The NXR Podcast - July 14, 2022


QUESTIONS - Does Theonomy Allow For Other Religions In Society？

Topics
cancel culture no worship of false gods
Hosted by
Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
Mentioned
Christodom Jeff Durbin Pastor Joel Doug Wilson Joe Biden Mawson Hunter Amos
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In this episode, Pastor Joel and I discuss what it means to be a Christian in a post-millennial, patriarchal, patriarchal society, and what it would look like if we re reestablish Christodom.

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00:00:21 Mawson says this, in a perfect theonomic society, amen. I like the beginning of this.
00:00:26 would a mosque be allowed to function in that society or would it be required to worship
00:00:32 the biblical God alone? Great question. In a perfect theonomic society that will come
00:00:39 incrementally over time, I'm not an incrementalist when it comes to abortion, just for the record.
00:00:45 When I say incrementally, I don't mean by putting forward unjust, unbiblical laws that compromise
00:00:50 the scripture, but incrementally in terms of the mustard seed gradually fills the whole,
00:00:58 you know, grows into a tree and fills the whole earth. The leaven gradually works through the
00:01:02 whole batch of dough. So like with abortion, for instance, guys like Jeff Durbin, I would agree
00:01:08 with him, are incrementalist, not in terms of getting gradually more biblical laws, which
00:01:14 requires you to, um, at first submit unjust laws. That's can't do that as a Christian. That's, 0.85
00:01:20 that's sinful. Um, but it is incremental in the sense that Roe right now, very likely going to
00:01:26 be overturned incrementally abolish abortion in all 50 States incrementally being one state at
00:01:31 a time, just laws always being put forward, but let's, let's do it in Louisiana. Let's do it in 0.61
00:01:37 Texas. Let's do it in Oklahoma. And eventually, um, New York and California will bow the knee 0.88
00:01:41 to Jesus and stop murdering babies. So really, we were talking about Christodom. I think Christodom
00:01:47 is good. That is my life's mission. And that involves planting churches, involves preaching
00:01:53 the gospel, baptizing, all these things. But I would say the big headliner is this. I want to
00:01:59 re-usher in Christodom 2.0. And the same way that we look back on the founding of our nation,
00:02:05 America, and we say, all right, well, slavery wasn't good. But I think it's important that
00:02:09 We don't try to rewrite our history and lie like the 1619 project, but rather we say,
00:02:14 okay, slavery is there, but that's a bug, not a feature.
00:02:19 And slavery was eventually abolished because the founding of our nation was good and we
00:02:24 eventually lived up to the ideals in our constitution.
00:02:26 Likewise, looking at 2000 years of church history, looking at guys like Constantine,
00:02:31 looking at Christodom, and when it was in effect, or at least partially successful before and
00:02:36 saying, well, America, you know, had slavery and Christodom had the Spanish Crusades, right? So,
00:02:42 I would say, well, the Spanish Crusades is like slavery was to America. The Spanish Crusades are
00:02:47 to Christodom. The Spanish Crusades are not a feature, but a bug. And if Christodom had been 0.99
00:02:52 more successful eventually over time, as they lived more consistently with Christodom and the
00:02:58 ideals of scripture, they would have stopped doing crusades, okay? So, that being said, I want to
00:03:04 reestablish Christodom. I want to play my tiny little part, and it's probably going to take a
00:03:08 very long time, and it's not going to happen as much as I want it to happen in my lifetime, but
00:03:13 generationally, I, along with other faithful Christians, want to see Christodom reestablished.
00:03:20 So, I don't think, well, Christodom had the Spanish Crusade, so it's bad. No, I think the solution is
00:03:24 let's do Christodom 2.0, and let's just do it better. And it's probably going to take us a few
00:03:30 tries. I think it could be a few thousand years before Jesus returns. And so we may be on Christodom,
00:03:35 you know, 7.0 by the time that we finally really are getting it right. And that mustard seed is
00:03:41 grown into a tree that's spreading its wings over the whole earth. And justice is rolling down like
00:03:45 waters, you know, like Amos says, and the leaven has really, a good leaven has worked through the
00:03:50 whole batch of dough. So that could take time. So in a perfect theonomic society, that picture
00:03:55 that I'm painting, Christodom 7.0, whenever we get it right, what will it look like, right?
00:03:59 Basically, that's what you're asking is, as a post-millennial, theonomic, patriarchal,
00:04:05 you know, Christendom-loving Christian, Pastor Joel, what do you think societies and nations
00:04:12 will look like in terms of their laws about expressions of other religions right before
00:04:17 the return of Christ?
00:04:18 A perfect theonomic, you know, right before the return of Christ. 0.99
00:04:22 For instance, will there be any mosque? 1.00
00:04:24 My answer, no. 0.98
00:04:27 No way. 0.99
00:04:28 the mosques are gone and again i'm not a universalist that's a heresy so so as a 0.82
00:04:34 post-millennial and as someone who wants to restore christendom and as somebody who is theonomic and 0.92
00:04:39 i would say a general equity theonomy because there are different there's a spectrum of theonomy
00:04:43 i would say general equity theonomist holding the positions that i do right before the return
00:04:50 of christ i believe at that time a majority of people living on earth at that time will be saved
00:04:56 But even then, and that would be the best case scenario, right?
00:05:00 When things are at their best, right before the return of Christ.
00:05:02 But even then, it won't be that each and every individual is regenerate. 0.99
00:05:06 But all the nations will be Christianized. 0.77
00:05:09 Not meaning that every individual in every nation is a Christian, but Christianized, 0.98
00:05:14 meaning all the nations will be so drenched and so under the influence of the Christian 0.97
00:05:20 worldview and Christian teaching, Christian influence, that they will have Christian
00:05:25 laws and a Christian sense of justice, which is actual justice, true biblical justice. And in that
00:05:33 kind of environment, blasphemy will not be permitted. And the last thing I'll say on this,
00:05:40 and that's what it would be, worshiping of false gods and false religions would be, 0.68
00:05:44 it would be breaking the first commandment. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
00:05:48 it would be a breach of the third commandment. It's vain worship. It's a breach of all these
00:05:57 different commandments. And many of these false religions also have images and try to make 1.00
00:06:01 their God in the image of man or whatever it might be. So, a breach of the second commandment. 0.95
00:06:06 But the point is this, it's not whether but which, right? You guys have heard me say this
00:06:12 several times. It's not whether, but which. Every culture has a reigning orthodoxy, a worldview,
00:06:19 and it's always religious. Secularism is a religion. It's not the absence of religion. 0.77
00:06:26 It's not whether, but which. Secularism is a religion. So, it's not whether we're going to 0.58
00:06:30 have a religious society. It's just which religion will we have. Modernity and secularism and feminism
00:06:36 and all these, this is religious. The word culture comes from the Latin cultus. It means worship. 0.74
00:06:42 That's what culture is.
00:06:43 Culture is shaped by worship.
00:06:46 Who do we worship?
00:06:47 How do we worship?
00:06:48 Right?
00:06:48 And so it's not whether we worship.
00:06:50 It's simply which God will we worship.
00:06:53 It's not whether we're religious, but which religion will we have.
00:06:56 And all religions have a worldview.
00:06:59 And within that worldview, there is a reigning orthodoxy.
00:07:03 Right?
00:07:03 What is permissible?
00:07:05 What is true?
00:07:06 That's what orthodoxy.
00:07:07 Right?
00:07:07 So right now within secularism, we have, which is religious.
00:07:11 um, we have religious priests and these religious priests are, are, are laying out for us the new
00:07:17 orthodoxy, right? What, what are you talking about, Joe? I'm talking about the ministry of truth,
00:07:20 right? I'm talking about this Orwellian crazy madness that we're seeing in the news right now
00:07:27 that, that Democrats, the Joe Biden administration wants to, to appoint a, a
00:07:32 inso facto ministry of truth that decides what's misinformation and what's, uh, disinformation
00:07:39 and what's actually true. And it's going to be headed up by the same people that said Hunter's
00:07:44 laptop was a conspiracy theory and false fake news. But it wasn't. Spoiler alert, it was true.
00:07:53 You know, so like that's an orthodoxy. That's a dogma, right? So it's not whether but which.
00:07:58 Every society, every culture, cultists is worship. You're going to worship someone, just
00:08:03 who and how. And it's going to be religious and every religion has a worldview and a reigning
00:08:08 dogma or orthodoxy of what's permissible. And then everything outside of that orthodoxy is
00:08:14 going to be your blasphemy. Blasphemy. So right now, think about it. In the current religion
00:08:19 that is predominant in America today, which is not Christianity, I think that is our founding 0.54
00:08:23 religion. So I do believe we're a Christian nation in the sense that I would say we're
00:08:27 currently a Christian nation in the process of apostatizing and apostatizing in the direction
00:08:33 of going towards another religion, specifically secularism. So, secularism being this rising 0.58
00:08:40 religion in America, as we're turning our back on the Lord and apostatizing from our original
00:08:45 founding of being a Christian nation, not saying all the founders were perfect Christians, but
00:08:49 you get my point, Christianized. As we're embracing the religion, the worship of secularism
00:08:55 and its new dogma, everything outside of that dogma, outside of that orthodoxy,
00:09:01 what's been deemed as permissible is blasphemy. So are there blasphemy laws currently in our
00:09:07 nation with the reigning religion that we have right now of secularism? Are there blasphemy
00:09:12 laws? Let me ask the question like this. Are there things that you can get canceled for?
00:09:18 Is there a cancel culture in our religious society in America today? And the answer is,
00:09:24 of course, yes. It's not whether but which. So, I'm not a free speech absolutist, meaning aka I'm
00:09:32 not a neocon, you know, squishy Republican libertarian. No, no, no, no. I want law. I'm
00:09:38 not lawless like the libertarian. I want law. I just, I want God's law. It's either autonomy,
00:09:44 man's law, or theonomy, God's law. And if it's God's law, it's not who, if we worship, it's who
00:09:51 we worship and how we worship. So, if we're going to be worshipers, a culture, cultists worship,
00:09:56 which we are, we have no choice in that, then let's worship God. The God that actually exists,
00:10:01 let's adopt his worldview, his orthodoxy, and then everything that he says is outside of that 0.59
00:10:06 would be the actual blasphemy law. So, you're going to cancel something and someone, is my 0.83
00:10:11 point. You're going to cancel something and someone. And right now, our nation, who are
00:10:16 they canceling? Straight, white, evangelical men. So, you're going to cancel someone. It's not if
00:10:26 we cancel, it's just who we cancel and what we cancel them for, right? So, you're going to cancel
00:10:30 someone. Yeah, I would like to cancel Islam. Yes. And I'm not saying I want to round up Muslims like 1.00
00:10:39 they do in China and hurt people. But yeah, I would say that in a perfect theonomic society, 1.00
00:10:46 which I think we will have, it's going to take time, but I think we will have that, 1.00
00:10:51 yeah, Islam would be blasphemy. It would be worship of a false god. It would be a breach 1.00
00:10:57 of the commandments and you would not be able to build a mosque in a perfectly theonomic world, 1.00
00:11:03 which I do believe we will have. What the penalties would be for false worship, 1.00
00:11:09 what the penalties would be for those who blaspheme, there's a debate to be had about
00:11:14 that, but again, I think case law that we find in Israel, and I think a lot of the penalties that
00:11:19 you find are saying that this is the full extent of the punishment, right? So, if a child is
00:11:25 disrespectful and rebellious to his parents, you know, case law says in the Mosaic law, 0.98
00:11:32 civil law, that he should be stoned, put to death. Guys like Doug Wilson argue that that's the full 0.93
00:11:39 extent. So, just like we have case law in our system that was built off of the Bible, the Bible
00:11:43 system of laws. You know, we have certain crimes, things that are deemed as crimes,
00:11:49 and then you have the maximum penalty that can be inflicted. And so I would look at some of
00:11:54 these civil laws with Israel saying this is the maximum. So not saying that Israel would have
00:11:59 been in sin if they didn't put a wayward rebellious son to death, but saying that they could put him 0.57
00:12:07 to death, but they would be in sin if they didn't punish him at all. There'd have to be some kind
00:12:11 penalty. So there's a minimum penalty, right? This is the minimum fine, the minimum penalty,
00:12:16 the maximum. And so there would be something along those lines for worship of false gods
00:12:21 in a perfect theonomic system and society. And so somebody who is a Muslim in their heart 0.97
00:12:27 privately, and it's not witnessable, and they're not a Muslim evangelist, and they're not doing 0.81
00:12:33 these public things, then that would be a sin, but not a crime, right? There's a distinction.
00:12:37 That would be a sin, but not a crime. 0.88
00:12:39 But if they committed the crime of doing something public, like raising a mosque to a false god 0.98
00:12:44 in a Christian nation, which should be our goal, then yes, there would actually be a 0.91
00:12:49 penalty and there'd be a spectrum, minimum and maximum. 1.00
00:12:53 And yeah, no mosque. 0.97
00:12:57 Yeah, no worship of false gods.
00:12:59 No way.
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