The NXR Podcast - November 23, 2022


QUESTIONS - Is God Ever Thankful Toward Us?


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Is God thankful to those who obey His Word, or is he only pleased with their obedience? Is God generally thankful for anything, or does He have no reason to be thankful? In this episode, Pastor Ken ponders this question.

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00:00:21.300 A friend and I had a discussion over this question, is God thankful?
00:00:24.800 Is he thankful to those who obey his word or only pleased with their obedience?
00:00:31.360 Is he generally thankful for anything or does he have no reason to be?
00:00:37.100 That's a good question.
00:00:38.360 All right, let me look something up.
00:00:41.620 I think the text that I want to look at is Luke chapter 17.
00:00:49.180 It's a parable.
00:00:50.300 luke chapter 17 and we'd probably start in verse 7 let's see let me just read it could be the wrong
00:01:01.360 passage we'll see uh luke chapter 17 starting verse 7 through verse 10 will any one of you who
00:01:07.620 has a servant plowing or keeping sheep say to him when he has come in from the field come at once
00:01:13.400 and recline at table will he not rather say to him prepare supper for me and dress properly
00:01:18.420 and serve me while I eat and drink, and afterward you will eat and drink. Does he thank the servant
00:01:25.000 because he did what was commanded? So you also, when you have done all that you were commanded,
00:01:30.820 say, we are unworthy servants. We have only done what is our duty. There you go.
00:01:39.860 Let me read it again. And remember, this is Jesus, right? This is a parable. It's talking,
00:01:43.960 in the parable, the characters at play are earthly servants and an earthly master.
00:01:48.420 but the guy who's telling the parable is the lord jesus christ the second member of the trinity
00:01:53.540 the son of god and jesus seems that he's not he's not now jesus uses different parables for
00:01:59.120 different purposes but in this particular parable it doesn't seem as though christ is saying
00:02:02.500 this is the way the world works but not so with me as the heavenly master not so with god who is
00:02:12.300 your ultimate true master, eternal master. It doesn't seem like that's the purpose of the
00:02:18.400 parable. It doesn't seem as Jesus is saying, this is what occurs in the earthly servant master
00:02:23.600 relationship, but that is entirely distinct and contrasted from the heavenly relationship between
00:02:32.440 Christians and God as their master. No, instead it seems like Jesus is saying, here's a scenario,
00:02:38.800 an illustration, if you will, that we can find on earth that is indicative of the relationship
00:02:47.040 that we find in heaven. The way that a master and servant relate to one another on earth is
00:02:55.780 similar, at least similar, not contrasted, but similar to the nature of the relationship between
00:03:02.240 Christians and their master who is in heaven, their relationship with God. I'll read it one
00:03:07.880 more time will any uh this is luke 17 verse 7 through 10 will any one of you who has a servant
00:03:13.860 plowing or keeping sheep say to him when he has come in from the field come at once and recline
00:03:19.360 at table oh you've you just got done working now have a seat take off your coat and stay a while
00:03:25.360 let me let me fan you to help cool you down get you a nice cold glass of lemonade does any does
00:03:31.600 that occur you know and the implicit answer is no no that's not how it works come at once and
00:03:36.660 recline at table. Verse eight now, will he not rather say to him, prepare supper for me and
00:03:42.280 dress properly and serve me while I eat and drink. And afterward you will eat and drink.
00:03:48.160 Does he thank the servant? And there's your question, Luke McLean. Does he thank the servant
00:03:54.160 because he did what was commanded? So you also, when you have done all that you were commanded,
00:04:00.400 right? So now he's speaking to the disciples. So you also, when you have done all that was
00:04:04.300 commanded of your heavenly master, God, you should simply say, we are unworthy servants.
00:04:10.180 We have only done what was our duty. Meaning this, no man can say to God, I have done you a favor.
00:04:19.640 No matter what it is that we do in this lifetime for the Lord, no matter how we're remembered by
00:04:25.740 church history, whether we're a martyr, whether we're one of the most faithful people who have
00:04:29.880 ever lived, whether you're the apostle Paul or whatever it might be, the most sanctified man on
00:04:35.680 earth who lives his entire life towards the Lord Jesus Christ, not sinless perfection because no
00:04:41.560 man can do that but Christ alone, but he gets as close as you could possibly get, right? Let's say
00:04:46.160 that apart from Christ, you're the most sanctified man to walk the earth. You do much faithful
00:04:50.540 ministry for the Lord Jesus. In that scenario, you still could not claim when you stand before
00:04:58.520 jesus and he says well done good and faithful servant this is the master commending the servant
00:05:04.320 but that's not necessarily to be taken as the master thanking the servant there is a difference
00:05:09.860 between commending and gratitude that jesus will say well done good and faithful servant and jesus
00:05:16.440 right now he's giving us our cue he's saying when you step into the pearly gates and when you see
00:05:22.000 me and i say well done good and faithful servant here's your response we are unworthy servants we
00:05:27.580 have only done what was our duty. We did not do you a favor, Master, the Lord Jesus Christ, God,
00:05:34.780 our heavenly Master. We did not do you a favor. We simply did what we owed. And in fact, in fact,
00:05:41.700 because we don't reach sinless perfection in this life, we would have to say we have only done what
00:05:49.300 was our duty and in some degree or another, in this way and in that, we actually failed
00:05:56.580 to do our duty. We did less than our duty would be the biblical teaching. So no one does God a
00:06:04.700 favor. The best that a Christian can do by grace through faith in Christ in obedience is not doing 0.77
00:06:11.220 God a favor above and beyond, but simply doing their duty. And because we don't believe in sinless
00:06:17.400 perfection in this life, right? First John chapter one, verse eight and nine, if we say we have no
00:06:21.660 sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. But if we confess our sins, he is faithful
00:06:26.880 and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So every single
00:06:31.520 Christian, the best that we can say when we stand before Christ and he says, well done,
00:06:35.640 good and faithful servant, we can respond by saying we have only done what was our duty and
00:06:40.320 we are deeply repentant for all the ways that we did less, not more, but less than our duty
00:06:46.740 because we are sinners saved by grace.
00:06:51.000 He doesn't thank them.
00:06:52.520 So I don't know.
00:06:53.520 I mean, you could read into it a little bit more.
00:06:55.180 That's it.
00:06:55.480 That's my hot take, right?
00:06:56.940 That's my hot take.
00:06:57.660 But in terms of what I can tell,
00:07:00.120 biblically speaking,
00:07:01.360 I don't think that God thanks us for our obedience.
00:07:04.680 I do believe that God rewards us for obedience,
00:07:07.440 but this is grace.
00:07:08.960 And I believe that God commends us for obedience.
00:07:12.320 I do believe in heavenly rewards, right?
00:07:13.980 That's a highly debatable thing.
00:07:15.160 I don't believe in final justification, another John Piper-ism.
00:07:19.360 So I don't believe in final justification.
00:07:21.740 I would stand against other things that are similar to that, federal vision.
00:07:27.280 So I don't believe in final justification.
00:07:28.680 We're justified by grace alone, through faith alone, and Christ alone.
00:07:32.700 That's it.
00:07:33.620 That's it.
00:07:34.140 But I do believe that we will be rewarded in heaven, not with salvation.
00:07:39.580 Salvation is received by grace alone, through faith alone, and Christ alone.
00:07:43.960 That's it.
00:07:44.480 That's it. Justification is all of grace. But I do believe that as we seek in our Christian
00:07:51.020 lives post-justification, as we seek to obey God, that we will receive certain heavenly rewards.
00:07:57.640 There's a lot of debate as to what those are. Jonathan Edwards, I'll just, I'll do this real
00:08:02.600 quick, as quick as I can. But Jonathan Edwards talks about, you know, people's capacity for
00:08:06.660 enjoying God, right? Westminster catechism, shorter catechism, first question and longer
00:08:14.660 is, you know, what is the chief end of man? To glorify God and enjoy him forever, right? So it's
00:08:19.760 to glorify God. We do that by obeying God. That's one of the ways we bring him glory, trusting in
00:08:24.860 God, faith in God, obedience to God, but also to enjoy God forever, right? John Owen talks about
00:08:30.800 that. The heart of the gospel is justification by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone,
00:08:35.140 but the end of the gospel is eternal and perfect, satisfying communion with the triune God, right?
00:08:42.720 So enjoying God is the chief end of man. It's part of the chief end of man. And what Edwards argues
00:08:48.620 is that people in heaven will have varying, right? Because again, it's not egalitarian.
00:08:53.680 There's hierarchy in heaven, right? They're a cherubim and seraphim. There's four living
00:08:57.880 creatures covered with eyes, with six wings, with two they fly, two they cover their feet,
00:09:02.720 too. They cover their faces and they cry out, holy, holy, holy. There's 24 elders. And then
00:09:08.280 there's a lot of angelic beings that are not elders. 24 elders sitting on thrones, casting
00:09:13.000 their crowns, right? But then there are, you know, so there's a pecking order. There's a hierarchy
00:09:18.720 in heaven and God has created hierarchy on earth. There is no Marxism in the Christian faith
00:09:24.520 anywhere, not even in hell. Jesus literally talks about how one will be given a severe beating and
00:09:31.960 one will be given a lesser beating hell will be no picnic for anyone hell will be bad for everyone 0.90
00:09:38.040 but it will not be equally bad right jesus says when he's pronouncing woes on jewish cities on
00:09:44.320 on cities in israel he says it will be worse for you than it was for sodom and gomorrah for if the
00:09:49.620 miracles that i performed in you were performed in sodom and gomorrah they would have repented long
00:09:54.700 ago meaning what when there is there are degrees of sin not all sins are equal all sins are equal
00:10:00.880 in their ability to separate us from God,
00:10:03.380 to send us to hell for eternity,
00:10:05.220 and all sins are also equal for the redeemed
00:10:07.620 in the sense that a little sin or a big sin
00:10:09.980 still merits, if we are to be saved,
00:10:12.480 it merits the death of Jesus on the cross.
00:10:14.720 So all sin is equal in that regard.
00:10:16.920 But there are sins that God detests
00:10:19.020 and sins that God hates.
00:10:20.860 God hates all sin, but he does not hate all sin equally.
00:10:24.600 And all sin does not have equal consequences
00:10:27.760 in earthly terms, in physical terms.
00:10:30.680 Some sins will ruin your life.
00:10:32.840 The Bible even says there are sins that lead to death, right?
00:10:35.700 So sin is not equal, hell is not equal, heaven's not equal, and earth is not equal.
00:10:40.260 And so getting to heaven, everyone who's in heaven has been equally justified.
00:10:45.500 There are no degrees of justification.
00:10:47.580 There are degrees of sanctification.
00:10:49.920 Yet God is sovereign, not only over our justification, but also our sanctification.
00:10:54.640 So if someone is more sanctified than someone else, even that is still of grace.
00:10:59.680 It's God's doing.
00:11:01.220 God creates by his grace.
00:11:02.780 God performs, I should say, by the spirit and his grace, a greater degree of sanctification
00:11:07.420 for one than the other.
00:11:08.640 And then God rewards in heaven with a greater reward.
00:11:12.160 God is ultimately graciously rewarding his own gracious work of sanctification.
00:11:18.040 But some will get greater rewards because God graciously performed a greater degree
00:11:22.640 of sanctification in one than the other.
00:11:24.500 Edwards says that what those rewards may look like is that everyone will be satisfied in heaven.
00:11:30.440 There will be no lack.
00:11:31.280 There will be no discontentment.
00:11:33.140 Everyone will be satisfied.
00:11:35.040 Everyone will be, right, the chief end of man to glorify God and enjoy him forever.
00:11:41.460 Everyone will be fully enjoying God.
00:11:44.620 But we will have varying capacities for enjoying God.
00:11:49.280 So think of it like, don't think of it
00:11:51.980 as like a bunch of cups set up on a table
00:11:54.860 and one is half full and one's three quarters full,
00:11:57.400 one is a fifth full and one is completely full.
00:12:00.580 Don't think of it like that.
00:12:01.700 Think of it like balloons, all right?
00:12:04.940 And think of all these balloons.
00:12:07.320 Is there any square inch, cubic inch
00:12:10.880 inside of the balloon that's not filled with air, right?
00:12:13.380 They're all full, but think of balloons
00:12:15.840 that one is, they're all full of air.
00:12:18.340 There's not one space inside of the balloon that doesn't have air in it, right?
00:12:22.420 But think of some balloons are this size and some are this size, right?
00:12:26.000 So those of you who are listening on the podcast, some balloons are larger and some are smaller,
00:12:31.080 meaning that there's no space inside of the small balloon or the large balloon that's
00:12:36.100 not filled with air, but some balloons have more air blown into them than others, right?
00:12:42.000 That the cup grows, to switch it back to that illustration, the balloon expands.
00:12:46.640 And so Edwards argues that varying rewards,
00:12:50.960 heavenly rewards for obedience on this earth,
00:12:53.280 which is still brought about by God's grace,
00:12:55.120 it's he who wills and works in and through us,
00:12:57.940 that which is good and pleasing in his sight,
00:12:59.880 but God rewarding his own grace,
00:13:02.580 God rewards not equally,
00:13:04.140 but there will be a variance in God's rewards
00:13:07.360 for that same variance of God's sanctification
00:13:10.220 that he brings about by grace in this life,
00:13:12.480 but nobody is empty.
00:13:14.860 Everyone's full, but people have a varying degree of capacity for fullness.
00:13:20.020 And full of what?
00:13:21.960 Satisfaction, fulfillment, enjoyment of God.
00:13:25.480 And personally, I believe that in heaven, we will evolve, right?
00:13:30.180 Not like Darwin evolution, but we will continue to grow.
00:13:35.780 We will continue to develop.
00:13:37.600 When we go to heaven, we will immediately be sinless, but we won't be omniscient.
00:13:43.100 We will always be creatures.
00:13:44.360 So even after glorification, we are still creaturely.
00:13:47.940 We are not ever going to be infinite.
00:13:50.240 So we'll still be finite.
00:13:51.820 Now, will we die in heaven?
00:13:52.940 No.
00:13:53.500 Will we get sick in heaven?
00:13:54.560 No.
00:13:54.940 Will we sin in heaven?
00:13:55.980 No.
00:13:56.380 So there's a minimum bottom, a baseline entry into heaven that comes with glorification.
00:14:03.840 First John says, when we see him, we'll be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
00:14:07.700 We'll be like him in what way?
00:14:09.660 He's divine.
00:14:10.300 So when we see him in his divinity, we'll be like him, we'll also be divine.
00:14:14.240 No, that's a heresy.
00:14:16.200 No, it's speaking of his sinlessness.
00:14:18.260 When we see Christ in his sinlessness, we will be like him in that regard, also sinless.
00:14:25.360 But my point is we will develop in heaven in terms of learning, right?
00:14:29.920 We will know certain things 10,000 years into heaven that we did not know upon our first
00:14:37.320 entry into heaven.
00:14:38.460 And I also think not only will we increase in our knowledge, well, knowledge of what?
00:14:43.680 Knowledge of a myriad of things, but the chief knowledge being knowledge of God.
00:14:47.060 And as we know more of God, that increases our capacity for enjoying God.
00:14:51.520 And I think that some people will enter heaven, the starting baseline, there's a minimum bottom
00:14:57.200 line, sinlessness, glorification, done with sickness, done with death, we won't grow weary,
00:15:02.880 all those kinds of things that the Bible teaches.
00:15:04.640 That's the minimum baseline for all Christians, regardless of degrees of sanctification, because 0.99
00:15:09.240 there are no degrees of justification.
00:15:10.960 You are fully justified by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
00:15:14.800 You have his righteousness, and his righteousness doesn't vary.
00:15:18.420 It's the full righteousness of God, and that's the basis of our justification.
00:15:22.000 So everyone will enter heaven with a bottom baseline, as I've already said.
00:15:26.880 But upon entry, those who have been more sanctified in their obedience, I think will receive greater
00:15:31.900 rewards.
00:15:32.340 And one of those rewards is, I think, starting out in heaven with a higher capacity for enjoying
00:15:37.860 God, knowing God and enjoying God.
00:15:40.560 But everyone, regardless of where they start, I think will be growing in heaven.
00:15:44.700 I don't think that we'll be still, that we'll be stagnant, that we'll be stuck, right?
00:15:49.580 That you get into heaven like this and that's where you stay.
00:15:52.480 I think we'll all be increasing in the knowledge and glory of God.
00:15:56.060 We'll all be developing.
00:15:57.240 We'll all be improving.
00:15:58.640 We'll be growing in wisdom.
00:15:59.940 never infinite, never omniscient, always creatures, but glorified creatures and developing
00:16:06.200 creatures. I believe that the Bible speaks to that. Now I've gotten way off, I guess, but Nathan,
00:16:11.760 can you pull that question up one more time? The question that I was already answering. I just
00:16:15.240 want to make sure that I actually got to it. Is God thankful? Beautiful. Yep. So all that being
00:16:21.060 said, rewards, heavenly rewards. Yes. Final justification. Heck no. But heavenly rewards.
00:16:27.160 Yes. Commending faithful servants. Yes. Thanking. No, I don't think so. And I would base that off
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