THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - An Epidemic Of Spiritual Homosexuality
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In this episode, Dr. Carl Sagan joins us to talk about his new book, "Trash World" and why it's so important to understand that the world we live in is fake and gay, and why we need to push back against it.
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review on your favorite podcast platform. Thanks. You live in a dystopia.
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Every part of historical human existence in our world has been turned on its head.
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The world we live in is an inversion of what God created you to live in.
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All that is good is treated as though it were repugnant.
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All that is beautiful is treated as though it were repulsive.
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And the truth is forbidden while the most outrageous lies are exalted.
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this world did not become like this by accident or by inexorable forces of history
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it was designed to take the life your ancestors had and tear it apart to prevent you from
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attaining a normal human way of life after the events of 2020 the lockdowns the regime
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sponsored riots and the dubious election, many people became aware of the fact that we have
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elites who rule over us who might not have our best interests in mind. For at least a segment
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of the population, the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab, George Soros, and the late Jeffrey Epstein
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became household names. Millions of people are now terrified of what apocalyptic hellscape these
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people will create, but they're not asking the right questions. The question is not what are
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they planning to do to us? What you should be asking is what have they already done and what
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can people do about it? You call it trash world. Some guys call it clown world, but one thing that
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you did really well, I think just in the preface is talking about how it's fake and gay and not
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just to get a rise, but those words are intentional. Let's, let's talk about fakeness and
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gayness of trash world and how we need to recognize it and push back. Yeah. Yeah. Well, um, yeah,
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the, the, the fakeness and the gayness, and I, I talk about this in, in the book and I'll,
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I'll say that a lot, but I talk about this in the book that it's not just, um, like a schoolyard
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slur or, or something that that's intentionally provocative. Of course it is intentionally
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provocative, but, but it isn't just that. It isn't, it isn't just something to, to make you
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recoil. It, there's a deep meaning to it that the, the world around us is, is fake. It's not real.
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It's not, it's totally artificial. The entire way of life that, that we now have is, is not
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something that is, you know, one sustainable. It's not something that is, is a way that human
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beings have really ever lived in in our entire existence and um and it's it's all set up by this
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kind of house of cards both both socially and economically and everything else politically
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and um when you begin to see it and you you have to have some kind of understanding of history of
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like how did how did my great great grandparents live how did people two three hundred years ago
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live what what were their lives like um who did they you know did they have families and
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extended kin networks and neighborhoods and communities that they were deeply invested
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in a part of. And those are things that just don't exist anymore. And they don't exist because
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everyone just forgot. Like, oh, we just forgot how to live like human beings. No, it's been
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designed to be a way where you are totally isolated. And the only reason for existence
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for most people is just to consume product to entertain themselves until they die.
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Um, and, uh, we can get into the, the gayness aspect of it as well.
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Um, you know, I can, I can read some more of the, uh, the, the section later on.
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Uh, one of the things that you said that I found really helpful was just saying that
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one of the reasons why our overlords can get away and our culture just at large can get
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away with being so fake is because of the accrued capital that's come from like the industrial
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revolution or, you know, just the last hundred years of accruing just as a massive amount of
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wealth. Like Doug Wilson says it like this. He says like, you know, the prodigal, when he took
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his father's money, he didn't, he didn't spend it all, you know, overnight. It took a while for him
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to actually, cause his, his dad worked hard. His dad was wealthy. So it's, it's a lot of wealth
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that you got to burn through. And one of those things is it's not just the capital and the wealth,
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but it's also when you think about how people work today, how they produce, because of innovations
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and technology and all these kinds of things, it allows for us to pretend, especially when we think
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about gender, it allows us to pretend that there really is no difference between male and female,
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because once upon a time, in order to produce, in order to work, you actually require physical
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strength in a way that we don't necessarily require it today. And so I thought that that
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would be interesting to talk about the dynamics between men and women and those kinds of things
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and how, you know, so. Yeah, no, I was just, I was just, when I, when I read that first chapter,
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it reminded me of something I've had conversations many times with people and they've been thanking
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me for the videos I do or whatever. And one of the things they'll often say is it was nice to
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know that I wasn't crazy. Yeah. Right. And, and that, and that is people because, because your,
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your your families are real your kids are really like you're you know especially christians they've
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got a a lot of times a connection with reality but then they see how fake everything is and they
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start to wonder maybe i'm crazy right yeah when they see others that are like that well i guess
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i'm not yeah that's where the fakeness comes in here right yeah yeah absolutely i mean and that
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that's part of the design too is um they want people to be isolated and alone so that when
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when you notice, oh, things are not right. Everybody else is still, you know, plugged
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into the matrix and you're not, and you feel like you're the one that's taking crazy pills
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and, and you, you're completely alone, right? You have nobody alongside you that says,
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no, things are really bad. So yeah, when, when you read, when you discover that, you know,
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there are other people that think like you do that see these things are this way, it's a huge
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boost you know you're not you're not alone you you aren't they want you think you are but but
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you're not and um that's that's part of it and and to one of the things joel said um it isn't it
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isn't just the the material wealth that that was accrued over the last 100 or 200 years that were
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uh you know the equity were were quickly burning through um but it's also it's also every other
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form of wealth like social capital um and and just um inherited a virtue uh across an entire
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society and civilization um that took you know decades centuries millennia to accrue and to
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build up like the idea uh and you would see this um i remember you know like when i was in college
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that's when the the new atheists like uh were doing their thing like christopher hitchens and
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and daniel dennett and james lindsey yeah that's right oh yeah oh yeah like he was he's the young
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guy like these are all the old guys but yeah they they were doing their thing and saying you know
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they were always arguing that oh like i remember christopher hitchens was always like oh no man
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man can be good without god we we can have virtue without god and in in those days in the early
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2000s you you could say stuff like that right you could say uh because you could you could just be
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naive and think, oh no, we got, we got all of this social capital and a fairly virtuous, stable,
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well-ordered society just randomly. It just, it just appeared out of nowhere because that's how
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human beings are. And today, you know, in year of our Lord, 2023, um, they can't make that same
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argument anymore, uh, that the world is actually very brutal, brutal place. Um, you know, even just
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the idea of being able to have a a society where i come from very small town and growing up at least
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nobody would lock their doors a lot of people still don't they don't lock their car doors and
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and when i went and lived in bigger cities you know i tell people this that's where that's what
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people do there uh they couldn't they couldn't fathom that like how could you not lock your home
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when you leave like you're gonna get robbed um and uh and that's that's that's what's happened
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across our entire civilization. You used to be able to have very safe communities where people
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could live in peace. And that didn't happen by accident. That kind of world was built across a
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millennia of Christian discipleship. And we've burned through that very quickly, especially in
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the last 20 years. And so this idea that man could be good without God, well, that's a much
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harder argument for these people to make and and people are beginning to see this now that you you
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actually need the the capital that's been built up over generations to um to be able to have a
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functioning stable society and and it's gone right gone and and so the question is and this is this
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stuff we'll get into over you know all of these episodes that we're doing is how do you how do you
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as an individual right what can what can one man do you know in a world that's gone insane right
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What can one man do in a world that is, you know, burns down cathedrals that took us, you know, two centuries to build, right?
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I think that, like, the burning of Notre Dame is kind of a, almost like a visual symbol of what has occurred, where here's this cathedral, you know, hundreds of years to finally complete, and most of it burns down in a single day.
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That's what we've done, is this beautiful thing, this beautiful structure our ancestors toiled over.
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They didn't even get to see it finished and see the glory of this thing.
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So it isn't just tangible material wealth, which is the obvious one.
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It's having a society where people put their shopping carts back in the cart corral, and that's just assumed, right?
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Uh, things like little, like even little tiny things like that, where you go to the, you
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go to the fast food place and you expect to get good service or a restaurant and the person
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Um, yeah, no, Votie Bauckham said, I remember doing an interview with him and he said, uh,
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you can tell, you know, what religion and what kind of like Christian capital society
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has, um, when you come to a four way stop, you know, like you can tell, like, uh, has
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Christendom been here before, you know, or, or has it not like what, you know, what is
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just the mindset. Is there law? Is there order? Is there consideration? All those kinds of things.
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And so, yeah, we're living in trash world. We're living in a world that is quickly burning up the
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Capitol because in part, it's like we refuse to recognize where it came from because we don't
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want to pay homage to Christ. We don't want to kiss the sun. We don't want to honor God and say
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that, well, this Capitol came from generations and generations of people fearing the Lord
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and living in obedience to his commands. And so we're pretending that it just fell out of the sky.
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We're going to accredit everything to the inventions and innovations of man,
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rather than recognizing that these inventions and innovations came from a
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And so that's, you know, that's some of the fakeness,
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but to talk about a little bit of the gayness, I want to do.
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because it's one thing that you reminded me of,
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So, and it kind of reminds me, I think it's, it might've been Hemingway.
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They asked him how he went broke and he said, you know,
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And it certainly seems like that's happening, you know, where we're over time we've been engineered into this fakeness and all that capital that you're talking about is kind of, you know, been, you know, we've been taking it out, not depositing anything back in.
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And I think lots of people have picked up on that recently.
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Like I've told, you know, people, and I know you guys have probably said the same, but like 2020 was a mercy from the Lord in the sense that things got worse, but they got worse finally bad enough and quick enough to where, you know, maybe somebody would notice.
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We're pretending, but also it's, as you said, it's a gay world.
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And so in this, I'm just going to go ahead and read a portion. In the 1980s, as the AIDS epidemic
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was at its height, the leftist French philosopher, Michel Foucault, nevertheless, continued to
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regularly attend bathhouse orgies and homosexual sadomasochistic clubs. He famously wrote,
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sex is worth dying for. He meant what he said. He died of AIDS in 1984. See, for the homosexual,
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insatiable desires must be pursued even knowing it will cost him his life in economic terms he is
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the ultimate high time preference man the ultimate high time preference man he only lives in the
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present present there is no thought for the future he is quite obviously incapable of pursuing
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offspring. He is willing to cut off any and all social relations that prevent him from pursuing
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his predilections. In short, the homosexual is both the apex consumer and the easiest personality
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to manipulate and lord over. That's our society. People are easy to manipulate because we've been
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reduced to our basis desires. It's all about vice. It's not about virtue. We call vice a virtue.
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We call virtue a vice. People want what they want. They want it now, want supersede actual needs,
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in part because we refuse to acknowledge what are the true needs of humanity because
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we've rejected theology, the study of God, who God is, and so therefore we're off on our
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anthropology, who man is. Therefore, we can't define what man actually needs to thrive as an
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individual and in a society. And so if we don't actually know who God is, therefore we don't know
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who man is, therefore we don't know what man requires, then it's just, okay, forget what man
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requires. What does man desire? What is this man, me? What do I want? I want it. I want it now. And
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I live for that. And it doesn't matter. Who cares about what it's going to do to me in the long run
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and much less, you know, what it's going to do to my descendants. All right. I'm just going to say
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it this show is fantastic you know it's fantastic i know it's fantastic but i'm willing to admit
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to do don't waste any more time binge watch the whole season today so it's not just about men
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having sex with other men no gayness goes way beyond that yeah right yeah yeah absolutely yeah
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So when you use the term, and that's kind of, you know, the title that we're kind of
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playing around with this episode, you know, it's proposed, we'll see what it actually
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But the title is, you know, Trash World, Fake and Gay, but then saying how this, you know,
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actually seeped into the church, how evangelicals are gay and that they've become spiritual
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homosexuals, that they become, and what we mean by that is not that they actually are
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sexually attracted to the same sex, but we're saying that evangelicals by and large,
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sadly to our shame uh we've become fruitless yeah we've become fruitless yeah yeah we've adopted
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this the same mindset and lifestyle um that that the homosexual has i mean that's that's what our
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culture has has become is is to a fruitless society that um lives to consume right whatever
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produces and immediately consumes right that's that's the kind of of of world that we live in
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a day. And, and it, of course, like within the church and within, you know, uh, you know,
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both regular evangelical churches and, and, you know, the big Eva on high, that kind of
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influences everything. Um, it gets dressed up, you know, it gets dressed up as in, in
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very holy pietistic language. Like you can put lipstick on that pig really well. And,
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uh, and you see that, I mean, you see it, especially, um, over the last 10 or 15 years
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where people will talk about the gift of singleness and how singleness is so great
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and so wonderful. And like, why are they saying this? Who are they saying this to? They're saying
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it to the young 20, 30 something year old people who have jobs, have careers, things like that,
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and have a little bit of income. And instead of forming families, instead of getting married
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and having children, they don't for whatever reason. Maybe they can't find a spouse. Maybe
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they don't want to find a spouse. And so it gives them this kind of cover of you're perfectly fine
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the way you are. Just go pursue your life. Go, go on vacations, have fun, you know, go have brunch
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with your friends every, on the weekends and take pictures of the, of the food and put it on
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Instagram. Like that, that's a, that's a perfectly wonderful, wholly fulfilling lifestyle. And well,
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you know, Jesus never got married. Paul never got married. So you're just like them. And then so
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they can dress it up that way, but really what it is, is, is giving license to this, the same
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thing that we're talking about, a society that is intentionally fruitless, that is intentionally
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consumerist and hyper consumerist where you're, you're not producing anything for descendants
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for any, any, any, you know any culture, right. Even, even going back to, to some of the stuff
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we already talked about you see the people who who lose their minds over um over uh christian
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culture right um and or cultural christianity rather right yeah uh and and they they they
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hate it i mean you like famously russell moore uh decried you know decried it in i think the
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new york times or one of a publication yep and i remember and said oh mayberry leads to hell just
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as swiftly as gamora and and he thought that was such a clever great line yeah it was stupid it's
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like, I want to live in Mayberry. I don't want to live in Gamora. Yes, people go to hell in both
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places, but for very different reasons. And so you see this, it's like, no, we can let the
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Christian capital burn down. We can burn through all of that. And that's good because that's good
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for the church because persecution is great. But one of the big differences between Sodom
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and Mayberry is not just that they go to hell for different reasons, but the way that the people
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who are going to hell treat the people who are going to heaven right like in sodom you know like
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the way that you know the way that lot gets treated right so like they're they're you know
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in a bad city or a good city there's going to be you know people who are unregenerate there's going
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to be people who are um and that's not even to get into the percentages and numbers because i think
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in a good city i think that actually does lend uh towards uh more people actually being born again
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by grace alone. But aside from the numbers, the people, whatever it is, the people who are
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regenerate, the people who are God's elect, who are going to heaven, Mayberry is going to allow
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them to live in a heavenly way with far less persecution and opposition than Sodom is going
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to allow Lot and his daughters to live. So it's just categorically different. How is that not a
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net positive, especially when you have children? Like to think, you know, it's like I have kids,
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I'm not just thinking about, um, the life to come that, that is premier and it matters immensely,
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but I'm also thinking about my children, their physical welfare here and now I'm thinking about
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where can I raise them, where, uh, where they're going to be protected, where they're safe and
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where I'm even allowed to raise them and, and where there won't be taken away from me, you
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know, and all those kinds of things. So. Yeah. And, and, and, and so much of it is, you know,
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if you're, if you're burning through this, this, uh, this Christian, the capital of,
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cultural Christianity. I mean, God uses means, right? I always tell people, you know, when they
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ask, well, why are you a Christian? It's like, well, I was raised by a Christian family and
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most of the people around me were Christians growing up. Christian, at least, you know,
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moral practice pervaded the whole society, whether or not people actually believed in Jesus or not.
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And all of those things are means that God used to bring me to him.
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And if I was not raised in a Christian family and everybody I know everywhere hated Jesus,
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It always boggles my mind when guys like Russell Moore say stuff like that, because
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they almost want to shame you if your story of how you became a Christian is something
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like what you just said, that that's not legitimate.
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You're not a legitimate Christian if that's how you came.
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I've told you a little bit about my story on the drive here.
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and you know I was not always a believer you know and I did a lot of degenerate things
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but when I you know came to the end of myself I ran to the church because that's how I was raised
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my father raised me in that context my brother and my you know my sister my mother all my family
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they were Christians and so when I knew that I was a disaster and the final straw you know won't
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talk about that that's what I did I went to the church because I knew that's what that's how I
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was raised there's everything good about that and in mayberry there's going to be people that do the
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exact same thing and in sodom their their lot is is pretty bleak yeah if they come to the end of
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themselves because yeah because usually rock bottom for them is something disastrous and
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where do they go there's nowhere to go there's nowhere to go yeah right yeah that's a great
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point yeah precisely yeah so with all that you know i think about like um well going back to
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the singleness for a second like so that's i mean that's been a huge lie singleness is a gift just
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for the record uh biblically speaking singleness is not a gift celibacy is a gift so um and there's
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a lot of people who think what's the difference joel well the difference is that uh if you're
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single and masturbating uh then you don't have a gift yeah you don't have that you know you don't
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have the gift of you shouldn't be single yeah like the one who burns and and that's another thing is
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like the bible what it prescribes uh to the problem of lust is uh marriage and if you're
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really struggling with lust then the bible says marry faster um you know that that you actually
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should pursue marriage. And right now you've got a bunch of, thanks to the Gospel Coalition and
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some of these teachers, you've got a bunch of single individuals, men and women, who actually
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have been talked into thinking that what they have is a gift. But at the end of the day,
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many of them are not living in sexual purity. And so they're not actually, they don't actually
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have the gift of celibacy. They shouldn't be single. That burning, that passion should be
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a driving force and there's a million reasons why single singleness is prolongated in our culture
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today and we'll get to some of those but you know part of it is economics part of it is pornography
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part of it you know there's but part of it is bad teaching in the church uh the world the world
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doesn't really want when you think of again that the fakeness and the gayness you know being uh you
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you can't reproduce you're fruitless uh you're on it's yolo you only live once you're living for
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this generation this is the apex of humanity we've climaxed and we're just we just want another good
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20 to 50 years and then we don't care if all of humanity ceases to exist. That's the mindset of
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the world. But that has seeped into the church as well, I think, in many ways. And so when you think
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even for a team of elders or deacons, a pastor, if he persuades everybody in his church that they
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should get married and that they should have children and that if the Lord would bless them
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towards this end, they should seek to have many children and they shouldn't rely on the public
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school system to raise those children for them. So that means they're going to be paying extra
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tuition for a Christian school or not be able to rely on a second income from mom because she's
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going to be in the home homeschooling. All those have numbers attached to them. There's math
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involved with that. And what you see, all the math associated with all this stuff,
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it is definitely difficult to do the things that you're saying, to actually have a family,
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to have a household, to have children, and to not rely on the dual income like you're saying.
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this is extremely difficult and this book that's an intentional thing that it's become difficult
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right it's not just random because we know all the stories from our parents about what their
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house costs when they bought it and what they made you know my dad's a nuclear engineer and he
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told me what he made you know when i was a kid and it just completely blew my mind i mean that's
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what an administrative assistant makes now or a desk worker a receptionist and yet you know we had
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a decent standard of living it was more money he made he made less but in real it was more yeah
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buying power it was infinitely more way more and so part of the part of the trash world and the
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fakeness and the gayness of it is this artificial way that it's been become difficult to actually
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have a real life right yeah you don't you don't see it it's not like um it it's not like it's
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this overt thing where, oh, now, now you, you know, you went to college and you have your career
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and all of this, and now you should be able to afford a home and be able to get married and
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have children because that's what your parents did. And, and now it takes, it takes for many
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people that second income just to be able to keep their head above water. Uh, and that, like you
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said, that's by design. They've, they've sapped things away. It isn't like, you know, now, you
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Now the tax rate is at 90% when it was at 30 before, but functionally it is.
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They've sucked away so much wealth through inflation and through various other economic
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degradations that you see the dollar amount that you make compared to what your dad made
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And you think, I make so much more money than my dad made when he was my age, but you don't
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You make way less in real terms, and that's not by accident.
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They want people to be stuck in this way where you're – where any – you barely have any expendable income.
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The hope of, yeah, living how human beings have lived for millennia of having a wife and children is just out of reach.
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It's something – I'm never going to be able to get to that point.
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They want you to think that way of life is impossible, so don't even try.
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spend all of your discretionary income on Uber Eats and Netflix and OnlyFans.
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And that's good for them because they get all of that consumable money right away
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rather than you squirreling it away and investing it, putting it toward a house, things like that.
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That's money that's off limits to the people in power they don't want.