:09 but they're good Christian men. Others of them, I think, might be malicious, setting up honeypots 1.00

00:13:14 to try to sabotage our movement. And then others are setting up honeypots, but unawares, right?

00:13:20 They're not malicious, but they're simply stupid or ignorant. As it pertains to Antelope Hill, 1.00

00:13:26 them publishing things by Hitler is not inherently immoral. It's not. Them showing up to Ogden's

00:13:33 conference. And even Ogden didn't say this. Ogden does a really good job of trying not to do the

00:13:38 performative denunciations. God bless him. I think that that's wise. You don't just throw out red

00:13:43 meat to your enemies, right? I'll feed this person to the alligator, hoping that maybe the alligator

00:13:48 won't eat me. No, it's just going to eat you later. You're still, the left is ferocious. The

00:13:53 liberals are ferocious. They will eat everyone. So you throwing somebody into the lake so that 0.99

00:13:59 the alligator eats them first, doesn't save your hide. It will come back and eat you eventually.

00:14:04 So performative denunciations are gay. They are stupid. They are irrational. And I think it 1.00

00:14:10 ultimately just strengthens our enemies. And Ogden is right to not do them. They're like,

00:14:16 we're not going to denounce. We're just not going to do it. That said, I'm going to go,

00:14:20 not a denouncement necessarily, but I'm going to go a little bit further than Ogden did as it

00:14:25 pertains to Antelope Hill. I will not attribute incentives or motives because God alone sees the

00:14:31 heart. I'm a fallible man, a finite man. I don't know their heart. I don't know everybody on the

00:14:37 team with Antelope Hill. I have had very little interaction with these guys. I don't know. And

00:14:44 I'm not going to presume to be omniscient. But I will say in terms of their behavior, or at least

00:14:49 this one behavior, showing up at Ogden's conference, bringing your most controversial

00:14:54 books and a sheet, a flyer that said pro-white businesses. And I want to be clear about that.

00:15:02 There's nothing wrong with saying these are white owned businesses and we care about heritage

00:15:09 Americans and you should patron them if you like their product. That's not wrong. That's not wrong.

00:15:15 having pro-white businesses and having some of them dealing with lewd, borderline pornographic 0.53

00:15:23 images, another one dealing with tarot cards, the occult, that is wrong. And for them to show up at

00:15:31 Ogden's conference with their most controversial books and this low-hanging fruit for anybody to

00:15:39 be able to rightly, not slanderously, but rightly criticize tarot card readers and all this stuff.

00:15:46 And then it's not like Eli McGowan was slithering through the pews, you know, and took, you know,

00:15:51 one of his investigative, you know, secret photos and posted. No, Antelope Hill, they took pictures

00:15:57 of their own booth, knowing what it would do, knowing how it would affect the image of Ogden,

00:16:04 posted it online, and basically just gave ammunition to our enemies to then go and attack

00:16:11 good men like Brian Sauve and Eric Kahn. So for that, I do fault them. I'm not going to impute

00:16:19 motives and say that this was definitively sinister and malicious on Antelope Hill's part,

00:16:25 but I will say, because the Bible tells us, it commands us, 1 Corinthians 13, love hopes,

00:16:30 Love hopes all things. So I'm going to hope the best, and here's the most charitable

00:16:35 explanation that I can provide. What Antelope Hill did, not what they do, publishing certain

00:16:41 works that are no-no books. That's okay. But what they did at the Ogden Conference in a most

00:16:49 charitable way of painting the picture is, if it wasn't malice, and I'm not going to assume it was, 1.00

00:16:54 It was retardation. It was stupidity. It was foolish, absolutely foolish. So do I support 1.00

00:17:03 Antelope Hill? I don't know them enough to say that I support them or don't support them in

00:17:08 terms of what they do publishing certain works, okay? If you buy books from Antelope Hill because

00:17:14 you want to be a good student of history and read both, that's great. That's great. So I'm not

00:17:19 saying, hey, you should boycott Antelope Hill and whatever works they're producing that are

00:17:24 historically accurate that can help people arrive at the truth. That's fine. But their behavior,

00:17:29 and I don't know if this is indicative. I don't know if they've done this multiple times, right?

00:17:33 If there's a pattern, then there's a pattern and that needs to be weighed. But as far as I know,

00:17:37 they've done it one time in the case of Ogden's conference, and that was inconsiderate at best. 0.95

00:17:42 That was foolish at best and malicious at worst, but we don't know that. So I'm just going to say 0.83

00:17:47 foolish. So do I support Antelope Hill and what they did at the Ogden conference? Absolutely no. 0.98

00:17:54 And I'm perfectly comfortable saying so.

00:17:56 Do I support the Ogden Conference itself?

00:18:00 Absolutely, yes.

00:18:01 Now, I want to move on to the J.D. Hall and Tucker episode.

00:18:04 Is J.D. Hall soft on Islam?

00:18:06 Is he being a Muslim apologist?

00:18:09 But real quickly, a word from Wesley.

00:18:10 I was just going to say, it's insane that Jeremy Boring, the founder of a news organization,

00:18:15 who's very familiar with the rigor of journalism.

00:18:17 When you make claims, you need to be able to back that up.

00:18:19 Because if you make a claim in public, and it brings dishonor on someone else's name,

00:18:23 you can be sued for that. So it is absolutely insane for him to make a claim that he himself

00:18:28 probably knows is false and just goes, eh, close enough. That is insane and wicked behavior.

00:18:34 The Bible warns against those who bear false witness against their neighbor. We do our absolute

00:18:39 best here to never spread any type of lie, any type of rumor that we don't know for sure is true.

00:18:44 We will bring receipts. We will show you on the screen. We've even come back, even if it's just

00:18:48 Hindu and Muslim, we flip them. We'll come back and say, oh, no, we got that wrong. We care about 1.00

00:18:52 the truth. Jeremy is playing quite fast and loose with the truth here in this monologue.

00:18:56 That's absolutely right. Okay. So moving on to Islam, J.D. Hall going on Tucker's episode.

00:19:02 Here's the deal. First, right out of the gate, I want to say this. I'm going to try to arrange,

00:19:07 if I can, an episode where we have both J.D. Hall, my friend, and also Raymond Ibrahim. So I've read

00:19:15 multiple books between Rodney Stark and Raymond Ibrahim, Sword and Scimitar, Defenders of the

00:19:21 west uh god's battalions i i went through my crusader phase right every good christian

00:19:25 nationalist does i was crusader maxing i'm still crusader maxing i think that the christian crusades

00:19:30 uh that they were um either all justified or at least all the way up to probably like the fifth

00:19:36 sixth even seventh crusade were justifiable um the christians for the most part i believe were 0.96

00:19:40 on the defense the muslims were raping and killing and enslaving christians um i believe 0.95

00:19:45 these were good christian men but here's the point i've read those books and i agree with them 0.99

00:19:50 in other words i am not a muslim apologist i am not a muslim apologist islam has been a formidable

00:19:56 enemy of the christian church for 1400 years i i would say the simplest that i could say it would 0.90

00:20:03 be like this jews hate the real jesus the real jesus they believe he's in hell that he's actually 0.99

00:20:12 the son bastard son of an adulterous woman that he is a blasphemer a false prophet and that he's 1.00

00:20:19 currently boiling an excrement in hell. So Jews hate the real Jesus, and they oppress Jesus's 1.00

00:20:27 followers, Christians. That is true. That is true. Muslims, they are fond of, as JD said, 1.00

00:20:35 and he said this clearly, they are fond of a fake Jesus. Muslims love Jesus, but it's not Jesus. 1.00

00:20:42 He's not the Son of God. He's not the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. He's not 1.00

00:20:48 fully God and fully man, right? So Muslims are fond of Jesus. That is true. What JD Hall said 1.00

00:20:54 is true, but the Jesus they're fond of is a fake Jesus. It's no different than the leftist who

00:20:58 claims to be a Christian and they love Jesus, but the Jesus that they imagine is not the Jesus of

00:21:03 the Bible. It's a hippie tree hugging Jesus who cares about what, you know, everybody being able

00:21:08 to immigrate into the United States and no human being illegal, right? And this Jesus, for whatever

00:21:12 reason is very fond of gay sex, right? That's not Jesus. So Muslims are fond of Jesus, but they're 1.00

00:21:20 fond of a fake Jesus. Jews hate the real Jesus. Muslims love a fake Jesus. Jews oppress Christians. 1.00

00:21:26 Muslims, and I'm going to say it, they don't just oppress Christians. They kill them. 1.00

00:21:32 They slaughter them. Guys, we can't pretend. We can't be cute. We have to say it as it is. 1.00

00:21:37 For centuries, Muslims have slaughtered Christians all over the world. And still to this day, 1.00

00:21:44 in some places of our world, they are still slaughtering Christians. Israel is a problem. 1.00

00:21:50 And the reason why is because we don't have 200 something members of Congress in our country that 1.00

00:21:55 are Muslims. But we do have that many people with Jewish ties that are beholden to another foreign 0.94

00:22:04 nation. That's why we talk about the Jewish issue so much, because it's so prevalent in our media,

00:22:11 our academia, our political government. That's why we talk about it. That said, you can walk and

00:22:17 chew gum at the same time. I believe by the grace of God that we can mature, we can grow up, we can

00:22:22 walk and chew gum at the same time. The Jewish issue and Jewish supremacy and Jewish influence 0.68

00:22:29 in America politically and with media and academia, it is a serious problem. And also,

00:22:39 Muslims are not our friends. They're not. They're not. Now, that said, Muslims, 1.00

00:22:45 I'm just going to be honest, Muslims throw rocks. Muslims are not a threat on the other side of the 0.99

00:22:53 world, across an ocean. Muslims are only a danger and only pose a threat when they're here. 1.00

00:22:59 And that begs the question, who keeps letting them in? Read about the gates of Toledo, 1.00

00:23:06 right? Read some historical, and look into some of the policy. Hartzeller Act,

00:23:10 right? Who got that over the finish line? A Jew. So here's the deal. Here's the irony.

00:23:16 Right-wing Jews influence the political right in America to go and fight wars on the behest of 0.91

00:23:22 Israel that displaces Muslims. Then left-wing Jews in America, when they take power, bring in all 0.98

00:23:28 those muslims that were displaced by right-wing jews as as immigrants as refugees into our country 0.91

00:23:34 and then if there are sleeper cells islamic sleeper cells here in the united states here's 0.73

00:23:39 the deal they were um that they were carved out the allowance for them to even to exist here in

00:23:45 the first place was because of jewish influence so that's why we're talking about the jewish 0.68

00:23:50 problem because you can't see these as entirely separate it is hand and glove it is working in 0.88

00:23:56 perfect concert in perfect tandem with one another. Jews open the door, Muslims invade. Jews open the 0.97

00:24:02 door, Muslims invade. So Muslims are not our friends. But we're going to continue to talk about 1.00

00:24:08 both Islam and the Jewish problem. Here's the deal. As CEO of NXR Studios, New Christian Rights 0.95

00:24:15 Studios, I have had the privilege so far of publishing two books this year. The first one

00:24:19 was called The Hyphenated Heresy, Judeo-Christianity. It was about the Jewish issue. The second book, 0.60

00:24:26 that we just published, that just became available to the public just a few weeks ago,

00:24:30 is called The Silent Jihad. The Silent Jihad Exposing the Islamification of the West. It is

00:24:39 written by my friend Calvin Robinson, and I personally had the privilege of having my hand

00:24:45 in the editing process. So two books that we've published, and we're really soft on Islam,

00:24:51 right? Because both books were about the Jews. No, one book about the Jews,

00:24:54 one book about the Muslims. I think we're being pretty fair-handed. I think we're addressing both

00:25:00 of the issues. Sounds like perfectly balanced as all things should be. Perfectly balanced as all

00:25:03 things should be. Now back to JD. Here's the deal. I've already seen Raymond Ibrahim's response to

00:25:09 JD. Raymond Ibrahim is an expert historian on Islam. He is. So I agree with him. Here's what

00:25:18 you have to recognize. This is a 50-second clip from a, as Jeremy Boring said, 100 minutes. I

00:25:26 guess he counted it, but a 100-minute episode between Tucker Carlson and J.D. Hall. And there's

00:25:31 a 50-second clip where J.D. Hall is not talking about Islam on the whole. He's not talking about

00:25:37 all Muslims in all times, in all places. He's specifically mentioning that Muslims under the

00:25:44 Ottoman Empire, that they restored the Church of the Sepulchre a couple of times, two or three 0.99

00:25:53 times, fixed the roof, those kind of... And historically, that's true. If JD was sitting

00:25:59 right here, and we'll get him here, we'll actually do this. And I said, hey, JD, do you think that

00:26:03 Muslims are a natural ally of Christians? He would say, of course not. Or JD, on the whole,

00:26:09 do you think that Muslims have been friendly towards the cause of Christ and his people?

00:26:12 he'd say of course not it's a 50 second clip it's a fixed 50 second clip um what's being imputed and

00:26:20 here's the deal this is not just exegesis they're reading out of what was said it's eisegesis the

00:26:26 enemies of tucker carlson the enemies of jd hall they are imputing motives they're saying well he

00:26:32 said these things but what he really means what he really means in this 50 second clip is that

00:26:39 muslims are great and all of them should live here in the united states and we should have a

00:26:42 Muslim alliance and blah, blah, blah. That's imputing motives. You are assuming something 0.89

00:26:48 that was not said, right? You can't hold someone accountable for what they, what you think they

00:26:54 said, but only what they actually said. J.D. Hall is not partnering with Muslims. That is a

00:27:00 preposterous slander, okay? It's just not true. And if we're able to, I will get both J.D. Hall

00:27:07 and Rabin Ibrahim on our show, and I'll moderate between the two of them, to talk about Islam. And

00:27:13 here's the deal. They'll probably, 99% of the time, both agree. Sounds like a three-hour dunk

00:27:18 fest on Islam. I'm here for it. Yeah. So I just want to add to that, too. You have to remember 1.00

00:27:22 that that discussion comes in the context of them talking about this bigger concept of the

00:27:28 propaganda, the inundation of propaganda that Christians in America receive with respect to

00:27:33 how israel treats christians so it's like actually christians are invited into israel they're invited

00:27:37 into the homeland and uh and and to visit the sites and they're treated perfectly and so that's

00:27:43 what they're talking about that's the that's the context that's false and what he simply i think

00:27:47 the the broader point is if you want to pick and choose points where it's like well christians can

00:27:53 access this thing and use that as propaganda right to say christians are welcome well you

00:27:58 could do that with islam too that's what he's trying to exactly that's exactly right jd was

00:28:03 trying that 50 second clip is him trying to demonstrate a case study an example of saying

00:28:08 if you're going to say that jews are are friends of christians and pro-christianity by virtue of

00:28:15 them keeping up some holy sites and not letting them go into utter ruin although the idf has also 0.74

00:28:22 destroyed a few but if you're going to cite that as a proof for why jews are natural allies of

00:28:28 Christians, then here's how you could frame it with Muslims. In other words, they're saying,

00:28:33 well, JD's not being entirely honest. Correct? That was the point. JD was trying to show you

00:28:40 how you could speak only a portion of the truth, conveniently leaving other things out in order to

00:28:46 make a certain group of people seem more pro-Christian than they really are. Sound familiar?

00:28:52 Sound like the last 80 years of the propaganda that's been said about Israel being pro-Christian? 0.98

00:28:57 that's the point. 0.72

00:28:59 So if you're saying, well, that's not,

00:29:00 he wasn't being entirely honest, that's the point. 1.00

00:29:04 And the Jewish propagandists 0.88

00:29:05 are also not being entirely honest. 0.99

00:29:08 That was the whole point.

00:29:09 Here's the next clip and we'll break it down.

00:29:11 Yesterday, Webin's own organization,

00:29:13 New Christian Right, posted about Israel, quote,

00:29:16 they killed the prophets, they killed the Lord Jesus.

00:29:19 Paul calls them the enemies of all mankind.

00:29:21 Now they're trying to sabotage a peace deal 0.53

00:29:23 in the Middle East.

00:29:24 Why do we partner with them?

00:29:26 Webin himself posted in reply to his own tweet,

00:29:29 what fellowship does light have with darkness?

00:29:32 Yes, so true, King.

00:29:34 Well said.

00:29:35 I guess I should say God King in this exact instance.

00:29:39 Okay, so Jeremy Boring is very offended

00:29:42 by Joel Webin's tweet.

00:29:44 No, by the inherent word of God.

00:29:46 Let's go ahead and just bring up scripture.

00:29:48 Here we go.

00:29:48 This is 1 Thessalonians 2, verses 14 and 15.

00:29:53 Let's put it on the screen.

00:29:53 the Bible, the word of God says this, for you brothers became imitators of the churches of God

00:29:59 in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you suffered the same things from your own countrymen.

00:30:06 So this is Paul speaking to Jews who converted to Christianity, but then says you're now,

00:30:11 because you converted to Christianity, are being persecuted by those Jews who have remained 0.55

00:30:15 religiously Jewish. You suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they did from the 0.92

00:30:22 Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets and drove us out and displeased God 1.00

00:30:29 and oppose all mankind. That's my tweet. I said, they killed Jesus, they killed the prophets, 1.00

00:30:38 and Paul calls them enemies. Some translations say enemies, others say opposers of all mankind.

00:30:44 So Jeremy is so frustrated by my tweet. My tweet is a paraphrase, almost a verbatim quote,

00:30:51 of scripture. And my point in tweeting that was to say, here we have Israel all the way in the

00:30:58 year of our Lord, 2026, still trying to continue war, right? Donald Trump, I think he got us in

00:31:06 this by allowing himself to be led astray by Netanyahu and do certain bombing and airstrikes

00:31:13 on behest of Israel. I think it was dumb. I think it was foolish. Well, he's now trying to get us 1.00

00:31:17 out of this war. And Iran has explicitly stated that one of the reasons that they are considering

00:31:25 and have gone back and forth with reneging the peace treaty, the terms of peace, is Israel's

00:31:32 continual airstrikes on Lebanon. That Israel is saying, Donald Trump is saying, this war is over.

00:31:38 Netanyahu will come out and publicly say, within 30 minutes of Donald Trump saying, we just

00:31:44 achieve peace. Netanyahu will come out 30 minutes later and say, this war is not over. America

00:31:50 doesn't get to call the shots and say when the war is over. We say when the war is over and this

00:31:55 war is still going and we're still dropping bombs. So my question would be to Jeremy,

00:32:01 what did I say in that tweet that's not true? I quoted 1 Thessalonians 14 and 15, chapter 2,

00:32:09 verse 14 and 15. And then I gave a real world application of what's going on right now. You

00:32:15 have Iran, which I'm not a fan of Iran. And you have America, and we're trying to get peace.

00:32:22 And then you have this third party that is by their own admission of their prime minister

00:32:27 saying, we don't want peace and trying to mess it up. This is just the facts. And if you're offended

00:32:34 by that, I don't know what to tell you, but that is the word of God and the objective news. The

00:32:40 word of God, infallible, and Netanyahu's own admission on national television within just

00:32:47 the last few days. So it also is just, this is a little bit funny, but J.D. Hall, J.D. Vance does

00:32:54 this press conference and he's talking about Israel. And this is right after the incident

00:32:59 that you're describing where they're fighting in Lebanon, they're violating the peace treaty,

00:33:03 and it's all about to fall apart.

00:33:04 And he says, and you've got these Israeli defense ministers

00:33:08 and cabinet members, they're criticizing the US

00:33:10 and criticizing the deal in particular.

00:33:13 And J.D. Vance says, if I were you, I wouldn't insult,

00:33:18 I wouldn't attack your only ally.

00:33:21 He's essentially saying that they're opposing all mankind

00:33:24 and only America is on their side.

00:33:27 The vice president of the United States literally said,

00:33:29 you have burned every single bridge with every country on the planet.

00:33:35 You're now down to one.

00:33:36 And everyone under 30 in the one country left that loves you also still hates you. 0.89

00:33:40 You've got boomers, boomers, that's it. 0.74

00:33:44 You've got the aging population of one country left on your side. 0.61

00:33:47 Don't blow it. 0.75

00:33:47 Israel said, bet we'll do our best to do so.

00:33:50 Right, yeah.

00:33:50 So you can come against me, but you would have to in the same breath say,

00:33:55 I also come against the word of God, 1 Thessalonians 2, verse 14 and 15. I also am just

00:34:02 willfully choosing to ignore the actual literal words of Netanyahu. And I also think that the

00:34:10 vice president is anti-Semitic and a terrible, wicked man. So it's just preposterous. All right, 0.99

00:34:19 let's keep going. We've got a couple more. We're almost done. Let's play the next clip.

00:34:22 There's also a spiritual threat that's going on, especially in a rise in ecumenical thinking

00:34:29 that, hey, as long as these guys are like anti-Israel or anti-Jewish or something like

00:34:34 that, we can get together under the banner, Christ is King, like Joel Webin's conference

00:34:37 is coming up.

00:34:39 He's got people, one of his speakers thinks that there's a God in you and everyone has

00:34:45 one and no God is better than the other.

00:34:47 And he's going to be speaking under the banner of Christ is King, which is a deeply theological

00:34:51 statement.

00:34:52 if Christ is truly king, then we have to submit to him. He owns us. And this is the Christ of

00:34:57 the Bible is a particular person. And so if you do a conference and the majority of your speakers

00:35:03 are, I mean, he's Baptist pastor, they're not even Protestant. And then there's some that have

00:35:08 very dubious actions and professions and connections to things that are not Christian,

00:35:15 then what are you telling your audience? These are the people that know about Christ being king.

00:35:18 Well, that's not Christianity. 0.99

00:35:20 So I see that as a threat. 1.00

00:35:23 Okay.

00:35:25 So John Harris is very concerned about ecumenicalism.

00:35:29 Here's the deal.

00:35:29 Billy Graham, later on, towards the end of his ministry,

00:35:33 he got a little bit too big tent.

00:35:35 He became too ecumenical, right?

00:35:37 Allowing for different strains of theology and these kinds of...

00:35:40 But here's the deal.

00:35:41 You have to consider not just how big the tent is,

00:35:44 but you also have to consider what is the tent trying to accomplish?

00:35:48 What is the purpose? In the case of Billy Graham, he was going around the country,

00:35:52 packing out football stadiums, doing crusades for Christ. He was preaching the gospel,

00:35:59 doing evangelistic crusades. And then what he would do is in a call for salvation, as people

00:36:04 are coming down the aisle in order to be converted, to be born again, he would have Catholic priests

00:36:12 at the altar praying for these people to come to salvation. Well, that's too ecumenical in that

00:36:17 context. Why? Because Catholic priests and Protestants, we would disagree over soteriology.

00:36:23 We don't have the same view of salvation. We have theological distinctions when it comes to

00:36:29 soteriology, how God saves. What we're doing with this conference, Christ is King, America after

00:36:35 Trump, November 12th, 13th, and 14th, this is a political. Primarily, there will be theology

00:36:41 present, right? Because there's Christians present. I'm going to be speaking, and I can't help but say 0.94

00:36:47 some theological things because I'm a Christian. I'm a pastor. That's how I think. So there will

00:36:52 be some theology that is espoused at the conference and there'll be culture espoused at the conference.

00:36:58 But the main focus and emphasis and purpose of this conference is political. And when it comes

00:37:04 to the realm of the political, this is where the two kingdoms, and John knows this, this is where

00:37:09 this kind of two kingdom framework, theological framework is important. There is the kingdom,

00:37:15 the sacred kingdom, the kingdom of grace, the church, word, and sacrament, where ecumenicalism

00:37:20 is not permitted, where that church needs to be theologically aligned on the Lord's day when they

00:37:26 preach the word and minister the sacrament for heavenly life, things that are eternal. But in the

00:37:32 common kingdom and politics and government, these things fall into that second bucket, the common

00:37:38 kingdom, we are able to be co-belligerents to link arms with a wide swath of people who are

00:37:46 aligned on certain political issues so that we can actually push the ball down the field. So it's

00:37:51 like, well, Joel's being ecumenical. You bet your bottom dollar by design, by design, because this

00:37:56 is not a church conference. This is not, see, John struggles to understand this because John can't

00:38:02 believe that we would be doing a conference. It's not about the five solos, right? It's not about

00:38:06 the the tulip and the five points of calvinism the fact that we're doing a conference it's not

00:38:10 on soteriology is is you know blowing his mind but here's the deal this is a political conference

00:38:15 that's part of why we started not just part it is the predominant reason why we started nxr studios

00:38:20 right we have our local church where i pastor that's a separate entity then we have had for

00:38:26 several years now right response ministries that's not a church but it is a a christian

00:38:32 predominantly theological emphasis 501c3 ministry but then we want it as we were becoming more

00:38:39 political and realizing the importance of politics instead of just doing politics through the arm of

00:38:45 right response ministries which is a 501c3 non-profit more theological ministry we decide

00:38:50 you know what we need another banner for this we need a separate entity right response should stay

00:38:55 right response it should focus on on what it exists to focus on so the local church it's word

00:39:00 and sacrament on the Lord's Day. It's funerals, it's weddings, it's marriage counseling. That's

00:39:05 the local church. Over here, right response, it's public podcasts and articles and these kinds of

00:39:10 things. But the predominant emphasis is on the theological. And then we need a third organization,

00:39:17 right? The third one being NXR Studios. And that's where we're going to be very politically

00:39:23 involved. And so in this frame, with this context, right? This conference is not a Billy Graham

00:39:30 crusade. It is not where we're going to have an altar call for people to come forward and to say

00:39:36 the sinner's prayer, right? That's not what we're doing with this conference. That's not the purpose

00:39:40 of it. This is a political conference. And so what we are ultimately uniting under is a broader

00:39:47 banner. And what we've required for the speakers is, number one, we're going to have men. There

00:39:52 will be no female speakers at this conference. The three-piece, you know, boss babe, pantsuit, 1.00

00:39:56 we're just kind of done with that. We love women, but we want to see women predominantly in their 1.00

00:40:02 role. And that's not just as it pertains to the church. We believe in all of society that God has 0.87

00:40:07 called men to be leaders, both in the kingdom of grace, but also in the common kingdom as well. 1.00

00:40:13 We don't want to see a lot of women holding positions of power in our government. So we 1.00

00:40:19 are really requiring two things to speak at this conference. You need to be a dude, 0.88

00:40:23 need to be a man and you also need to be a christian well what does it mean to be a christian

00:40:30 what we're what we're doing here is we're holding it as creedal not confessional so we're not

00:40:35 requiring the westminster confession of faith or the 1689 london baptist confession of faith

00:40:39 we're saying no do you affirm the apostles creed the nicene creed do you have you made are you

00:40:46 willing to make a public profession that you believe jesus is the son of god that he was born

00:40:51 of the Virgin Mary, took on flesh, lived a sinless life, died on the cross for our sin, was bodily

00:40:57 raised from the grave on the third day, ascended to heaven, and one day will return. Can you affirm

00:41:02 that? Okay, well, on that note, the one speaker that John Harris is referencing, and real quick,

00:41:10 I should back up. He says, you know, most of them aren't even Protestant. I'm a Protestant. Joshua

00:41:14 Hames is a Protestant. Harrison Smith is a Protestant. Dale Partridge is a Protestant. J.P.

00:41:19 Sears is a Protestant, okay? So there's eight speakers as it currently stands. Five of them

00:41:23 are Protestant. Then you have Calvin Robinson, who is not Roman Catholic, but is Catholic. He's kind

00:41:29 of in between, okay? Then you have James Fishback, who is Roman Catholic. And then you have the last

00:41:34 guy that John Harris is referencing. So seven, let's start with that, seven of the eight speakers

00:41:39 for this conference. I know where they go to church, right? And these guys, out of those seven,

00:41:46 five are Protestant. So John is just either misinformed or lying. Five are Protestant,

00:41:51 and one is Roman Catholic, and one is Anglo-Catholic. Okay? Then let's get to the eighth

00:41:57 speaker. And this is the one that John is referencing. And I'm not going to impute motives

00:42:01 here. I don't know why he doesn't name him, but John knows who he's thinking of. And I'm tempted

00:42:07 to think, I don't think John would do this, but maybe he's feeling the tension of wanting to

00:42:13 to accommodate Jeremy Boyne, who's the host, who graciously invited John to be on his show.

00:42:19 And I know that Jeremy Boyne for sure, for sure would not want John Harris to name the one speaker

00:42:25 that John Harris is very concerned about, because the one speaker that John Harris is concerned

00:42:29 about is the one speaker whose last name is Stein. And their whole two-hour podcast is about

00:42:35 how we're Jew haters and neo-Nazis. And the one speaker that John's saying, and here's part of

00:42:40 reason that you can tell that Joel Webin has compromised and he's sold out and he's becoming

00:42:44 too ecumenical because we're really mad at Joel for hating Jews, but also we're concerned about

00:42:50 the caliber of the speakers because he has a Jew. And he can't say that. Of course he can't say that. 0.93

00:42:57 So he just has to leave it ambiguous. You know, like, well, a lot of the speakers aren't even

00:43:01 Protestant. Actually, over half of them are. That's just categorically false. And, you know,

00:43:05 a couple of the speakers, it's just one, it's just one, and say his name. Say Stein. Say it.

00:43:16 Right? The one speaker that you're concerned about for theological reasons, that he might not

00:43:20 actually be a Christian, or he might be, let's just be honest, this is what's actually,

00:43:26 this is the subliminal message that's being conveyed. I'm convinced of this. You're concerned

00:43:31 that one of the speakers wears Christianity as a skin suit, but he's not really regenerate. He's

00:43:36 not really a Christian. He's actually subversive. And he's also the one guy with the last name 1.00

00:43:40 Stein. Do you feel the irony? I could choke. It's a bit thick. Now, why did we invite Alex Stein?

00:43:49 Well, because I like him because he's my friend and friendship means something to me. And here's

00:43:55 the deal. You know who else is still my friend? I don't know if he feels the same about me,

00:43:58 John Harris. And if John Harris wanted to come and speak at the conference, I would probably

00:44:03 accommodate that. We'd probably need to have a long phone call first. And I don't think he would

00:44:08 want to. I don't think John Harris would want to touch me with a 50-foot pole because I think he's

00:44:13 ashamed of me. But John Harris is my friend, whether I'm his friend or not. And I have to say,

00:44:20 because it would just be dishonest if I didn't say it, out of the four guys on this episode,

00:44:25 So Jeremy Boring, John Harris, and two other dudes, John Harris was by far head and shoulders

00:44:29 better than all of them combined.

00:44:33 John Harris, I believe, is a brother in Christ.

00:44:36 I absolutely believe that.

00:44:37 And I would not say otherwise.

00:44:39 And John Harris, I think, is doing what his conscience dictates.

00:44:43 I don't think he's seeking fame, right?

00:44:46 Because if he was seeking fame, he wouldn't have pushed back as much on the propositional

00:44:50 nationhood coming out of Jeremy Boring's mouth as he did.

00:44:52 And good on him for doing that.

00:44:55 I believe that John Harris is a good man, but I wish that he would stop attacking me.

00:45:02 I just wish he would stop attacking me.

00:45:04 But John Harris, if you listen to this, I want you to know that I love you, and I'm

00:45:09 always willing to do a phone call.

00:45:12 And in terms of Alex Stein, real quick, Wesley's going to make a point, but to finish this

00:45:15 point, in terms of Alex Stein, in terms of what is your metric, Joel?

00:45:19 What is your standard?

00:45:20 Why did you invite him?

00:45:21 I invited alex stein because I had the privilege of going up to dallas with members of my team

00:45:26 wesley and antonio were there and recording two episodes on alex's platform and spending that

00:45:32 whole afternoon with him and then alex came and returned the favor and he recorded three episodes

00:45:37 at our studio um here in the greater austin area and we got to spend uh the morning and afternoon

00:45:43 with him again and i've had several conversations with him on the phone here's the deal has alex

00:45:48 Stein said things publicly in a video or in a Twitter post that is not great? Yes. Yes. Absolutely.

00:46:00 Has he tweeted out things theologically in the past that are not orthodox, that are not in line

00:46:07 with orthodox Christianity? Yes, he has. But the reason I asked him to speak at the conference, 0.95

00:46:12 one, friendship. It means something to me. Two, because I asked him as a prerequisite

00:46:18 before allowing him to speak at the conference, I asked him point blank to his face offline and

00:46:24 online. And I'll show you the receipt of what was online. Alex Stein, do you believe that Jesus is

00:46:28 the only begotten son of God, that he was born of the Virgin Mary, that he lived a sinless life,

00:46:32 that he died on the cross under the wrath of God for sinners, that he was raised from the dead

00:46:37 bodily on the third day, that he ascended to heaven and is seated at the right hand of God,

00:46:42 the Father Almighty, and that he will one day come back to judge the living and the dead.

00:46:47 Alex Stein said, yes, I'm not a big fan of organized religion. I think that's kind of dumb. 0.99

00:46:52 That's, you know, a little new agey. I'm not a fan of organized religion, but I get it. 0.99

00:46:57 Here's the deal. I think he's coming along. I think that he is a Christian. I think he's a baby

00:47:01 Christian and he's coming along, right? And so Alex Stein testified to me and I am love hopes

00:47:10 all things i'm believing the best and trusting him that he is a christian he professes christ

00:47:16 he'd said this to me at more length privately but i'll show you where he said it publicly let's play

00:47:21 the next clip were you raised were you raised christian jewish this is how it works so my

00:47:26 grandfather this is and this is kind of maybe why i have a little heat with israel so my grandfather

00:47:30 got my grandmother pregnant and then moved to new york and started another family and he paid for

00:47:35 child support for my dad and so my grandfather was jewish my dad was raised christian by his mom my

00:47:40 grandmother. And then my mom was from Evansville, Indiana. I was a big Christian. So I grew up going

00:47:43 to church. I was baptized when I was 17. I was, you know, went to Bible study every week in high

00:47:49 school. And, you know, I am obviously a Christian, but I'm also, you know, I'm not the best example

00:47:54 of being a Christian because I feel like I am a sinner and I do try to not sin, but I just feel

00:48:01 like I'm not perfect. And sometimes I'm a little ashamed of, I guess, the fact that I'm not

00:48:08 a perfect person yeah nobody is nobody is you know i don't try to hold myself to too high of

00:48:15 a standard but i think and it says this on my wikipedia and i hate this organized religion to

00:48:20 me though has been so corrupted and that's almost all you know organized religion and and tucker

00:48:25 just had a guy on his podcast where he said jesus is a socialist and i don't necessarily think that

00:48:29 but i do think jesus was teaching originally the way and that was before gnosticism i think modern

00:48:36 christianity has has taken kind of a detour from what jesus really wanted to teach yeah and so i

00:48:43 think that's where we are and i do think jesus was died on the cross i think jesus was real you know

00:48:50 people argue he's not even real i think there's too much historical evidence so for me i feel

00:48:55 like jesus is who i'm i don't want to say this in a gambling way we're not supposed to gamble but

00:48:59 that's who i'm betting on right because to me i've kind of looked at it all that's what story

00:49:05 makes the most sense to me yeah so that's where i am at and that's why i consider myself a christian

00:49:09 is that i learned about jesus and i was like this sounds like the right thing to me so that's the

00:49:16 kind of christian i am there you have it so uh we invited alex stein to teach um a multiple part

00:49:22 lesson on soteriology i'm looking forward to it right he's also going to be teaching on theology

00:49:27 proper doctrine of god the hypostatic union christology no we've asked him to come to the

00:49:33 conference to speak to culture and politics. Okay. So right there, I'm going to give the benefit of

00:49:37 the doubt and say he's a Christian. But as you could just see in that clip, I think he's a

00:49:41 well-meaning individual. I think he's a good guy. In addition to that, you could also tell our

00:49:47 audience, you guys are theologically savvy. You can tell the dude's not necessarily theologically

00:49:51 astute. Okay. So then what are we going to do about that? Well, we're just going to not invite

00:49:56 him to come and speak on theology. That's what we're going to do about it. He's going to come

00:49:59 to a political conference

00:50:01 as a professing Christian

00:50:03 who's going to talk about 0.83

00:50:05 politics and culture and not

00:50:07 Christology and not doctrine of God, not theology

00:50:09 proper. Here's

00:50:11 the last glaring irony

00:50:13 and this is pretty much what we're

00:50:15 in the episode.

00:50:18 Jeremy Boring

00:50:19 has no problem with the

00:50:21 TPUSA conference.

00:50:23 Where it's not just 1.00

00:50:25 Jewish,

00:50:27 ethnically Jewish speakers

00:50:29 who profess Christ, but are maybe new in their understanding of theology. No, it's religious 0.65

00:50:38 Jews. It's Ben Shapiro wearing the tiny hat. It's Mormons. Nicki Minaj, for goodness sake. 0.98

00:50:48 Here's the deal. It's like, well, Joel is really compromised, you know, and he's being way too

00:50:53 ecumenical doug wilson spoke at tp usa and mocked the uss liberty veterans that were shot by israeli

00:51:03 fighter jets and that was the same stage that nikki minaj was also on with erica kirk okay so

00:51:12 what are we doing here guys what are we doing here we're too ecumenical yeah i think we're the

00:51:18 ones that are too ecumenical yeah like this is absolutely preposterous and here's the deal again

00:51:23 i don't know people's hearts i'm not omniscient okay so i'm not going to say this definitively

00:51:28 but i'm going to say i think it's possible and john you feel free publicly to correct me if i'm

00:51:35 wrong about this but i think that it's possible that if tpusa had a conference and they invited

00:51:40 you to speak i think you would probably say yes i think you would say yes even though it would not

00:51:47 be exclusively Christians speaking at TPUSA. Not even exclusively professing Christians. My

00:51:53 conference, I can actually say with a clear conscience before the Lord, every single person

00:51:58 on the stage professes Christ, professes to be a Christian. TPUSA cannot say that about their

00:52:04 conferences. They intentionally invite people who are not just Jewish ethnically, but religiously

00:52:12 Jewish and believe that Jesus was a blasphemer and they are given platform to speak at their

00:52:18 conference. And other ministers that John will touch, like Doug Wilson, he'd be happy to do

00:52:23 something with Doug Wilson, but not with me. Those guys will go and sit on that stage.

00:52:28 And they will not levy the criticisms about TPUSA that they're levying towards me. And I find that

00:52:35 hypocritical because it's hypocritical. And I do think, again, try not to impute motives,

00:52:42 But I do at least, I'll say it this way, to be clear and careful, I do find it at least

00:52:48 at minimum suspicious that when you were trying to say, well, on the one hand, what we have

00:52:54 against Joel Webin is he's a neo-Nazi.

00:52:56 But just in case that doesn't stick, the other thing we have against Joel Webin is that he's

00:53:01 too ecumenical, that he's compromised in his theology, and he's lowered the bar to have

00:53:05 guys who aren't serious Christians that he's allying with at his conference.

00:53:10 And I think the reason you didn't name that speaker is because it would actually discredit your first accusation you levied against me, that I'm a neo-Nazi.

00:53:22 Because you actually can't hold both of those.

00:53:24 You've got to pick a lane.

00:53:25 So Joel's either a neo-Nazi, in which case he would never invite Alex Stein to his conference, or Joel's too ecumenical and he's lower the bar, and he's not a neo-Nazi.

00:53:37 We would never make that claim because that would be slander.

00:53:39 in which case we're perfectly comfortable naming the person that we're concerned about at the

00:53:43 conference whose last name is Stein do you notice you see how you can't do both but they did do

00:53:49 both and how can you do both and walk that tightrope without falling off on the left or the

00:53:53 right you conveniently leave out the guy's name and I struggle to see that as a coincidence all

00:53:59 right final thoughts I would just say one more further irony related to that point is is the

00:54:04 fact that the pretext of the entire discussion that Jeremy Boring had was this critique of

00:54:09 Christian nationalism. And on that last point, what I'm hearing is you're critiquing the Christian

00:54:14 nationalists for being too ecumenical, right? So we're supposed to be the theocratic fascists, 0.81

00:54:20 as you said, who are forcing down a particular view and a rigid political procedure on the

00:54:27 country. But here we are, it's like, oh, well, actually, your standards aren't high enough for

00:54:32 the people who should be speaking about politics that's what i'm hearing now i don't want to say

00:54:36 that's the direct point that he's making but it's like all of these arrows that we're receiving all

00:54:40 of this flack that we're receiving and none of it's coherent it's like pick pick your criticism

00:54:45 be specific about it bring receipts and i don't see any of that happening yep i was gonna say if

00:54:50 we went through the receipts seriously of the four topics we addressed here it's like supported

00:54:55 antelope hill none of that exists because we've never done it there is no tweet there is no video

00:54:59 there is no soundbite. Islam, 50 seconds from not even Joel, J.D. Hall on Tucker Carlson talking

00:55:05 about the Ottoman Empire. So we've got zero evidence for the first claim, 50 seconds for

00:55:09 the second claim. Thessalonians, that's a quote from the Bible. Alex Stein, an article from 2022.

00:55:15 So we've got one article and we've got 50 seconds from Tucker and a quote from the Bible.

00:55:18 That is not a litany of evidence. So what is really being gotten at here? Why do they spend

00:55:23 two hours talking about the new Christian right and Joel and Ogden and J.D. Hall? Here's the real

00:55:27 reason, we're influential. Because when you get down to it, we are historic Protestants in a

00:55:33 confessional reformed church. We are not neo-Nazis. We are not immoral. We're not any of those things.

00:55:39 And our positions, they're historic, they're American, and not just that. We're not just

00:55:44 right in theory. People are being won to them. Young men are saying, that makes sense. That's

00:55:49 my heritage. Amen. Finally, someone coming along and saying that, and they're realizing, oh,

00:55:56 people are listening to them fire up the stream get everybody in bring them to florida we've got

00:56:01 to talk about this they're not talking about it because all the evidence compiled is so concerning

00:56:06 the evidence is literally it's i need a microscope here on the table to look at the evidence that

00:56:11 they brought up in that two-hour interview what i can see though is the influence and the people

00:56:15 listening and the fear being struck in the establishment by ministries and works like ours

00:56:20 this is exactly right the reason why they would do a two-hour podcast on little old me is because

00:56:26 i'm not a single man who is hitler posting you know 24 7 hitler's the last christian prince and

00:56:34 this that and the other i'm not a single man living in my mother's basement who is a hitler

00:56:40 apologist no the reason why jeremy boring i won't speak about john in this regard but jeremy

00:56:46 boring for a fact. The reason why he is concerned, and we'll get three guys and fly them out, right,

00:56:52 John Harris and two other guys, to do a two-hour podcast about little old me, is because I'm a

00:57:00 married man. I have five children and another on the way, praise God. I pastor a church. I am the

00:57:09 president of Right Response Ministries that has been, by the grace of God, very successful, right,

00:57:14 like the Apostle Paul. I must be out of my mind to speak this way, but please humor a little

00:57:18 fool's talk for a moment. I've planted two churches. I've started Right Response. I've 0.98

00:57:24 started NXR. We're publishing books. We're getting invitations, and we're hosting a conference that

00:57:33 will probably be successful. Maybe it bombs, you know, but by the grace of God, if we stay humble

00:57:39 And we we vow to continue to always give christ the glory

00:57:44 Then I believe god will bless it and this conference will be successful. That's why jeremy's scared

00:57:49 He jeremy is levying all these accusations not because they're true

00:57:54 He's levying these accusations against me

00:57:57 Because he knows that they're not true and precisely because they're not true

00:58:02 It actually means that i'm a threat. Yeah, that I could actually be make progress. I can make head. I could be the last

00:58:09 christian prince right and i would just say like for the listener for the people who are tuning

00:58:14 into this it's it's pay attention to the kinds of criticisms that we're getting oh i'm concerned

00:58:19 well i just think there there's a slippery slope here i see you being too friendly like notice all

00:58:25 of these going back to wes's point of notice none of the criticisms are specific none of the

00:58:31 criticisms are coherent with other forms of criticism that we're receiving and all of this

00:58:35 is this ambiguity campaign is what I would call it.

00:58:39 We're going to try to smear them

00:58:41 and generate enough concern around them.

00:58:43 It's the poison cloud fallacy.

00:58:45 It's an actual fallacy.

00:58:46 If I don't actually have something that sticks,

00:58:48 what we can do is we can just,

00:58:49 it's just a sheer numbers game.

00:58:51 I can throw up so many things.

00:58:53 And if you isolate and go one by one by one,

00:58:55 none of them are actually valid.

00:58:57 But if we can just throw enough

00:58:59 and we can get, you know,

00:59:00 we can send it to the group chat

00:59:02 and get our army to throw as many things as possible,

00:59:04 enough, enough, enough,

00:59:05 then people will just stay awake because they'll just say you know what it's just not worth it and

00:59:08 ironically this is literally what was done towards doug wilson for 40 years for 40 years nobody would

00:59:13 touch respectable people would not touch doug wilson because um all the controversies against

00:59:19 him were valid and true no no um it was because there were just so many and when there's just

00:59:26 so much controversy and so many accusations then it just wears people out and they just think i

00:59:32 don't have the time to sift through all this i don't have the time to find out like it's not

00:59:37 worth it i'm just going to stay away from this guy yeah so people do the poison cloud fallacy

00:59:41 because it works because it's largely successful but you should be aware of it and you shouldn't

00:59:47 fall for it you should not give in to the slander um of of accusers against good men let's end the

00:59:54 episode with one final clip there's one more thing that was said um by by some guy that i wanted you

00:59:59 guys to hear. I had a conversation with a guy one time about this, and he was using his proof

01:00:03 text, Pilate washing his hands, of saying that the Jews had a higher accountability. And I said,

01:00:09 do you think that he successfully washed his hands of that? When you read that, do you read,

01:00:14 oh yeah, I'm Pilate. I'm the guy that said, it doesn't matter to me, not me, buddy.

01:00:20 That's when the theological angle of this becomes so real, is how easy it is to undermine the

01:00:28 biblical truth of the gospel subtly, right? And most of the people that push this stuff don't

01:00:34 have that conversation on that level. Joel Webbin won't have that conversation on that level.

01:00:38 Yeah. Joel Webbin won't have the conversation on that level. So now let's play from my sermon.

01:00:43 This is a sermon I preached two weeks ago. This isn't from years ago in the province of God.

01:00:48 Two weeks ago, I preached this exact sermon. So Joel Webbin won't have this theological level

01:00:53 of conversation you know hey let's pile it off the hook to stick it to the jews joel webman's 0.90

01:00:58 going to make these low you know intellectual level arguments about you know that the romans 0.76

01:01:03 aren't really guilty because why you know pilot washed his hands and in the sight of god pilot

01:01:08 washing his hands of the guilt of of jesus being sentenced to death that actually worked it actually

01:01:13 absolved pilot of his guilt and so only the jews are really guilty um no i i don't believe that

01:01:19 and I literally taught against that from the pulpit in my church two weeks ago. Roll tape.

01:01:26 Pilate washed his hands of the guilt, right? And God saw that and it worked. No. No.

01:01:34 He knew that Jesus was in innocence. And the fact that he knew so vividly his wife even having

01:01:43 a dream and the fact that his conscience was so torn that he was so knowledgeable of the innocence

01:01:50 of christ that he felt it necessary to put on this this performance in front of the people of

01:01:57 it's not my fault not only did it not absolve him of guilt it further further indicted him

01:02:04 the washing of hands was actually proof positive evidence of his knowledge of the innocence of

01:02:10 christ and therefore that greater degree of knowledge of christ's innocence indicts him

01:02:16 all the more so what are we talking about everything they said was a lie every single

01:02:25 thing they said was a lie when they when they lie they speak their native tongue it's second nature

01:02:31 I mean, I've rarely seen individuals be able to lie so naturally, so easily, so profusely, so consistently, so frequently.

01:02:45 I mean, we don't have, there's not enough time in the world.

01:02:48 And here's the deal.

01:02:49 These guys are not worth two hours.

01:02:51 So we can't show you every single inconsistency and lie.

01:02:56 but we wanted to show you a field to demonstrate the point that it's not just well these guys

01:03:03 aren't being fair they're not being charitable or we're being misunderstood no we're being

01:03:08 slandered there is a biblical sin category for what's going on it's blatant slander

01:03:14 it's actually a lie well joel would never speak with this kind of theological level this kind of

01:03:20 nuance. No, I do so on a regular basis. Here's the deal. I'm not omnipotent. I'm not God. I'm

01:03:27 not sovereign. I don't get to decide and determine what every single person is going to clip out from

01:03:34 my sermons or from my podcast and that will end up going viral and be seen by the most amount of

01:03:39 people, right? So the fact that you've seen some Joel Webben clips and the Joel Webben clips you've

01:03:45 seen don't contain the high level of nuance about how the romans were guilty and the jews were

01:03:51 guilty and also god the father ordained it and also no one takes my life from me but jesus freely

01:03:57 of his own accord willfully laid his life down and also you and i we ultimately are guilty because

01:04:04 we contribute nothing to our salvation save the sin which made it necessary we also are guilty

01:04:10 for nailing christ to the cross those kinds of conversations let's just be honest those aren't

01:04:14 the kinds of conversations that go viral. But the fact that when I say those things, it doesn't go

01:04:20 viral or it's not clipped out does not mean that I don't say those things. And it doesn't mean that

01:04:25 I don't want those things to be heard by a large audience. But guess what? I don't run the Twitter

01:04:32 algorithm. Right? So it's like, well, Joel, the things that you're saying that get, you know,

01:04:37 the most press are blank, blank, blank, blank, blank. Yeah. And those things I agree with.

01:04:41 those things are true was that yeah but but the things that get the most air time from you joel

01:04:47 are are not these things over there so yeah maybe you say them well here's the deal i am not in

01:04:53 charge i am not in control of which portions of my sermon or which portions of my podcast go viral

01:05:01 i'm not i'm not if i was i would make that sermon clip right there go viral because i would want

01:05:09 it would actually serve my interest. It actually helps me at a personal level. It would absolve me

01:05:14 of some of the accusations that I'm receiving. But I'm not in charge of the clippers. I'm not in

01:05:20 charge of the algorithms. But to say that because I haven't seen in one of your 30-second clips that

01:05:27 one of your enemies snipped out of a full hour and a half episode and made go viral on the internet

01:05:32 because I haven't seen this kind of nuance or high-level theology in the clips, in the highlight

01:05:38 real from Joel Webb, and that necessitates, that definitively determines that these are things that

01:05:42 Joel Webb never talks about at all. That is quite a leap. And I don't think that's just a misguided

01:05:49 assumption. I think that that's a blatant lie. I think it's deceitful. I think it's deceitful.

01:05:55 All right, that's our episode for today. We hope that you've enjoyed it, and we will see you again soon.

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The NXR Podcast - June 29, 2026

CN Weekly - The Real Reason Jeremy Boreing Is Talking About Joel Webbon

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