The NXR Podcast - August 04, 2022


QUESTIONS - What If Your Husband Is Theologically Inferior To You？


Episode Stats


Length

10 minutes

Words per minute

184.8291

Word count

1,916

Sentence count

92

Harmful content

Misogyny

9

sentences flagged

Toxicity

6

sentences flagged

Hate speech

33

sentences flagged


Summary

Summaries generated with gmurro/bart-large-finetuned-filtered-spotify-podcast-summ .

In this episode, Beth and Jenna discuss the role of women in the home and the church. They discuss why women should not be outspoken in the church and why men should be the head of households. They also discuss the need for a male diaconate and why women shouldn't be preaching on the Lord's Day.

Transcript

Transcript generated with Whisper (turbo).
Misogyny classifications generated with MilaNLProc/bert-base-uncased-ear-misogyny .
Toxicity classifications generated with s-nlp/roberta_toxicity_classifier .
Hate speech classifications generated with facebook/roberta-hate-speech-dynabench-r4-target .
00:00:00.000 Hey guys, real quick before we get started, I have a small request.
00:00:03.360 If you've been blessed by our content and you like this show,
00:00:06.420 would you take just a brief moment and leave us a five-star review?
00:00:09.740 This is quite possibly the most effective thing that you can do
00:00:12.860 to ensure that this content gets out to as many people as possible.
00:00:17.520 Thanks.
00:00:21.220 How far should we apply Paul's instructions that women should ask their husbands at home?
00:00:26.440 any theological questions they have
00:00:29.420 and not be outspoken in the church.
00:00:31.580 Great question.
00:00:32.280 Let's read it one more time.
00:00:33.780 This is from With Love Jillian.
00:00:36.120 How far should we apply Paul's instructions
00:00:38.480 that women should ask their husbands at home
00:00:41.080 any theological questions they have
00:00:43.840 and not be outspoken in the church?
00:00:46.140 All right, great question.
00:00:47.100 So this comes from 1 Corinthians 14,
00:00:49.280 comes from a lot of passages.
00:00:51.140 We see the principle at play.
00:00:52.640 So 1 Timothy chapter two, verses nine through 15, right? 1.00
00:00:57.200 I do not permit a woman to have any authority to teach or exercise any authority over a 1.00
00:01:02.960 man. 1.00
00:01:03.600 She must be silent, you know?
00:01:06.500 And so Paul goes into that.
00:01:07.720 She needs to be in submission.
00:01:09.500 And then he makes a, he pulls on the created order to, to bind his argument.
00:01:13.660 So it's not cultural.
00:01:14.620 He doesn't say, because, you know, in our particular culture, you know, we want to be
00:01:18.820 winsome and people want to, they'd see this as radically feminist. And now that's, but Paul
00:01:24.360 doesn't argue like Tim Keller. So he argues biblically. And so he roots it not in some
00:01:29.320 winsome cultural argument that would come and go and be subject to change, but he roots it in a
00:01:34.720 timeless, unchanging principle before sin ever even entered the world, namely the created order,
00:01:39.960 right? Adam was formed first, then Eve. Adam was made from the dust of the ground, but Eve was made
00:01:44.800 from Adam and for Adam as his helpmate. So he uses that argumentation to talk about why men should
00:01:52.160 lead, they should have authority, and men should teach, and a woman should not, right? And he's 0.98
00:01:57.980 making that argument with the church, but I do think that there's a broader principle in society,
00:02:01.920 even outside of the home and the church, right? I'm not merely complementarian. I am patriarchal.
00:02:06.940 I think that that's right. I think that that's biblical. I think it makes no sense to say men
00:02:10.960 should be the head of their households and wives should submit to their husbands as the church
00:02:14.560 submits to Christ. And men should lead the church as elders. And I would argue also for a male
00:02:19.840 diaconate and women should not function as elders and they should not be preaching on the Lord's 0.99
00:02:24.160 day. And so in the church and the home, it is led by biblically qualified men. Women are not leading. 0.99
00:02:31.480 They're not in positions of authority over men. But then when we come into society, whether it 0.99
00:02:36.680 the political realm or the cultural realm or whatever, any other institution, academia,
00:02:42.120 something outside of the home of the church, all of a sudden we flip that order on its
00:02:45.580 head.
00:02:46.460 That just, that makes no sense.
00:02:48.220 If men are leading households, if households, right, because what is a society? 0.79
00:02:52.360 Think about that. 0.73
00:02:53.040 What is a society but a gathering of households?
00:02:57.080 Societies are made up by households.
00:02:59.760 And you might say, well, not everybody's a part of a household.
00:03:01.660 Not everybody's married. 0.73
00:03:02.720 They're single women. 1.00
00:03:03.660 Great. 1.00
00:03:03.960 They're under their father then. 0.62
00:03:05.080 There is no woman who is not underneath the headship of a man, whether it be her father 0.89
00:03:10.640 or whether it be her husband, if she's a Christian woman, whether it be her male elders in the
00:03:15.340 church.
00:03:16.020 So women, God has set up his created order in such a way that men lead, men lead. 0.86
00:03:23.140 And so to advocate that men should lead in the church and they should lead in the home, 0.96
00:03:26.800 but then when we get away from the church in the home, then we can flip God's created
00:03:30.520 order on its head is inconsistent. 0.98
00:03:33.020 And I believe hypocritical. 1.00
00:03:35.080 So, women asking questions of their husbands at home. 1.00
00:03:39.260 1 Timothy 2, verse 9-15 talks about men are the ones who are teaching the church, but 0.94
00:03:44.740 1 Corinthians 14 explicitly says that in church, women should be silent. 0.89
00:03:50.680 In fact, the Apostle Paul says, it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. 1.00
00:03:56.360 Shameful for a woman to speak in church.
00:03:58.460 And he specifically says, if a woman has questions, she should ask her husband at home. 1.00
00:04:02.960 Now, the first thing that I think Paul's addressing is this, he is addressing outbursts in the 0.56
00:04:09.600 Lord's day gathering of the saints.
00:04:12.220 Women should not be objecting or interrupting and no one for that matter, but especially
00:04:19.520 women should not be objecting or interrupting as a pastor is teaching, as the saints are
00:04:25.080 gathered on the Lord's day for the administering of the ordinary means of grace, publicly
00:04:29.880 preaching the word publicly praying the word publicly singing the word with psalms hymns and
00:04:34.700 spiritual songs and publicly seeing the word s-e-e-i-n-g and the only two images that the
00:04:40.620 lord has instituted namely baptism and the lord's supper right these are the ordinary means of grace
00:04:46.360 the church is committed the gathered saints they're committed to gather together to ecclesia
00:04:51.240 to assemble together on the lord's day um the christian sabbath the first day of the week the
00:04:56.700 day that Christ rose from the dead for the administering of the ordinary means of grace
00:05:01.200 and this is a time of order and this is what Paul is talking about in first Corinthians 14 not just
00:05:06.640 in regards to women but in regards to the gifts of the sign gifts which I believe has ceased but
00:05:11.840 but in his day in the church at Corinth the sign gifts of prophecy and tongues Paul's whole argument
00:05:17.500 saying that the prophecy is superior to tongues is because Paul wants order and he wants clarity
00:05:24.400 He wants order and clarity.
00:05:26.620 He wants whoever is speaking to do so intelligibly.
00:05:29.620 And he talks about, even with prophecy, he says, at most, two or three should prophesy.
00:05:33.880 And he's not saying two or three prophesy at the same time. 0.99
00:05:36.820 That is an idiotic reading of the text. 0.93
00:05:40.080 He does not say that because he specifically says, if to one is given a revelation, the 1.00
00:05:44.280 one who is currently speaking should stop speaking so the one who's just received a
00:05:49.640 revelation from the Lord, a prophetic word, can begin speaking, meaning what?
00:05:53.400 that the two should not speak simultaneously one is speaking they stop so that the other can speak
00:05:58.740 so that only one person speaks at a time why so that it is intelligible so that it is clear so
00:06:05.240 that it is done in order and then he says two or three should prophesy and we know he's not talking
00:06:11.040 about simultaneously because he's already addressed that so what he's talking about by
00:06:15.420 by way of implication is that two or three should prophesy at most throughout an entire gathering
00:06:21.300 throughout a service where the church is gathered together. Two or three men, because he later talks
00:06:28.620 about women, how it's shameful for a woman to speak in church. So what we can assume is this,
00:06:32.760 biblically qualified men should speak in church one at a time and only two or three at most so 0.75
00:06:39.140 that everything can be done with clarity and order. God is a God of order. So the first thing
00:06:46.020 that Paul's saying when he says it's shameful for a woman to speak at church, and he encourages
00:06:51.440 and commands women to ask their husbands if they have any questions at home, is he is setting up
00:06:57.040 barriers against interruptions in the Lord's Day gathering. Do not object and do not interrupt.
00:07:04.200 And no one should be doing that because of what Paul says earlier about how one should speak at
00:07:08.140 a time. No one objects, no one interrupts, but especially women. It is especially shameful for 0.99
00:07:14.360 For a woman who has not been given the assignment and the ministry by God to lead or to exercise 0.79
00:07:20.600 authority over men or to teach men, again, that's cross-referencing back to 1 Timothy 1.00
00:07:25.040 chapter 2, it is especially shameful, therefore, for a woman to interrupt and to speak in church. 0.99
00:07:32.260 All right, now, asking their husbands at home, the way that I'm answering the question is 1.00
00:07:36.100 this.
00:07:36.260 I think that it's appropriate for a woman to ask a question of her pastor, to ask a question
00:07:42.380 of her male pastor, who is not her husband, outside of the Lord's Day gathering.
00:07:48.320 Not interrupting, not objecting, not in the middle of a service, not causing a scene,
00:07:53.520 not an outburst, but to reach out with her husband's permission, not against her husband,
00:08:00.220 not being divisive, not undercutting his authority, but for her to reach out with her husband
00:08:05.460 to their pastor and to ask him a question.
00:08:08.380 Now, here's the deal, though.
00:08:09.660 This should never be used to turn against her husband. 1.00
00:08:12.060 So the only reason that a woman should really be doing this is when she has already asked 0.99
00:08:17.160 her husband and he doesn't know the answer. 0.68
00:08:19.620 And here's the beauty.
00:08:20.720 At that point, it becomes his question.
00:08:23.680 It's not exclusively her question anymore.
00:08:26.440 It's now his question.
00:08:28.000 And if the man is a godly husband, Doug Wilson says it like this.
00:08:31.440 He says, not every man will be a professional theologian, but every man has the obligation
00:08:36.560 of being a residential theologian, a resident theologian, not a professional, not all men
00:08:43.280 will be professional theologians, meaning some men will have be more theologically inclined than
00:08:47.760 others. Not all men will be professional theologians, but every man should be a resident
00:08:52.500 theologian, meaning he is the pastor of his home. He is the theologian of his family, which means
00:09:00.500 his wife and his children, when they have theological questions, they should go to him
00:09:04.120 and they should know this.
00:09:05.840 My husband, my dad, he will either have the answer
00:09:09.980 or he will be committed diligently to finding the answer.
00:09:15.500 He'll either have the answer or he'll find the answer. 0.99
00:09:19.220 So I think that women should certainly not have an outburst 0.79
00:09:23.220 and interrupt in the Lord's Day gathering.
00:09:25.520 But even beyond that, I think that women 1.00
00:09:27.800 should ask their husbands at home 0.64
00:09:30.080 before emailing their pastors.
00:09:31.840 and their husband will either be able to answer the question
00:09:36.100 or if he can't, it now becomes his question.
00:09:39.800 It's not just her question anymore.
00:09:41.760 It is now also his question
00:09:43.820 and he can lead the way in approaching one of the pastors
00:09:48.080 in getting the answer to this question
00:09:50.060 or he can do some research at home.
00:09:52.520 He may not even need to approach the pastors.
00:09:54.680 He may be able just through personal study
00:09:57.080 find the answer to this question
00:09:59.660 to be able to answer it for his wife.
00:10:02.060 That's how I would answer your question.
00:10:03.740 Jillian, thanks for writing in.
00:10:05.480 Thanks so much for listening.
00:10:06.720 But real quick, before you go, do us a small favor,
00:10:09.920 take a moment and leave us a five-star review
00:10:12.320 if you enjoyed the show.
00:10:13.920 This is undoubtedly the best way
00:10:16.260 that you can help us get this biblically faithful content
00:10:19.160 to as many people as possible.
00:10:21.320 Thanks so much.