00:06:12.280But it is funny to think about, like, the left has always done this.
00:06:16.840It's like, oh, this person's here, whether it's Stuart Floyd.
00:06:19.120I mean, you can list a million people who they've tried to say, well, look at their behavior, look at their face in the opposition.
00:06:25.400And they snap these great photographs or whatever the case is of them standing up, right, for values.
00:06:30.580But the reality is that each and every time that we've seen someone like this, whether it be Rosa Farts or George Floyd, there are always some form of criminal, some form of vagrant, and it's no surprise.
00:06:40.740And so was Rosa Parks, for that matter.
00:19:45.040very likely, or will be, I think probably already, by some individual feds? Yes. Do I think that it
00:19:52.240is a personal liability that most men, given their vocation, their station in life, the calling that
00:19:58.980God has on their lives, that most men would be unwise to join this organization, that it would
00:20:06.880be an unforced error. Yes. Yes. I think most men should not join. If you feel called to run for
00:20:15.160office, you should not join this organization. If you have been gifted by God, you're savvy with
00:20:21.320business, with economics, and you could accrue slowly and organically over time monetary power,
00:20:31.060political power, economic power, whatever it is, and use that for the glory of God and the good
00:20:38.740of his people and your countrymen, then yeah, I think this is an unforced error that you would
00:20:45.500do well to avoid. Now, you personally avoiding it in terms of I'm not going to enlist, I'm not going
00:20:52.000to formally join the organization, does not require you actually to get on there and simply
00:20:59.520echo the boomer slot post. I mean, it was almost like it was organized, right? I mean, you saw
00:21:05.400post after post after post of SPLC, the feds are at it again. No, actually there are, believe it or
00:21:14.640not, organically in real life, disciplined, young, white, patriotic men who care about their country
00:21:22.960are not violent are courageous and are willing to wake up early and show up in a disciplined
00:21:31.120organized fashion and make a show of strength and say we want our country back is that the
00:21:38.900worst thing in the world right like i mean really like so i'm not going to sit here and disparage
00:21:43.980it so should you personally join i'm going to say as as a husband a father a pastor no that that is
00:21:51.440not the personal counsel that i would give to you does that mean you should disparage and you should0.98
00:21:55.900be counter signaling you should call them a bunch of feds no i i think that that's stupid right if0.91
00:22:01.560you're saying this is a bunch of feds no i'll tell you this is how you know if it's feds did we find0.94
00:22:07.140pipe bombs did we find uh did were people screaming saying go into the capital go into
00:22:15.640nancy pelosi's office take pictures of her emails no you know it's feds when they do something0.51
00:22:22.140criminal right that's trying to incite violence or talking about violence because feds are terrible
00:22:29.100well joel that sounds like that sounds like you're against the fbi of course i'm against the fbi i'm
00:22:33.380an american right like what patriotic american is like the fbi is on my side the fbi is terrible
00:22:40.180the CIA is terrible they're all corrupt they're all bought and if they were a part of it the way
00:22:46.160you know that it's truly run by not just infiltrated by a few individuals but actually0.88
00:22:51.400run by it's a fed op is that it does illegal activity and functions as a honeypot to get
00:22:57.880a well-meaning white right-wing American citizens to also engage in illegal activity but they did
00:23:05.040none of that, which makes me think it's probably the real deal. So we're not going to sit here and
00:23:11.140do the boomer slop. Well, it's just a fed op or it's the SPLC. No, no. I think it's well-meaning
00:23:18.840at some level. I think it's inspiring. I commend their courage. I commend their discipline.
00:23:27.680and then yet at a personal level as an individual man and as a pastor as I'm counseling young men
00:23:35.500Joel should I sign up no I also don't think I think that it's an unforced error and I think
00:23:41.200that there are other strategies and other tactics that are are more effective have more potential
00:23:48.480to be more efficient more effective for winning our country back right yeah and I think one thing
00:23:54.220in particular that frustrates me about uh the vitriol that's launched i mean for the left
00:23:59.180left wing it's not surprising at all they call them anti-semites and call them nazis or neo-nazis
00:24:03.680whatever the case is but i think particularly on the right it's like everyone acknowledges there's
00:24:07.520a male loneliness epidemic i mean people from the left to the right everyone's like oh men are lonely
00:24:11.780and and it's like if that man to your point earlier if he's sitting in his basement and he's
00:24:15.900just on on x just you know and on just tweeting all day it's like oh he's an incel he has nothing
00:24:21.260going for him uh you know so we can ignore his opinion it's like as soon as these men are like
00:24:25.720well we don't want to be that we we want to be men who affect change we look back into american
00:24:30.520history to our founders to samuel adams and all of these brilliant young men who made the country
00:24:35.000that we're now celebrating the 250th anniversary of some organizations during their day
00:24:40.180concealed their identity some of these founders wrote with anonymity some of them were mass right
00:24:46.600i think of the boston tea party sons of liberty all of these there are moments it was and this
00:24:51.240is something people just fail to realize i think in hindsight i mean every now and then you'll see
00:24:55.140some mention to it but that how young the founders are or the founding era i mean we're talking about
00:25:00.000thomas jefferson's 33 years old hamilton's like 25 years old aaron burr is 20 i think at the time
00:25:05.940of the revolution in 1776 it was a youthful movement and so all this to say just to bring
00:25:11.500it forward and say okay there's a male loneliness epidemic if the man is sitting on x and he's uh if
00:25:16.740he's just kind of participating in his own home he's not getting it out out and involved it's a
00:25:20.920criticism and if the man joins a fraternal organization where yes part of it is political
00:25:25.600activism but part of it's just hey let's have friends let's meet up let's work out all of
00:25:30.300these sayings it's even charitable endeavors like let's help this let's go clean up the community
00:25:34.160let's yeah exactly let's go uh there's going to be a a conservative demonstration let's just go
00:25:39.700be there as a physical presence a show of force to any left-wing agitators that might be there
00:25:43.960like all of these things like men trying to get involved this is where we we ought to have
00:25:48.300sympathy and say, hey, look, you're trying to do something. You love your country. That's very
00:25:52.460clear. And you're getting out there and getting involved. But what do we see from the boomer
00:25:56.700class? All the conservatives who are like, oh, young men, they're really struggling. It's like,
00:26:01.760it's just complete vitriol. They're LARPing. They're making fun of them. And so this is where
00:26:07.460it just falls flat. You realize the ossification of the Republican Party. It's like, if I'm a
00:26:12.220young man, these are my options. I'm participating in my local GOP, ossified boomers. I mean, it's1.00
00:26:17.860just no energy you walk into a uh right well we went to cpac right right this year because we like
00:26:23.700not because this is going to be based and we're going to learn no we went strictly as uh is it
00:26:28.940as cultural research they say yeah we walked in dude i mean it felt like walking into a nursing
00:26:35.220home like it felt like going into the icu i mean literally not not just metaphorically but but some
00:26:41.940of the people literally on life support it was the most lifeless um weakest demonstrate i was
00:26:49.680like we are cooked right we're done yeah no exactly and so so just you can imagine if you're a 21 year
00:26:55.540old man young man conservative right wing and it's like that's my option cpac right hey get involved
00:27:01.440go change and i'm not saying don't do this but i'm just saying recognize that that's what you're
00:27:05.760doing yes that it's going to be terrible it's going to be grueling and boring and and and it's
00:27:10.600going to be a slog or hey right over here here's another organization it's fraternal they're all
00:27:15.560young men they all have my brand of politics so it's not like i'm going in and trying to converse
00:27:20.660with the boomers and translate for gen z to a boomer class who doesn't care about my concerns
00:27:25.560it's like they all agree we're all feeling the same thing we're all going to have i mean we're
00:27:29.320either going to have children and be married and seek to be married or maybe we do and i'm around
00:27:33.560young men who have uh children my age and i'm participating with them in various elements of
00:27:38.920life whether it's working out like we all of the things we mentioned it's like given those two
00:27:42.800options are you surprised that young men choose this route right and then the vitriol you lay on
00:27:49.940them are you surprised that it only further invigorates them to that course and i just want
00:27:54.160to say one more thing of like okay what what are they doing it's like 400 people are showing up to
00:27:57.960the and i'm to be clear we don't really know how big patriot front is to a large extent it could
00:28:02.940be 4 000 people who knows they they're not going to obviously publicly it's certainly bigger than
00:28:07.000400. I think we can assume that it's not like every single individual that's associated with
00:28:12.440the organization was physically there. So if 400 was there, it's going to be bigger than that.
00:28:17.900But here's the point. Why are they doing it? Partly, I think one of the reasons they're doing
00:28:22.240it, and maybe they don't even say this outright, is we're trying to recruit people. For more than
00:28:27.880anything, what is this? A marketing ploy? Because what we're trying to show is like, oh, look at all
00:28:32.000of these spiffy fit well you know uh well disciplined young men marching in unison yeah
00:28:38.240the optics were like the optics were inspiring right and so in a lot of ways what they're trying
00:28:42.240to do is we know we're going to get all this press coverage right but we know that there's so
00:28:45.700many right-wing young men white men out there who are going to see this and align with it and say
00:28:51.200hey i want to get i want to participate i want to be involved and so that more than anything it's
00:28:55.540like well they're certainly not inciting violence i think there was there's definitely a missional
00:29:00.320element to, we want to say, this is what America is about. This is how we've fallen so far. But I
00:29:04.740think more than anything, it's probably just a recruitment tactic. Yep. That's a good theory.
00:29:08.860Here at the end, I want to cover two more things, two last things, but they're vital. I think they're
00:29:12.820really important. So one, at a personal level, I said from the outset, you know, that I have met
00:29:18.040a couple members, a couple individuals who are part of Patriot Front in the past. And I actually
00:29:23.960think it's appropriate. I don't think that I'm putting anybody in jeopardy, including myself
00:29:29.340and my church or my family or Patriot Front to share this information. So I'm going to share
00:29:34.140something publicly that I haven't shared before. The way in which I came in contact, not with the
00:29:39.800organization as a whole, not with the leader of the organization, but just with a couple
00:29:44.040individual members of the organization that live, you know, somewhat local to where I live and where
00:29:51.160my church is. And when I say somewhat local, I don't mean in the same town, but in central Texas,
00:29:54.920within an hour or two driving distance. The way that I actually came out or they came across my
00:30:00.840path is they had heard through mutuals that my church at a particular time and for a season
00:30:07.360was experiencing a lot of threats. And there was a sizable group of people that intended to come
00:30:15.380and protest our church. And some of the wives and children of our church were nervous about
00:30:21.700church attendance during that season? Are we going to be in physical danger? Are they going to try
00:30:27.060these left-wing protesters, try to take pictures of our license plates, dox our husbands, try to0.99
00:30:32.600get them fired from their vocation? And in that moment, in that context, I had a couple guys
00:30:39.520through mutuals reach out to me who were members of Patriot Front and voluntarily, right? We didn't
00:30:46.180ask for them. We didn't pay them. And they said, hey, would it be helpful? And they didn't insist.
00:30:52.380They just offered their services. Would it be helpful for us? We can get a few of our guys,
00:30:57.940not 100, not 400, but four or five or six of our guys for the next few weeks to show up early,
00:31:04.600a couple hours before your church service even starts. And some of these guys driving from two
00:31:08.540hours away, getting there two hours before the church service starts on Sunday morning,
00:31:12.720just to be there just to stand in the parking lot just to make sure that you guys are safe
00:31:17.760and that was incredibly kind right so just if something comes out just for the record
00:31:25.420um opinions change because new details come to light so if if something changes in the next six
00:31:33.360months or the next six years and patriot front all of a sudden is behaving in violent ways and
00:31:39.380doing pipe bombs and all those kinds of things. Number one, I would say, now we know for sure
00:31:44.500it's infiltrated by feds. It's probably the feds that are doing that. But number two, I would say,
00:31:49.020yeah, disavow. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, guys. I do not endorse violence. We don't do that.
00:31:55.100So this is not an immutable, eternal, you know, avowing of Patriot Front. Again, C.A., what I've
00:32:02.300already said, at the individual level, should I, young white man, join this organization? Probably
00:32:07.480not. Probably not, because I think it's just too big of a risk, and it's an unforced error. But
00:32:13.200standing back, 30,000 foot view, do I need to disavow and disparage these men? At a personal
00:32:19.520level, and I just gave you my reasons why, I can't speak for the organization as a whole, but I can
00:32:24.480speak for these individuals. You know what? I'm really grateful. That was really kind. Now, the
00:32:29.640last thing that I want to cover is, is Patriot Front a Christian organization? I think that this
00:32:35.800is an important question. So the individuals who are willing to help me in my time of need,
00:32:40.940peacefully, but with a show of strength, having an extra few pairs of hands and watching eyes
00:32:46.740on those Sunday mornings, which was a blessing, and gave the women and children, the families
00:32:53.140in our church, an added measure of security and safety. And we did this in conjunction with law
00:32:58.300enforcement. We had police officers there as well. Including men from the church as well.
00:33:02.500Right. Yes. So we had our own men providing, helping to provide security. We had police officers. We, you know, engaged the county, the sheriff, and met with the sheriff, all those things. But then also a couple of these guys from Patriot Front, which was a blessing. But those individual guys who helped us, they were Christian. They loved the Lord Jesus Christ, right? They were Christian nationalists.
00:33:24.340But is the organization as a whole? Are they Christian nationalists or are they white supremacists?
00:33:32.040And I think in doing some research over this weekend, looking into it, the best answer that I can give for the organization as a whole,
00:33:39.940obviously this doesn't accurately describe one specific individual member. You're going to have a sliding scale.
00:33:46.260But for the organization as a whole, I don't think that it's accurate or fair to describe them as white supremacists.
00:33:52.520but I also unfortunately don't think it's accurate or that they would even want to be
00:33:57.000described as Christian nationalists. I think it would be somewhere in between. The term would be
00:34:02.060white nationalists. White supremacists? No. Christian nationalists? No. White nationalists.
00:34:08.960And by their own account, by their leader and his own account, it would be on the religious level,
00:34:15.880right? So it's political, it's cultural, but there's also a religious angle. That's not
00:34:19.880necessarily the emphasis, first and foremost, but there is a religious piece. On the religious
00:34:25.580piece, it's not exclusively and publicly and unapologetically Christian. It's by his own
00:34:33.440admission, so I'm just quoting him here, it is mostly Christian, but it would include all, by
00:34:39.960his own analysis, all the historic religious views of Europe. Now, if you dig into that, what does
00:34:47.860that mean? Historic, you know, religion. It means some Thor worship, right? It means a little bit of
00:34:55.220Poseidon, a little bit of Zeus. It means the Greek gods. It means the Roman. It means the pagan
00:34:59.880pantheons. So think of it like this. In the past, we interviewed Arval. Arval is the guy who is0.70
00:35:08.000heading up the project called Return to the Land. Return to the Land is a white enclave,0.95
00:35:17.240a town, basically, that they're building, and you have to be white to be a part of it, right? So0.94
00:35:22.100racially speaking, you got to be white. Like the Hodge twins interviewed Arvall, and they were like,
00:35:27.700could we live there? And he was like, God bless you guys, love you. You could be neighbors in the
00:35:31.920town next door, but no, you can't, you know. But he was respectful and kind towards the Hodge twins.
00:35:36.880he wasn't like, are you kidding me? No way. You in words. No, he's like, love you guys. But no,
00:35:41.800we're trying to do something that's exclusively on the racial piece, white. Okay. Like freedom0.64
00:35:46.500of association is what they're arguing for. That's not my position. But I don't think that
00:35:51.720it should be a crime. I don't think that it's necessarily inherently wrong. You could have a
00:35:56.480bunch of sinful motives and incentives in your heart. I don't know. I'm not omniscient. I don't
00:36:00.480see his heart. But that's the racial side. On the religious side, Arvel would have that same0.53
00:36:05.520position it seems like return to the land patriot front very similar on the religious piece arville
00:36:10.820will allow protestants eastern orthodox catholics right so um all the christian expressions as well
00:36:18.300as um some some thor and zeus larpers right because well historically speaking it's white
00:36:25.720and that's where you know that's the part of the the bus ride the patriot front bus ride where you
00:36:31.240would i get off right right we're not really interested in uh in in worshiping uh thor we're
00:36:39.660not we're not interested in paganism um that's no we we are so we are unapologetically and explicitly
00:36:49.180christian nationalists we want to see america return to its christian roots not pagan roots
00:36:55.480but Christian roots. And we think that if America is Christian and true to its own heritage,
00:37:01.320then on the racial side of the equation, what that would mean is not exclusively white,0.51
00:37:06.860but it would be predominantly white because we were 90% white, not that long ago. We're not
00:37:12.380talking a thousand years ago or 200 years ago. We're talking like 1910, 1915, all the way up to
00:37:18.420about 1920. You've got about 85 to 90% of the country being white. And then you have a clear
00:37:25.040deliberate and calculated strategy with heart seller act coupled up within just a few years0.69
00:37:31.620of the civil rights act to erode and replace and and displace the white christian um majority of
00:37:42.380the nation and we think that that's wrong antonio we talk about this all the time antonio you're0.54
00:37:48.200half black and uh would you like to see america right now we're 59 percent white would you like
00:37:52.760to see that move to 30% white or move back to 70, 80% white? I would say I'd like to see 105%
00:37:58.900white. No, I'm just kidding. I would definitely, in order to be, I think, a historic, someone who0.99
00:38:04.780values the American tradition, values the things that we built as Americans, or America built,
00:38:10.000all of the institutions, the economic power, whether it's the Industrial Revolution, we might
00:38:13.840have our qualms with exactly how those things were accomplished. The reality is that America,
00:38:18.060when it was 90 plus percent white that that that's historic america yes so and and by the way 95 99
00:38:27.000percent christian as well right i mean in in terms of people who actually affirm for example the
00:38:33.040apostles creed and people will just say well then just stick with that guys i i love so much of what
00:38:37.620you say but you man you lose me on this this white stuff when you get into race it's like i love what
00:38:43.360Antonio just said, 90% white, but 99% Christian. So just make that, you know, make that the end0.83
00:38:50.620and beginning, the whole enchilada of your argument, just the Christian piece. But here's0.53
00:38:55.440the thing, guys. There's 1.4 billion Indians, right? H-1B visas. I mean, we're losing the country.
00:39:02.920But let's say that 400 million, right? You'd still have a billion Indians left in India.
00:39:10.300but let's say 400 million right we're about 330 350 million in the united states right now let's
00:39:15.900say that they were going to come to america and they promised to convert to christianity and not
00:39:21.220just in word let's say like that we knew for for whatever reason in that moment god supernaturally
00:39:27.200gave us election goggles right so we actually knew it wasn't just confessing with their mouth
00:39:32.260but it was truly regeneration of the heart a work of the spirit revival in india and 400 christian0.56
00:39:39.260Truly born-again Christian Indians are going to move to the United States
00:39:43.560so that the United States at that point will now be majority Indian.1.00
00:39:47.620We would both say, man, what a tragedy.1.00