The NXR Podcast - THE CONFERENCE - Session 1 - Trashworld & The Boniface Option - Andrew Isker

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00:00:27.080 Well, thank you so much for having me here.

00:00:29.280 Thank you, Joel.

00:00:30.000 A few weeks ago, I called Joel and asked him, I'm like, hey, you have not given me a topic

00:00:39.620 to speak about at the conference yet, and I'm like, what do you want me to talk about?

00:00:45.200 And he just says to me, you do know what the name of the conference is this year, right?

00:00:50.620 Just talk about Trash World, right?

00:00:52.300 Explain what that is.

00:00:53.120 So that's what we're going to do for the next hour or so.

00:00:55.480 So I told Joel that it might be longer than that since this is the first time I've been involved with something with him and actually allowed to talk.

00:01:04.880 So this is great.

00:01:09.620 He's going to be mad at me about that one.

00:01:12.540 So what is Trash World?

00:01:15.640 I remember when I was writing my book, and my editor stressed to me the point about, you know,

00:01:25.080 how important it is to be able to have, you know, an elevator speech about what it's about.

00:01:30.380 And I was like, well, I just don't do that. I can't. I don't do elevator speeches, right?

00:01:36.240 How do you even begin to explain this topic?

00:01:39.980 How do you briefly summarize to someone that their entire existence, the world that they

00:01:45.520 live in, is not real?

00:01:49.200 That everything they know, everything that they love, everything that they grew up around,

00:01:53.840 their entire way of life and the way of life of everyone around them has been manufactured

00:01:59.280 for them and isn't actually how human beings anywhere in history have ever lived. 0.62

00:02:05.360 If you did that, you would sound like an insane person. 0.88

00:02:08.120 They'd think you're crazy.

00:02:08.700 Like, what do you mean it's a manufactured reality?

00:02:10.420 What do you mean it's not real? 0.66

00:02:11.200 Like, they think you're some kind of schizophrenic. 0.68

00:02:14.280 But, of course, this is what Trash World is, right?

00:02:18.380 It is a manufactured, artificial reality that has upended and inverted the created order.

00:02:26.680 Up is down, left is right, war is peace, speech is violence, violence is speech, and so on

00:02:34.060 and so forth.

00:02:35.080 And so I can give, you know, a few examples of what I mean by this. 1.00

00:02:38.180 The most obvious one of, you know, the most obvious example of, like, you were living in Trash World is trannies. 1.00

00:02:45.120 It is trannies. 1.00

00:02:46.760 It isn't just merely the existence of mentally ill people. 1.00

00:02:50.040 We've had mentally ill people in the past, in history.

00:02:52.980 It isn't just merely, you know, mostly men who believe that they are women.

00:02:58.560 We've long had mentally ill men who thought they were women.

00:03:02.660 The difference with Trash World, of course, is all of us, our whole society.

00:03:08.180 We used to commit such people to sanitariums for their own good and for the health of society.

00:03:16.120 And instead, today, we make them the Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services or NCAA Women's Swimming Champions.

00:03:24.260 We put them at the very center of society.

00:03:27.500 We force everyone at our corporations to call them by their preferred pronouns

00:03:32.780 and have everyone put their own pronouns in their LinkedIn and their email signature. 0.56

00:03:39.700 We not only accommodate the delusions of insane men and women, but we also take children. 0.85

00:03:45.400 We take children before puberty and we surgically and chemically remove their genitals. 0.79

00:03:52.480 And very serious, very serious physicians and surgeons with prestigious degrees from impressive medical schools and highly respected hospitals. 0.65

00:04:06.160 They go to work every day to physically and chemically cut off the sexual organs of children.

00:04:12.500 That is a thing that's still happening. 0.92

00:04:14.020 Still happening.

00:04:15.860 And all of it, all right in public.

00:04:18.600 All of it treated like it's just very normal.

00:04:22.480 And if you object to it, you are you, right? 0.87

00:04:26.780 You, if you're the one objected to it, you are the religious freak, right? 0.97

00:04:30.240 You're the bigot, right? 1.00

00:04:31.480 You're the crazy person. 1.00

00:04:34.440 And so, of course, the transgender issue is just like the latest 1.00

00:04:38.300 and most absurd excess of trash world, right? 1.00

00:04:42.640 It's the final, hopefully final, act of blurring the lines between men and women, right? 0.99

00:04:49.280 If they're, and so think about that, right? 0.99

00:04:52.400 Think about it. 0.64

00:04:52.860 If there are no moral, spiritual, economic, political, or social differences between men and women, 0.77

00:05:01.660 the very last one is the physical differences.

00:05:06.540 That's the last one to blur.

00:05:09.300 And, of course, thanks to the blessings of the science,

00:05:12.200 we now are so much better at pretending men can be women and women can be men. 0.98

00:05:17.060 But that is hopefully just the high watermark of trash world. 0.87

00:05:25.040 It has been growing and building for decades. 0.94

00:05:28.980 For the entirety of the 20th century, we have blurred the lines of distinction between men and women.

00:05:35.620 Women and men, as it turns out, this might be news to you, I'm telling you now for the first time,

00:05:42.120 women and men are actually very different. 0.99

00:05:44.280 Very different. 1.00

00:05:45.020 God made them male and female. 0.99

00:05:47.620 Male and female, he created them.

00:05:50.020 Most people, they never really have to think about this.

00:05:53.160 You never really have to think about, oh, yeah, I guess men and women are different.

00:05:56.240 You just know, since you're a little kid.

00:05:58.560 You know that men and women are different.

00:06:00.460 You know it implicitly. 1.00

00:06:02.400 Women have this incredible ability, 1.00

00:06:07.240 this incredible ability to create and to carry new people inside of them. 1.00

00:06:13.660 Only women can do that. 1.00

00:06:16.100 God, he didn't have to do it this way. 1.00

00:06:19.380 He didn't have to do it this way at all.

00:06:21.800 He could have made human reproduction any way that he wanted to.

00:06:26.260 He could have made human beings just spring up out of the ground.

00:06:30.880 We could have just divided single-celled organisms, and there we are, a new person.

00:06:36.980 He could have done anything he wanted, but he chose to make human beings male and female,

00:06:43.640 right to have them bond for life uh to uh yeah to have them to have them bond for life

00:06:52.000 oh man this is the first time in my entire life that i've lost my place in a manuscript right

00:06:58.120 because all all of you people are here uh right to have them bond for life to have men be bigger

00:07:04.320 and stronger and faster than women right to have their bodies filled with testosterone that makes

00:07:10.520 them more aggressive, more decisive, more confident, and more assertive, and he chose

00:07:17.160 to make women smaller and weaker and gentler than men, right? 0.75

00:07:22.460 He chose to make them instinctively seek consensus, right, to enforce social conformity, to avoid 0.78

00:07:29.720 direct conflict and operate more subtly, right? 0.96

00:07:33.280 These are characteristics of men and women.

00:07:36.080 And, of course, even saying these things out loud today is considered incredibly offensive.

00:07:41.860 What do you mean men are stronger than women?

00:07:44.520 People literally get mad at you if you say that.

00:07:49.200 There really are people, actual people, that sincerely believe women can be just as strong as men.

00:07:56.080 Or that women can be just as aggressive and tough as men.

00:08:01.120 And, of course, I could point to myriad research papers reaching all the conclusions that I just stated as evidence. 0.75

00:08:09.980 I could say, okay, you could read this paper by this person over here or whatever.

00:08:13.800 But it's just so absurd to even go that route, to even say, well, the science shows you.

00:08:20.520 No, we don't even need to do that.

00:08:22.100 as if we need to justify what any child can intuitively know,

00:08:28.380 what anyone can just see with their own two eyes.

00:08:32.560 But Trash World, Trash World catechizes people into believing

00:08:37.100 there are no distinctions between women and men

00:08:40.580 besides genitals and social constructions. 0.98

00:08:45.280 Why do women wear dresses? 1.00

00:08:46.860 Well, that's just society imposing that on them. 1.00

00:08:49.820 No, they wear them because they want to look pretty.

00:08:52.100 Right? That's why. People in trash world, they really believe that a petite 90-pound girl can one day become a Navy SEAL.

00:09:00.280 Right? They really do believe that. Right? They watch the Marvel movies. Right? They know that girls, 90-pound girls, they could toss around 200-pound men. 1.00

00:09:11.480 Like, they've seen Black Widow. They've seen what she could do. Right? And then, like, they see that and think this is real. 1.00

00:09:16.780 that this could happen. And of course, it's absurd. Of course, they're not the same.

00:09:22.880 Of course, they're not the same. And of course, the chief difference between men and women is 1.00

00:09:27.960 that only women, and only from around the age of, you know, around 20 to their mid-30s, 0.97

00:09:34.560 or sometimes later, can produce new human beings. But what does Trash World tell young women?

00:09:42.960 What does Trash World tell young women?

00:09:45.020 It tells them if you get married in your early 20s, what are you doing? 0.98

00:09:48.780 You are ruining your life.

00:09:52.100 You're ruining your life. 1.00

00:09:53.080 Don't you want to be a girl boss? 1.00

00:09:55.420 Don't you want to be answering emails and making PowerPoints for a decade or two? 1.00

00:10:00.280 Enjoying some disposable income so you can have brunch?

00:10:03.980 So you can have Instagram vacations with your friends instead?

00:10:06.940 That's what they tell them.

00:10:08.240 That's what they tell them.

00:10:08.900 That's what is beaten into their heads.

00:10:11.540 Their whole youth, their whole childhood.

00:10:14.300 You don't want to be married and have babies.

00:10:16.860 That is the worst thing that could happen.

00:10:19.860 To be shackled to a baby.

00:10:22.240 Oh my goodness, they're loud.

00:10:25.300 They're noisy.

00:10:26.940 They smell diapers. 0.84

00:10:29.440 Oh, yuck. 0.99

00:10:30.600 They make messes everywhere.

00:10:33.960 And they keep you from doing anything that's fun. 0.99

00:10:36.460 right and so the most natural urge right the one that is deep deep inside a woman's heart

00:10:47.740 and her soul right that that powerful hormones are going through her body when she's a young

00:10:53.060 woman that she experiences at this age right the urge to have a child and to hold to hold him or

00:11:00.000 her nurture a little baby right this this natural urge to love them and care for them

00:11:07.760 right i mean have you ever seen like a group of 20 something year old women like even even like 1.00

00:11:13.900 like pink and purple haired feminists right now like right and they'll be somebody walks in with 1.00

00:11:22.100 like a newborn baby and they they gotta really be rough if if they're gonna do anything other 1.00

00:11:26.880 them be like oh my goodness oh what a wonderful little baby oh that's so cute right that's just

00:11:33.160 that's in them that's in them to do that to see a baby oh that's so wonderful oh right but that urge

00:11:40.100 right what does trash world do trash world suppresses and destroys it in them to have that

00:11:45.760 for themselves right that's what trash will does and of course the urge to engage in the in the

00:11:56.880 process of procreation right trash will does not suppress that right to engage in in that right it

00:12:02.720 exalts it yeah yeah you could go ahead and do that right you should actually be free to do as much of

00:12:07.920 that as you want right because after all right men can do that as much as they want and they are

00:12:14.800 seemingly free from consequence as a result so why can't we why can't we do that right trash world

00:12:20.940 believes it can usurp the created order that it has triumphed over god that it has built a tower

00:12:29.260 that reaches the heavens and it has done so without cost right that it has transcended the

00:12:36.160 created order and that it has done so without a single cost whatsoever but there's always a cost

00:12:44.740 There's always a cost.

00:12:46.340 The cost of eradicating all distinctions between men and women is tens of millions of dead babies.

00:12:55.380 An ocean of infant blood. 0.77

00:12:56.920 That is the cost of saying, no, men and women, they're exactly the same. 0.93

00:13:00.140 Anything a man can do, a woman can do.

00:13:02.120 There's no distinctions whatsoever.

00:13:04.880 What's the result of that?

00:13:05.960 Tens of millions of dead babies.

00:13:08.540 And so incidentally, willful ignorance of this dynamic is precisely why pro-life Inc. is so utterly hapless.

00:13:20.640 Industrial scale infanticide is a lagging indicator of a society that is totally cooked.

00:13:29.980 It is not the leading indicator, it's the lagging indicator. 1.00

00:13:34.380 Women, and you've all seen this on the news, 1.00

00:13:37.380 women react with just endless rage. 1.00

00:13:41.620 Rage! 1.00

00:13:42.640 At the mere suggestion,

00:13:44.360 the mere suggestion that someone

00:13:46.060 maybe possibly just might stop them

00:13:49.440 from murdering their own offspring.

00:13:54.100 Maybe it would stop them.

00:13:55.900 No!

00:13:57.380 You can't do that. 1.00

00:13:58.120 It's usually like women well past childbearing age 1.00

00:14:00.620 that are like the angriest about it. 1.00

00:14:02.320 right why why because to them the ability to kill their own offspring is freedom it's freedom 0.98

00:14:13.960 right freedom from the duties and the responsibilities of motherhood of the thing

00:14:21.320 that god has uniquely created them to be able to do right i want to be free of that i don't want

00:14:28.660 that, right? It's freedom from those responsibilities, right? You were designed by God

00:14:35.460 to be capable of creating and nurturing and sustaining life. Every time, right, every time

00:14:44.840 we have a baby, we've had a few, every time we have a baby, my wife, my wife, you know, she starts

00:14:52.200 nursing again. She loves it, right? And every, each time, right, each time she'll, she'll just

00:14:58.480 look up at me and she'll say, you know, Andrew, and it's like, just like childlike wonder, right?

00:15:03.560 Wow, Andrew, God made me able to feed a baby from my own body. This is incredible. Like,

00:15:14.000 just think about that. Like, I don't have to do, he just, there it is. Like, there's milk for the

00:15:19.320 baby. This is unbelievable. Wow. Of course, it is incredible. It is incredible. It's almost like

00:15:27.120 it's by design. But the pro-abortion rage is ultimately a rejection of that. That they indeed

00:15:41.340 are different and distinct from men. My wife can do things that I cannot do. I can't carry 0.97

00:15:49.240 a baby. I can't nurse a baby. I can change a diaper. I just don't like it as much as

00:15:55.620 she does. I've changed a few. Not that many. They want all of the privileges, the pro-abortion

00:16:06.280 women, the feminists, they want all the privileges and benefits of being a man. There are privileges 1.00

00:16:14.500 and benefits to being a man. There are privileges and benefits to being a woman. But they want 0.94

00:16:17.840 all the privileges and benefits of being a man, but naturally without any of the accompanying

00:16:22.840 responsibilities.

00:16:24.840 Right?

00:16:25.840 And it isn't just, right, their own individual calculus.

00:16:28.840 Right?

00:16:29.840 That isn't part of it.

00:16:30.840 All of these things are both individual and collective.

00:16:33.840 Right?

00:16:34.840 It isn't just their own individual calculus.

00:16:37.840 Our entire economy is structured around making sure that they are in the workforce.

00:16:43.840 Right? 1.00

00:16:44.840 got to kill babies to do it, right? To keep the big line going up. There's a lot of that talk 1.00

00:16:48.860 right now. The big line's got to keep going up, right? We need to keep

00:16:52.920 the big line going up, and how do we do that? We keep women in the workforce. We don't want them having 1.00

00:16:56.800 babies. What? No. And if you, like, want 1.00

00:17:00.780 evidence of this, like, because, like, well, Andrew Esker is saying there's a secret

00:17:04.760 cabal that's saying that women need to be in the workforce. Somebody's pulling the strings, right?

00:17:09.300 Well, no. It's decentralized, but they just all agree.

00:17:13.460 We want women in the workforce. 1.00

00:17:14.680 And all you need to know is just do a quick search. 1.00

00:17:17.580 Just type in, we need more women in blank. 1.00

00:17:22.160 It's actually kind of fun to do. 1.00

00:17:23.240 We need more women in STEM. 1.00

00:17:25.320 We need more women in the military. 1.00

00:17:26.680 We need more women in the police force. 1.00

00:17:29.000 The only thing they don't say is more women in septic tank and sanitation work. 1.00

00:17:34.600 We don't need more women collecting trash. 1.00

00:17:37.220 They don't do those ones, strangely. 1.00

00:17:39.120 But like anything else, anything prestigious, anything high status, anything high income, we need more women in that. 1.00

00:17:45.440 Well, why? 1.00

00:17:46.720 Why do they do that?

00:17:48.280 Why do they say that?

00:17:48.980 Well, think about it.

00:17:50.220 If you are the big head of a big ginormous corporation and you want to make more money, you're sitting on the board, you're smoking your cigar.

00:17:59.360 They don't smoke cigars anymore.

00:18:00.760 This is 2025.

00:18:02.520 They don't do that.

00:18:03.920 You're sipping your soy latte.

00:18:05.520 day. How can we make more money? How can we bring up profits? It's our fiduciary responsibility

00:18:18.580 to make more profits. I have an idea. We could drive down wages. How are we going to do that?

00:18:27.320 What if we just double the size of the workforce? We got all of these people that don't do

00:18:32.900 do anything economically productive, according to us, and we just put them in jobs, the wages

00:18:41.900 would go down, productivity would go up, and we make a lot of money.

00:18:46.900 That's why.

00:18:47.900 That's why they think this. 0.96

00:18:49.900 Motherhood does not show up in a GDP report.

00:18:55.380 All the freak out today and yesterday over the tariffs.

00:18:59.260 All the freak out over that, nobody is freaking out about birth rates going down.

00:19:07.160 That's a line going down that actually matters.

00:19:09.680 Not the fake money economy or any of those things. 0.99

00:19:12.360 All the junk made in China, that doesn't matter. 0.99

00:19:15.540 Many of you probably have 401Ks and you're nervous about that. 0.98

00:19:19.080 But ultimately, what really matters, our people are having fewer babies than they were last

00:19:26.340 year, and the year before, and the decade before, and the decade before that. That's a line that

00:19:30.800 matters. But it doesn't show up in the GDP report. It doesn't show up in quarterly profit and loss

00:19:37.120 statements. It doesn't. A woman spending her entire day changing diapers, playing with children,

00:19:47.980 reading to them, caring for them, loving them, homeschooling them, doing all that very hard 0.52

00:19:54.080 Many of the ladies here, that's my day.

00:19:57.260 That's what I do all day long, right? 1.00

00:19:58.700 And it's hard work.

00:19:59.920 It's very difficult work, right?

00:20:03.200 That doesn't show up in a spreadsheet, right?

00:20:06.280 There are no numbers to indicate those things.

00:20:09.360 That doesn't show up in any economic report whatsoever.

00:20:12.980 But is it economic activity?

00:20:15.600 Yes, right?

00:20:16.280 Is there economic value there?

00:20:18.560 Absolutely there is, right?

00:20:19.820 You're creating a new person that one day is going to be an adult

00:20:23.680 one day is going to work and produce things,

00:20:26.620 you are replicating yourself

00:20:28.660 and spending massive amounts of time

00:20:32.000 and effort and energy to do so.

00:20:36.060 It's a huge economic issue.

00:20:39.800 But what does Trash World do? 0.89

00:20:42.120 It takes people,

00:20:43.320 this is something I talked about,

00:20:44.220 I think he knew what I was talking about

00:20:45.520 when he was asking for the audience,

00:20:47.300 like time preference,

00:20:48.760 low time preference, high time preference.

00:20:51.020 What it does is it makes people

00:20:53.640 that otherwise would be low time preference, people that save for tomorrow, they delay

00:21:00.060 gratification, they do things for the long term, it makes them very short term people.

00:21:06.520 We only care about the next quarter. We don't care about 10 years from now. We don't care about 20

00:21:10.580 years from now. But having a child is a 20 year long, at least, proposition. Okay, I'm going to

00:21:19.500 Take care of this person, feed them, clothe them, house them, you know, take them to baseball practice, all of those things for the next 20 years, right?

00:21:30.420 That is a very low time preference activity, right?

00:21:34.820 So a society that's hell-bent on consuming as much stuff as possible, you don't want that, right?

00:21:41.580 You don't want that.

00:21:42.380 You don't want long-term activity.

00:21:43.800 You want short-term, very short-term, right?

00:21:47.820 You don't want that at all. 1.00

00:21:49.380 You want to kill that. 1.00

00:21:51.360 And they do. 1.00

00:21:52.860 And they do.

00:21:54.040 And that's why I've long said, you can see this after the Dobbs decision.

00:22:00.660 After the Dobbs decision, there's a huge freak out from Wall Street types and big corporations and things like that.

00:22:06.860 This is bad.

00:22:07.560 We condemn this. 1.00

00:22:09.040 We believe in a woman's right to choose. 1.00

00:22:11.980 Why did they do that? 1.00

00:22:13.920 Why did they do that?

00:22:14.540 For a long time I've said, you know, if the president had the unilateral power to just outlaw all abortion, right, imagine that.

00:22:24.560 Imagine that would be like, right, the president is just like, I'm in charge here, there's no Supreme Court, there's no Congress, it's just me, and we're not going to kill babies anymore.

00:22:33.460 We're not going to do that.

00:22:34.640 That's done.

00:22:35.380 We're not going to, we are not going to murder them in the womb with, you know, surgeons.

00:22:42.060 We are not going to do pharmaceutical abortions.

00:22:44.120 No more abortion pills. 0.72

00:22:45.800 Anybody who does that, they're dead. 1.00

00:22:47.620 We kill them. 1.00

00:22:48.980 Not me, the president, the state. 1.00

00:22:51.720 Just want to make that clear.

00:22:52.760 It's right wing watch.

00:22:53.420 They're watching.

00:22:55.520 We're going to ban all abortifacient contraception.

00:22:58.560 All of it.

00:22:59.180 Completely done.

00:23:00.880 What would happen tomorrow if the president becomes the total emperor and has all power and does that?

00:23:07.800 What would happen economically tomorrow?

00:23:09.600 right there would be immediately a massive economic depression right if you think like

00:23:17.820 the last two days has been no bloodbath on wall street right a couple of little tariffs we're

00:23:22.980 just tweaking the tariffs a little bit right it would be exponentially worse right the dow

00:23:27.980 the dow jones is now at 2 000 right not a 2 000 point loss it's just at 2 000 right that's what

00:23:35.720 would happen right that's what it would be incalculable the loss because america does not

00:23:42.760 run on duncan right it runs in the blood of dead babies right that's what keeps our economic engines

00:23:48.960 going and so the the twin gods of eros and mammon like they work together right they work together

00:23:56.440 and they always have they always have you when you read the bible you read the old testament

00:24:02.220 and you think about this like the people like it was always strange to me when i was younger

00:24:06.860 very strange where you'd be reading the bible and you'd be like why are they why are they god told 0.97

00:24:13.760 them not to worship these gods right why don't why are they doing that that's so stupid why would 0.98

00:24:19.860 you do that right i'm just a little kid i don't understand like he said don't do it and they're 0.99

00:24:24.800 doing it why that's dumb those gods are fake they're not real but then you look at like america 0.93

00:24:31.060 today and and it makes sense right you you sacrifice your child to molek and what do you 0.98

00:24:38.000 get out of it oh all my crops are growing all my sheep are multiplying my wife now has given me 10

00:24:45.500 more kids like everything is great and meanwhile you're over here you're a faithful israelite and

00:24:50.600 you're worshiping god faithfully and things are really hard right you see that and you'd be

00:24:55.300 tempted to do the same thing as well right that's what that's what trash world does in our day 0.95

00:25:02.820 right that's right you sacrifice babies to molek and it makes your stonks go way up right oh the 0.82

00:25:09.460 it's way in the green right that's that's our idolatry today and of course again idol idolatry

00:25:17.400 way overused word way and so forgive me forgive me for but it really is it really is like this

00:25:24.800 is the one time you get to use it is right you are murdering babies to get rich right that's

00:25:31.300 idolatry right if there ever was any though not the idol idol of the family it could be a break

00:25:36.940 idol of the family right they hate the family they want to destroy the family what are you

00:25:42.160 talking about right no right that's the idol that's the idol in our world right another aspect 0.99

00:25:50.620 of trash world. There's a whole lot of them. Another one is that it makes people radically 0.95

00:25:57.660 individualized, right? Radically individualized, atomized, right? It is designed to rip you from

00:26:05.540 your family, right? To make parents reject duties to their children, right? I mean, you see this,

00:26:13.880 like, you know, sorry, buddy, you got to make it on your own. Like, once you turn 18, you get

00:26:18.300 kicked out of the house, time to sell RVs, right, no, don't expect any help from me, right, and it

00:26:24.340 also causes children to dishonor their parents, right, it's reciprocal, right, oh, parents are not

00:26:29.660 helping out, now, well, I hate you, dad, I hate everything you love, I'm going to do the opposite

00:26:34.760 of what you did, I'm going to hate everything you love and love everything you hate, just to show you, 0.62

00:26:39.840 right, it's designed to do that, it's designed to do that, it's designed to make you reject your own

00:26:46.760 heritage, to reject your own inheritance. It's designed to make

00:26:51.020 every one of you an Esau. That's what it's designed to be. 0.79

00:26:55.440 It's designed to make you think. Every one of my ancestors

00:26:58.920 before 1965 or so, 0.98

00:27:02.880 every single one of them was racist, a bigot, a misogynist, 0.99

00:27:07.780 anti-gay, a homophobe, and of course 1.00

00:27:11.000 a Nazi. Every single one of them. All the way back 1.00

00:27:14.940 into history that's what they were right it makes it makes you through economic cultural

00:27:23.420 and social disincentive also to reject the deep-seated desire to create new generations

00:27:29.860 to pass anything down to both men and women men and women both i don't need to have kids

00:27:35.260 i don't want that i'm gonna i'm gonna be child free and so it's interesting right it uh among

00:27:43.280 the things, there's so many fascinating things in the Bible, but among the things that is

00:27:48.520 so fascinating to me in the Pentateuch is the law in Deuteronomy, right, that forbids 0.94

00:27:55.720 both eunuchs and bastards from entering the assembly of Israel.

00:28:01.660 And, you know, roughly speaking in current terms, basically what that law means, if we 0.94

00:28:05.280 were to apply it today, I'm not saying that we should, but if we did, right, if you were

00:28:09.660 a man who is illegitimately born or if you're unable to produce a child right you didn't get

00:28:15.040 to vote right you're not part of the body politic and and it's fascinating to me because when you

00:28:20.140 you think i mean the point of the law the point of of torah is to teach israel right it's to teach

00:28:26.340 israel it's to teach and have them mature and progress into into godly wisdom right why would

00:28:32.580 god give them that law right why would he command them that what's he trying to teach them right

00:28:37.260 Well, if you have no connection to your father and to your fathers, or you have no connection to the future, to children, to future generations, then you should not be making decisions for the present.

00:28:53.120 And not just for yourself, but for everybody else.

00:28:56.420 You shouldn't be making decisions for the present that affect everyone else.

00:29:00.740 So I made this point about Kamala Harris right before the election.

00:29:06.680 And naturally it gets clipped by Right Wing Watch.

00:29:09.440 And I got a lot of hate mail for that.

00:29:12.460 And Joel's like, oh yeah, you get some hate mail?

00:29:16.860 But think about it. 1.00

00:29:18.320 Kamala Harris, she literally is an anchor baby with no connection to America whatsoever. 0.92

00:29:22.980 She's here for like five minutes and boom, now you're a United States Senator and Vice President.

00:29:26.700 And, of course, Nat, she is a childless woman, right? 0.62

00:29:31.740 She's the stepmother to somebody else's kids, but she has not produced any children herself.

00:29:37.720 And, oh, man, all the hate mail, you go, how dare you say that?

00:29:41.420 How dare you attack her for that? 1.00

00:29:43.120 You religious freak. 1.00

00:29:45.640 But actually, that matters. 1.00

00:29:47.720 That matters, right?

00:29:49.120 She has no connection to the past, no connection to the future, and she is making so many decisions.

00:29:54.440 Well, she wouldn't make any decisions, right?

00:29:55.900 But nominally, she's making all the decisions for today, right?

00:30:00.600 That matters, right?

00:30:02.040 She was the perfect, even better than Biden, the perfect president for Trash World, right?

00:30:07.060 She perfectly embodies what it's all about.

00:30:12.400 But that is what Trash World seeks to do for everyone, everyone, right?

00:30:17.700 If somehow you are not murdered in the womb, right, any connection to your own history

00:30:24.160 and your own heritage has to be eradicated, right?

00:30:28.060 Any hope that you have for the future,

00:30:30.060 both individually and collectively as a people, right?

00:30:34.280 That too must be eradicated, must be destroyed, right?

00:30:38.000 Your purpose is to exist, to drone away 0.63

00:30:42.200 and consume your little treats that they give you, right? 0.80

00:30:46.400 Your little treats.

00:30:47.280 Oh, there's a new series on Hulu now for you.

00:30:49.900 You can have that.

00:30:50.520 Here's a little treat, right?

00:30:51.720 Oh, Chipotle has a different ingredient now, a different thing you could add to your burrito.

00:30:57.400 Isn't that so great?

00:30:58.860 That's what you exist for, to buy product and get excited about next product.

00:31:07.400 You belong to nothing bigger than yourself.

00:31:11.700 Nothing bigger than yourself whatsoever.

00:31:14.320 And yet you're totally alone.

00:31:17.160 You do not matter.

00:31:18.320 Your life is insignificant. 1.00

00:31:22.560 Eat Uber Eats, drink Coca-Cola, be entertained, for tomorrow you die. 1.00

00:31:29.860 That is the motto of Trash World.

00:31:34.860 And so that, ladies and gentlemen, more or less, as briefly as I can put it, this is why Joel and I get along so well, because I'm exactly like him.

00:31:47.980 That's it. 0.72

00:31:49.320 Male and female does not exist. 0.98

00:31:51.620 Marriage and households, they do not exist anymore. 0.98

00:31:53.780 We destroyed marriage. It's gone. Sorry. That's it.

00:31:56.880 Nations do not exist. Your heritage does not exist. 1.00

00:32:00.840 You have no future. 1.00

00:32:02.660 You exist as a deracinated individual in a borderless economic zone, 0.65

00:32:08.340 consuming product until you die. 1.00

00:32:11.160 That's trash world. That is trash world. 1.00

00:32:13.360 That is not the world that God made. 0.98

00:32:16.040 That is not at all the created order that God has given us.

00:32:20.840 And if 2020 showed us anything, it showed us just how much people love that existence.

00:32:32.520 They love it.

00:32:34.220 They love it.

00:32:35.100 I cannot tell you how many people I know from growing up and everything else,

00:32:39.560 how many people just loved lockdown.

00:32:41.520 They're like, oh, wow, I get unlimited time off.

00:32:45.060 I get to be home all day.

00:32:47.780 I get to order food.

00:32:49.360 I just ate six tubs of Ben and Jerry's and watched Hulu all day, Netflix, like there's some cool series out and I want to catch up, right?

00:32:58.700 Just locked away in their little apartments, right?

00:33:01.680 Living like the humans in WALL-E, right?

00:33:04.120 And they love it.

00:33:05.320 They think this is great, right?

00:33:07.100 And incidentally, like the moment I knew, like, I mean, I knew for a long time, but the moment I like really knew this is all fake, this is not real, is when the NFL announced,

00:33:17.460 Yes, we are going to have a season in 2020, right?

00:33:20.300 The world's deadliest pandemic is as bad as the bubonic plague.

00:33:23.480 You are all going to die.

00:33:26.180 But there will be an NFL season, so you don't have to worry about that.

00:33:29.720 I was like, I think this is fake.

00:33:33.040 I don't think this is real.

00:33:36.560 Right, so none of the important things in life, none of the important things in life that really matter, right?

00:33:42.940 If you remember, I mean, it's easy to forget.

00:33:44.300 It's been five years, right?

00:33:46.220 None of those important things that matter the most could happen.

00:33:51.740 But the people who live in Trash World, that love Trash World, the bug man, they don't care.

00:33:57.320 They don't care that there's no weddings, celebrating a new marriage, a new household being created.

00:34:03.700 They didn't care that that didn't happen.

00:34:05.500 They didn't care that there were no baby showers or baptism parties, celebrating the birth of a new...

00:34:12.720 Yeah, snuck that one in there, Joel.

00:34:16.220 celebrating the birth of a child, right?

00:34:20.080 No funerals to honor beloved relatives that have passed away, right?

00:34:27.640 No senior year of high school football, right?

00:34:30.160 They didn't get to have football.

00:34:31.220 The NFL did, right?

00:34:32.560 Consumed product, right?

00:34:34.220 High school kids, nope, sorry, you don't get to do that.

00:34:36.160 You just get to miss, like, the coolest year of your life.

00:34:40.000 Too bad, right?

00:34:41.020 No prom, none of those things, right?

00:34:43.800 No graduation ceremony, no real freshman year of college where you're finally away from home for the first time.

00:34:49.600 Guess what?

00:34:49.900 You get to be at home for your freshman year of college.

00:34:52.540 Isn't that great?

00:34:53.380 Wouldn't you love that?

00:34:55.420 None of those significant, great, momentous events in life could happen.

00:35:02.360 They're all wiped away.

00:35:05.000 But to the bug man, it doesn't matter.

00:35:08.100 It does not matter one bit.

00:35:10.200 I have all the treats that I need right here, right here in my pod.

00:35:14.980 You want me to die of the deadly virus? What? I can't leave the pod.

00:35:20.100 By the way, trans women are real women. It's called just being a decent person, man.

00:35:25.760 This is what they believe.

00:35:27.900 If you don't believe me, just go on this site called Reddit, and you will find so many of them.

00:35:34.860 So many.

00:35:35.660 And so the question, the question is, right, how do Christians, right, how do pastors, how do congregants, you know, faithful Christian people, right, how do you even minister the gospel to a people like that?

00:35:52.900 Right, how do you do it? 0.70

00:35:53.720 um right just forget even for a moment like persuading them the bible perfectly accords

00:35:59.880 with the natural order with the created order that god has made right that it tells us that

00:36:04.860 there is a creator who must exist and he's spoken and he sent his son to redeem us right just even

00:36:11.000 forget like trying to persuade them of that for a moment whichever method you're going to use to do

00:36:15.020 that just forget about that right these people cannot even admit reality exists right how how

00:36:22.840 do you how do you do that how do you show them like okay reality exists and the bible's true

00:36:27.580 right how is that done right how are you going to convince them that the reality they already

00:36:34.320 don't believe in perfectly fits with with what god has said in his word and so you know it's

00:36:42.580 kind of funny i mean i know there's going to be a debate between stephen and and david later on

00:36:46.560 theonomy and and natural law and so forth and so people sometimes will ask me like andrew

00:36:50.580 you know are you still a Vantillian presuppositionalist are you are you a natural

00:36:54.680 law guy now and I'm like I don't even know how to answer that question anymore like I mean you're

00:37:02.520 asking like what what convinces me personally right persuades me the most I mean I could give

00:37:06.540 you an answer to that I guess but but we are in such an epistemologically weird territory

00:37:12.440 that I just don't even know I don't even know what to how to say that right um right mostly

00:37:18.900 depends on who I'm talking to. Who are you talking to? What argumentation is going to work in the

00:37:25.140 moment? What will persuade them and direct them to the truth the best? I'm going to use whatever

00:37:31.560 method that is. I'm sure many of you, Joel referenced it, there was an interview I was on

00:37:37.740 recently, Tucker Carlson. I'm sitting in my own interview and it's always fun watching

00:37:50.820 this stuff. I've watched so many of his with other people and I'm thinking, I wonder what's

00:37:55.080 going through that guy's head while he's talking. Somebody being interviewed. That was my prep

00:37:59.740 work. Watching the old ones, like, okay, how did they do? What did they say? And there

00:38:05.440 stuff going through my own head, right? And in the moment, maybe you saw it, right? The moment

00:38:11.920 in the Tucker interview where we're talking about atheism and he's like, you know, these

00:38:16.960 atheists, I'm just like, right, how are you able to tell what's right from wrong? Like, by what

00:38:21.040 standard can you know what's right and wrong? And in my head, sitting there at that moment

00:38:26.240 thinking, like, when this airs, right, every theonomy guy is going to be like the Joe Rogan

00:38:32.720 UFC meme, whoa, yeah! That's what was going through my head in that moment in that interview.

00:38:40.720 Or the Leo meme. All of them. All of them are going to do that. I didn't ask David about that

00:38:48.720 but I'm sure if he watched it, that's what he did. He was just sitting on his couch. Instead of

00:38:52.720 a cigarette and beer like Leo in the meme, he's got a cigar and a scotch. He's like, bop, bop.

00:39:01.580 He could confirm or deny if that's what happened.

00:39:04.460 So all this is to say, sometimes that line of argumentation, that really works.

00:39:09.060 It's effective.

00:39:09.980 Sometimes something better works.

00:39:12.260 I think I'm going to remain, even after the debate, I'm sure,

00:39:17.160 I'll be like, I like both those guys.

00:39:18.300 They're so great.

00:39:19.000 Isn't that cool?

00:39:21.480 But with people who will tell you with the utmost sincerity,

00:39:27.620 like just straight face, you really believe this,

00:39:30.720 right, that Congressman Tim McBride is actually a woman named Sarah, right, like, where do you begin

00:39:38.220 with people like that, right, where do you, like, I mean, I was in Campus Crusade in college, you

00:39:42.840 know, we did all sorts of evangelism, we had the four spiritual laws, right, imagine, like, sitting

00:39:46.960 down with the four spiritual, like, yeah, Congresswoman Sarah McBride, it's like, that's a

00:39:51.400 dude, right, okay, so anyway, God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life, and you're a

00:39:58.100 sinner and you need his, like, that is not going to work with these people at all, right? How do

00:40:03.640 you communicate the gospel to them in a way that works? And the truth is, I don't think that we

00:40:13.300 can. I don't think that we can. I don't think that we can, right? This is, right? This is the reality

00:40:22.140 of things right God hardens people right I mean you how do you read Exodus and see God say I'm

00:40:29.660 going to harden Pharaoh's heart right you're going to talk to him you're going to tell him exactly

00:40:32.920 what's going to happen and then it's going to happen and he's going to say I'll let you go

00:40:37.220 actually no I'm going to harden his heart his heart gets hard he's not going to let you go

00:40:41.080 right I mean and like we see it from like God writing it in that perspective but like imagine

00:40:47.020 being in the moment being Moses and talking to Pharaoh and knowing everything you say he is just

00:40:54.220 not going to listen to it at all and like and you are literally saying things that God just spoke to

00:41:01.120 you audibly right go tell Pharaoh this okay well I mean well Aaron's the one saying it okay no one

00:41:07.260 no one fact check me on that right Aaron's saying it but like imagine being them in that moment and

00:41:12.380 Pharaoh's just, I mean, it would be like talking to someone who thinks that trans women are

00:41:17.000 beautiful. What are you talking about? What? What? That's what it would be like. God, that's, 0.96

00:41:24.540 that's what it is. God hardening people judicially so much that they believe absurd, insane things

00:41:33.280 and nothing like we do or say is going to change that right only only if God breaks their hearts

00:41:43.840 right through the Holy Spirit and just crushes them and breaks them down is that going to happen

00:41:51.560 right it will be us just continue like just like Moses and Aaron saying what God says to say

00:41:57.120 and waiting for judgment to happen.

00:42:01.960 That's what happened in Exodus.

00:42:05.140 That's what's going to happen today, maybe, unless they repent,

00:42:09.460 unless our nation repents.

00:42:13.660 And so as distressing as all of that is,

00:42:16.740 I mean, that's the thing. 1.00

00:42:18.280 Even in the book, I'm like, you know, I don't want to black-pill people,

00:42:22.380 but things are pretty bad.

00:42:25.000 I have to write about it, I have to talk about it, but the whole second, I could tell which people only read the first half of the book.

00:42:32.040 They're like, man, yeah, that's not really a bad, that's a bummer, man, like, this is hard to read.

00:42:36.280 It's like, you need to read the second half of that.

00:42:40.740 There is hope, right, there is hope, because, right, as distressing as all of that is, right, something else was revealed in 2020.

00:42:48.700 There is a minority, but a large minority, in the country, in our nation, that really does still believe in reality.

00:43:02.400 A large minority of people who see that the emperor actually has no clothes on at all.

00:43:08.580 He's just stark naked, right in front of everybody. 0.56

00:43:12.580 Many of them are Christians.

00:43:14.640 Many of them.

00:43:16.100 You people here.

00:43:17.580 Many of them are Christians.

00:43:18.700 but just as many if not way more are not are not christians right it is it is that group of people

00:43:27.160 right the ones that see that we are living in reality they themselves live in reality see

00:43:31.080 everyone else is nuts um that group of people who i i think this is my opinion take it or leave it

00:43:38.180 right that group of people is the most ready for the gospel on the entire planet right that group 0.61

00:43:45.460 of people uh i mean many of you here i some of you i know right you were that group of people in

00:43:51.280 like 2020 2021 right that was you we're like man things are really messed up really messed up and

00:43:59.400 i but i could see just like all this evil everywhere and so i know there must be a god

00:44:07.080 because i could tell everything's evil right there's there must be a devil because there's evil

00:44:11.340 There must be Satan.

00:44:12.560 So if there's Satan, there must be a god.

00:44:14.360 And if there's a god, well, I think it's the one in the Bible

00:44:19.160 because that's the one all of the people that hate me hate the most.

00:44:24.160 I mean, that's the apologetic method.

00:44:26.020 It's like, who do all the most evil people in the world hate?

00:44:29.440 They don't hate Hinduism.

00:44:31.520 They don't hate Buddhism. 0.64

00:44:32.480 They hate Christianity. 0.92

00:44:33.420 They hate my God. 0.99

00:44:34.500 They hate Jesus. 1.00

00:44:35.820 So it must be true.

00:44:36.920 right there are so many people that reach that conclusion through that line of reasoning so it's

00:44:42.300 like oh presuppositionalist natural law whatever like that's it that's the track there are people

00:44:46.720 in this room that that happened to that have gone down down that road and have heard right many of

00:44:54.280 our speakers and been led to the faith through that through men speaking the truth in a costly

00:45:02.760 way, right? And there are so many more of them, right? There are so many, millions, millions more

00:45:09.980 of them, especially young men, right? Especially young men, young men in their, in their 20s and

00:45:16.520 early 30s, right? Most of them raised in a totally secular environment, right? No contact with the

00:45:23.520 church, no church upbringing whatsoever, very little or no knowledge of the Bible at all, 0.73

00:45:30.940 But they see all the problems of Trash World.

00:45:34.620 Even if they're not fully able to articulate exactly why everything is wrong.

00:45:37.820 They're like, this is just messed up. 0.98

00:45:39.840 Men do not become women. 1.00

00:45:41.360 I know that.

00:45:43.780 And these also are young men.

00:45:46.620 Many of whom, most of whom, they did everything right.

00:45:50.780 They worked really hard in school.

00:45:53.720 Tried to get into the best college they could.

00:45:55.120 They get rejected by all the good ones, even though they have good grades.

00:45:58.300 So they go to a different college.

00:45:59.660 and they work their butt off there, right?

00:46:02.000 They get a 3.95 GPA and then they apply for all the different jobs

00:46:07.580 and what do they find out?

00:46:09.480 Oh, Ginomo, Globo, Globo, hello, Globo Corporation,

00:46:15.640 Fortune 500 company, we really don't need you at all 1.00

00:46:20.120 because, well, you're a man, you're white, you're Christian, 1.00

00:46:24.940 you are not gay 0.97

00:46:27.820 because if you were you would tell me 1.00

00:46:30.200 because that would benefit you

00:46:31.620 and

00:46:33.680 so just leave

00:46:36.040 we don't need you

00:46:36.680 you don't check any of those boxes

00:46:39.660 so we don't want you

00:46:41.820 right

00:46:42.740 so many men have gone through

00:46:45.620 exactly that

00:46:47.600 and

00:46:50.080 they also

00:46:51.820 they're young men, they're 20 something years old

00:46:54.320 they discover, right? They're out there like, okay, time to meet the ladies. And they meet

00:46:58.620 the ladies, and it's like, whoa. Right? These women, like, it's like, I just want to have

00:47:05.520 what my dad had, what my grandfather had, what everybody had, which is, right, you go 1.00

00:47:10.940 to college, you get a job, you work hard, you get married, you buy a house, you have

00:47:16.300 a family. I just want that. That's all I want. I just want that. I just want a normal life.

00:47:22.000 and it's like sorry all those things you don't get to have college you get to go to the your

00:47:29.040 you know 15th choice uh you're you're not allowed into any of them any of the good ones right don't

00:47:34.940 think about harvard or yale or you know even the university of michigan i don't know if steve is

00:47:39.340 here that's a joke for him um but uh right you're not allowed in there you're not allowed to have a

00:47:45.800 good job and then you go you go try to meet young ladies and it's like none of them want to get

00:47:52.460 married right they all want to just hang out with their friends they all want to and there's probably 0.99

00:47:59.520 obvious example there's a single thing after this or there's right I'm not talking about you ladies

00:48:03.220 but uh right they they find out like it is so hard right it is so like like these guys and it's like

00:48:11.720 And they're good-looking guys.

00:48:13.020 You look at them and think, okay, buddy, I've been in your shoes.

00:48:16.060 He probably leaves a couple pounds.

00:48:17.000 No, they're good-looking.

00:48:18.980 They're fit.

00:48:19.480 They work hard.

00:48:20.300 They have good jobs. 1.00

00:48:20.960 And it's like, I can't even get girls to talk to me.

00:48:23.180 Are you kind of weird?

00:48:24.100 No, you're a normal guy.

00:48:25.120 You're fine.

00:48:25.500 Interesting.

00:48:27.300 That's the experience of so many men.

00:48:30.940 And they discover all the young women.

00:48:33.520 They want to be strong, independent women.

00:48:35.700 Strong, independent women.

00:48:36.740 I don't need no man.

00:48:37.960 And they've also discovered that maybe my ancestors, all the Americans that came before me, that built this nation, maybe they weren't the most evil monsters in all of history.

00:48:56.160 Maybe they actually were pretty good.

00:48:58.640 Maybe they were good people.

00:49:00.540 And they're not perfect.

00:49:01.560 They did some bad things.

00:49:04.000 Every human society everywhere does bad things.

00:49:07.060 Yes.

00:49:07.960 Yes.

00:49:09.100 What?

00:49:10.660 Yes.

00:49:12.660 But they were good people, right?

00:49:15.400 It is a nation to be proud of, a country to be proud of, a history to be proud of.

00:49:22.460 And they discover this, and it's like, whoa, everything my 11th grade history teacher told me about American history is like,

00:49:30.140 if I just believed the one, it's like George Costanza, right?

00:49:35.640 Where's the 80th problem?

00:49:36.560 It's like George Costanza, right, in the Seinfeld episode, right, George discovers that everything

00:49:43.540 that he's ever done in his life is the exact wrong decision, and so he just begins to do

00:49:48.420 everything by the opposite instinct of, that he would have, right, and so he sits down,

00:49:54.980 he orders the exact opposite sandwich at the diner, and he walks over to a woman and tells

00:50:00.920 her, right, my name is George, I'm unemployed, and I live with my parents, right, and she

00:50:05.020 gives him her phone number. Where was I going with that? Oh, yeah, yeah. Your 11th grade

00:50:15.080 history teacher tells you, oh, well, I can't even think of an example. CJ and I have been doing this

00:50:25.800 history series. They're all in my head somewhere. Literally everything. It's the opposite. The

00:50:31.340 Civil War was entirely about, here's a good one, John Harris is here, the Civil War is 0.88

00:50:34.980 entirely about slavery, right? All the people in the South, every single one of them owned 0.93

00:50:38.840 slaves, they hated black people, and they liked to whip them, and they were very evil, 0.98

00:50:43.100 and of course everyone in the North was glorious, wonderful angels, and their only concern was the 0.99

00:50:48.140 plight of black people in slavery, right? That's their only concern, right? And then you discover,

00:50:53.580 whoa, it was actually way more complex than that, right? Of course, like slavery is an issue,

00:50:59.880 Yes, thank you.

00:51:01.200 Way more complex than that, right?

00:51:04.040 You discover things like that.

00:51:05.180 You discover so many things about history that's completely, completely wrong.

00:51:09.300 Like, oh, the progressive era, right?

00:51:11.460 Well, that actually wasn't good, right?

00:51:14.100 Wait, I thought they were fixing society.

00:51:17.040 They didn't do that?

00:51:18.120 Oh, weird, right?

00:51:19.580 Every single, oh, the New Deal was bad?

00:51:22.720 Oh, my goodness, right?

00:51:26.140 What?

00:51:27.340 We'll skip over some other stuff that's controversial.

00:51:29.580 I'm going to skip over other things. I don't want to get in trouble like Daryl got in trouble.

00:51:37.580 I'm not going to say anything about Churchill, any of those things. None of that. Let's just

00:51:44.580 skip right to Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon is an evil villain. The worst president ever. And 0.99

00:51:49.580 it's like, no, he was not. They kicked him out because he was already doing Trumpian type

00:51:56.580 Trumpian type stuff.

00:51:57.580 So anyway, all of these things, we're taught history and it's absolutely 180 degrees different.

00:52:06.820 And young men are seeing this stuff.

00:52:09.520 They're seeing, oh, I've been lied to about so many things.

00:52:13.820 So many things about the entire world and they don't know who to trust.

00:52:20.000 It is, again, like it's an epistemic crisis.

00:52:23.900 They don't know what, right?

00:52:25.140 Because you live in a world

00:52:26.120 where people don't understand reality whatsoever

00:52:27.920 and it can mess with people really badly

00:52:32.200 when it's like, oh, hopefully this is not on YouTube

00:52:35.460 so it didn't get you banned.

00:52:36.820 But like the vaccine, it's safe and effective, right?

00:52:38.980 If you take this, you'll never get the virus

00:52:40.960 and there are no downsides to it whatsoever.

00:52:45.440 So take it, right?

00:52:46.540 And they see that and it's like, oh, it's not good.

00:52:50.040 I was lied to about that.

00:52:51.100 What else have I been lied to?

00:52:52.440 Wow, right?

00:52:53.720 If you eat 17 helpings of grains every single day on the food pyramid, you'll be, don't eat too

00:53:00.380 much meat. That's bad for you. You discover it's like, man, if I just stop eating all the grain

00:53:05.220 and eat like three times as much meat, I just, I instantly, you know, look like a He-Man action

00:53:12.720 figure, right? Like, they discover that, like, seriously, the, right, Robert Kennedy is probably

00:53:18.560 one of the most important guys right now because diet and nutrition, right, like your physical

00:53:24.840 body, you find out that you've been lied to about everything on that, and then you discover,

00:53:30.060 what else have I been lied to about this world, right? That's what's happening to millions of

00:53:36.320 young men simultaneously around the country right now at this exact moment. And the church has an

00:53:44.020 opportunity, right, an opportunity to lead, right, an opportunity to tell the truth. But what have

00:53:50.860 our churches always done, especially with young men? What do we tell them, right? Joel was stealing 1.00

00:53:56.700 all my stuff in the introduction, so hopefully this is taken well, right? What does the church

00:54:04.580 tell them, right? Evangelical churches tell them that, well, you just need to man up, right, the

00:54:10.180 problems that you have, right? You can't find a good job. Well, obviously, it's because you're

00:54:14.740 lazy, so stop complaining, right? You lazy, lazy, good-for-nothing guy, right? Oh, you can't find 0.98

00:54:23.220 any girls to marry? Well, the problem is probably you. You're a loser, right? Because women, 1.00

00:54:29.580 they actually can't sin. Did you know this, right? And like, this is what we tell them constantly, 1.00

00:54:35.900 right? For years, for decades. This is what I grew up in. This is what we all grew up in.

00:54:39.320 oh men are the problem right you go to church on father's day man you're bad you need to get 0.98

00:54:46.680 your life right you're the worst you're so lazy you don't do a good job you're not a good dad 0.99

00:54:50.500 you're not a good husband right mother's day women you are so wonderful and we're so happy 0.99

00:54:56.860 you're here you're you're so great i just i just wish i could be a woman right like that's that is

00:55:03.980 That is what they say on Mother's Day and Father's Day.

00:55:09.940 It's what happens constantly, every time.

00:55:13.080 Never, never, never, never are young men given a sympathetic ear.

00:55:19.100 Never are young men told,

00:55:22.180 yes, things are very, very difficult for you specifically today.

00:55:29.660 Things are bad.

00:55:31.400 but in spite of it you can still have a good life right you can right but right this is the hand

00:55:39.680 you've been dealt right this is where God has put you today where things are way harder for you than

00:55:44.520 your fathers than your grandfathers and to have the things that that right they just had to show

00:55:51.760 up and they got it like you just show up and boom factory job your your wife can stay home you have

00:55:57.600 a car, you have a house, a house that you paid $10,000 for. Isn't this great? You can't just

00:56:05.500 show up. You have to go way out of your way to work extremely hard to have the things that you

00:56:13.240 want to have in life. And yes, you have been lied to about so many things. You were lied to during

00:56:19.680 the pandemic about everything. I mean, this is what happened to me during the pandemic.

00:56:26.280 I just assumed they were

00:56:28.240 I always assumed they're lying

00:56:29.340 anything on the news is just 100% wrong

00:56:31.780 so if you remember in the very very very beginning

00:56:34.440 they're like nobody worry about this thing

00:56:36.540 out of China

00:56:37.140 if you worry about it 0.92

00:56:39.980 you probably are racist against Chinese people 0.91

00:56:42.800 don't buy masks 0.99

00:56:44.660 don't wear masks

00:56:45.600 don't do any of that

00:56:46.260 so like what did I do

00:56:47.600 and you're all going to make fun of me

00:56:49.980 but I just went out and got as many masks

00:56:53.840 as could I be wearing them everywhere 1.00

00:56:55.080 and I'd walk around like an idiot, 1.00

00:56:57.100 like, he's got my mask on, you know, 1.00

00:56:59.080 and people would look at me like I'm crazy.

00:57:02.100 My parents are here.

00:57:03.100 I remember calling them, like, in March of 2020,

00:57:06.000 and they're in, again, this is all when the media

00:57:09.040 is telling you're racist if you are worried about this.

00:57:13.480 And my parents are at, like, Disney World in Florida.

00:57:16.780 I'm on the phone, what are you doing there? 0.91

00:57:19.940 You're old, you're gonna die, get out of there now. 0.99

00:57:23.340 They will confirm that I made that phone call. And then immediately the media turns on a dime. 0.99

00:57:30.340 I'm thinking if a pandemic is real, if we're going to have something like the bubonic plague

00:57:35.340 ever again, they would not tell you that's going to happen. Same thing like the meteor thing or

00:57:41.340 any kind of disaster, like they're going to tell you that's going to happen. No way. If it's

00:57:46.340 fake, they're going to tell you about it all day long, nonstop, period. The opposite, it's usually

00:57:52.340 a pretty good heuristic. It failed that time. But usually pretty good. And, right, young

00:58:01.220 men, right, they went through that and they adopted that heuristic, right, that whatever

00:58:06.920 I'm being told, I cannot trust it. Right. All of the institutions that had built up

00:58:12.900 decade after decade after decade of social trust just burned through all of it in a year.

00:58:18.940 All of them.

00:58:19.940 Not just the medical industry, the media, academia, Hollywood, all of them burned through

00:58:28.980 all of it overnight.

00:58:29.980 And people are like, I don't believe anybody.

00:58:32.120 I don't believe anyone at all.

00:58:35.720 And you do that and you can go crazy if you don't believe anything. 0.95

00:58:40.720 You can go nuts.

00:58:43.020 Instead of taking like a red pill, you take the entire bottle of red pills. 0.84

00:58:48.180 you will od on them right you'll believe who that's not true right that uh right that the cia

00:58:55.200 told you that right like like anything like literally anything you'll you'll believe is just

00:59:00.720 is an op everything is an op right you will not believe actual truth and this will happen

00:59:07.340 in the church right this happens to people it's like i don't know is the bible really true now

00:59:14.120 Like, legit faithful Christians will start questioning, right, things that they hold absolutely true because they don't trust anything at all anymore, right?

00:59:22.460 An epistemic crisis begins to develop, right?

00:59:25.980 So therefore, right, it's incumbent on the church, it's incumbent on us to be institutions that gain their trust, that gain people's trust.

00:59:36.540 And how do we do it?

00:59:37.180 By actually telling them the truth, actually telling them the truth about everything, right?

00:59:43.080 that's how you gain credibility. That's how you gain trust, right? It comes very slowly, right?

00:59:49.140 You make little deposits here and there and here and there over time, right? That's how people,

00:59:54.300 any kind of trust, that's how it happens, right? And the biggest one that we can be doing right now

01:00:00.080 is telling young men, look, you're not evil, right? You are not evil. You're not bad. You're

01:00:06.320 not a loser. You're not terrible, right? You're not evil because you're a man. You're not evil 0.86

01:00:10.180 because you're white. You're not evil because seeing a tranny that looks like Danny DeVito's 1.00

01:00:16.480 penguin makes you want to throw up. You're not evil for those things. That's normal and good 1.00

01:00:21.080 and fine to be that way. And there are millions of young men just like this that know that things

01:00:29.360 are very, very, very wrong and are desperately looking for someone with answers and any kind

01:00:37.020 of strategy to make things better, right?

01:00:39.620 That's what they were doing, right?

01:00:41.400 That's why I wrote the book, The Boniface Option, and, you know, I began thinking about

01:00:46.840 those things actually for years, right after reading The Benedict Option, and actually

01:00:53.300 I liked that book, The Benedict Option, I liked it a lot, even though it's, the author's

01:00:57.940 a pretty loathsome guy, and my only problem with that book was that, right, even if you 1.00

01:01:05.580 withdraw to intentional Christian community, right, which I'm a big advocate for, believe me, 0.80

01:01:13.420 right, you have to individually and collectively consciously be at war with Trash World, right, 0.91

01:01:20.980 every aspect of it, internally, individually, as a person, as a household, as a family,

01:01:27.160 as a church, as a whole community, right, you have to be at war with it, right, Trash World

01:01:32.880 isn't just out there it's inside of you right it's not just enough to withdraw from it just go

01:01:39.020 somewhere else right because wherever you go it's going to be there still right you can't just hide

01:01:45.400 away from trash world right you you have to despise it with everything in your being and be 0.80

01:01:51.020 constantly at war with it and the flip side is that right defeating trash world is not simply 0.91

01:01:59.900 about individually rejecting all of its premises by yourself

01:02:02.840 and living the way that human beings everywhere used to live.

01:02:07.320 Having a household, having a wife, having children,

01:02:11.000 raising them the way God wants us to.

01:02:13.800 You can do those things, but it is extremely difficult,

01:02:19.400 if not impossible, to do that totally alone.

01:02:22.460 And by totally alone, I don't mean just living out in a cabin in the woods

01:02:25.680 or something like that.

01:02:26.320 I mean, like, you could be in churches where you're the only one doing that, right?

01:02:31.060 You can be in a community where you're the only person that is, like, consciously, things are really messed up.

01:02:35.920 We want to raise our kids this way. 0.97

01:02:38.220 And everyone thinks you're nuts, right? 0.73

01:02:40.300 It is hard. 0.95

01:02:41.540 I mean, I know many of you out there have lived through that, right?

01:02:47.180 The only one.

01:02:47.860 Everyone thinks you're crazy because, oh, you're homeschooling your children.

01:02:51.360 Aren't they going to turn out weird?

01:02:53.140 It's like, look at how the kids turn out to go to public school.

01:02:57.980 No.

01:02:59.860 You are not designed to be alone.

01:03:03.420 You're not designed to do things alone.

01:03:05.820 You're not designed even to do things alone as a family.

01:03:08.960 You're designed to live in community.

01:03:11.800 You need to be around many others who also see this world for what it is. 0.99

01:03:18.500 others who see how fake and gay 0.98

01:03:21.360 all of everything is 0.93

01:03:23.240 I don't know if you guys saw

01:03:24.460 have you seen the meme

01:03:25.440 that was going around

01:03:26.740 where it was like 0.99

01:03:28.420 girls Bible study

01:03:31.240 God loves you

01:03:33.840 how did you feel about that Bible passage

01:03:35.580 men's Bible study

01:03:36.720 it's just a video of Joel and me and AD 0.94

01:03:38.440 saying fake and gay 0.99

01:03:40.260 fake and gay 1.00

01:03:41.700 fake and gay 0.99

01:03:43.020 for like two and a half minutes 0.97

01:03:44.640 but it's real it's real right you need to live around people that would laugh at that joke

01:03:54.100 right people that can live together and build a tiny world outside of trash world's control

01:04:02.620 right to the extent that you can right to live out around others who live in reality who have

01:04:08.680 households, actual households, who are raising families, right, who are building things that

01:04:14.740 they intend to last for generations and to pass on to their children, right? That is, that's what,

01:04:22.560 you know, we are doing in Tennessee. That's what, you know, the Ogden guys are doing in Ogden. That's

01:04:27.020 what Joel is doing right here, right? Many people, and others. You know, there's a place up in Idaho,

01:04:32.400 oh, I think that they're doing things like that.

01:04:35.760 Right?

01:04:36.040 They are, and, right, you need to have people that have your back,

01:04:42.680 that will support you.

01:04:44.360 Right?

01:04:44.560 You need that more than anything else.

01:04:47.500 Right?

01:04:47.680 You need to not be alone in the fight against Trash World.

01:04:52.780 And fighting against Trash World, I'm probably almost out of time.

01:04:56.700 Oh, I'm past time.

01:04:58.480 Oh, Joel's never going to let me live it down.

01:05:01.320 All right.

01:05:02.400 So fighting against trash world is what each of the speakers here have been doing, are doing, and will continue to be doing.

01:05:11.200 Even if they don't all use that nomenclature, I hope they do because that's my word.

01:05:14.400 I made it up, I think.

01:05:16.080 Maybe I got it from the Internet.

01:05:17.100 Who knows?

01:05:18.320 But it's mine now.

01:05:21.100 So Joel has caught some flack for having such a wide array of guests up here.

01:05:28.540 and you might have discovered we don't actually agree with each other

01:05:32.140 on every single thing in the world, right?

01:05:34.920 How about that?

01:05:36.840 In fact, I disagree with some of them, or with each of them, on some things, right?

01:05:43.220 So I'll go through a few of them.

01:05:47.440 For one, I'm happy to let Joel and John Harris be totally wrong

01:05:53.380 about the sacrament of baptism.

01:05:55.700 It's okay.

01:05:56.540 I mean, it's not okay, but I put up with it.

01:05:59.500 It's all right.

01:06:01.320 I am happy to let the Ogden guys think that living in Utah is better than living in Tennessee.

01:06:09.240 And also that beards are better than mustaches.

01:06:13.320 Although if you look at Ben Garrett back there, I'm starting to win the argument.

01:06:17.540 So we'll see what happens in June.

01:06:20.940 I'm happy to let Steve Dace believe that the Lions are better than the Vikings.

01:06:26.540 Although he knows that J.J. McCarthy is going to be awesome,

01:06:29.260 so he doesn't know what to do now.

01:06:32.400 And there is a little minor disagreement about eschatology in there.

01:06:37.340 Calvin and I have a minor difference in opinion on the Reformation.

01:06:44.640 But maybe he'll permit me to offer my counterfactual history.

01:06:50.800 It goes something like this.

01:06:52.180 If Henry IV hadn't have abandoned the Huguenots,

01:06:55.640 and France would have become a Calvinist paradise. 0.97

01:06:59.480 The political, social, and economic problems of the Enchant regime 0.97

01:07:03.800 wouldn't have festered for two more centuries

01:07:06.780 and culminated in the French Revolution.

01:07:09.800 And bam, no trash world.

01:07:12.640 So tight logic there.

01:07:19.440 With Orin, man, I'm really trying to get into metal, man.

01:07:24.560 but I just can't do it.

01:07:28.520 I'm just not going to be able to sip a martini

01:07:31.040 while listening to Pantera.

01:07:33.200 It's not going to happen.

01:07:36.420 Stephen Wolfe.

01:07:38.080 Stephen Wolfe is not post-mill,

01:07:40.580 but being post-mill myself,

01:07:43.940 I am confident that one day he will be.

01:07:49.040 With Mr. Reese, I too love Rush Dooney and Bonson,

01:07:52.960 but not nearly as much as he does so that's okay that's okay that's okay and uh I left out CJ

01:08:00.160 because you know you can watch the show and find out what we disagree about all the time um oh and

01:08:05.580 lastly A.D. Robles uh I hope I didn't leave anyone else out but A.D. Robles all right that guy

01:08:10.500 right one of my things is like we each get one deviation right we get one thing in trash world

01:08:17.120 that we get to enjoy like mine I mentioned it's football NFL football like that's how I knew

01:08:21.060 if the pandemic was fake because the thing I liked was coming back.

01:08:26.040 Mine's football.

01:08:26.760 He chose Major League Baseball.

01:08:30.020 Listen, a sport where they now let guys go up to the plate with a bowling pin.

01:08:36.980 Have you seen this?

01:08:39.100 These torpedo bats. 0.98

01:08:42.020 And just think about how they massacred that sport with money.

01:08:44.940 I used to like it.

01:08:45.680 I used to love baseball.

01:08:46.980 They massacred it with money ball.

01:08:48.860 right it's three hours long right almost as long as one of Joel's sermons and and nothing

01:08:55.900 nothing happens but walks strikeouts and the occasional home run right talk about nothing

01:09:02.520 ever happens right that is major league baseball right so each of these men each of these men I

01:09:07.940 have I have disagreements with some significant some trivial you know funny maybe funny I don't

01:09:12.880 know and we have differences with each other we don't agree on every single thing but but there

01:09:18.220 is one thing, one singular thing that unites each and every one of these guys is that they've

01:09:26.520 demonstrated tremendous courage at various points, right? Every single one of them has taken stands

01:09:33.400 that have cost them something, right? Every single one. And each of them have inspired other men to do

01:09:40.660 the same thing, right? They have, and women too. I won't leave the ladies out, right? More than

01:09:45.860 anything else, more than anything else, to defeat Trash World, to rebuild a functioning 0.53

01:09:52.340 civilization, to rebuild a Christian civilization, it will take men with tremendous courage taking 0.56

01:10:00.540 action. Some in great ways, some in ways that you'll see, you'll know about, like doing

01:10:06.200 impressive, great, awesome things. But even more importantly, multitudes of men doing

01:10:12.800 courageous things in very small ways, right? Ones that don't make the news, ones that nobody knows

01:10:17.900 about, but lots and lots and lots of them, right? Doing the little things in life that matter the

01:10:25.560 most, right? All of them taking risks, all of them doing what is right, no matter what the cost is.

01:10:33.480 And so if you want to smash the great idols of Trash World, right? If you want to chop down the

01:10:41.280 grotesque, bloody tree that is Trash World, right, more than anything else, you must cultivate 0.93

01:10:49.380 courage, right? And so if this conference does anything at all for you, right, let it inspire 0.91

01:10:57.120 you to live with boldness, the boldness that is required to defeat Trash World. Thank you.

01:11:11.280 All right, Joel said I can come back and talk for another hour.

01:11:24.220 I don't have any more jokes, I'm sorry.

01:11:27.140 No, he wants me to pray, so it's only going to be 15 minutes.

01:11:33.220 Gracious Heavenly Father, we thank you for this day that you have given us,

01:11:38.300 for the life that you give us each and every moment,

01:11:42.380 for all the things that you bless us with.

01:11:45.200 We thank you for the privilege that it is to be here,

01:11:48.840 be among all of these men and women.

01:11:51.780 We pray that you would bless us,

01:11:54.240 that we would grow,

01:11:55.580 that we would become more faithful,

01:11:57.460 that we would become more bold,

01:11:59.200 that we would know the things,

01:12:02.560 both great and small,

01:12:04.220 that require courage that you want us to do.

01:12:07.660 We pray, Lord, that we would leave from here tonight

01:12:12.260 and each night of the conference that we would leave from here

01:12:14.960 encouraged and strengthened to serve your kingdom

01:12:18.980 and to build your kingdom and to grow your kingdom

01:12:23.240 in every way that you've given us.

01:12:26.560 We pray that you bless each and every person here,

01:12:29.220 that you protect us and keep us safe,

01:12:31.820 and that you would be honored in all that we do.

01:12:36.320 And we ask these things in Jesus' name.

01:12:39.120 Amen.

The NXR Podcast - April 12, 2025

THE CONFERENCE - Session 1 - Trashworld & The Boniface Option - Andrew Isker

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