The NXR Podcast - September 08, 2022


QUESTIONS - What Are Your Thoughts On Organ Donation？

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Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
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Jezebel David Jamie White Joseph Boot Gary DeMar Joel Webin Goliath Peter Susie Paul
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In this episode, we discuss the concept of the resurrection of the dead, whether or not we should donate our organs after we die, and how we should deal with our dead loved ones when they die. We also discuss the case of Jezebel, and why we should give them proper funerals.

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00:00:00.000 what are your thoughts on organ donation knowing god sustains life and death has numbered our days
00:00:10.440 and predestined our life should or should we not donate our organs after we die that's that's really
00:00:17.180 a thoughtful question i don't know i haven't given this a lot of thought but i have immediate
00:00:22.880 thoughts i have my hot take if if you will um you're right because i what i think what tiffany
00:00:29.800 is getting at for our listeners is she's recognizing that just practically, in most
00:00:36.320 cases that I'm aware of, the timeline of when the organs are harvested, the person is still alive.
00:00:43.500 So it could be an instance where the person is brain dead, for instance, but their heart is
00:00:50.020 still beating, their lungs are still breathing. And so it gets into the question of when do we
00:00:56.160 actually declare that a person is dead. And certainly we have modern ways of doing that
00:01:01.640 within medicine, but it gets into the question of when does the soul leave the body? And when
00:01:08.780 is a person dead? Not by modern medical criteria, but by God's criteria. When does God recognize
00:01:16.520 someone as being dead? And so it gets into that. And are we counting someone out too soon? Because
00:01:25.060 we have a miracle working God. Somebody could be brain dead and they could come back to life.
00:01:29.080 And so harvesting organs and those kinds of things. So one, I would say you probably need
00:01:34.460 to be careful with that and have some very clear stipulations of if you're going to be an organ
00:01:41.340 donor, when your organs should be donated, that you should be truly dead, not just brain dead, 0.81
00:01:46.940 but like you are dead, dead. So that's one thing that I would say. Two, in addition to that, 0.98
00:01:55.060 and you guys, some of you are probably going to feel like this is almost even
00:01:59.860 superstitious, but I do believe this is a Christian thought. Historically, the Christian
00:02:09.180 church has been against cremation. Are you aware of that? Cremation, meaning that when someone dies
00:02:15.840 that they would be cremated, burned, incinerated, and then their ashes placed in an urn or something
00:02:22.540 like that. Traditionally, historically, the church has been against that practice.
00:02:29.340 We believe as a Christian, it's not just, oh, it's our vanity. And, you know, so we embalm someone 0.84
00:02:34.760 so that they still look like they're alive. And we put on makeup, you know, and we basically have
00:02:39.140 a beauty dresser come in, you know, when someone's dead and make their body look aesthetically and
00:02:43.460 physically pleasing. Yeah, there may be some vanity from our culture in that, in the way that
00:02:48.040 we do, open caskets and funerals. But there are actually also some theological underpinnings
00:02:53.200 of even embalming and trying to preserve the body. We know the body's going to decay.
00:02:57.640 The Bible talks about that. But trying to make the body intact as long as possible,
00:03:02.340 and even as it decays, that it would decay in one place, namely in a casket buried underground.
00:03:08.480 Why do we bury bodies? Because we don't want coyotes and beasts and birds of the air to come
00:03:15.420 and eat the carcass. That was another, that's what David says to Goliath, right? And that was
00:03:20.760 a judgment. That's a judgment of God that David says, who is this uncircumcised Philistine that 1.00
00:03:26.840 taunts the armies of the living God? I tell you, I will feed your carcass to the birds, right? And 1.00
00:03:31.680 that was a judgment. That's not a, I'm going to kill you and then give you a really respectable 1.00
00:03:36.100 funeral. No, feeding your carcass to the birds is a bad thing, just in case somebody missed that. 1.00
00:03:41.200 that's a bad thing. Same thing with Jezebel. When Jezebel is cast down out of her window by the
00:03:47.440 eunuchs and she splits open on the ground and dies, one of the judgments, and this was prophesied of
00:03:56.680 her that this would happen, but one of the judgments is that the wild dogs come and tear
00:04:02.840 apart her body and eat it and devour it. And again, that's a bad thing. That's a judgment. 1.00
00:04:09.500 And it's bad in one sense, because it's not respectable of the person, right?
00:04:17.360 That person who we loved and cherished, not in the case of Jezebel, but for us, when a
00:04:21.860 loved one dies, we want to show our respects.
00:04:24.620 And one of the ways that we show our respects is the way that we deal respectfully with
00:04:28.080 their body, even though they're no longer alive.
00:04:31.240 We want to deal respectfully with their body.
00:04:33.540 But from Christian doctrine, it's also the sense that we actually believe.
00:04:37.940 I know that this is crazy to some people, but this is Christianity. We believe in a bodily
00:04:44.880 resurrection, that we're not just going to be given new bodies, but that we will have new bodies,
00:04:51.200 but our new bodies will be this actual body made new. This body, not another one, but this body
00:04:59.520 made new. Not another new body, but this old body glorified. This old body resurrected. And that is
00:05:10.260 going to be our eternal existence. What I'm saying is this, a million years from now, this is not
00:05:16.880 hyperbole. This is Christian doctrine 101. A million years from now, I will be in fellowship
00:05:22.880 with all you who are saints and born again by grace alone, through faith alone and Christ alone,
00:05:28.040 and in fellowship with you and in communion with the triune God, living a physical existence in
00:05:35.300 this body. Now this body will have undergone some serious renovation, but it will be this body.
00:05:43.680 And you guys will recognize me in heaven. You will. You'll be able to say that body's different
00:05:49.060 than it was then. His skin is a little bit better and clear. He looks a little bit more fit and in
00:05:57.560 better health and this and that. But you'll be able to say, that's Joel. Oh, that's the right
00:06:02.600 response guy. I know him because it'll be this body. Made new, changed, renovated. Yeah. Praise
00:06:10.120 God. But not a completely separate body, this body. Even some of the creeds and confessions
00:06:17.600 and even old Christian hymns talk about the sea, those who were lost at sea, but who were in the
00:06:22.800 lord who are christians that the sea will give up its dead at the last trumpet with the final return
00:06:28.740 of christ and think about that i mean bodies that were lost at sea and that were eaten by sharks and
00:06:33.280 all this kind of stuff and and it's been thousands of years and particles all over the seven oceans
00:06:37.600 you know and um and but but that's actually going to happen jesus is going to return and all these
00:06:42.540 bits and pieces of people's bodies over thousands of years have been spread out in the ocean with
00:06:46.620 people who are sailors who were christian sailors lost at sea and that were eaten by by by fish and
00:06:52.240 sharks and all like, and it happened 20,000 years ago or whatever, like this is going to happen. 0.91
00:06:57.480 I'm not saying the world is 20,000 years old, but if Jesus tarries, just for the record, 0.96
00:07:00.980 but it happened 5,000 years ago, Jesus is going to return and every little particle of their body
00:07:06.320 is going to be somehow zapped up together by Christ and his power and, and then glorified
00:07:13.920 and resurrected and made new. It'll be their body. So Christ is going to do that. And Christ,
00:07:20.860 can do that and will do that. The question is though, just because Christ can take every little
00:07:27.140 particle of a human body scattered abroad in every ocean over thousands of years with a Christian
00:07:32.960 sailor who was lost at sea, can Christ do that? Will Christ do that? Yes. But should we make Christ 0.56
00:07:39.400 do that? That's kind of the question. Should we make him do that by cremation, right? Should we
00:07:45.640 burn our loved ones and, and then scatter their ashes over the ocean, which is a fairly common 0.73
00:07:53.000 practice. Um, my, my, uh, my uncle, uh, did that with, with my grandmother. Um, and I believe my
00:08:01.500 grandmother was a Christian. Um, and I believe that Jesus will make short work of finding every 0.95
00:08:06.680 single one of my grandmother's particles in the ocean whenever he returns and, and, and resurrecting
00:08:12.940 her body and glorifying it. I think Jesus will be able to handle that with ease. But should we
00:08:18.740 have done that? I think there's Gnosticism is what I'm getting at. I think that Gnosticism
00:08:24.180 has pervaded every element of our lives and the way we think as Christians today in this modern
00:08:28.640 era. We are not just spiritual beings, and we're not just going to be floating on the clouds as
00:08:34.100 bodiless souls for all of eternity. We are physical beings. The body matters. The physical
00:08:40.180 world matters. Physical nations matter. And that's why we don't care about politics. We're
00:08:45.640 like, well, that's a physical kingdom. Jesus' kingdom is not of this world. Yeah, it's not
00:08:49.980 of this world, but Jesus' kingdom is in this world. It is in this world. It's not of this
00:08:55.380 world, meaning it's not carnal. Jesus' kingdom doesn't operate by worldly principles. It's not
00:09:02.200 of the world. But Jesus' kingdom is in the world because God loves the world. Same thing, our
00:09:08.900 bodies. It's not another body. It'll be this body made new. Same thing with the earth. The earth is
00:09:13.760 not going to be disintegrated, annihilated and dissolve like snow. That's not what Peter's
00:09:18.880 talking about in his epistle. That this is, this is a symbology and it's talking about the old
00:09:23.920 covenant. And it's not literally saying that God is going to disintegrate the entire planet. We're
00:09:30.420 going to have a whole nother earth. No, it'll be this earth. It'll be the new heavens and the new
00:09:34.460 earth. But what will be new about this earth is that it will be the old earth made new. Same as
00:09:39.980 our bodies. So we should care. We should care about our bodies and we should care about the
00:09:46.280 earth. And we should care about when a Christian dies, how we treat their body, not just for the
00:09:51.120 sake of showing respect, but also for the sake of recognizing this body in real terms. It's not, 0.65
00:09:58.800 we don't just believe a hocus pocus. It's not a fairy tale, right guys? Do we believe this stuff
00:10:03.180 or not. Like I actually believe that Jesus is the resurrection and the life. And that one day he is
00:10:11.380 going to physically return. And he is going to say, instead of Lazarus come forth, this time he's
00:10:17.000 going to say, redeemed church come forth. And every single Christian is going to burst out of the 0.99
00:10:23.740 grave or out of the sea will give up its dead or out of wherever they are. And Jesus is going to 0.98
00:10:29.600 resurrect them and glorify their bodies for an eternal physical existence with him in the new
00:10:36.460 heavens, which will be on this earth made new. That's Christian doctrine. That's what we believe.
00:10:44.520 So all that being said, some people need a kidney. Some people need a liver. Some people need a heart.
00:10:52.220 And Christians, Christians, we are generous people. We are sacrificial people. We are
00:10:58.000 helping people. We are. We are. But we're also not Gnostics. So I guess what I'm saying is I'm
00:11:06.660 not saying no Christian should be an organ donor. But what I am saying, what I am saying is that no 1.00
00:11:12.740 Christian should be a Gnostic. And we should somehow try to strike the balance and hold the 0.93
00:11:16.900 tension between being sacrificial, even at the cost of our own lives and our organs, but also
00:11:22.080 recognizing that the physical body matters. The physical body matters. It's not nothing. I think
00:11:28.260 some Christians in an overly idealistic and even Gnostic sense are willing to be organ donors
00:11:34.820 because the body is of no account to them. I mean, Paul even says physical training is of no value.
00:11:42.320 No. Physical training is of some value. Godliness supersedes it. Godliness is more important,
00:11:47.920 but the physical body and exercise and all these kinds of things has some value because the body
00:11:54.240 has meaning. And the body is actually eternal. It will be. Yes, you will die. And yes, your body
00:12:01.160 will decay. But just because these things are true doesn't mean that your body won't be resurrected
00:12:05.600 and glorified and eternal, having an eternal bodily existence with the Lord and not with
00:12:11.100 another body, but this body. And so we should care. We should care. And so with that,
00:12:16.700 yeah, first, make sure you're really dead. And I don't know how I feel about the brain dead thing. 0.99
00:12:23.920 I really don't. I really don't. That your heart is still beating, but you're brain dead.
00:12:29.740 But you're an organ donor and you've got that bracelet on and they're already slicing up your
00:12:33.620 body and taking out your heart or your liver, your lungs. That's, I don't know. I don't feel
00:12:39.880 comfortable with that. So one, make sure you're actually dead. And two, I think there's a difference 0.99
00:12:46.440 in like, for instance, like my dad has one kidney. If, if, you know, and he's fine. He's had one
00:12:52.700 kidney for years. But if that kidney got injured and he needed a kidney transplant, I think there's
00:13:00.160 a massive difference in me giving my dad a kidney, which it might have to be one of my brothers
00:13:04.920 because I'm adopted and they might for the biological purposes and those kinds of things
00:13:08.840 and the genes, but whatever, giving, giving as a Christian, giving a kidney or giving, you know,
00:13:14.760 i i think there's a difference in that versus laying in the hospital your heart's still beating
00:13:21.560 it's being cut out of your chest and and it's like the doctor said um you know that it's over
00:13:28.960 this guy's dead but did god say it's over did god declare you dead what was it over and and then
00:13:36.000 even with that you know um multiple organs now being harvested and and now it's like there's
00:13:41.580 you've got a part of your body buried underground, and then you've got your liver in this person,
00:13:48.220 Ted, who lives in Kansas, and your heart is over there, and Susie in England. And again,
00:13:55.660 when Jesus returns, he can figure it out. He's the supernatural God, but I don't know.
00:14:03.120 So I'm not saying no, but I'm just saying we should make those decisions
00:14:06.760 as Christian theologians
00:14:12.240 and not as Greek mythical Gnostics.
00:14:17.220 And I think a lot of Christians do the latter.
00:14:19.200 They make those decisions that are hard decisions 0.90
00:14:20.900 that maybe the answer is yes,
00:14:22.180 but they make those decisions too quickly and too easily
00:14:26.040 because they don't have a Christian view of the body
00:14:28.560 and its significance.
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