The NXR Podcast - NXR Livestream - White Nationalism Vs. Christian Nationalism (w⧸ Jared Taylor)

00:00:00.000 Welcome back to NXR Live. We have an incredibly important and profound episode for you today,

00:00:06.800 an interview with Jared Taylor. We are talking about white genocide. We are also going to be

00:00:13.560 comparing and contrasting his view of a white nationalism versus my view of Christian nationalism

00:00:21.340 and where these two views, in the case of our country, these United States of America, may

00:00:26.620 overlap, and some of the distinctions, and which view is stronger, which view is more viable. This

00:00:34.260 is arguably one of the more important episodes that we have produced as of late. We are getting

00:00:41.280 into some of the most crucial, significant crises of our current day. We talk about the steep

00:00:50.360 decline in the overall global white population, what that means for the Christian faith and what

00:00:56.960 that means for the world. This is incredibly important. We hope that you are blessed and

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00:01:47.900 tune in now at the foot of mount sinai a nation met its god in thunder and fire

00:01:56.100 from that covenant flowed the faith of abraham moses and the prophets fulfilled not replaced

00:02:04.800 in christ but somewhere between the martyrs and the modern west the truth was blurred

00:02:13.080 Politicians and pastors began speaking of a Judeo-Christian civilization,

00:02:19.800 a phrase born not of Sinai, but in Washington,

00:02:24.580 tracing its roots not to Moses, but to the Pharisees.

00:02:28.680 The hyphenated heresy challenges the myth of the hyphen,

00:02:33.900 tracing how it reshaped Christian identity,

00:02:36.400 redefine the church's witness

00:02:38.600 and bound modern faith

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00:02:46.640 Radical Christian

00:02:52.800 nationalist pastor,

00:02:54.520 Joel Webben.

00:02:55.100 Joel Webben.

00:02:56.460 I'm going to talk about Joel Webben.

00:02:58.480 Joel Webben is an accident.

00:03:06.400 Today, I am joined by Jared Taylor, and we are going to be talking about the plight of 0.69

00:03:26.220 white peoples. White people, it seems as though, have dropped significantly in the global population,

00:03:32.500 and in the coming decades it seems as though that will continue and it's plausible, it's conceivable 0.98

00:03:40.880 that white people could go extinct altogether. So I want to start the conversation by simply 0.79

00:03:47.220 posing this question to Jared Taylor. Would you define the plight of white peoples today

00:03:53.360 as a genocide? Is it fair to say that there is a white genocide underway and if not, why not?

00:04:02.500 Genocide, of course, requires the express intention of someone to eliminate a people. 0.62

00:04:10.000 And I honestly don't think that there are very many people who take this view towards whites.

00:04:15.520 There may be some who would be delighted to see us disappear, but I think that would be a small minority.

00:04:21.160 We are dwindling in numbers, no question about that. 1.00

00:04:24.200 Our habitat, so to speak, is diminishing as more and more non-whites pour into white societies. 1.00

00:04:30.000 and to the extent that interracial marriage is being promoted relentlessly really you can hardly 0.98

00:04:37.040 look at a television advertisement these days without a mixed race couple with mixed race 0.80

00:04:41.920 babies all of this certainly encourages miscegenation which will eliminate whites 1.00

00:04:48.380 strictly through genetic swamping so yes more and more non-whites are pouring into white countries 0.98

00:04:55.360 we are not reproducing ourselves, and we don't have the will to say, no, this is for us. You 0.99

00:05:00.160 have to stay where you are. So we are certainly on the way towards long-term extinction. I agree

00:05:06.260 100% with that. But to me, white replacement is something that is almost a natural phenomenon 1.00

00:05:14.340 unless you work deliberately to oppose it. And the reason is white people have built these 0.95

00:05:20.060 wonderful societies, the best societies in the history of the world, and people from failed 0.93

00:05:25.800 societies who could never build something like Europe or the United States. It's entirely 0.98

00:05:31.240 understandable that they want to push their way into our societies and benefit from what our

00:05:36.880 ancestors did. There's this kind of push that's relentless. And I would argue that if the East

00:05:43.860 Asian countries. East Asians have also built very successful societies. If they let them,

00:05:50.240 Southeast Asians, Africans, Muslims, they'd want to be piling into those countries too,

00:05:55.100 because they could live better in those countries. So the push is there, but at least the East Asians 1.00

00:06:00.380 have the backbone and the loyalty to their own society to say, no, no, you ain't coming in. 1.00

00:06:06.320 You can't browbeat the Chinese into letting in a bunch of Pakistanis. No, no, sir. They're not 1.00

00:06:12.400 interested they wouldn't let it happen so yes the prospect of ultimate extinction is definitely i 0.92

00:06:19.660 think a realistic one for whites but and i think in the technical definition of genocide you could

00:06:26.920 argue that white people are in perhaps the first stage of the many stages of genocide but i don't

00:06:33.600 like to use that word because for most people the idea is people knocking on your door with machetes 0.99

00:06:38.700 or machine guns or whatever it is and trying to kill you.

00:06:41.300 That's not happening.

00:06:42.200 And even in a global sense, although I think a lot of people

00:06:46.120 or maybe a certain number of people would be happy to see us disappear,

00:06:49.460 I don't believe that they're in charge arranging it 1.00

00:06:53.520 for all of these non-whites to push their way into our country. 1.00

00:06:56.960 I think that's more unnatural than an engineered phenomenon. 1.00

00:07:00.500 Now, you could argue that our lack of resistance to it

00:07:03.960 is unnatural and engineered,

00:07:05.580 but that's something of a different of a different angle looking at it yeah that's well said i i

00:07:10.880 agree with you um and it's helpful you know to not have to attribute to other people's malice

00:07:18.700 if uh if we're not certain of that because that's quite a charge um it has to substantiate yes it is

00:07:24.600 and and it really does like i i do have sympathy in the sense that okay the whole world wants to

00:07:30.900 live in my country. And if I was living in anywhere else, I would very likely feel the same

00:07:37.440 way that it's, it's the, the moral obligation is not on the rest of the world to suppress their

00:07:43.820 own desires and the betterment for their children out of, you know, some kind of disposition and

00:07:49.100 favor towards whites. The moral obligation is on white people to actually have a fidelity, 0.79

00:07:57.340 you know in christian terms it's the auto amoris right the order of loves and it doesn't require 0.59

00:08:03.860 that you hate anyone it simply requires that if you are to truly love anyone at all those loves

00:08:10.260 have to be prioritized it's it's easy and you know for the liberal to uh to claim to love everyone

00:08:17.060 and to love everyone equally because what that essentially accomplishes is that by loving

00:08:22.240 everyone equally, they're not really required to love anyone specifically. No one in practical

00:08:29.220 terms. Go ahead. I agree 100%. And I think that's well said. The moral obligation is not

00:08:34.480 on third worlders to say, well, you know, these white people are happy where they are. We should

00:08:39.840 not try to join them. No, it's perfectly understandable that they should want to live

00:08:44.440 with us. And in fact, I would imagine that when a Guatemalan staggers across the border and 1.00

00:08:50.040 discovers that he can be the beneficiary of affirmative action, racial preferences. As soon 0.94

00:08:55.340 as he sets foot in the United States, he's going to think, wow, boy, did I make the right decision?

00:09:00.620 Maybe tomorrow it's going to rain beer. I live in a miraculous country now. So no, it is our fault

00:09:07.340 to have let this happen. So in that respect, again, although you could describe the eventual

00:09:13.720 fate of whites as that which we could expect from genocide, I prefer not to call it genocide

00:09:20.640 because that imputes a motivation. Yeah, I think that's fair. So then I feel like the next question 0.98

00:09:26.280 that it raises is, why are white peoples so uniquely susceptible and vulnerable towards,

00:09:35.360 if not engineering, that might be too strong of a term, certainly for the masses, that might

00:09:40.780 describe a few yes but for the masses maybe not engineering but at least agreeing subconsciously

00:09:47.440 agreeing to our own societal suicide what is it about white people because i don't i look at the

00:09:53.600 rest of the world and that's that's just not the the the conception that i have like you already

00:09:58.740 said like japan is not like that the chinese are not like that i don't even feel like certain

00:10:03.960 country i don't feel like uganda is like that or ghanians are like that it's it seems to be

00:10:09.360 unique to europeans americans uh what so what is it about white people that makes us so uniquely

00:10:16.120 vulnerable to this suicidal toxic empathy mindset i've thought about that for a long time and i

00:10:24.660 have a lot of theories about it not even together are they satisfactory because whatever theories i

00:10:33.600 might lay out to you today. A hundred years ago, white people were not this way. We have been

00:10:40.720 conscious of race for hundreds of years. We've been Christians, in some cases, for a thousand

00:10:47.940 years. We have made war. We have made peace. All of the things that human beings do, we've been 0.94

00:10:53.980 doing for a very long time, but only in the last maybe century, maybe not even a century. We have

00:11:01.340 somehow been so completely denatured that we have stopped exercising the completely normal

00:11:08.120 instincts that we find operating in all human populations everywhere. Why? Why has that happened?

00:11:15.220 I think that the two world wars were a devastating thing psychologically. They killed off a great

00:11:23.120 many of the best of white men. And certainly the First World War left people thinking, my gosh,

00:11:30.240 What kind of people are we to have stumbled into this unprecedented slaughter,

00:11:36.420 this self-examination, a critical, scathing self-examination that took place after what

00:11:41.540 they call the Great War? That was a very demoralizing time. And then what happens?

00:11:45.920 What is it, 21 years later, we do it again? I think those two events were devastating

00:11:51.920 psychologically to whites. Also, when you think about what are the hallmarks of Western civilization, 0.74

00:12:01.260 what makes us different from every other race, I think there's a kind of consideration of the

00:12:07.160 interests of others. If you talk about one man, one vote, that means I may be much stronger,

00:12:14.360 richer, smarter, better than you, but theoretically, I have no more political power than you.

00:12:21.920 also the idea of freedom of speech i may be in a position to crush you but i'm not allowed to do

00:12:28.760 that because what you have to say is potentially just as valuable as what i have to say

00:12:33.480 these are alien concepts in any other society respect for women in most most non-white societies

00:12:42.640 women are essentially sex servants beast of burden in i remember traditional japanese thinking the

00:12:49.920 status of a woman was somewhere between that of a man and a bird, maybe. And so this, again, 0.98

00:12:59.040 is a respect for others. Women have rights. People who are weaker than we are have rights. 1.00

00:13:06.900 The whole idea of caring for the planet, other species, this is very much a Western European

00:13:12.620 kind of concept. Not only do human beings have rights, other human beings that may be weaker,

00:13:18.160 the opposite sex. They have rights, but unborn people have rights. We have to care about them.

00:13:23.060 We have to care about the future of the planet. We have to care about other species. The Japanese,

00:13:28.120 who I'm picking on today, they're happy to eat the whales. We want to save the whales. 1.00

00:13:33.540 And so this idea of caring about the rights of others, caring about the rights of the unborn,

00:13:40.880 caring about the entire planet and other species, all of this is something that I believe is

00:13:46.260 uniquely european and this idea of caring recognizing that the other species the other

00:13:52.800 sex the other guy has a point of view this can be very easily perverted into thinking that

00:13:57.980 all of the other races they too have a point of view and it makes it easier for us to see these

00:14:05.700 people who were in war-torn syria and god well syria was a mess of a place and so angela merkel

00:14:12.580 She says, OK, I'm going to let in a million and a half Syrians, these young Syrian men, because they're suffering and we are nice to people.

00:14:21.500 They have a point of view. And at the same time, she was probably convinced that race is a social construct, that after, you know, a few years,

00:14:29.920 they'll be wearing lederhosen and drinking beer and they'll be just like good Germans and they'll pay for their Social Security and their retirement.

00:14:36.660 All of these things, I think, combine to make white people particularly vulnerable. 0.73

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00:17:47.880 I know you're aware of people who say, well, the problem is Christianity. All of this turn the

00:17:53.420 other cheek stuff. And in God, there is no man, no woman, no Jew, no Gentile, all of this stuff. 0.98

00:17:59.940 this opens us up to exploitation i don't i don't see it that way i don't think christianity as

00:18:05.860 a big problem because our racially conscious ancestors were i think in many respects much

00:18:13.380 more serious christians than people claim to be christians today my confederate ancestors they

00:18:18.420 had absolutely no illusions about race at all they did care very much about the salvation of

00:18:24.260 the souls of their slaves they stonewall jackson famously left a lot of money in his will for

00:18:32.340 building sunday schools and churches for black people because they were human beings and they

00:18:37.060 deserved salvation but that didn't mean that they were our equals socially that we should intermarry

00:18:42.580 with them so all of this this perversion of christianity into the rainbow flag and black 0.96

00:18:49.940 lives matter and there's no hate here kind of stuff that to me is a kind of perversion of

00:18:56.020 christianity just as every other institution the united states the media the universities

00:19:02.100 corporate interests all of this has been has been perverted in a way that ultimately disarms us 0.91

00:19:08.900 in the face of non-whites who have pretty sharp elbows when it comes to pushing their way into 0.95

00:19:16.100 our societies i'm glad to hear you say that um because you know as a christian um that's you

00:19:22.280 know that's precisely what i would say i don't think that christianity is to blame um no if it

00:19:26.720 was it's difficult to make sense of christian history you know you think of um i think of the

00:19:32.960 crusades you know and yes and i mean they're just example after example after example of

00:19:38.760 uh, latter centuries and, uh, or former centuries and, you know, great Christian men who, um, had

00:19:46.700 a spine and they had integrity and they weren't cruel or heartless, but yet at the same time,

00:19:52.520 they understood the distinction between peoples. This is ours. This is yours. If you come over

00:19:58.480 here, we're going to fight. Um, we're not going to allow it. And, uh, so, but, but somewhere along

00:20:05.380 the line you know we've we've demonized uh the south the confederates and uh we've demonized

00:20:12.240 the crusades we've you know we've taken all those aspects of our christian history and european

00:20:18.620 history and and rewritten the story to where these are just held as universal evils um that

00:20:26.180 they're abhorrent but you don't really see that coming into play um and until like you said that

00:20:32.220 I feel like after the first two world wars that, you know, you're probably familiar with the concept or the phrase post-war consensus.

00:20:41.780 It's like, why can the West not have nice things?

00:20:44.000 Well, because of the Austrian painter and this never again mentality.

00:20:48.660 And that's not to say, you know, I'm not a Hitler apologist.

00:20:51.860 You know, that's not to say that he was, you know, did wonderful things and that he did no wrong. 0.58

00:20:57.640 but it is to say that there are a lot of atrocious stories throughout antiquity and but none of them

00:21:05.920 are treated quite the same way um as no as hitler and um there are other people who killed more

00:21:12.780 there are other people who did more um and yet he's this singular figure of and never again it's

00:21:20.500 not just never again should we you know um commit a holocaust or this or that it's it's never again

00:21:26.820 should we be dogmatic? Never again should we have any sense of being authoritarian? Never again

00:21:32.460 should we really even have a sense of affection for our own peoples? The never again mentality

00:21:40.760 that we've kind of sat under for the last 80 years is basically a full embrace of egalitarianism,

00:21:49.200 of inclusion, of relativism when it comes to truth claims that no one can be too sure,

00:21:55.380 no one can be too dogmatic and here we are and i can't help but think because there's again there's

00:22:01.620 plenty of atrocities throughout history and so when i look at that one and i look at the way 0.85

00:22:06.480 that it's been weaponized i call it holocaustianity um it's it's what you believe about the holocaust

00:22:13.460 in historical terms is um that that's fine that's up for debate some go with the mainline consensus

00:22:19.040 I would probably be somewhere more in the Pat Buchanan camp on World War II history,

00:22:26.360 but separating the Holocaust from holocaustianity. 0.74

00:22:31.480 What I'm trying to say is that, to me, what's unique is that that particular historic event 0.78

00:22:37.460 has been not just weaponized, but it's been made to be religious.

00:22:42.380 It carries religious fervor, religious commitment, religious zeal.

00:22:49.040 And I don't think that that just happens.

00:22:51.920 So that's where I feel like, well, someone engineered this.

00:22:56.520 Well, that's certainly true. 0.99

00:22:58.520 And I think you can make a convincing argument that Jews have been particularly busy in trying to make the Holocaust a central element of the way we are supposed to view history.

00:23:11.520 That doesn't mean that Gentiles had to go along with that.

00:23:18.120 We could have shrugged that off. But even people who are not Jewish, people of goodwill,

00:23:27.080 not necessarily influenced by that kind of thinking to a great degree, they looked at that

00:23:33.320 colossal slaughter. And they said, well, how did this start? This started, this came from

00:23:39.420 nationalism. This came from Germans or Frenchmen or Italians or British thinking that they had

00:23:46.480 something so important that it was worth slaughtering as many people as possible to preserve 0.79

00:23:50.980 that or to expand that and this kind of nationalism this kind of sense of us versus them and in the 0.99

00:23:57.520 case of the germans of a kind of racial folkish purity this brought about this horrible slaughter 0.90

00:24:04.540 so we have to stop that any way we can and you can look at the origins of the european union 0.99

00:24:11.380 that was very much an attempt to try to tie Europe together specifically France

00:24:19.260 and Germany started with the European coal and steel community trying to get

00:24:24.460 the coal and steel industries to work together in a way that made the

00:24:28.360 economies dependent on each other the idea being if our economies are

00:24:31.920 dependent we won't make war then this became the European common market and

00:24:37.120 now the European Union, and the idea that we're going to have one European government.

00:24:41.600 So we just will never, ever again have one of these fratricidal wars.

00:24:45.680 This is something that I think came from a sense of, my God, we made a terrible mistake.

00:24:51.540 We must never let this happen again.

00:24:53.200 But this has, of course, been manipulated into the point of saying that, well,

00:24:58.040 if nationalism is the kind that produced the Second World War,

00:25:01.480 uh if if that is a bad thing then any kind of nationalism any kind of national consciousness

00:25:08.600 any sense of us versus them watch out that could always lead to another blitzkrieg i think all of

00:25:16.820 these things have worked together in a way that has reduced millions of white people into this

00:25:22.260 capitulationist state of mind no question about it right i agree um so let's let's shift gears a

00:25:29.620 bit and talk about potential solutions what are what are some of your solutions and i know that

00:25:34.740 you have some questions for me in terms of my world view on the matter well for me the solution 0.55

00:25:41.860 for potential white extinction is simply for white people to regain a sense of peoplehood 0.60

00:25:49.380 and they have to shake off this idea that people thinking in terms of our interests and preserving

00:25:56.660 our interest is somehow wrong. And only if we can do this, will we have the courage to say to those

00:26:04.860 who wish to live amongst us, marry amongst us, to say to them, no, this is for us. This is not for

00:26:12.860 you. I think white people, because of the things I described earlier, this real concern for the

00:26:20.240 views of outsiders, for those we consider downtrodden, the weak. It's terribly hard for

00:26:26.480 white people to see people who are coming across the border in rags, so to speak, psychologically, 0.85

00:26:32.380 and say, nope, nope, nope, nope. This is a nice place. We live in a nice place. You live in a 0.98

00:26:37.220 terrible place, but you have to stay where you are. It's very hard. I remember attending a

00:26:44.140 conference with richard lynn he was a great scholar of race differences in iq which of course 0.99

00:26:51.000 we're not supposed to talk about either because that might explain the failures of non-whites

00:26:57.060 in terms other than our wickedness we're supposed to be wicked and that causes that but

00:27:01.780 he says surely we are the only people who might disappear simply because we're too nice

00:27:07.460 That's putting it in very simple terms, but as a practical matter, that's what it is.

00:27:14.140 I marveled at the tens of thousands of people thronging the streets of Minneapolis, I guess

00:27:21.360 I think it was just last Friday, demonstrating against ICE.

00:27:26.140 They are opposed to arresting illegal immigrants, even if they're convicted felons.

00:27:33.220 Where does this even come from?

00:27:34.760 comes from some kind of utterly capitulationist mentality and to call ice the gestapo that again

00:27:43.880 is an example of what you talked about this holocaustianity did you call it that that's 0.60

00:27:50.140 not a phrase that i would use but the idea that consummate evil can be embodied in that one regime 0.89

00:27:58.540 and those totemic names that we associate with that regime how to cure this how to cure this 0.89

00:28:05.760 now in my view well i've devoted the last 35 years of my life to trying to explain to white people

00:28:16.140 what is at stake and to try to convince them that our survival is a moral thing a necessary thing

00:28:23.880 and to try to get them to completely get over this idea

00:28:29.440 that somehow the necessary steps for us

00:28:32.880 to preserve our peoplehood, our culture,

00:28:35.480 our mere survival are somehow wrong.

00:28:38.580 This is something that has sunk deep, deep 0.69

00:28:41.400 into the brains of certainly white people of my generation.

00:28:45.680 But I'm delighted to see that so many young people,

00:28:49.320 they're not susceptible to this at all,

00:28:51.660 or they are far less susceptible.

00:28:53.460 And it may require that my generation essentially die off before your generation and the ones following that can regain some kind of sensible control over their morality, over the kind of morality that's necessary for them to ensure their own survival.

00:29:10.360 I agree. 0.89

00:29:11.660 Yeah, it seems as though, one, getting over white guilt is what I hear you saying. 0.61

00:29:15.860 So in terms of solutions, one is to get over white guilt.

00:29:18.460 And that's where I think that, you know, Christianity is paramount, because at the end of the day, Christianity actually does present a solution to the problem of guilt. 0.61

00:29:28.380 And the solution is atonement.

00:29:32.100 The solution is forgiveness and not just forgiving others, but being able to rest in the forgiveness that God has offered to you so that you don't just have to dot every I and cross every T.

00:29:44.060 and you know everyone doesn't have to be a historian and be able to articulate why the

00:29:49.020 crusades were justified or why this was justified or colonialism you know this that and the other

00:29:54.020 but you can actually one history is vital so we do need people who are just simply more literate

00:29:59.660 in in terms of white people's actual um actual origins and and history and these things but

00:30:05.940 in addition to that to be able to say okay well even where white people have erred because white

00:30:11.240 people are not perfect and nobody has to land on that conclusion, you can still be able to rest in

00:30:17.220 the grace of God. Like I see the abandonment, like what you articulated, the abandonment

00:30:21.520 and apostasy of white nations towards the Lord Jesus Christ coinciding. It's not as though

00:30:28.480 the West is abandoning Christianity and becoming more racially conscious, right? That's not the

00:30:34.480 correlation it's we're abandoning um the the the faith the christian faith which is um a religion

00:30:41.880 of grace and and uh the absolvement of guilt and as we're abandoning um this religion of grace

00:30:50.020 we're becoming increasingly not less so but more so a guilty people and and more easily exploited

00:30:57.320 more easy. So I see Christianity as a significant potential solution, but it has to be 0.99

00:31:04.800 the historic faith. It has to be real Christianity and not a modern perversion. 0.50

00:31:10.820 Well, it's certainly true that in opposition to the people who say that Christianity is the

00:31:17.820 problem of white people, that that has weakened us, made us susceptible to all kinds of manipulation

00:31:23.040 exploitation the fact that as we become less christian we seem to become more manipulable

00:31:30.000 more susceptible to this exploitation but i am curious you would call yourself a christian

00:31:35.280 nationalist am i correct yes sir yes uh and if you don't mind i'd be curious to know what

00:31:41.040 the implications of that are uh would i gather you would take the position that people should

00:31:47.680 serve in elective office, or at least in offices of some kind of control or dominance, only if

00:31:53.200 they are Christian in your ideal state. Is that correct? Yes, sir. Yeah, I'd have a few different 0.97

00:31:58.560 criteria for elected office, but also even for voting citizens. So I don't think it could just,

00:32:06.740 you know, necessarily requires a black and white category of you're not a citizen at all,

00:32:10.660 you have zero provisions, and or you're a citizen. So I would, I think there could be tiers. But in

00:32:15.900 terms of like a full citizenship with voting rights, I would, um, I would not only want

00:32:21.540 Christians, um, those who have made a profession of faith, uh, as a requirement for office,

00:32:27.060 but even a requirement for voting. So I w I would see it as you would need to be, um, you would

00:32:32.220 need to be third generation, have a stake in America's past and the nation's past. So third 0.98

00:32:37.040 generation on both sides of the family, um, in, uh, in order to vote or hold electoral office

00:32:44.740 in addition to that uh you would have to be an adult male in addition to that you would also have

00:32:50.320 a male no no women voting yes sir uh and we can and we'll come back to that um but uh in addition

00:32:56.180 to that uh obviously an upstanding citizen without um a crime record criminal record uh in addition

00:33:02.080 to that a net positive tax paying citizen uh not a drain financially on society there would be you

00:33:08.080 know articulated some exceptions like a veteran for instance maybe getting more benefits but

00:33:12.520 that that would be different but not certainly not someone who's simply um a part of the welfare

00:33:17.180 class right then and then lastly that uh that christian piece and then i would want to hold

00:33:23.800 even marriage and i would see marriage i wouldn't hold children um because you know that that can't

00:33:29.200 always be helped um biologically there are you know there are exceptions where people can't

00:33:33.240 conceive but i would i would root it in marriage third generation meaning you have a stake in the

00:33:38.640 past and marriage knowing that marriage ordinarily leads towards procreation you have a stake in the

00:33:45.460 future i want people who have a heritage in the past and a stake in the future and then also who

00:33:51.220 are heads of household i view that one of my arguments for that would simply be representative

00:33:55.420 government i think that a raw democracy number none of our founders had anything positive to say

00:34:00.880 about that but i do believe in republics and i believe in representative government and i think

00:34:06.320 that one of the problems um you know so you mentioned guilt and so i think the christian

00:34:10.820 gospel is very um necessary in overcoming guilt but i think another problem is being atomistic

00:34:17.460 um so so individualistic um that white people not only are they a guilty people not not necessarily

00:34:24.880 objectively but in terms of their perception but in addition to be being viewing themselves

00:34:30.620 as subjectively guilty. White people cannot, for whatever reason, cannot view themselves as a

00:34:38.180 collective. They tend to not be able to think of themselves as a group. And I think that democracy 0.91

00:34:44.520 is part of that problem. Our sacred democracy is the full separation. It boils down to the

00:34:51.680 individual. And I would say the basic building block of a nation, of a society, is not the

00:34:55.800 individual but the family and so just as i have you know representatives in local government in

00:35:01.820 my county and in my state and then at the federal level um i i don't just i don't get to go and sit

00:35:07.440 in the halls of congress and make decisions for myself somebody is elected and makes those

00:35:12.020 decisions for me and so by by requiring the male piece that he's he's married he's third generation

00:35:18.880 uh he's an upstanding citizen without a criminal record he's a net positive taxpayer what i'm

00:35:24.320 thinking in the sense of repealing the 19th amendment and holding the vote certainly office

00:35:29.760 but also a vote to male citizens is I'm viewing that in in the banner of representative government 0.72

00:35:36.380 it's not that the woman doesn't have a voice there's you know there's a view a voice she

00:35:41.940 speaks to her husband correct daughters are represented by fathers a widow even is represented

00:35:48.160 by her brother or by her uncle or by her father and and there would be some exceptions as we've

00:35:53.960 had in America's past where a widow could perhaps, uh, have control over an estate because she was

00:36:00.680 of great means. Her husband was an elite man and died an untimely death. And that's not going to

00:36:06.140 be stripped from her. So there were, there were always exceptions. Uh, even when, before we had

00:36:10.780 the 19th amendment, um, you know, the average woman, you know, uh, had less influence and less 0.99

00:36:17.160 power, but there was still, uh, whether formal or informal, there was still always an aristocracy 0.99

00:36:23.080 and the women of that class were very powerful, informally so. 0.60

00:36:29.420 Well, so largely you're going back to the Constitution as originally written. 0.58

00:36:33.760 You had to be a free white person, and you had to be a property owner, and you had to be a man. 0.51

00:36:40.840 What you're describing adds a few more details to that.

00:36:43.960 You can't have a criminal record.

00:36:45.380 You have to have been there for three generations.

00:36:46.920 in 1789. That would have been asking a lot for people who were voting in the first elections

00:36:52.500 in the United States. But you are returning to a kind of voter qualification that restricts

00:36:57.380 the franchise to a certain well-defined subset of the entire population. That concept is one

00:37:05.760 with which I 100% agree. Now, my essential question to you would be, is there a racial 0.85

00:37:11.680 component to that. So long as a black person or an Asian person fits those qualifications,

00:37:17.820 can they vote and can they serve in your Christian nationalist country? 0.87

00:37:22.060 That's a great question. And so I have, you know, just for the record, they're like with all things,

00:37:25.780 there's always a sliding scale and there's variance. And so there are, you know, there are

00:37:30.100 several individuals who are friends of mine who are, you know, would describe themselves as

00:37:34.140 Christian nationalists. And theologically, we'd have many of the same convictions. But politically

00:37:39.060 speaking, going back to not just electoral office, but for the vote, they would restrict

00:37:44.540 it to white men of good repute.

00:37:46.660 And they would root that in our heritage, our founding, you know, those documents and

00:37:50.740 not with any hatred in their heart towards, you know, non-whites or anything like that.

00:37:55.240 But they would just say, America is a white country. 0.80

00:37:58.060 It's certainly, it's heritage and history is a white country. 0.83

00:38:00.920 And that's not, the Bible condemns partiality, but here's the thing. 0.95

00:38:06.680 it condemns partiality on a, a unjustifiable or sinful basis. Uh, the reality is that like when

00:38:14.220 we think of prejudice, prejudice is just pre judgment. It's making a judgment ahead of time.

00:38:19.540 And when we make a judgment ahead of time from a sinful bias of hatred, then, then that's, I think

00:38:25.360 sinful. And I think the Bible describes that, but we are making, uh, we are all prejudiced. We are

00:38:30.460 all, we have presuppositions. We are making pre judgments all the time. Every employer,

00:38:35.180 when he holds an interview, you know,

00:38:36.680 looks at how the person is dressed, you know?

00:38:39.180 Certainly, certainly.

00:38:40.020 You know, the firm handshake, you know,

00:38:41.800 and the eye contact and all those kinds.

00:38:44.020 That's a prejudgment.

00:38:45.140 Because what we're saying is, I don't know.

00:38:46.580 I remember I went viral and got so much flack

00:38:49.840 a couple of years ago because I moved to Texas.

00:38:53.240 I was born and raised here,

00:38:54.480 but I was in California for a while.

00:38:56.100 And then I moved back and we were planting a church

00:38:59.520 and all these things.

00:39:01.280 And I, on a podcast, I said, you know,

00:39:03.580 that I had to choose a new doctor. And I said that, um, you know, if I didn't have a relationship

00:39:08.680 with the individual, I didn't know them, you know, and I can't look at all their credentials and

00:39:13.280 their criteria and I don't know them personally. And I don't know what they've actually merited

00:39:17.480 and what their skillset actually is, what they've earned versus what they may have been given all

00:39:22.380 things being equal, not knowing that let's say there's two doctors, I'm going to pick one as a

00:39:27.040 primary care physician. And I have two choices before me and one is white and one is black.

00:39:31.640 this is this is what i said and i they're perfect strangers i don't know them from adam

00:39:35.580 i would choose the white doctor especially in the year of our lord this was 2022 or 2023 on the heels

00:39:42.300 of massive dei policies and all these because and what i was saying is that um there's there's 0.93

00:39:48.720 absolutely you know it's conceivable there's absolutely a chance that that black doctor

00:39:52.940 might be a phenomenal doctor but statistically and that's all i have to go off of with this

00:39:58.520 pre-judgment. Statistically, I know that if either one of these two individuals did get a handout or

00:40:05.560 a pass, it would have been the black doctor. And so I knew that the statistical likelihood would 0.98

00:40:10.600 be higher for the white doctor. And so all that being said, my point is, to answer your question, 0.68

00:40:16.960 so I have friends in my arena who would say this is a prejudice, but not what the Bible defines as

00:40:23.760 a sinful prejudice that's arbitrary, that's capricious. It's a prejudice that's rooted in

00:40:29.220 pattern recognition and statistics and the order of morse and natural affections and good biblical

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00:41:51.620 possible. Now, I actually do differ with these individuals, and you and I would differ on this

00:41:57.920 as well. I would say that Clarence Thomas, for instance, who I think is right now one of the

00:42:04.860 best of the Supreme Court justices. However, I admit that the bar is fairly low for that. But I

00:42:10.860 would look at someone like that and say if you are a heritage black right so not a nigerian who 0.76

00:42:15.960 came here last week not a haitian but a heritage black um and qualified um you are intelligent

00:42:22.820 articulate and christian and married and x all my other qualifications net positive then i um i would

00:42:30.700 say that someone like that would be able to vote but with my policy going back to the third

00:42:35.380 generation and marriage and all these other conditions that i include um and knowing what

00:42:39.940 we know about the black community in general as a whole, just from the criminal record or the net

00:42:45.360 positive tax paying or this, that, and the other, it would effectively be a disproportionately

00:42:51.360 majority, vast majority white voters. So a black like Thomas would be a full-fledged citizen and 0.76

00:43:02.080 voter, whereas a white person who was not a professed Christian would not be. 0.83

00:43:08.060 In my conception of Christian nationalism, much to your chagrin, yes, my answer would be yes. 0.71

00:43:14.120 Well, see, my emphasis, of course, is race. 0.94

00:43:17.900 Right.

00:43:18.140 And to me, I think Thomas is an admirable person, but he is not part of my family, my larger extended family. 0.88

00:43:30.360 We are biologically closer to all white people in the world than we are to any other non-white person. 0.85

00:43:37.320 And when you were talking about the biblical affirmation of a number of things, and you said mentality or kinship, something that suggested kinship to me. 0.78

00:43:50.560 Natural affections.

00:43:52.060 Yes, natural affections.

00:43:53.240 Exactly right.

00:43:54.240 We have natural affections for people to whom we are genetically related.

00:43:59.700 And the most obvious example of that is our family.

00:44:03.000 You love your children more than you love the children of anybody else in the world.

00:44:08.740 That doesn't mean you dislike anybody else's children and you can be very fond of other

00:44:14.120 people's children, but your children come first.

00:44:17.400 That to me is an almost perfect example of how healthy people feel about their race.

00:44:23.620 They needn't be hostile to people of other races, but in fact, they can be very fond

00:44:27.920 of individuals, of people who are not of their same race.

00:44:30.240 but as an entity, my race is my family. So that is where I would draw the line. To me,

00:44:36.580 that's more important than whether you're a Christian or not a Christian. I think that

00:44:40.960 if white racially conscious white people who want to live together, they can be Christian,

00:44:48.520 not Christian. They can be pagan. They can be agnostic. They can be atheist. They can have 0.66

00:44:53.680 no interest in religion at all. I believe that if we start already carving up the pie in terms of,

00:44:59.220 okay, they've all got to be Christian, or they can't be Christian. There's some people who would 0.98

00:45:03.440 say that. Then we are already creating division where there need not be division. So long as we

00:45:10.720 all agree on the necessity of saving our family, that to me is what counts, and we can live with

00:45:19.020 familial differences, with differences within the family. Now, as far as the United States is

00:45:24.500 concerned people do talk about it as being a christian country and there is reason to say that

00:45:31.060 but as i recall at the constitutional convention benjamin franklin a deist of all people

00:45:38.420 at the very first meeting he proposed that the proceedings open with a prayer

00:45:44.740 and that was never adopted he proposed that a clergyman be hired to come and open with prayer

00:45:53.080 And so far as the historical record is concerned, no prayers were ever publicly uttered at the

00:46:00.840 Constitutional Convention.

00:46:02.780 And also, if you look in the Constitution, there is an oath of office of the President

00:46:06.940 of the United States.

00:46:09.020 It has always said, I swear or affirm.

00:46:14.260 It always granted the option of a president not wishing to swear.

00:46:19.500 That suggests to me that he didn't necessarily have to be a Christian.

00:46:22.520 And furthermore, the official wording of the oath in the Constitution to this day does not have,

00:46:28.760 so help me God, as part of it. And the historical record suggests that up until Lincoln, Lincoln

00:46:35.680 spontaneously added, so help me God, although Lincoln himself was not a particularly devout

00:46:42.180 or emphatic Christian. And since that time, it's become traditional to say, so help me God,

00:46:48.380 although teddy roosevelt apparently did not did not say those things and the uh in god we trust

00:46:55.500 did not appear on currency until i think it was 1957 1958 something like that so i think you could

00:47:01.180 argue that the conception of the original founders was not one of exclusive christianity whereas

00:47:09.660 the very first congress that met in 1789 brand new country got to figure out a whole lot of things

00:47:17.180 how are we going to make this country work? Who's going to be an American? It specified that

00:47:22.440 naturalization was going to be available only to free white persons of good character. That 0.61

00:47:29.320 suggests to me that there was no religious test, but there was a racial test. And so not just for

00:47:36.140 practical reasons. I think as far as white people are concerned, if we are facing extinction, we 0.59

00:47:42.340 need to help each other as much as we can christian or not christian and so not only do we need

00:47:48.820 numbers but also i think you could argue that from the founding of the united states although

00:47:53.380 it was predominantly christian many christians it was not and certainly was not explicitly

00:48:00.180 exclusively christian yes so i agree with all of that um it depends you know like you specified

00:48:06.660 the founding of the united states thinking 1776 thinking about the constitution so we're talking

00:48:11.860 about the latter the latter 1700s onward if we're looking at the 1600s and certainly the late 1500s

00:48:18.740 you know thinking of the 13 colonies and looking at you know certain state constitutions you know

00:48:23.860 like maine you know or uh then at that point i think that it was much more explicitly christian

00:48:30.020 much more thinking about the puritans true but i agree with you if we're looking back to the

00:48:34.740 the latter 1700s, I would have no argument or dispute with you over the history. I would simply

00:48:42.720 look at it and say, that's what I would call a rare founder's L. I think they messed up.

00:48:49.280 Now, but this is what I want to do real quick. But I agree with you on the history. I would just

00:48:53.340 view that as a mistake. But what I think would be fascinating, if you would be willing to answer

00:48:57.940 this question, kind of almost like playing a game, a hypothetical experiment. If we, let's say this,

00:49:03.580 just hypothetically let's say you know that uh jared versus joel gets to be king starting now

00:49:10.480 and and in your conception let's say that like starting now so not going back you know but from

00:49:15.800 from here moving forward because we can't we can't change the past we're trying to solve for the

00:49:20.440 future if starting now in january of 2026 if you were able to determine uh the rules and and

00:49:29.560 persuade everyone, you know, at least the vast majority to agree with you. And your conception

00:49:36.000 of the requirements for both office and voting citizens were put in place versus Joel. Same

00:49:43.260 scenario. Now I get to be the one who's in charge and I'm able to persuade, you know, a vast majority

00:49:48.660 of the country in the same way with my criteria. Which one, and let's also one more piece. Let's

00:49:56.280 say that we also were able to achieve 100 million deportations so so instead of 59 percent white 0.94

00:50:02.320 let's say that we're sitting around 80 percent white country and there's going to be in your

00:50:08.120 in your conception your scheme some uh with that 20 percent some denaturalization they're not going

00:50:14.600 to be mistreated or exploited or hated but but they would not be voting citizens and certainly

00:50:19.600 would not be able to hold office and then same with me the deportations happen and so it's about

00:50:24.020 80 percent uh white country and so you have your criteria of who gets to vote i have my criteria 0.62

00:50:29.800 of who gets to vote moving forward which one does uh devolves into a third world hell hole faster

00:50:37.340 you mean whether requiring that the voters be christian or not well no no all my criteria so

00:50:45.180 oh so i would say in some sense even more than the christian piece which that's a big one for

00:50:49.480 me i'm a christian nationalist after all yes so let's let's boil it down even more specifically

00:50:53.840 your piece white voters my piece no female voters i i think i think that um the original

00:51:02.080 constitution was not a bad idea okay and the original conception you had to be a property

00:51:07.340 owner you had to be you had to be a man uh okay so you would hold to that you would hold to a

00:51:13.000 well uh uh don't hold me to this publicly okay okay but uh certainly a restrictive franchise

00:51:22.180 eyes, I think, is 100% legitimate. I've sometimes suggested that there be a very stiff test,

00:51:31.040 for example, of politics, economics, and history that you had to pass in order to be a voter,

00:51:37.320 in addition to all these other qualifications. But no, the idea of one man, one vote,

00:51:43.320 one goofball who has a vote that counteracts that of the most incisive person in the whole country, 0.98

00:51:49.540 this to me is a very silly way of trying to run a country it's it's just nuts and the fact that 0.98

00:51:55.480 every single every single western country has devolved down to this lowest common denominator

00:52:01.720 the word lowest common denominator to me the key word is lowest why do we want the lowest really

00:52:09.300 why do we want the lowest no that's a terrible mistake well said okay so i i agree with much of

00:52:13.700 that the higher you know the 30 000 of that concept uh basically what i was getting at and

00:52:18.960 imposing that hypothetical is just to say, and I think that you would probably largely agree

00:52:23.360 that if we could get, you know, with deportations, and I don't think it's going to happen, but if it

00:52:28.760 did, and we could kind of repeal back to the Hart-Celler Act, for instance, or close to it.

00:52:36.060 So not just the Biden admin. I mean, we had millions and millions, both legal and illegal,

00:52:40.600 but not just going back four years or five years, that's not enough.

00:52:44.500 11th yes but let's let's say like 50 60 correct so let's say we could go back 50 60 yes be you

00:52:50.320 know 80 85 you know white um i guess what i'm trying to you know i pose it as a question but

00:52:55.880 i'll just make it the statement because i obviously have a statement that i'm making

00:52:58.740 i i think that with an 80 white america um that if women were permitted to vote

00:53:06.820 that you that if if in mind if it's 85 percent white if if we allowed for 15 percent of non-whites

00:53:15.820 but heritage in the sense of at least three generations and they're christian they could

00:53:20.140 vote versus 50 percent of this population 85 percent white 15 non-white 50 percent across

00:53:26.240 the board women voting i feel like that scheme would devolve into open borders and those kind

00:53:32.680 faster than mine. I think certainly women are by nature. Compassionate. Leftists, yes. The way I 1.00

00:53:42.560 describe it in almost shorthand terms is that women evolved as the central figures of the one

00:53:51.020 human unit that really does always operate from each according to his ability and each according

00:53:56.820 to his knee, which is Marx's phrase. And that's the family. The family has to operate that way.

00:54:03.760 And women as the key member of that unit, I believe that they are naturally compassionate, 0.78

00:54:11.120 naturally caring, naturally willing to devote themselves to the weak. And for that reason,

00:54:15.680 that makes them more manipulable by people who really are outside the family, who are outside

00:54:22.160 our natural purview. And so I agree 100% that the more women have power, the more you are likely to 1.00

00:54:30.940 devolve in that direction. No question about it. Great. Yeah, we agree. And I love the way that 1.00

00:54:36.140 you phrased it, Jared, because we don't hate women, right? People will say, are you a misogynist?

00:54:41.020 And I'll say, I'm not a misogynist. I am a sexist. In the technical sense, I believe there are two

00:54:46.280 sexes and they're dynamic. Yes, they're different. They're different, of course, but I'm not a 1.00

00:54:49.820 massages i don't hate women i love women but because i love women precisely because of that 0.96

00:54:53.820 not despite it i want uh the women that i love particularly my wife my daughters you know the

00:54:59.380 women in my life um i i want them to thrive and everything you just described about women you did

00:55:05.060 such a good job with that um those are all none of those are liabilities no they're wonderful

00:55:10.280 if in the proper context in the context of the family yes that's you know if you have a child

00:55:16.700 with special needs right you don't say oh well you know one of the children is a quadriplegic so

00:55:22.720 um i guess you know they only get one meal a day instead of three well that would be atrocious 0.97

00:55:27.560 you know i and no woman would ever allow it but when you put her in a supreme court judge position 0.80

00:55:34.300 and she's looking at the whole and she considers the whole world now her family well it's just

00:55:40.240 it's not sustainable. No, there is a definite difference between the sexes. And I've always 0.53

00:55:49.200 been astonished at the utterly unbelievable things we're supposed to believe about women

00:55:55.160 in the last few decades. There was a time when many white people in the United States had no 0.87

00:56:01.680 direct contact with black people. And it was very easy for them to believe everything they'd heard 0.98

00:56:07.840 about black people, namely that they're just like us. And the problem is all of those wicked 1.00

00:56:13.200 Southerners who've been mistreating them. And if only we Minnesotans or we Vermonters had a chance 0.92

00:56:19.780 to treat them the way they deserve, they'd be just like us. It was possible to believe that.

00:56:25.180 And so people passed laws on the assumption that blacks and whites are exactly the same, 0.93

00:56:30.720 their average intelligence is the same, their propensity is to commit crimes the same, 0.86

00:56:34.760 their ability to control themselves or think in terms of the future. All those things are

00:56:38.620 identical. I believe there are overwhelming arguments to say that they are not identical

00:56:43.200 in that respect. Now, I think that the American experiment has proven that this egalitarian

00:56:48.620 notion is wrong. However, when it began to be fashionable to say, well, you know, women are, 0.99

00:56:57.080 they're just like men. Their desires, their aggressiveness, their sexual appetites, 0.86

00:57:02.260 their instincts, all of this. You know, there are a few irrelevant biological differences,

00:57:06.880 but basically, fundamentally, they're the same. And every difference is one that's just been

00:57:11.400 socialization. It has nothing to do with their nature. I remember thinking, what in heaven's

00:57:17.400 name? Everybody's got a mother. A whole lot of men have got sisters. And they're supposed to

00:57:23.680 grow up believing that by nature, men and women are the same, more likely to have unbiased and

00:57:32.180 coldly logical decision making in the face of crises you name it more likely to go to war just

00:57:39.380 just as a killer instinct in the trenches as men this is utterly preposterous utterly preposterous

00:57:48.900 but this just goes to show you the kind of insanity that we are forced to believe now

00:57:54.180 as i say i don't like to publicly take position to say that women should be deprived of the vote

00:57:59.540 Again, I like to look for unity whenever possible.

00:58:03.180 I don't want to scare white women away from some sense of racial solidarity.

00:58:11.260 And I suspect that it's impossible to make a trade-off of this kind. 0.80

00:58:17.640 But if a white ethnostate were to emerge only because women could vote on the same criteria as men, 0.81

00:58:27.800 then that is a trade-off I would be willing to make if it were not to happen as opposed to it

00:58:35.100 not happening at all now again this is an imaginary situation that would never come up in practical 0.98

00:58:39.280 terms but again in order for what I want to take place for whites to regain control of their 0.78

00:58:48.060 destiny there have to be a whole lot more of us who think the way we do and for that to happen 0.79

00:58:54.240 I don't want to be carving up who is white or what is the white polity going to be like. 0.92

00:59:02.000 I hesitate to make those decisions in advance because I don't want to drive off potential 0.80

00:59:08.060 allies at a time when we need so many more allies, if you can understand my approach

00:59:13.880 to this.

00:59:14.520 I understand and I'm sympathetic.

00:59:16.320 I'm partially sympathetic because I know by way of experience. 0.71

00:59:21.160 um you can only you can only die on so many hills like when you're fighting against the cultural

00:59:29.520 milieu or when you're fighting against false doctrines for instance there's there's a reason

00:59:34.440 for instance there's a reason why all the historic christian creeds um can be almost you know

00:59:40.720 nicene creeds a little bit longer the apostles creed is shorter but can be almost written in

00:59:46.060 ink on the palm of your hand because what they're saying is that when it comes to premier issues

00:59:51.140 you can't have 4,000

00:59:53.180 you can't have

00:59:53.960 you can value 4,000 things

00:59:56.100 you can have 4,000 values

00:59:57.800 but you can probably only have

01:00:00.340 four or five priorities

01:00:01.720 so there are many things that we value

01:00:04.580 but you cannot

01:00:06.700 prioritize

01:00:07.680 if you prioritize everything

01:00:09.100 you prioritize nothing

01:00:10.680 and so I understand that for your purpose

01:00:12.520 and what you're trying to accomplish

01:00:14.660 and what you've devoted a lot of your life to

01:00:16.980 you're saying

01:00:17.940 I am going to be

01:00:20.480 you know like i experience extreme pushback and opposition and be called a racist and be called

01:00:27.700 this um and and because this issue is so near and dear to your heart you're saying okay i it's one

01:00:34.620 thing to to have a barrage of of oppositional fire on this issue if if i if i expand and say and i'm

01:00:42.940 also going to fight for male only vote and then i'm also going to fight for you know this that

01:00:48.060 And I say I know this by, you know, somewhat, by experience, because I've kind of, you know, gotten into the trenches on biblical patriarchy.

01:00:57.500 I've gotten into the trenches on not a race essentialism, but like a race realism is probably the way that I would describe it. 0.83

01:01:05.580 And I've gotten into the trenches with an anti-Zionism kind of position. 0.76

01:01:10.920 And picking three hills, man, I get shot a lot. 0.87

01:01:16.460 The way I put it is, you can't afford to be a crank on more than one question.

01:01:22.360 And my message has to do with race.

01:01:24.920 And if someone is looking for reasons to disagree with me, and then he finds, oh, and this guy thinks this about women, or he thinks this about Jews, or he thinks this about abortion or euthanasia, or whatever some divisive question is, he thinks this about Christianity.

01:01:44.680 society.

01:01:45.680 I don't want to be easily dismissed.

01:01:48.780 So I try to stick to my lane.

01:01:50.700 I can have private preferences on many things, but I think that I have been successful to

01:01:57.000 the extent that I have been successful by sticking to a fairly easily grasped idea. 1.00

01:02:04.300 And that is that people of different races don't end up building the same societies. 0.98

01:02:10.360 Races are not equivalent. 0.68

01:02:11.440 can't swap out white people and swap in Asians or Somalis, Africans, and get the same country. 0.77

01:02:19.140 Not at all. And that, as I like to put it, we as white people have the right to be us,

01:02:25.520 and only we can be us. It's a pretty simple way of putting it. And so long as I stick to that

01:02:31.540 basic message, I am unlikely to cause the kind of disagreement that diminishes our numbers

01:02:38.480 in what is, to me, the most crucial and important battleground in the last, who knows, 5,000 years.

01:02:47.100 And that's why, to me, it is a pity when people draw lines and say, 0.66

01:02:51.720 well, okay, if they're not Christians, white men, they're just not going to be part of the show.

01:02:57.820 They can't vote. They can't run for office. 0.79

01:03:00.260 Well, this brings me to a different question, though.

01:03:04.720 I mean, you certainly know the Bible far better than I,

01:03:07.640 And you're going to slap this idea down with no difficulty whatsoever.

01:03:11.880 But didn't Jesus himself say, my kingdom is not of this world, and all this render under Caesar, etc., etc.?

01:03:20.340 Could you not, based on the New Testament at any rate, say that Christianity is essentially a private decision,

01:03:29.000 that it is not necessarily a basis for legislation, except perhaps for the Ten Commandments?

01:03:35.180 So you certainly could say that. And Lord knows that many, many have, especially as of late,

01:03:41.520 recently. What I would say, just to answer the question, is I would say that Christianity is

01:03:45.940 deeply personal. But I would bifurcate the distinction between a personal faith that must

01:03:53.400 be personal versus a private faith. So I would say that Christianity must be personal, but also

01:03:58.700 must be public. I would say that Jesus is Lord of the public square. So the final thing that Jesus

01:04:04.600 says when he's about to ascend to heaven after the resurrection and be taken up into heaven

01:04:09.900 disappear before the clouds he gives the great commission to go in and baptize the nations

01:04:14.980 but he prefaces it by saying that all authority has been given to him not only in the 17th

01:04:19.840 dimension in some ethereal spiritual terms exclusively but all authority has been given

01:04:24.500 to me on earth and in heaven and when jesus says that my kingdom is not of this world what i would

01:04:30.020 say is I would just distinguish that in saying that it is true that the kingdom of God is not

01:04:35.500 of the world in the sense that it does not derive the source of its power and authority by worldly

01:04:41.740 means. But to say that Christ's kingdom is not of the world is not the same as to say that his

01:04:46.960 kingdom is not in this world. And I would say that the little bit of leaven, thinking of some of his

01:04:52.500 parables, that eventually over time gradually and progressively works through the whole batch of

01:04:57.060 or the mustard seed that eventually grows into a great global encompassing tree that um that

01:05:03.300 that that that jesus like the seed that if it is to grow first must die and be planted and buried

01:05:10.300 and die that jesus he was buried and he did die and and that his church the body of christ here

01:05:15.940 here on earth is growing into this great tree and uh and that that is precisely his purpose not just

01:05:22.940 souls in heaven but but christians on earth a christian kingdom here is that any different from

01:05:30.620 quranic sharia law in other words uh uh according to the sharia civil law should be based on the

01:05:38.940 quran would you go so far to say that all civil law or criminal law in a christian nation would

01:05:46.200 be based on the Bible. I would say that it's a vast distinction between, you know, Sharia law,

01:05:52.420 certainly. In part, one of the biggest distinctions is just the distinction between the

01:05:56.520 Quran and the Bible. The Quran is far more severe. Aside from the content, yes, aside from the 0.93

01:06:01.380 content, but the idea is that all laws in a Christian society should be founded on the Bible.

01:06:07.740 Would that be your position? Yes, but I would specify how. So I would say that in the Old

01:06:15.220 Testament. You have three primary divisions of the law. You have civil codes, you have ceremonial

01:06:20.160 laws that are done away with. They've been fulfilled by Christ. We no longer make animal

01:06:24.260 sacrifices, certain hand-washing rituals, certain temple practices. So the ceremonial laws are done

01:06:30.480 away with. The civil codes, I believe, were belonging to that particular administration

01:06:35.620 of Old Covenant Israel. So for instance, having a parapet around the border of your roof.

01:06:41.620 If somebody did not have a border around the roof, then they would be liable to certain penalties if someone was injured and rolled off the roof.

01:06:48.760 But it's contextual because they didn't have HVAC, they didn't have air conditioning.

01:06:53.580 People slept on the roof during the warmer summer months, and so there was a need for that.

01:06:58.580 So what I would say is that you have the three main divisions of the Old Testament law.

01:07:02.120 One is ceremonial. That's done.

01:07:04.360 If we put those in place today, not only does that not honor God, but in a very real sense,

01:07:10.000 it actually is directly opposed to the sufficiency of Christ.

01:07:14.400 He's the final lamb.

01:07:15.460 He's the final priest.

01:07:16.380 To reimpose the ceremonial codes is to say that Jesus wasn't enough.

01:07:20.980 So that, certainly not.

01:07:22.880 The moral law, so ceremonial, civil, and moral.

01:07:26.340 The moral law, there are many moral laws, but I would say summary, moral summary law

01:07:31.500 would be the Decalogue, Exodus chapter 28.

01:07:33.840 rooted in the 10 commandments.

01:07:35.680 And then what I would say is the civil codes 0.63

01:07:37.740 that are given to Israel,

01:07:38.740 that every single one of them was particularly to Israel.

01:07:41.480 So it's not a one-to-one ratio

01:07:42.920 where you could take the civil codes

01:07:44.820 and drop them wholesale in America in 2026

01:07:48.160 or some other country. 0.90

01:07:49.900 But I would say that all these civil codes,

01:07:52.300 such as the example of a parapet around the roof of a house,

01:07:55.840 that every single one of them

01:07:56.920 was a direct cultural application

01:07:59.960 that ultimately had its general equity.

01:08:02.440 the moral foundational impetus for that particular civil code could be tracked back to one of the

01:08:10.120 moral laws, the 10 commandments. So I would say that not the civil, certainly not the ceremonial

01:08:15.220 laws, Jesus is enough, not a one-to-one ratio, a wholesale drop of the civil codes, you know,

01:08:21.360 hundreds of civil codes, but the 10 commandments, I would want to say, yes, these 10 commandments

01:08:26.740 are for all nations and all peoples, and then it takes prudence and wisdom to look at the

01:08:33.120 Decalogue, the Ten Commandments, moral commands from God, and appropriately apply them in our

01:08:37.740 place and time today. That's what I'm saying. Okay, so the Old Testament, that in effect,

01:08:44.580 you can pick and choose parts of the Old Testament that would apply today. I mean,

01:08:48.720 that's putting it in somewhat derogatory terms. But for example, yes, stoning women caught in

01:08:55.520 adultery, for example. The other thing that strikes me is that there's so many questions

01:09:02.140 that we have to face today for which it seems to me it might be difficult to come up with a

01:09:08.260 Christian policy. That's true. That's very true. Taxation, the size of government. 1.00

01:09:16.480 What is the purpose of prisons? Are prisons to punish or prisons penitentiaries in which

01:09:22.920 people to make penitence and come out forgiven? Right, rehabilitate or punitive? That's a great

01:09:29.780 question. Also, oh, even, I don't know, I know that the Quakers believe that a Christian nation

01:09:38.580 shouldn't even have an army, that we love our neighbors as ourselves, turn the other cheek. 0.96

01:09:43.500 Do not like the Quakers, not a fan of the Quakers. I'm not. 1.00

01:09:47.360 Were they not Christians? Would Quakers be deprived of the vote in your polity?

01:09:53.780 So what I would do is, these are great questions, and I'm going to answer. 0.63

01:09:57.620 And I know you're asking somewhat facetiously, but I'm going to give you an honest answer.

01:10:02.120 Only half facetiously, because the Bible is so full of different things that can and have been interpreted in so many different ways.

01:10:11.140 It just seems it's a difficult, I mean, people will say, this is the only guide we need.

01:10:17.360 right and i understand that conviction that's based on faith but there's so many difficult

01:10:22.640 things in that guidebook to interpret to apply to the world we live in today 100 so i would say that

01:10:30.160 i'm a bible guy i love the bible biblicism however continues to prove to be extraordinarily

01:10:36.880 problematic and what i mean by biblicism is the um the insistence of chapter and verse chapter

01:10:42.640 and verse right so i just recently you know and i got a lot of flack from this um i just recently

01:10:48.580 had a debate with um two individuals who both have a lot of followers in the christian kind

01:10:56.300 of sphere online uh both of them are youtubers one of them was a young black man named avery

01:11:01.660 one of them uh is a white man named ruslan who is in an interracial marriage his wife is black

01:11:06.620 and I've met her. She's a sweet lady. But they were arguing for interracial marriage and I was

01:11:14.020 arguing against. And I wasn't arguing against in the sense that I don't believe that it should be 1.00

01:11:19.500 legislated. I don't believe that there should be laws against it. But I was, the thesis, I came up

01:11:24.280 with a thesis and they agreed. So we both agreed on the prompt for the debate. I was the affirmative.

01:11:29.400 And the thesis that I wrote was interracial marriage while being biblically permissive

01:11:35.040 um or permissible interracial marriage while biblically permissible uh generally goes against

01:11:42.040 god's ordinary slash normative plan for people's cultures and nations so that was the prompt i was

01:11:48.220 affirming that and they were denying and um i got a lot of backlash you know probably in you know in

01:11:54.540 the comments and people watching the debate probably nine nine out of ten were saying i

01:11:59.140 can't believe joel said that but my point is is that so is that so nine out of ten of your

01:12:04.580 viewers and listeners thought that not so much my viewers and listeners it's because these two

01:12:10.080 individuals who i love i i think they're christians i i disagree with them on this issue but

01:12:15.220 but they're nice enough men they they're uh their following is uh combined collectively the two of

01:12:22.020 them is probably 10 times the size of my fault so so it wasn't just my listeners it was a lot of

01:12:27.100 their listeners coming to play um and you know and so so but my point is uh what the crux of

01:12:32.980 the debate kept coming down to was biblicism not bible i like bible i'm a christian but

01:12:38.840 biblicism in other words what they kept saying was well joel you're you're effectively losing

01:12:44.200 the debate losing the argument because you have yet to prove from chapter and verse explicitly

01:12:50.300 from the bible that this isn't god's normative plan and and you know my point i even said at

01:12:56.620 one point in the debate i said there's not a chapter and verse in the bible that says thou

01:13:00.120 shalt not drink water out of the toilet but we don't do it we don't we don't need that like god

01:13:06.320 made us as rational beings there's natural law there's all these different things and so all

01:13:11.420 this back to your questions um i would say that um what a lot of christians it's it actually

01:13:16.760 it betrays um i i think a uh a distasteful motivation a lot of christians perhaps

01:13:23.760 subconsciously they don't even realize it but there's a there's a an apathy and laziness that

01:13:28.920 Part of the reason why they just, you know, what I would call low IQ Christian nationalism is they want the Bible to be the handbook because they don't want to do the hard work of prudence and wisdom and thinking about how things work.

01:13:45.860 So I want the Bible to be the foundation, but I don't believe that the Bible somehow removes the necessity for prudence and wisdom and application of the scripture. 0.89

01:13:57.740 So all that being said, back to the Christian thing, Quakers, would they be a part of this deal 0.64

01:14:01.420 or this and that and the other? What I would say in simple terms is the Christian nationalism that

01:14:05.420 I want to see take place would be creedal, not confessional. Credal meaning I would want to see

01:14:12.660 the constitution as is. I would like to revisit some of the latter amendments after the first 10.

01:14:19.020 But other than that, the first 10 amendments, I like. The latter amendments, I would want to

01:14:24.000 revisit. The rest of the Constitution is beautiful. And then I would want to adopt a preamble to the

01:14:30.020 Constitution, not a confession, Westminster Confession, that's 90 pages and very specific

01:14:34.620 and would say, well, this Christian's in and this Christian's out, but something creedal that would

01:14:38.600 include Eastern Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant, like the Apostles' Creed, that does what I see as

01:14:44.380 a failure of the founders. Because you're right, Jared, they did not explicitly name the Lord Jesus

01:14:49.620 Christ. And I, and I think they should have that's, I could be wrong about that, but that's my

01:14:53.600 perception. Um, and then when it comes to, you know, laws and these things, like you said,

01:14:58.580 a woman being stoned, just to answer that question for the listener, I would look at all these, um,

01:15:03.540 these moral specific moral laws in the old Testament, and some of them being civic laws,

01:15:08.680 civil code codes. And I would say that the ones that, um, that specify the death penalty,

01:15:14.040 that according to the Noahic covenant in Genesis chapter nine, there's actually only one crime

01:15:19.200 not only a sin but it's also a crime that um that merits or mandates even capital punishment and

01:15:26.040 that is the taking of someone's life in the case of adultery or the case of breaking blue laws which

01:15:32.480 we had on the books here in america for quite a long time sabbath laws or blasphemy laws or these

01:15:37.720 kinds of things wherever uh the death penalty is mentioned i would see that as um that would be a

01:15:45.000 maximum penalty so in the state of texas you know you see signs don't mess mess with texas littering

01:15:50.600 you know two thousand dollar fine or five years in jail and i don't know about you but i don't

01:15:54.740 have any i don't know anyone who's doing hard time in prison right now it's like man i've been here

01:15:59.860 three and a half years 18 more months to go i threw a coke bottle out the window and and so

01:16:04.460 what i would say is for repeat incessant offenders homosexuality for instance not police going into

01:16:10.380 private homes, but if someone is trying to indoctrinate children, they're writing paraphernalia,

01:16:16.020 they're leading parades that are grotesque, egregious, where people are nude, they've done

01:16:22.100 it again and again and again and again, they've received certain fines, certain penalties, they've

01:16:26.880 been told to cease and desist, it's been years, they continue, then yes, it could raise all the

01:16:32.360 way up as a maximum penalty to that point. So that's how I look at the Old Testament. I know

01:16:38.180 I don't think you would disagree, but just to answer the question.

01:16:40.480 Well, so for the same, the same would be for blasphemy and adultery, for example.

01:16:45.140 Repeat offenders could theoretically face the death penalty.

01:16:48.580 Theoretically, a repeat offender could.

01:16:50.960 Well, the fact of the matter is, I am a great fan of the death penalty.

01:16:55.840 And there was a time when a number of states passed three strikes and you're out laws.

01:17:01.000 And the idea was, after three penalties, your third felony conviction, you were going to have life in jail.

01:17:09.160 Well, that certainly cut down the crime rate, but it also made the jails overcrowded.

01:17:14.580 So they released, they stopped doing that.

01:17:18.180 And now you hear about these people who have committed murder or some other heinous crime.

01:17:22.920 Career criminals, what an oxymoron.

01:17:25.360 Yes, yes, with 40 convictions, 40 arrests.

01:17:28.960 What in heaven's name is that? 0.95

01:17:30.500 I would bring back three strikes and you're out, but I would say give them the death penalty. 0.91

01:17:36.700 I am not stingy with the death penalty.

01:17:40.120 I think the idea we've got to feed and house and medicate and clothe these people until they're 80, 90 years old,

01:17:46.760 put them on dialysis when they're sick, this is nuts.

01:17:50.900 I want them not just out of society, I just want them off the planet. 0.99

01:17:54.740 Now, that may sound harsh, that may sound brutal, but I'm not opposed to the death penalty.

01:17:59.100 but I don't base it on biblical grounds. I base it on practical grounds. Why want these people

01:18:04.980 out of the society, out of the gene pool, never to be heard of again? And for me, I would base it

01:18:09.280 on both because I agree. It's painfully practical, very much based in reason. There was a guy,

01:18:16.340 R.J. Rush student. Oh, yes. I've heard of him, yes. Yeah, he was a theonomist and I would be

01:18:22.740 in that camp with some distinctions, but I would describe myself as a general equity theonomist.

01:18:28.160 So again, not a wholesale one-to-one ratio of civil codes, you know, in 2026 America, all the distinctions that I've already laid out, but I appreciate him very much. I think he was courageous and he did a lot of good things. And, um, and, and he was, he was, as the kids say, he was based, um, you know, he was, uh, he understood, he spoke about interracial marriage. He, um, you know, he got the charge of being a kennist and those kinds of things.

01:18:52.500 He also, um, got the charge of being a Holocaust denier, you know, and he, he was just, he

01:18:57.780 was an, of an older mindset, um, and not so indoctrinated by the, the modern post-war

01:19:04.480 consensus and those things.

01:19:05.580 And so I, I really respect, uh, that, that individual and, um, and he, in biblical terms

01:19:11.700 or really spiritual terms, Christian terms, he said very much like what you just said,

01:19:17.340 Jared, in terms of the death penalty, he said that, um, there was a certain person that

01:19:22.500 who at a certain point has committed so many crimes and of such a heinous nature

01:19:27.620 that in order to do true justice, it's beyond our human capacity.

01:19:32.800 And so therefore, we should immediately transfer them to a higher court.

01:19:37.100 I like that.

01:19:38.240 That's how he said it, yeah.

01:19:40.180 Yes, send them to the Supreme Court.

01:19:42.540 That's right.

01:19:43.500 No, I like that.

01:19:44.480 I'm going to have to trim that line.

01:19:46.360 Yeah, it's a good one.

01:19:47.600 Yes, that's very good. 0.86

01:19:49.060 But, well, I suppose our real fundamentalist agreement, yours and mine, is the idea that in this otherwise quite healthy society in which you would have only a very small number of non-whites, that a white person who does not profess the Christian faith would not be a full citizen.

01:20:10.540 Again, I think that's unnecessarily divisive.

01:20:14.220 Now, I find it interesting that, in your view, Catholics are okay.

01:20:18.320 Are Mormons okay?

01:20:19.800 Are they Christians too?

01:20:21.120 The Eastern Church, that's fine.

01:20:23.420 Right, so Eastern Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant would all be able to affirm the 0.99

01:20:28.100 historical creeds, whereas Mormons and Jehovah's Witness, if you could ask them to their face,

01:20:33.860 they would be honest and say, no, we deny the Apostles' Creed.

01:20:38.440 They believe that Jesus is the first created of all beings, likened to the archangel Michael.

01:20:46.000 But they do not believe that he is—all the historic creeds believe that Jesus is not—

01:20:50.640 He's the son of God.

01:20:51.360 Yes, not of similar substance, but the same substance, and that he is eternally begotten, not made.

01:20:58.000 And so that would set them apart outside of the historic Christian tradition. 0.95

01:21:01.660 Okay, well, I guess I'd just have to club with the Mormons then.

01:21:05.240 And the fact is, I've known a number of Mormons, and I've never found them to be these weird people.

01:21:14.500 Oh, they're sweet people.

01:21:15.740 If we're talking about who's in my church, Mormons couldn't be in my church.

01:21:20.020 But if you're talking about, well, Joel, which neighborhood would you like your family to live in?

01:21:25.440 A Mormon neighborhood would be a very safe, happy neighborhood.

01:21:29.460 Yes, it would. 1.00

01:21:30.560 Of course, Mormons have a kind of clannishness, too.

01:21:33.480 They don't go on welfare.

01:21:35.240 because if you come on rough times, then the Mormon community reaches into its pocket and

01:21:41.860 makes sure to tide you over. But the Mormon community is also very careful to make sure

01:21:47.160 that you're not a freeloader. I think it's very much that kind of community approach

01:21:53.280 to the difficulties that some people inevitably run into. That's much, much, much healthier than

01:21:58.560 getting the government involved. You said earlier something that I didn't take the opportunity to

01:22:03.320 applaud as much as i should have at the time but you criticized americans for their excessive

01:22:08.440 individuality i think that really is a terrible thing people get cocooned off in their little

01:22:13.800 wall in their little world and they care about me me me me and maybe my girlfriend and every now

01:22:19.080 and then oh i might have children too but this kind of individualism that's just a dead end it

01:22:25.240 we are all part of things much larger than ourselves and that's another thing that i try

01:22:31.480 to emphasize to my fellow white people, Christian or not, and that is that you're not in this all

01:22:38.620 by yourself. You're not in this just with your own family. You're in this with millions of people,

01:22:45.040 not just here today, but all the millions who went before and built this wonderful,

01:22:49.340 wonderful civilization of which we are a part. But no, I just wanted to approve of your emphasis

01:22:55.500 that we are not atomized individuals and that this is a real stumbling block to any kind of

01:23:00.260 success for our people. Amen. Well said. Well, Jared Taylor, thank you so much for coming on the

01:23:05.940 show. It's been a pleasure talking to you. And I know that you have thought about these things for

01:23:09.600 many years, much longer than I have. I've become, again, not racist. I don't hate anybody. But I

01:23:16.100 become racially conscious, I would say, probably in the last year and a half or so. It's a more

01:23:23.320 modern development for me. And so I want to say thank you for your work. Although we have

01:23:28.060 disagreements i appreciate your courage your willingness to talk about these things and and

01:23:33.160 maybe as as a last thing one let our listeners know where to follow you but also like i said

01:23:38.480 my development is recent i'm really curious for someone who's been in this world as long as you

01:23:42.940 have um you would know and i i would not be aware but you would know can you with your fingers on

01:23:50.000 the pulse can you detect a a change would you say that america that white people are becoming

01:23:55.120 more racially conscious? Do you think that there's a shift happening?

01:23:59.800 Unquestionably. Unquestionably. I've been doing this for 35 years. And as I've said many times

01:24:05.760 before, oh, up until perhaps 10 years ago, for the first 20, 25 years, it seemed as though

01:24:11.640 I was really a voice crying in the wilderness, that if anything, I was just making a record

01:24:17.140 so that if some future historian wanted to piece back what happened to the white man, gosh, he was

01:24:24.540 doing pretty well for a while, and then he disappeared. What happened? That somebody might

01:24:29.400 find evidence that not every one of us was a fool or a coward. That's the way I felt. I'm just making 0.98

01:24:34.580 a record for future historians. Now, I don't feel that way at all. I think it is part of a project.

01:24:40.940 Young people in particular, they see what's happening. They realize that if their generation

01:24:47.080 doesn't take certain steps, then we're finished. We're finished. The white man and everything he

01:24:53.720 created all of his culture all of his civilization is just going to go down the tubes and it'll be 0.93

01:24:59.520 over so no i'm much much more convinced much much more confident much much more optimistic than i've

01:25:06.220 ever been since i started this business but if i may ask you if we've got enough time to do this

01:25:11.800 what is it over the last year and a half that did change your mind what gave you a racial

01:25:16.840 consciousness yeah so a number of things one reading history and and being posed with the

01:25:25.520 very real decision that i would either have to condemn all my christian fathers as terrible men

01:25:32.560 and so as i became ironically as i became more theonomic and and more uh feeling more of of a

01:25:42.720 moral obligation to, to abide by the law of God, the fifth commandment specifically to honor thy

01:25:49.860 father. I always thought, you know, children should obey their parents and the Bible says this,

01:25:54.120 but, but as I started reading, you know, some of the, the, the older reformers, for instance,

01:25:59.460 and all their many applications of the fifth commandment, you know, um, they, you know,

01:26:05.040 Matthew Henry, for instance, or Thomas Watson, rather, he, he argued, uh, the fifth commandment

01:26:09.580 has several applications. There's the familial father, there's the civil father, there are

01:26:15.040 spiritual fathers, there are ancient fathers. And he uses, when he says ancient fathers, he uses as

01:26:20.420 an example, he says, without equivocation, without apology, you know, this was before, you know,

01:26:25.240 the 1960s as he's writing. And so there was no need for the political correctness, but he's,

01:26:30.020 in the case of ancient fathers and what it means to honor them, what an audible man, that Constantine.

01:26:35.120 He was very zealous for the things of God, the way that he defended the Christian church and

01:26:39.360 Should we not honor him? And so as I became more inclined with the law of God, also with looking

01:26:46.880 at history, European history, American history, and particularly the history of Christendom,

01:26:52.020 and go all the way back to King Alfred and even Constantine, it became a moral issue for me. I

01:26:58.340 started to feel a real sense of guilt that I had inadvertently, perhaps, but that I had sinned

01:27:04.660 against my fathers that i had subtly um in in so many ways by just drinking the kool-aid and going

01:27:11.740 along to get along i had i had indicted and and accused and ridiculed all my christian fathers

01:27:19.260 and and realizing and seeing what they had done in the past and looking at where we are now and

01:27:24.880 i finally came to the terms i realized i'm the lesser son of former sires and and i should

01:27:31.880 probably, the Bible speaks to, you know, let no man think of himself more highly than he ought,

01:27:36.620 but each man should view himself with sober judgment. And we don't want to be overly

01:27:41.600 self-depreciating, but, you know, don't view yourself lower than you actually are,

01:27:47.120 but also not higher. And I started to put myself in proper place in history and looking at my

01:27:53.040 former fathers and realizing these are, in every regard, they're my superiors. And so then what am

01:27:58.100 i logically going to do am i going to say well they were better on uh protecting the life of

01:28:02.740 the unborn they were they were better uh more humane they were more compassionate they were

01:28:07.180 more zealous um none of them were uh you know going to uh brothels and they weren't you know

01:28:13.460 they didn't have pornography and they didn't have all these they were better in every regard and and

01:28:17.760 what i would have thought you know i didn't really think about it much at all but subconsciously what

01:28:21.420 i was essentially uh assuming is it um prior generations were morally superior to me and my

01:28:28.840 generation in every single arena except except one except one and then i thought well what's more

01:28:35.860 logical like what what's more likely uh could it be perhaps uh that they were just better all the

01:28:41.660 way around and that in this one arena i've also been hoodwinked you know like just the all the

01:28:47.380 other ones. So that was a big change for me. I've never ever heard anyone who described his arrival

01:28:53.200 at racist consciousness in that fashion. It's almost as if it was a logical consequence of

01:28:59.100 rehabilitating your ancestors. What an interesting, interesting idea. And if I may

01:29:05.260 chew in a little bit more to your time, more than no doubt was allocated to me, 0.99

01:29:10.060 I would say that my justification for opposing interracial marriage, I would not forbid it, 0.82

01:29:15.380 because I do believe in complete freedom of association. But to me, a healthy, self-affirming

01:29:22.200 person wants to continue what is best and even merely essential in himself. And if I, as a white

01:29:31.080 man, have a child that is not white, I've turned my back on generation after generation after 1.00

01:29:38.380 generation that married their own kind. I think it's entirely natural, normal, and healthy to 1.00

01:29:44.680 want one's grandchildren, to look like one's grandparents. That this is a kind of a loyalty

01:29:50.620 to a tradition, not just a social tradition, but in fact to a biological condition,

01:29:57.580 a biological tradition. And those who are positive about themselves will want what is essential to

01:30:04.520 themselves to be reflected in their descendants and their descendants' descendants. So that's

01:30:09.040 my view on interracial marriage. But anyway, well, thank you for allowing me to go over the allotted

01:30:16.160 time. No, this was great. Thank you for being generous with your time. Last thing. So where

01:30:20.560 can my listeners, if they want to read something or follow something, where do they go?

01:30:25.200 The website that I've been running for decades now is American Renaissance, and it is reachable

01:30:32.600 at amren.com. Also, I have gotten myself back on to X. I was booted from Twitter in 2017 and never

01:30:45.320 let back on. And so for the first time, I'm in violation of the terms of service, because once

01:30:53.100 you've been booted, you're not allowed back on unless you're invited back on. But I just barged

01:30:57.280 back on and uh if people are interested in my daily musings i'm at real jar taylor okay on x

01:31:07.120 okay so thank you very much for this invitation i enjoyed our conversation very much

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01:33:34.360 All right, we hope that you enjoyed that, I think,

01:33:38.880 incredibly fascinating discussion between myself

01:33:42.000 and Jared Taylor.

01:33:43.960 I was talking to him about his conception

01:33:46.120 of white nationhood, white peoplehood, viewing ourselves as a collective. And he, in preparing

01:33:55.100 for that interview, he was probably equally fascinated and interested in my views. He wanted

01:34:00.980 to understand a little bit more me being racially conscious, but putting the primary emphasis in

01:34:08.160 Christian nationalism rather than merely white nationalism. He wanted to see how that would work

01:34:13.400 and where we might overlap, and what the similarities might be, and what the distinctions

01:34:18.740 might be. And I've said several times, I'll say again, in that regard, I would not be comfortable

01:34:26.040 describing myself as a race essentialist. I believe what's essential, and what I'm using,

01:34:32.620 the way I'm using the phrase there, is because I believe that religion is more important than race.

01:34:37.840 So I see Christian first, Christ first, but I would feel comfortable, you know, even though a lot of people will slander and twist and pervert what I'm about to say and make it, you know, some kind of form of hatred and say that I'm a racist.

01:34:57.980 I would reject race essentialism, but I would accept race realism, an acknowledgement that race is a real category, that race is a biblical category, that it can be squared with Scripture, that there are distinctions among the races, and distinctions necessarily create disparities.

01:35:19.140 nobody has to be happy about that but that that is uh inevitable and true and uh and that there

01:35:27.640 is a sense in which god's ordinary normative plan for peoples cultures and nations uh includes

01:35:34.820 races not just creeds not just propositions not just ideologies but uh race as an extension of

01:35:43.340 the family and that races ordinarily, according to God's normative plan, would live together.

01:35:50.220 And so I believe that the diversity we all as Christians should long for in the eternal state

01:35:58.060 of heaven, every tribe, tongue, and nation does not actually occur without some kind of

01:36:04.760 racial preservation in the temporal realm here on earth. If we blend all the races and all peoples

01:36:13.140 here on earth, if diversity stops here, then diversity does not actually occur in heaven.

01:36:21.080 So I think that this is a perfectly permissible view, that it's not an immoral view or a view

01:36:28.080 that includes some kind of sinful, unjustifiable hatred for whole swaths of other people. I think

01:36:36.840 it's undeniable. It is, I admit, currently still outside of the Overton window, and so

01:36:42.360 most people who are npcs and simply have the chip in the back of their head are programmed in a

01:36:49.000 certain way they can't help but hear these kinds of things and uh and immediately indict the person

01:36:55.520 who's espousing them as being sinful as being um as being hateful but that's simply not true so

01:37:04.720 that's the main difference i think between jared and i is that i i simply am going to put um a lot

01:37:11.020 more emphasis on the Christian peace, because at the end of the day, I am a Christian, after all,

01:37:16.680 and a Christian minister. But I think that one of the great problems and dangers is that right now,

01:37:26.540 this isn't the way that Christians have always thought, but currently many Christians who share

01:37:32.400 my emphasis of Christ first, they have been hoodwinked into thinking that in order to be

01:37:40.520 truly pure in the Christian side of the equation, that they must disclude any racial component at

01:37:48.120 all, that they have to believe that race doesn't even exist. You know, we're one race, the human

01:37:54.160 race. We've all descended from Adam and Eve, and that is true. We are all descendants of Adam and

01:37:59.260 Eve, and then the second time with the flood, all descendants of Noah. But we know that although

01:38:05.100 we all share the same ancestral head with Adam and Eve and then Noah and his wife, I

01:38:13.580 still, at the end of the day, when writing my personal will, when it comes to inheritance

01:38:19.860 that will be given, I'm not writing every child in the world, excuse me, into my will.

01:38:26.120 I'm writing my biological children.

01:38:29.360 And so we still understand that although we share a common ancestry with Adam and Eve,

01:38:34.460 there are still distinctions. We think that when it comes to our inheritance that we give,

01:38:39.960 we're not going to give them to everyone's children, we're going to give them to our

01:38:43.460 children. And so when we think of a nation, I think there's a component of a nation being

01:38:48.980 the extended family, and that is more than simply blood and soil, or people and place,

01:38:57.780 lineage and land, but it's not less. It includes liturgy, religion, laws, loves, traditions,

01:39:06.840 language. These things are included when we think of nationhood. But if we only include those things

01:39:14.820 as a substitute and don't include at all lineage and land, people and place, then we're thinking

01:39:21.280 about nations and peoples in a way that no one has ever thought about it before, including

01:39:27.280 our Christian ancestors, and we're thinking about nationhood in a way that the Bible doesn't

01:39:34.240 describe nationhood. And so in that regard, there was plenty of overlap between myself and Jared,

01:39:41.660 and the main distinction was simply emphasis. We both agree in a racial realism, and we both agree

01:39:49.140 that Christianity is a positive influence in the world and that it matters. The main distinction

01:39:54.420 between our two views is simply what gets the greater emphasis. For him, it would be white

01:40:00.220 first, Christian second. For me, it would be Christian first, and that's the main difference. 0.95

01:40:06.100 Wes and Antonio, what do you think about the discussion? I think it was a great interview.

01:40:11.940 Jared's obviously been doing decades worth of research, and to commend him looking at crime

01:40:16.700 statistics, this is something he's written extensively about, knowing everything he knows,

01:40:20.840 and in many ways feeling as though he was shouting into the void. He used those very words

01:40:24.980 himself to describe it. He hasn't become bitter or jaded or angry or hateful. He's really a

01:40:31.400 cheerful old man. And he said multiple times, this isn't about hate. This isn't about just

01:40:36.320 indiscriminate, kicking people out or anything like that. He's saying, I just, I love my people.

01:40:42.420 It's overflowed into, I want to care for these people that are quickly becoming a global minority.

01:40:47.220 And I think everyone should aspire to that, that as much as you know about the things that are wrong in the world, also aspire to be a jolly warrior.

01:40:55.420 And there's some senses in which Jared Taylor, long in the fight, decades in the fight, that he embodies that.

01:41:00.460 A cheerful warrior who's trudged on and said, this is the one thing that I've made my mission. 0.94

01:41:05.920 And to your point, Joel, the emphasis, the race versus the Christian, what I want people to come away with this,

01:41:11.100 because there's lots of people that tuned in for Jared, and they've really never heard the Christian side of things,

01:41:15.740 or they've never heard a Christian come out and defend the existence of nations,

01:41:19.980 the reality of borders, the necessity of caring for your own race.

01:41:24.220 The beautiful thing, and you saw it as you guys agreed, probably about 80% agreement,

01:41:28.540 is that Christianity is never opposed to natural duties.

01:41:32.140 The gospel never comes in conflict with your duty to your family.

01:41:35.840 There is no Christian ever that has said,

01:41:38.600 well, I can obey God and my family starves, or I can feed my family and disobey God.

01:41:44.040 The duties laid out for us in the Christian religion are never to the detriment and the

01:41:49.440 destruction of our natural affections. They're never to the destruction of our family. And so

01:41:54.800 very often you'll see there's not a dichotomy. Well, I could care for religion, but I have to 0.70

01:42:00.440 see my people destroyed. Or I could care for my people, but religion wouldn't matter. The two, 1.00

01:42:05.380 grace and nature, come together and they elevate each other. We have all these examples. I think

01:42:10.080 of Moses, Pharaoh, let my people go. My people, the people descended from Abraham that have been

01:42:17.260 given promises. Paul in Romans, he says, I would be happy to go to hell for the sake of my kinsmen,

01:42:23.140 that they would know Christ. And he literally says, the sake of my kinsmen, according to the

01:42:27.800 flesh. So Paul, I mean, think about that. If you over-spiritualize that, it doesn't even make

01:42:32.700 logical sense. If the apostle Paul was speaking in a spiritual category, my people, according to

01:42:38.620 Christ according to faith. I'd be willing to go to hell for people who already are saved from hell.

01:42:45.120 That doesn't make any sense. He's saying, I would be willing to go to hell if there was an allowance

01:42:51.120 that I could take the place of my kinsmen according to the flesh who currently are going to hell

01:42:56.600 because of their unbelief and rejection of Christ. Paul doesn't say that about Indians. He doesn't

01:43:02.180 say that about Ugandans. He doesn't say that about Americans for that matter. He's saying that

01:43:06.900 about his people according to the flesh naturally speaking let my people go like moses i'm sure at

01:43:14.500 that point that there were probably it would have been the minority but there were probably some

01:43:18.460 egyptians that had put faith after 10 plagues in egypt and seeing the the power manifest of yahweh

01:43:25.760 that he was the true god there were probably some that had actually in a spiritual capacity put faith

01:43:32.000 in the God of Israel and made that spiritual conversion. But Moses is not talking about

01:43:38.760 letting them go because they're not in bondage. He's talking about his people according to the

01:43:43.640 flesh. Let my people go. Not spiritual Israelites, but natural Israelites. And that was a good 1.00

01:43:50.340 instinct guided by the Lord, nothing to apologize for. And in fact, if it was missing, right? When

01:43:57.360 does Moses begin to care in the first place? He begins to care when he realizes his ancestry.

01:44:04.160 It's when Moses realizes that he himself is a Hebrew, right? That he actually is not an Egyptian,

01:44:11.020 but rather a Hebrew. And he realizes that he comes from Hebrew parents, that that's the point where

01:44:16.660 everything begins to change. Moses was walking around watching Egyptians whip and beat their

01:44:22.320 Hebrew slaves for years, for decades. And he was watching it with ultimately a calloused heart,

01:44:30.040 didn't really care one way or the other. Then all of a sudden he finds out that he himself

01:44:34.220 is a Hebrew. Then he sees an Egyptian beating a slave and he kills him. He kills the Egyptian 0.99

01:44:43.200 and then has to run away out of fear for his life. Well, what was the change? This is before 0.65

01:44:48.660 the burning bush. This is before he heard the audible voice of God. This is before any of

01:44:52.680 those things occurred, before any miracles had taken place, any manifest signs of the power of

01:44:57.980 God. This is simply Moses coming into just the knowledge of who his people were. And all of a

01:45:06.820 sudden, his affections change. And that's a very natural, good, right, and ordered change of

01:45:13.460 affection. And he's commended in Hebrews for letting the prince, being a prince, go. He lays

01:45:19.160 aside all the riches of Egypt that could have been his. He could have worshipped the true God

01:45:23.460 as prince and lived a pretty luxurious life, but he's commended as a father, as one who had faith

01:45:29.940 for letting that go and being bound to his natural people. And so the two are never at conflict. Well,

01:45:36.120 I could care about my people, I could care about my nation, I could care about my fathers,

01:45:39.640 or could care about the spiritual no the two of them come together grace and nature and we we

01:45:45.480 recognize this so recently i think of tolkien and the lord of the rings and the final scene in the

01:45:50.580 fellowship where aragorn is comforting boromir and he says i do not know what strength is within

01:45:55.240 my blood already scary right there he says but i will not let the white city fall or my people

01:46:00.800 fail and at the very end what makes him such an incredible king is that he actually brings together

01:46:05.200 these two groups of people that don't really like each other and you could liken the race of men

01:46:09.100 the race of dwarves, the race of elves, not to be a little bit too nerdy, two different people

01:46:13.220 sharing a common lineage that have their own sets of interests. And what Aragorn does at the final

01:46:17.680 end is they make their stand, as he says, band together, not just Gondor, not just Rohan,

01:46:23.060 but men of the West. You people that I'm related to, that we share this common fate, let's come

01:46:29.220 together and make our stand. Everybody knew this. I mean, that movie was filmed 26 years ago,

01:46:34.360 the return of the king came out 2001 just 25 years ago everyone understood yeah you can talk

01:46:39.940 about the blood that runs through the line of kings you can talk about caring for your people 0.97

01:46:44.720 now nowhere in there was aragorn like i will not let our people fail but the dwarves can suck it

01:46:49.960 no but i'm king of my people and i'm going to bring us together and that's what makes him such

01:46:54.640 a good king and so i really liked what jared had to say great discussion joel as well the pushback

01:47:00.040 Thank you. And, you know, 1 Corinthians 15, it does say the natural comes first and then the

01:47:05.000 spiritual. The spiritual is the highest and it is the ultimate and it is ultimately our final

01:47:11.540 eternal state. It is what we aim for being resurrected, not just with a new physical body,

01:47:16.080 but a spiritual body like unto the Lord. So the natural does matter, but the spiritual is ultimate.

01:47:21.580 The spiritual is of infinite value and it's what we will enjoy for eternity. Right. It's interesting

01:47:26.860 as you were talking about Moses being willing to give up, you know, his inheritance as a prince

01:47:32.680 of Egypt in order to unite himself and identify with his people as a collective and say, these

01:47:38.260 are my people and I speak for them. You know, Hebrews is using that as indicative even of Christ.

01:47:46.200 Christ is the better Moses. And it's, you know, it's almost feels scandalous to say, so I need 0.80

01:47:52.640 to say it carefully so that I don't cross over any theological boundaries here. But God, the God

01:47:58.260 head, the triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, who has loved his people before the foundations

01:48:03.980 of the world were even laid, knowing who would belong to him, knowing whom Christ would die for,

01:48:10.020 who would believe in him and trust in him and inherit eternal life. God has always perfectly

01:48:14.840 loved us. So it's not as though there was a lack of love on the part of God until the incarnation

01:48:21.120 and Christ took on flesh. So I'm not saying that. However, Hebrews also elsewhere in that letter

01:48:28.240 speaks about Christ and his ability to be a merciful high priest on the basis of him taking

01:48:35.200 upon himself a second nature, namely the human nature, and therefore being able to associate

01:48:41.220 with humanity, being able to be an understanding high priest, being able to relate to us

01:48:47.740 in our weaknesses, in our humanity. So even God, in other words, the second member, second person

01:48:54.240 rather, of the Trinity, the Son, upon his incarnation, when he took on a human nature and

01:49:01.100 shared flesh with us, shared the natural, the human nature, shared a nature with us,

01:49:09.160 even the scripture speaks of that incredible miracle of the incarnation as one of the reasons

01:49:16.880 why Christ is particularly merciful. And so even in the case of God, there's a sense in which

01:49:25.460 the natural bond in the incarnation is what the author to the Hebrews, inspired by the Holy

01:49:32.100 Spirit, cites as one of the reasons for his immense mercy, compassion, and kindness towards us.

01:49:38.320 Yeah, and I would just say Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection fundamentally and

01:49:44.180 preeminently eliminates the hostility between man and god the creation and the creator but also as a

01:49:51.140 consequence of that you you can imagine these distinct peoples the consequence is also the

01:49:56.020 elimination of hostility between the peoples not a dissolution of them altogether there's still it's

01:50:01.380 still a real physical created category but they can actually recognize their differences i think

01:50:07.460 going back to the lord of the rings example the dwarves and the elves and the men working together

01:50:12.580 though distinct, but also having eliminated the hostility in the face of a common enemy.

01:50:18.560 And that's sort of what we can recognize in Christ, both at the spiritual level, what he's

01:50:24.500 done, but also at the physical level. And this goes back to this idea, because you'll get these

01:50:29.500 accusations of, okay, when you're racially conscious, that makes you necessarily racist,

01:50:34.440 or that means that your recognition of race as a category, it's generated by some antipathy.

01:50:40.120 The only reason you'd ever use this word is to set yourself above someone or opposition or subjugate.

01:50:45.820 That's the only possible use we would have for this idea.

01:50:47.940 Yeah, and I think in the Christian frame, you actually can reject that altogether and say,

01:50:51.220 no, we can recognize the categories and not be motivated by antipathy,

01:50:55.540 but actually motivated by a desire to be hospitable toward one another,

01:51:00.280 to care for one another in the ways that we can, though we're distinct and in different geographies.

01:51:04.320 But that's the hope of the gospel.

01:51:05.660 And so it doesn't negate what Christ has done.

01:51:07.600 And actually, is it just simply another expression and a more obvious sort of physical expression of what Christ has done for men?

01:51:15.140 Right. Isaiah even speaks of, to your point, that there is a day that is coming where the nations will no longer know war.

01:51:22.960 What is not said is that the world will no longer know nations, but that the nations would no longer know war,

01:51:29.320 that they would beat their swords into plowshares, their spears into pruning hooks,

01:51:35.520 meaning that there would be an emphasis and a shifting to productivity rather than defense

01:51:42.060 and fighting because the nations would be at peace. But what the Bible never speaks of is a

01:51:46.760 time where the nations would not exist. They're still nations, they're still distinct, but what

01:51:51.620 has ultimately, by the power of the gospel, dissipated is not nationhood itself, not distinct

01:51:57.440 peoples themselves, but hostility among those peoples towards one another. That's what the

01:52:02.940 gospel does. And we know that the gospel unites us in love for our fellow man, and it also unites

01:52:09.720 people when it comes to the universal invisible church, the lowercase c, you know, Holy Catholic

01:52:16.020 Church. So that in the sense of the church, spiritually speaking, there really is neither

01:52:21.980 Jew nor Greek. But that does not say that every nation, therefore, has to be made up of its metrics,

01:52:30.200 an even percentage of 3% of these people and 3% of these people.

01:52:35.860 That's not what Galatians is speaking of.

01:52:38.740 That's not what Ephesians is speaking of.

01:52:41.200 It's speaking of that hostility among the nations towards one another 0.96

01:52:46.300 to be broken down because we see one another as Christian brothers.

01:52:50.820 And it's speaking of the church collective no longer having a dividing wall,

01:52:57.540 but rather being able to say that all people who have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ are,

01:53:03.140 spiritually speaking, my brother. But none of that says that nations in this temporal age

01:53:10.680 would somehow dissolve, and that therefore we shouldn't have borders, and everyone should be

01:53:16.180 able to live anywhere they want and be a part of any country that they want. That's perverting the

01:53:22.520 text. Yeah, and you would also say that in Galatians there, there's neither

01:53:26.340 Jew nor Greek, the connotative meaning is obviously spiritual, because the metaphysical

01:53:32.580 category wasn't destroyed. Like, there were obviously still Jews and Greeks in the early

01:53:37.980 church. You recognize the differences, you recognize the origin of nationality, but we

01:53:43.520 can also say Scripture is inerrant and infallible, and that is still true. So how is it true? It can 0.99

01:53:48.700 only be true in the spiritual sense right babble you know people say well pentecost right when all

01:53:54.420 of a sudden these tongues of fire are resting above the the 72 gathered in the upper room

01:54:01.060 above their heads and they are supernaturally empowered by the holy spirit to preach the gospel

01:54:06.360 in different tongues from all the different people that were gathered in that region for

01:54:11.280 that particular event so that different peoples of different nations and different languages might

01:54:16.220 hear the gospel in their own native tongue and comprehend and then be able to take the gospel

01:54:21.920 back with them to kickstart the New Testament church, people will look at that event in Acts

01:54:27.780 chapter 2, Pentecost, and say, see, this is the reversal of Babel, right? And Babel is where we 0.94

01:54:32.220 have, you know, the table of nations, you know, with Genesis 10 and Genesis 11. But one of the

01:54:38.400 things that's so practical and yet so quickly overlooked, but it's right there glaring you in

01:54:44.320 the face. God's confusion, original confusing and dividing of the languages at Babel was permanent,

01:54:52.860 whereas Pentecost was temporary. Notice that at Pentecost, this supernatural work of the Holy

01:55:01.320 Spirit did not cause everyone to speak the same language. It caused a few to be able to speak

01:55:07.620 different languages of the people who were represented there at that time and only able

01:55:13.700 to speak those different languages for a very short period of time in order to accomplish the

01:55:19.160 task at hand, which was to give those people in their languages to bring back to their nations

01:55:24.280 and their kinsmen the truth of the gospel. But everyone after Pentecost continued to speak

01:55:30.460 different languages, and so too, 2,000 years now removed, that's still the case. We have multiple

01:55:37.180 nations and multiple different languages, so it's the gospel going forth into the nations. It's not

01:55:42.660 all the nations becoming one and coming into the gospel. And so Pentecost is not a reversal of

01:55:49.440 Babel. Babel is a judgment from God wrapped in mercy to expedite what seems to be, by way of 0.96

01:55:57.640 implication, God's plan all along, that peoples would be fruitful and multiply, that they would 1.00

01:56:02.640 spread out and fill the world, and over time, in separating, peoples would differentiate based off

01:56:09.340 of climates in different places, and different dialects would emerge that would devolve into

01:56:13.860 different languages. There would have been different peoples. Some would live closer to

01:56:18.160 the equator, and some would live further. People would have different appearances over time as the

01:56:23.220 centuries and thousands of years went by. Babel simply worked as a catalyst to get mankind to do 0.94

01:56:30.820 what God had implicitly already written into the cultural mandate from the very beginning. And what

01:56:37.800 was happening at Babel before God came down and confused their languages is that man was rebelling

01:56:42.640 against God, both in pride, trying to make a name for himself, but also in just blatant disobedience.

01:56:49.800 They literally said, let us build a tower that stretches to the heavens that we might be as God

01:56:54.620 and make a great name for ourselves so that we will not be separated, scattered among the earth.

01:57:01.220 But the cultural mandate from the very beginning was be fruitful and multiply and take dominion,

01:57:07.100 go and spread out and cover the face of the earth. So God intended for there to be different

01:57:12.100 peoples and nations. It would have happened naturally because man rebelled. God caused it

01:57:17.860 in an expedited fashion to happen supernaturally at Babel. Pentecost was also a supernatural event,

01:57:24.680 but it was a temporary supernatural event for spiritual purposes of disseminating the gospel

01:57:30.660 and not a permanent reversal, as Babel was. Babel was a permanent confusing of the languages,

01:57:37.600 whereas Pentecost was a temporary aligning of the languages, but where the distinctions

01:57:43.120 very quickly came back into play. That's how we should understand the script. These are basic

01:57:48.780 things, and at a certain point you have to realize when you're talking to someone,

01:57:53.020 when something is so clear and so basic, you eventually have to ask the question,

01:57:58.860 And it's not that you can't understand this.

01:58:02.180 It's very clear that you won't.

01:58:04.700 There's actually a moral inhibitor.

01:58:08.200 This is not simply, oh, well, this person doesn't have the intellect to grasp the concept. 0.94

01:58:13.820 Because, again, people, including Christians, have never thought the way that we think today. 0.74

01:58:19.800 Never. 0.97

01:58:20.640 So that's where it begins to beg the question.

01:58:23.220 It's not as though we finally, for the first time in human history, have a moral generation.

01:58:27.360 I find that very hard to believe, considering that this is also the generation that, in America alone, murders a million babies in their mother's womb annually.

01:58:36.000 So that doesn't seem to fit as an explanation.

01:58:39.640 Well, you know, this is the first time people thought this way, but it's also the first time that we've ever had a moral upstanding generation, you know. 0.93

01:58:45.540 But everybody's a whore, and everyone murders their babies, and, you know, people are strung out on substance abuse.

01:58:51.700 And, you know, but yeah, this is the first moral generation that's, no, that doesn't, that dog won't hunt. 1.00

01:58:57.360 So then the question is like, well, maybe it's the dumbest generation that's ever existed. 1.00

01:59:01.600 And because everybody is literally in a literal sense, you know, stupid, nobody can grasp 1.00

01:59:09.040 the concept, but that's not true. 0.99

01:59:10.880 We have rocket scientists and surgeons and, you know, and this, that, and the other.

01:59:14.980 So then it really comes down to, oh, we're deceived.

01:59:18.920 This generation is particularly deceived.

01:59:21.540 There's some kind of incentive, whether it's just going along to get along, right?

01:59:26.060 just being accepted in the current consensus, you know, so whether it's the fear of man or

01:59:32.700 whether it's this or whether it's that, there's some moral reason, some inhibiting moral reason

01:59:40.420 for why people refuse to think clearly about this issue and instinctively will condemn anyone who's

01:59:49.980 articulating the things that we are as though we're somehow wicked. And that is worth your

01:59:56.460 contemplation. That's worth giving some thought to. Why? What are the reasons? Okay. Yeah. I just

02:00:02.720 wanted to add one quick thing as it relates to the discussion, and just one other way you can

02:00:07.840 kind of conceive of the distinctions between you, Joel, and Jared, is the work of looking back into

02:00:15.760 history and actually interpreting history, and in this particular case, American history,

02:00:20.500 it's difficult work to be able to discern, okay, what made—so we're going through this

02:00:26.500 enterprise of the new Christian right, which is all about regaining something that was lost in

02:00:31.980 Western civilization. And you look back in Western civilization, and you see it was predominantly 0.94

02:00:36.260 white, but you also see it was predominantly Christian. And there are so many other variables

02:00:40.200 as well that you could argue led to the greatness of the West. And this is the work of looking back

02:00:46.060 and saying, what was it exactly? What was it per se? What was it necessarily that made the West

02:00:51.700 great? And there's going to be people with altering perspectives on that. Some people might

02:00:56.540 say it was specifically the fact that it was a white civilization. Some people will say it was

02:01:02.320 only because it was a Christian civilization. And you have to achieve at some point, as you look

02:01:06.560 back into history and no man is, we really are just men and we're not omniscient. You have to

02:01:11.000 achieve some form of synthesis that you can project forward and say, this is what we need to achieve.

02:01:16.300 We learn from history. We synthesize history and all of its variables in the West. And we have to

02:01:21.540 create some path forward, a positive vision for where we go. And that's the work that's being done

02:01:26.320 in discussions like this. Yep. Agreed. Okay. Do us a favor. And right now, please subscribe on

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02:02:35.580 start with the first one. Wes, I'll let you take it. All right. Let's hit our Rumble one first.

02:02:40.480 We normally hit them at the end, but AusBoss52 sent $10 and said, I've been familiar with the

02:02:45.620 guest for years. Glad to see him on NXR. Glad you enjoyed it. Cool. Awesome. Go ahead, Antonio.

02:02:51.720 Phil Org, jumping now over to YouTube Super Chats.

02:02:54.280 Phil Org sent $10 and is asking,

02:02:56.820 how can we whites went over mixed race people to our side

02:03:00.100 to sear through this left Democrat Party tactic of dividing America? 0.77

02:03:06.020 Perfect question for you.

02:03:07.140 Perfect question for me. 1.00

02:03:08.100 I would say mixed race people have no role. 1.00

02:03:13.740 No, I think going back to what you talked about, Joel, 1.00

02:03:18.360 these realities, I'm thinking specifically on race and nationality, these realities that are

02:03:25.120 so evident or should be so evident that people, I think, mostly publicly refuse to deny. I would

02:03:31.260 argue that is mostly a social consensus. I think in private, you'll be surprised to find people

02:03:36.120 acknowledge distinctions between peoples and races and those sorts of things. There's just

02:03:41.380 a lot of pressure that precludes people from willing to be outspoken about those things

02:03:46.620 publicly. And that said, if we think about mixed race people specifically, um, it's been my

02:03:51.480 experience and some people could say, I'm mixed race. I disagree with you, but it's been my

02:03:54.760 experience, not only in my own life, but, but knowing other mixed race, uh, people that it is

02:04:00.380 something that is particularly felt the realities of race, the realities of ethnicity. When you're

02:04:05.080 drawn between two, two distinct cultures, you feel that you feel that imminently when you relate to

02:04:11.760 one people and how you relate to another people on either side of your family perhaps. And so I

02:04:17.600 think for them in particular, this liberal or postmodern conception or really just the

02:04:24.060 dissolution of distinctions between people is an absurd thought to them on its face. And I think

02:04:30.380 even in that specific realm, you're going to have mixed race people predominantly siding with 1.00

02:04:37.100 this the the more right wing conception of race and so i think that that is an easy win i would

02:04:43.200 say more largely though it's it's really it becomes really difficult i think to win over

02:04:47.760 just this mixed race specific people specifically they tend to like identify with one more than the

02:04:54.280 other and that's a product of you know how they grew up whether they were more around their parents

02:04:59.220 family or their mom's family or dad's family so it's i think it's really difficult outside of that

02:05:03.600 to actually win people, if you want to call them white adjacent, whatever you want to call them,

02:05:08.160 win people, I think, by separating them from their sort of culture identification. So it's a good 0.76

02:05:13.860 question. It's a tough question. I think the jury's still out a little bit. I would add too,

02:05:18.140 I mean, if 90% of the world is non-white, so then you have a minority, it just goes for anyone, 0.95

02:05:22.580 mixed race, non-white. There is a sense of common humanity that you can appeal to. I mean, we just

02:05:27.280 saw over the last five years, many American whites were very much so, they felt it when they heard 0.82

02:05:33.580 that blacks were being hunted down by police and shot and killed in police shootings by the

02:05:37.380 thousands, that just for being black, they were discriminated at their jobs and they were paid 0.99

02:05:41.180 less. And if those things had all been true, when we looked at the statistics, they actually

02:05:45.180 cops weren't shooting on our black men. When we look at the statistics, it was white men that

02:05:49.680 were being discriminated against. But imagine it was true that these things were happening.

02:05:53.540 And many people believed it was. They very much so felt even not being black themselves,

02:05:58.160 there's an injustice going on. And so part of it is just education. Even if you're not white,

02:06:02.580 you can look and say, hey, there's a group of people that are being killed just for being white. 0.97

02:06:06.760 There's a group of people, white women, that are uniquely vulnerable to attacks from other people 0.92

02:06:10.720 and have been systematically exploited and groomed and assaulted.

02:06:14.320 There's a group of people that are not hired just for being male and being white.

02:06:17.980 And on that angle alone, you can say, it doesn't matter who these people are, 0.72

02:06:21.540 but this is their identity, and they have become a global minority.

02:06:24.800 They're being discriminated against.

02:06:26.540 People hate them literally just for the color of their skin, not the content of their character or anything like that.

02:06:31.280 there really is something that you can appeal to a reasonable person and they can say,

02:06:35.580 yeah, even though that's not me, I'm not in that boat. That's terrible. I feel for that. That sucks.

02:06:40.660 And I want to be someone who stands up and says, no, anti-white discrimination is a terrible thing. 1.00

02:06:45.420 Well said.

02:06:46.300 All right. The next super chat comes from Sarah Vincent. And she says,

02:06:51.440 can you ask Jared, can you ask him his opinion on the gospel and race? I know that his parents

02:06:59.080 were missionaries and that he must have his own opinion. Thanks so much. I spoke to Jared Taylor

02:07:07.160 at length on the phone before actually hosting this interview, and those were some of the

02:07:13.540 questions that I had for him. I wanted to know behind the scenes before interviewing him exactly

02:07:19.640 where he was on Christianity. And yeah, he shared that with me, that he has parents that were

02:07:28.000 missionaries and grandparents as well, and within his personal family tree, multiple

02:07:34.640 Christian ministers. And so he certainly comes from that line, that lineage of strong Christians

02:07:42.340 in his family background. And from what he expressed to me, he cares very much about

02:07:49.880 Christianity. It's kind of like what he said in the interview. I think he is hesitant. Now,

02:07:55.560 obviously this is one of the areas where i profoundly disagree but i understand his position

02:08:00.720 although i disagree with it for his purposes he wants to see white people not eventually go

02:08:08.280 extinct and so he is trying to because that's his main mission he's trying to ultimately

02:08:15.220 focus his attention on that you know that common denominator and trying to you know that he knows

02:08:23.920 that if he's particularly known for Christianity or particularly known for a guy who wants to

02:08:31.200 repeal the 19th amendment, then, you know, then he might be able to win over whites who are

02:08:37.280 Christians, but not whites who are non-Christians or whites who are male, but not whites who are

02:08:43.320 female. And so because he has a broad focus, narrow in the sense that there's one hill that

02:08:51.820 he's willing to die on, but broad in the sense of his intended audience wanting to be able to

02:08:58.020 compel and persuade and win over as many white people as possible, he's trying not to narrow it

02:09:04.980 any further than that. In terms of personally, I don't think that that means at a personal level

02:09:11.240 in terms of his actual salvation, whether or not he is a Christian, whether or not he loves the

02:09:17.800 Lord Jesus Christ, I don't think that that strategy that he's taken necessitates that he is not a

02:09:25.400 Christian or that he doesn't love the Lord. I think he's simply looking at his professional

02:09:30.720 public-facing career, and it would be similar to, you know, there could be a strong Christian

02:09:36.720 scientist, you know, or a strong Christian engineer, or a strong Christian X, Y, and Z,

02:09:42.940 fill in the blank, who, you know, in his public career, in his meetings with fellow colleagues,

02:09:49.920 as he's doing, you know, certain lectures or presentations, he presents, you know, a bunch of

02:09:56.520 different formulas for his engineering theory and doesn't include within his lecture, half of it

02:10:06.480 being a gospel presentation. That's okay, and that doesn't call into question

02:10:13.140 whether or not that individual is a Christian. So I think that the strategy that he's deployed

02:10:19.740 in his public-facing career, his public person, is one issue. He wants to see white people 0.78

02:10:29.700 and the global white population stabilized, and he wants to see white people thrive and not 0.57

02:10:38.360 disappear. And so he's trying beyond that to keep his message as broad as possible. But personally,

02:10:45.540 that's publicly, personally, there was nothing in my conversations with him

02:10:50.540 that would give me any definitive sense that Jared Taylor is not a Christian. Now, that may be the

02:10:57.900 case, but nothing to my knowledge. I interpreted the question more as asking how he feels as though

02:11:04.520 the gospel interfaces with race and would potentially change or modify races. We did an

02:11:09.520 episode last year. People loved it. The gospel changes genetics. Super simple title. Who could

02:11:14.180 disagree with that thesis? But one of the arguments we made was that, not in 15 minutes, not quickly,

02:11:19.080 but over time, the Christian lifestyle, the gospel coming to a people, the lifestyle it brings with

02:11:24.880 the care for the natural order, the way of living that doesn't include promiscuity and drug abuse

02:11:29.580 and alcoholism, dietary restrictions, all of those things, if race just means a common shared

02:11:35.260 lineage, that they would get to a point that a people embracing the gospel wholesale would make

02:11:39.540 them smarter, it would make them healthier, it would make them more peaceful, it would make them

02:11:43.660 more commodious. And so that's how I interpreted the question. We didn't get into that. I will say

02:11:49.420 within the range of just race realism, there's guys, and I would think Jared Taylor, I don't

02:11:53.880 think it would be unfair to him, I think we'd answer this as well. There are some on the far

02:11:57.480 end that they would say, I think it's actually pretty fixed. So we know that IQ, for example,

02:12:02.000 it's about 50 to 70% inheritable. That means 50 to 70% of it, the bounds of it generally on average

02:12:07.700 have been set. But we would also say, hey, there's 30 to 50% that's influenced. It's influenced by

02:12:12.620 if you breastfeed, it's influenced by if you're a victim of domestic abuse, it's influenced by

02:12:16.820 early education, it's influenced by the quality of the nutrition that you get. So we would say,

02:12:21.360 hey there's a good amount that's inherited and you can change by lifestyle slowly slowly over

02:12:27.280 time i think guys like jared would say i would maybe place it more like 90 95 percent inheritable

02:12:32.720 you can make small improvements by all these different things but broadly speaking the bucket

02:12:37.080 is relatively permanent that's a term i've used some guys say but he didn't get into on the show

02:12:42.220 i think that would be probably similar to his view um but yeah i think you're right okay uh the next

02:12:49.520 question comes from Beat, and he says, for more people to be married, would you also advocate for

02:12:56.760 dissolving spousal alimony, child support, courts favoring mothers over fathers with lies? This is

02:13:06.740 the real way for marriage to come back, as well as dismantling the courts of feminist ideology.

02:13:13.920 Yeah, we think that all that is absolutely vital. I agree with you 100%. Really appreciate

02:13:19.340 the generous super chat means a lot. But yes, we think that right now there are very little

02:13:26.000 incentives. And in fact, there are many liabilities, legal liabilities towards those

02:13:32.080 who choose marriage. And so a healthy society would incentivize marriage. They would, you know,

02:13:39.320 for instance, this is just hypothetical, but they might say that with each child, we're going to

02:13:43.800 shave off a percentage of your property taxes, you know, and if you reach a certain threshold,

02:13:48.260 you wouldn't pay certain taxes at all because you have this many children or the mother of

02:13:53.980 you know six children or maybe it's eight children that she would be honored even publicly there would

02:13:59.880 be some kind of celebration once a year we honor the mothers within our society who have opted for

02:14:06.820 having several children and we give that a place of of deference and and esteem and so there are

02:14:15.360 things that can be done and must be done. And if they're not, then yes, it doesn't mean that you

02:14:22.260 shouldn't marry. And now that you have an excuse, but it does mean that there's a very clear, not

02:14:27.500 excuse, but explanation for why young men are not eager to get married. So these things have to be

02:14:34.580 fixed. I don't think it's only that, but it's certainly not less than that. He left a second

02:14:40.800 comment as well another $10 super chat just continued it and said also no fault divorce is

02:14:45.740 the largest the most important of all is making covenant marriage normal and not having marriages

02:14:50.440 dictated by the government and what I would add to that so we mentioned spousal alimony child

02:14:55.080 supports and courts favoring mothers I think all of those are downstream of no fault divorces so

02:15:00.460 those are ways to partition money partition support for the child visitation after a divorce

02:15:05.700 has already happened so the biggest thing to get rid of I don't think it's child support or alimony

02:15:09.760 or these things. The biggest thing to get rid of is you being able to go to the courthouse and say,

02:15:14.800 I want a divorce from this person, and I don't have to give a reason. There should be clear,

02:15:18.900 strict reasons. We used to have them in this land. I am requesting a divorce because my husband has

02:15:24.180 been unfaithful and broken his marriage vows. I am requesting a divorce because he is an alcoholic

02:15:28.420 that beats me and the children. If majority of divorces were for those reasons, and then the

02:15:33.680 majority of those cases, the woman got custody because the man was a deadbeat, that's actually

02:15:38.300 not a problem. I would be okay with that as long as the reasons for divorce were themselves

02:15:42.740 biblical. So it's all downstream of it being easy to divorce. And then we have these messy

02:15:47.020 situations. Well, how do I deal with child support? How do I deal with the fact that he was the main

02:15:51.300 breadwinner and she has no career? How do I deal with alimony? Who has visitation? Those are real

02:15:56.240 questions that should be answered, but it's a lot easier to answer them when 98% of cases are taken

02:16:01.640 away. And the court looks at someone that says, we want to get divorced because we have irreconcilable

02:16:05.780 differences. The court says, pound sand and take a hike. You took a vow to one another in front of

02:16:10.020 God and in front of the civil magistrate. Figure it out. Unless there's something valid, we're not

02:16:14.340 going to get involved in this. We're not going to partition. We're not going to take his money.

02:16:17.500 We're not going to give the kids away. Stick in the house until you can afford to buy your own

02:16:20.980 houses. Yep, it's this economic principle that the government taxes what it wants to deny, and it

02:16:27.620 subsidizes the things it wants to promote. And you can see how these different policy prescriptions

02:16:33.560 and the government being involved in this way

02:16:35.800 has led through time, through the decades,

02:16:39.320 so many scenarios,

02:16:40.900 and we can all probably think of some in our personal life,

02:16:43.020 of just acrimonious divorces,

02:16:46.280 acrimonious fights, battles over children.

02:16:48.840 And not only that, but then in Hollywood too,

02:16:51.460 you can look at sort of cultural projection of these things.

02:16:54.440 It becomes the norm and it destroys this ideal of marriage

02:16:57.520 in that the collective psyche's conception of marriage

02:17:02.080 is one that ultimately leads to this decay and ultimately leads to this acrimony.

02:17:08.260 Yep. Okay, the next question. It comes from The Edge Row Whistle. It says,

02:17:15.520 Please distinguish or define race, biblical social order versus non-religious nationalism

02:17:23.540 and kinism in order to answer supremacy charges from people like Owen and Denning.

02:17:31.440 It's a good question. We can do our best to do that. Wes, why don't you start with this? I have

02:17:37.240 some thoughts, but I want to hear what you think, and maybe especially I'd like to hear you define

02:17:42.360 kinism. Sure. The way I would break down that difference, so they asked race, biblical social

02:17:48.640 order, one category, over and against non-religious nationalism, and kinism. The two, if I was to

02:17:54.440 actually steel man and honestly portray, I think the difference is that there were people that

02:17:58.800 would say what makes a commodious society is race plus religion. People descended from a common

02:18:04.560 ancestor sharing a religious order. That's what makes a commodious society. It's not just about

02:18:09.560 I'm literally biologically related. That would be, and there's guys like that. And Jared Taylor

02:18:13.960 himself said, neighbor could be a pagan white person. My neighbor could be a Jewish white 0.94

02:18:18.140 person. My neighbor could be a Christian white person. I just want to live next to a white 0.82

02:18:22.220 person. Whereas we would add to that and say, yeah, sharing a common lineage, sharing a history, 0.94

02:18:27.800 those things matter. But if you just literally have that and you're divided on morality and

02:18:32.220 you're divided on religion, it's not enough to necessarily make a high trust society that we

02:18:37.260 want. So the one side, it's race, which matters, plus religion, which ultimately matters. The other

02:18:43.120 side, some of them would just say, and it's just race and the religion could be this, it could be

02:18:47.360 that, it could be shared, it could not be shared. And that would be the definition. Kinism, as far

02:18:52.420 as the definition that you asked for, Joel, the best way I would think of it would be take our 0.87

02:18:56.140 position for example on interracial marriage and go a little bit stronger and harder on it and just

02:19:00.720 go as far as to say it could be or it would be in most cases for example sin to marry someone

02:19:06.300 outside of your race a lot of kinest still do maintain the orthodox christian confession so

02:19:10.940 they would say i would confess the westminster for example and they are very few and far between of

02:19:15.680 people that actually call themselves that but the most part they would place a stronger emphasis on

02:19:19.620 race than we would so that would be kinism and then what's the difference between someone like

02:19:24.100 us and them race plus religion people lineage plus god and christianity versus all i've got is

02:19:32.040 we share a common ancestor yeah and i think also for answering this question one thing that's

02:19:35.900 important is understanding the way that guys like owen and denny would define kinism for them when

02:19:41.720 they when they're levying the charge of kinism what they're asserting in their minds is that

02:19:48.380 You are someone who is asserting that you cannot ever marry outside of your race.

02:19:55.680 You're somebody who believes that interracial marriage is actually, in moral categories, inherently sinful, right? 0.96

02:20:03.100 In each and every situation.

02:20:05.120 And some of those guys would probably even, they would even assume further.

02:20:09.760 And they would say that you're a kinest, and the fine print is, aka, not only do you believe it's inherently sinful or immoral, but you also probably believe that segregation should be legislated, that it should be law, that interracial marriage is not only a sin, but should be treated by the civil magistrate as a crime, right?

02:20:30.660 Not just a sin, but a crime, and it should receive certain penalties.

02:20:33.680 um the bad faith actors in this conversation um those are the things that they're really trying

02:20:41.240 to convey um they're when they say you're a kinnist um what they're really doing a guy like

02:20:47.960 owen to be honest is what he really wants to say is you're a racist but he just knows that that

02:20:53.180 word has lost 2018 anymore exactly yeah he just knows like if i call joel levin a racist

02:20:58.520 then i'm going to be you know i'm going to get dragged i'm going to be you know made fun of

02:21:03.880 because uh because the left has overplayed its hand and you know and owen wants to maintain

02:21:09.080 that he's a conservative you know i'm not woke and really the only people who use the word racist are

02:21:15.320 people who are woke you know they're not just well-meaning christians who are conservative

02:21:20.280 no like the people who levy that charge and use that term you're a racist these aren't christians

02:21:25.700 we all know these are radical progressive marxist communists right these that's that's who uses

02:21:31.920 that kind of language and so i think part of it is just a tactic owen knows uh you can't really

02:21:37.220 say racist anymore and and still have your audience believe that you're meaningfully

02:21:43.140 conservative in any way so we had to come up with a new word uh that's not really had to go fishing

02:21:48.780 find something from the past so i'm going to say you know kinest um but again what what guys like

02:21:54.780 that, what they mean when they say, well, he's a kinnist, what they're saying is simply not what

02:22:00.560 my position actually is. They're saying this guy believes that interracial marriage is inherently

02:22:04.880 sinful in each and every case. He probably thinks that it should be a crime. He probably thinks that

02:22:09.900 segregation should be legislated. And it's just not true. My position, I think that freedom of

02:22:16.540 association should be restored. I don't believe that segregation should be legislated, that it

02:22:21.020 should be mandated. But I do think that people, if they wish, should be permitted to segregate,

02:22:26.040 even in the realm of sex, take race out of it. Right now, you can't even have a male-only gym

02:22:32.100 without receiving certain legal penalties. So think about that. If you're a man and you want

02:22:36.760 to get in shape, you either have to save up, you know, $1,000 to $1,200 to build a home gym in your

02:22:42.480 garage and sweat to death during the summer as you're trying to exercise, or you have to go to 1.00

02:22:47.000 a co-ed gym because it's all that exists and see women who are dressed in thongs as you try to 0.99

02:22:52.820 avoid temptation and be faithful to your wife. Those are your two options. I think that's 1.00

02:22:56.680 atrocious. I think that's ridiculous. I think at the level of school, I just agree with common 0.99

02:23:03.200 moderates like C.S. Lewis, who even argued in the Silver Chair in his Narnia series. He opens up

02:23:08.700 the book and talks about the school that Jill Pohl and Eustace Scrub were attending at that time.

02:23:13.340 it's the very first page and he says that the the school in a derogatory way he calls it the

02:23:19.980 experiment house and he's making fun of the school for being progressive and he says you know that 0.99

02:23:24.760 they um they were a nonsensical um you know idiotic uh school that uh that tried to educate boys and 0.96

02:23:33.200 girls and insisted that they should be in the same school rather than having an all-boys school and 0.99

02:23:38.420 an all-girls school. So this is, guys, C.S. Lewis, he's not even that old. Guys not that long ago,

02:23:44.700 good, Christian, moderate, C.S. Lewis was not a radical, they would have said that it's absurd

02:23:50.480 that you can't educate boys and girls separately because they're distinct, they're different. And so

02:23:56.320 all that being said, you know, my position, I've articulated it several times, but once more I've

02:24:02.000 officiated interracial marriages. What I would do pastorally is I would simply say, hey,

02:24:07.640 you know, let's talk about in-laws. Let's talk about money. Let's talk about children. Let's

02:24:13.120 talk about all the things that you would typically do in marriage counseling. And I would simply add

02:24:17.320 one more topic to the discussion. I would say, let's also talk about the fact that you are two

02:24:22.440 different people, different races, and different cultures, and there are going to be added

02:24:27.960 challenges. You need to be aware of this. If you really feel called to get married, then it is

02:24:34.340 biblically permissible, it is not a sin, and I will officiate the wedding, and it's a valid

02:24:40.180 marriage in the sight of God. And you can love your wife as Christ loves the church and submit

02:24:46.520 to your husband as the church submits to Christ and model the eternal wedding that exists between 0.65

02:24:51.820 Christ and his bride, the church, through your interracial marriage. But there are some reasons

02:24:58.320 why you should perhaps slow down and prayerfully consider it. I don't believe that interracial 1.00

02:25:06.000 marriage is normative. And so a guy like Owen, a guy like Denny, that's ultimately what they're 0.96

02:25:13.300 doing is they're being dishonest and they're trying to sneak past certain accusations that

02:25:21.500 just simply aren't true. These guys believe that interracial marriage is inherently sinful in each

02:25:27.280 and every case. They probably believe that it should be a crime and penalized by the state. 0.90

02:25:31.120 They probably also believe that segregation should be mandated and legislated by the state.

02:25:35.220 And those things just aren't true. If they were honest and said, well, Joel thinks X, Y, and Z,

02:25:39.860 and they articulated my position correctly, it would deflate everything immediately because

02:25:45.680 then it's like, what are you going to call me? Like, well, you know, you can't call me a kinnist.

02:25:51.140 You can't call me a racist. So you would have to say, Joel Webin is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

02:25:56.400 clothing, and a very, very, very dangerous man. Why? Because Joel Webin, he's a guy like C.S.

02:26:04.040 Lewis. He's a guy like Machen. He's a guy like Rush Dooney. He's a guy like R.L. Dabney. Like

02:26:09.640 Joel Webin holds the pretty much exact same views as every single Christian that we lead tours for

02:26:17.900 and go to Europe to show you where these honorable men, their tombs are, you know, and Joel believes

02:26:22.360 what they believe um well that's just that that doesn't land you know if that's your

02:26:27.300 tickets to sell exactly like that's really hard if you're trying to build an audience and

02:26:31.440 and trying to drum up fear you know and dismay like there are dangerous characters right now

02:26:37.020 rising up within the reformed church and you got to be really careful really what what what are

02:26:41.380 they like what do they believe like tell me i want i want to be on guard against the poison

02:26:45.620 there are guys today um that um would probably sit down and have dinner with george washington

02:26:53.020 Those guys that believe what Machen said.

02:26:55.580 Yeah, there are guys today that would probably be pretty good friends

02:27:02.320 with Jonathan Edwards.

02:27:04.800 There are guys today that in their heart of hearts,

02:27:09.280 they don't hate George Whitefield.

02:27:12.600 That doesn't sell.

02:27:13.900 That just doesn't work.

02:27:15.020 So you have to be dishonest, and you have to try to make it sound

02:27:17.880 as though my view, our view, is something, you know, sinister and really unique and novel.

02:27:25.500 So you need a new word because racism has lost its power because the boy can only cry wolf

02:27:30.520 so many times. And so it's like, well, there's this thing, kinism, kinism.

02:27:37.520 Just to back up too for some context, the reason that accusation is also leveled is because it's

02:27:41.860 never been clearly defined. So there's a number of authors that would identify themselves as that,

02:27:45.780 but there's no uh well-accepted work there's no well-accepted definition there's lots of pamphlets

02:27:51.080 or small books but it kind of relating it to jared taylor when you just form a movement around

02:27:56.300 the only thing the only thing that sets us apart is our emphasis on race being against interracial

02:28:01.640 racial marriage being for uh the preservation of americans of europeans and that all your

02:28:06.980 that's all your identity is actually turns out like most people that they want more than that

02:28:11.920 So there's, I mean, as far as, like, churches, there are not thousands of kinest churches.

02:28:16.880 There are not kinest denominations.

02:28:18.700 There are individual, some of them ministers, most of them laymen, probably a couple thousand

02:28:23.540 over the last 20 to 30 years that have called themselves that with no core set of defining

02:28:28.360 beliefs.

02:28:28.760 So it's easy, because it's nebulous, to slap it on someone that you don't want.

02:28:32.860 But practically, it kind of illustrates as a movement, it's not enough to just emphasize

02:28:36.980 kin and race, ad nauseum to the detriment of every other topic that you could cover.

02:28:41.920 And so it's a movement that also hasn't really gained traction. 0.63

02:28:45.180 Well said.

02:28:46.400 Okay.

02:28:46.920 Last two Super Chats. 0.98

02:28:48.040 We'll hit them quick.

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02:28:57.000 thanks, guys, for having Jared Taylor on.

02:28:59.380 God bless you.

02:29:00.360 We appreciate that.

02:29:01.340 God bless you.

02:29:02.540 And then the last Super Chat is from...

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02:29:06.700 Yeah, Nate Knot or Nater Knot.

02:29:08.680 Nater Knot.

02:29:09.520 He gave us $50.

02:29:10.980 Very generous.

02:29:11.860 Thank you so much.

02:29:12.740 That's very kind.

02:29:13.920 And he just said, keep up the great work, gentlemen.

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The NXR Podcast - January 30, 2026

NXR Livestream - White Nationalism Vs. Christian Nationalism (w⧸ Jared Taylor)

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