The NXR Podcast - December 31, 2022


QUESTIONS - Is Eastern Orthodoxy Heresy？


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In this episode, we discuss the rise of Eastern Orthodoxy within the Roman Catholic Church, the differences between it and the rest of the Christian faith, and the role of the Holy Spirit in the creation of the church.

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00:00:42.900 Are you aware of the rise of Eastern Orthodoxy and do you have tips on engaging it in debate?
00:00:49.180 I debate them often online and in person. Would you be opposed to debating them? 0.97
00:00:54.940 No, I wouldn't be opposed.
00:00:56.140 I'd be willing to have an Eastern Orthodox guy on the show and have a debate with him.
00:01:03.240 Yeah, Eastern Orthodoxy, obviously there are unique distinctions, but by and large, it's
00:01:09.000 very similar to Rome.
00:01:10.320 You don't just have one Pope, you have like a collection of Popes, right?
00:01:13.260 So you have like a plurality of the papacy with Eastern Orthodoxy, but it presents the 0.96
00:01:18.600 same problems.
00:01:19.300 um idol worship uh it presents the problems of justification by grace alone through faith alone
00:01:25.620 in christ alone uh problems with baptismal regeneration um all those different things
00:01:31.280 but eastern orthodoxy um although it has its problems um although i you know i would say the
00:01:37.460 same thing that i say for roman catholics um you can be a roman catholic and be a christian
00:01:42.800 but it will be despite roman catholicism not because of it right so my point is if you're
00:01:49.060 a bad Catholic, you might be a good Christian. If you're a good Catholic, you're going to
00:01:52.960 help. And when I say a good Catholic, what I mean is subscribing to all the teachings
00:01:57.760 of Rome. If you subscribe to all the teachings of Rome, then you've just subscribed yourself
00:02:02.220 out of the gospel of Jesus Christ, because still in the books, the Council of Trent anathematizes,
00:02:07.580 curses the very gospel of Jesus Christ that we're saved by grace alone, through faith
00:02:11.360 alone, in Christ alone. That's still in the books. That's the official position of the
00:02:15.900 Roman Catholic Church. And although there are some distinctions, that remains a very similar
00:02:20.480 position, some similar problems with Eastern Orthodoxy. One of the reasons for the record
00:02:26.240 for the split is the Falloki. So basically, does the Holy Spirit, Augustine, this is one of the
00:02:32.440 things that he got into, St. Augustine, but does the Holy Spirit proceed from the Father alone,
00:02:37.320 or does the Holy Spirit proceed from both the Father and the Son? Both Catholics and Protestants,
00:02:43.780 such as myself, whether you be Baptist or Presbyterian or Anglican or whatever it might be,
00:02:50.160 we believe that the Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son, whereas Eastern Orthodoxy
00:02:56.520 would deny that and say that the Spirit proceeds from the Father alone. Does this matter?
00:03:02.320 Processions within the Godhead? Yeah, we're talking about theology proper. We're talking
00:03:06.740 about doctrine of God. It does matter. Processions of the three persons of the Trinity do in fact
00:03:12.060 to matter. But my suspicion, and many biblical scholars and, you know, historians, theological
00:03:19.180 historians would say that, you know, what really was at play was, it was a battle of authority.
00:03:24.520 So they made a theological argument that does matter and has validity. But really underneath
00:03:30.220 that thin veil was the real issue of who's in charge. And so, you know, in order to split,
00:03:37.440 They, you know, they, you know, hung their hat on the fallokia, you know, who, who does
00:03:41.420 the spirit proceed from the father alone or both the son and the father.
00:03:45.380 And that's why you have the split.
00:03:46.520 And then also, you know, from that, you know, court, you know, cascades, other distinctions,
00:03:51.000 one of them would be images, right?
00:03:52.420 So the second commandment, you know, so Rome would say that, you know, that we can have,
00:04:00.740 you know, graven images, whereas Eastern Orthodoxy would say no graven images, but you can have
00:04:06.140 images, just not graven ones, right? So Eastern Orthodoxy would have, you know, pictures of
00:04:11.260 Christ, like a painting, right? But it can't be 3D. It can be a 2D image, but it can't be a 3D
00:04:18.680 image. It can't be an actual carved image, graven image, like a statue. And so, whereas Rome would
00:04:25.940 say that's fine, because Rome has just completely discarded the second commandment. And what they
00:04:30.860 do, you know, because it's like, you can't have nine commandments, that's pretty obvious. So to
00:04:34.480 pull the wool over people's eyes, to still have 10 commandments in Exodus 20, what they do is they
00:04:38.880 skip the second commandment. So they go first, straight from the first, thou shalt have no other
00:04:43.560 gods before me to the third. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord God in vain. And then to get
00:04:49.000 10 commandments, what they do is they take the 10th commandment, thou shalt not covet, and they break
00:04:52.580 that up into two commandments. Thou shalt not covet your neighbor's wife, and then thou shalt not
00:04:56.840 covet your neighbor's stuff, his house or his male servant or female servant or his ox or his donkey
00:05:01.120 or anything that is your neighbor's, right? 0.62
00:05:03.300 So that's what Rome does
00:05:04.580 is they take the 10th commandment
00:05:05.760 and break it into two
00:05:06.720 and delete the second commandment
00:05:08.820 so they still have, you know, 10 commandments.
00:05:11.140 And Rome does that
00:05:12.920 because they're fine with images in every regard.
00:05:15.660 They're fine with the painting,
00:05:16.620 they're fine with the sculpture.
00:05:18.200 Eastern Orthodoxy is fine with the painting,
00:05:20.040 but not the sculpture.
00:05:21.220 And so there's multiple ways
00:05:22.340 that they've, you know,
00:05:23.000 distinguished themselves
00:05:24.080 and say it's a really, really big deal. 0.99
00:05:25.740 And some of it is the Philoky matter,
00:05:27.440 certainly processions within the Godhead matter. 0.65
00:05:31.120 But at the end of the day, what it really came down to was it was a battle of authority.
00:05:36.600 Who's in charge?
00:05:37.360 Who has authority?
00:05:38.280 Does it rest in Rome?
00:05:39.360 Does it rest with the Pope?
00:05:40.320 Or does it rest with the council over here?
00:05:42.160 And those kinds of things.
00:05:43.240 So Eastern Orthodoxy, like Roman Catholicism, I believe that if you follow it to the T,
00:05:48.660 it is outside of Orthodoxy, ironically.
00:05:51.300 Eastern Orthodoxy is not Orthodoxy. 0.88
00:05:53.540 If you follow it to the T, then you will go to hell because it is a false teaching. 0.83
00:05:58.420 It denies the gospel of Jesus Christ.
00:06:00.300 Both do. 0.78
00:06:00.780 They introduce works, they introduce saints, idolatry, these kinds of things.
00:06:05.440 They introduce grace being infused, not imputed, not righteousness accredited to our account
00:06:11.480 by faith alone.
00:06:12.660 So not righteousness and grace imputed through faith, but rather infused through sacraments.
00:06:18.060 Both are similar in that regard.
00:06:20.120 Yes, I would be willing to debate an Eastern Orthodox guy.
00:06:25.160 I'd have to find the right guy that I feel willing to debate.
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