The NXR Podcast - December 31, 2022


QUESTIONS - Is Eastern Orthodoxy Heresy？

Hosted by
Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
Mentioned
Jesus Christ Godhead Nathan Anderson Augustine Philoky
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In this episode, we discuss the rise of Eastern Orthodoxy within the Roman Catholic Church, the differences between it and the rest of the Christian faith, and the role of the Holy Spirit in the creation of the church.

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00:00:42 Are you aware of the rise of Eastern Orthodoxy and do you have tips on engaging it in debate?
00:00:49 I debate them often online and in person. Would you be opposed to debating them? 0.97
00:00:54 No, I wouldn't be opposed.
00:00:56 I'd be willing to have an Eastern Orthodox guy on the show and have a debate with him.
00:01:03 Yeah, Eastern Orthodoxy, obviously there are unique distinctions, but by and large, it's
00:01:09 very similar to Rome.
00:01:10 You don't just have one Pope, you have like a collection of Popes, right?
00:01:13 So you have like a plurality of the papacy with Eastern Orthodoxy, but it presents the 0.96
00:01:18 same problems.
00:01:19 um idol worship uh it presents the problems of justification by grace alone through faith alone
00:01:25 in christ alone uh problems with baptismal regeneration um all those different things
00:01:31 but eastern orthodoxy um although it has its problems um although i you know i would say the
00:01:37 same thing that i say for roman catholics um you can be a roman catholic and be a christian
00:01:42 but it will be despite roman catholicism not because of it right so my point is if you're
00:01:49 a bad Catholic, you might be a good Christian. If you're a good Catholic, you're going to
00:01:52 help. And when I say a good Catholic, what I mean is subscribing to all the teachings
00:01:57 of Rome. If you subscribe to all the teachings of Rome, then you've just subscribed yourself
00:02:02 out of the gospel of Jesus Christ, because still in the books, the Council of Trent anathematizes,
00:02:07 curses the very gospel of Jesus Christ that we're saved by grace alone, through faith
00:02:11 alone, in Christ alone. That's still in the books. That's the official position of the
00:02:15 Roman Catholic Church. And although there are some distinctions, that remains a very similar
00:02:20 position, some similar problems with Eastern Orthodoxy. One of the reasons for the record
00:02:26 for the split is the Falloki. So basically, does the Holy Spirit, Augustine, this is one of the
00:02:32 things that he got into, St. Augustine, but does the Holy Spirit proceed from the Father alone,
00:02:37 or does the Holy Spirit proceed from both the Father and the Son? Both Catholics and Protestants,
00:02:43 such as myself, whether you be Baptist or Presbyterian or Anglican or whatever it might be,
00:02:50 we believe that the Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son, whereas Eastern Orthodoxy
00:02:56 would deny that and say that the Spirit proceeds from the Father alone. Does this matter?
00:03:02 Processions within the Godhead? Yeah, we're talking about theology proper. We're talking
00:03:06 about doctrine of God. It does matter. Processions of the three persons of the Trinity do in fact
00:03:12 to matter. But my suspicion, and many biblical scholars and, you know, historians, theological
00:03:19 historians would say that, you know, what really was at play was, it was a battle of authority.
00:03:24 So they made a theological argument that does matter and has validity. But really underneath
00:03:30 that thin veil was the real issue of who's in charge. And so, you know, in order to split,
00:03:37 They, you know, they, you know, hung their hat on the fallokia, you know, who, who does
00:03:41 the spirit proceed from the father alone or both the son and the father.
00:03:45 And that's why you have the split.
00:03:46 And then also, you know, from that, you know, court, you know, cascades, other distinctions,
00:03:51 one of them would be images, right?
00:03:52 So the second commandment, you know, so Rome would say that, you know, that we can have,
00:04:00 you know, graven images, whereas Eastern Orthodoxy would say no graven images, but you can have
00:04:06 images, just not graven ones, right? So Eastern Orthodoxy would have, you know, pictures of
00:04:11 Christ, like a painting, right? But it can't be 3D. It can be a 2D image, but it can't be a 3D
00:04:18 image. It can't be an actual carved image, graven image, like a statue. And so, whereas Rome would
00:04:25 say that's fine, because Rome has just completely discarded the second commandment. And what they
00:04:30 do, you know, because it's like, you can't have nine commandments, that's pretty obvious. So to
00:04:34 pull the wool over people's eyes, to still have 10 commandments in Exodus 20, what they do is they
00:04:38 skip the second commandment. So they go first, straight from the first, thou shalt have no other
00:04:43 gods before me to the third. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord God in vain. And then to get
00:04:49 10 commandments, what they do is they take the 10th commandment, thou shalt not covet, and they break
00:04:52 that up into two commandments. Thou shalt not covet your neighbor's wife, and then thou shalt not
00:04:56 covet your neighbor's stuff, his house or his male servant or female servant or his ox or his donkey
00:05:01 or anything that is your neighbor's, right? 0.62
00:05:03 So that's what Rome does
00:05:04 is they take the 10th commandment
00:05:05 and break it into two
00:05:06 and delete the second commandment
00:05:08 so they still have, you know, 10 commandments.
00:05:11 And Rome does that
00:05:12 because they're fine with images in every regard.
00:05:15 They're fine with the painting,
00:05:16 they're fine with the sculpture.
00:05:18 Eastern Orthodoxy is fine with the painting,
00:05:20 but not the sculpture.
00:05:21 And so there's multiple ways
00:05:22 that they've, you know,
00:05:23 distinguished themselves
00:05:24 and say it's a really, really big deal. 0.99
00:05:25 And some of it is the Philoky matter,
00:05:27 certainly processions within the Godhead matter. 0.65
00:05:31 But at the end of the day, what it really came down to was it was a battle of authority.
00:05:36 Who's in charge?
00:05:37 Who has authority?
00:05:38 Does it rest in Rome?
00:05:39 Does it rest with the Pope?
00:05:40 Or does it rest with the council over here?
00:05:42 And those kinds of things.
00:05:43 So Eastern Orthodoxy, like Roman Catholicism, I believe that if you follow it to the T,
00:05:48 it is outside of Orthodoxy, ironically.
00:05:51 Eastern Orthodoxy is not Orthodoxy. 0.88
00:05:53 If you follow it to the T, then you will go to hell because it is a false teaching. 0.83
00:05:58 It denies the gospel of Jesus Christ.
00:06:00 Both do. 0.78
00:06:00 They introduce works, they introduce saints, idolatry, these kinds of things.
00:06:05 They introduce grace being infused, not imputed, not righteousness accredited to our account
00:06:11 by faith alone.
00:06:12 So not righteousness and grace imputed through faith, but rather infused through sacraments.
00:06:18 Both are similar in that regard.
00:06:20 Yes, I would be willing to debate an Eastern Orthodox guy.
00:06:25 I'd have to find the right guy that I feel willing to debate.
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