The NXR Podcast - CONFERENCE - Poisonous Pietism ｜ Two Kingdoms Theology - Dr. Joseph Boot

00:00:00.560 Whoa, whoa, whoa, you're gonna wanna hear this.

00:00:02.660 Our next two conferences are coming up quick.

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00:00:11.640 and a holdover for the Lord's Day, November 12th.

00:00:15.560 Who's speaking at this conference?

00:00:17.380 Well, we've got Jared Longshore and Chris Wiley

00:00:20.620 and yours truly, Pastor Joel Webb.

00:00:22.980 And what's the title?

00:00:24.180 The title is The Household and the War for the Cosmos.

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00:00:30.960 That's the title for Chris Wiley's book.

00:00:33.200 Well, I can use it because he's gonna be there speaking

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00:03:22.040 It's good to see you all here again this morning. And again, a big thank you to Pastor Joel Webin

00:03:28.300 for allowing me to be part of your fabulous conference and to Dale and to James

00:03:34.960 sharing this time with me as well. It's a real blessing to be here, a real encouragement to

00:03:42.820 see you all, to hear some of your very, very encouraging stories about the way the resources

00:03:49.120 of the ministries that are represented here are encouraging and blessing and resourcing you. So

00:03:55.640 we're so thankful for that. Just a very, very quick word about the Ezra Institute,

00:04:02.140 the organization that, by God's grace, I founded in 2008. Have I mentioned our table at the back?

00:04:10.000 we we have slim pickings left now at the back on our book table but for those of you who don't

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00:06:29.880 brief advert because I wasn't didn't have one scheduled in the program let's just pray together

00:06:35.500 as we come to our subject this morning and I'm going to base my prayer on Romans chapter one

00:06:41.940 verses 1 and 2. Therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, I urge you to present your bodies

00:06:52.020 as a living sacrifice. Holy and pleasing to God, this is your spiritual worship. Do not be

00:07:03.620 conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may discern

00:07:10.860 what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God. Lord, your word is a lamp to our feet and a

00:07:19.540 light to our path. Open my lips, and my mouth will show forth your praise, and open our hearts

00:07:27.140 that we might receive what you have got for us today, we pray in Christ's name. Amen.

00:07:32.680 Amen. Well, the subject for today, poisonous pietism, two kingdoms theology, is an interesting

00:07:44.520 one. It's a little bit of a challenging one, too. And I hope that I'm glad I'm on first because

00:07:48.680 there's a little bit of abstract thinking that you need to do in this session. I've realized

00:07:54.600 after listening to Joel a few times that you don't actually need PowerPoint if Joel is here

00:07:58.720 because he gives you all the points before you get up.

00:08:02.180 And now I just fill in the blanks for you.

00:08:05.060 So in 1960, there was an NFL championship game.

00:08:10.240 It was a brutal defeat, actually, for the Green Bay Packers.

00:08:14.540 And the head coach, Vince Lombardi, implemented a training regimen

00:08:19.100 that focused on first principles after their crushing defeat.

00:08:23.740 And this is what he said to this three dozen professional athletes

00:08:27.320 that were gathered around him.

00:08:28.420 He said, gentlemen, this is a football. And I think if Western Christians are going to have any hope again of shaping our society with the truth, the freedom, the beauty of the gospel, we need to get back to basics.

00:08:49.640 We need to get back to some fundamentals.

00:08:53.380 And the challenge is that we are not here for a game, but for a cosmic-sized conflict.

00:09:02.400 The kingdom of light, as Joel mentioned, versus the kingdom of darkness.

00:09:06.780 And so we have to be prepared to root ourselves in that calling.

00:09:11.680 and there may need to be in some of our lives but in the life of the church in the west there

00:09:18.260 does need to be some reorientation of our ministries accordingly because the western

00:09:24.140 church is facing an existential crisis there's no question about that and this is in part because

00:09:33.560 there is an infectious thread that runs through the Western tradition that has never really been

00:09:42.000 properly rooted out. It was Joel that gave me the title poisonous pietism it's one of his sort of 0.99

00:09:49.740 punchy titles so I'm going to call that an infectious thread that has never really been 0.99

00:09:55.960 removed. It's actually not controversial now to assert that the church for the most part is no

00:10:03.320 longer a formative influence in the affairs of Western civilization. To a certain degree,

00:10:10.360 it's still more true in certain states in America. It's certainly not true really in Europe anymore.

00:10:19.060 If you were up early and watched any of the coronation this morning, actually quite fascinated

00:10:24.580 how interested American media is in the coronation. You're seeing there some of the

00:10:31.260 cultural vestiges of Christianity. It's not completely evacuated of its meaning. It's been

00:10:36.160 radically feminized. You saw female bishops there, some of whom are liberals. 0.81

00:10:42.520 So there's an element of pantomime, but there is still an element of substance to what's going on,

00:10:49.700 and that's actually thanks to the substance that's within the liturgy, and that fundamentally was not

00:10:57.220 altered. But it's a declining situation. There's less than a million members left in the Church

00:11:04.760 of England, and that declined a further 25% during the COVID era. The Canadian Christian

00:11:11.980 philosopher Calvin Sieveld has put it this way. He says, a foreign dynamic and the neo-pagan spirit

00:11:21.400 of the renaissance is shaping the culture of the world at the moment but because god and the church 0.90

00:11:28.800 are dead to the world there is inevitably come an all-encompassing frustrating loss of order

00:11:35.720 certainty and security in the world and that is disturbing even to those who suppress the truth

00:11:43.840 in unrighteousness we've almost reached a point where even the non-believing community is starting

00:11:50.960 to say, hang on a second, are men really women? What's going, there's something seriously

00:11:59.200 adrift here. Slowly, Christians are beginning to wake up to the fact that there's a pressing 0.88

00:12:05.520 question that we have to ask afresh, and that is, what is the nature of the relationship

00:12:12.560 of the gospel of Jesus Christ to the society in which we live? What is the relationship

00:12:20.360 of God's word revelation to the Christian's life in the world.

00:12:27.440 Now, for many centuries, one answer to that question has been the attempt to divide reality

00:12:37.060 into two parts.

00:12:40.300 One part subject to Jesus Christ and his word revelation, and the other, that is to operate

00:12:49.140 more or less independent of Christ and his word under a very general idea of human reason

00:12:57.180 and if you're a Christian a general conception of providence. Broadly we might call these domains

00:13:05.500 as the two kingdoms theorists call them the redemptive kingdom and a common kingdom

00:13:13.780 which corresponds essentially to the church and culture, the church and our life in God's creation.

00:13:24.960 And that would include culture, would include politics, law, education, sciences, the arts, etc., etc.

00:13:34.580 And there have been variations over the centuries in the West on this theme theologically.

00:13:41.960 theologically. There's a Roman Catholic version of this. There is an Anabaptist version.

00:13:49.520 There is a Lutheran version. There is an evangelical pietistic version. There's even

00:13:56.140 a reformed version, ostensibly, that you heard Joel talk about. So for simplicity, I'm not going

00:14:05.340 to talk about all of those. We'd be here all day. So for simplicity, we'll use the term

00:14:11.200 two kingdoms and pietism as umbrella expressions to cover the essential idea

00:14:19.120 of a fundamental division running right through God's creation.

00:14:25.080 A fundamental division running right through God's creation. Because what I want to do in

00:14:31.160 this session is deal with the formative ideas that undergird all forms of this pietistic

00:14:40.480 two kingdoms thinking, because we certainly haven't got time to digress into all the various

00:14:46.260 versions. So we'll talk about the fundamentals. Now, before I do that, just a clarifying word

00:14:52.800 about pietism. The word piety is an important word.

00:15:03.680 piety is an important quality in the Christian life personal piety it just denotes reverence

00:15:14.280 for God sincere devotion toward God but if you put an ism on the end of there like a lot of isms

00:15:22.600 you have a problem pietism is the tendency to restrict the meaning of the Christian life

00:15:30.400 to personal devotional disciplines, which of course are important, and your personal spiritual

00:15:38.260 growth. And that tendency to restrict the meaning of Christianity to that began in German

00:15:47.400 Lutheranism that had theological foundations in scholastic medieval thought. It made its way into

00:15:54.740 the English-speaking world and became part of modern evangelicalism. And pietists, generally

00:16:03.040 speaking, tend to see sort of biblical orthodoxy and especially the idea of Christendom as a sort

00:16:09.560 of dead religion. And they boasted more of a spiritual faith focused on the new birth and

00:16:17.040 their spiritual exercises. An emphasis gets laid on emotion and feeling and especially doctrine

00:16:23.840 becomes something considered more dry, more intellectual. So that's probably ringing a few

00:16:28.400 bells for you about the way some people tend to conceive of the Christian life. The cultural

00:16:34.460 effect, though, of pietism was the weakening of the church and the strengthening of the state.

00:16:41.560 It's a retreat inward, pietism. It wasn't able to combat the power of the Enlightenment,

00:16:51.040 just as Lutheranism was not able to deal with the rise of the Third Reich. 0.62

00:16:57.440 The Enlightenment perspective saw the state, not the kingdom of God,

00:17:04.680 as the truly universal concept under which we organize our lives.

00:17:10.640 The church then was regarded as an area of private faith.

00:17:15.800 The state was the realm of public reason.

00:17:18.140 private faith public reason and so the state would become the new arbiter of societal order

00:17:29.640 and this primary concern of pietism for the spiritual life then didn't contest the claims

00:17:38.400 of the enlightenment with regard to man's reason and with regard to the state and the same is true

00:17:46.360 of modern evangelical pietism, it's basically allowed the state to move in and control most of

00:17:52.020 life. And we've given up that ground pretty much uncontested by steadily retreating from all of it. 0.83

00:17:59.720 On the one hand, emphasizing the church and the spiritual life,

00:18:05.120 or ostensibly emphasizing the church, the church has actually steadily made a peripheral

00:18:10.440 all, an irrelevant institution. I think we saw that actually during the whole COVID era

00:18:16.420 and the lockdown of the church and the way in which much of the church responded to that.

00:18:24.240 In Canada, for example, the church was actually viewed by the state as not even,

00:18:29.760 it was less than a non-essential service. The non-essential services were opened first,

00:18:35.060 so-called and later the church that was after the second lockdown we challenged the first one

00:18:43.140 had some success and then because the most of the churches didn't stand with us the state realized

00:18:49.120 this is all bluster uh they're not going to stand up to us and then they rode roughshod over the

00:18:55.720 church in canada so the salvation of individuals from hell is seen as the preeminent concern of

00:19:03.660 the pietist not the glory the justice and the kingdom rule of God and pietism as well tended

00:19:10.540 to be antinomian didn't really have a place for God's law in society and yet it's amazing how

00:19:18.900 legalistic pietism is because actually if you want to the most the most liberated Christians

00:19:27.220 that I know are the ones that take the law of God seriously the most bound up Christians I know are

00:19:33.100 the ones that don't, and they replace man's human tradition with the law of God. And so

00:19:37.360 pietistic denominations and communions are all ready to condemn each other for not being spiritual

00:19:42.500 or holy enough or too charismatic or too reformed or too doctrinal or too this or too that, rather

00:19:48.760 than focusing on bringing every area of life into captivity to Christ. So the church ends up at war

00:19:56.260 with itself rather than dealing with the actual core conflict. Now that's in stark contrast to

00:20:03.660 the early church that engaged the pagan world. They quickly launched hospitals, care homes for 0.81

00:20:13.160 abandoned children, schools, homes for the elderly without families. They created courts of arbitration.

00:20:22.360 It wasn't a church in retreat from the world, but an organic body that was living out the life of the kingdom of God, teaching, discipling the nations in terms of what God had commanded.

00:20:33.520 And that was before the church could even own its own buildings to worship in.

00:20:39.060 They started doing these things.

00:20:42.800 R.J. Rushdooney has actually commented, and I quote him here,

00:20:45.600 the personal impulse and theologically grounded faith that we have an obligation under God to

00:20:53.280 minister to human needs to bring every area of life under Christ's dominion and God's law

00:20:58.960 and the duty to make God's earth his kingdom all this has been abandoned as the church has

00:21:04.280 retreated into the position of a mystery religion or cult all the world is surrendered to evil

00:21:12.960 And only a little corner, the church and the people in it, represent Christ's domain.

00:21:19.380 How will Christ, the king, treat a church that hands his world over to his enemies?

00:21:26.320 It is amazing how many people there are who actually believe they are holier and purer

00:21:32.740 because they have surrendered one area after another to Christ's enemies.

00:21:39.220 End quote.

00:21:39.760 now that's the essence of pietism so when we criticize pietism we're not criticizing personal

00:21:48.080 piety prayer the reading of scripture faithfulness to god in our membership in the life of the church

00:21:56.640 but a worldview that restricts the relevance of the gospel to those spiritual exercises

00:22:02.440 the fundamental question though that i want to address in this lecture is why what accounts for

00:22:08.940 the difference between the transformationalist attitude of the early church and, well, a church

00:22:18.100 that really revolutionized culture and this weak, pietized two kingdoms Christianity in the modern

00:22:25.680 West that has presided over the de-Christianization of our culture. We have some accountability for 0.65

00:22:35.320 that. Because it's on our watch. So let's talk about the philosophical root of two kingdoms

00:22:44.740 thinking. And it does get a little bit challenging here. Okay, but just try and stick with me.

00:22:51.800 Maybe you'll find it easy and I'm just imagining the problem. But lying beneath this dualistic

00:22:56.920 perspective is actually a non-Christian philosophy of life. That's the problem.

00:23:05.320 What makes the Christian perspective unique is a creational worldview.

00:23:12.260 But the Greco-Roman cradle of Western civilization did not have a concept of a free creation by an infinite personal God as revealed in the Bible.

00:23:25.120 And that's because the Greek understanding of nature, as it is expressed especially in Aristotle, was ruled by a dualistic idea, a dualistic religious idea of form and matter.

00:23:47.120 And this regarded reality, creation, as we call it creation, but it regarded reality what is as uncreated, an uncreated, amorphous, chaotic matter, which by a forming activity from an impersonal divine principle achieves a kind of coherence of form and matter.

00:24:17.120 So there's no free creation out of nothing by a personal God.

00:24:23.680 There's an impersonal principle, divine principle of form, and there is uncreated chaotic matter.

00:24:31.840 And that had the effect of dividing reality into two realms, the sensory and the super sensory.

00:24:40.400 The sensory is that that you can experience with your senses, the super sensory, that which you can't.

00:24:46.820 But they thought you could know what you didn't experience with your senses by a kind of intellectual contemplation.

00:24:54.720 So they thought of human beings as having rational souls that by contemplation could meditate on the forms, on the divine principles.

00:25:05.360 Now, that might sound very abstract. It is quite abstract.

00:25:09.460 But the impact of that understanding on what it means to be human was profound.

00:25:16.820 Human beings came to be seen as assembled, stick with me, of two components, distinct in principle, a mortal material body and an immortal rational soul.

00:25:35.320 Plato thought of the soul substance of the human being as primary the body was a kind of tool

00:25:45.680 like the way you drive a car so the soul substance sits in this material thing like you sit in a car

00:25:54.120 for Aristotle it's slightly more complicated form was the divine higher principle that's

00:26:01.740 embedded in the non-divine chaotic matter providing its unity and that unity the substantial unity

00:26:10.020 that's made up of that the rational soul is the essential form in other words it gives matter

00:26:20.340 its form its its distinction its identity now that view is a departure from the biblical

00:26:27.220 revelation which says there are no uncreated independent substances over against the all

00:26:34.740 creating word of god and human beings in biblical creation are a unity of an we can talk about the

00:26:45.320 bible talks about an inner and outer man but the inner and outer are a unity if divisible only

00:26:53.300 divisible to God we have the breath of God and the the man made from dust becomes a living being

00:27:02.880 a unity in the incarnation of the Lord Jesus Christ we have the unity of the human person

00:27:09.220 and the resurrection of Jesus is not the resurrection of a disembodied immortal soul

00:27:13.540 but the resurrection of a man a unity

00:27:17.380 but pagans were becoming christians

00:27:23.100 and by the late medieval period there was an effort to blend formally christian theology

00:27:32.860 with the ancient greek dualism i've just described and these thinkers were called scholastics

00:27:37.480 most notably thomas aquinas who i mentioned yesterday who was asked by the pope to interpret

00:27:45.740 Aristotle for the church, and he tried to build, at the Pope's request, a bridge between that

00:27:51.400 dualistic form-matter worldview and the Bible. This is so important for the Western tradition.

00:28:02.900 His project was to try and accommodate this Greek idea of form and matter, this dualism,

00:28:11.520 into the Christian faith, to be the angelic doctor of the church. As I said yesterday,

00:28:17.700 I have some sympathies with Aquinas. You know, Augustine struggled to shake himself free of

00:28:24.560 Neoplatonism. Aquinas, actually, his project was not to shake free of Aristotle, but to

00:28:30.440 embrace Aristotle and to use him as the resource for Christian theology.

00:28:34.840 now this unfortunate marriage meant that matter was the principle of imperfection

00:28:45.180 and the rational form was the thinking soul and the thinking soul participated in the divine

00:28:54.700 the result was that thomism divides creation into a natural and a supranational natural not

00:29:05.820 supranational i've been listening to too much politics a super a natural and a supranational

00:29:13.680 where's the teleprompter

00:29:19.860 change battery now Joe Biden

00:29:25.340 a natural and a supernatural realm and that legacy has actually remained with us

00:29:36.900 so instead of maintaining the biblical unity of the human person what emerges then theologically

00:29:44.420 is an uncomfortable assemblage of two independent substances a soul substance and a body substance

00:29:53.960 the flesh is conceived as the non-divine earthly matter of the body you'll see why I read Romans

00:30:04.940 12 1 and 2 in a minute

00:30:06.820 and that's conceived as a shell for the noblest part of man the noblest part being

00:30:15.040 the immortal soul which escapes the corruptible material flesh at death

00:30:19.280 the rational soul is the is conceived of as a sort of spiritual complex of thinking feeling

00:30:28.000 willing it's natural reason spirituality the body is implicitly or explicitly denigrated

00:30:34.860 in terms of lower desires carnal appetites and so on and so sin's root is located in these lower

00:30:43.820 fleshly desires and actually some of the church fathers made this mistake because of the influence

00:30:51.860 of Greek philosophy some of them rejected marriage rejected sex the sexual relationship within

00:30:57.400 marriage Augustine accepts marriage but he says it's better if you can be married and not engage

00:31:03.080 in conjugal relations and so this is the effect of the the Greek philosophical worldview on

00:31:12.740 Christian thinking now that teaching entails a very problematic idea

00:31:17.860 that God creates and then inserts sinful souls into each new body

00:31:24.800 so there was a sense of a need to shift the seat of the root of sin

00:31:32.060 from the soul to the body's lower capacities allegedly. Now that unequal yoking of creation

00:31:40.240 with pagan thought helps account for the medieval ascetic ideal of a monastic life

00:31:47.760 that if you really wanted to serve God you withdrew from marriage, you withdrew from family life,

00:31:54.260 You withdrew from culture and you lived in an isolated monastery and you basically punish your body as the root of sin so that your soul can be purified in contemplation of God.

00:32:14.220 Now, the religious superstructure that then gets built up around that starts to divide all of life into two domains, the natural and the supernatural, the spiritual.

00:32:23.420 and that got expressed in in medieval and scholastic theology and sadly in all two

00:32:28.720 kingdoms theology really as nature and grace nature is conceived in the medieval thought

00:32:36.640 there as form and matter and grace supernatural faith is that additional gift that brings the

00:32:44.440 immortal soul to perfection that was the roman catholic view still is

00:32:48.020 though our rational soul they said is wounded by sin it's deprived of the gift of faith it is not

00:32:59.360 seen as radically perverted and radically depraved by the fall there's no sense of a total depravity

00:33:07.700 the fall really just robbed us of a supernatural gift of grace i.e true faith that's restored

00:33:16.760 through Christ and specifically the church, because the church is the one supernatural

00:33:22.860 institution of grace. So that's medieval Roman Catholic thought. And so this synthesis of these

00:33:33.900 incompatible views led to the emergence of the idea that will be very familiar to you,

00:33:39.640 a secular and a sacred realm, a secular and a sacred realm. The one, the secular, is ruled by

00:33:49.420 reason and natural law, the other by grace and special revelation. Now, the medieval church

00:33:57.380 saw its role as a mediator of salvation in the sacred realm, but because of the concept of

00:34:07.820 Christendom, they tried to maintain a connection between the supernatural realm of grace, the

00:34:14.500 sacred and the secular. They kind of acted as chaplain to the secular government. Secular

00:34:20.440 government was running, yes, in terms of the dictates of reason, but the supernatural realm

00:34:24.960 was constantly sprinkling its pixie dust on the natural realm, an ecclesiasticizing life,

00:34:32.100 clericalizing life

00:34:34.420 at times nature and grace or emperor and pope battled it out for supremacy who would anoint whom

00:34:45.000 fast forward into the reformation you've got martin luther and the reformed calvinistic view

00:34:53.540 of the relationship of gospel and culture and creation and redemption and the mission of god's

00:34:57.860 people, and they move in two different directions. The Lutheran view, because Luther was educated

00:35:04.000 under William of Ockham when he was at Urfa Monastery, and he continued this very sharp

00:35:12.400 division of Ockham between the natural life and the supernatural Christian life. What Ockham did

00:35:16.660 is he said, this connection that medieval Christendom has maintained between nature and

00:35:22.320 grace we need to sever that there's no connection so luther begins to express a strong law gospel

00:35:30.340 opposition which is a persistent error the christian has nothing to do with the law for

00:35:37.620 the law is for the sin nature and it's in an antithetical relationship to grace whereas

00:35:43.260 actually the bible says that it's grace and wrath that are in opposition to each other not grace and

00:35:48.900 law. The law is stripped by Luther of its creational function and redemption is seen as the death of

00:35:57.800 nature rather than its renewal, rather than its restoration, its rebirth. And he thought of secular 0.74

00:36:08.380 government and social order as belonging to the domain of reason, not revelation. And so the

00:36:13.780 result is that the divide runs right through the center of reality for Lutheranism. Human culture

00:36:18.620 politics they belong to the realm of nature and law and so there's this constant inattention

00:36:23.800 between the gospel of love that belongs to the higher supernatural realm and your earthly life

00:36:31.760 and most christians who've grown up in the west feel this when you go to church you're told to

00:36:37.320 be holy be nice to your wife be nice to your children be nice to your colleagues at work

00:36:45.000 But the notion that there's a connection between the word of God, Christ's lordship, and your vocational life, your civic life, your cultural life, that's foreign to most Christians.

00:36:57.720 This false tension remains then entrenched, the opposition of law and gospel.

00:37:05.760 Secular life is religiously neutral, governed by principles other than the word of God.

00:37:10.500 creation itself is consistently viewed by most christians as something to be escaped

00:37:18.400 and not just you know hal lindsey and uh the and tim la hay and let's get out of here but

00:37:26.220 i mean even some within the reform tradition where you barely get out with a resurrected body

00:37:31.520 because creation is a devalued realm destined to be only destroyed

00:37:38.080 and so attention runs through the lives of most modern evangelicals between a sacred call to

00:37:46.560 holiness given by the church and their life everywhere else in other words creation and

00:37:51.300 redemption are cut off from each other redemption is for your soul so that you can go to heaven

00:37:58.140 you know the bible doesn't actually say you're going to heaven it says that

00:38:03.180 the new Jerusalem comes down out of heaven into the earth and we pray your kingdom come your will

00:38:10.080 be done on earth as it is in heaven and so this is indicative of modern evangelicalism's similar

00:38:21.500 denial of the totality of God's revelation being relevant to each area of life and so for most

00:38:28.600 there's no such thing as a Christian view of education or a Christian view of law or art or

00:38:34.300 politics or economics or scholarship or boiling eggs. I think that's Michael Horton sort of

00:38:41.360 mocking this perspective. There's no such thing as a way to, a Christian way to boil an egg. Well,

00:38:47.360 actually, I beg to differ, right? Because diet and food is something that the Bible has a lot to say

00:38:54.680 about. In fact, it was actually Charles Darwin who was doing his, in one of his diaries as he's

00:39:01.220 traveling around the Pacific Islands, he actually criticizes the explorers who are critical of

00:39:07.420 Christian missionaries in those areas. Because he says, if you are an explorer and you're shipwrecked,

00:39:12.420 you get washed up on one of those islands. He says, you pray to God it's one of the islands

00:39:17.760 that's already learned the lesson of the missionary, otherwise you will end up in the stir-fry.

00:39:22.260 And that's the truth. 0.97

00:39:27.440 So there is a Christian way to cook. 0.92

00:39:36.760 It's interesting that the clean-unclean distinction is not mosaic. 0.92

00:39:41.780 Because Noah is required to take more of the clean animals onto the ark.

00:39:48.680 Now think about that. 0.92

00:39:49.340 so with this continuation of Greek dualism dividing up life we're familiar with a whole 0.93

00:39:58.600 group now of artificial rifts and I'm just going to run through them really quickly for you just

00:40:02.440 so that you get it because I know it's been quite abstract so you get a picture in your mind of

00:40:06.160 what we're talking about here the body soul distinction that's hard and fast so those this

00:40:11.920 is a sort of uncomfortable assemblage of two components you often hear it said that we are a

00:40:18.640 soul and you have a body that isn't true that is not true when the bible talks about body and soul

00:40:29.580 it's just talking about different ways of looking at the unity of the human person

00:40:33.620 you are looking at joe boot right now right you don't have to look through me into some

00:40:44.100 invisible part of me this is me and i'm going to be resurrected i'm following christ out of the grave

00:40:52.020 that's the destiny of the christian life is resurrection

00:40:58.200 not disembodiment in some vague elysium like the greeks believed in

00:41:02.600 you know sometimes you go to a christian funeral and we know what they mean i'm not trying to take

00:41:09.580 away people's sense of comfort and you you get you're given the service sheet as you go in and

00:41:14.300 it says so and so passed away on such and such a day and went to their reward on such and such a

00:41:18.920 they didn't go to their reward the rewards aren't handed out until the end of time and the judgment

00:41:27.160 seat of christ and where we're resurrected together with all the saints the book of

00:41:33.440 Hebrews is clear about this. We're resurrected together. Now, I know what some of you are

00:41:42.120 already thinking. What about the intermediate state? Well, all I'll say about that for now,

00:41:46.700 let's deal with it in Q&A, is that's God's mystery. The Bible is almost completely silent on it.

00:41:54.660 Absent from the body, present with the Lord. You're already dead anyway.

00:42:00.240 The Bible says, you have died and your life is hid together with Christ in God. 0.91

00:42:08.340 That's true now.

00:42:09.800 I'm already seated in heavenly places in the Lord Jesus Christ.

00:42:17.860 So what tends to happen then is that we think of the human person as made up of these two easily distinguishable, separable bits.

00:42:24.960 and the invisible bit is the real person

00:42:28.760 and the body is merely a shell.

00:42:30.200 Well, if that was the case,

00:42:30.960 why did Jesus raise the dead and heal the sick?

00:42:36.740 See, Jesus' miracles, his signs,

00:42:38.820 were signposts to the destiny of all creation.

00:42:43.980 Salvation, salve, healing.

00:42:50.100 But we tend to think of the soul's destiny

00:42:52.080 as heaven or hell,

00:42:52.820 and the body and the earth are relatively less important. Body, soul. Material, spiritual.

00:42:57.600 We think of the Christian life as a spiritual life consisting of spiritual disciplines of an

00:43:02.860 inner battle against the lower part of us stemming from the body.

00:43:08.800 But Jesus doesn't say that. He says it's from the heart that come murders, adulteries,

00:43:18.000 etc etc it's from the root unity of the human person

00:43:22.560 we think of the material world as an encumbrance it's lesser or even evil we'll finally escape it

00:43:32.380 into heaven in the meantime we must suppress the desires of our material nature that's not what

00:43:37.680 paul says in romans 12 1 and 2 he says present your bodies as a living sacrifice holy and pleasing

00:43:44.340 to God, this is your spiritual act of worship. Presenting your body is spiritual. We think of

00:43:57.320 spiritual as this vague upper story of reality. No, you can be spiritual doing the gardening

00:44:04.040 because you're a spiritual being. To be a spiritual being is being a being who's constantly responding

00:44:11.120 to god natural supernatural most of life is just about the natural things of this world but

00:44:21.620 christianity is about a supernatural world beyond this one therefore the natural life and creation

00:44:26.740 are not as important as the supernatural world nature is mundane humdrum carries on in terms

00:44:32.800 of its own laws impersonal laws generally god sometimes breaks in and does a supernatural

00:44:38.780 natural thing like miracles which are much more significant and important than everyday life

00:44:42.820 that's not a biblical view of creation in the world either every day you get up is a miracle

00:44:49.560 right every breath you take the bible calls miracles signs right they are when god walks

00:44:57.560 down a path he doesn't usually go down to indicate something about the destiny of creation

00:45:02.920 public private public private our spiritual life of faith with its principles of discipleship are

00:45:14.920 a private matter of personal conviction we are not to openly argue for christianity as superior

00:45:22.880 to other ways of life or impose our views on anyone else because our private faith is not

00:45:27.400 for the public space because it doesn't involve publicly accessible knowledge that everybody

00:45:33.420 can approve of based on reason and anyway my kingdom's not of this world familiar with that

00:45:39.200 this is how this is the origin of it that's how we tend to think of it secular sacred

00:45:50.780 public private the secular sacred is that the the neutral non-religious secular principles we have

00:46:01.860 that everyone can agree on that's what most of the world's doing all of the time politics education

00:46:06.680 law science these are all secular areas of life natural reason is sufficient to govern them

00:46:10.860 the church though is a sacred institution of grace and that's ruled by biblical revelation 0.98

00:46:16.480 So you're a schizophrenic.

00:46:19.300 When you walk out of a church, you are now under a whole new different set of rules and principles and laws to govern your reality on that view.

00:46:27.600 So we have revelation, we're told, can't be applied to culture and society. 0.63

00:46:32.120 If you Christianize culture, you're mixing the upper and lower story, nature and grace, nature and supernature.

00:46:43.600 Different stories of existence. 0.73

00:46:45.000 I think it was Francis Schaeffer who used the illustration of a red double-decker bus, a London bus.

00:46:50.460 The upper deck is the spiritual, the lower deck is the natural.

00:46:56.200 So all the things like law, education, politics, the arts, the science, all these things, that's all lower deck stuff.

00:47:02.880 Prayer, church, Bible reading, spirituality is on the upper deck.

00:47:06.940 Where's the driver of the bus?

00:47:11.000 He's not on the upper deck, I can tell you.

00:47:12.640 the driver of the bus is always on the low and then we wonder why culture drives off a cliff

00:47:17.300 because we've surrendered the lower deck to the enemy to satan law gospel

00:47:26.260 law is uh with of the earth the material world the sinful natural desires gospel freedom is

00:47:32.720 spiritual grace for the soul the church is an institution of grace not law we're told

00:47:38.700 That's a matter for the state, and that's ruled by natural reason.

00:47:41.960 Grace throws aside law, because grace has no more need of law than heaven needs earth,

00:47:47.220 or the saved soul needs a body.

00:47:52.100 Have you ever heard a piano being played without a pianist?

00:47:55.300 That's the inner man without the outer man.

00:48:01.400 Whatever that condition is, before the resurrection of the body, it's a broken reality.

00:48:07.960 common special revelation i much prefer creation revelation than common

00:48:17.900 but the idea here is that natural creation is the realm of common grace common principles natural

00:48:23.860 theology natural law christ is the source though of special grace special revelation the one is a

00:48:30.160 ladder to the other but you need the the special edition of revelation of special revelation to

00:48:37.220 bring us to perfection but actually in the bible creation revelation in christ because the bible

00:48:43.820 deepens our understanding of creation in the newer testament by telling us that

00:48:47.200 christ holds all things together by his powerful word

00:48:50.680 he's the creator in the beginning was the word the word was with god and the word was god

00:48:58.060 he was with god in the beginning all things were made through him and without him nothing was made

00:49:04.620 that was made and him was life and that life was the light of men so creation revelation in christ

00:49:11.700 is no more acceptable to the sinner than redemption revelation in christ paul says it's all suppressed

00:49:19.380 in unrighteousness reason revelation another duality human reason is sufficient to understand

00:49:30.000 most of life and experience of the world to guide human culture in terms of neutral rational

00:49:35.920 principles it's prone to error sure but as far as it goes it's good it can offer

00:49:39.900 high probability proofs of God's existence God might exist just follow my argument

00:49:45.320 they'll be acceptable to right-thinking logical people

00:49:54.300 but supernatural revelation in the bible is necessary for eternal salvation

00:50:03.440 reason revelation science faith i'm almost done science and faith science operates in

00:50:10.800 terms of objective natural reason about neutral facts

00:50:14.040 neutral facts like you know covid and it's spread

00:50:21.300 follow the science

00:50:24.700 faith is unrelated to reason and is only concerned with higher value judgments of not what happens

00:50:34.820 but why things happen faith is about why not about the facts the what

00:50:43.400 The only truly Christian academic discipline is theology.

00:50:51.940 Theology because it's concerned with studying religion and faith.

00:50:56.600 There's no such thing as a Christian philosophy of science or Christian view of education or Christian philosophy of philosophy.

00:51:09.180 Theology is a queen.

00:51:10.560 Well, actually, I would say Jesus is king.

00:51:12.300 He doesn't need a queen. All the human disciplines and sciences are under Christ the king and his word.

00:51:23.900 Finally, culture kingdom. The kingdom of God is spiritual, invisible reality that does not manifest itself outside the heart and a supernatural institution of grace called the church.

00:51:36.660 It's about a heavenly reality.

00:51:38.920 It's not the present earth in human culture.

00:51:41.540 Earth is destined for total destruction,

00:51:44.040 so nothing in human culture has any abiding value. 1.00

00:51:51.120 So a lot of Christians, a lot of men especially,

00:51:54.660 who sit in the churches today and are urged to be holy, 0.57

00:51:59.280 think that their vocation is basically just about raising some money

00:52:04.560 to pay a tithe to the church institute and that's their service

00:52:11.260 these artificial separations this the goal is just getting souls into heaven into the

00:52:23.160 institutional church through this veil of tears this is a distortion of the biblical teaching

00:52:30.060 and it follows logically from the dualistic conception of the human person derived from

00:52:37.160 that form of matter philosophy of the Greeks when synthesized with the Bible's view of creation and

00:52:45.300 redemption. That's the thread. That's the thread. Let me close the next few minutes because Joel

00:52:56.500 went over and took my time. I think he was paying me back for yesterday's 10 minutes over.

00:53:03.040 I've got a few minutes anyway, but let me close this by just saying how this works itself out

00:53:09.200 in the life of the church and the kingdom. Because one of the central issues that comes

00:53:12.640 up now with this two kingdoms view is the nature of the church. The church is the ecclesia, the

00:53:20.160 called out people of God who Jesus says are appointed to a task to go and bear fruit the

00:53:28.340 ecclesia the called out people biblically the church is a people whose lives are oriented towards

00:53:36.400 the gospel of the kingdom and this life is much more than buildings and liturgies and structures

00:53:46.040 of the church institute. It includes those, but it's not limited to those. In that medieval

00:53:53.040 scholastic theology I talked about, the church institute and the kingdom of God basically

00:53:57.840 coincide. They're one and the same thing. So the church cathedral was called a basilica.

00:54:04.940 A basilica, from the New Testament Greek term meaning royal or king. That was the realm of

00:54:10.800 christ the church the basilica and the church hierarchy was christ exercising his rule and

00:54:18.800 authority on the earth through the church so you needed to use the church institute to

00:54:24.100 anoint or control emperors and kings and so on

00:54:27.060 the result is the ecclesiasticizing of the entire life of the christian community

00:54:34.120 clericalism that the reformation rejected

00:54:36.760 it wasn't just the to serve god didn't just mean becoming a cleric or a monk or a nun

00:54:44.440 no if you were a butcher a baker a candlestick maker you were a priest unto god

00:54:51.460 we are a royal priesthood a kingly people a kingly nation that we are all prophets priests

00:55:00.540 and kings in the Lord Jesus Christ. Doesn't mean there isn't a specific role for Presbyter's elders

00:55:05.200 in the government of the church institute, but it's not limited to this, the kingdom of God.

00:55:10.480 So the spiritual ideal of holy orders and asceticism was the ideal of the medieval world,

00:55:16.540 but the Reformation broke with that and spoke of the priesthood of all believers. Abraham Kuyper

00:55:23.120 actually crystallized that distinction. Let me quote him quickly. He says, the instituted church

00:55:27.720 finds her province bounded by her offices and these offices are limited to the ministry of

00:55:33.940 the word the sacraments benevolence and church government all other expressions of the christian

00:55:39.880 life do not work by the organs of those special offices but by the organs of the recreated life

00:55:45.640 the christian family by the believing father and mother christian art by the believing artist and

00:55:52.300 Christian schools by the believing magister, that is, teacher. So the worshipping community on a

00:56:00.420 Sunday that's so important to our lives is not directed only towards personal piety,

00:56:07.240 but it's the place where God's people are prepared for the liturgy of life in all creation. Do you

00:56:14.000 know what the word liturgy means? Public work. Public work. The liturgy of life in all creation.

00:56:22.300 the church institute is established so the body of christ can live out its kingdom life in the world

00:56:29.320 and so the church is serviced to this purpose the church institute is not an end in itself

00:56:36.460 you know that before the church existed in terms of its institutional structure

00:56:43.040 jesus and the apostles went about preaching the kingdom of god and people were entering it

00:56:47.660 so the basileia the kingdom and the ecclesia the church are not identical

00:56:54.220 the ecclesia the people are on in service to the kingdom and the king

00:56:59.340 so we cannot restrict even the kingdom of god not just can we not restrict it to the church we

00:57:09.800 can't even restrict it to kick to christian people in their personal relationships because christ

00:57:14.820 rules over everything everything that's why I think it was Joel who mentioned Kuyper's famous

00:57:23.680 statement there is not one square inch of the entire universe over which Christ the sovereign

00:57:28.940 Lord of all does not say this is mine Gordon Spikeman a reformational theologian he says this

00:57:38.940 it is our obligation to honor this claim of Christ's total lordship and sovereignty and to

00:57:45.460 press it whenever and wherever possible. This calls for political discipleship,

00:57:54.180 academic discipleship, in short, for all sorts of cultural discipleships.

00:58:00.260 this constitutes a truly staggering agenda end quote now that is startling to most modern

00:58:10.780 evangelicals who have been nurtured in a pietistic churchianity not christianity

00:58:17.760 take that one home that's good make sure you quote me churchianity

00:58:23.100 the notion that Christ's confrontation with systematic unbelief in culture should be

00:58:31.560 responded to with systematic belief is foreign to two kingdoms dualism

00:58:35.920 systematic belief in every area of life

00:58:40.580 and so this notion of common grace they often talk about becomes a disgrace because it's a

00:58:49.280 refusal often to obey the gospel of God by bringing all of life into subjection to Christ

00:58:55.020 and his word. Let me quote Siaveld as I begin now to wrap this up in the next minute and a half.

00:59:01.060 Siaveld says this, God's conserving work does not permit the newborn Christian to be satisfied with

00:59:07.200 a common grace Christianized culture. For then the Christian would be denying that the good news

00:59:13.220 has the power to set radically right what sin has misdirected and unbelievers are prostituting 0.99

00:59:18.880 however honorably. The Christian would then be selling the peculiar birthright we share as 0.97

00:59:24.640 children of Christ, the right to be the proper lords of creation's development, if the gospel 0.90

00:59:31.720 was not allowed to shed its full light for the time-bound recreation as well as for eternal

00:59:38.320 salvation. It is a regrettable mistake to think that because our gracious God's cosmonomic theater,

00:59:46.840 that's creation, allows all humanity to act coherently, that this absolves the Christian

00:59:53.420 community from our special calling to praise God ourselves wholly, unreservedly, in the bonds

01:00:02.060 bursting power of the Holy Spirit. In other words, he's resisting the two kingdoms churchianity that

01:00:10.800 uses robbery from anti-Christian culture as some kind of synthetic solution to the Christian life.

01:00:16.840 that we will just somehow sprinkle the pixie dust of the church on the way the world does everything

01:00:23.040 this is a disgrace zudemus says the sin of identification of the church with the kingdom

01:00:34.140 of god of church with covenant of church with heart religion whereby for all intents and

01:00:40.740 purposes this church as it were coincides with itself and christ coincides with the church is

01:00:47.000 all the more serious since it once and for all blocks the christian's freedom and the free reign

01:00:53.020 of god's word over the ecclesiastical offices humanly speaking nothing is so stubborn and so

01:00:59.660 hopeless so tyrannical and so anarchistic because nothing is so pious seemingly as this ecclesiasticizing

01:01:07.580 of the Bible and religion that's a bit of a mouthful I know what he's saying is if the church

01:01:12.920 institute is the kingdom of God and is Christ then how do you criticize the church institute

01:01:17.740 how do you bring the church institute under the word of God

01:01:22.700 no the church institute is subject to the word and in service to the kingdom

01:01:28.580 so much then of the evangelical community today

01:01:33.620 churchianity has replaced Christianity.

01:01:38.720 We've restricted the kingdom of God to the church institute.

01:01:45.500 But the kingdom of God is not divided in two.

01:01:49.480 Creation is not sliced up into the realms of sacred and secular, church and culture.

01:01:56.560 Rather, everything is being reconciled to God in its totality.

01:02:00.140 The family, the church, the state, the vocations, even your body.

01:02:11.980 If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature.

01:02:18.360 Old things are passed away.

01:02:20.200 Everything has become new.

01:02:22.520 We've got the deposit, Paul says, the Holy Spirit.

01:02:26.320 That's the deposit.

01:02:27.100 We haven't had the down payment.

01:02:29.000 We haven't had the full payout yet. That is the restoration, the releasing of all creation from its bondage to corruption.

01:02:36.080 And we as God's church, God's people, his called out people, are on mission in terms of that purpose.

01:02:45.740 God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself and he has given us a ministry of reconciliation.

01:02:53.420 and that means that sometimes we have a duty to criticize to prophetically criticize the

01:03:02.740 institutional church because the institutional church does not coincide simpliciter with

01:03:08.180 the kingdom of god there are plenty of churches that are hostile to the kingdom of god

01:03:14.280 there are some that call themselves churches that are hostile to basic christian truth

01:03:21.660 it's time then to disentangle ourselves from this diseased thread of a two-kingdom syncretistic

01:03:32.460 gospel of churchianity that has collaborated in the decay of our culture and the collapse

01:03:40.780 of a Christian calling and the impotence now of a politicized church and we need a new generation

01:03:48.000 of Christians who, in the power of the Spirit, take afresh up the task now of being Christian

01:03:53.720 lords in the development of culture as Jesus intended. And we need the truth of the gospel

01:03:59.540 of the kingdom to permeate all of life like leavened through the loaf, that we would be salt

01:04:03.780 and light and apply boldly the wisdom of God's word for the reconciliation of all things to him.

01:04:10.860 Let's pray. Lord, we thank you for calling us out to be your people as your church.

01:04:17.480 It's the body of Christ. Thank you. You've called us to a purpose, into service.

01:04:24.600 We thank you that all of creation belongs to you in its totality.

01:04:31.360 Every bit, every aspect, in a man, out a man.

01:04:35.680 amen we thank you that our destiny is resurrection life in and through the lord jesus christ and that

01:04:43.100 we have that down payment now lord help us in empower us fill us with your spirit that we

01:04:49.340 might be a people who spread the reconciling life and renewing power of the gospel to every

01:04:55.380 corner of creation and to every aspect of life for the glory of the name of your son our lord

01:05:00.240 Jesus Christ. Amen.

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01:05:31.420 Our nation and our totalitarian political elites lost their minds over the last three years 0.91

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The NXR Podcast - June 03, 2023

CONFERENCE - Poisonous Pietism ｜ Two Kingdoms Theology - Dr. Joseph Boot

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