The NXR Podcast - March 04, 2023


QUESTIONS - Is Remnant Radio Wrong To Support The Asbury Revival？

Topics
false revivals
Hosted by
Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
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Michael Roundtree Josh Jack Deere Bethel Remnant Radio Surprised Andy Stanley Todd White Beginner Sam Storms Kenneth Copeland Willie Brown Raymond Raymond Gordon Lindsay Michael Millerman Michael Brown N.T. Wright Mike Winger James Gillier Nathan and 11 more
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In this episode, Pastor Joel Webbin takes on the purveyors of this emotion-based entity gathering or gathering called a revival, such as Remnant Radio Dudes and Michael Brown. They are misleading many, many people.

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00:00:00 All right, listen, guys, I get it.
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00:00:37 take the time to do so. Thank you so much. God bless. Okay. Will you take on the purveyors of
00:00:48 this emotion-based entity gathering or entry gathering called a revival, such as Remnant
00:00:58 Radio Dudes and Michael Brown? They are misleading many, many people. Okay, that's a good question.
00:01:05 Go ahead and put it up there on the screen so it's bigger. I'm reading right now, guys. Obviously,
00:01:09 you can't see what I'm seeing. I'm seeing very small font. Nathan is now my assistant, my tech
00:01:16 guru he's making the font bigger so that you can see it um and that so that i can see it as well
00:01:21 so you guys can see it because it's in the chat but people watch the video later on when it's no
00:01:25 longer live the chat won't be there so this will now be etched into the video so uh would i be
00:01:31 willing to take on the purveyors would i have a conversation with them a charitable informal
00:01:34 debate uh yes um fun fact a little bit um interesting but uh you mentioned remnant radio
00:01:45 Believe it or not, when I was in college, I said this a week ago when I did a video on
00:01:51 the Asbury Revival, I shared a little bit of my own experience. So when I was in college,
00:01:57 I ended up getting my undergrad from Dallas Baptist University. But before going to Dallas
00:02:01 Baptist, I transferred in. My first two years, I spent those at an unaccredited school,
00:02:08 but Dallas Baptist took the credits, God bless them. But it was an unaccredited school called
00:02:12 Christ for the Nations, also in Dallas, Texas. Many of you are probably not familiar with this,
00:02:17 but some of you might be. Christ for the Nations is a two-year ministry training school,
00:02:21 unaccredited. And the best way I could describe it is it's basically, it's the same thing as
00:02:27 the Bethel School for Wizardry and Witchcraft, right? So like Bill Johnson, Bethel, it's like
00:02:34 those kinds of schools, right? It's a two-year thing. The difference between Bethel and Christ
00:02:39 for the nations, theologically they're the same. They're both heretical, both very much, there's a
00:02:44 health and wealth, name it, word of faith, prosperity gospel being preached, lots of heresy, 0.99
00:02:50 kenosis heresy, all those kinds of things. I don't have time to go into that. I've got videos on the
00:02:54 kenosis heresy with Justin Peters. You can check those out. But the point is, both heretical,
00:02:59 the difference between Christ for the nations and Bethel is that Bethel is cool. That's the only,
00:03:06 Same theology, just Bethel is cool in the sense that Bethel is a young man's prosperity gospel.
00:03:14 The difference between Bethel and Christ for the Nations is the difference between
00:03:17 Todd White and Kenneth Copeland. Todd White, younger generation, false teacher. Kenneth
00:03:24 Copeland, old school, false teacher. So that would be the difference. So imagine Pastor Joel
00:03:30 Webin, what you're hearing right now, this is big news for some of you, because I don't talk
00:03:33 about it often, but Pastor Joel Webbin essentially went to Bethel. Just the William Brannan, Jack
00:03:41 Cole, Gordon Lindsay, which you guys don't even know who these people are probably, but the 1950s
00:03:47 heretics, healing revivals, that version of Bethel. That's where I went. I went to the place,
00:03:54 the kind of place that gave birth later on to Bethel. And I remember there was a revival one
00:03:59 day, in my two years there. And it started, and this, look, this is not, see, that's another
00:04:04 thing. Some of you guys, the reason why you don't like detractors, I would be a detractor,
00:04:08 and you're like, oh, this guy's so critical, right response ministries, more like wrong response
00:04:13 ministries, which I kind of appreciate that. That's a good one, right? Because I say that
00:04:16 for N.T. Wright. N.T. Wright might as well be N.T. Wrong. It's fair. But all that being said,
00:04:22 part of the reason you guys don't like my position or other guys like Justin Peters or guys like Tom
00:04:27 bunk there's a lot of guys right who's saying hey hey hey hey put on the brakes here wait a second
00:04:33 red flags warning warning um you think we're naysayers and we're just raining on the parade
00:04:38 we're quenching the holy spirit um and you're misusing what it means to quench the holy spirit
00:04:44 but all those kinds of things part of the reason you say that is because you haven't experienced
00:04:48 anything like this and you haven't studied the history of revivals and the history of false
00:04:53 revivals. You haven't studied about Amy Simple McPherson and the Foursquare Denomination.
00:04:59 You haven't studied about Jack Cole. You don't know about Gordon Lindsay. You don't know about
00:05:04 William Brannan. You don't know about these things. You don't. You've seen a couple videos
00:05:10 about Benny Hinn. Okay. Good. Good for you. But there's a rich legacy of true revival and there
00:05:20 is a rich legacy of false revivals and you know how they start always testimonies this is not
00:05:28 original this is not unique this isn't special it's not this is always how it starts the revival
00:05:35 that i was a part of at christ for the nations during 2000 it was between 2005 and 2007 testimonies
00:05:41 what was happening was it was worship somebody spoke there was a little bit of a message quasi
00:05:45 message, quasi use of scripture. And then there was worship through song and it was emotional and
00:05:51 there was instrumentation. It was pulling, you know, pulling on, you know, that kind of
00:05:55 hill songy worship, but not as cool because it was Christ for the nations. And then one of the
00:06:01 people in the band, and I believe it was a woman, one of the girls in the band began to share a
00:06:07 testimony. So it's in between songs, you know, the music's still playing and you know how worship
00:06:12 leaders and your typical mega church kind of seeker sensitive context, worship leaders in
00:06:19 those contexts, they fancy themselves preachers. Like they just can't sing the song and sit down.
00:06:26 They've got to say something, right? They're always trying to work a sermon in there in between
00:06:30 verses or right after a bridge or in between songs or after a chorus. And I just want to say
00:06:36 that the Lord, he showed me the other day, he spoke to me, God said to me, it's always,
00:06:42 you know something like that so that happened and his testimony is being shared and then after that
00:06:47 another band member was just worked up just feeling it you know just feeling it they shared
00:06:54 a testimony and a staff member shared a testimony and and kind of opened it up and they just kind
00:07:02 of let the you know didn't move on to the next song we didn't get out of chapel right this chapel
00:07:06 beginning of the day we didn't move out of chapel and we decided you know hey we're just going to
00:07:11 canceled class, at least the next class. And then a lion started forming. And students started
00:07:16 giving testimonies. Then another one. Then another one. And this went from 8 a.m. when chapel started
00:07:22 and it went till 3 p.m. And then they shut it down. But it could have gone for days. And this
00:07:30 is before social media, right? Or at least, you know, I mean, there was a little bit of social
00:07:36 media happening. There was MySpace and the beginnings of Facebook when you still had to
00:07:39 have a college email to get a facebook account if you guys remember those days if if this had
00:07:46 happened my point is this if this had happened today in 2023 and and all this pictures are being
00:07:52 taken see that's the difference what happened with me when i was in school this is not unique
00:07:56 this happens all the time what happened with me if that had happened right now with the technology
00:08:02 that we have and the social media craze that we have and and imagine in my my setting if people
00:08:07 had their phones in their pockets and had cameras on their phones. And we're taking pictures of
00:08:12 these things and immediately posting it on Instagram or taking videos and filming it live
00:08:18 on YouTube, right? And taking short videos and putting it as a reel on Instagram and putting it
00:08:26 on TikTok and all this, like, I guarantee you the school would have started getting so much
00:08:32 attention, positive attention, at least at first, initially, the staff would not have shut it down
00:08:38 at 3 p.m. In fact, if it started to wane, if the line got a little bit shorter with the testimonies,
00:08:43 if the band got time, the staff would be orchestrated like, we're going to sustain this.
00:08:47 The staff would get up, I guarantee it, and say, hey, is there anybody else? And one of the staff
00:08:52 members, hey, could you just preach for a little bit? And then they would look to relieve some of
00:08:55 the band members and let's set somebody else up. And they would have kept it going because the
00:08:59 school's getting a ton of attention. Why not? Why not? So I've been a part of this, and you'll have
00:09:07 to watch the video from last week. I shared about some of the dangers of the confessions. Some of
00:09:11 them were testimonies. Some of them were confessions. God did this for me. Others were, I did this bad
00:09:15 thing. And some of these confessions, they needed to be private confessions. They were private sin,
00:09:21 right? That's the rule of thumb. Sins committed in private, privately confess. Sins public,
00:09:26 publicly confess these were private sins many of them in the vein of sexual immorality right 0.50
00:09:31 because it's a college so it's a bunch of it's a bunch of 19 year olds confessing sins so what's
00:09:38 one of the big sins being confessed at least back then back in the good old days of heresy
00:09:42 back in my days of heresy and prosperity gospel at least when we confessed in most of it was about 0.94
00:09:48 sexual immorality and it wasn't uh guys like the new evangelicals interviewing queer students on 0.68
00:09:54 at least we didn't have that. At least we still understood that sex outside of marriage or sex 0.77
00:10:00 with the same sex, that that was an abomination and sin. So all that being said, people are 1.00
00:10:07 sharing testimonies, but they're also confessing sin. Girls are getting up in front of a thousand
00:10:11 students and confessing their struggles with lust. And guys are in the audience taking note of this,
00:10:18 saying, she's easy prey. It was bad. It was bad. And it went on for seven hours from 8am to 3pm
00:10:30 and it would have gone on longer, I guarantee, if we had had the social media capacity then
00:10:36 that we do today. So I've been a part of these things. These things are not novel.
00:10:42 There's a formula. It happens. There's not just a formula in terms of, oh, you know,
00:10:47 if you look 50 years ago, or back in my day in 2005, or over here, there is a formula at Asbury.
00:10:56 That's another thing that I brought up. You can look at their website, the school's website,
00:11:00 that literally prides itself in having a rich history of revival, and then list dates of
00:11:08 revival. Guess what month virtually every single one of their revivals has been in,
00:11:13 year after year after year going all the way back i think to 1905 was the first one listed february
00:11:20 february february february it's 1905 then it's like 1908 and then 1916 or whatever and like
00:11:28 it just goes out february february occasionally you get a march in there right real far from
00:11:33 february and then right back to february it's not a coincidence the school does certain things
00:11:39 at that time i mean you can find the francis chan video that talks about how he was going to be
00:11:43 scheduled to go to Asbury and it was going to be in February towards the end of February. And so
00:11:47 they were working up towards this, building up, getting ready. There's all, yeah. All right,
00:11:53 Nathan, put the question back on there. Let me read it one more time. So would I talk to remnant
00:12:01 radio, right? That's what I was getting at. Christ for the Nations. When I was at Christ
00:12:07 for the nations. When I was in Dallas, ironically, Michael Roundtree, who is now, he's replaced Sam
00:12:17 Storms as the pastor in Oklahoma of Sam Storms Church. But Michael Roundtree, at the time, he was,
00:12:24 well, at the time, he was actually the youth pastor of Jack Deere, Jack Deere's church. And
00:12:30 Jack Deere, many of you don't know him, he wrote Surprised by the Holy Spirit, Surprised by the
00:12:35 Voice of God. Those were two of his more popular books. The Beginner's Guide to Prophecy is another
00:12:40 book that he wrote. Jack Deere was an old school vineyard guy. He had some dealings, relationship
00:12:47 and stuff with John Wimber. He was a DTS, Dallas Theological Seminary professor there until he was
00:12:54 awakened to the gifts of the spirit, the sign gifts, tongues and prophecy, those kinds of things.
00:12:59 He was pastoring a church in the Dallas Fort Worth area. And that was my background, right? I'm going
00:13:04 to Christ for the Nations, the kind of Pentecostal background. I also had a background with the
00:13:09 Vineyard. I was raised in the Vineyard Church, those kinds of things. So I was familiar with
00:13:12 John Wimbert and I was familiar with Jack Deere. I had read his books. I've read Surprised by the
00:13:16 Voice of God, Surprised by the Holy Spirit, Beginner's Guide to Prophecy. I've read Sam
00:13:20 Storm's stuff, The Beginner's Guide for Spiritual Gifts. I've read Wayne Grudem, all these kinds of
00:13:24 guys. And some of those guys are better than other guys, just for the record. I'm putting them all in
00:13:28 a similar category, but it's fair to say that some are more faithful and some are less faithful.
00:13:36 But all that being said, Jack Deere's there in Dallas. I have that background. I'm aware of him.
00:13:41 So I'm looking for a church to go to. I find Jack Deere's church. I go there. Michael Roundtree
00:13:44 is the youth pastor. And so I wanted to serve at the church and not just consume. I thought maybe
00:13:51 I could help serve in the youth group. And so I did. And Michael welcomed me in. And Michael
00:13:56 Roundtree, um, knew the Bible better than anyone I had ever met up to that point in my life. I'd
00:14:05 never met someone who had more scripture memorized and, and, and I got to watch him do it, right?
00:14:11 It wasn't just that he was super smart and he's an intelligent guy, but, um, it's not like
00:14:16 memorizing scripture was just easy for him. Uh, he was disciplined. He was a very, very disciplined
00:14:21 and I know he still is a very disciplined man. And I got to spend a lot of time and Michael
00:14:27 Rountree became my mentor. Um, and you know, he mentored me and things like the gifts of the
00:14:34 spirit. I actually, uh, would teach on things like prophecy and prophetic etiquette, right?
00:14:40 How to prophesy without being too weird. And, uh, the distinctions between old Testament prophecy
00:14:46 and new Testament prophet things that I think you guys know, if you follow the channel, um,
00:14:50 I don't believe any of those things anymore.
00:14:53 So when I say I'm a cessationist, just for the record, some of you, this is your first
00:14:56 time hearing this.
00:14:57 You need to know.
00:14:57 When I say I'm a cessationist, it's not because I have no idea what's on the other side of
00:15:01 the aisle.
00:15:03 I've been in the word of faith, oneness Pentecostal side of the aisle.
00:15:09 I've been in the vineyard side of the aisle.
00:15:11 I was a vineyard church planter, raised in the vineyard.
00:15:15 I've been in the more tempered, third wave, continuationist side of the aisle.
00:15:20 Yes, I know the terms, prophetic etiquette, and two or three should prophesy while the
00:15:26 rest are way what's being said.
00:15:28 New Testament prophecy can be, you know, a part of it can be true, but part of it can
00:15:32 err.
00:15:32 And so we don't say, thus saith the Lord.
00:15:34 We say, I feel like the Lord is saying, or I think the Lord might be saying, and we allow
00:15:39 people to weigh it, right?
00:15:40 That's prophetic etiquette.
00:15:42 That's in the third wave kind of continuation.
00:15:44 That would be your John Pipers, your Wayne Grudems, your Sam Storms, your Michael Roundtrees,
00:15:49 you're Josh, the guys with Remnant Radio. Michael Miller is on Remnant Radio. I was
00:15:55 roommates. Me and Michael Miller lived together. We shared a house for a couple of years. So I
00:16:02 know these guys is my point. You guys don't know this because I don't ever talk about it
00:16:06 because they stayed on the same route and I went a very different path. I went strong
00:16:16 into reform theology and then confessionally reform theology. 1689, cessationism, covenant
00:16:25 theology, theonomy, post-millennialism, congregationalism. The old ways are strong
00:16:34 with this one. Joel, that's just, in God's sovereignty, that's where I went. And I found
00:16:42 those things to be, in my assessment, most likely to be biblically true. I was more convinced of the 0.94
00:16:50 biblical merit of the positions I hold now, which is why I hold them. And so obviously I'm not as
00:16:56 close to these guys as I used to. But that said, you know what? Michael Rountree, talking about
00:17:01 him, he's the guy that I had the closest relationship with. Him and Josh on Remnant Radio
00:17:06 recently did an episode about Andy Stanley. And you know what? I thought they did a great job.
00:17:12 I listened to it because I was just curious, are they going to take a strong stance here? Are they
00:17:18 going to really call Andy Stanley out for his remarks about homosexuality and being gay affirming? 0.89
00:17:23 I mean, this is absolutely unbiblical. You have a pastor who represents tens of thousands of people
00:17:31 who can be led astray by his teaching, and he is paving the way for gay affirming churches.
00:17:36 and uh josh i keep saying josh i forget his last name i don't know i don't know him as well
00:17:42 i was long gone by the time that michael and josh uh hooked up but i called michael roundtree
00:17:48 after listening to that episode and i talked to him and i said brother you did a great job
00:17:54 i'm grateful for you i know we disagree on plenty of things and he said the same thing to me
00:18:02 Michael Roundtree loves me.
00:18:04 At this point, I've been on Remnant Radio before.
00:18:07 At this point, I think I've made my position so clear on certain issues that are controversial,
00:18:12 like theonomy, like patriarchy, biblical patriarchy.
00:18:17 I think I've been so clear about those things.
00:18:18 At this point, they probably wouldn't have me on Remnant Radio.
00:18:22 I think I'd be too spicy.
00:18:25 But that doesn't mean that they hate me.
00:18:27 That doesn't mean they're mean.
00:18:28 Michael Roundtree is probably, again, I don't know Josh as well,
00:18:31 But Michael Roundtree is probably one of the most humble and kind individuals that I personally
00:18:38 know.
00:18:40 And, and I, you know, I'd love to say otherwise, I'll be honest.
00:18:43 I would love to say otherwise and say, here's this continuationist and they've had Michael
00:18:46 Brown on the show.
00:18:47 They've had Francis Chan on the show.
00:18:49 They've had, they had Todd White on the show, you know, and I like, I'm like, dude, what
00:18:52 are you doing?
00:18:53 You know?
00:18:53 And like, and here's these guys and, and I'd love to say, and, and, and I know them behind
00:18:58 the scenes and they're, and they're like, they're arrogant and they're, you know, because here's the
00:19:02 doctrine and here's the fruit in their private lives. And, um, but I, I would be, um, God would
00:19:08 judge me for saying that because it wouldn't be true. I'd be lying. I would be bearing false
00:19:12 witness. Um, I think Michael Rountree is wrong on some positions. Uh, but him and Josh are both
00:19:17 within the bounds of orthodoxy. They invite some guys who are outside of the bounds of orthodoxy
00:19:22 on their show. And I, their defense would say, well, in the beginning of our show, we give the
00:19:26 disclaimer. Some of these guys we agree with, some of them we don't. And we're disrupting
00:19:30 theological echo chambers. I think that's like their little tagline, which I would translate
00:19:36 that. Disrupting theological echo chambers, aka sowing seeds of theological confusion.
00:19:43 I don't think that's helpful. I understand people like that, right? That sells, that'll get you lots
00:19:47 of views. And some of you listening right now wish I did more of that. Why don't you have more guys
00:19:51 that disagree with you on the show? Because I'm not just trying to get a bunch of people to watch
00:19:56 my show. I'm trying to have systematic, organized, faithful clarity, consistency, and doctrine again
00:20:07 and again and again, hour after hour, day after day, week after week, year after year, episode
00:20:15 after episode after episode after episode of a consistent, systematic theology that makes sense
00:20:24 of the whole of scripture in line with the witness of church history, confessional, robust,
00:20:31 reformed, true. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm not trying to disrupt theological echo chambers.
00:20:38 In my assessment, again, I would translate that as disrupting theological echo chambers means
00:20:44 showing this position, that position, this position, that, and at some level, I think,
00:20:50 just introducing theological conclusion or confusion. That's how confusing it is. You
00:20:56 can't even say the word confusion. Um, and, and I've told Michael this and I'm sure Michael will
00:21:01 watch this. Um, so we disagree. So they probably wouldn't have me on the show. Um, and depending
00:21:08 on the topic, I probably wouldn't have them on mine, but I'd be open and they might be open too.
00:21:13 But the point is this, that Andy Stanley episode that Josh and Michael did fantastic. I had to,
00:21:20 literally just had to call him. And me and Michael aren't best friends anymore. He's in Oklahoma.
00:21:24 I'm in Texas. We're both serving the Lord. We're in different camps. But they're Orthodox. They
00:21:30 have some guys, like I said, that I think are not Orthodox and dangerous. But Michael and Josh, 1.00
00:21:36 remnant radio, they're Orthodox guys. I think they're wrong on the gifts, but they're Orthodox 1.00
00:21:42 guys. And again, I can't say for Josh, but Michael Roundtree is, in terms of character, 1.00
00:21:50 Michael Roundtree is, he's an incredible man. He is an incredible man and he loves the Bible.
00:21:57 And he would tell you that that's why he's a continuationist because he can't find a sufficient
00:22:03 convincing biblical argument to say that the sign gifts have ceased. And we have just have to agree
00:22:09 to disagree on that point. So all that being said, would I take, would I challenge some of
00:22:14 the purveyors of the Asbury revival being a good thing? I didn't know Remnant Radio said it was a
00:22:19 good thing it sounds like that's what you're getting at uh raymond um oh i dude i i'm sorry
00:22:26 flaw her flaw her tea flaw her tea i don't know raymond we'll go with raymond raymond it sounds
00:22:34 like that's what you know that's what i'm assuming from the way that you're phrasing the question it
00:22:38 sounds like remnant radio is you know not that they're saying everything about the asbury revival
00:22:42 is great but that at least in a general sense that they're for it whereas in a general sense
00:22:47 I'm against it. And if that's the case, yeah, I would talk to them. I'd be down to talk to Josh
00:22:53 and Michael. I don't know if it would happen, but I say all that to say, yes, to answer your
00:22:58 question, yes, I'd be willing to have a conversation with them. I would be willing to talk to people
00:23:01 that I disagree with. The reason why I don't do it a ton on the show, I did it with Mike Winger
00:23:05 over the doctrine of theonomy. I'm willing to do it from time to time with guys who I believe are
00:23:13 in the bounds of orthodoxy. And I do believe that Michael Roundtree is in the bounds of
00:23:18 orthodoxy. So I'd be willing to, like I did with Mike Winger, I'd be willing to do that with Michael
00:23:24 Roundtree, have a conversation where it's a, you know, it's not an official debate,
00:23:28 it's an informal, you know, organic, charitable debate, pushing back. And I'm willing to do that
00:23:34 from time to time. But the reason why that's not going to be the meat and potatoes of Right
00:23:38 response ministries is because I'm not trying to disrupt theological echo chambers. I'm trying to
00:23:44 get a monopoly on the theological echo chamber that's actually true because it's biblical and
00:23:51 then blast that out to as many people as possible and say, yeah, come in this chamber. And yes,
00:23:57 everyone on this show, for the most part, there's some differences. I got Presbyterians,
00:24:01 but for the most part, we're aligned because we're right. And I want to hear you. I want you
00:24:09 to hear what's right. And I know some of you can't even hear that without thinking, oh, that's so
00:24:13 arrogant. Look, everybody, there's nothing original or novel about that statement. Everyone
00:24:20 believes what they believe is right. That's why they believe it. Everyone thinks they're right.
00:24:27 right otherwise if i'd love to meet that person honestly like can you can you introduce me to
00:24:34 that person if you're that person email me i'd just love to meet you you'd be the first person
00:24:38 in eight billion people on the planet that are currently alive that would fit this description
00:24:42 i would love to meet the person who holds a view that they think is wrong
00:24:46 they actually they're consciously aware that the view that they're still deliberately choosing to
00:24:52 hold and present to others is the wrong view. So they think it's wrong, but they still hold it.
00:24:59 Everybody thinks they're right. Everybody does. Everybody thinks they're right. Now I'm aware
00:25:05 that I could be wrong, but if I was conscious specifically, particularly about the theological
00:25:11 issues that actually were wrong, guess what I would do? I'd change my positions. So yeah,
00:25:16 the positions that I currently hold are the positions. Here it is. It's crazy, crazy concept.
00:25:21 I know the positions, theological positions that I currently hold are the positions that I think are
00:25:26 right. And you think the same thing. We all do. And so, yes, I want to get guys who have similar
00:25:35 positions within a narrow vein of what I deem as being biblical, faithful, true, because I think
00:25:44 that that's going to be most helpful. Crazy, crazy, absolute craziness. The strategy for this
00:25:52 ministry, right? Response Ministries. Joel thinks that his doctrine is biblical and he wants to get
00:25:57 other people who have doctrine that is biblical so that they can get out biblical doctrine to
00:26:03 people. Wow. Right. I know it's madness, but you just have to humor me. Can I be frank with you
00:26:08 for just a second right here at the end? Look, some of you guys, you're financially supporting
00:26:13 this ministry. And from the bottom of my heart, I say, thank you. I cannot thank you enough.
00:26:20 However, some of you, you just, you can't afford it. In fact, some of you, you shouldn't afford it.
00:26:26 Let's be honest. I mean, we're living in Joe Biden's ridiculous economy. Our nation and our 0.91
00:26:33 totalitarian political elites lost their minds over the last three years due to COVID. We have
00:26:42 written checks that we simply cannot cash. It doesn't matter if people change the definition
00:26:47 of a recession. We are living in a recession right now regardless. Some of you are struggling
00:26:54 to afford a carton of eggs at the grocery store. You cannot support financially this ministry at
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