The NXR Podcast - NXR Livestream - Tucker Carlson, Mike Huckabee, & Doug Wilson

00:00:00.000 Today we're breaking down not just one but two vitally important interviews. Tucker Carlson

00:00:04.500 over the weekend interviewed American ambassador to Israel, that is Mike Huckabee, and also he

00:00:10.680 interviewed a notable pastor in Idaho here in our country named Douglas Wilson. These two interviews

00:00:17.300 were incredibly revealing. There is a sinister and growing not just affection, not just defense,

00:00:23.620 not just appreciation, but idolatrous affection, borderline worship for the nation state of Israel

00:00:30.580 on the right-wing political aisle here in America. It is an idolatrous affection, borderline

00:00:35.980 worship, and it must be revealed, exposed, and rebuked. This is a massive problem. And some of

00:00:43.440 the rhetoric from the Zionists in our country is, well, Israel is the last line of defense, 0.97

00:00:48.720 protecting us here in America by fighting the war against the invasion of Islam over there 0.96

00:00:55.960 in the Middle East so that we don't have to deal with it here in our country. But that is simply 1.00

00:01:00.020 not true. It is Jewish influence and has been for decades now in countries in the West that has

00:01:06.360 ultimately opened the door to a full flood of immigration from multiple third world countries, 0.76

00:01:13.460 which include Muslim countries, but also the third world country, and it is third world,

00:01:19.560 India. It's not just Islam, but by the tens and arguably hundreds of thousands we have on H-1B

00:01:26.160 visas, Indians coming into these United States, they are not Muslims, but they are Hindus. And

00:01:32.040 guys, we just have to set the record straight. It is not the Muslims, right? We have an ongoing 1.00

00:01:36.880 feud between Christianity and Islam stretching over 1,300 years. Read Defenders of the West. 1.00

00:01:42.760 Read Sword and Scimitar. I don't want to downplay the idolatry and false religion that is Islam. 1.00

00:01:49.680 Islam is not on Team Christ. All right, let's set that straight. However, it is not the Muslims who 1.00

00:01:55.460 are building 90-foot-tall statues outside of major American cities here on American soil. It is 0.76

00:02:02.520 Hindus. It is not the Muslims who are setting up temples in Canada, our neighbors to the north, 0.57

00:02:07.800 and performing rank pagan idolatrous rituals to be televised all over the internet. Let's be 0.87

00:02:16.080 honest for a moment. Islam is not our biggest problem. It has been historically. It currently

00:02:22.460 is only a problem because we continue to bring them here. If it wasn't for the influence in our

00:02:28.780 politics, which is disproportionately Jewish, opening the doors with immigration policy, 1.00

00:02:34.600 bringing the Muslims here and the Hindus in almost a 10 to 1 ratio, then we wouldn't be 0.99

00:02:40.780 having the problems we are today. We need to get to the source. The source is not Islam. The source 1.00

00:02:46.560 isn't even Hinduism. The source is Israel. And to be more specific in a general sense, it's not just

00:02:53.740 Israel, but it is Jewish people here in the United States pushing for progressive secular policies 0.87

00:03:01.080 that weaken our country. 0.99

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00:03:10.360 Radical Christian nationalist pastor,

00:03:13.500 Joel Webben.

00:03:14.300 Joel Webben?

00:03:15.560 I'm going to talk about Joel Webben.

00:03:17.400 Joel Webben is an accident.

00:03:31.080 this is a massively important conversation over the weekend tucker carlson he had not just one

00:03:44.120 but two different interviews we're going to start with his interview with mike huckabee

00:03:47.780 there were things that were said by senator mike huckabee that are absolutely disgusting appalling

00:03:53.900 the idea that israel not only has a right to exist right that could be spoken about i think

00:04:00.960 that no country, just for the record, I'm not picking on Israel in this regard, I don't think 0.95

00:04:05.160 that any country has an inherent right to exist. Every country that does exist, exists because it

00:04:11.020 conquered some land at some point, and then not only does it have to conquer, it then has to be

00:04:16.720 able to keep and maintain, and the moment that it can't, and some other nation conquers it, well,

00:04:21.820 then it ceases to exist, right? That's the way that nations work. They rise and fall. So no nation,

00:04:27.920 no country, not just Israel, but any country for that matter, has somehow a divine or inherent

00:04:33.640 right to exist. And the problem with that statement, as it pertains to the nation of Israel,

00:04:40.760 is that everything that's baked into the statement assumes that Israel doesn't just have a right to

00:04:46.460 exist, but has a right to our taxes, our military, our support in order to maintain its existence.

00:04:52.720 And so that's already problematic enough in and of itself.

00:04:57.400 But in addition to that sentiment, which has become quite common, Mike Huckabee went much

00:05:03.100 further and not just saying that Israel, as we know it today, its current borders, that

00:05:08.840 that should be maintained, that that has some kind of inherent right to exist, but that

00:05:13.300 Israel should actually be a lot larger, that Israel really has some kind of divine inherent

00:05:19.280 right to a sizable portion of the Middle East that would include other countries being replaced, 0.87

00:05:27.120 conquered, decimated. It was quite the conversation. Well, if you remember, it's about six months ago,

00:05:33.020 Tucker Carlson had on Ted Cruz. And Ted Cruz, the United States senator from Texas,

00:05:38.140 all too common Texas L, unfortunately. Ted Cruz has explicitly billed himself as,

00:05:42.540 I am a fighter for Israel. And so six months ago, he sat down with Ted Cruz, and it was about two

00:05:46.520 hours. Why do American Christians, American evangelicals have to support Israel? And Tucker's

00:05:52.660 trying to get to the root of the question, what biblical basis do they have? What claim to the

00:05:56.240 land do they have? And so he's sitting down, now sitting down with Mike Huckabee, the ambassador

00:06:00.320 to Israel. He's not just sitting down with your evangelical pastor who was raised on dispensationalism

00:06:06.220 and doesn't know his left hand from his right. He's sitting down with United States senators,

00:06:10.060 United States ambassadors, and asking them, just give me a basic answer. What does Israel offer

00:06:15.340 to us as far as diplomatic and economic and military advantages in the region? Oh, you can't

00:06:21.280 really articulate it. Oh, why do Christians from the Bible have to support the state of Israel? 0.91

00:06:25.940 And both of these men, men that are experienced, I mean, Mike Huckabee was a pastor, men that are

00:06:30.740 evangelicals through and through, men that are intimately involved with everything that goes on

00:06:35.080 geopolitically with Israel, none of them could give a compelling answer. The takeaway from both

00:06:39.280 of those interviews was just by asking questions, just by digging in, just by even quoting the

00:06:44.200 scripture. I mean, Tucker's no pastor. He does a good job, but he's just basically reading the

00:06:48.140 narrative from Genesis, both of them stumped, both of them tripping over themselves, both of them

00:06:52.660 saying things. I mean, Mike Huckabee, we'll go to this clip in a minute, his statement that Israel

00:06:56.820 could take it if they wanted to, it garnered the condemnation of a number of our allies in the

00:07:02.860 region. You can see this on screen. This is a joint statement from the United Arab Emirates,

00:07:06.640 the Republic of Indonesia, Republic of Pakistan, Bahrain, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, literally all

00:07:11.960 coming out and saying, we're extremely concerned that a U.S. ambassador to Israel is saying,

00:07:17.100 Israel, this country that's not America, could take these nations over, our nations over,

00:07:21.700 our country, our land, if we want to. Tucker is embarrassing these guys on the global stage.

00:07:28.040 Yeah, and that's where the theological arguments I think Cruz made and Huckabee made as well in

00:07:32.140 the interview, they're so tenuous. And you can see it when they start talking about it. It seems so

00:07:37.420 projected, you know, you've received the talking points or like the grade school, elementary

00:07:42.960 version of those who bless Israel will be blessed. And yeah, and I think it comes out

00:07:49.660 as Tucker continues to push him and says, well, where does that write in? Have you really thought

00:07:54.700 through this? Israel, why wouldn't they be able to have Jordan? Why wouldn't they be able to have

00:07:59.200 Saudi Arabia, or at least parts of it? And he bluffs, you know, he gaffs, I should say, because

00:08:06.000 he says, I guess, I suppose they could. If I'm being consistent with the boundaries the Bible

00:08:11.420 lays out. Let's go to the first thing that they opened the interview with. And this was a

00:08:14.720 discussion of Mike Huckabee's meeting with a spy named Jonathan Pollard. Jonathan Pollard,

00:08:19.080 30, 40 years ago, stole United States war secrets, sold them to Russia, and served over 30 years in

00:08:25.600 prison for it. Now, he himself is Jewish. He lives now in Israel. And he's gone on a tour since being 0.88

00:08:31.140 released, basically saying, I would do it again. I'm unapologetic. I want to read from an interview

00:08:35.820 that Tucker cited. He didn't directly quote it, but he cited, and it illustrates what we've been

00:08:40.660 saying for six to eight months about this problem. This is Jonathan Pollard in his words, in an

00:08:45.360 interview with Israel Hayom, talking about, would you do this again? And specifically the accusation,

00:08:53.000 do Jews in the United States have dual loyalties? Jonathan Pollard said this, if you don't like the

00:08:57.460 accusation of double loyalty, again, this is Jews in America, if you don't like the accusation of

00:09:01.580 double loyalty, then go the blank home. It's as simple as that. If you live in a country where 0.78

00:09:06.540 you are constantly under that charge, then you don't belong there. You go home, you come home.

00:09:10.640 If you live outside of Israel, then, and it transitions here, then you have a responsibility. 0.67

00:09:17.280 You have a dual loyalty. He says this, American Jewry has a massive problem. American Jews

00:09:23.140 consider themselves more American than they do Jews. That is the crux of this issue with Israel. 0.74

00:09:29.520 It is the country in the Middle East, yes, but it's also about the disproportionate power and the disproportionate loyalty here in the United States that they offer and render to service of this country.

00:09:40.580 And Tucker, it's funny because he's very against speaking in groups, speaking categorically.

00:09:45.560 You can see him asking all these questions, well, we have these people here that have this allegiance.

00:09:49.260 We have these people here with these loyalty. 0.65

00:09:50.800 Here's them in their own words saying American Jews, the problem with them is that they're more loyal to America than to Israel.

00:09:57.100 and asking the question, what do we do about that?

00:10:00.140 What are the implications of this?

00:10:01.700 Doesn't this kind of imply that we have a unique problem?

00:10:06.120 You don't just, I guess you could say this.

00:10:08.460 Somalians say the same thing.

00:10:09.700 They love Somalia.

00:10:11.520 Somalians, the average IQ is, it's more about the 70s. 1.00

00:10:15.460 They're not as effective. 1.00

00:10:16.480 They're not able to requisition, to direct,

00:10:20.720 to get weapons, economic support, missiles,

00:10:24.400 arms deal packages.

00:10:25.400 They're not able to do that.

00:10:26.400 they're not as upwardly mobile. American Jews uniquely are, and they've used that 1.00

00:10:30.920 to look out for Israel. Now, it makes sense why people would do that. I can imagine if I was

00:10:36.060 displaced or I was in another country and I was in a diplomatic position, in a political position,

00:10:40.580 I would also try to use all the power at my disposal to help the United States, to help

00:10:45.780 Texas, to help my homeland. But when it comes down to, hey, would the United States be willing to

00:10:50.980 bomb Iran, a country with bordering Russia to the north, with economic relations to China in the

00:10:56.860 east, potentially sparking off another Cold War? Would you be willing to do that to us? Well, that

00:11:01.500 doesn't seem like it's in our best interest. It's in the best interest of a donor class, a group of

00:11:05.620 highly connected people with a lot of money, with a dual loyalty. It's in their interest. It's not

00:11:10.160 in the interest of the farm boy from Iowa. It's not in the interest of the Midwest. It's not in 0.64

00:11:13.800 the interest of California. It's not in our interest as Christians. And yet we are still 0.92

00:11:18.000 being guilted and manipulated by men like mike huckabee say you have a not just political not

00:11:25.060 just an economic a religious obligation to support this yeah i actually thought that i thought that

00:11:30.840 was one of the most telling uh parts of the interview with tucker and huckabee is is at

00:11:34.940 some point um tucker sort of admits if you will like a bitterness he says uh you know what i am

00:11:40.240 a little bitter that my country that people don't talk about my country like they talk about israel

00:11:45.580 American citizens in Israel, including the ambassador to Israel, is talking about Israel as it has a right to exist.

00:11:52.220 And they're surrounded by enemies on all sides.

00:11:54.920 And I think Tucker basically makes the point that I wish people cared about America that way.

00:12:00.240 He uses, I think, England a couple times as an example of, do they have a right to exist?

00:12:04.580 What about them? 0.98

00:12:05.240 What about immigration that's swelling? 1.00

00:12:06.760 Their borders are open and they're getting replaced by immigrants from these third world countries. 1.00

00:12:12.400 And I think that actually is kind of the heart of it. 1.00

00:12:14.580 You can throw the label of anti-Semite, you can throw the label of a Jew hater, whatever the case is, but Tucker makes it really plain and simple. It's the fact that we want our country. We want people to be patriotic and on an international stage for our geopolitics to align with the interests of our country because we're American.

00:12:33.720 And to your point, and as we talk about dual loyalty, I think that's what becomes clear, is that those who are aligned with Israel and Israel's interests, they actually don't think that way.

00:12:43.640 Right, right. One of the things I'm so sick of, I'm just going to say it, is it's not even truly a Mott and Bailey, right? Because the Mott and Bailey fallacy is the idea that you have something that's very reasonable, very rational, very defensible. And then, you know, that's kind of like the tower, the Mott, you know, and then you can go out into the Bailey. This is, you know, out into the fields and extend, you know, push forward your arguments, but it's less defensible, right? So it's a greater reach, you know, it's more transgressive, more aggressive, but it's less defensible.

00:13:11.640 And so whenever somebody attacks you for going out into the Bailey, then you retreat to the Mott, you know, and as soon as you're defended in the Mott and they start to back off because they're like, oh, you know, now we look like the bad guys attacking this very defensible position.

00:13:23.080 Then you push back out into the Bailey, right?

00:13:24.960 That's the Mott and Bailey fallacy.

00:13:27.220 But what we see in the case of Israel, Mike Huckabee did this on multiple occasions throughout the interview, is it's not even the Mott and the Bailey.

00:13:35.880 It's like the Mott and the Mott.

00:13:37.160 It's like two Mott's.

00:13:38.140 And this is what I'm talking about.

00:13:39.120 anytime that you start to press and tucker did at certain points he's like okay can you can you

00:13:44.460 prove to me can you show me the evidence of some kind of genetic claim to this land i want i want

00:13:50.600 to understand right because i mean we're not talking about um you know ashkenazi jews being

00:13:56.140 here for the last 2 000 years we're talking about them being here since 1948 this is a fairly recent

00:14:01.940 development somebody else was there right for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years

00:14:06.080 until the West, Christian nations, which I don't know what we were thinking, but Christian nations 1.00

00:14:10.240 were like, you know what, we should displace an entire people and put Jews back into this location 0.99

00:14:17.540 and we should put Jews into a sea of Muslims and put ourselves and our children and our children's 1.00

00:14:23.860 children forever and ever and ever on the hook financially to supporting them because they're 1.00

00:14:29.440 going to require our defense constantly in order to be able to maintain this space. And so

00:14:35.620 So my point is that, you know, the Jews may have been there initially a very long time ago, but they have been absent from this place for centuries and centuries until relatively recently in 1948.

00:14:49.280 And so Tucker is kind of pushing on this point and saying, what is the genetic claim?

00:14:53.540 Is it something that's provable?

00:14:55.540 You know, we have the DNA testing.

00:14:57.540 Could we do that?

00:14:58.700 Could we see some of the genetic results?

00:15:00.480 I'd like to know.

00:15:01.040 And it's at that point, whenever that line of reasoning, which is not something Tucker came up with, that's what guys like Mike Huckabee and guys like Netanyahu would assert.

00:15:10.900 They would say, well, we have a genetic claim.

00:15:12.540 We were here 2,000 years ago, and yeah, we took a 19 and a half century hiatus, but it's still ours.

00:15:19.580 We took the long way.

00:15:20.520 Yeah, we took the long way.

00:15:21.540 Took the detour off the highway, came back around. 0.57

00:15:23.280 But we called dibs 2,000 years ago, and so it's ours. 0.71

00:15:26.280 And international Jewry, for the record, the Balfour Declaration, the United States recognizing Israel early, it was Jews ingratiated into Western countries that lobbied and lobbied and lobbied without themselves moving that made it possible that the UN and Britain would ultimately rescind their control of the territory, giving it to the Jewish state.

00:15:43.680 So even back then, your 1900s, Jews actively working in all the different capacities they had, friends with the president, friends with the prime minister, working internationally to achieve this.

00:15:54.280 Right. Yep. And guys like Winston Churchill magically being out of debt. Who paid the debt? Who helped him out? So there's that claim. And it's guys like Mike Huckabee and guys like Netanyahu, guys who are Jewish or Jewish adjacent, who are pushing that line of reasoning, that argument for rights to Israel, saying the genetic claim.

00:16:16.960 But the moment that that starts to be pushed back on, like we saw in the interview with Tucker Carlson, then they go from the Mott to the Mott, right?

00:16:23.100 And in this case, the other Mott is the religious claim, right?

00:16:25.920 So it's, well, actually, it's, you know, it's because we're Jews, religiously. 0.91

00:16:30.440 Oh, I'm not talking about ethnic Jewishness.

00:16:33.260 I'm talking about the religious Jewishness.

00:16:35.220 And then that gets pressed on.

00:16:36.360 It's like, so anybody anywhere in the world can just convert to Judaism, and all of a sudden, do they automatically get citizenship?

00:16:43.460 Do they automatically have a right to live here? 0.81

00:16:45.560 like the moment that somebody converts to you know if if a muslim right a pakistani converts to 0.94

00:16:51.660 judaism do they get a house in israel and citizenship you know is that it's like oh no 0.73

00:16:57.660 that's it's it's genetic and then okay but what about you know can you prove it let's do some 0.67

00:17:01.600 dna oh no it's religious okay what about no oh it's genetic and they just kind of go back and 0.88

00:17:06.060 forth and back and forth but i just want to say for the record the jews are just they're not doing 0.97

00:17:11.540 this right. They need to upgrade their game, right? So let me give you an example. This is 1.00

00:17:17.080 what I personally have decided. I just decided this this morning, right? But I think it's one

00:17:20.700 of the best decisions I've ever made in my life. What I've decided is that I'm going to search for

00:17:26.260 the lost city of Atlantis. I'm going to find the ancient documents. I'm going to transcribe them,

00:17:32.180 use some AI technology, learn how to speak the language, adopt some of the rituals. And you've

00:17:37.680 got Jews doing this, right? Today, Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, and claiming land rights. 0.98

00:17:43.520 But what really matters is all these guys going off these little pieces of land. What about water 1.00

00:17:49.200 rights, ocean rights? I'm going to seize for myself the heritage of the great Atlanteans by

00:17:56.080 finding documents, learning to speak the language. I'm going to then say, I'll never be able to prove

00:18:00.600 it, but that I am of this genetic line and religiously. I might convert to whatever God

00:18:05.620 Atlanteans used to worship. And then I want actual rights to all the ocean. That means anybody who

00:18:12.280 is mining or drilling oil offshore, I want royalties on all that. I'll let you keep even

00:18:18.120 50% because I'm a generous guy, but I'm going to be the king of Atlantis. That will give me power

00:18:23.800 and even financial economic rights over all the oceans, the seven seas. That's my claim.

00:18:30.760 And I feel like it's a comparable claim

00:18:32.760 to the one that we heard from Mike Huckabee.

00:18:35.340 That's my opinion.

00:18:36.560 All right.

00:18:37.240 Anything else on this?

00:18:38.440 Because we've got another interview

00:18:39.480 that we want to discuss.

00:18:40.780 Well, I would just add,

00:18:42.640 there's several different ways

00:18:44.300 that the pro-Israel camp

00:18:46.620 tries to make a case

00:18:49.120 that America should support Israel.

00:18:50.680 So there's the theological,

00:18:51.520 and I feel like we've treated that.

00:18:53.080 It's very obvious.

00:18:54.280 It's very shallow, very elementary.

00:18:56.960 But then there's this lens

00:18:58.180 of this transactional, mutually beneficial military collaboration.

00:19:04.980 It's, hey, we give them $13.8 billion in aid.

00:19:08.800 They spend that back on American defense companies like Lockheed Martin, Raytheon.

00:19:13.320 And then we actually, by deploying those missile systems, for example, in the Middle East,

00:19:19.700 we can gather intelligence.

00:19:21.200 They give us information about terrorist organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah

00:19:25.280 and all of the Iranian influence in the region. 0.98

00:19:28.180 And that's supposed to be mutually beneficial.

00:19:31.540 But I think the point that's missing, and I think Tucker pinned Huckabee on this, is

00:19:35.920 if you think about Iran, for example, Quinnipiac poll in mid-January came out and said seven

00:19:41.180 out of 10 Americans do not support military action in Iran.

00:19:44.720 That's 80% of independents.

00:19:46.440 That's like almost 80% of Democrats and a little over half of Republicans. 0.84

00:19:50.300 All said, we don't want the U.S. to get involved in Iran.

00:19:53.960 And come to find out, the U.S. is actively preparing for military action in Iran.

00:19:58.800 And it's like, what's the explanation for that?

00:20:00.880 Americans don't support it. 0.60

00:20:03.180 So I feel like the only thing you're left with is, okay, Israel has an undue influence.

00:20:09.700 They have more influence than American citizens, at least you can say, on this issue. 0.80

00:20:14.020 And there's no response to that.

00:20:15.940 Right.

00:20:16.260 Yeah, that's undeniable.

00:20:17.480 And the irony to me is that from what Tucker was saying and looking into it a little bit,

00:20:23.400 The support or the lack thereof in this case for the U.S. in its involvement in a war in Iran is ironically, like shockingly comparable, like almost to the T, with the U.S.'s supports once upon a time with joining into World War II.

00:20:41.540 right but then something happened namely pearl harbor and then all of a sudden we decided yes

00:20:47.860 we're going to get involved and over the course of the west christian nations you had millions of

00:20:53.540 young men die and and morally right psychologically and religiously in in large respect we never

00:21:00.320 recovered from that we like we never recover and not just us we america but all these western

00:21:06.180 nations european nations in america christian nations western nations never really recovered

00:21:10.840 from the catastrophic losses of two world wars.

00:21:15.560 People lost a sense of optimism and hopefulness for the future

00:21:19.900 and all those kinds of things, and we never really recovered.

00:21:23.200 But initially, if you go back and look,

00:21:25.720 Americans were just as gung-ho about jumping into World War II

00:21:31.860 as they are jumping into a war with Iran. 0.56

00:21:34.440 That is to say, not gung-ho at all, until something significant happened.

00:21:39.480 And I'm not a prophet nor a son of a prophet.

00:21:42.180 And in this case, I really, really want to be wrong. 0.95

00:21:44.400 But it does make me wonder, is there going to be some kind of Muslim event, kind of like a 9-11 or something like that, that's going to happen in the next maybe year to two years, that's going to change Americans' minds about why we need to go in there and fight Iran, just like there was an event, namely Pearl Harbor, that changed our minds about joining into World War II. 0.84

00:22:09.480 um that's that's one of those questions that can keep you up at night well said all right let's go

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00:23:39.120 All right, we're going to shift the conversation now to the interview that took place between

00:23:43.080 Tucker Carlson and Douglas Wilson. We have two clips that we want to show. The first clip that

00:23:47.540 you'll see is Tucker Carlson talking about the way, it's the unspoken rules of the game. It's

00:23:54.180 the way this whole thing works. And a lot of you are not aware of this, but it is very much the way

00:23:59.420 that it works? How is it that certain Jewish people, or in this case, Yoram Hazoni is who

00:24:06.440 we're going to reference. He lives in Israel, is an Israeli citizen. How is it that he's also

00:24:14.900 on the right? He is a nationalist. But how is it that he has such outsized influence when it comes

00:24:20.360 to the right wing of politics here in America? And so the first clip that we're going to see

00:24:24.680 is Tucker talking about the way that this works. And everybody who's in a position of influence and

00:24:31.480 works behind the scenes all know about this, but very few people are willing to talk about it. And

00:24:36.040 we're going to talk about it today. The second clip, because I just want to show them back to

00:24:39.480 back and then we can have our conversation, is from Douglas Wilson and kind of pushing back on

00:24:45.380 Tucker and saying, well, Tucker, because Tucker says, what's the significance of Israel? Are there

00:24:49.560 trade routes through it? Is there just a ton of oil? Are they helping us financially? Are they

00:24:54.340 helping us in this way or that? Like, why are we bending over backwards for this country more than

00:24:59.420 any other country in the world? Why are they our greatest ally? Why do we give them money? Why do

00:25:04.620 we send our sons to fight their wars? And the answer, and I think this is the correct answer, 0.90

00:25:10.360 I think it's wrong, but I should say it's the genuine. I think this is what Douglas Wilson and

00:25:15.080 many other guys on the right actually believe. He does give a truthful answer in terms of what

00:25:21.680 he's convinced of. I'm convinced he's wrong, but he does give a truthful answer. And so we're going

00:25:26.880 to see that clip because it's telling and there's a lot that we'll be able to discuss on the backside.

00:25:31.960 So the first clip again is going to be Tucker in regards to the way the game is played behind the

00:25:37.980 scenes. How is it that Jews in America and even Jews in Israel have such outsized influence that's

00:25:44.440 growing in America on the right side of the aisle politically? And then also, what is the reason?

00:25:51.940 Because Tucker asked a fantastic question. Why is it that we are so supportive of Israel? What do we

00:25:57.160 gain by it? And we'll see Pastor Douglas Wilson's answer. Here we go. And so this is not my chief

00:26:03.700 concern. My chief concern is my country. But if you cared about Israel, man, they're in a bad spot

00:26:07.520 right now. But no one can admit it. They all have to lie about everything. And the people who lie

00:26:12.540 the most, can I say, are the evangelical preachers who go over there on an all-expense-paid vacation

00:26:19.040 with a foreign government and then come back and tell me that I'm an Islamist because I don't

00:26:24.540 think that we should kill children. And then you ask them, did you do a lot of evangelizing in

00:26:28.660 Israel? Because like your whole job is to tell people about Jesus. Did you do that a lot in

00:26:31.980 Tel Aviv? Shut up, anti-Semite. What? I thought we were on team Jesus here, which I am, by the way. 1.00

00:26:37.780 And I think evangelists should evangelize. So like, I'm just saying, without getting into it,

00:26:41.900 This is a true crisis.

00:26:44.820 And Trump had a lot of ideas for how to deal with it.

00:26:47.280 I don't know if all of them were right or not, but his energy was focused on this.

00:26:49.660 And then this foreign leader of a country of 9 million people with no resources, no

00:26:53.300 strategic value at all, at all.

00:26:55.940 It's not, I love Jerusalem.

00:26:57.700 Great. 0.96

00:26:58.260 Israel, apart from our defense guarantee, is meaningless.

00:27:01.580 We, Israel's important because we say it's important.

00:27:03.060 That's the only reason.

00:27:04.560 Well.

00:27:05.780 What's its strategic importance other than that?

00:27:07.760 Are there trade routes that go through it?

00:27:09.000 Do we, they have a ton of oil we need?

00:27:10.200 Like, what is this?

00:27:10.900 I don't understand it.

00:27:12.780 I think it's a very simple thing. 0.97

00:27:16.300 And that is, going back to our friends, the Christian Zionists,

00:27:20.160 they're a huge voting bloc in American domestic politics.

00:27:24.140 Well, of course.

00:27:25.000 Right.

00:27:25.420 And so anybody who wants to be successful in American politics on the right of center

00:27:30.960 has to demonstrate a...

00:27:34.300 You're absolutely right.

00:27:35.280 ...has to demonstrate an affection for Israel.

00:27:40.900 well there it is um and and this is consistent on doug's part uh to give him credit so um for

00:27:49.540 those of you who are not familiar you know some of our friends uh the ogden boys they're a part

00:27:54.100 of a church in ogden utah and uh and do some podcasts and media and things like that they've

00:27:59.120 done a lot of great work christian men uh pastors of a church there uh they when some of the feud

00:28:05.540 began to unfold between Moscow and Apologia, another organization called the Ezra Institute

00:28:13.420 against ourselves here with NXR, Right Response Ministries here in Georgetown, the church that

00:28:19.260 we're a part of, as well as the guys in Ogden. And there was this fracturing and a clear divergence

00:28:26.860 of paths, one being very pro-Israel and then our side of the aisle, not so much. There was an

00:28:33.540 attempt to reconcile there was an attempt to try to get some sort of resolution to make peace to

00:28:39.480 hold this muscular more engaged politically culturally engaged subset of the reformed

00:28:50.760 protestant movement trying to hold it together and so what happened is that the boys from Ogden

00:28:55.760 just within days of Christmas you know took it out of their schedules to take a seven-hour trip

00:29:02.440 just one way. So, you know, quite the drive to go and visit Douglas Wilson and some of his leaders

00:29:09.100 that would include, in this case, his son, Nate Wilson. This would also include Jared Longshore

00:29:13.340 and Joe Rigney. And, you know, he was going and meeting with these individuals, the guys from

00:29:19.240 Ogden, and having a conversation, how can we seek peace? We don't see eye to eye on the Israel issue.

00:29:25.700 And one of the things that was explicitly said in that meeting is that Christians, politically conservative Christians on the right, who are trying to save the country and trying to ultimately establish a Christian nation, Christian nationalism, if you will, that that task cannot succeed without the Jews. 0.88

00:29:50.320 that we can't there was no winning scenario without the Jews um essentially um it was it 0.83

00:29:58.060 was basically like think of Saruman you know it's like you can't you can't beat Sauron you can't win 0.98

00:30:02.880 um the only thing you can do is join him and and that was basically the answer given and I again

00:30:09.080 like I said I appreciate the consistency this is the same answer now that's given by Pastor Douglas

00:30:13.880 Wilson to Tucker Carlson and uh the clip that we've just watched essentially what Doug Wilson

00:30:19.320 is saying is that, yeah, I know that in economic terms and geopolitical terms and pretty much in

00:30:26.480 religious terms and every kind of term you can think of, there is absolutely no benefit. It is

00:30:32.040 not a two-way street. It's a one-way relationship that America has with Israel, that Christians have 1.00

00:30:37.440 with Jews. We do not benefit at all. However, we still have to have some kind of affection for 0.93

00:30:44.020 Israel, because if you're going to be a pastoral figure on the right in America or a political

00:30:49.740 figure on the right in America, if you want any kind of leadership or influence on the

00:30:54.720 right wing, political, cultural right wing in America at all, then you have to demonstrate,

00:31:00.920 you have to signal some sort of affection, not just defense, right?

00:31:06.740 Or not just avoid criticism or avoid anti-Semitism, but you actually have to signal on somewhat

00:31:13.560 of a regular and clear basis, affection, positive affection for Israel, because on the right

00:31:21.360 political aisle here in America, there's a bunch of Zionist Christians, dispensational Zionist

00:31:27.840 Christians, and you can't win politically without their support. And on that point, and we can come 0.65

00:31:34.040 back to this a little bit more later, but on that point, I just want to state, for the record,

00:31:37.900 I vehemently disagree. I think that that is a short-sighted strategy. There was a time where

00:31:45.600 that may have been true. And even if it were ever true, and it probably was, the means still don't

00:31:51.340 justify, or rather the end, if you win the election, the end still does not justify the

00:31:56.640 means. It's like, okay, so great. So we got Bush into office. Great. All right. Like, oh, we got

00:32:02.700 this person into office. We won this election with the GOP. How's that working out for us?

00:32:08.320 How's that been working out? How has neoconservativism been working out for America's

00:32:13.380 benefits? So yes, we pander to the dispensational Christian Zionist on the right political side of 0.89

00:32:19.780 the equation here in America so that we can rally the base. We love Israel. We really love Israel.

00:32:25.180 Come and vote. Come out and vote. We get our neocon, limp-wristed GOP candidate into office.

00:32:32.160 he does absolutely nothing except for give in to certain Jewish policies that end up giving us 0.81

00:32:38.780 more immigrants. Here, we become more fractured as a nation. The welfare state grows. Our taxes 0.90

00:32:43.620 raise all these different things. We go and fight another war that we have no business being a part

00:32:48.600 of. So I think that it did win, and if we're saying winning the election is the end, but the

00:32:54.720 means by which we won that election, and even winning the election itself, didn't actually

00:32:59.060 transpire into some kind of benefit for America. And I think we can demonstrate that clearly. We

00:33:05.680 all instinctively know this over the last 50, 60 years of American conservative politics.

00:33:11.060 However, that was true. It wasn't beneficial, but it was true. It's no longer not even is it

00:33:19.280 not beneficial, but it's not even true on its face anymore. It is a short-sighted strategy because

00:33:24.840 what it assumes is that boomers are going to be the voting bloc in perpetuity, that they're always 0.94

00:33:32.260 going to be here. But we know that certainly the left has been this way for quite a while, 0.94

00:33:37.500 but now on the right, the younger contingency on the right, both Gen Z, certainly Gen Z and

00:33:45.340 Gen Alpha, but also a growing number of millennials and a fair number of Gen X, pretty much millennials

00:33:51.900 and Gen X are kind of split on the issue of pro-Israel or not. Gen Z and Gen Alpha are very

00:33:58.660 much against a pro-Israel contingent. And boomers are really the only ones who are diehard. The 0.77

00:34:06.180 greatest dream of a boomer is that not only their children, but also their grandchildren would get 0.96

00:34:11.520 to go and die in the sand in the Middle East for Israel. And that draped over their casket at the 0.89

00:34:17.560 funeral, would be an American flag, an Israeli flag, and that there would be a pastor, you know,

00:34:22.680 doing the eulogy, but also, you know, a Jewish rabbi who would come up and say a few words as

00:34:27.540 well. I mean, that is the boomer's dream. It's very, I mean, I'm being a little facetious,

00:34:31.600 but not much. It's really actually wicked. It's disgusting. It's really, really sad that this

00:34:37.000 generation has been so deceived and so propagandized. But the point is, this generation,

00:34:43.160 the boomers, will not be here forever. So if it ever were true that, well, the reason why we're 0.99

00:34:49.540 going to be very, very, very, very intentional not to be anti-Semitic, and not only will you

00:34:56.100 avoid certain criticisms of Jewish people or Israel or Netanyahu, but we're actually going

00:35:01.820 to go the opposite direction, and we're going to virtue signal on a regular basis through a blog

00:35:07.640 or through a video or through a sermon or a tweet or whatever, that we're actually affectionate,

00:35:12.220 that's a word that was used, affectionate toward Israel. We're going to do this because we can't

00:35:17.840 win. We cannot establish Christian nationalism here in America without the GOP, and we will

00:35:23.560 never win a GOP election without the boomers. And the boomers are, for better or worse, and it is 1.00

00:35:31.040 for worse, insufferable, diehard, never-relenting, dispensational Zionist Christians. But what you 0.98

00:35:38.080 get with that is number one, a short-sighted strategy because the boomers will be eventually 1.00

00:35:42.980 gone. That will no longer be a voting block. And you will have essentially persuaded all the 0.99

00:35:49.200 younger GOP voters, all the younger conservatives in the nation to despise you. You will have

00:35:54.040 exasperated every single one of your sons to whether they'll no longer trust you. And then

00:36:00.320 number two, even if the boomers did hang on forever and they start harvesting organs and 0.93

00:36:05.780 build a base on the moon and somehow, you know, attain transhumanism and upload their consciousness 0.94

00:36:11.900 to the cloud and keep voting, which I think the boomers, if they could, they would try to achieve 0.52

00:36:16.120 that. I think they're actively trying to achieve that even now. Even if those things happen, 0.52

00:36:19.960 here's the deal. You still don't win because you don't get Christian nationalism. You get Judeo 0.64

00:36:25.040 Christian nationalism. And what fellowship does light have with darkness? What fellowship 0.78

00:36:29.880 does Christ have with Beelzebul? I don't want, I'm not interested in Judeo-Christian nationalism. 1.00

00:36:36.220 I'll take the Christian, hold the Judeo, please, and thank you. That's not what we're trying to do. 0.92

00:36:42.860 But that is very clearly, I don't think he's being deceitful. I think he's just dead wrong. That's

00:36:48.180 very clearly the motivation for Douglas Wilson, and I think it represents a large contingency

00:36:53.380 of Christians on the political right side of the aisle here in America, that many of them

00:36:58.960 are convinced that Israel is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and we absolutely need them,

00:37:04.820 and it's a two-way relationship, or the best of them. And I do think that Douglas Wilson,

00:37:08.660 in many cases, represents the best of them, but that's part of what makes him harmful,

00:37:13.400 is that whenever alleged anti-Semitism is on the rise, on the right side of the aisle, 0.86

00:37:20.760 with Republican voters, conservative Christians, then they trot out the best of the Zionists,

00:37:26.360 who, in a technical theological sense, can wave the car and say, well, I'm not actually a Zionist. 0.60

00:37:31.280 I actually hold to covenant theology. But also, Israel's really great, and we need to be really

00:37:35.940 kind to the Zionists because that's the voting bloc. We'll never win an election without the 0.98

00:37:39.820 Jews. And this trope, tired trope, just keeps being drug out again and again and again. And 0.98

00:37:47.020 I'm tired of it, and I really appreciate the fact that it seems as though Tucker Carlson,

00:37:51.320 with a large, significant influence

00:37:54.560 appears to be tired of it as well.

00:37:57.160 That's why you heard in that first clip

00:37:58.900 Tucker talking about these sponsored trips to Israel.

00:38:01.720 So the individual who typically runs them

00:38:03.220 is a man named Yoram Hazoni.

00:38:04.700 He's the president of the Herzl Institute.

00:38:06.860 If you remember the godfather of Zionism,

00:38:09.360 it was Theodore Herzl. 0.91

00:38:10.820 So this Herzl Institute, part of their goal

00:38:13.640 is to bring in young, influential men, women,

00:38:17.840 on the right, and take them on a trip to Israel.

00:38:20.080 And the way these trips work, it's an example like a bribe.

00:38:23.600 With a bribe, it's very, very infrequently, someone takes a check with $100,000,

00:38:28.520 slides it across the table, and says, here's what you have to do for the bribe. 0.83

00:38:32.220 So in the same way with these trips, Yoram Hazoni, he'll say to Christians,

00:38:36.220 we would love to have you come out to Israel, and don't you want to see the sites where Jesus walked?

00:38:40.720 Don't you want to see the tomb where he lay?

00:38:42.940 Don't you want to see the Jordan River?

00:38:44.920 And there really are truly no strings attached in a documented, explicit sense. 1.00

00:38:49.820 Come out to Israel.

00:38:50.800 We would love to have you.

00:38:52.580 But they sponsor these young, influential individuals on the right.

00:38:56.780 They take them on these sponsored trips.

00:38:58.500 And what are you prone to do?

00:38:59.620 What is human psychology tuned to when someone does you a favor,

00:39:02.980 when someone gives you thousands of dollars of plane tickets,

00:39:05.540 when someone helps you to walk historic sites that you would have never been able to walk before,

00:39:10.140 and they take you on a tour of the cities and the IDF and everything else going on there?

00:39:14.740 You are inclined psychologically.

00:39:16.660 It's not an ironclad law that you will do this.

00:39:18.860 you're inclined to go back and to sing their praises to come back and say well we saw

00:39:23.660 what is really propaganda we saw great things you're going to come back and say positive things

00:39:29.140 or at minimum you're going to come back and if you don't have anything nice to say about israel

00:39:33.240 you'll say nothing at all so you at least cease saying negative things you at least stop

00:39:38.220 counter-signaling stop criticizing and again you're so right because we want to be clear with

00:39:43.080 this because we know we know these guys we know these guys so like we actually have some inside

00:39:48.100 baseball. We're not just speaking, you know, off the top of the dome. This is something that we

00:39:52.060 have verified, and we're going to be really careful in terms of names and those kinds of things.

00:39:56.260 But the point is, we actually know how it works. And because we know how it works,

00:39:59.880 we don't want to be unhinged and say something that's categorically untrue.

00:40:03.980 So let the record state, these are not guys who are going on a trip to Israel and, you know,

00:40:09.060 a literal check being slid across the table. They're not being paid in that sense, but it is

00:40:14.940 an all expense paid trip a sponsored trip with flights with a nice hotel with your meals and

00:40:19.760 those kinds of things and you get to go around and see the holy sites and that's how it's you 0.57

00:40:23.400 know pitched it's like hey look we're not trying to make you a jew that's absurd we you know uh we

00:40:27.540 you're a christian we respect you're a christian and we respect that and israel is a friend of

00:40:31.980 christians and we just want you to come see for yourself and if nothing else get a free trip to

00:40:36.660 go to israel and see the the places the streets where jesus walked wouldn't that be lovely that

00:40:41.140 is the pitch that is the pitch and it's a really good pitch and so then you go and you make some

00:40:44.900 friendships. And maybe you find yourself, you know, on a Tuesday morning down the lobby and

00:40:49.440 you're talking to your Amazonie, you know, about how threatening and dangerous and concerning Joel

00:40:54.480 Webin is, you know, maybe you're one of those Christians, you know, and you're having that 0.94

00:40:58.560 kind of conversation and somebody else who's on the trip comes and informs me about it so that

00:41:03.140 it's not just conjecture, but we actually know this for a fact. And then you come back. And when

00:41:07.280 you come back again, it's not like you get something wired to your bank account. You know,

00:41:12.360 it's not like the deed to your house is, is, is magically paid for, but you, you were just

00:41:17.340 wined and dined, right? You were just schmoozed a little bit. You were treated really, really well.

00:41:22.300 And, and it's not said out loud. It's certainly not said in written form anywhere where there

00:41:27.820 would be, um, you know, a paper trail, but, but the unspoken understanding is, um, that I was

00:41:34.880 just treated really well. And so I should play ball and return the favor by not saying negative

00:41:39.260 things and maybe even from time to time a little retweet there a little positive comment in defense

00:41:43.700 over here and if i do that then it's not promised it's not a formal agreement but there's a fairly

00:41:51.540 high likelihood that you know and i'm sure it's not correlated at all there's no connection but

00:41:55.800 just coincidentally i might find myself doing a breakout session at the next nat con conference

00:42:01.160 which is in jerusalem this year which is in jerusalem this year right which we get to go back

00:42:05.120 on the trip again and this is what is happening we know that this is what is happening and here's

00:42:10.700 the deal it i think that honesty is important and just simply being honest and saying you know why

00:42:17.960 is there a break in certain relationships guys who were doing ministry together just two years ago

00:42:23.120 guys who were speaking at the same conference you know even one year ago why does there seem to be

00:42:28.140 this relational rift all of a sudden um maybe it's because some of those guys just started you know

00:42:34.680 drinking the Kool-Aid and gave in. They just became unhinged and became crazy anti-Semites. 0.99

00:42:40.680 It must be Joel. Joel's the one. He is the reason for the division. Or it also could be that 0.99

00:42:46.680 I'm going to call balls and strikes. I'm going to call it like I see it. I don't think that Judaism

00:42:52.700 is a friend of Christianity. I don't think that Jewish influence is positive for my nation. 1.00

00:42:57.380 and and I'm not going to take the trip I'm not going to take the the whining and dining and 1.00

00:43:05.340 and other guys are and I continue to say things as I see it those other guys can no longer join

00:43:10.540 me in this but are even tempted to subtweet maybe it's a little less obvious a little less direct

00:43:15.940 but but in a in a indirect kind of way a subtweet of Joel here a subtweet of Joel there knowing

00:43:22.800 good and well that again not written down again not a formal deal but if they play their cards

00:43:29.640 right and they're good little boys and girls they might get an invitation to a fairly significant

00:43:35.860 and influential organization a conference natcon it's an objective statement of fact after doug

00:43:41.540 wilson made his break with ogden and with georgetown within that next year it was daily

00:43:46.080 wire it was tp usa and it was natcon as an objective statement once he broke out of the

00:43:50.720 reformed world and broke especially from these young ministers that next year was full of very

00:43:55.140 high profile interviews and appearances and it's perfectly valid to say okay we see you you made

00:44:00.840 this transition this shift this change or maybe it was always there but you just became more

00:44:04.200 explicit about it and it seems that you really got the inside track where did this come from

00:44:09.120 did someone what was given what was promised in return it's perfectly valid when someone changes

00:44:14.000 their position breaks relationships to say was there money involved was their status involved

00:44:18.600 Was there power involved?

00:44:19.840 That is very reasonable to ask.

00:44:21.600 And like I said, this is objective.

00:44:22.980 You can pull the videos up of the talks.

00:44:24.920 And these talks where he's saying things like Catholics, Jews, and Protestants made America.

00:44:29.480 Well, there's less than 50,000 Jews in America pretty much until the 1900s.

00:44:33.020 So wait, that doesn't add up.

00:44:34.100 Why are you repeating these lines?

00:44:35.400 Why are you talking about the USS Liberty, a well-documented event where Israeli aircraft attacked a U.S. carrier, claimed it was a big mistake,

00:44:43.020 hundreds of United States service members injured, over 30 of them died.

00:44:46.880 You're kind of brushing it off.

00:44:48.500 oh, I'm just asking questions about it.

00:44:50.280 We see these transitions.

00:44:52.020 It is perfectly valid to say,

00:44:53.360 where is this coming from?

00:44:54.380 This doesn't seem organic.

00:44:55.320 Yeah, and I would just add to that.

00:44:57.480 Even if we grant in charity

00:44:59.340 that this is a genuinely held conviction,

00:45:02.520 there's still a question of like,

00:45:04.460 why does that conviction specifically

00:45:06.660 mean that you assent?

00:45:09.080 Like why are there,

00:45:10.160 there's like certain positions

00:45:11.340 that are blacklisted

00:45:12.160 and mean that you're not going to get the big show.

00:45:13.980 You're not going to get the,

00:45:15.040 you know, the sit down interview

00:45:17.080 with the Wall Street Journal.

00:45:18.500 But then there's this view, which even if you genuinely hold it, which I believe Wilson does, it does lead to all of these things.

00:45:28.100 And so that's a question that remains, even if you grant that it's not necessarily quid pro quo, right?

00:45:34.940 It's, hey, I went to Israel, and I already had these convictions, and basically this trip just confirmed everything that I thought.

00:45:40.800 And by the way, I'm sure Israel's very pleasant.

00:45:43.120 I'm sure there are a lot of great places to visit.

00:45:45.360 I would love to visit the area.

00:45:46.620 I'm sure people are very kind.

00:45:47.400 But I'd be very clear who brought me.

00:45:49.300 Someday, Lord willing, we'll visit Israel.

00:45:51.160 It'll be a Christian nation again, and I would love to see where Jesus lived and walked, 0.98

00:45:55.300 where Joshua crossed the Jordan, but I'd be very clear, hey, here's who paid for the

00:45:59.000 ticket to be here.

00:46:00.860 Well said.

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00:49:12.780 Next.

00:49:13.420 I think that's pretty much it.

00:49:14.680 That's the summary.

00:49:15.720 Israel, Israel, Israel. 0.87

00:49:17.180 And then with that, Jews, Jews, Jews, the bears, the Jews.

00:49:21.560 Like those are the topics that people are presciently concerned about.

00:49:25.440 These are the things that people are thinking about.

00:49:27.660 And one of the things with Doug Wilson, in times past on issues like patriarchy,

00:49:30.960 he was a really clear thinker speaker and very very helpful on them and then you come to this

00:49:36.500 issue and even just you watch the tucker interview and in the first two minutes where he frames the

00:49:40.900 discussion which for the record if you have to kind of take a couple minutes to frame the discussion

00:49:45.320 it means you probably lost the discussion but even there you can see he he doesn't have the

00:49:49.800 sharpness he doesn't have the clarity he's using these very twisted elaborate metaphors that i

00:49:55.060 literally remember listening to it and thinking what is he getting at and so if the other side

00:50:00.000 continues to have bad exegesis, exegeting Genesis as referring to the literal physical nation rather

00:50:06.760 than the descendants of Abraham, which are those who have faith in Christ, like Ted Cruz did. Or

00:50:11.120 Mike Huckabee saying that, well, Israel has the right to all this land that includes tons of U.S.

00:50:15.200 allies that we have agreements with. Bad exegesis like that. And twisted labyrinth metaphors like

00:50:20.720 we have to partner with these people. If that continues to be your MO, if that continues to be

00:50:24.760 the message you push. You deserve to lose. Get some better arguments. Right now, the reason we

00:50:30.280 are growing, by God's grace, we are making better arguments. They're shorter. They're clearer. They're

00:50:35.200 intuitive. They make sense. We're honest. We're transparent. Hey, here's these people,

00:50:41.740 and they're being paid money for this. They're being rewarded with trips. They're being rewarded

00:50:45.200 with speaking circuits. They're not being transparent. That's why we're winning. Our

00:50:49.320 message, our argument, and our character. And they have the impetus as they continue to backpedal,

00:50:55.440 play off their back foot, try to regain ground to do the same. Thanks for tuning in. We appreciate

00:51:00.420 you guys so much. We'll see you again soon. It's Monday. We will be back on Wednesday at 12 p.m.

00:51:05.480 Eastern time. God bless.

00:51:19.320 We'll see you next time.

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The NXR Podcast - February 23, 2026

NXR Livestream - Tucker Carlson, Mike Huckabee, & Doug Wilson

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