The NXR Podcast - September 17, 2022


QUESTIONS - Should Presbyterians & Baptists Work Together？

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Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
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Reformed Baptist Steve Dace Nice Guy Martin Lloyd-Jones Jamie White Gary DeMar Faithful Stones Gabriel Wrench John MacArthur Joseph Boot John Stattmiller Chalk Knox Jack Hibbs Joel Webin Joe Boot Obama
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In this episode, Dr. James White and Dr. Joe Boot discuss the role of Calvinism and Calvinism's relationship with Calvinism, and why it is not only appropriate but necessary to work with others in the Christian community.

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00:00:21.300 Patrick C. While I agree that being ecumenical is a slippery, dangerous slope, 1.00
00:00:27.780 working alongside Catholics, Five Point, Armenians, etc. 1.00
00:00:33.000 Would you say it is biblically acceptable for us in the Calvinist camp
00:00:37.860 to work alongside Reformed Baptists, Presbyterians, Anglicans, etc.
00:00:43.080 in things such as abortion, abolition, missions, trips, etc.
00:00:49.080 Yeah, yeah, it was a pleasure to meet you, Patrick.
00:00:52.620 I enjoyed meeting you guys and getting to spend some time with the church there,
00:00:56.480 with Faithful Stones in Buffalo, New York at a conference that I was invited to speak at last
00:01:00.780 week. So that was a pleasure. But to your question, yeah, I think that, I mean, if that's
00:01:06.640 what you're citing as examples, Reformed Baptists, Presbyterians, absolutely. Anglicans, you know,
00:01:14.180 it would depend. You know, some Anglicans are more faithful and some Anglicans have completely
00:01:21.560 denied the gospel, that they would not even qualify as being orthodox. And so it would
00:01:29.880 depend with Anglicanism. That's kind of what you had with Martin Lloyd-Jones. And Martin Lloyd-Jones,
00:01:37.220 and I believe it was John Stott, that had a lot of arguments with one another over
00:01:43.220 whether they should stay and try to reform Anglicanism or whether they should leave
00:01:51.780 because it was heading in such a bad direction. But so I can't speak for all Anglicans and I'm
00:01:57.840 not familiar enough with Anglicanism to know, you know, what percentage of Anglicanism is
00:02:02.840 Orthodox and how Orthodox it is. But I will just speak, you know, using your example of
00:02:08.140 Presbyterian and Reformed Baptists. I think Presbyterians and Reformed Baptists should be
00:02:12.740 able to partner on everything except for baptizing babies. I think that we should be able to partner
00:02:19.500 on everything, on ending abortion, abolishing abortion. Yeah, there are Presbyterian abolitionists
00:02:26.780 and there are Reformed Baptists abolitionists. I think that we should be able to absolutely partner
00:02:32.320 on those kinds of things. You know, the conference that I'm going to be holding May 5th through the
00:02:36.880 7th, May 5th through the 7th of next year. It's called the Theonomy and Postmillennial Conference,
00:02:43.420 focusing exclusively on the goodness and the rightness of God's law and how to apply it to
00:02:52.280 every realm of life, including the political and economic spheres. And then the hopefulness
00:02:59.480 that faithfulness to God will ultimately, maybe not in our lifetime, but ultimately will be
00:03:06.220 successful. Everyone believes that Christ wins. The post-millennialist believes that Christ wins
00:03:12.040 through his church. The pre-millennialist believes that Christ will win despite
00:03:18.340 a losing church, a dying church. The post-millennialist believes that Christ will
00:03:23.860 win through a victorious church, that Christ is reigning now and he will continue. Of the increase
00:03:29.900 of his government, there will be no end. He is continuing to expand his rule and reign
00:03:35.040 through the church on earth. The church is the tip of the spear, and that's not through coercion.
00:03:40.160 That's not the church, not an ecclesiocracy where the church becomes the head of the state and
00:03:46.300 bears the sword. No, God is changing the world, advancing his kingdom on earth right now through
00:03:51.660 the church, not through coercion, but through persuasion, not a sword, physical sword that
00:03:57.840 belongs to the state. And I do believe in a separation of church and state, but rather
00:04:01.640 a spiritual sword that has been given to the church. And that as the church continues to
00:04:06.800 seek to be faithful to fulfill the great commission, which includes preaching the gospel
00:04:11.600 and conversion and baptism, but it also includes discipleship with teaching people to obey all of
00:04:17.540 Christ's commands. And I think implicit in that teaching people to obey all of Christ's commands
00:04:21.800 in every realm of life, including civil politics, as the church does that, as it does that faithfully
00:04:28.740 and stops being pietist, but actually chooses to be Christians, faithful Christians, the world,
00:04:35.420 I believe, will change. And so with this conference, Theonomy and Postmillennialism,
00:04:40.400 May 5th through the 7th in Georgetown, Texas, I've got Dr. Joe Boot, Dr. Gary DeMar,
00:04:46.820 and Dr. James White, and myself. Some are Baptists, some are Presbyterians. And yet,
00:04:53.660 we are happy and excited to partner with one another in encouraging Christians to know the
00:05:00.340 law of God, to esteem and cherish the law of God, and to apply the law of God with an eager and
00:05:07.460 hopeful expectation that obedience to Christ matters and that it actually makes an effect
00:05:13.800 on the world that we live in. That's theonomy and postmillennialism. I understand that there are
00:05:18.940 more particular elements of theonomy. And again, there's a sliding spectrum of how theonomic you
00:05:24.320 are. But again, in general, this is a generalization, but in general, theonomy and
00:05:28.880 post-millennialism is simply saying God's law and God's law works. God's law and God's law works.
00:05:37.380 And we've got both Baptists in this conference and Presbyterians that agree on that point.
00:05:42.100 And we are excited to partner together. So I think we can partner with Presbyterians and Baptists
00:05:48.060 on a lot of things, but that's in part because reform, I'm speaking of particular Baptist,
00:05:54.360 reform Baptist, reform Baptist and reform Presbyterians are both reformed. But partnering
00:06:01.660 beyond that with people who are not reformed, I would say you can still partner, but you can just,
00:06:08.680 you partner on less. Like for instance, I've had guys on my show, Steve Days from The Blaze.
00:06:15.380 I like Steve.
00:06:16.580 I think he is a genuine, orthodox, born-again Christian, but he's not reformed.
00:06:23.100 He's not a Calvinist.
00:06:24.760 And he's, as far as I can tell, he's not post-millennial.
00:06:28.480 But he has a very keen sense of the political landscape, and he has a spine, and he's bold,
00:06:37.260 and he's not interested in a mere conservative resurgence.
00:06:41.760 He's not interested in just getting the nation back to 2008 Obama, but he actually wants
00:06:49.140 to see revival.
00:06:50.900 You know, he says all the time, revival or bust, you know, I would say reformation or
00:06:54.620 bust, but he says, when it comes to America, we can't just turn the clock back 10 years.
00:06:59.480 We can't just walk slower to hell.
00:07:01.080 It's Christ or chaos.
00:07:02.720 Steve will say that Christ or chaos, revival or bust.
00:07:05.900 I would say reformation or bust.
00:07:08.120 And so me and Steve can partner and we have, and I hope that we continue to, we can partner
00:07:12.920 on plenty of things, uh, but we will be able to partner on less things, uh, than I would
00:07:17.460 be able to partner, for instance, with Toby Sumter and, you know, Gabriel Wrench and,
00:07:22.300 um, and Chalk Knox.
00:07:24.020 And so, you know, because we, we also, there are differences between us, but less differences.
00:07:29.100 So, yeah, I think in this, in this particular moment, when the enemy is at the gates, um,
00:07:34.680 you need every fighting man you have, every fighting man you have. Um, and so I think that
00:07:40.120 if you got some Arminians who are willing to fight, like best example I could think of is 0.99
00:07:44.680 Calvary Chapel. I don't like Calvary Chapel's theology. Calvary Chapel doesn't believe in 1.00
00:07:52.260 church membership. Calvary Chapel is Arminian. Uh, pretty much all Calvary Chapel is, is pre
00:07:58.080 millennial. Yeah, Calvary Chapel, their theology sucks. But when the state came with their tyranny 1.00
00:08:05.840 with COVID, a bunch of reformed guys who have better theology, they weren't willing to actually
00:08:12.220 apply any of it. They turned out to be pietists and they closed their church down, not for a few 0.99
00:08:18.020 weeks, but for months and months and then mandated mass. You can't come to the Lord's table at church. 1.00
00:08:24.620 you can't come to Christ unless you have faith plus a mask. Anytime you start doing faith plus,
00:08:31.680 that's not a good sign. Reform guys did that. And a bunch of Calvary Chapel, Arminian pre-millennial
00:08:37.640 anti-church membership guys like Jack Hibbs in California stood their ground and said,
00:08:45.840 no, this is nonsense. And they stood their ground just as firm, if not more firm than John MacArthur
00:08:50.840 it. So yeah, like in this particular moment, I think, I think a lot of arguments, theological
00:08:58.680 arguments, some of them, it's just like you said, Patrick, like some of them, it's this guy's a
00:09:03.080 heretic, we can't partner. But a lot of theological arguments within the overarching banner of
00:09:09.300 orthodoxy, a lot of theological arguments are the luxury of times of peace. But in times of war,
00:09:19.120 you take every fighting man you can get. America is willing to team up with the French 0.98
00:09:24.880 if Great Britain is trying to destroy us. Doesn't mean we're always going to be fans of the French,
00:09:32.320 but desperate times call for some alliances. Big news. Really big news. Our next right response
00:09:41.520 conference is in the works. We've got a number of things already lined up and organized. This is
00:09:47.020 what we've got so far, the whole conference, three days long on post-millennialism and theonomy.
00:09:53.760 And the speakers, Dr. James White, Dr. Joseph Boot, Gary DeMar, and of course, yours truly,
00:10:01.000 Pastor Joel Webin. We've got a great lineup. We've got great topics. If you want to find out
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