The NXR Podcast - June 08, 2023


DAILY TRUTH - Baptists Need To Start Thinking Covenantally

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Paul Michael Foster Pastor Joel Megan Basham Baptists
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In this episode of Daily Truth, Pastor Ken teaches us about the Christian family, marriage, and the Christian nation. Is marriage a Christian contract between one biological man and one female? Or is it a neutral Christian contract?

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00:00:00.000 All right, listen, guys, I get it.
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00:00:42.360 Jesus said, man cannot live on bread alone, but from every word that proceeds from the mouth of
00:00:47.420 God. You're listening to Daily Truth. A part of the problem in the evangelical church today,
00:00:55.420 and I might add, particularly among Baptists,
00:00:58.840 is that we are so individualistic, atomistic,
00:01:04.080 we have no theological framework for corporate truths,
00:01:10.980 for corporate realities.
00:01:14.180 We don't think in terms of covenant.
00:01:16.740 We don't think in terms of collections.
00:01:19.900 We don't think in terms of groups.
00:01:23.720 We don't think in terms of generations.
00:01:27.000 We merely think in terms of individual people
00:01:30.700 and their individual choices.
00:01:34.160 And that's the problem.
00:01:36.980 Now, because I am a Baptist,
00:01:39.020 I do think in terms of individuals at least in one sense.
00:01:43.880 And that one sense, again, is in terms of the new covenant.
00:01:48.260 I believe that the new covenant is a covenant of grace,
00:01:51.900 not just one particular administration of a larger banner of the covenant of grace
00:01:58.540 but that the new covenant is synonymous with the covenant of grace
00:02:02.560 it is the covenant of grace
00:02:04.560 and it is therefore the only eternally saving covenant
00:02:08.140 and that that particular covenant is established with individual people
00:02:13.820 put that aside for a moment
00:02:17.380 all the rest of my thinking is covenantal
00:02:21.560 all the rest of my thinking, my theological thinking, political thinking, cultural thinking
00:02:28.800 is corporate. And I think that the problem, if I might be so bold to say, with my Presbyterian
00:02:37.540 brothers and sisters is that they attempt to stretch the new covenant to encompass every
00:02:44.560 single scenario that we could possibly think of. Christian nationalism, let me just stretch that
00:02:51.120 new covenant. A mere Christendom, let's stretch it a little bit further. Now the problem with 0.96
00:02:58.720 Baptists is that Baptists pretend as though they won't stretch the new covenant. They're very 0.63
00:03:04.900 committed to the new covenant being only what it's meant to be. And I agree in that sense.
00:03:12.260 But I disagree with my Baptist brothers in the sense that although I think they have the proper
00:03:17.820 view of the new covenant. The problem is that they pretend that that's the only covenant that
00:03:22.860 currently exists. They think that there's a new covenant that has been established by Christ,
00:03:32.240 with Christ appointed by God as the federal head, the representative, the head of this covenant,
00:03:39.040 and it's with individuals, and the only access, the entrance, the door into this new covenant
00:03:46.580 is union with Christ,
00:03:48.920 which comes by the power of the Spirit,
00:03:51.200 by grace alone, through faith alone,
00:03:52.820 and Him alone.
00:03:54.020 And to all that I would say
00:03:55.400 a hearty yes and amen. 0.67
00:03:57.480 But then the Baptist stops.
00:03:59.880 And if you talk about a nation
00:04:01.460 being in covenant with God,
00:04:03.100 the Baptist says, uh-uh.
00:04:05.580 No such thing as a Christian nation.
00:04:08.980 No such thing as a Christian seminary.
00:04:11.540 No such thing as a Christian school.
00:04:14.700 No such thing as Christian art.
00:04:16.580 or Christian science.
00:04:18.220 In fact, there's not even such a thing
00:04:19.840 as a Christian family. 1.00
00:04:22.340 Not so long as you have young children, 0.99
00:04:25.020 especially infants, 1.00
00:04:26.300 you can only be a Christian family 0.98
00:04:28.280 if your children are grown up 0.99
00:04:29.960 and each of them have made
00:04:31.020 a credible profession of faith. 1.00
00:04:34.580 Now to that, I would say that Baptists are stupid. 1.00
00:04:38.840 That is foolish. 1.00
00:04:41.520 Absolute insanity. 1.00
00:04:46.580 Baptists are foolish. 1.00
00:04:50.100 So I don't think that we need to use the new covenant 1.00
00:04:53.660 and rearrange its theological parameters and definitions
00:04:58.560 in order to account for a Christian family
00:05:02.000 or a Christian school or a Christian culture
00:05:05.500 or a Christian nation.
00:05:07.980 I think that we can simply speak of other covenants.
00:05:13.480 And here's the one example that I would provide.
00:05:16.580 And I think all I need is one in order to make my case.
00:05:21.060 One covenant that I would provide as an example would be marriage.
00:05:26.360 Is marriage a contract or is it a covenant?
00:05:31.600 I'm talking about human marriage between one biological man, a.k.a. one man.
00:05:40.720 You shouldn't even have to say biological.
00:05:43.280 And one woman.
00:05:44.900 Now, this is not merely an arrangement, a civil arrangement, a business contract, but according to Scripture, it is a covenant.
00:05:59.980 My next question would be this, that in the case of two Christians who are married, in this marriage covenant, should it be viewed as a Christian covenant?
00:06:14.900 Do you have a Christian marriage, or is it a neutral covenant?
00:06:22.840 Is it a neutral marriage in which you simply seek to live out Christian faithfulness,
00:06:31.220 but in a non-Christian marriage? 0.98
00:06:35.720 I would say that those are categories
00:06:40.800 that seem to have to be forced in
00:06:44.900 through the biblical narrative.
00:06:47.600 They seem foreign within the realm of Scripture. 0.61
00:06:53.000 If you are a Christian and you're married, 0.96
00:06:57.220 you have a Christian marriage.
00:06:59.060 In fact, I'll see your point and raise you one further.
00:07:03.680 However, according to the Apostle Paul, you don't even need two Christians in the marriage to make it a Christian marriage. 0.98
00:07:13.080 That just one will suffice. 0.79
00:07:15.760 In fact, even further, according to the Apostle Paul, who I might add was a big fan of patriarchy,
00:07:24.340 you could actually have even the woman who is not actually head of the marriage being a Christian and her husband not being a Christian.
00:07:32.880 and it would still be a Christian marriage.
00:07:36.540 So much so that the fruit of the marriage,
00:07:39.500 namely children, would be holy.
00:07:43.660 And for the record,
00:07:44.920 in terms of what it means for children to be holy,
00:07:47.540 I do not believe,
00:07:49.480 I'll at least tell you what I don't believe.
00:07:51.780 I don't believe that what the Apostle Paul is saying
00:07:54.400 is that the children are holy
00:07:56.060 in the sense that the children are legitimate.
00:08:00.100 There are some who,
00:08:01.260 their position is that Paul is merely saying that that if you have a marriage with at least
00:08:10.520 one Christian spouse, that this makes the marriage legitimate and therefore the children
00:08:16.000 are legitimate. Well, that can't be what the apostle Paul is saying, because if it is, 0.95
00:08:22.140 then in any marriage that has zero Christians, like a marriage between two atheists or a marriage
00:08:28.000 between two Muslims, still in terms of biblical marriage, a man and a woman, you would have to 1.00
00:08:33.340 say that the children of those marriages are bastards. And I don't believe that that's true. 1.00
00:08:40.400 That even children born into a marriage between two Muslims are still legitimate children, 0.98
00:08:46.420 and that marriage between two Muslims, man and wife, is a legitimate marriage. A Christian
00:08:53.300 marriage no but a legitimate marriage because marriage is given as an institution by God not
00:09:00.840 just to Christian people but to all people and so what Paul must mean in terms of the children
00:09:09.820 being holy is not just that the children are legitimate because a marriage between two people
00:09:15.300 with at least one of them being a Christian makes the marriage legitimate and therefore their
00:09:19.820 offspring are legitimate as well. Now, I don't believe that's what he's saying. Holy, I'll at
00:09:26.140 leave you with this to ponder, holy must mean more than that. The children being holy, if that's what
00:09:33.860 he means, legitimate children, then he should have said that the husband can be an unbeliever and the 0.83
00:09:40.420 wife can be an unbeliever. But so long as it's a man and a woman joined in marriage, the children
00:09:46.840 are holy, if holy merely means legitimate. But the apostle says, no, there has to at least be
00:09:55.400 one of them that's redeemed. And if one of them is redeemed, that one redeemed spouse is enough
00:10:02.020 to, in a sense, redeem the other so that their offspring and the fruit of that marriage would be
00:10:08.740 redeemed, using redeemed in quotation marks now, but redeemed holy offspring, sanctified offspring.
00:10:20.280 So all this being said, marriage would be an example not of a contract, not of a mere civil
00:10:27.140 arrangement, but a covenant, and it is not the covenant of works, and it is not the new covenant
00:10:35.120 either so there are such a thing as covenants outside of those two so when we think in terms
00:10:45.680 of nations being christian we can use covenant theology to encompass that paradigm
00:10:56.420 fight by flight why leaving godless places is loving godless places i've had a lot of people
00:11:04.600 tell me recently, Pastor Joel, you're post-millennial. You claim to believe that Jesus
00:11:10.540 is king of every square inch, but apparently you don't think he's king of California because I've
00:11:15.320 heard your personal story that you used to be a pastor there and that you left for the state of
00:11:21.120 Texas. Notice the title, not fight or flight, but fight by flight. Think of the prodigal son.
00:11:29.660 He comes to the end of his rope.
00:11:31.480 He's longing to be fed with the pods given to the pigs.
00:11:35.080 And the parable says no one gave him anything.
00:11:39.480 No member of the father's house tracked him down to give him a handout.
00:11:44.120 He was hurting. 0.99
00:11:45.880 He had to lie in the bed that he had made for himself by his foolish choices. 0.98
00:11:51.560 You know what the next words in that parable are? 0.93
00:11:53.460 No one gave him anything and he came to his senses.
00:11:57.180 he began to repent there are 10 million professing christians currently living in the state of
00:12:04.240 california what if they're fighting but at the same time while well-intentioned they're also
00:12:11.000 funding what if california could be brought to its knees simply by the faithful not fighting there
00:12:18.320 but leaving there and forcing gavin newsom and other tyrants like him to actually have to
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