In this episode, we have a fascinating interview with Dr. Kevin McDonald. Dr. MacDonald is a professor of political science at the University of Toronto and an expert on anti-Semitism and Jewish supremacy. He has been a long time member of the Anti-Defamation League and a regular contributor to the Daily Wire.
00:06:07.500radical christian nationalist pastor joel webin joel webin i'm gonna talk about joel
00:06:18.600So I'm joined today by Dr. Kevin MacDonald.
00:06:42.780He's written The Culture of Critique, which is a massive book that outlines a lot of Jewish influence throughout history and the way that it has affected society.
00:06:53.920And today we wanted to focus our attention predominantly as it pertains to Jewish influence over the years, especially here in the United States, but even historically in other countries as it pertains to immigration.
00:07:05.420This is certainly a relevant topic, and what we're seeing going on in Minnesota with ICE
00:07:11.080on the ground and the massive protests against ICE, we know that the left very much wants
00:08:44.340But Jews very actively fought the literacy test and so on.
00:08:52.820And they finally passed the literacy test, but it was ineffective.
00:08:56.920So finally, the forces of restriction simply said, we're going to cut the numbers way down.
00:09:04.040And we're going to bias it towards Northwest Europe.
00:09:07.280Well, that was horrifying to Jewish activists.
00:09:11.660But in 1924, you know, they passed the 1924 immigration law, and that biased immigration had lowered the numbers dramatically, and it biased immigration towards Northwest Europe.
00:09:25.780Well, most Jews were from Eastern Europe, and so they did not fall into that category, and they took it personally.
00:09:33.800So there's a huge chip on their shoulder, you know, ever since.
00:09:37.860And any Jewish person who's educated would be aware of this, that the 1924 immigration law was directed against them.
00:10:03.140They, you know, they were very insular.
00:10:08.080They walled themselves off from everyone else.
00:10:11.160And they tend to be radical, you know, political radicals.
00:10:15.580And this was around the time of the Bosford Revolution.
00:10:20.120And people were hearing stories about how violent that was and how Jews were very much involved in the Bosford Revolution and the aftermath of the revolution.
00:10:31.140revolution and um you know they they finally said no and so 1924 they enacted the law
00:10:38.820and uh this was a watershed event in american history it really slowed immigration way down
00:10:45.540and of course then you had the great depression and that would have slowed it down anyway
00:10:49.220but um jews essentially were cut out of the political process involved in immigration
00:10:57.860And in 1952, that act, the 1924 Immigration Act, was essentially reinstated.
00:11:07.320It was updated, and it didn't really change the substance of it.
00:11:12.560And it passed over Harry Truman's veto in 1952.
00:11:17.420So Jewish activists were always involved on this.
00:11:23.860They were the ones that were funding the committees. They were funding the lobbyists. They were writing the op-eds. And so the entire point was to open the gates. And they finally did it in 1965.0.86
00:11:44.400So it was a long time coming, but they were by far, really, you can't point to any other group that was really important.
00:11:54.180It wasn't like capitalists were, you know, clamoring for more immigration.
00:12:00.780Certainly labor unions didn't want it.
00:12:03.760And so when you look at who was active and how and why, it was Jewish activism.
00:12:14.060And as far as why, Jews, you know, as I say, had a huge ship on their shoulder for the 1924 immigration law.
00:12:23.720But they also had a general animosity, especially after World War II, because you had the rise of National Socialism in Germany.
00:12:33.520And what happened there, of course, was they were very focused on Jews.
00:12:38.940And as a result, Jews had the view that it was dangerous for Jews to be a minority in a homogeneously white Christian country.0.50
00:12:55.900And, you know, they have a long memory.
00:12:59.360You know, when they think about the history of Jews in the West, they start out with the Roman Empire.
00:13:05.900and the destruction of the Second Temple.0.62
00:13:11.260And then they go to persecutions in the late Roman Empire.
00:13:35.500You know, I mean, they they had the idea that European civilization will sooner or later rise up against it.
00:13:44.020And so the solution that they came up with was immigration of all these other groups.0.85
00:13:49.180If Jews were just one of many groups, they would not be they would not stand out as much.0.58
00:13:56.540And they again, they had this hatred towards the white majority.
00:14:00.520When they see a white majority, even though, you know, America fought against Germany in World War II, they think of white people as potential Nazis and that they will sooner or later rise up against them.
00:14:19.020So I got a lot of quotes to that effect, that they don't feel safe in a homogeneous white country, a Christian country.
00:14:29.340Again, Christian religion started out as a very anti-Jewish ideology, really.
00:14:38.960I mean, Jews killed Christ, for example, and you had Jews in the late Roman Empire who owned Christian slaves, and this really angered non-Jews and, you know, Constantine with the church.
00:14:58.580I have a chapter on that and my second book on Jews, The Separation of Discontents, on anti-Semitism, huge anti-Semitism in the late Roman Empire.0.57
00:15:07.760It revolved around Jews enslaving non-Jews.0.64
00:15:11.820And again, you know, Jews act as if they, you know, would never be involved in slavery.0.85
00:15:21.220But the fact is they have been deeply involved in slavery from, you know, in biblical times you see slavery and Jews were involved in slave trading and so on.0.52
00:15:35.100Real quick, Dr. McDonald, could you take just a moment, you said, you know, in some of these European countries, you were explaining, you know, Jews and their involvement in slavery, you know, and even possessing, you know, Christians as slaves and this angering, you know, whether it be Constantine or some of these, you know, I think of the Catholic monarchs, you know, in European countries that developed, and you used the word, developed, you know, anti-Semitism, an anti-Semitic sentiment.
00:16:03.160just for the listener and for myself. I'm curious because a lot of people, if we ask the ADL,
00:16:09.200what is anti-Semitism? They would say the slightest critique against Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:16:14.240You know, so if you could define your terms, how would you define, historically speaking,
00:16:20.300anti-Semitism? And then a further follow-up question, after defining anti-Semitism,
00:16:26.300the historic anti-Semitism of these Western Christian European countries in their disposition
00:16:32.020towards the jews would you say that that anti-semitism that they modeled the christian
00:16:37.540european white countries modeled would you say that it's that anti-semitism is inherently immoral0.60
00:16:43.360or would you say that some of them did bad things with the anti-semitism and some of them did
00:16:49.700just things justifiable things but that it's not inherently immoral i'm just curious your point
00:16:56.360of view yeah well anti-semitism is uh dislike hatred towards jews because of they are jewish
00:17:05.380um and i have to you know really refine that because you don't want to say you know when
00:17:14.080you talk about jews i mean say you choose as radicals very common you know early in the 20th
00:17:20.900century, really going up, and Jews are still on the left in America, but you can't ever say that
00:17:26.440all Jews, you know, so you have to talk about particular Jews, particular Jewish organizations,
00:17:32.520you have to look where the power of the Jewish community is at any particular time,0.91
00:17:37.740and, you know, in my case, I see Jewish power as directed against my interests as an America,0.89
00:17:46.600as a white American, but I have to qualify that.0.74
00:17:52.080I have to talk about which aspects of the Jewish community, you know,
00:17:56.600the ADL, for example, is totally on board with all the Jewish programs,
00:18:03.260but not all Jews are sympathetic to the ADL.0.66
00:18:06.560You talk about the Israel lobby, and certainly I resent the fact
00:18:12.040that we've fought these several wars for Israel in the Middle East,
00:18:16.600You know, lost a lot of lives, cost a lot of money, horribly wounded servicemen coming back.
00:18:24.940And the Israel lobby has promoted these wars.0.55
00:18:29.540And so Israel lobby is very powerful in Washington, D.C.
00:18:34.060And so you see I have a chapter on the neoconservatives as championing these wars.
00:22:15.160I mean, these people are very Jewish.0.83
00:22:18.100At the same time, they do not like what Israel has done over there.
00:22:22.360And they are very, extremely critical of Israel.
00:22:26.940But, you know, so they don't have the power.0.69
00:22:30.720Obviously, the power is with the Israel lobby and the funding of politicians in America, the propaganda, the media power, all comes from the mainstream Jewish community.0.83
00:22:46.740Another question that I had, so that makes a lot of sense and it's helpful.
00:22:50.260uh but you you know you've uh a few times now you know predominantly described jews in america as
00:22:57.880being politically on the left and from you know some of my study i think that's undeniable i you
00:23:04.220know that doesn't mean every jew is on the left but in terms of the influence the mainstream the
00:23:08.880consensus the power that's what we're describing and you're right however i i wanted to to get your
00:23:16.300thoughts on i think that that's historically true for america and jewish influence in america it's
00:23:21.140been left dominant but it seems as though recently like through the rise of you know the move away
00:23:27.220from your paleo conservatives of old your pat buchanan's and kind of the rise of you know
00:23:32.980william f buckley and national review and the neo conservatives and that over the last
00:23:39.44030 maybe 30 40 years or so at least the last 20 30 years that now it feels as though there's kind
00:23:46.560of a split and not just like some dissenting jews on the right but just individuals and not a
00:23:52.880collective and not really having much influence uh where all the power is still on the left now
00:23:57.160it feels like it's almost like a 50 50 split that there's real you know ngos real lobbyists real
00:24:03.080groups, organizations on the left that are pro-LGBT, pro-pornography, pro-immigration,
00:24:10.600pro-abortion, but there's almost, it seems, as much influence, Jewish influence on the
00:24:16.320right that would side with someone like myself on some of the cultural, moral issues like
00:24:23.240abortion, like gay marriage, those kinds of things, but in terms of geopolitics are pushing
00:24:31.600for war, you know, and sending America to war.
00:24:34.660And so now it feels as though now you actually have two, not just fractured, but two very
00:24:41.780organized groups of Jewish influence, both on the left and on the right, that almost
00:24:48.680The right wages war, displaces people, pushes for regime change, these kinds of things.0.86
00:24:55.280And then the left, Jews on the left, then open the doors, the doors of Toledo, the doors0.55
00:25:00.480of america and and welcome all the refugees here and it's kind of this this one two you know left
00:25:06.680right punch what do you think about that yeah i do think that there's an element of truth in that
00:25:14.260great element of truth in that i um historically well if you look at voting patterns i mean jews
00:25:21.400still voted 70 democrat in the last election presidential election that's important um and so
00:25:28.520So in general, the mainstream Jewish community is still on the left, but there's a lot of anti-Semitism on the left now because of Israel.
00:25:36.520And I do think that a lot of Jews are bailing out.
00:25:40.820And you have people like Stephen Miller in the Trump administration, who's a real conservative, I think.
00:25:45.900These neo-conservatives, which is a very important Jewish movement, they have historically been very much in favor of immigration.
00:25:56.100You know, and so they opposed the paleo-conservatives, the Pat Buchanans.
00:26:02.900They regarded Pat Buchanan as a horrible anti-Semite because he was questioning some of the World War II, you know, Holocaust-related stuff.
00:26:13.840And he was very much, you know, an American nationalist.
00:26:19.000and he would oppose immigration of all these different groups.
00:30:25.900I mean, Tucker Carlson talked about the riots in Minneapolis, and he said the whole point of the leftist resistance here is the great replacement.
00:30:35.120They want to replace the white population.
00:30:37.460And so they have to resist any attempt to deport people, to prevent immigration, to check voter rolls.
00:30:45.820He says 14 states don't have voter ID laws.0.51
00:30:49.260Well, that's open invitation for illegals to vote.
00:30:52.920And he's really, he interviewed Daryl Cooper on World War II, saying things that Jewish activists hate to be said.
00:31:09.180Winston Churchill was this profligate person who's indebted to the Jews all the way and did basically what they wanted him to do.
00:31:18.900and so yeah what do you think real quick about winston churchill do you uh you know because
00:31:24.600there's a moment where it seems as though he was going to just ride off into the sunset but but in
00:31:29.420utter disgrace you know that he was virtually bankrupt and had left the political scene and
00:31:34.700then all of a sudden is you know welcome back in and and quite powerful and there's you know0.85
00:31:40.300suspicions and you know people saying that he was funded by jews uh to lead this zionist project is
00:31:47.280there you've done the research is there truth in that claim yes and and he actually would have lost
00:31:54.400his estate he was sold bankrupt i mean he was totally profligate with money in debt all the
00:32:01.160time uh and yet you know living a very high life you know with uh alcohol cigars and all this stuff0.63
00:32:11.300Anyway, yeah, he was bailed out by a Jewish guy named Straykosh, I believe, a wealthy Jew.0.55
00:32:22.900And this happens over and over again.0.90
00:32:24.240Jewish influence, you know, if you want to take it to the absolute bare bones, comes down to money.0.81
00:32:30.880Whether it's the Israel lobby, buying off politicians, funding the opponents of politicians they don't like.0.76
00:32:38.960If it's Winston Churchill getting bailed out by Jewish millionaires, looking at all these NGOs that fund immigration, that, you know, reward people who are on their side in terms of immigration, multiculturalism, and all that.0.73
00:32:57.800So, you know, speaking about my chapter in the 1950s, Jews would establish these committees and they would be made up mainly of non-Jews who were sympathetic.0.75
00:33:08.520And they wanted to have prominent non-Jews, people who would have a reputation that other non-Jews would listen to.0.50
00:33:15.780And so they had JFK, future president, to put his name on a book called, anyways, a pro-immigration book, which was actually written by the ADL, the ADL-paid ghostwriter.0.56
00:33:35.280They paid a name Feldman, and then they paid a historian, and they got JFK to put his name on this book, and Hubert Humphrey, same way.
00:39:06.080And the reality is we have to have a white identity because we are competing in a multicultural, multi-ethnic environment where whites are going to be a minority within our lifetimes, perhaps.0.72
00:40:45.160we would orchestrate our own demise i wrote a book called individualism in the western liberal
00:40:51.300tradition 2019 it's on amazon and um it's the essential idea is that western europeans
00:41:01.380have a deep evolutionary history uh of individualism we we have not had this sort
00:41:09.420of kinship-based societies that are truer than the rest of the world.
00:41:14.100And I'm not the only person believing that.
00:41:17.800I mean, Joseph Henrich, a Harvard evolutionary psychologist,
00:41:22.760has a book out called The Weirdest People in the World.
00:41:29.480Weirdest is an acronym for Western, industrialized, rich, educated, and so on.
00:41:37.720And the idea is that we are unique in all the cultures of the world intending towards individuals.
00:41:46.000And that means we don't coalesce into groups very easily.
00:41:49.960We can, and that certainly happened in Germany in the 1930s.0.99
00:41:55.200But in general, we tend not to, you know, we see a Jewish pornographer or a Jewish sex molester or rapist or something.0.99
00:42:05.180We don't generalize that to all Jews. We don't think in group terms very easily. And so we're more about individual self-development. And individual has been very good for the West. This is what made the West dominant throughout the world.0.99
00:42:29.040It produced the Industrial Revolution, all the science and technology.
00:42:35.360You can't have science from a group standpoint.1.00
00:42:40.600And that's what Jews have always done.1.00
00:42:41.960That's the whole point of my book, The Cultural Critique,1.00
00:42:44.160that these Jewish movements regard as science as part of their group strategy,0.95
00:43:13.280And so that's been the case throughout history.
00:43:15.800But, you know, more and more as the left, multicultural left gets power, they see science as something that should be in the interest of particular groups.0.96
00:43:28.100And so, you know, any kind of race science is off the table now, because blacks, you know, you don't like the idea that blacks have a lower IQ, that they're prone to criminality, and that they're just not succeeding in Western societies.0.88
00:46:43.720It's very hard to get them on page with a mass movement of, you know, the anti-immigration, the re-migration and all that.
00:46:56.420You can get a few Swedes on board, but they tend to be very much in favor of immigration and everything.
00:47:07.320And, you know, the thing about about Western societies that is really telling is, you know, when you don't have kinship to bind the community together, if you go to the Middle Eastern societies, kinship is the name of the game.
00:47:23.100And that includes Jewish societies traditionally, very much based on kinship.0.69
00:47:29.280And you look at these Orthodox Jewish groups and it's still that way.
00:47:31.820um but the in the middle east that was the norm and and where you were in the kinship was what
00:47:42.460mattered well in western europe that was not the case individualism uh you know every person had
00:47:48.120his own farm you had communities sort of living together uh with neighbors and friends not kin
00:47:54.240And so kin was de-emphasized throughout European history.
00:47:59.780But kinship is a powerful force for cohesion in a community.
00:48:13.200That is communities where you have some kind of moral strictures
00:48:19.660that if you violate them, you are out of the community.
00:48:22.800And you go back to the, you know, the sagas, the Iceland, you know, the sagas of the Norse, and very much the case.
00:48:34.380And, of course, in evolutionary terms, if you were not part of the community, you were dead.
00:48:40.460You know, you were basically had no place to go.
00:48:43.160So these communities were based not on kinship, but on adhering to the moral norms.
00:48:49.080Well, who creates the moral norms now in our society? Mass media and academics. And so the moral norms we have now are, in a word, anti-white.
00:49:04.300And they, you know, they're pro-immigration, anti-racist, all these kinds of things that are manufactured by elites in the media that are able to create culture.0.72
00:49:19.860So, you know, in my view, evolution has shifted to the cultural realm completely.
00:49:26.560Well, not even say completely, but that's the main thing that's going on.
00:49:31.800And so if you cannot control your culture, you are going to lose in the evolutionary game.
00:49:41.680And so what has dominated our culture has been these ideas that, you know, whites have a historically uniquely evil history of slavery and colonialism and that sort of thing, which is false.
00:50:00.780I mean, slavery was the norm throughout history.
00:50:03.900Jewish slave traders were a big part of European history.
00:50:08.760And certainly in the New World, and especially in South America, Jewish slave traders were huge.0.99
00:50:26.560I have a chapter on that in my book on individualism.
00:50:28.860Because it's fascinating to see what was going on in the 19th century, the late 18th century, where, especially Christian, it was seen in Christian terms that these people are children of God, and they shouldn't be enslaved, and they would emphasize the cruelty of slavery and all that.
00:50:49.040And it was, you know, there was still a big economic interest in white slavery, but there was a huge upsurge of popular condemnation of it, led by the Quakers in England, led by the Puritans in America.
00:51:03.980Puritans were the anti-slavery faction, and they were the ones that, you know, really promoted, you know, the abolitionist side in the Civil War.
00:51:15.640And so I have a lot on the Puritans for that reason.
00:51:19.980You know, you see these moral communities that get established.
00:51:24.580And to get outside that moral community is to sort of isolate yourself from the community.
00:51:31.580And you put yourself in grave danger, really.
00:51:35.600You know, if you're a pro-slavery person in an abolitionist society, you know, you're going to have problems in the reverse as well.
00:51:49.260So these moral communities are the sort of key to understanding the West.0.69
00:51:54.320And the problem is, as I said, the problem now is that the people who create the culture, who create these moral communities, are anti-white.0.66
00:52:05.960They have big positions in the media, big positions in the culture in general, and the academic culture.
00:54:39.000And I think – so people like him.0.72
00:54:41.760There are a lot of non-Jewish money out there.
00:54:43.800And, you know, you look at Trump's contributors prior to Elon Musk getting involved, about the tune of almost $300 million in the last campaign.
00:55:42.440Right. Yeah, I was going to ask you here at the very end, just maybe a final word, but it seems as though you already began to bring that up. But I was going to ask you in terms of hope, do you have any hope? Because in so many ways, it feels as though we're already very far gone.
00:56:01.180um but i you know it's something that we've spoken about uh with yeah um our media organization
00:56:09.260nxr studios uh but just talking about the the reality is you know a lot of times christians
00:56:16.020you know i'm i'm a christian and we're a christian um media company but christians often think in
00:56:23.080terms of individualism and grassroots bottom up um you know christians especially protestants of
00:56:30.600which i'm i'm one of them um but they you know they think of if you are to change the world or
00:56:36.640change a nation or change the culture it's going to be um and you know the the um the coliseum of
00:56:44.280ideas it's going to be you know persuasion compelling um you know changing hearts and
00:56:50.880minds one at a time uh but i you know and i and i think i just kind of by default believe that for
00:56:58.720probably the majority of my life wouldn't have even necessarily been able to articulate it but
00:57:03.820it's it was just subconsciously always there until really recently just in the last couple years
00:57:10.180where as i've started to understand more history and even more christian history whether it be
00:57:16.420constantine or king alfred or you know this individual or that individual seeing that
00:57:20.700even when it comes to the concept of revival um you know even just studying the old testament
00:57:26.460It's very rare that, you know, the people of Israel under the old covenant and the old covenant, that they all, you know, got together and, you know, the young and the old, the rich and the poor and said, you know what, we just, we have not been behaving ourselves lately and we feel really guilty about that.
00:57:44.180And we've decided collectively that we just, we want to repent, each one of us, you know, repent of our sins and turn to Yahweh and serve him faithfully.
00:57:55.340no what typically happened is the people are idolatrous they've gone after you know there's
00:58:02.240been invasion and you know they've they've hoarded them for themselves um pagan gods from foreign
00:58:09.380peoples uh but god raises up an individual whether it's one of the judges you know gideon or samson
00:58:15.900you know or whether it's one of the kings thinking of josiah you know or hezekiah or this individual
00:58:21.540or that. And this top down, you know, individual with power, real power, position, title, wealth,
00:58:29.860influence, authority, he comes in and doesn't really care so much what the people think. He
00:58:37.060comes in with zeal and true conviction. He's not just, you know, a politician who just goes
00:58:44.340wherever the winds might happen to be blowing, but instead he comes with a genuine conviction0.98
00:58:49.660that Israel is going to serve the Lord, and he begins to knock down and destroy all the high0.83
00:58:55.840places and the altars and the temples to the Baals and the Asherah poles and these, and against,0.94
00:59:01.700actually, that's my point, is against the grassroots, against the people. He says,
00:59:06.260I know you actually don't like this, but I'm sorry, but the idol worship will stop.
00:59:14.640And then what happens over time is that eventually, you know, as he puts in new laws against blasphemy or new laws in terms of fidelity to, you know, the true God of Israel, the people's hearts eventually follow suit.
00:59:29.960And, you know, we're fond of saying, you know, that politics is downstream of culture, but there's a real sense, that's true, but there's a real sense in which it's equally true, if not even perhaps more true, that culture is downstream of politics.
00:59:46.460You see the shift culturally when it comes to the issue of gay marriage, and then you get a
00:59:51.260Bergerfell. But in the same breath, we can say that once you got a Bergerfell, the dam breaks0.87
00:59:56.680and the culture becomes even more pro-gay, immensely, exponentially more. And so I agree1.00
01:00:04.600with you, long way of saying, I agree with you that as a Christian minister, I think that God
01:00:10.860could send revival. And I think that we should continue to speak to the people that we love,
01:00:15.940especially our families and our neighbors, and seek to persuade and seek to compel in positive
01:00:22.340ways. But if history, you know, it doesn't always repeat, but it rhymes. And if history is any
01:00:29.840indicator, even biblical history, Christian history, Christodom, you know, these kinds of
01:00:33.760world history, there is a much more higher likelihood, if we had to guess, if things
01:00:42.360change how they might change there's a far greater likelihood that it would not be grassroots bottom
01:00:48.000up but it would be um a relatively small number of elites with significant influence power and wealth
01:00:57.400that uh that make these changes and then the masses eventually follow is it sounds like that's
01:01:05.220what you're saying and and if so i agree any final word on that yeah i do think that that
01:03:03.100And to the extent we can, get our word out.
01:03:08.280And again, it's been very useful, I think.0.96
01:03:11.960What Israelis did in Gaza is really helping people see that Jews are not the paragon's virtue that you think that they want you to think they are.1.00
01:03:22.860That there's something extremely evil in the Jewish mindset.0.94
01:03:28.980And if you look at, I just put a video online from Al Jazeera showing what the Israeli army did in Gaza, and it's just unbelievable.1.00
01:03:40.600The evil, these people are not paragons of virtue.
01:03:47.240And we have to understand that and advance our own interests.
01:06:46.980Yeah. Amen. Well, Dr. Kevin McDonald, thank you so much for your time and coming on the show. We
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01:11:00.240Antonio Griffith a moment to be able to respond to the interview that we all just watched.
01:11:06.080When you start looking into reading, researching, listening to the question of Jewish power in
01:11:11.860America, it's very easy at the beginning, you can think of the first gulp of the glass,0.97
01:11:16.240that you go a little bit overboard, and you begin to see Jews involved in everything,0.97
01:11:21.000and you can come to the conclusion, maybe you read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion,0.90
01:11:24.840well, Jews run the world. They have this secret cabal, and it's like the Illuminati,0.94
01:11:28.540and they're all powerful and in control of everything. Now, most people don't stick with
01:11:32.880that ultimately as being the explanation, but what Dr. Kevin MacDonald articulates so well
01:11:37.900here in the interview and in his book is there's actually a much more benign explanation. It's
01:11:42.400a lot less malicious. You're not attributing to someone inherent malice, inherent desire for the
01:11:47.800destruction of European countries. But it's an approach that almost all of us would take if we
01:11:52.000were in a similar situation. Jews have been persecuted since the start of Christendom.
01:11:57.160Some of it they brought on themselves. Some of it they didn't. Some of it was over the top.
01:12:02.420Then they often responded when Jerusalem collapses for the first time. I think it's in the early0.90
01:12:07.800600s, Jews burned churches of the Christians that persecuted them just decades before. And so there's
01:12:13.240been this ongoing antagonism between the two groups. And when it comes to our American context
01:12:18.080and immigration, and even the elites like Epstein, they're very much so taking a look at the
01:12:22.720landscape and saying, it is very much so in our interest, just as a people, to survive if we bring
01:12:29.440a lot of people in here. A lot of different minority groups, whether it be from India, whether
01:12:33.460it be from South America, whether it be from Eastern Europe. The more people, the more diversity,
01:12:38.680the more cultures we have here, the less likely we get picked out and targeted. And they are
01:12:44.220absolutely correct in that sense. They're making a rational calculation and saying for the good of
01:12:49.920our in-group, for the good of our people, it is best if we promote immigration. And when the
01:12:54.920United States had a policy on immigration that prioritized Western European immigration,
01:12:59.220that was not what was best for their people. They were kicked out. Dr. McDonald goes into this in
01:13:03.900his book, The Elite Universities. There's very much so a type of WASP universalism. It was
01:13:11.100universally Protestants, universally Christians, universally Western Europeans. They didn't let1.00
01:13:16.860the Jews in. And so Jews said, it is in our best interest to bring these people in. Now, here's the1.00
01:13:21.460thing that we have to respond with. As Americans, is this in our best interest? Okay, so my family's
01:13:27.700been here for 200 years. These people arrived much more recently, and they're looking to be
01:13:32.160seeming to shift the ethnic makeup of the nation. And they're doing that explicitly so they don't0.94
01:13:36.960get targeted, so they don't get called out, and they don't get isolated. And what we have to
01:13:40.700answer is, is this in our best interest? They're acting in their best interest. You guys talked
01:13:44.840about that at the end of the interview. Will we be willing to act in ours? And if we come to the
01:13:49.160conclusion, no, mass immigration is not good. It's not good for our jobs. It's not good for the safety0.99
01:13:53.940of our society. It's not good for building a cohesive, patriotic culture that people want
01:13:58.560to live in. If that's not good for us, then you have to have the courage to be willing to stand
01:14:02.820up and say, I understand where you're coming from, and I get it, and I might even do the same thing
01:14:07.560if I was in that boat. But I'm not. And this is destroying the country. And so because it's our
01:14:12.880country and our land and our ancestors built it and settled the frontier, we're going to have to
01:14:17.840say no. Tens of millions, they have to go back. And in the future, our immigration policy needs0.61
01:14:22.840to mirror what it did in the past, because that produced a prosperous, healthy, safe nation. And
01:14:28.340if you don't like that, we don't hate you. We're not trying to be malicious, but you've got to
01:14:33.980step aside. You don't get to have the reins of power if you're going to use that power to
01:14:38.280disadvantage us and our children at our posterity. Well said. Yeah. One of the reasons conservatives
01:14:43.260have continually lost over the last five decades, and everyone's aware of this, is because they've
01:14:49.380continually accepted the framing of the left. And so a lot of people use this sort of this trite
01:14:54.620phrase of conservatives just defend what liberals pushed for 10 years ago. And one of the reasons
01:15:01.120that is, is because conservatives have never really done the work of determining why the
01:15:06.380postmodern liberal policies we have today actually emerged and what they're the consequence of. And
01:15:10.980I've said this before, but one of the efforts of the new Christian right is to really uncover0.99
01:15:16.500policies from 50 years ago, 60 years ago, that are now serving to the detriment of Americans0.90
01:15:22.520and people who are America first. And that's why some people might criticize this and say,
01:15:27.980oh, well, you're going back into the 50s and 60s and evaluating immigration policy as if it has any
01:15:33.180real impact today. But the fact of the matter is politics have consequences. And to your point,
01:15:39.360Wes, and further to Dr. McDonald's point, politics is fundamentally demographic interest.
01:15:45.540Everyone knows this. And so if you have a demographic that's consistently accepting the frame of another demographic, then of course their policies are going to skew, even in opposition, skew in the direction of that demographic. And that's basically the conversation that we're having here.
01:16:00.280That's such a great point. You're accepting the frame of another ethnic group. Your ethnic group coming under the framing of another ethnic group. What's good for them? Oh, I guess that's good for us too. Actually, maybe it's not.
01:16:10.060And it's good to know that, to your point, these are psychological, rational choices being made by sort of opponents, if you will.
01:16:20.760It's things that are explainable in their frame.
01:16:29.220What they believe about them being an in-group and both their religious and political underpinnings of their worldview, it's no surprise.
01:16:37.400And so to some extent, you would think they shouldn't even really be offended that we're addressing this or rightly identifying that this is true because it's actually, if anything, being gracious towards them and saying, hey, you're being rational.
01:16:52.240We don't think you're being malicious, but we just have opposing interests.
01:22:44.400First, can we see ourselves as a collective?
01:22:47.560Can we love our own, both in the natural category, heritage Americans, nationally, politically, ethnically, these things, and then in the spiritual category as well.
01:22:57.500And I'm not saying necessarily that order.
01:22:58.980I think the spiritual is even more important.
01:23:00.500but Christian, Christian, that matters. Then once we can do that, so first, prefer your own.
01:23:07.620Second, in humane, legal, benevolent ways, limit the opposition. Limit the opposition.
01:23:17.040Put them on trains? No, I'm not saying that. But what I am saying is if there are Jews in America
01:23:24.000and they're disproportionately represented, start politically in your government, right?0.90
01:23:29.200So if 2% of America is ethnically Jewish, but 4%, for instance, and it's higher, but 4% of your political apparatus is Jewish representatives, then maybe don't do that.0.54
01:23:46.000Maybe say, you know what, maybe we shouldn't do that.0.64
01:23:49.460And I have very clear solutions for this so that it's not biased, it's not malicious, it's not arbitrary or capricious.
01:23:59.200I think that we should have a standard of men.0.92
01:26:49.900But the irony was that, you know, they played the the Howl Hitler song by Kanye.
01:26:57.320And after playing that in the club, they got kicked out of like every nightclub in the entire city of Miami.
01:27:05.180And it was just funny because the Jewish mayor of Miami denounces it by name.
01:27:08.940Why are you kicking? It's like we're kicking out Nick Fuentes.
01:27:11.220And these guys are anti-Semitic. They said that Jews rule the world.0.93
01:27:14.360And it's like, but the Jewish owner of the nightclub just kicked out for playing this song, Nick Fuentes, from every nightclub in the entire city.
01:27:22.840So we are furious that you say Jews are in charge of everything.
01:27:27.180And also, we're kicking you out of everything because we actually are in charge of everything.
01:27:34.220Let's start with the Rumble super chat from Yavin.
01:27:36.120he sent $20 and says, regarding the inconsistency between the fascist ethno-nationalism of Zionism
01:27:42.780and the multiculturalism religious pluralism of the left Jews, do they share a monolithic
01:27:48.600Jewish consciousness? Yes. The only thing that I think all three of us would want to push back
01:27:55.100on here is just take the word fascist out of it. Not because it's a no-no word, not because we're
01:28:00.360scared, because it's just not true. So I actually don't want to give that to the libtards, to the1.00
01:28:07.860raging leftists and progressives, because what they want to do is say, you want to have a country1.00
01:28:11.860and a future for your children, you're a fascist, right? And so in having equal weights and measures,
01:28:17.940right, being fair across the board, it actually is not fascist. If the Jews in Israel are saying,
01:28:24.500we want predominantly an ethno state here in Israel. That's not fascist, right? Is Japan
01:28:32.640fascist? No. Is Uganda fascist? No. Is Russia fascist? Maybe. Maybe. I don't think so. But
01:28:42.320anyways, so take the fascist part out of it, not because it's a no-no word, but because it's just
01:28:47.780technically imprecise. It's just not true. So instead, let's read the question like this,
01:28:51.860Regarding the inconsistency between the ethno-nationalist of Zionism, and I'm thinking primarily Jews in Israel, Israeli citizens, their government and for their nation, and then the multiculturalism, religious pluralism of Jews on the left.
01:29:08.900And in that regard, I'm thinking of mainly Jews in America.
01:29:11.300I believe it's about 70, 80% of Jews in America are left.
01:29:16.660And voting patterns, I believe, is a hard 80% Democrat vote every single election.0.65
01:29:21.860And so there's Jews on the right who are in Israel, and they think, for Israel, let's have an ethno-state.
01:29:30.820Let's let it be Jewish and prefer our people.
01:29:33.400And then Jews outside of Israel in America are, let's embrace multiculturalism.