The NXR Podcast - QUESTIONS - Is Remnant Radio Wrong To Support The Asbury Revival？

00:00:00.000 All right, listen, guys, I get it.

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00:00:31.860 perhaps even more effective than that, you can share our podcast with a friend. We hope you'll

00:00:37.060 take the time to do so. Thank you so much. God bless. Okay. Will you take on the purveyors of

00:00:48.500 this emotion-based entity gathering or entry gathering called a revival, such as Remnant

00:00:58.040 Radio Dudes and Michael Brown? They are misleading many, many people. Okay, that's a good question.

00:01:05.740 Go ahead and put it up there on the screen so it's bigger. I'm reading right now, guys. Obviously,

00:01:09.680 you can't see what I'm seeing. I'm seeing very small font. Nathan is now my assistant, my tech

00:01:16.420 guru he's making the font bigger so that you can see it um and that so that i can see it as well

00:01:21.480 so you guys can see it because it's in the chat but people watch the video later on when it's no

00:01:25.640 longer live the chat won't be there so this will now be etched into the video so uh would i be

00:01:31.160 willing to take on the purveyors would i have a conversation with them a charitable informal

00:01:34.960 debate uh yes um fun fact a little bit um interesting but uh you mentioned remnant radio

00:01:45.400 Believe it or not, when I was in college, I said this a week ago when I did a video on

00:01:51.340 the Asbury Revival, I shared a little bit of my own experience. So when I was in college,

00:01:57.460 I ended up getting my undergrad from Dallas Baptist University. But before going to Dallas

00:02:01.520 Baptist, I transferred in. My first two years, I spent those at an unaccredited school,

00:02:08.720 but Dallas Baptist took the credits, God bless them. But it was an unaccredited school called

00:02:12.800 Christ for the Nations, also in Dallas, Texas. Many of you are probably not familiar with this,

00:02:17.340 but some of you might be. Christ for the Nations is a two-year ministry training school,

00:02:21.800 unaccredited. And the best way I could describe it is it's basically, it's the same thing as

00:02:27.220 the Bethel School for Wizardry and Witchcraft, right? So like Bill Johnson, Bethel, it's like

00:02:34.820 those kinds of schools, right? It's a two-year thing. The difference between Bethel and Christ

00:02:39.160 for the nations, theologically they're the same. They're both heretical, both very much, there's a

00:02:44.780 health and wealth, name it, word of faith, prosperity gospel being preached, lots of heresy,

00:02:50.820 kenosis heresy, all those kinds of things. I don't have time to go into that. I've got videos on the

00:02:54.760 kenosis heresy with Justin Peters. You can check those out. But the point is, both heretical,

00:02:59.980 the difference between Christ for the nations and Bethel is that Bethel is cool. That's the only,

00:03:06.380 Same theology, just Bethel is cool in the sense that Bethel is a young man's prosperity gospel.

00:03:14.440 The difference between Bethel and Christ for the Nations is the difference between

00:03:17.840 Todd White and Kenneth Copeland. Todd White, younger generation, false teacher. Kenneth

00:03:24.620 Copeland, old school, false teacher. So that would be the difference. So imagine Pastor Joel

00:03:30.740 Webin, what you're hearing right now, this is big news for some of you, because I don't talk

00:03:33.860 about it often, but Pastor Joel Webbin essentially went to Bethel. Just the William Brannan, Jack

00:03:41.320 Cole, Gordon Lindsay, which you guys don't even know who these people are probably, but the 1950s

00:03:47.720 heretics, healing revivals, that version of Bethel. That's where I went. I went to the place,

00:03:54.820 the kind of place that gave birth later on to Bethel. And I remember there was a revival one

00:03:59.680 day, in my two years there. And it started, and this, look, this is not, see, that's another

00:04:04.080 thing. Some of you guys, the reason why you don't like detractors, I would be a detractor,

00:04:08.140 and you're like, oh, this guy's so critical, right response ministries, more like wrong response

00:04:13.260 ministries, which I kind of appreciate that. That's a good one, right? Because I say that

00:04:16.480 for N.T. Wright. N.T. Wright might as well be N.T. Wrong. It's fair. But all that being said,

00:04:22.800 part of the reason you guys don't like my position or other guys like Justin Peters or guys like Tom

00:04:27.880 bunk there's a lot of guys right who's saying hey hey hey hey put on the brakes here wait a second

00:04:33.080 red flags warning warning um you think we're naysayers and we're just raining on the parade

00:04:38.480 we're quenching the holy spirit um and you're misusing what it means to quench the holy spirit

00:04:44.480 but all those kinds of things part of the reason you say that is because you haven't experienced

00:04:48.320 anything like this and you haven't studied the history of revivals and the history of false

00:04:53.420 revivals. You haven't studied about Amy Simple McPherson and the Foursquare Denomination.

00:04:59.520 You haven't studied about Jack Cole. You don't know about Gordon Lindsay. You don't know about

00:05:04.620 William Brannan. You don't know about these things. You don't. You've seen a couple videos

00:05:10.740 about Benny Hinn. Okay. Good. Good for you. But there's a rich legacy of true revival and there

00:05:20.900 is a rich legacy of false revivals and you know how they start always testimonies this is not

00:05:28.000 original this is not unique this isn't special it's not this is always how it starts the revival

00:05:35.320 that i was a part of at christ for the nations during 2000 it was between 2005 and 2007 testimonies

00:05:41.260 what was happening was it was worship somebody spoke there was a little bit of a message quasi

00:05:45.980 message, quasi use of scripture. And then there was worship through song and it was emotional and

00:05:51.880 there was instrumentation. It was pulling, you know, pulling on, you know, that kind of

00:05:55.840 hill songy worship, but not as cool because it was Christ for the nations. And then one of the

00:06:01.940 people in the band, and I believe it was a woman, one of the girls in the band began to share a

00:06:07.820 testimony. So it's in between songs, you know, the music's still playing and you know how worship

00:06:12.940 leaders and your typical mega church kind of seeker sensitive context, worship leaders in

00:06:19.020 those contexts, they fancy themselves preachers. Like they just can't sing the song and sit down.

00:06:26.860 They've got to say something, right? They're always trying to work a sermon in there in between

00:06:30.940 verses or right after a bridge or in between songs or after a chorus. And I just want to say

00:06:36.400 that the Lord, he showed me the other day, he spoke to me, God said to me, it's always,

00:06:42.460 you know something like that so that happened and his testimony is being shared and then after that

00:06:47.540 another band member was just worked up just feeling it you know just feeling it they shared

00:06:54.560 a testimony and a staff member shared a testimony and and kind of opened it up and they just kind

00:07:02.620 of let the you know didn't move on to the next song we didn't get out of chapel right this chapel

00:07:06.600 beginning of the day we didn't move out of chapel and we decided you know hey we're just going to

00:07:11.040 canceled class, at least the next class. And then a lion started forming. And students started

00:07:16.920 giving testimonies. Then another one. Then another one. And this went from 8 a.m. when chapel started

00:07:22.160 and it went till 3 p.m. And then they shut it down. But it could have gone for days. And this

00:07:30.740 is before social media, right? Or at least, you know, I mean, there was a little bit of social

00:07:36.080 media happening. There was MySpace and the beginnings of Facebook when you still had to

00:07:39.760 have a college email to get a facebook account if you guys remember those days if if this had

00:07:46.140 happened my point is this if this had happened today in 2023 and and all this pictures are being

00:07:52.280 taken see that's the difference what happened with me when i was in school this is not unique

00:07:56.740 this happens all the time what happened with me if that had happened right now with the technology

00:08:02.980 that we have and the social media craze that we have and and imagine in my my setting if people

00:08:07.020 had their phones in their pockets and had cameras on their phones. And we're taking pictures of

00:08:12.200 these things and immediately posting it on Instagram or taking videos and filming it live

00:08:18.660 on YouTube, right? And taking short videos and putting it as a reel on Instagram and putting it

00:08:26.040 on TikTok and all this, like, I guarantee you the school would have started getting so much

00:08:32.720 attention, positive attention, at least at first, initially, the staff would not have shut it down

00:08:38.520 at 3 p.m. In fact, if it started to wane, if the line got a little bit shorter with the testimonies,

00:08:43.540 if the band got time, the staff would be orchestrated like, we're going to sustain this.

00:08:47.320 The staff would get up, I guarantee it, and say, hey, is there anybody else? And one of the staff

00:08:52.760 members, hey, could you just preach for a little bit? And then they would look to relieve some of

00:08:55.960 the band members and let's set somebody else up. And they would have kept it going because the

00:08:59.720 school's getting a ton of attention. Why not? Why not? So I've been a part of this, and you'll have

00:09:07.140 to watch the video from last week. I shared about some of the dangers of the confessions. Some of

00:09:11.260 them were testimonies. Some of them were confessions. God did this for me. Others were, I did this bad

00:09:15.980 thing. And some of these confessions, they needed to be private confessions. They were private sin,

00:09:21.680 right? That's the rule of thumb. Sins committed in private, privately confess. Sins public,

00:09:26.920 publicly confess these were private sins many of them in the vein of sexual immorality right

00:09:31.680 because it's a college so it's a bunch of it's a bunch of 19 year olds confessing sins so what's

00:09:38.600 one of the big sins being confessed at least back then back in the good old days of heresy

00:09:42.980 back in my days of heresy and prosperity gospel at least when we confessed in most of it was about

00:09:48.340 sexual immorality and it wasn't uh guys like the new evangelicals interviewing queer students on

00:09:54.880 at least we didn't have that. At least we still understood that sex outside of marriage or sex

00:10:00.180 with the same sex, that that was an abomination and sin. So all that being said, people are

00:10:07.820 sharing testimonies, but they're also confessing sin. Girls are getting up in front of a thousand

00:10:11.600 students and confessing their struggles with lust. And guys are in the audience taking note of this,

00:10:18.880 saying, she's easy prey. It was bad. It was bad. And it went on for seven hours from 8am to 3pm

00:10:30.880 and it would have gone on longer, I guarantee, if we had had the social media capacity then

00:10:36.080 that we do today. So I've been a part of these things. These things are not novel.

00:10:42.420 There's a formula. It happens. There's not just a formula in terms of, oh, you know,

00:10:47.520 if you look 50 years ago, or back in my day in 2005, or over here, there is a formula at Asbury.

00:10:56.340 That's another thing that I brought up. You can look at their website, the school's website,

00:11:00.380 that literally prides itself in having a rich history of revival, and then list dates of

00:11:08.080 revival. Guess what month virtually every single one of their revivals has been in,

00:11:13.620 year after year after year going all the way back i think to 1905 was the first one listed february

00:11:20.680 february february february it's 1905 then it's like 1908 and then 1916 or whatever and like

00:11:28.860 it just goes out february february occasionally you get a march in there right real far from

00:11:33.380 february and then right back to february it's not a coincidence the school does certain things

00:11:39.320 at that time i mean you can find the francis chan video that talks about how he was going to be

00:11:43.400 scheduled to go to Asbury and it was going to be in February towards the end of February. And so

00:11:47.320 they were working up towards this, building up, getting ready. There's all, yeah. All right,

00:11:53.100 Nathan, put the question back on there. Let me read it one more time. So would I talk to remnant

00:12:01.060 radio, right? That's what I was getting at. Christ for the Nations. When I was at Christ

00:12:07.480 for the nations. When I was in Dallas, ironically, Michael Roundtree, who is now, he's replaced Sam

00:12:17.000 Storms as the pastor in Oklahoma of Sam Storms Church. But Michael Roundtree, at the time, he was,

00:12:24.400 well, at the time, he was actually the youth pastor of Jack Deere, Jack Deere's church. And

00:12:30.680 Jack Deere, many of you don't know him, he wrote Surprised by the Holy Spirit, Surprised by the

00:12:35.500 Voice of God. Those were two of his more popular books. The Beginner's Guide to Prophecy is another

00:12:40.660 book that he wrote. Jack Deere was an old school vineyard guy. He had some dealings, relationship

00:12:47.300 and stuff with John Wimber. He was a DTS, Dallas Theological Seminary professor there until he was

00:12:54.060 awakened to the gifts of the spirit, the sign gifts, tongues and prophecy, those kinds of things.

00:12:59.140 He was pastoring a church in the Dallas Fort Worth area. And that was my background, right? I'm going

00:13:04.960 to Christ for the Nations, the kind of Pentecostal background. I also had a background with the

00:13:09.000 Vineyard. I was raised in the Vineyard Church, those kinds of things. So I was familiar with

00:13:12.060 John Wimbert and I was familiar with Jack Deere. I had read his books. I've read Surprised by the

00:13:16.660 Voice of God, Surprised by the Holy Spirit, Beginner's Guide to Prophecy. I've read Sam

00:13:20.040 Storm's stuff, The Beginner's Guide for Spiritual Gifts. I've read Wayne Grudem, all these kinds of

00:13:24.800 guys. And some of those guys are better than other guys, just for the record. I'm putting them all in

00:13:28.980 a similar category, but it's fair to say that some are more faithful and some are less faithful.

00:13:36.500 But all that being said, Jack Deere's there in Dallas. I have that background. I'm aware of him.

00:13:41.040 So I'm looking for a church to go to. I find Jack Deere's church. I go there. Michael Roundtree

00:13:44.520 is the youth pastor. And so I wanted to serve at the church and not just consume. I thought maybe

00:13:51.120 I could help serve in the youth group. And so I did. And Michael welcomed me in. And Michael

00:13:56.100 Roundtree, um, knew the Bible better than anyone I had ever met up to that point in my life. I'd

00:14:05.080 never met someone who had more scripture memorized and, and, and I got to watch him do it, right?

00:14:11.400 It wasn't just that he was super smart and he's an intelligent guy, but, um, it's not like

00:14:16.540 memorizing scripture was just easy for him. Uh, he was disciplined. He was a very, very disciplined

00:14:21.960 and I know he still is a very disciplined man. And I got to spend a lot of time and Michael

00:14:27.940 Rountree became my mentor. Um, and you know, he mentored me and things like the gifts of the

00:14:34.240 spirit. I actually, uh, would teach on things like prophecy and prophetic etiquette, right?

00:14:40.920 How to prophesy without being too weird. And, uh, the distinctions between old Testament prophecy

00:14:46.700 and new Testament prophet things that I think you guys know, if you follow the channel, um,

00:14:50.520 I don't believe any of those things anymore.

00:14:53.140 So when I say I'm a cessationist, just for the record, some of you, this is your first

00:14:56.780 time hearing this.

00:14:57.320 You need to know.

00:14:57.960 When I say I'm a cessationist, it's not because I have no idea what's on the other side of

00:15:01.780 the aisle.

00:15:03.780 I've been in the word of faith, oneness Pentecostal side of the aisle.

00:15:09.640 I've been in the vineyard side of the aisle.

00:15:11.880 I was a vineyard church planter, raised in the vineyard.

00:15:15.700 I've been in the more tempered, third wave, continuationist side of the aisle.

00:15:20.420 Yes, I know the terms, prophetic etiquette, and two or three should prophesy while the

00:15:26.520 rest are way what's being said.

00:15:28.300 New Testament prophecy can be, you know, a part of it can be true, but part of it can

00:15:32.260 err.

00:15:32.940 And so we don't say, thus saith the Lord.

00:15:34.580 We say, I feel like the Lord is saying, or I think the Lord might be saying, and we allow

00:15:39.020 people to weigh it, right?

00:15:40.180 That's prophetic etiquette.

00:15:42.040 That's in the third wave kind of continuation.

00:15:44.560 That would be your John Pipers, your Wayne Grudems, your Sam Storms, your Michael Roundtrees,

00:15:49.460 you're Josh, the guys with Remnant Radio. Michael Miller is on Remnant Radio. I was

00:15:55.300 roommates. Me and Michael Miller lived together. We shared a house for a couple of years. So I

00:16:02.960 know these guys is my point. You guys don't know this because I don't ever talk about it

00:16:06.800 because they stayed on the same route and I went a very different path. I went strong

00:16:16.220 into reform theology and then confessionally reform theology. 1689, cessationism, covenant

00:16:25.400 theology, theonomy, post-millennialism, congregationalism. The old ways are strong

00:16:34.920 with this one. Joel, that's just, in God's sovereignty, that's where I went. And I found

00:16:42.480 those things to be, in my assessment, most likely to be biblically true. I was more convinced of the

00:16:50.680 biblical merit of the positions I hold now, which is why I hold them. And so obviously I'm not as

00:16:56.460 close to these guys as I used to. But that said, you know what? Michael Rountree, talking about

00:17:01.800 him, he's the guy that I had the closest relationship with. Him and Josh on Remnant Radio

00:17:06.520 recently did an episode about Andy Stanley. And you know what? I thought they did a great job.

00:17:12.480 I listened to it because I was just curious, are they going to take a strong stance here? Are they

00:17:18.420 going to really call Andy Stanley out for his remarks about homosexuality and being gay affirming?

00:17:23.760 I mean, this is absolutely unbiblical. You have a pastor who represents tens of thousands of people

00:17:31.140 who can be led astray by his teaching, and he is paving the way for gay affirming churches.

00:17:36.720 and uh josh i keep saying josh i forget his last name i don't know i don't know him as well

00:17:42.940 i was long gone by the time that michael and josh uh hooked up but i called michael roundtree

00:17:48.860 after listening to that episode and i talked to him and i said brother you did a great job

00:17:54.680 i'm grateful for you i know we disagree on plenty of things and he said the same thing to me

00:18:02.860 Michael Roundtree loves me.

00:18:04.960 At this point, I've been on Remnant Radio before.

00:18:07.300 At this point, I think I've made my position so clear on certain issues that are controversial,

00:18:12.920 like theonomy, like patriarchy, biblical patriarchy.

00:18:17.100 I think I've been so clear about those things.

00:18:18.860 At this point, they probably wouldn't have me on Remnant Radio.

00:18:22.160 I think I'd be too spicy.

00:18:25.400 But that doesn't mean that they hate me.

00:18:27.220 That doesn't mean they're mean.

00:18:28.720 Michael Roundtree is probably, again, I don't know Josh as well,

00:18:31.860 But Michael Roundtree is probably one of the most humble and kind individuals that I personally

00:18:38.620 know.

00:18:40.920 And, and I, you know, I'd love to say otherwise, I'll be honest.

00:18:43.480 I would love to say otherwise and say, here's this continuationist and they've had Michael

00:18:46.760 Brown on the show.

00:18:47.580 They've had Francis Chan on the show.

00:18:49.080 They've had, they had Todd White on the show, you know, and I like, I'm like, dude, what

00:18:52.640 are you doing?

00:18:53.220 You know?

00:18:53.520 And like, and here's these guys and, and I'd love to say, and, and, and I know them behind

00:18:58.640 the scenes and they're, and they're like, they're arrogant and they're, you know, because here's the

00:19:02.340 doctrine and here's the fruit in their private lives. And, um, but I, I would be, um, God would

00:19:08.100 judge me for saying that because it wouldn't be true. I'd be lying. I would be bearing false

00:19:12.020 witness. Um, I think Michael Rountree is wrong on some positions. Uh, but him and Josh are both

00:19:17.440 within the bounds of orthodoxy. They invite some guys who are outside of the bounds of orthodoxy

00:19:22.300 on their show. And I, their defense would say, well, in the beginning of our show, we give the

00:19:26.820 disclaimer. Some of these guys we agree with, some of them we don't. And we're disrupting

00:19:30.740 theological echo chambers. I think that's like their little tagline, which I would translate

00:19:36.260 that. Disrupting theological echo chambers, aka sowing seeds of theological confusion.

00:19:43.440 I don't think that's helpful. I understand people like that, right? That sells, that'll get you lots

00:19:47.220 of views. And some of you listening right now wish I did more of that. Why don't you have more guys

00:19:51.260 that disagree with you on the show? Because I'm not just trying to get a bunch of people to watch

00:19:56.140 my show. I'm trying to have systematic, organized, faithful clarity, consistency, and doctrine again

00:20:07.860 and again and again, hour after hour, day after day, week after week, year after year, episode

00:20:15.860 after episode after episode after episode of a consistent, systematic theology that makes sense

00:20:24.080 of the whole of scripture in line with the witness of church history, confessional, robust,

00:20:31.520 reformed, true. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm not trying to disrupt theological echo chambers.

00:20:38.940 In my assessment, again, I would translate that as disrupting theological echo chambers means

00:20:44.480 showing this position, that position, this position, that, and at some level, I think,

00:20:50.700 just introducing theological conclusion or confusion. That's how confusing it is. You

00:20:56.500 can't even say the word confusion. Um, and, and I've told Michael this and I'm sure Michael will

00:21:01.280 watch this. Um, so we disagree. So they probably wouldn't have me on the show. Um, and depending

00:21:08.660 on the topic, I probably wouldn't have them on mine, but I'd be open and they might be open too.

00:21:13.160 But the point is this, that Andy Stanley episode that Josh and Michael did fantastic. I had to,

00:21:20.200 literally just had to call him. And me and Michael aren't best friends anymore. He's in Oklahoma.

00:21:24.520 I'm in Texas. We're both serving the Lord. We're in different camps. But they're Orthodox. They

00:21:30.380 have some guys, like I said, that I think are not Orthodox and dangerous. But Michael and Josh,

00:21:36.620 remnant radio, they're Orthodox guys. I think they're wrong on the gifts, but they're Orthodox

00:21:42.140 guys. And again, I can't say for Josh, but Michael Roundtree is, in terms of character,

00:21:50.200 Michael Roundtree is, he's an incredible man. He is an incredible man and he loves the Bible.

00:21:57.660 And he would tell you that that's why he's a continuationist because he can't find a sufficient

00:22:03.180 convincing biblical argument to say that the sign gifts have ceased. And we have just have to agree

00:22:09.280 to disagree on that point. So all that being said, would I take, would I challenge some of

00:22:14.880 the purveyors of the Asbury revival being a good thing? I didn't know Remnant Radio said it was a

00:22:19.140 good thing it sounds like that's what you're getting at uh raymond um oh i dude i i'm sorry

00:22:26.580 flaw her flaw her tea flaw her tea i don't know raymond we'll go with raymond raymond it sounds

00:22:34.620 like that's what you know that's what i'm assuming from the way that you're phrasing the question it

00:22:38.320 sounds like remnant radio is you know not that they're saying everything about the asbury revival

00:22:42.660 is great but that at least in a general sense that they're for it whereas in a general sense

00:22:47.120 I'm against it. And if that's the case, yeah, I would talk to them. I'd be down to talk to Josh

00:22:53.120 and Michael. I don't know if it would happen, but I say all that to say, yes, to answer your

00:22:58.100 question, yes, I'd be willing to have a conversation with them. I would be willing to talk to people

00:23:01.920 that I disagree with. The reason why I don't do it a ton on the show, I did it with Mike Winger

00:23:05.560 over the doctrine of theonomy. I'm willing to do it from time to time with guys who I believe are

00:23:13.680 in the bounds of orthodoxy. And I do believe that Michael Roundtree is in the bounds of

00:23:18.540 orthodoxy. So I'd be willing to, like I did with Mike Winger, I'd be willing to do that with Michael

00:23:24.400 Roundtree, have a conversation where it's a, you know, it's not an official debate,

00:23:28.800 it's an informal, you know, organic, charitable debate, pushing back. And I'm willing to do that

00:23:34.620 from time to time. But the reason why that's not going to be the meat and potatoes of Right

00:23:38.480 response ministries is because I'm not trying to disrupt theological echo chambers. I'm trying to

00:23:44.880 get a monopoly on the theological echo chamber that's actually true because it's biblical and

00:23:51.760 then blast that out to as many people as possible and say, yeah, come in this chamber. And yes,

00:23:57.340 everyone on this show, for the most part, there's some differences. I got Presbyterians,

00:24:01.040 but for the most part, we're aligned because we're right. And I want to hear you. I want you

00:24:09.620 to hear what's right. And I know some of you can't even hear that without thinking, oh, that's so

00:24:13.700 arrogant. Look, everybody, there's nothing original or novel about that statement. Everyone

00:24:20.220 believes what they believe is right. That's why they believe it. Everyone thinks they're right.

00:24:27.340 right otherwise if i'd love to meet that person honestly like can you can you introduce me to

00:24:34.480 that person if you're that person email me i'd just love to meet you you'd be the first person

00:24:38.440 in eight billion people on the planet that are currently alive that would fit this description

00:24:42.620 i would love to meet the person who holds a view that they think is wrong

00:24:46.180 they actually they're consciously aware that the view that they're still deliberately choosing to

00:24:52.700 hold and present to others is the wrong view. So they think it's wrong, but they still hold it.

00:24:59.460 Everybody thinks they're right. Everybody does. Everybody thinks they're right. Now I'm aware

00:25:05.500 that I could be wrong, but if I was conscious specifically, particularly about the theological

00:25:11.260 issues that actually were wrong, guess what I would do? I'd change my positions. So yeah,

00:25:16.860 the positions that I currently hold are the positions. Here it is. It's crazy, crazy concept.

00:25:21.380 I know the positions, theological positions that I currently hold are the positions that I think are

00:25:26.320 right. And you think the same thing. We all do. And so, yes, I want to get guys who have similar

00:25:35.340 positions within a narrow vein of what I deem as being biblical, faithful, true, because I think

00:25:44.040 that that's going to be most helpful. Crazy, crazy, absolute craziness. The strategy for this

00:25:52.580 ministry, right? Response Ministries. Joel thinks that his doctrine is biblical and he wants to get

00:25:57.940 other people who have doctrine that is biblical so that they can get out biblical doctrine to

00:26:03.480 people. Wow. Right. I know it's madness, but you just have to humor me. Can I be frank with you

00:26:08.680 for just a second right here at the end? Look, some of you guys, you're financially supporting

00:26:13.480 this ministry. And from the bottom of my heart, I say, thank you. I cannot thank you enough.

00:26:20.080 However, some of you, you just, you can't afford it. In fact, some of you, you shouldn't afford it.

00:26:26.900 Let's be honest. I mean, we're living in Joe Biden's ridiculous economy. Our nation and our

00:26:33.700 totalitarian political elites lost their minds over the last three years due to COVID. We have

00:26:42.080 written checks that we simply cannot cash. It doesn't matter if people change the definition

00:26:47.940 of a recession. We are living in a recession right now regardless. Some of you are struggling

00:26:54.920 to afford a carton of eggs at the grocery store. You cannot support financially this ministry at

00:27:01.920 this time, nor should you, but you could still help us tremendously. I am asking you, please,

00:27:09.080 if you're willing to do so, take one minute of your time. Leave us a five-star review on your

00:27:15.540 favorite podcast platform, iTunes, Spotify, whatever that might be. This is the way the

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00:27:28.740 You leave us a five-star review and our podcast shows up for more people. And the Word of God

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The NXR Podcast - March 04, 2023

QUESTIONS - Is Remnant Radio Wrong To Support The Asbury Revival？

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