The NXR Podcast - April 08, 2023


QUESTIONS - Are Hip Pastors Who Wear Hats At Church In Sin？


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00:00:43.680 Joel, is my young and faithful pastor in sin while praying with his hat on in front of the
00:00:51.820 whole congregation. Yep. My goodness. Yeah. Yep. He's in sin. And to be fair, he's probably
00:01:00.320 ignorant, you know? Um, but yeah, that's, yeah, he's, he's in sin. Um, I mean, there's a debate 0.98
00:01:08.740 to be had. I don't know if it's a great debate, but I think there's a debate to be had in terms
00:01:12.900 of, you know, praying, um, in personal, uh, in personal private practices, practices of
00:01:20.760 piety, right?
00:01:21.760 Like fasting, scripture, reading, prayer, um, at the personal private level in your
00:01:27.280 daily spiritual disciplines.
00:01:29.560 Um, that would be one thing.
00:01:31.580 And even in that setting, um, I would say, go ahead and take your hat off.
00:01:35.720 But if we're talking, if we're talking Lord's day gathered worship, where the word is being
00:01:45.040 preached, the sacrament is being administered, the Lord's supper and baptism.
00:01:49.980 And it's, you know, it's the ordinary means of grace, publicly preaching the word, publicly
00:01:53.940 praying the word, praying.
00:01:55.780 I'm assuming that's the prayer you're referring to in the Lord's day gathering, publicly
00:01:59.540 preaching the word, publicly praying the word, publicly singing the word to God and also
00:02:04.860 addressing one another per ephesians and colossians and hymns and psalms and spiritual songs so
00:02:10.080 publicly singing the word and then the fourth of the ordinary means of grace publicly seeing
00:02:15.020 not singing but seeing s-e-e-i-n-g seeing the word and the only two images that are prescribed for us
00:02:21.680 by the lord jesus christ himself namely baptism of the lord's supper those are the ordinary means
00:02:26.700 of grace that need to be rightly administered by biblically qualified ordained officers of the
00:02:31.480 church elders and deacons when all the saints not virtually but physically gathered together
00:02:37.060 on the first day of the week the lord's day when christ rose from the dead that's church
00:02:41.140 and in that setting
00:02:43.300 dude's got a hat on
00:02:46.940 on stage as he's leading the church and i mean like paul doesn't just say it's a sin he says
00:02:54.820 it's embarrassing it's shameful the same way it's shameful for a man to have long hair and a woman
00:02:59.580 to have short hair it's also shameful if a woman won't cover her head and it's shameful if a man
00:03:04.220 will and it's funny with head coverings you know because there's there's guys and guys that i love
00:03:07.980 like doug wilson who i respect doug wilson is we're not pierce he is my superior yes he's a
00:03:15.420 better man than i am there's much controversy that he's a better man than i am and theologically
00:03:21.100 he's superior um but he's wrong about head coverings uh and and i'll say that i i would
00:03:28.060 more confidently say that Doug Wilson is wrong in his position about head coverings than I'll say
00:03:31.900 he's wrong in his position about baptism. I would have more hesitation in saying that I'm right
00:03:38.120 about credo baptism and Doug's wrong about pedo baptism. But I will confidently say that if
00:03:42.980 there's any one doctrine where I disagree with Doug Wilson and I stand the best chance of being
00:03:47.600 right and holding the actual biblical position and him being wrong, it's head coverings.
00:03:51.380 and on that note doug argues that you know well the last line in this text in first corinthians
00:03:58.280 11 paul says her hair is given to her for a covering so it's like yeah she better cover her
00:04:03.680 head she needs a covering she needs a covering she needs a covering but her hair is given to her
00:04:07.200 for a covering so there you go she's covered she just needs to have long hair which is insane when
00:04:12.500 you plug that back into the text because you know paul literally says in a portion of first
00:04:16.900 Corinthians 11, it says, if she will not, it says, if she will not have long hair, then she should
00:04:24.080 cut her hair short, or I'm sorry, if she will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short
00:04:30.160 or shear her head, shave her head, for it is shameful for her not to cover her head. And so
00:04:38.120 what Paul is essentially saying is this, if a woman won't wear a head covering in worship and
00:04:43.960 prayer and prophesying, which I take as the chief marks of corporate worship on the Lord's
00:04:48.000 Day. We are prophesying, lowercase p, prophesying and praying. Prophesying, thus saith the Lord,
00:04:54.680 he's speaking to the people of God. Praying, the people speaking to God. God speaks to the people,
00:04:58.800 the people speak to God. Prayer and prophecy is the two primary parts of what we do on the Lord's
00:05:03.640 Day when we gather together. That's what church is. It's prayer and prophecy. God speaks to us,
00:05:07.180 we speak to him. He speaks to us through the sacraments, through his word. We speak to him
00:05:11.300 through singing song and and prayer so praying the word we speak to god uh singing the word we speak
00:05:17.420 to god um preaching the word god speaks to us seeing the word and the sacrament of the lord's
00:05:22.480 supper and baptism god speaks to us so prophesy uh that's lord speaking to us thus saith the lord
00:05:28.460 prayer and singing that's that's us speaking to god so prayer and prophecy and that's first
00:05:33.500 corinthians 11 praying and prophecy that's when the covering needs to be there and what is prayer
00:05:36.900 in prophecy it's god speaking to us us speaking to god which is the whole makeup of lord's day
00:05:41.560 worship so cover your head if you're a woman at church and don't cover your head if you're a man 0.75
00:05:45.760 at church all that being said back back to the text in first corinthians 11 if a woman will not
00:05:49.840 cover her head she should cut her hair short now remember at the end her hair is given to her for
00:05:54.520 covering now it's an entirely different greek word there than it's been used the entire time
00:05:58.880 so it's not saying that the hair is given to her as the only cover she needs it's saying no the hair
00:06:03.760 has been given to her by God. And this is an argument from nature, just in God's natural
00:06:08.420 design, um, that the woman has been given long hair as a natural covering. And that testifies 0.96
00:06:14.200 that she should be further covered on the Lord's day. The fact that God gave her a natural covering
00:06:18.840 testifies and confirms that she should be covered. That's what Paul's saying. He says, you know,
00:06:24.900 for the hair is given to her as a covering. Whereas Doug Wilson, again, who I respect immensely
00:06:28.840 would say oh there it is you know she's got a covering like no the hair is given as a natural
00:06:34.500 covering confirming that she needs to be further covered um and doug's gonna say oh the hair is
00:06:39.180 given to her as a covering so as long as a woman has long hair that is the covering and she doesn't
00:06:42.920 need a cover and again the reason that doesn't work is because if she will not cover her head
00:06:47.780 she should cut her hair short so now plug in doug wilson's hermeneutic if he's saying that the hair
00:06:53.080 is a covering and that's the only covering that's needed then then if she will not cover her head
00:06:58.080 she should cut her hair short. Well, if the hair is a covering, then essentially, um, what Paul
00:07:03.460 would be saying is if she has short hair, she should cut her hair short, right? Cause the hair
00:07:09.120 is the cover. If she doesn't have long hair, she should cut her hair short. Think about that. So
00:07:13.560 if, if her hair is already short, then she should cut her hair short, which is already short. But
00:07:20.480 if her head, uh, if her hair isn't, if her head isn't covered because she doesn't have hair and
00:07:25.260 hair is a covering because she's bald then she should shave her head but it's already shaved 0.98
00:07:30.300 because she's already bald it's just i mean it's dumb it's dumb and um i mean it really is i think 0.98
00:07:40.020 one of the clearest texts in scripture uh head covering so all that being said back to you know 0.97
00:07:44.520 your pastor wearing a hat because the woman should cover but the man should not and with your pastor
00:07:49.760 wearing a hat i mean that's one of those things that has kind of stood the test of time at least
00:07:54.140 you know where i am you know in god's country texas you know like you still i mean you could
00:07:58.400 you could be at the rodeo on a thursday afternoon it's not the lord's day it's not church it's not
00:08:03.280 the gathered saints there's no administering of the ordinary means of grace it's bull riding
00:08:07.140 and uh and somebody will pray god bless america you know and and all the men will be taking off
00:08:15.560 their cowboy hats right a baseball game somebody prays and what do people do that the men instinctively
00:08:21.800 right it's just built into our culture it's it's one of our cultural rituals men take off their
00:08:26.760 hat you sing the the the uh the national anthem right it's not even to god but just anything
00:08:32.100 that signifies some kind it's it's a a moment of respect a moment of honor and what do men do in
00:08:36.880 moments like that they take off their hat at a funeral men aren't wearing hats they take off
00:08:41.740 their hat at a wedding like any anything anything of pomp and circumstance anything of um that's
00:08:49.840 formal that's official and it's certainly anything of reverence and respect men take off their hat
00:08:57.980 because they know that it's shameful to cover their head because man is the glory of christ
00:09:04.380 right christ is the glory of god man is the glory of christ and woman is the glory of man
00:09:10.360 and the hair woman's hair is the glory of woman and man knows that the glory of god instinctively
00:09:16.660 Man knows, even pagan men know, that in God-like moments, in reverent moments, moments of honoring God, moments of worship, that the man should not be covered.
00:09:31.340 The man rather should display God's glory.
00:09:34.140 Man is the image, and both men and women bear the image of God.
00:09:38.900 But the scripture teaches, Paul says in 1 Corinthians 11, that man bears not just the image.
00:09:43.360 woman bears the image of God, but man bears the image and glory of God. And the glory of God in
00:09:49.820 man shouldn't, should be on display. God's glory should be on display. Um, whereas the glory of
00:09:55.880 man that woman bears, she bears the glory of man, man's glory should be covered, right? So it's not 0.93
00:10:01.580 just an argument about authority and submission. It's an argument about glory and whose glory
00:10:06.960 gets to be put center stage on display at church on the Lord's day in the worship of the triune
00:10:14.020 God and whose glory should not be a distraction and should be veiled right so the glory of man
00:10:20.140 which is woman should be veiled in the worship of God but the glory of God in the worship of God
00:10:25.760 should be put on display so man who is the glory of God does not cover his head but woman who is
00:10:30.220 the glory of man does it's real simple it's it's really not that hard of a text I'll tell you
00:10:36.540 I'll tell you what makes it hard.
00:10:41.020 100, 130 years of feminism.
00:10:46.500 That's what makes 1 Corinthians 11 hard to exigate.
00:10:50.540 Feminism makes it hard. 0.60
00:10:52.320 The text itself is not hard.
00:10:54.360 But feminism makes it real hard.
00:10:56.920 It's hard to interpret something you don't want to interpret,
00:11:02.280 that you're scared to interpret. 1.00
00:11:03.860 So all that being said, women should cover their head. 1.00
00:11:07.960 Men should not cover their head. 0.99
00:11:09.940 I would argue, I mean, you can make an argue that it belongs to the function of prayer
00:11:13.160 and prophecy.
00:11:13.620 So anytime you're praying or prophesying, even in your home, at your dinner table with 0.71
00:11:17.420 your family, men should uncover their head. 1.00
00:11:19.560 Women should cover their head. 0.98
00:11:20.920 That would be Dale Partridge's argument. 1.00
00:11:23.280 I tend to agree with him.
00:11:25.000 I think that's probably correct.
00:11:26.520 But certainly prayer and prophecy in their corporate function, that when the church gathers
00:11:31.040 on the Lord's day, it is exclusively.
00:11:33.160 like 100% of what the church is doing when it gathers on the Lord's day is, it falls into one
00:11:37.640 of those two categories of praying or prophesying. And so if there's any place, the first place to
00:11:43.040 start, uh, practice of covering, if you're a woman who's never covered her head, first place to start 0.55
00:11:48.160 would not be Tuesday night at the dinner table. When, when your husband prays before you eat,
00:11:52.180 uh, first place to start would be the Lord's day. That's the clearest. And, um, and so I say all
00:11:58.160 that to say on the lord's day especially in church a woman should cover her head and a man should not 0.89
00:12:04.500 cover his head but in our culture the reason why i'm kind of picking on your pastor a little bit 0.65
00:12:09.800 i think he deserves it is because in our culture um it's because of feminism it is very uncommon 0.56
00:12:16.880 for women to cover their head these days in church but but it is exceedingly common for men not to
00:12:23.400 wear hats despite all the feminism despite all the bad exegetical takes on first corinthians 11
00:12:30.400 in head coverings still despite all that most men still know better than to wear a hat at church
00:12:39.860 much less wear a hat on stage as the pastor while praying at church so yeah he's in sin and not just
00:12:46.980 but according to the bible it's not just me saying shame on him the apostle paul literally uses the
00:12:51.560 word shameful so yeah your your pastor is doing something shameful and i think you know be humble
00:12:57.420 about it but i i've you know privately pull him aside and say hey i love you and i hate to see
00:13:03.620 you embarrassing yourself because that's literally what he's doing it's shameful can i be frank with
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