The NXR Podcast - March 28, 2023


DAILY TRUTH - When Should A Church Excommunicate Someone？


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00:00:00.000 All right, listen, guys, I get it.
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00:00:42.320 Jesus said, man cannot live on bread alone, but from every word that proceeds from the mouth of
00:00:47.420 God. You're listening to Daily Truth. It's not just for impenitent sin. Impenitent meaning the
00:00:56.320 refusal to repent after being approached by the appropriate parties and going going having gone
00:01:01.980 thoroughly through all the steps of church discipline that's impenitence refusing to
00:01:06.440 repent however i would add this the westminster confession i like what it says in this regard
00:01:10.820 it is both impenitent and high-handed sin so we have you could say it like this we have the
00:01:19.160 principle in matthew 18 that jesus gives us the principle for church discipline and how to remove
00:01:24.780 someone but we have the example or the case study in first corinthians 5 from the apostle paul and
00:01:32.120 i do not believe that it is a mere coincidence that the principle that jesus gives includes
00:01:38.240 impenitence as the chief characteristic of the one who should be removed but in the case study
00:01:43.800 it is not only impenitence but it happens to be a man who has committed a sin that is unheard of
00:01:50.240 even among pagans in other words it's not this guy didn't invite my kids to his birthday party
00:01:57.160 and i went to my brother alone and i called him on his sin and he said he had the audacity to say
00:02:05.460 pastor that it wasn't a sin he said he actually said and this is going to blow your mind that i'm
00:02:11.280 emotional and too sensitive so now he's bringing false charges and i brought one or two
00:02:20.220 others with me. Now they happen to be the one or two other emotional and sensitive women in the
00:02:26.600 church, but I brought them. And we have now determined. And we'd like to bring it to the
00:02:33.600 church. This person's impenitent. No, it's not merely that this person has sinned and won't
00:02:40.880 acknowledge and repent of their sin. But it's also impenitence coupled with a degree of high-handed
00:02:49.220 sin. It's not just mere relational discord, which matters. That can become a rotten root of
00:02:58.880 bitterness that springs up and defiles many. Conflict, relational conflict in the church
00:03:04.360 can have harmful effects. But again, I say, I do not believe it is a mere coincidence
00:03:10.820 that when we have the principle of impenitence, but the case study of someone actually being
00:03:17.740 excommunicated that it is not merely in penitence but it is also a kind of sin and degree of sin
00:03:26.080 that is egregious egregious not subjective not hey he's quarrelsome
00:03:34.600 quarrelsome there is an objective definition it's a biblical word but there's a lot of debate about
00:03:42.460 how to define what it is to be quarrelsome. You go with the King James version, and quarrelsome means
00:03:47.820 an elder must not be a brawler, which means he might be really quarrelsome by someone's subjective
00:03:54.940 definition of quarrelsome, but so long as he hasn't punched anyone in the face, he could be a pastor.
00:04:02.220 There are some guys that hold that view. There are others who say he could be quarreling all the time
00:04:06.960 because Jesus was, and so was Paul.
00:04:09.520 But it means lover of quarrels.
00:04:11.760 And there's a difference between defending the truth
00:04:13.760 versus going and picking a fight.
00:04:17.480 And then there are others who say
00:04:18.940 he just shouldn't argue at all
00:04:20.400 because the Bible says he must have
00:04:21.660 a good reputation with outsiders.
00:04:23.460 And they subjectively interpret
00:04:25.040 good reputation with outsiders,
00:04:26.640 meaning that pagans and sinners who hate God
00:04:28.920 somehow like you.
00:04:33.500 There's a lot of difference.
00:04:36.960 of opinion. But you know what's nice about sins like adultery?
00:04:45.920 Like the man who took his father's wife? What's nice about that is that it's not subjective.
00:04:53.260 It's real clear. It's real clear. Okay, that merits removal. And again, for the final time,
00:05:03.240 I say, I do not believe it is a mere coincidence
00:05:06.640 that we're given the principle of church discipline
00:05:10.120 that includes impenitence
00:05:11.820 as the chief characteristic to look for.
00:05:14.120 But when we're given an example in case study
00:05:17.080 of a guy actually being removed by the church,
00:05:21.280 it's not that, well, his tone is off sometimes.
00:05:26.820 No, it's that he's really messing up.
00:05:32.480 I've already said it.
00:05:33.400 Don't need to say it again.
00:05:34.920 There's a difference in I don't like your tone
00:05:36.960 versus, dude, keep it in the family
00:05:40.660 isn't supposed to be played out like that.
00:05:45.320 Those are radically different.
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