The NXR Podcast - March 21, 2023


DAILY TRUTH - Did Jesus Descend To Hell？

Hosted by
Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
Mentioned
Noah Abraham Isaac Jacob Joseph Lazarus Peter Jesus Christ Joe Biden
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What does it mean to be a Christian if you don't believe in hell? What does it really mean to go to hell? Is it even possible to be saved from hell? And what is the difference between hell and heaven?

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00:00:42 Jesus said, man cannot live on bread alone, but from every word that proceeds from the mouth of
00:00:47 God. You're listening to Daily Truth. Jesus told a parable of a poor beggar named Lazarus
00:00:56 And a rich man that Lazarus used to long to eat the crumbs that fell from this man's table.
00:01:04 Lazarus, furthermore, in addition to starvation, he was afflicted by many wounds and sores.
00:01:13 The rabbit dogs of the first century world were not domesticated cute pets like we have today.
00:01:21 this generation of people and culture opted for children
00:01:27 instead of chihuahuas and purses.
00:01:30 So the dogs were wild, licking his sores.
00:01:33 He was in misery and agony.
00:01:36 But eventually he died.
00:01:40 And Jesus says in this parable
00:01:41 that the angels carried him to Abraham's bosom.
00:01:46 And the rich man also dies.
00:01:48 and he is carried to hell.
00:01:53 Now, it's important to understand that before the cross,
00:01:56 in terms of chronological human history,
00:01:58 when people died, both the righteous and the wicked,
00:02:04 they both went to what the Bible describes as the place of the dead, Hades.
00:02:11 We use this language in our confession of faith each Lord's Day in our liturgy,
00:02:17 that Jesus died and was buried, he descended to Hades.
00:02:24 Now, there's a debate over the original language of the Apostles' Creed,
00:02:28 whether it says hell or Hades.
00:02:32 In either case, we've opted for the term Hades, realm of the dead.
00:02:38 We see this in Peter's epistles,
00:02:41 that Jesus descended to the realm of the dead and preached.
00:02:45 He preached to spirits held captive.
00:02:51 Now this is not Jesus going to hell
00:02:53 after his crucifixion and burial,
00:02:56 before his resurrection, during this three-day period.
00:03:00 As his body is laid in the tomb,
00:03:02 in his spirit, Peter says,
00:03:05 he goes to the realm of the dead
00:03:06 and preaches to spirits held captive.
00:03:09 This is not to say that Jesus goes and preaches the gospel
00:03:12 as a second opportunity for people in hell to believe
00:03:17 and to then go to heaven.
00:03:21 Now, Jesus is pronouncing his victory.
00:03:24 He's not going to the realm of the dead to preach an opportunity.
00:03:29 He's going to the realm of the dead to announce his victory
00:03:33 and to rub it in his enemies' faces. 0.87
00:03:37 Once you die, that's it, brothers and sisters. 0.99
00:03:40 There is no second opportunity.
00:03:44 And there is no end to the conscious torment of hell.
00:03:49 The Bible does not teach annihilationism.
00:03:54 Hell will never end.
00:03:56 The worm will not die.
00:03:59 It will be a conscious torment under the white-hot wrath of God forever.
00:04:04 And it's important that we understand that what makes hell so terrible is not because God is absent in hell.
00:04:12 What makes hell so terrible is that God is present.
00:04:18 And the torment that those who rebel against Christ and reject his offer of salvation,
00:04:25 the torment that they will experience is the torment of God's wrath.
00:04:30 What is absent in hell is not the presence of God, but the goodness of God.
00:04:37 What is absent in hell is the kindness of God, the grace and mercy and love of God. 0.90
00:04:47 For the non-elect, this world and this life is the closest they'll ever get to heaven. 0.84
00:04:53 And for those of us who are in Christ, this world and this life is the closest we'll ever get to hell. 0.93
00:05:02 If by grace through faith in Christ you have been saved,
00:05:07 then the suffering you experience in this mist of a life, this vapor of a life,
00:05:15 your mere 70, 80, 90 years, the suffering that you experience here is the worst it ever gets. 0.91
00:05:23 it's all better from here on out but for the non-elect the joy that they experience in this 0.84
00:05:34 life is the best they'll ever get it's the closest to the goodness of god that they'll ever 0.95
00:05:40 experience and so jesus descends to the realm of the dead and in the realm of the dead
00:05:48 some old scholars believe that it was a physical realm
00:05:52 actually deep within the belly of this world
00:05:56 in a literal sense.
00:05:59 And whether that's true or not,
00:06:02 I lean towards not,
00:06:04 but I really enjoy a good conspiracy.
00:06:08 Especially because most of them come true these days.
00:06:12 So, whether it's physically in the belly of the earth
00:06:16 or whether it was a spiritual place,
00:06:18 The point is this, that there are two sections of Hades,
00:06:23 hell and Abraham's bosom.
00:06:27 So Jesus, when he dies, his body physically is buried in the tomb,
00:06:32 and in the spirit, he descends to Hades.
00:06:38 And in Hades, he proclaims his victory, preaches to spirits held captive.
00:06:44 He is proclaiming his victory over demonic spirits and human souls, reprobates, who rejected him.
00:06:54 Even the days of Noah, is what Peter says.
00:06:57 Remember, Noah was a heralder of righteousness, is what the New Testament apostles say.
00:07:04 That Noah, for 120 years, preached.
00:07:09 He was not just an architect, a construction worker, building an ark, but he was a preacher.
00:07:18 Noah preached for 120 years as God waited patiently with the sins of wicked, vile people.
00:07:30 God waited and Noah preached.
00:07:32 When the Bible says elsewhere that God has numbered man's years to be 120,
00:07:41 we know that Moses lived to be 120. 0.77
00:07:44 I believe that that is a coincidence. 0.50
00:07:48 I believe that the numbering of man's years, 120 years,
00:07:53 is not to say that if you're righteous, if you trust the Lord,
00:07:57 if you're obedient, you will die on your 120th birthday.
00:08:01 The 120 years, man's years, that were set and limited by God
00:08:08 is referring to the days of Noah.
00:08:11 That there were 120 years left until they all died.
00:08:16 Until God flooded the world.
00:08:19 And for 120 years, Noah built an ark. 0.65
00:08:23 Which is a type of Christ.
00:08:26 That the righteous would be taken up into the ark.
00:08:29 And notice that in this narrative, this historic account,
00:08:34 that it's the Lord himself.
00:08:36 Noah builds the ark, but it is the Lord himself,
00:08:39 I believe, a theophany, the second member of the Trinity,
00:08:43 Jesus Christ, before his incarnation.
00:08:46 But Christ in the spirit with a physical, not incarnation,
00:08:52 but a physical manifestation of the spiritual Christ
00:08:55 who comes and physically closes the door.
00:08:58 seals these eight righteous persons,
00:09:02 Noah, his wife, three sons, and their three wives,
00:09:05 seals them up in the ark as a picture of the gospel.
00:09:08 And for 120 years, Noah imaged Christ
00:09:13 in the type of the ark, and he preached Christ.
00:09:18 And these people rejected Christ.
00:09:22 And when Christ dies and his body is physically buried
00:09:25 in the tomb in the spirit he descends to hades not hell but hades that is the realm of the dead
00:09:32 where there is a great chasm separating two sections of the realm of the dead abraham's bosom
00:09:39 for the righteous who had faith in jesus even before his earthly ministry before his incarnation
00:09:45 that's abraham and isaac and jacob and joseph the patriarchs all of them in abraham's bosom
00:09:52 and across this great chasm, all those who rejected Christ.
00:09:56 And Christ goes to the realm of the dead, namely Hades,
00:09:59 and in Abraham's bosom with the righteous,
00:10:03 he preaches across that chasm,
00:10:06 condemning all those who rejected him,
00:10:09 declaring his victory over them, 0.53
00:10:11 and that includes human reprobate souls.
00:10:16 It also includes certain demons that are so dangerous
00:10:20 that they were not permitted by God
00:10:22 to roam the earth but they were locked jude speaks of this in gloomy dungeons because they would
00:10:29 wreak far too much havoc these are some old school interpretations of scripture today
00:10:35 which i'm much more interested in christianity yesterday than christianity today i think
00:10:43 christianity tomorrow has a bright future for the record i don't think it's all downhill but i think
00:10:48 we're living in one of those moments where when I hear, you know, evangelicals say, we need a new
00:10:54 translation. I'm like, let's, let's let our grandkids do that. I don't think you guys are
00:10:58 qualified. Like this is just, this is not, this is just not the generation to do any serious 1.00
00:11:04 exegetical work. You're all compromised. You're all woke. You're all feminist. Just, just sit
00:11:12 a play out, purchase some more dogs, conservatives will have children, and then 80 years from
00:11:21 now our grandkids, you know, can build some new seminaries and do some serious work.
00:11:26 So all that being said, Jesus descends to Hades, the realm of the dead, he proclaims
00:11:31 his victory, and then he takes certain captives, liberates them, namely those in Abraham's
00:11:37 bosom the righteous Abraham Isaac Jacob Joseph he takes these individuals and brings them now
00:11:45 to heaven because his atoning work at Calvary is now finished and therefore can be particularly
00:11:54 and practically applied that's the historic teaching of Jesus descent the descent of Christ
00:12:05 to the realm of the dead now all that being said the point is that there are some people
00:12:13 who will never ever receive christ and the parable that christ tells of lazarus this poor beggar
00:12:22 and the rich man who is in hell hades hell category lazarus hades abraham bosom's category
00:12:32 this rich man he says send lazarus to dip his finger in cold water and touch my tongue
00:12:41 to quench my thirst for i am in agony here i'm in agony
00:12:47 and jesus says in this parable that there's no way to cross this great chasm so that
00:12:54 even if someone did wish to go from one side to the other it would be impossible impossible
00:13:02 and furthermore the rich man then says well if you can't ease my torment
00:13:09 then send lazarus back he just has this constant mindset that lazarus is still a servant
00:13:15 he doesn't really recognize that their hierarchical positions have been turned
00:13:21 he's in agony now lazarus is not his servant he's not going to quench his thirst he's not
00:13:28 going to do his bidding. But this man says, I have five brothers that are still living, and I don't
00:13:34 want them to come to this place of torment. So send Lazarus back from the dead, because they'll
00:13:40 believe. I didn't believe, but they'll believe if someone rises from the dead. Jesus says in this
00:13:49 parable Abraham speaking that they have Moses and the prophets meaning they have God's law
00:13:58 God's law word all of it types and shadows pointing towards the Christ the sole object
00:14:08 of saving faith all that is available to them and if they don't believe Moses and the prophets
00:14:15 They will not believe even if one should rise from the dead.
00:14:22 Essentially what Jesus is saying is this.
00:14:26 There is no degree or amount of evidence
00:14:32 that is capable of convincing someone of the truth of Christ.
00:14:38 It is a moral problem.
00:14:42 People who go to hell are not people who say,
00:14:45 just, I didn't know. Or I wasn't raised in a Christian home. Or I met some Christians
00:14:52 that preached the gospel, but they, God, they had, they just, they had a nasty tone. And 1.00
00:14:58 it turned me off. So therefore, my rejection of you because of these Christians' bad tone, 1.00
00:15:03 that justifies me for rejecting you, right? No. No. No, it's not a mere matter of evidence. 1.00
00:15:15 It's a matter of the heart.
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