CONFERENCE - The Reality Christian Men Face
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In this episode, Pastor Chris and Jared talk about the cost of being a Christian and the practical implications of it. They talk about what it means to be a Christian in the 21st century, what it looks like to live a Christian life, and what it costs to raise a Christian family.
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five-star review on your favorite podcast platform. Thanks. All right, here we go. So what
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I want to talk about is very practical, but the cost of being a man. So the things that we've
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been talking about at this conference, Jared has talked about, Chris has talked about, just talking
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about some of the practical implications of that. What is it going to cost? What's it going to
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require in order to have a household that honors the Lord, a household that is seeking to be
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biblically faithful? What is it going to cost in order to try to keep your kids? What's it going
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to cost to use those kids as artillery, to be potent, to be sharp, right? We want our arrows to
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be both sharp and straight. Those are kind of the two key characteristics that I think of.
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Some evangelicals, it seems as though the arrows that they have forged when they finally are grown
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and ready to draw back and to fire, those arrows are dull. And so they don't make much of a mark
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when it comes to pushing back the kingdom of darkness and the enemy. Others, I think this is
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perhaps even worse than a dull arrow, they have a bent arrow, an arrow that is not sharp. And this
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arrow happens not to be straight. In fact, it's so bent, so unstraight, that it functions more like
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a boomerang than an arrow. And it actually goes out and then comes back and hits the people of
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God. It actually becomes artillery for the kingdom of darkness, for Satan. Doug Wilson has said many
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times, you know, that Samuel, it would have done him no good to have five sons that took bribes
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rather than two. So we do want quivers full. We do, quantity is in the text. There is something
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to be said for many. Children are a blessing. And it is a peculiar thing when we think of blessings
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that God brings to us, there are a few blessings that we seek to mitigate, right? Like there are
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a few times, I'm not saying there's no scenario where that might not happen, but there are a few
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scenarios where the Christian is thinking, you know, God has been blessing us so much financially
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and we're just concerned. We're deeply concerned and we'd like to stop it. You know, the money
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just keeps coming in and we need it to, you know, to dry up and at least to come in more slowly.
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And if we could, you know, I think if I could just perform a little bit worse at work or if we
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could make some bad investments over here, or if we could do something, you know, so that instead
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of making 20 grand a month, you know, we could bring that down to 12, then I think that would
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be really great. You know, now some people do think in those terms, but not so much with the
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bad investments or doing bad at work, but usually in terms of charity and those kinds of things,
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we call them pietists. You know, they don't, they think that money, you know, your job and
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everything that you do, it's really worthless. This earth is going to be annihilated and burned
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up, completely disintegrated and melt like snow. And the only point of anybody having a good job
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and doing good work and getting a good wage is so that you can buy a 25-year-old car and live
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in a tiny house. And at the end of the day, every expendable dollar that you have can be given to
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the church and not the church representing the people of God or the kingdom of God, but
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the church institute, a particular local church, to their charitable fund. And that's a really sad
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thing. I think it was the owner of Hobby Lobby a few months back. It was announced that he was
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going to sell the entire company, the guy who started the business and everything. He was
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going to sell it and give all the proceeds over to charity. And he has children. I thought,
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what a wicked thing. In biblical terms, that is a wicked thing. Absolutely wicked. God hates it.
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right the bumper sticker you know i'm i'm spending my children's inheritance
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it's a wicked thing god hates it um and there's uh there's more that yes we want to be faithful
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to bring a tithe into the storehouse i do believe in a biblical tithe i am sympathetic though with
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that um in this day and age when the state is taking care of so many of these needs albeit
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they're doing it poorly but the state nonetheless is taking care of so many needs
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And the state is taxing you at three times the tithe, right?
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You know, it's one thing when the state rivals God.
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God asked for 10%, you know, and that's what's said.
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You know, when Israel asked for a king, you know,
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and God says to Samuel, go and tell them, you know,
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if they get a king, you know, they better watch out
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what a deal that would be awesome 10 like we're way past that so god is saying like be careful
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like if you give them a human king in this form of government they're going to require 10 that's
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what i require and anything that rivals what i require is tyranny so we're three times god's
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definition of tyranny and speaking of taxes um so you know knowing those things thinking in those
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terms i am sympathetic i'm not you know my church will be able to tell you you know about half of
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the people here are members in our church to the point where I actually think I'm going to have to
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do better next year because I feel convicted. But I just never, I don't ever talk about giving. I
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just, I recognize it's a very, very, very difficult, it's a difficult time right now that, you know,
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you're being robbed constantly. You're being robbed through inflation, which is robbery, and through
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wrong taxes, unethical taxes, which is robbery. The church doesn't fulfill a lot of what it
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ordinarily would fulfill in a perfect theonomic society. And so all that being said, I am
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sympathetic. But at the same time, I would also say, I said this a couple of weeks ago to our
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members, I said, the solution to being robbed cannot be to rob God. So I'll say that again.
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The solution to being robbed by man, Caesar, or whoever it may be, the solution to being robbed
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by man cannot be that we in turn choose to rob God. And so the people of God must be generous
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people. But all that goes back to the point of bringing up that illustration is to say money
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as a case study, as an example. Few of us are thinking in terms of, man, I just got so much
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of it. And it's just, God has just turned on the faucet of his blessing in this financial vein.
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And it just keeps coming. And if I could just, if there's any way that I could slow it down or
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stop it or mitigate, it's just too much blessing. Likewise, children, in terms of the way that God
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sees in biblical terms, children are not only blessings, but children are wealth. Children are
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wealth. And so in the same way that, you know, if your job, if they, you know, you went in,
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your employer said, we're going to double your salary. I think we should be thinking in similar
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terms. If, you know, if God is placing on our hearts as we're reading the scripture and being
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informed by biblical worldview and being convicted by the spirit, if we're thinking, you know, we
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have three kids and maybe we should go for six. I think that that's in the same vein. We should
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be thinking, maybe God wants me to be twice as rich, twice as wealthy. And I mean that in the
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literal sense, not just a spiritual platitude. It is a spiritual wealth. But beyond just a
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spiritual wealth, I mean it in the literal sense. I think that children are a massive asset to a
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household, to a family, if we can find ways, by the grace of God, to actually have households
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and to attach industry and wealth building and those things back to the family, back to
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the household. A couple of weeks ago, Andrew Isker and A.D. Robles came out. We were working
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on a special recording project that Lord William will put out there in January. We're doing
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something a little bit different. Instead of just a show, I wanted to have them in the studio,
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in person, the three of us. We were going over Isker's book, The Boniface Option, doing it in
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person and it's going to be nine episodes long. So instead of just one episode, multiple parts
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series on a particular topic, going deep. And then Nathan, who is our tech director with Right
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Response Ministries, is going to take a couple months on the back end. And he's already working
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on that in post, editing it and adding a little bit of B-roll and some music and doing a really
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high level of production. And then we'll release that Q1, Lord willing, of next year. And then
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then we're already working on Q2. So the goal is to do it four times a year, have this, we're going
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to call it the Friday special. So it'll come out on Fridays in multiple parts series, eight, nine,
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10 episodes, each time a couple of different guests. The first one is with Isker and A.D.
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And when I was talking to Andrew, you know, as we were recording the series and talking about
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the household and talking about freedom, being a free man and talking about slavery
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is that a slave could not have his own household.
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Now, depending on the master of that particular slave
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It could be such a way that the master even honors the slave,
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or it could be absolutely inhumane and abusive,
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and in the more humane examples of slavery throughout the world,
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slaves would be permitted to marry and permitted to have children.
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They could have a family, but they couldn't have a household.
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There's a distinction between a family and a household.
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So a slave could have a wife and have children,
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Let me give you one case study of one of my favorite slaves, Joseph.
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And we don't think of Joseph as a slave because we think, well, Joseph was exceedingly wealthy and influential and authoritative.
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I mean, he had affluence, influence, wealth, all these things, power, authority, command.
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But Joseph was still technically a slave, viceroy of Egypt, second in command, you know, above all.
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save Pharaoh. But what Joseph could not do, right? He was permitted to marry
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and have children and had immense authority and prestige and all these things,
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but he still couldn't go home, right? Notice that. It's not that Joseph lost his faith.
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In all his time in Egypt, I think what we're meant to understand from the text and the Genesis
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this narrative, is that Joseph remained faithful to God. His God was Yahweh, that he remained
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faithful to God and to his family, to his true household, to his people, his father.
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The reason that Joseph, when he finally reached the top, the reason he still didn't return but
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stayed in Egypt is because he was not permitted to return. He was second to command of all of
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Egypt, given authority and all these things and had a wife and had kids, but he was still a part
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of Pharaoh's house. He was still a part of Pharaoh's house. A slave cannot be independent.
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A slave doesn't have their own household. And that's the world that we're living in now. And
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so you need to know that, especially speaking to men in the room. It's not a exaggeration or
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hyperbole uh it's absolutely literally true that you'll own nothing and you're supposed to be happy
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that is the goal and that's not the action it's not just the result of sin and compromise along
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the way for you know the last several decades and i would argue you know a good bit longer
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but no it's not just the consequences of evil man making wicked wicked choices but no it's actually
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i believe it's the design i've come to believe that i've come to believe that this was the goal
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the goal was power and if you're going to have power it's nice if your citizens are slaves
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slaves can't revolt you know and you know one of the things i think that ironically keeps americans
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as slaves you know but without knowing it because that's the best kind of slave is a slave who
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thinks he's free you know and those who are actually in control they can sit back you know
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in a private room and they can laugh about it, have a good chuckle together. These slaves actually
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think that they're not slaves. They think that they're free. And one of the things that does
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that is the Second Amendment. You know, that, well, you know, we still have our guns, you know,
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but nobody's going to use them. Nobody ever will. And I'm not saying, you know, that I'm against
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ownership. I'm very much for it. I think responsible ownership is not only permissible, but I
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think that you could make somewhat of an argument that it's even a command. I'd be careful
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But if you're a man, you need to protect and provide.
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And I think physical protection is a part of that.
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But taking back the country, it's not going to happen.
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or we're slaves in terms of our situation, our life situation.
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We're slaves in terms of our minds, our mindsets, right?
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Another Wilson-ism, you know, the difference between, you know, freedoms that, you know,
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the Democrat Party would argue for versus freedoms, at least your traditional conservatives
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might argue for is the freedoms that are argued for by a progressive, politically progressive
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are the freedoms that can be enjoyed by someone in, you know, a 10 by 8 prison cell.
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The freedoms to, you know, not be sober-minded.
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You know, the freedoms to, for just physical pleasure, to just serve yourself.
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You can think of the kinds of things that you could do in a small room, in jail.
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The things that you could do and the things that are done.
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yeah that's that's freedom i guess you could call it that but but you know here's my counter but is
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it this is freedom yeah but is it like that that's a debased freedom but it's also it's a pathetic
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sad freedom it's it's not really freedom whereas conservative freedom traditionally is the freedom
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Those kinds of freedoms you cannot have in a jail cell,
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that are becoming increasingly rare and difficult to have
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because the whole nation has become a proverbial prison.
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And it's really hard to have a single income family
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and for your wife, Titus II, to be a worker at home.
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And it's incredibly hard not to rely on public schools,
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So I'm laying the framework, and I just, I don't know.
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But the cost of biblical manhood, when I speak of that cost,
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I mean in a very, very literal, practical, financial sense.
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Now, that's not to say that you can't faithfully follow Christ and be poor.
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So the Christian worldview does not require that you are in a certain economic class in order to
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be an obedient Christian. Christianity has thrived in poverty. It's thrived among the rich.
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Paul even says, whether I abase or abound, right? So whether I'm rich or whether I'm poor,
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found in all things that there's a way for me to be faithful, namely to be content,
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and that godliness with contentment is great gain. There's a way to honor Christ,
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be faithful to Christ, obedient to Christ in all these different ways, regardless of your economic
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status, whether you're rich or whether you're poor. But the poverty that we have today, I do,
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I want to argue, okay, you know, nothing new under the sun of, you know, fair game. Anytime you quote
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the scripture, that's, you know, that's usually a good point made. It's always a good point made.
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Nothing new under the sun. But when we think of wealth, here's the deal. So this is what David
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you know radical and these kinds of things this is uh russell moore a popular sentiment in
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evangelicalism and quasi you know semi-reformed evangelicalism over the last 20 years uh what
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you would hear again and again is we're rich if you're in america you're rich we're so rich we're
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so rich okay but but how do we define wealth that's something that i've i've thought a lot
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about over the last few years because if we define wealth in terms of access and convenience and
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immediacy then okay americans are exceedingly rich and i understand that argument the argument
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goes something like this you know that the average american even if you're on you know
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food stamps and welfare the average american still has immediate access to more information
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more knowledge and more personal immediate convenient comforts than a king from not that
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long ago, right? So Pharaoh, how many people would have to be in Pharaoh's employment to keep him
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cool, physically cool, if it's summertime and it's hot and he's trying to sleep, right? How many
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people are having to work these physical fans, right? But how many people, how many servants
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would he have to send out across the world, you know, in order to spy out this or to get this
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information or to inform him in that way? How many servants in his employment for just the sake of
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entertainment right you can imagine pharaoh you know surfing through channels right so he's got
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50 people over here acting out one play and he watches it for a while he's like stop you guys
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go you're on oh okay let's see what's on this channel now okay let's pay that you know but
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even then even if he had 10 000 different servants acting out different plays the best
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in all the land you know that still equates to what i know you break it down divide it there's
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50 over here and 40 over there and 30 over there and there's people working sets in the backdrop
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and all that like we still have more entertainment options than pharaoh by a long shot like a lot
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more pharaoh is poor by comparison if here's the ticket though if wealth is being defined
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and i would argue solely defined in terms of convenience comforts access
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but what if wealth here's another way just this is crazy you know it's really crazy but just
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you know humor me what if wealth one at least one i'm not even saying it's the soul way right
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so hear me out i'm being reasonable here i'm a reasonable guy i'm not saying it's the only way
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but what if at least just one way that you could define wealth was ownership
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exceedingly poor some of the poorest people on the planet
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when you think it like in biblical terms you talk about abraham
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right you talk about isaac and jacob the patriarchs but there are a multitude of examples
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that could be cited and they have far less convenience and comfort and access
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immediacy those kinds of things than we do today they don't have hvac they do not have the internet
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they don't have this little brick in your pocket that can give you information all over the world
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now most of it's bad and i don't mean bad morally there's plenty of that too but i mean like most
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of it's fake like it's not even true information we're the most informed but the least knowledgeable
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and certainly the least wise but we have all this immediacy this access this comfort this pleasure
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entertainment at our fingertips and all these things but if wealth at least one way that wealth
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can be described or defined is not just those things those metrics but ownership then America
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is very very poor the average american is very very poor and the best that i could compare it to
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when i think of you know history and other different people who would be like that that
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would have that level of poverty if we're talking about wealth or lack thereof in the ownership
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vein the only other group of people that i could think to describe that would be similar to americans
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would be slaves you don't own anything you don't own property you don't own a house
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you probably don't even own your car some of you and any of it can be repoed at any moment
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you have nothing right now to give to your children right why the emphasis right why so
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much emphasis on the spiritual? Well, one, because the Bible puts an emphasis on it. It is right.
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But we say, you know, well, you know, spiritual training is of eternal value and infinite. That's
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true. And then we say, you know, and physical training is of no value. But that's not what
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the text says. The text says the spiritual matters more. The eternal matters more. But it's not
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spiritual training is of infinite value and physical training is of no value. No physical
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training despite the fact that spiritual training is worth more physical training is still worth
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there's still some value to this world to nature to the physical realm to the practical there's
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something to be said for working out right there's something to be said believe it or not you know
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these are the things if you want to get in trouble on twitter here's the thing you might be thinking
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that's random? An adoption tweet? Eric Combe? Like, why did that trigger everybody? You know,
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the week before, what was it? It was working out. And then this week, it's like, should we wear a
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suit or not on Sunday? So it's dress codes and working out. And then there's always, you know,
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old faithful, you can fall back on Joel telling his wife not to read, you know. So that, you know,
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that upsets people too. But, you know, if you want to find the common denominator, because there is,
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did you know that it's not random there's it's there's a threat the threat is nature
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what i mean by that is if you want to upset people today and when i say people i mean christians
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christians if you want to upset people today all you have to do is emphasize be it ever so small
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be it ever so nuanced with all the disclaimers and all the different parenthetical statements
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give any emphasis or priority to the physical natural world at all today
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and christians will lose their minds they the vitriol will be out of this world they will
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scream they will rage you will be called a heretic
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you will go viral right if you're struggling if one of the things you're struggling with is just
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a sense of importance or significance and you don't care if people like you just want to be seen
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i've got some ideas i can make you a star real fast
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these things i mean it's just people lose their minds they just see red they're not even they
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can't even they can't even have the discussion anymore there's no argument you're not allowed
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to have a debate you're not allowed to discuss it you're not allowed to push back you're not even
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allowed to be humanized much less charity real christian charity treated as a brother in christ
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it's just you're done you're scum you're dirt you're a heretic i mean that's the way that
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you're going to be treated for what because you denied justification by grace alone through faith
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alone christ alone right no no because you said maybe maybe biblical patriarchy in theory
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might actually have some implications in practice
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or you said maybe just maybe annihilation is not the biblical worldview and the world will not
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literally dissolve like snow and that the creation is groaning with eager expectations
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for the sons of god to be revealed not so because in the revealing of the sons of god the creation
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will be taken out back by god behind the woodshed and put down the creation is not eagerly desiring
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the sons of god to be revealed because in the sons of god's being revealed creation will receive a
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mercy killing from the lord but rather that in the sons of god being revealed creation alongside the
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sons of god will be restored also with them and that the new heavens and the new earth new earth
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doesn't mean another earth but this earth made new to even suggest that that like this world
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and i mean this like this rock this dirt this place that it matters
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that it matters and that physical health matters and certain physical practical disciplines matter
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and even how you dress on sunday yeah we don't want to be we want to be careful not to offer
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you know it with with very condemning hardline definitive language extra biblical commands but
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but a general sentiment of on the lord's day yeah let's try to dress well
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you know or or the idea that you know adoption is great and when it happens by the grace of god
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when it happens especially when it happens well it is a picture of the gospel and for the record
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I was adopted. My parents are here today. I was adopted as a baby. I had heart problems.
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They were asked, I mean, you sure? You sure? My dad, famous line. Are you kidding me? That's my
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son. Got on the life flight helicopter with me as a little baby and would fly over to Herman's
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Children's Hospital. And I said, my parents are heroes and I'm not going to sit here and poo-poo
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on adoption. I'm pretty grateful. Pretty big fan. But do you know why the adoption tweet got so much
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vitriol? Nature. Still had the same underlining common denominator. What was the nature aspect
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there? Kin. Natural, biological children. I'm not saying kin-ism, but this idea that actually
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we have obligations. There is an ordo amoris. There is actually an order of loves. There is
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triage. There's priority. The church is commanded, right? So it's not even Christian religion if it
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doesn't care for widows and orphans. Of course, of course, James 1.27 is the Word of God, right? You
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must care for widows and orphans. You must, and keep yourself from being defiled by the world.
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That's true religion. That's pure religion. It's not just doctrine, but it's practice, and that
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practice should be explicitly seen in care for widows and orphans this is what paul says in
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galatians when he takes his doctrine and he lays it before the apostles in jerusalem and they say
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hey you're you're on point every single thing your systematic theology is baller this is this
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is bovink level stuff you are on point at every single level we just wanted to say though also
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care for widows and orphans the very thing i was eager to do that one i was thinking that too
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Be fruitful and multiply is an explicit command given to individual married couples.
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What I mean by that is that we, as Christians, as the church, corporately, collectively,
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must, it's not just a suggestion, it is a command, we must care for the widow and the orphan.
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But precisely you as an individual household, you do not have any such command that you must adopt
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to where if you don't, you're in sin. Now when you do, and you do it well by the grace of God
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and wisely, it is a picture of the gospel. It is beautiful. And people grow up and by God's grace
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do things for his kingdom like me i would not be here if it wasn't for my parents and they raised
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me in the fear of the lord and i am an adoption store but when eric khan tweets about adoption
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you know who doesn't get offended men and by the grace of god i'm one of them
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women get offended and i mean of women of both sexes
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but men don't and we need men we need men and it's a low bar right now i'm not i'm not the
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most manly guy i'm really not but i mean if you just have like barely any testosterone at all
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you look like you look like just the most masculine person who's ever lived i like i
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And a lot of the stuff that I'm saying, I'm saying to myself,
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But when you're looking around, it's like the Wally movie, you know,
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And you look at someone like, it's like, he has facial hair?
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I didn't know the male face could do that anymore.
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And he's able to be offended or disagreed without being offended.
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and those kind of, so the bar is low, but all the things, my point is the underlining thing,
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it's nature, it's nature, it's nature, and that's what Eric was saying in that, you know, that tweet
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was, no, but don't adopt as a substitute to having children, because be fruitful and multiply
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is a command given to individuals, whereas caring for widows and orphans, it doesn't tell you exactly
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how, so it could be an orphanage, it could be adoption, and it's given to the church as a whole
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collectively. Not each individual Christian household is commanded. You must adopt. And
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then when adoption has, you look at like church history and some of these things. Well, a lot of
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it is, again, it's the order of loves. It starts close. It starts at home and it works out. So
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like World War I, World War II, even recent, you know, history. It's, well, think of Narnia,
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Peter and Susan and Edmund and Lucy, for goodness sake. You think of them and where do they go?
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well, you know, dad's in the war and mom can't take care of him.
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And so naturally, you know, they ship him off to a family in Uganda.
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No, never heard of such a thing until 15 minutes ago.
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They go to a relative, to another family member.
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if any man does not care for, and it's both household,
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his immediate family, but then also his extended family beyond that.
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and if he doesn't do these things if he doesn't care for these people then he is worse than an
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unbeliever he's denied the faith and now to even make that statement today you you will be you will
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be absolutely condemned and shrieked at but not by not by leftists not by pagans not by unbelievers
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that's where you'll get the pushback it's it's remarkable another thing just to mention well
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weren't christians taking people who weren't related to them i mean taking children in rome
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you know off the ash heap the dung pile especially girls and bringing them into their homes and
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adopting them praise god do you know how much money it cost to do that did you know that rome
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set up, you know, they had a booth there, right there by the trash heap. And every time a Christian
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came to take one of those babies, they said, this is going to be 40 to 70 grand. Oh no, that part
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didn't happen. Adoption is an industry. In the West, in America, it's an industry. And adoption
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is not cheap. So it's one thing when Christians are saying, we're going to lay down our personal
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comforts and our desires because we're going to care for the downtrodden and the oppressed and
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adoption is a picture of the gospel it really is and we're going to model that out and jesus told
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us james his brother told us that religion that is pleasing to the lord that's pure it cares for
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widows and orphans we're going to do that we're going to do that collectively we're going to start
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orphanages george muller and all this but we're also going to do that individually as families
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we're going to adopt and we're going to adopt those who have been completely forgotten neglected
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and discarded and thrown away praise god and christians did it then and they should do it now
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but that doesn't mean each individual family must do it now and it certainly doesn't mean
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that adoption is a sacrament and that through adoption you can achieve sainthood
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protestants we we have our extra sacraments too we don't call them that but we do
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and we have our ways of being sainted being just a grade above the rest we need to be careful of
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those things but the thing at the end of the day again i'm going too long on the adoption thing but
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the common denominator is nature right there's there's a subtle despising it wouldn't be said
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it would never be verbalized nobody would actually come out and admit it but there's a subtle
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despising of physical nature of of biological natural children of at every level of being
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masculine or being feminine so whether it's we're talking about gender or whether we're talking about
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marriage or family or children or personal hygiene or down to your dress anything that deals
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outside of the abstract outside of the realm of theory outside of the spiritual anything that is
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practical and physical and temporary and plain is going to be demonized. And part of the reason is
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because you lose down here. And in order to prove that those who believe that you lose down here
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were right about that, they're going to help you lose down here. And one of the roadmaps for losing
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down here is to not care about anything that's real see christians have ironically they've done
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the very same thing that chris was talking about during the q a when he said you know that one of
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his sons really cared about video games and they were driving by and saw this whole virtual you
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know arena and all this kind of stuff and he's like i'm not really interested in that anymore
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i want the real world you know who else wants the real world jesus
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gone. I mean, Jesus bought it. He wants it. He has it.
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And his blessings flow as far as the curse is found. He's progressively and gradually
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throughout this gospel age and real human time in history, he is winning back this world
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and expanding his kingdom over the whole face of the earth. God cares about the world. Satan
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cares about the world. He's always cared about the world. Democrats, they care about the world.
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God cares about it. Satan cares about it. Democrats care about it. The only people who
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don't care about the physical world have been Christians for approximately 150 years.
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The only group that doesn't actually care about the world.
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Everybody else cares. Angels care. Demons care. Satan cares. God cares.
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god's enemies in terms of human beings they care but god's people are the only ones who
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somehow come up with a theological explaining through gymnastics and hoops to where the world
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just doesn't matter in fact if you care about the world at all you are worldly
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lead not only should the world not be a priority but to prioritize it is is not only a waste of
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time but it's actually something that is immoral and and sinful and wrong you're worldly
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and so that's where we are we despise nature we think that grace eradicates or replaces or erases
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nature rather than elevating and restoring nature and then inconsistently you have a few
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complimentary and still holding on. But I think that's where we are. The real world matters.
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We live in it and we are slaves and we have been slaves for a very long time. You are poor.
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You're not rich. You are rich by one standard. You have AC.
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Congratulations. But you own nothing. Abraham was far more rich than you. He sweat at night.
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And so I think part of taking back the world is ownership.
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In the meantime, though, we have more in common, I think, with slaves.
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And in this state of slavery, this season of slavery,
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this moment of having all the conveniences and pleasures and drugs and TV
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and all these kinds of things that keeps us sedated
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so that we don't have any ambition so that we don't try to own anything that we would just
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be content with virtual world and and you know that's that's the wf you got george soros on one
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side saying be content with virtual world you know pods and bugs and if you ever break out of that
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then the christians sadly tragically ironic then the christians say you know be content with
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spiritual world so the pagans virtual world the christian spiritual world but jesus is saying my
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world this world but one way or the other between darby and schofield and then george soros and
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klaus schwab you know a real number has been done on us from both sides to where we've just we we
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have surrendered we don't own anything we don't have an ambition towards anything and the few guys
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who somehow did get ahead and started something
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and it accrued wealth and all those kinds of things,
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Although obedience to parents is a temporary command
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issued to younger children while they remain at home,
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First Timothy chapter five, verse four says this,
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for this is pleasing in the sight of god although this biblical text specifically the first timothy
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5 4 specifically references elderly widows i believe and have come to believe that it is
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pleasing in the sight of god when adult children earnestly seek to make some return to their
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parents even if both father and mother are still living and that return being not just a spiritual
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return but a physical return i think that's what's being talked about or at least included
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I'm saying that there are actual practical implications
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You're gonna have to take care of mom and dad.
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You can't sit there and complain and say mom and dad,
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you know have and which my mom and dad do not my mom and dad are great but the proverbial mom and
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dad that you know the general mom and dad you can't say mom and dad have a bumper sticker that
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says i'm spending my grandkids inheritance and then your solution is and so therefore i'm shipping
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them off to a nursing home and we'll never see them again you know it's not tit for tat that
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doesn't that doesn't do anything you can't say well mom and dad are treating me wrong
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and so i'm going to do the same that's not how the gospel works that's not how scripture where
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may have gotten a few things wrong along the way,
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and even with my finances when it comes down to it.
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as scripture testifies children are most assuredly a blessing from the lord that psalm 127 3 has been
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referenced multiple times today and married couples therefore do well to have several children
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if they can psalm 127 5 however procreation is merely one small portion of the task which the
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lord has assigned to parents in addition to producing children a father must both protect
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and provide for his children a significant component of this provision includes the
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children's education. Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger. This is Ephesians 6, 4,
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but rather bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord. In light of biblical
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texts such as this, it appears evident that a Christian man cannot merely abdicate his fatherly
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duty by handing his children over to the secular state in order to be educated. This means that
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that husband and wife will be required to either homeschool their children or pay a significant
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amount of money to place those children in a private Christian school. So men as sons,
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caring for mother and father as they age, even financially so, practically, physically so,
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in a nature way, not just a spiritual way. Nature way is one of the things about nature. Nature
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costs money. So caring for mom and dad, men as sons, but also caring for son and daughter,
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that's men as fathers. You're going to provide for them. You're going to protect them. And part
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that provision is their education and even if it's homeschooling you're still with homeschooling
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not going to be able to rely on two incomes at least not two full-time incomes if you're going
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to homeschool somebody is going to have to actually be at home teaching instructing there
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will be a financial cost associated with the education of the children if it is to be done
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in a Christian manner. That's men as fathers. Third, men as grandfathers. A good man leaves
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an inheritance to his children's children, but a sinner's wealth is laid up for the righteous.
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That's Proverbs 13, 22. Although I recognize that the inheritance mentioned explicitly in this text
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contains far more than material wealth, indeed, it cannot contain less. Therefore, a Christian man
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must be thoroughly committed to diligently planning for the spiritual and financial future of both his
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children and grandchildren and thinking about your grandchildren's financial well-being because you
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should be even if you don't yet have grandchildren you should be thinking about it a good man leaves
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an inheritance and it doesn't just happen in a moment doesn't fall out of the sky he's thinking
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about that early on before the grandchildren are even here a good man leaves an inheritance to his
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children's children so he's thinking towards it he's working towards it here's some of the
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questions you could be asking. What opportunities will my sons have for work when they grow up?
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Who will my granddaughters marry when they come of age? Christian men are obligated to consider
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these kinds of questions with an abundance of care. Planning for the well-being and financial,
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physical, nature well-being of your children and your children's children. Number four, men as
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husbands older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior not slanders or slaves to much wine
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they are to teach what is good and so train younger women to love their husbands and children
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working at home that's titus 2 3 through 4 although i do not believe that it is inherently
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immoral for women with children to work outside of their homes in any capacity i don't think it's
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always wrong i still do however believe that godly men want to do everything they can to ensure that
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their wives can devote their time to the godly work at home which the lord has called them to
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and i'll add to that if a woman is helping to supplement her husband's income i think
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predominantly if not entirely it should be accomplished that supplemental partial second
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income that she's acquiring it should be accomplished with her work her industry being
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attached to the household here's the thing proverbs 31 well that woman she's making financial
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investments right that's what you'll hear the feminists you know she's making financial
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investments she goes she buys a field with whose money that's all you have to ask yeah she went
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bought a field have you ever thought about that with whose cash husbands she bought it and signed
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whose name is it now belonged to whose house is at every level she works for him all feminism has
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done is gotten women to work for a man except the man is no longer their husband the man is
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someone else who doesn't care for them but women have always worked for men the question is the
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woman working for a man who's made vows to her who has covenant with her who's willing to lay
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down his life for her as christ laid his life down for the church or does the woman work for
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another man who will discard her who doesn't care anything for her it's simply her utility
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simply her function for a moment a brief moment and then she's done like a husk dry used up
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there's no death to death do us part it's just as long as the tit for tat can continue the quid pro
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quo quo so men and husbands there's a financial cost attached to that think about that you're
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going to have to make money enough to where wife can stay home and certainly contentment there are
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variations and degrees and all those kinds of things you can be content on little by the grace
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of god you can abase and abound but there is a practical implication of titus 2 3 through 4 your
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wife predominantly working at home and then lastly men as church members bring the full tithe into
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the storehouse that there may be food in my house and thereby put me to the test says the lord of
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host, if I will not open to you the windows of heaven and pour out to you such a blessing until
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there is no more room for it. Malachi 3.10. Like I said in the beginning, the proper response to
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being robbed by the state must not be that we now choose to rob God, regardless of your position on
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the tithe and as it exists in the New Testament, and especially in our current moment where the
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church is not fulfilling some of these things and the state is, albeit, again, poorly. If you want
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a job done poorly, then you need the government involved. But all that being said, we can't rob
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God. You have to prayerfully and biblically come to some conclusion about the text and what it says
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about giving to the church. And you need to do that. So I'll end with that. There's five commandments.
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Again, this is for men. Five biblical commandments for men. Number one, men are sons. You got to care
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for mom and dad. Men are fathers, got to care for sons and daughters. Men are grandfathers, got to
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care for grandsons and granddaughters. Men are husbands, got to care for wife. Men are church
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members, got to care for the bride of Christ. And you know what? It all costs money and you don't
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have any because it's all been taken from you. You don't own anything. You have more entertainment
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and you sleep without sweating at night. And your sheets, your sheets are more comfortable probably
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than Pharaoh's. And you sleep with the better matches. All those things are better. And I do
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think there is a real sense in which wealth can be defined as access, comfort. Those things are
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true. Tools, right? Tools are a form of wealth. And your smartphone in your pocket is a heck of a
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tool. It is. It's a tool that Pharaoh did not have. And that is a form of wealth. There is a sense in
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which you are richer than pharaoh but there's also one other really really vital sense of thinking
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about wealth in which you are infinitely poor than the ancient pharaoh and that's when wealth
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is defined by what you own however you define wealth it has to at least include ownership
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and right now everything is rigged against you it's rigged for your convenience your comfort
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your access but not your ownership you can still have a family you can still have a wife you can
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still have kids but what they don't want you to have is a household they don't want you to have
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financial independence they don't want you to have actual real authority because then you become a
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threat households are potent households are children of actual households are artillery as
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chris talked about it's a threat it's a threat to the kingdom of darkness it's a threat
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to our current you know wf world economic forum and all those things it's a real threat
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so the deck is rigged against you it's hard to own things it's hard to actually have a household
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it's hard to have your wife working at home and not work working for you as her man instead of
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working for the man on a hamster wheel somewhere else it's hard to actually own your own labor
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It's hard to educate your kids and not rely on the school that you already pay for through your property taxes, namely the state school, and then pay for another school.
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It's hard to give to the church when you're giving 30% to Uncle Sam.
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It's hard to care for mom and dad when you can't even care for your son and daughter.
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and they actually got to live in the 80s and 90s
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And that's not to say that the boomers didn't work hard.
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But they worked very hard in an economic climate
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But part of it also is because there's no return.
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The average cost of a house today is $467,000, I believe,
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if you can, start a business and all these different things and take care of mom and dad
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and plan and save and invest for your grandchildren, your children's children.
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And you're trying to be generous to the church, the house of God, bringing the tithes in,
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all these different things. So we need a miracle. But that is the cost of biblical manhood.
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And we've talked a little bit about some of the solutions. I really should have made this talk
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the first one, but I thought that's selfish to go first at your own conference that you're hosting.
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but i'm now having a horrible realization that i have no more time to offer a solution i feel like
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the solutions have been already offered i feel like a lot of practical counsel and wisdom has
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been given today but it really would have been great if that came at the end because now it
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really feels like a downer kind of moment but maybe that'll work towards the singles get together
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because you know just the the pent-up anxiety and concern will just drive you to each other and
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and marriages will form, and you know, so, all right. Christ can do it. Christ can do it.
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Christ can free, he sets the captive free. So sure, yeah, Americans are slaves, but that's the
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neat thing. That's the neat thing about the gospel. Christ sets slaves free. Rome seemed as though it
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would never fall, but it did. See, that's a crazy thing. That's the thing where, you know, the
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Marxists would disagree. He'd say, yeah, but this guy, if you get property up, you know, on the head
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of the river upstream from the other guy, it's not fair. And it's not because he worked harder.
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He just, his family got there first and they have head rights. And, you know, and if he's upstream,
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then he can damn the river there. And then all these people are, you know, I understand the
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Marxist arguments, you know, or they say, well, you know, right now in Silicon Valley, you know,
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every two weeks, you know, people are getting together and every two weeks they're trying to
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reinvent, you know, transportation and how can we make it the most efficient and the cheapest
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price, blah, blah, blah. Every two weeks, they reinvent, you know, the double-decker bus.
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That's the Marxist, you know, the Marxist argument, right? Like, there's just, there's
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certain inventions and patents and land and things that, you know, it's just first come,
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first serve. You know, I'm of an untimely birth, and it's already been done, and you can never do
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it better. Yeah, but here's the cool thing about that. Every generation has thought that.
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Every generation thought, this is the latest and greatest thing, and it'll be here forever.
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it'll never no one can compete with it it'll never be toppled and then it was
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and then the next thing toppled somebody invented what if god created the world in such a way
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that will never come to the end of discovering all the treasures he's hidden within what if
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god created the world in such a way that it's the glory of god to conceal and hide but the glory of
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kings to search them out. And what if there's still a lot more stuff to be found? Stuff was
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found that could topple Rome and stuff can be found to topple the West, anything else, or to
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see the West repent, to come back to Christ. Let's pray. Father, we need you. We need the miracle.
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We need Christ, the only good loving master to set the captive free, to set slaves free so that
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we might be his slaves we'll always be slaves the key is to have the right master so lord we uh we
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submit ourselves now to christ as master we trust that his way is right that his law is good we
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delight in his law we seek to follow it as a lamp unto our feet and light unto our path trusting
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that little by little and maybe it doesn't all happen in our generation but little by little
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through the generations through our household and our children and our children's children
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that we will actually get out of Egypt we'll get out of bondage out of slavery that we will have
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independent households not just families but households that we will have wealth and not
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just measured by access and convenience and comfort but by ownership so that all of it
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can be used not for our own comfort but for your kingdom your glory the advancement of the gospel