The NXR Podcast - September 01, 2022


QUESTIONS - How Do You Defend The Sabbath In Light Of Romans 14_5？

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Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
Mentioned
Israel Sabbath Joel Webin Christopher Columbus Day Jamie White Joseph Boot Gary DeMar Sabbaths Nathan
DAILY TRUTH - Does God Change His Mind？ BONUS - Matt Chandler And The Danger Of Unbiblical Forms Of Church Discipline

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In this episode, Pastor Joel Webin and Nathan talk about Sabbath, festivals, and the moon. They discuss the relationship between the old covenant and the new covenant, and why the sabbath is not part of it.

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00:00:00.000 Big news. Really big news. Our next Right Response Conference is in the works. We've got a number of
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00:00:44.900 All right, Romans chapter 14, verse 5 says, one person esteems one day is better than
00:00:50.660 another, while another esteems all days alike.
00:00:53.720 Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
00:00:56.620 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord.
00:01:01.260 The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God.
00:01:04.640 While the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord, in honor of the Lord and gives
00:01:11.440 thanks to God.
00:01:12.260 For none of us lives to himself and none of us dies to himself.
00:01:16.140 Okay, that's a great one, but let's actually add to it, right?
00:01:21.120 If we want to play the devil's advocate here, which the devil, that's one of his primary
00:01:25.060 businesses is twisting the scripture. So if we want to twist this one, let's go ahead and twist
00:01:30.060 an even better one. All right. So this is Colossians, I believe chapter two. Uh, Nathan,
00:01:36.500 maybe you could, uh, do a quick web search for, um, uh, Sabbaths and new moons Colossians. If you
00:01:46.180 type that into a search bar should pop up, but I believe it's Colossians chapter two,
00:01:50.340 but I'd like to know for sure
00:01:53.200 and also the verse.
00:01:59.540 2.16, that's what I was thinking.
00:02:08.540 Okay, so Colossians chapter two.
00:02:10.640 So these are the two.
00:02:11.940 So you cited one of them, T, from T.
00:02:16.100 So T, you cited one of them, Romans chapter,
00:02:19.560 what was it chapter 12 verse 5 14 5 so romans 14 5 is is one of the premier verses and then the
00:02:25.600 other one that's even you know seemingly stronger against the sabbath that non-sabbatarian guys will
00:02:31.700 use is colossians 2 16 therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink
00:02:39.280 or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath these are a shadow of things to come
00:02:48.340 but the substance belongs to Christ. Okay. It goes on and says, so then let no one
00:02:54.120 disqualify you. Say you're in sin. You're not, you're not qualified. You're not being
00:02:59.340 holy. Let no one disqualify you insisting on asceticism and worship of angels going on in
00:03:07.880 detail about visions puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind. Okay. So Colossians two
00:03:15.060 takes the same principle, right? So it's the same principle, same concept of Romans 14, 5,
00:03:22.000 but then just gives more specific, particular examples. And the examples in Colossians 2 of
00:03:28.420 the same principle stated in Romans 15, 14, 5, is the example cited in Colossians 2 of that
00:03:36.240 principle is, let no one pass judgment on you with questions of food, drink, or in regard to
00:03:43.640 a festival, or a new moon, or a Sabbath. And I would say that all five of these things, food,
00:03:50.760 drink, festival, new moon, or Sabbath, all five of these things belong to the ceremonial law of God,
00:03:59.180 which is fulfilled by Christ, but also abrogated by Christ. He makes us clean. He is our high
00:04:06.560 priest. He's the lamb of God, the sacrifice that takes away the sins of the world. These are
00:04:13.360 aspects, belonging, rituals, artifacts, elements of the old covenant that was particular to Israel
00:04:22.160 in that particular time. And you might say, but it says Sabbath, Joel, and you said that that's not
00:04:28.360 just with Moses and Mount Sinai. Yeah, you're right. That's a creation ordinance that is not
00:04:34.060 removed, but renewed from the last day to the first for us still to this day under the new
00:04:40.040 covenant, the Sabbath. So how do you resolve that tension? The Sabbath mentioned in Colossians
00:04:46.960 chapter two, verse 16 is not the weekly Sabbath. Solid throughout church history. If we look at
00:04:55.580 the consensus of church history, not just your liberal progressive non-sabbatarian exegetes that
00:05:01.720 came about in the last 20 years. But if we look at 2,000 years of biblical commentary and theologians
00:05:08.060 on this particular text, looking at Romans 14, 5 and Colossians chapter 2, verse 16, the Sabbath
00:05:15.200 in its context is being placed right next to food, drink, festivals, and new moons. The Sabbath
00:05:23.100 mentioned there is a Sabbath that is unique to Israel's calendar of worship, its annual calendar
00:05:31.320 of worship that followed moon cycles, that followed certain seasons and harvests, right? You had seven
00:05:38.740 major feasts in Israel, festivals, right? The feast of booths, right? The day of atonement,
00:05:46.040 Passover, these kinds of things. And the Sabbath mentioned here is actually, it is like a new moon
00:05:52.580 Sabbath. It's a monthly Sabbath, not the weekly Sabbath, but a monthly, or in some cases, maybe a
00:05:58.440 bi-monthly Sabbath, bi being every two months, that was unique to Israel's annual calendar of
00:06:05.100 worship following harvests and seasons and lunar cycles. And it was unique to Israel.
00:06:12.800 So the short answer is this. It's confusing. It is confusing. It's difficult. So it's a good
00:06:18.040 question to you. But the Sabbath mentioned in Colossians 2.16 is not the Sabbath mentioned
00:06:25.060 in Genesis. The one in seventh day is not the weekly Sabbath, which belongs to all people in
00:06:33.280 all times set, established as a creation ordinance by God who rested on the seventh day and renewed
00:06:41.000 by the son of God from the seventh to the first day by virtue of his resurrection. It's not that
00:06:47.740 weekly Sabbath, which is a creation ordinance in the beginning and then renewed as a part of
00:06:54.120 christian worship by the head of the church jesus christ himself that's a weekly sabbath that's
00:07:00.320 perpetual all times to the end of the world says the westminster in 1689 confession to the end of
00:07:06.560 the world to be observed by all peoples not just christian people but all people the weekly sabbath
00:07:11.740 belonging to christian worship that transcends simply the old covenant and the nation state of
00:07:17.860 israel yet there is another sabbath the weekly sabbath is not the only sabbath that israel
00:07:23.620 observed. There were also monthly Sabbaths and multiple festivals and feasts and new moon
00:07:31.300 Sabbaths that all belonged to Israel that would fall underneath not the moral law of God,
00:07:37.520 the fourth commandment, remember the Sabbath and keep it holy in the Decalogue, Exodus 20,
00:07:42.120 but rather is a part of the ceremonial law of God. And it therefore is categorized in the same
00:07:48.520 grouping as the Ark of the Covenant or the mercy seat or the cherubim or the basin, the bowl of
00:07:57.100 incense or the tabernacle or animal sacrifices or hand washings or a woman and needing to go
00:08:05.200 outside of the camp for seven days or not eating shellfish and not eating pork. That's the monthly 0.96
00:08:11.700 Sabbath. The lunar cycle, annual worship calendar unique to Israel Sabbath belongs in that category,
00:08:21.520 ceremonial, not moral. That's the weekly Sabbath. It's two different kinds of Sabbaths. So now back
00:08:26.680 to Romans 14, five, one man considers one day, what it's really getting as holy, but it simply
00:08:33.220 means particular, that one day is different, set apart, special. One guy says, hey, not all days
00:08:40.260 are the same. This day is special. It's not talking about the guy who considers the first
00:08:45.500 day of the week, the weekly Sabbath special. Everyone should consider that special because
00:08:50.020 God said it's special and it's still special. That's not what Romans 14, five is talking about.
00:08:54.560 It's talking about birthdays. It's talking about, you won't like this one, but Christmas,
00:09:00.540 Thanksgiving, Memorial Day, Veterans Day, Christopher Columbus Day. It's talking about
00:09:10.340 New Year's Day. That's what it's talking about. And in regard to that, that's precisely what I
00:09:15.560 would use. That's the text, Romans 14, 5. I would never use that text to try to dismiss
00:09:21.940 the weekly Sabbath. I would use that text to say, hey, I understand that Christmas has pagan 0.91
00:09:33.240 roots, Celtic roots, but if somebody is honoring Christ and that's the way that they're observing
00:09:42.920 Christmas, I'm not going to cast judgment on them. It's okay to celebrate Christmas.
00:09:48.120 Romans 14, five says so.
00:09:50.160 And likewise, if somebody says, yeah, but there's just too much pagan and commercialize
00:09:54.580 this and that, and we really hold strongly that there's only one holiday, holy day for
00:10:01.920 Christians, and that's the Sabbath, guess what?
00:10:05.260 I'm not going to judge that.
00:10:06.880 I'm going to be like, wow, man, can't argue with that.
00:10:09.840 That's okay also.
00:10:10.840 Why?
00:10:11.220 Because of the same verse, Romans 14, five.
00:10:13.560 But the days that you consider to be holy,
00:10:16.700 it's not referring to the weekly Sabbath.
00:10:19.460 God considers that day holy, and so should we.
00:10:22.320 But there are other days, okay?
00:10:24.160 So that's how I would deal with that question.
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