The NXR Podcast - THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - Are Today's Jews ＂Opposing All Mankind＂？ (1 Thessalonians 2_13-16) w Andrew Isker - S04E03

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00:00:26.800 To get a clear understanding of the Jew-Gentile issue in the New Testament,

00:00:31.480 you have to understand Christ's earthly ministry within the context of the Old Covenant. 0.96

00:00:37.100 There is a reason the eternal second person of the Trinity

00:00:40.040 entered human history and took on flesh in Israel. 0.94

00:00:44.320 There is a reason that he was born a Jew. 0.81

00:00:47.020 There is a reason that he was not born in Rome or China in the first century. 0.96

00:00:51.980 The purpose of the Old Covenant was to bring the promised seed,

00:00:56.460 The seed of the woman from Genesis 3

00:00:58.300 that would crush the serpent's head. 0.61

00:01:00.500 God continued that promise to Abraham,

00:01:03.080 telling him, in your seed,

00:01:05.240 all the families of the earth will be blessed.

00:01:08.280 The promised seed would come through his line.

00:01:10.760 God promised that it would continue through Isaac,

00:01:13.560 then through Jacob.

00:01:15.120 And in Jacob's sons, this nation was formed

00:01:17.340 through which the promised seed would arrive.

00:01:20.320 This was their primary reason for existence.

00:01:23.860 This is why God, despite Israel's constant rebellion and unbelief, painstakingly preserved

00:01:31.060 them. They were called as a nation to be priests to all the other nations, serving as mediators

00:01:37.680 between the nations of the world and God. This was a ministry that they consistently failed to

00:01:43.360 achieve, but nevertheless, God was gracious, and the fulfillment of ministering to the nations of

00:01:49.440 world was the seed coming through them. All of Old Testament history led to this culmination

00:01:56.480 in the incarnation of Jesus Christ.

00:02:19.440 All right, here we are. 0.91

00:02:24.340 What was the point of Israel? 0.96

00:02:26.220 Yeah. 0.92

00:02:26.760 What was the point of Israel?

00:02:28.100 What is the purpose of Israel in the Bible, right? 0.86

00:02:30.960 Why Israel is a good question.

00:02:34.460 And why so much patience with God?

00:02:36.620 Certainly we can say that it's true to his eternal nature, his character.

00:02:40.800 He is a God who is slow to anger, long-suffering, kind, merciful,

00:02:48.320 upholding faithfulness to the thousandth generation of those who fear him.

00:02:52.560 But the problem is that an argument can be made that throughout the history of Israel,

00:02:58.480 under the old covenant, few feared the Lord, that many died out in unbelief.

00:03:04.520 On that note, it's worth mentioning, we were talking offline, and I thought it was

00:03:09.120 helpful, the old pejorative replacement theology. You had a really good point. You said,

00:03:16.500 well, if we want to talk about replacement theology, then I guess God was a proponent

00:03:21.140 of replacement theology during the 40 years of Israel's wandering in the desert. 0.89

00:03:26.220 Yeah, you replaced that generation. 0.98

00:03:28.340 The entire generation. 1.00

00:03:29.640 Wiped them out.

00:03:30.620 Save Caleb and Joshua.

00:03:31.980 Yeah. Yeah. Or, I mean, other instances throughout Israel's history during the exile,

00:03:38.300 They come in, that Israel is kicked out of the land, and many of them, perhaps even the majority of them, are killed or sent into exile, sent away from the land, sent into a kind of quasi-slavery. 0.58

00:03:55.940 You look at that, when God is destroying the wicked in Israel, is that replacement? 0.70

00:04:03.500 Is that what's happening? 0.76

00:04:04.240 Because in the New Covenant, the same thing happens.

00:04:07.520 You have the wicked that are destroyed that reject Christ and reject the Holy Spirit, reject his church, and God comes in judgment.

00:04:16.560 Christ comes in judgment in 70 A.D. and destroys Jerusalem and Judea.

00:04:20.660 But the faithful Jews that clung to Christ, the remnant of Israel, they're preserved.

00:04:27.120 So they're not being replaced. 0.97

00:04:28.380 And the question of who is all Israel that is being saved, right, did those who fell in the wilderness, right, that sinful and wicked generation, right, were they all Israel? 0.99

00:04:39.540 Right. 0.99

00:04:39.880 No. 0.67

00:04:40.440 Or the ones that are destroyed in the judgment from Babylon, right, are they part of all Israel? 0.85

00:04:46.500 No. 0.84

00:04:47.220 No, they're not. 0.98

00:04:48.000 The faithful remnant is the all Israel, right? 0.94

00:04:50.840 Not all, Paul says this in Romans, not all Israel is of Israel.

00:04:56.360 The ones of faith, the children of faith are all Israel that are saved.

00:05:00.900 Right.

00:05:01.500 Yeah, to quote Romans 11, like all Israel will be saved

00:05:04.100 and then say that that has to indicate a future spiritual revival among Israel

00:05:09.420 and that it has to be universal.

00:05:10.600 It has to be each and every individual person in the modern nation state of Israel

00:05:16.320 coming to faith in Jesus Christ.

00:05:20.360 Paul doesn't even think that in Romans 9, two chapters earlier.

00:05:23.980 He's saying that not all Israel is of Israel.

00:05:26.680 I want more of Israel to be of Israel, the true Israel.

00:05:29.720 But he's saying that there are wicked apostate people that have rejected their God.

00:05:35.820 They're cut out of the covenant completely and the branches are burned.

00:05:40.320 That's what happened in the wilderness in Exodus.

00:05:44.740 That's what happened in the exile.

00:05:46.000 That's what happened periodically throughout Israel's history is the apostate branches are cut off. 0.64

00:05:51.280 And if they're not grafted back in in faith, they're burned. 0.90

00:05:54.600 Right.

00:05:55.300 And so one of the great purposes of God preserving this people for as long as he did

00:06:00.580 was to bring about the messianic promises, to bring about the seed,

00:06:06.060 singular seed who is Christ.

00:06:08.880 And it makes perfect sense in biblical sense that shortly after within one generation

00:06:13.920 of Christ being born and finishing his earthly work in his life, death, burial, 0.86

00:06:19.600 resurrection and ascension that Israel would be done. Yeah, as a particular nation, as a particular 0.89

00:06:28.900 people, and as within the particular covenantal framework that God had set up, right? If you

00:06:38.140 think, if you ask this question, what is the purpose of Israel throughout the old covenant?

00:06:43.180 Why do they exist?

00:06:45.860 Well, God tells Abraham, right, in you shall the seed come, right?

00:06:52.080 In you, this is where this chosen seed in Genesis 3, right?

00:06:56.840 The seed that would crush the head of the serpent, right?

00:06:59.460 Who's it going to come through?

00:07:00.320 What line, right?

00:07:01.240 There's all these different lines and family trees already by the time of Abraham.

00:07:05.040 Where is it going to come? 0.92

00:07:05.860 It's going to come through him.

00:07:07.060 And then through Isaac, shall your seed be named and all the way down to Jacob.

00:07:11.360 And so you see this, right? 0.95

00:07:12.780 The tribes of Israel, and even from the get-go, Jacob's sons, many of them are very wicked. 0.93

00:07:17.280 I mean, so wicked that you have the proto-seed, right, Joseph, they drive him out, right? 0.78

00:07:24.700 They try to murder him, and only his one brother saves his life, but they drive him out and sell him to slavery in Egypt, right? 0.99

00:07:33.000 And that's, of course, right, this typological picture of Christ, right? 0.72

00:07:37.120 He is the true Joseph that his brothers have rejected. 0.83

00:07:40.700 and and so it's these people right these this particular nation that is preserved throughout

00:07:48.700 this time by god sovereignly to bring about ultimately uh the messiah the son uh jesus

00:07:56.800 christ who would be born of a woman and take away sin and so through all throughout that time they

00:08:02.740 they had to be preserved even right you look at in the book of judges um one of the tribes right

00:08:08.100 All 12 tribes had to be preserved.

00:08:10.040 One of the tribes almost was completely wiped out, the tribe of Benjamin.

00:08:13.560 And you look at it and you think at the very end, there's only a handful that remain, like 700 that remain.

00:08:21.100 And there's this big question.

00:08:22.980 It's like, well, we can't have this heritage wiped out. 1.00

00:08:25.320 We need to get them wives and repopulate the tribe of Benjamin.

00:08:28.320 And that's a major theme at the very end of the book of Judges. 0.75

00:08:33.360 And the reason for that is, right, you need to preserve these tribes so that this promise could be fulfilled of the Messiah.

00:08:40.440 That's why they had to continue to exist all throughout this time. 0.73

00:08:44.720 And so the whole history of Israel is a history of rebellion against God, of rejecting their God from even from Genesis, but also in Exodus, right? 0.87

00:08:55.100 They're constantly rebellion and turning away from him and clinging to idols instead of him.

00:09:01.700 And God judges them.

00:09:02.780 Then he's also very gracious and he restores them.

00:09:04.820 This continual process of them sinning against him, him bringing judgment, forcing them to repent, and then him restoring them.

00:09:12.600 That process played out over and over and over and over again in their history.

00:09:17.200 And the question is, what for?

00:09:20.320 I mean, why is like the majority of this Bible, like, I mean, you almost have it here.

00:09:24.460 you're in Matthew, but this much of the Bible, what's the point of all of that? It's this history

00:09:31.060 to bring us to Jesus. And so, if that's their purpose as a people, if that's why they're set

00:09:36.720 apart, that's why they're chosen, is to be the people from whom Jesus comes, once Jesus has come,

00:09:44.460 then what? Right. Talk to us a little bit about the Gospel of Matthew, a little bit about just,

00:09:50.760 well, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit versus the blasphemy of the Son of Man,

00:09:57.820 the unforgivable sin. And then also the idea of narrow is the way, few ever find it. Narrow is

00:10:05.600 the gate, hard, difficult is the way. So it's a difficult path. It's a narrow gate, few ever find

00:10:11.600 it. And yet Jesus says something completely contrary to that in the same breath. Yeah.

00:10:19.120 Yeah. Well, first, the unforgivable sin, right? So, this is one, right? Sometimes you'll hear

00:10:26.040 many people like to preach on this and you'll have sweet, wonderful Christian people who will

00:10:32.980 be racked with conscience, right? They will say, well, pastor, I just read this in Matthew that

00:10:39.360 there's a sin that I could commit that God would not forgive me for that. But you preach that all

00:10:46.560 our sins are forgiven in Christ. If we confess our sin, he's faithful and just to forgive us

00:10:51.460 our sins. So is there, like, what is it? We're not told what the one is. What is this one sin

00:10:56.420 that I could do? What is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Have I blasphemed the Holy Spirit? Is

00:11:00.960 God not going to forgive me for this sin? And, you know, sometimes you'll get these complex

00:11:06.160 theological answers where people will try to concoct some sort of theory to explain how

00:11:12.760 there's this really special sin that you can commit, but don't worry, you haven't done it.

00:11:19.120 But if you read it in the first century context, in the context of Jesus's ministry, and in the

00:11:25.700 context of all the things we've been talking about in the series, right? Well, what happens

00:11:31.020 in the history of Israel? If this is Jesus preaching to Israel and not just to your sweet

00:11:36.980 evangelical grandmother who's worried she might have blasphemed the Holy Spirit,

00:11:41.200 If he's preaching to Israel, look what he says, right?

00:11:44.520 If you blaspheme the son of man, that will be forgiven you, right?

00:11:48.060 So what does Israel do? 0.77

00:11:49.800 They literally blaspheme the son of man. 0.98

00:11:52.100 They call him a glutton and a drunkard, and they have him executed without cause.

00:11:58.300 And he says, right, even if you do that, I will forgive you.

00:12:03.620 I will forgive you your sins.

00:12:05.420 And what happens, right?

00:12:06.640 he sends the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. 3,000 in Israel that very first day are saved. Many thousands

00:12:12.800 after that come into the church. And these are all, almost all of them Jews, right? Israel is 1.00

00:12:18.760 being forgiven of the sin of blaspheming the Son of Man. But what happens? Pentecost comes. The 0.90

00:12:26.040 Holy Spirit comes to the church. He comes and he begins through the church doing the same things

00:12:34.320 that Jesus did. You see this in the book of Acts, right? All the same signs that Jesus did, right?

00:12:40.100 What are the point of all the signs, the miracles and wonders that Jesus did? It wasn't just to be

00:12:45.520 like, oh, that's really cool. Jesus is great. It was, here are these signs. Here's this power I

00:12:51.620 have been given from God. You need to listen to what I say, right? You need to listen to what I

00:12:57.260 say because of these signs, right? It's a gracious act of God for him to do that, to accompany his

00:13:03.080 words with signs that we would listen to him. Well, the Holy Spirit does the same thing via

00:13:09.060 the apostles and via other Christians when the Spirit comes upon them, that they heal the sick,

00:13:16.160 they give sight to the blind, they heal the dead, they speak in other tongues, right? All of these

00:13:22.040 things begin happening. And the point of it isn't just, oh, look at these cool superpowers that the

00:13:26.880 apostles have. It's that these men have the same authority that Jesus had. These men have Christ's

00:13:32.920 authority to speak on his behalf. You need to listen to them. And so they begin preaching in

00:13:37.340 Israel. The spirit is preaching in Israel. And what do they do? They blaspheme them. They drive

00:13:44.500 them out of the synagogues. They beat them. They torture them. They martyr them like Stephen. 1.00

00:13:49.100 And what does Jesus say? If you do that, you won't be forgiven. In Israel, in the law of Moses,

00:13:57.840 for a capital punishment to be carried out, what do you need? You needed two or three witnesses. 0.84

00:14:05.000 So, if you have the witness of the Son and then the witness of the Holy Spirit, now you have two

00:14:11.880 witnesses and capital punishment can be carried out. And that is what happened in 70 AD. There's

00:14:18.120 40 years they're given to repent, the same stretch of time as that generation in Exodus. 0.95

00:14:23.280 right for 40 years i mean this is psalm 95 for 40 years i've put up with this wicked generation

00:14:28.700 and the same thing this generation i mean that phrase this generation this generation this

00:14:35.120 generation jesus in the gospel of matthew uses it over and over and over again and

00:14:41.500 and i mean it's that same language with psalm 95 right well 40 years later from when jesus is

00:14:48.000 saying this stuff, right? Judgment does come. The capital punishment is carried out, right? The

00:14:54.800 blasphemy against the Son is forgiven, but not the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. And the

00:15:00.720 capital punishment that is deserved for blasphemy is carried out corporately for all of Israel. 0.88

00:15:07.060 Right. And then going even deeper, so that's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, 0.81

00:15:13.360 speaking within the context of Israel within the first century that they rejected the Son,

00:15:18.000 And then they rejected the ministry of the resurrected Christ by virtue of the Holy Spirit

00:15:22.340 filling the apostles. And so they blasphemed both. And that generation, those who blasphemed

00:15:28.900 the Spirit, that there was not another chance at redemption, that they were rejected by God.

00:15:36.400 And yet at the same time, those who were true Israel, according to the promise,

00:15:40.600 among Israel, according to the flesh, they did repent leading up to 80-70 and were grafted in 0.68

00:15:47.000 as the natural branches, joining the wild olive shoot, those branches, which had already been

00:15:53.380 added into the true tree and the root being, of course, Christ. Well, what about the idea of

00:16:01.160 that narrow is the way, narrow is the gate, difficult is the way, few ever find it.

00:16:08.480 A lot of evangelicals today, they would pair that up, cross-reference that with Matthew 7.

00:16:14.120 many will say on that day, Lord, Lord, we did this in your name, that in your name,

00:16:18.280 depart from me. He'll respond, depart from me for I never knew you. A lot of people

00:16:22.760 hold it just intuitively as a portion of their theology that hell will far outpopulate heaven

00:16:31.200 in the final analysis. Now, Charles Spurgeon, a Baptist, did not actually believe that. He

00:16:37.520 believed that heaven would far outpopulate hell, that he said, I cannot see that God would allow

00:16:44.720 his adversary, the devil, to get the final laugh. And so, you know, but what does that mean within

00:16:50.660 the context? Again, understanding the teachings of Jesus within the context of that first

00:16:56.160 generation of Israel. What did he mean by that? Yeah, so you look, I mean, you look at the Sermon

00:17:01.000 them out, the first question you should ask is, who is he preaching this to? There is a particular

00:17:09.200 audience that he is preaching this to. Even the broader picture, and maybe we'll get to this a

00:17:15.320 little bit later, but the broader picture of the book of the gospel of Matthew is that Christ is

00:17:23.100 living out through the story of Matthew the experience, typologically, the history of

00:17:31.660 Israel. So like the first example, Matthew 4, Jesus goes where? He's baptized in the Jordan

00:17:39.380 River. He crosses the Jordan River, but Israel crosses the Jordan, of course, but also crosses

00:17:45.140 the Red Sea. And immediately after they cross the Red Sea, where do they go? They go into the 0.85

00:17:48.700 wilderness. Well, what does Jesus do? He's baptized in the Jordan and he goes out into the wilderness

00:17:54.560 to be tempted by Satan for 40 days instead of 40 years. And immediately after that, what does he do?

00:18:01.440 He goes to a high mountain and begins preaching on the law. Well, what is that? That is Moses on

00:18:09.220 Mount Sinai, right? And the whole Sermon on the Mount is this discourse on the law. And so who

00:18:16.820 is he preaching to? He's preaching to Israel in particular. So, he says to them, right,

00:18:23.600 enter by the narrow gate, for the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction,

00:18:29.760 and those who enter it by it are many. But the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads

00:18:34.500 to life and those who find it are few. Right? So, he says that, he uses that word many, right? Many,

00:18:40.300 right, to the people he's talking to directly, right? Many go to the wide gates and few go to

00:18:46.320 the narrow gate, right? That is what he says. But then, right, just a few paragraphs later in

00:18:54.240 chapter eight, right, after Jesus heals a centurion servant, right? So, a Gentile, Roman. 0.99

00:19:05.020 So, the audience is a little bit different here, right? He's not talking to Jews in Israel. He's

00:19:10.020 talking to a Roman centurion. And what does he say? Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel

00:19:18.220 have I found such faith, right? Matthew in chapter 8, verse 10 says, Jesus heard that he marveled

00:19:25.720 at this guy. He's marveled like, whoa, I have not seen faith like this in all of Israel, right? I

00:19:32.840 tell you, many, right, literally the exact same Greek word, many will come from east and west

00:19:40.400 and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, while the sons

00:19:45.980 of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place, there will be weeping

00:19:50.820 and gnashing of teeth, right? The sons of the kingdom being the sons of the kingdom according

00:19:57.040 to the flesh, the nation of Israel.

00:20:00.560 So this whole idea that, you know, well, heaven will...

00:20:02.820 What's Jesus talking about there?

00:20:04.020 One, it's like, it sounds like supersessionism to me.

00:20:08.360 Yes.

00:20:08.700 So the idea that, you know, that heaven is going to be, you know, the frozen chosen,

00:20:12.900 that it's just you and a few...

00:20:14.180 Tiny few people.

00:20:14.820 Yeah, you and a few other guys who had perfect doctrine.

00:20:18.380 We passed our theology tests.

00:20:19.960 Right.

00:20:20.460 And everybody else is going to go to hell, that hell is going to, you know, completely

00:20:25.100 dwarf the population of heaven. It's going to be far exceeding it. That's not what Jesus is saying.

00:20:32.380 He's saying to Israel, and particularly that generation, the generation that would crucify him,

00:20:39.580 he's saying, few of you, few of you Israelites according to the flesh, few of you are Israelites 0.86

00:20:45.880 according to the spirit, according to the promise. And so only a few of you will make it through the

00:20:50.720 narrow gate who is himself. It's me. He's the narrow gate. He's the way, the truth, and the

00:20:55.880 life, the door. The rest of you, you're going through the wide gate. But the rest of you are

00:20:59.180 going through the wide gate. You will reject me and reject the Spirit, blaspheme the Son,

00:21:05.660 but also then blaspheme the Spirit as he ministers through the apostles,

00:21:09.780 teaching all the very same things that I said. You'll have two chances. You'll deny them both,

00:21:14.440 and you'll be not denied by my Father. But then when he shifts audiences and begins speaking to

00:21:20.520 the Gentiles and the Romans, this Roman centurion in specific, he says, many, but not many sons of

00:21:27.660 the kingdom in the physical sense, aka Jews, but many from east and west. So many outside of Israel,

00:21:38.120 many Gentiles will actually come and they will line the table, fill in the seats at the table

00:21:44.640 with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. So, this idea that few people throughout all of church history,

00:21:52.000 few people will be saved is not what Jesus is saying. Many actually will be saved,

00:21:57.480 but predominantly among the Gentiles. And so, there's no reason to think that in the final 1.00

00:22:02.340 analysis that more people might actually believe in Jesus. That's not to say that right now,

00:22:07.140 if we stopped right now. Yeah, if history ends today. My bet is that hell would far outpopulate

00:22:13.040 heaven. But if you give it some time and the mustard seed continues to grow into a larger

00:22:19.760 and larger tree and the leaven continues to work through more and more of the whole batch of dough

00:22:24.340 and you take that with being not only the Great Commission but the cultural mandate to be fruitful

00:22:29.900 multiply. So just the idea that as time goes on you also have just a greater overall population

00:22:35.380 of human beings. So if 75% of the population is regenerate and saved a thousand years from now,

00:22:44.040 and the total population is 10 times or a hundred times what it currently is just in terms of 0.66

00:22:49.320 humanity, then the redeemed would far outnumber the reprobate. So at this time, we would say, 0.65

00:22:56.360 yeah, there probably are more people in hell, but God's plan's not done yet. It's really in many

00:23:01.940 ways. We could say that we're still just getting started. But with Israel, the big picture was

00:23:06.540 Jesus was not prophesying a fatalistic statement for all peoples and all times. He was not saying

00:23:15.940 throughout the entire course of human history, few people will believe the gospel.

00:23:21.060 Yeah. I mean, you see that. He was saying in this time, among these people, the Jews,

00:23:26.780 few of you will receive me as your Messiah. 0.57

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00:25:32.400 Again, that's rightresponseconference.com. Yeah, he's preaching to Israel specifically there.

00:25:38.600 And yeah, because he's not contradicting himself by saying what he said to the Gentile. 0.85

00:25:45.560 The Gentile is the counter example to this, that there will be many. 0.72

00:25:50.260 And it's not a coincidence that he's saying this to a Gentile that who, what does he say about him? 0.83

00:25:59.060 Right, this Roman centurion. 0.52

00:26:00.900 I have not seen it. 0.82

00:26:01.700 He doesn't just say, wow, you have great faith, but he uses it to knock Israel. 1.00

00:26:05.220 That's amazing you have such great faith because you're a Gentile and you don't know that much about, you know, God's word. 1.00

00:26:12.700 He marvels at this. 0.96

00:26:13.600 He marvels that here's the Gentiles far from the kingdom in a geographic sense is much closer to it than the sons of the kingdom, right? 0.95

00:26:23.380 And he marvels at this. 0.94

00:26:24.760 You see elsewhere in Matthew's gospel and the other gospels when Jesus encounters Gentiles and in the book of Acts when Gentile God-fearers are encountered. 1.00

00:26:35.220 They way outclass in terms of faith the Jews consistently. 0.99

00:26:43.140 And it's like, until you notice that, until you see that and you're looking for it, you just pass right over that. 0.99

00:26:52.080 That they intentionally point out, the gospel writers intentionally are pointing out the spirit of God and inspiring. 0.88

00:26:58.700 He's intentionally pointing out that it's the Gentiles who have this amazing, strong faith, and Israel does not at all. 0.91

00:27:08.060 They will not listen. 0.93

00:27:09.700 So right here, this point is, I think, a major one in showing this distinction that Jesus has come to Israel, and Israel does not want him. 0.97

00:27:19.380 Every time he bumps into a Gentile in the Gospels or every time the apostles bump into Gentiles, they're like, wow, yeah, tell me about this. 0.88

00:27:28.060 Can you heal my, can you heal my servant? 1.00

00:27:29.960 I know you can just say the word and it's going to happen.

00:27:33.260 Whatever he says, I will, whatever you say, I'll do it. 1.00

00:27:36.680 Israel comes, right.

00:27:38.260 And, or he comes to Israel and he's performing all these signs and wonders and miracles.

00:27:43.720 And they're like, like in the gospel of John, yeah, that was pretty cool, but we're going to need to see some more evidence.

00:27:50.220 Right.

00:27:50.440 You need to do a couple more signs.

00:27:51.860 Well, that's one of their better responses.

00:27:53.100 There are other times where they say by Beelzebub.

00:27:56.800 You're casting out demons.

00:27:58.060 Oh, you could do that? Well, it must be by the power of demons.

00:28:01.600 You're using demonic power to cast out demons.

00:28:03.800 You're the son of Satan, not God.

00:28:05.560 And the same principle that we're espousing is also expressed by Christ in the parable of the wedding banquet.

00:28:14.540 And the servants of the king are sent out to invite all these people.

00:28:20.460 And there are, you know, the first wave, the people who were initially invited, you know, the rightful citizens of the kingdom in every human respect.

00:28:33.600 And they're invited, but they all make excuses.

00:28:35.580 I'm not going to come.

00:28:36.360 I'm busy.

00:28:37.200 I got to shampoo my hair.

00:28:38.740 Right.

00:28:39.200 Mow the lawn.

00:28:40.000 And so then the servants return and they report to the king and say, you know, we went out and gave the invitation to all the people that you named.

00:28:48.280 And yet they refused.

00:28:49.280 refused. And then, you know, he sends them out and says, well, then forget them, but go beyond

00:28:55.140 them to all these people who were not initially invited, that were not initially citizens of my

00:29:00.820 kingdom. But now the invitation extends to them and they're the ones who come. And so the final

00:29:07.160 picture is not a wedding banquet with five people, you know, and that the vast majority are outside

00:29:14.220 where there's weeping and gnashing and teeth. No, the vast majority of Israel, according to the

00:29:18.740 flesh is outside where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. But the wedding banquet is

00:29:23.040 actually full. And it's full because the initial individuals who were invited by the king to the

00:29:31.360 wedding banquet reject the king's offer and thereby are rejected by the king. And the invitation then

00:29:37.980 passes them over and extends to those who were not the natural citizens, aka the Gentiles. And 1.00

00:29:45.420 they receive the invitation with gladness and a great many of them come in. And so my point is,

00:29:51.980 you know, as we're talking about this, the theme that you begin to see throughout Israel again and

00:29:56.800 again and again, I think James B. Jordan actually talks about this also. He says that Israel,

00:30:02.480 the whole purpose of Israel was to bring about the seed, the Messiah, the Messianic prophecies

00:30:08.000 fulfilled, which was always to bless all the nations through you, through your seed, Abraham's

00:30:13.300 all the families of the earth would be blessed. And so that was the primary point was to bring

00:30:19.720 about Christ who would save not just Israel, but all the nations. But then secondarily,

00:30:25.560 as an example, James B. Jordan talks about, he says that another purpose of Israel is that it

00:30:34.120 would stand as a profound example to showcase the mercy and kindness of God. So think of Pharaoh.

00:30:42.100 So in Romans chapter 9, the Apostle Paul says, speaking on God's behalf,

00:30:48.260 for this reason I raised you up that I might display my power.

00:30:52.820 Think about that for a moment.

00:30:54.540 How does God show off?

00:30:56.800 I mean, if you're infinite, then you don't have any legitimate enemy.

00:31:04.980 You can never really showcase your true fighting power and strength

00:31:11.740 Because, you know, with just the tip of your finger, your opponent is immediately rendered unconscious, you know, or struck dead.

00:31:19.520 You say one word and it's over.

00:31:21.040 Right, so how does, you know, like, I mean, still to this day, we take great encouragement and hope in thinking that we serve the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God who sent ten plagues to Egypt.

00:31:35.360 Well, it's wonderful that we're able to speak of the ten plagues of Egypt rather than the one.

00:31:40.540 Yeah.

00:31:41.740 And the reality is that verse in Romans 9 where he says, for this reason, I raised you up.

00:31:48.440 I raised Pharaoh up.

00:31:49.400 It's almost like a picture.

00:31:50.940 Imagine that God with one hand is holding Pharaoh up so that with the other, he can actually show off his right hook, but actually show off 10 punches instead of just one.

00:32:05.760 And the only way that he can get to 10 punches is with his other hand, he has to hold Pharaoh up.

00:32:10.760 because Pharaoh doesn't have the fortitude to withstand even one blow of God, much less 10.

00:32:15.880 And so God is, in his sovereign power, he is bringing down his power on Egypt and Pharaoh

00:32:22.700 and simultaneously propping up his opponent so that he can show more of his power and his faithfulness to his people.

00:32:30.720 Well, likewise, in the same way that God supernaturally hardened Pharaoh's heart,

00:32:37.480 Pharaoh consciously chose in human agency to harden his own heart, and yet God also sovereign,

00:32:43.180 both are true, God hardens Pharaoh's heart supernaturally in order to prop him up so that

00:32:48.780 he might display his power. Well, in the same way, I would say we're in a similar way, God also

00:32:54.520 wanted to display not only his power and his judgments, which are terrible and awesome, but

00:32:59.320 he also wanted to display his mercy, his slowness to anger, his kindness and grace. So what did he

00:33:05.640 do with that? Well, in the case of displaying his judgment and power, he selected Egypt and Pharaoh

00:33:12.340 in terms of showing off how much mercy he has in the tank. He chose Israel, and he sustained

00:33:20.300 Israel with one hand for 1,500 years, give or take, and with the other, he lavished on them.

00:33:29.400 Century after century after century, generation after generation after generation, loving kindness,

00:33:34.980 is Israel, the point is, Israel does not stand in the Bible as an example of what it is to follow

00:33:42.420 God faithfully. They serve, apart from being the avenue, the agency by which God would bring the

00:33:50.700 Messiah into the world, the seed, beyond that, outside of that, one of Israel's only primary

00:33:57.180 purposes throughout the Old Testament is to serve as a powerful, profound demonstration of just

00:34:03.060 how merciful God is. Israel does not show the faithfulness of Israel. It shows how patient

00:34:10.680 God could be with arguably one of the most stiff-necked people on the planet. I mean,

00:34:16.620 Jonah goes to Nineveh. They have Christian nationalism in like 15 minutes. The whole 0.90

00:34:24.080 nation is wearing sackcloth and fasting and repenting. And then Jesus, and for anyone who

00:34:29.980 would say it's pretense. Jesus later says that the men of Nineveh will rise up and judge this

00:34:36.160 wicked generation of Israelites, meaning that these guys, many of them were actually regenerate. 0.94

00:34:41.620 The preaching of Jonah, they repented and they will rise up at the end and judge who this generation. 0.98

00:34:47.260 That's right. So you see outbreaks of just incredible repentance and salvation among all

00:34:53.440 these other nations, among the Samaritans, among the Ninevites, but like again and again and again

00:34:58.560 with Ruth, you know, some profound statements.

00:35:00.960 The Queen of Sheba comes up to Solomon to learn.

00:35:04.200 Nebuchadnezzar converts in the end. 0.85

00:35:06.680 The Babylonian king, he's brought low and humbled and converts. 0.90

00:35:11.180 And then there's Israel.

00:35:13.440 And Israel receives more revelation, more grace, more kindness, more prophets,

00:35:19.940 more signs, more wonders, more evidence than anyone else.

00:35:24.060 In the same way that God had to supernaturally harden the heart of Pharaoh

00:35:27.600 so that he could show his right hook, 10 plagues instead of just one. God also supernaturally,

00:35:34.580 I believe, hardened Israel's heart so that he could show just how gracious he is. Israel was

00:35:41.000 a supernaturally stupid people, a supernaturally stiff-necked, rebellious, hard-hearted, 1.00

00:35:48.380 unbelieving people. Egypt wouldn't have done what Israel did. Assyria wouldn't have done, 1.00

00:35:54.280 Like, only Israel. 0.98

00:35:55.840 Yeah. 0.87

00:35:56.240 Only Israel.

00:35:57.320 That's Paul's argument.

00:35:59.300 I mean, that's why he invokes Pharaoh in Romans 9. 0.84

00:36:03.240 He's making this argument because the question of that book is, right, well, the argument that Paul's making is, right, I am sending my grace to the Gentiles. 0.97

00:36:14.780 I'm hardening my people's hearts, right, so much so that they're going to kill Jesus to bring about the salvation of the world, right? 1.00

00:36:22.440 This is what happens.

00:36:23.380 So the question then is, was God being unjust by hardening their hearts?

00:36:28.760 Is God guilty of sin?

00:36:31.260 Is God doing something bad by doing this?

00:36:34.440 And Paul says, no.

00:36:35.500 Does the clay have the right to say to the maker, why have you made me this way?

00:36:41.960 That Paul is defending the justice of God with the example of Israel here. 0.60

00:36:51.000 And why Israel was so bad and so bad, why that particular generation was so bad that they killed Jesus and they rejected the Spirit, right? 0.78

00:37:02.020 Why is that happening? 0.79

00:37:02.960 Well, God has hardened their hearts.

00:37:05.080 And the hope at the end is that it's a partial hardening, right?

00:37:11.520 A temporary partial hardening.

00:37:12.860 That that hardening will come off and that many of the remnant will be grafted back in.

00:37:19.720 And they were.

00:37:20.280 That's his point.

00:37:20.760 Yeah.

00:37:21.000 And that happened in AD 70, and now it's done.

00:37:23.640 One verse, maybe you can help me on the reference.

00:37:26.040 I think it's 1 Thessalonians 2.15.

00:37:31.000 It might be 2 Thessalonians 2.15.

00:37:35.000 But it's, Paul is speaking about the Jews,

00:37:39.180 and he says, you know, that they killed the prophets

00:37:42.320 and Jesus and the apostles.

00:37:47.100 And then finally he says, and they oppose all mankind. 0.99

00:37:51.000 So these people, the Jews, are the enemies, Paul essentially says, the enemies of the world, 0.99

00:37:59.740 of every people on the planet. They are that hostile. And yet, here's the deal, 1.00

00:38:05.500 you and I, and this is where we have to be consistent, right? Because some of,

00:38:10.700 if you're not careful, and this is why the Bible matters, the Bible matters for every reason under

00:38:15.400 the sun, but this is one more reason why the Bible matters. Because what we hear sometimes

00:38:20.540 from guys who are, well, let's just say

00:38:24.760 that they don't have an Israeli flag

00:38:26.920 in their bio on Twitter.

00:38:28.680 They're not huge fans.

00:38:30.460 And neither are we, but for maybe different reasons.

00:38:34.060 But some of the guys who are anti-Israel,

00:38:36.700 I don't think they're necessarily anti-Semitic

00:38:38.520 because that has to mean something, right?

00:38:40.420 Anti-Semitic these days is like saying racist.

00:38:43.300 But it's an intentionally vague word

00:38:46.340 that you smear people with.

00:38:47.500 Right, people would say that you and I are anti-Semitic

00:38:49.460 and we would say, get lost.

00:38:51.960 So, no, you're wrong.

00:38:53.600 But for guys who are accused as being anti-Semitic,

00:38:56.300 some of them might actually be, some of them might not,

00:38:58.200 but this is one conflation, a misunderstanding that I've noticed.

00:39:02.760 They'll say, well, we don't like the Jews,

00:39:06.000 and they're talking about today, modern Jews today, 0.99

00:39:09.720 because they killed Jesus. 0.96

00:39:13.040 And what you and I would say,

00:39:14.220 and they would point to a verse like this.

00:39:17.300 Is it 1 Thessalonians?

00:39:18.480 Yes, 1 Thessalonians 2, you know, 13 to...

00:39:22.900 You want to read it just real quick?

00:39:24.260 I'll read it here.

00:39:25.160 Okay.

00:39:28.280 We'll start in verse 14.

00:39:29.440 For you brothers became imitators of the churches of God

00:39:31.660 in Christ Jesus that are in Judea.

00:39:34.100 For you suffered the same things from your own countrymen 0.95

00:39:36.400 as they did from the Jews 1.00

00:39:38.080 who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets 1.00

00:39:40.600 and drove us out and displeased God 0.97

00:39:42.920 and opposed all mankind 1.00

00:39:44.440 by hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles

00:39:47.500 so that they might be saved. 0.99

00:39:49.040 It says always to fill up the measure of their sins,

00:39:51.660 but wrath has come upon them at last.

00:39:54.720 Yes.

00:39:55.800 So there you have it.

00:39:56.800 You have the Holy Spirit inspired text 0.89

00:40:00.480 saying that the Jews have opposed all mankind. 0.99

00:40:03.940 They're the enemies of the world, the entire world. 1.00

00:40:06.620 And yet here's the point.

00:40:07.900 And it answers the question, like who killed Jesus?

00:40:09.900 Right.

00:40:10.180 Not Rome, not me. 0.71

00:40:11.720 I mean, yes, Rome, yes, me, but ultimately it's Israel.

00:40:15.760 Well, and with that, you know, sidebar with that, I, you know, I preached to my church recently.

00:40:21.100 I said, look, all these statements are biblically true. Who killed Jesus? You. Your sin is what 0.84

00:40:27.900 made it necessary that he should die. Who killed Jesus? The father. He was pleased to crush him 0.96

00:40:33.160 before the foundations of the world. Who killed Jesus? Well, Jesus said, no one takes my life,

00:40:37.600 but I lay it down freely. So Jesus killed Jesus. The father killed Jesus. You and your sin killed

00:40:41.940 Jesus. Who killed Jesus? Pilate, ultimately. He tried to wash his hands in innocence, but he made

00:40:47.240 the decision. He was up for re-election, wanted to please the Jews. So, Pilate killed Jesus. Who 0.89

00:40:51.720 killed Jesus? The Romans, who literally drove the nails through his hands and pierced his side. 0.97

00:40:56.480 The Romans killed Jesus. And then lastly, who killed Jesus? The Jews, who were crying out

00:41:00.660 and crucified. And so, my point is, I told my congregation, all of those statements are

00:41:04.960 biblically true. But only one of those statements is being threatened to become illegal. So, that's

00:41:10.900 the one I'll keep saying. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But on this point, yeah. My point on this is just

00:41:17.200 to say that some of guys who are anti-Israel, they would say, well, I don't like the Jews 0.88

00:41:24.500 because they killed Jesus. But what they're saying is, I don't like the Jews today, the modern state 0.81

00:41:28.960 of Israel. I don't like Ben Shapiro because- Ben Shapiro killed Jesus. Right, exactly. It's like, 0.93

00:41:34.060 No. And this is where we have to be consistent. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

00:41:40.440 So what we would say is that that generation of Israel, they did kill Jesus and they were judged 0.97

00:41:46.500 severely for it. And in the final, in the bottom of the ninth, many did actually repent and the 0.96

00:41:52.980 natural branches were grafted back in. And then the covenant, the old covenant is completely done

00:41:57.840 away with. And we don't have any real substantial genetic proof. I mean, you have a passing of a

00:42:03.860 couple hundred years before the Talmud even comes into play and all these different things.

00:42:07.820 I mean, Titus destroyed the temple, which also had all the birth records and documents and all

00:42:12.960 these kinds. God sovereignly saw fit to not only wrap up the covenant, but in his providence,

00:42:17.640 to wrap up any evidence of a genetic continuation of a covenantal continuation at any level. And so,

00:42:27.120 God is saying with finality, it's done. The only third temple there will ever be will be the church

00:42:32.200 of Jesus Christ that is built with living stones around the whole world, with Christ as the

00:42:37.040 cornerstone, the prophets and the apostles as the foundation, and you and I, New Testament

00:42:44.720 saints, living stones being joined together, and Christ is there in our midst. And so that's

00:42:50.220 what we believe. And so all that being said, my point is this idea of the Jews opposing all 0.99

00:42:55.040 mankind. I don't think that it's consistent to say, well, the Bible says so. So modern Jews

00:43:01.340 today. Or that. You can't say that. What you can say, you have to pick a lane and the lane that 1.00

00:43:07.160 we have picked for biblical reasons. So this, what I want the listener to understand is this

00:43:11.740 isn't just me and Isker noticing that we went down the rabbi hole, you know, on 4chan, you know, 0.65

00:43:18.360 and just got, you know, blackpilled on the Jews, you know, and, you know, and that's not what this 0.53

00:43:24.120 is. This is from biblical convictions. From biblical convictions, we have determined

00:43:31.020 from the scripture that this was always God's plan, that he has done with Israel according

00:43:36.080 to the flesh and has been for 19 and a half centuries. And so, all that being said, who

00:43:41.660 killed Jesus? Well, a group of people who no longer exist. Who opposed all mankind, enemies

00:43:48.180 of all mankind? A group of people that no longer exist. And yet, the final thing I'll

00:43:52.160 say is, and yet anyone today, whether they're descendants of Abraham or not, and we would lean

00:43:59.220 towards the not factor, but whether they're descendants of Abraham or not, anyone today who

00:44:04.740 is an unbeliever who rejects Christ, whether they be Islamic or whether they be Jews or Hindus or

00:44:11.500 Buddhists or atheists or agnostics or whatever it may be, anyone who rejects Christ today

00:44:16.220 and has a particular hostility towards the Christian faith and the work and person of Jesus 0.90

00:44:22.660 Christ does have the potential. It's not written in the stars that it always must be, but they do

00:44:29.800 have the potential in real human history in various times and to various degrees to be enemies

00:44:36.240 of all mankind, to be enemies of humanity, enemies of everything that's good in this world,

00:44:42.960 everything that's Christ-centered. And so, I would say that not all, but some modern Jews today, 1.00

00:44:49.480 insofar as they've been shaped by the worldview of Talmudic Judaism, which is uniquely hostile 0.87

00:44:55.220 towards Christ and embraced secularism, embraced perversion and certain things that are against 0.84

00:45:01.040 Christ and His way, then yes, I think there are some Jews today that have been particularly

00:45:09.000 hostile and at enmity with all mankind, but not because of the same people in 1 Thessalonians.

00:45:15.240 Yeah, I don't think they have a, I don't, yeah, and that's the thing. Like if you, if I'm saying,

00:45:20.080 we said this in the previous episode, that if those categories, those old covenant categories

00:45:26.180 of Jew and Gentile no longer exist, those are no longer operative thing, it's not a thing anymore,

00:45:33.340 than this, right? 0.99

00:45:37.260 This can't be people today, right?

00:45:39.360 You can't-

00:45:39.840 You have to pick a lane.

00:45:40.820 Yeah, I can't say that that doesn't exist,

00:45:43.100 but in some certain kind of sense,

00:45:46.260 they still do and they're still guilty, right?

00:45:48.720 No.

00:45:48.840 You have to either say these are actually

00:45:50.560 the direct descendants of Abraham 0.87

00:45:53.720 and there are still promises held out in their future.

00:45:58.200 And so therefore, if we're Christians and we love God

00:46:01.700 and we want to see his promises fulfilled, 1.00

00:46:03.340 we should do something in a tangible way to preserve their lineage so that they're not

00:46:10.500 wiped off the face of the map, whether that's giving billions of dollars or whatever, funding

00:46:14.240 the Iron Dome or this or that or the other. And also, they are particularly pernicious towards

00:46:20.740 the Christian worldview and they're enemies of all mankind. You either have to pick that lane 1.00

00:46:24.640 or you can say, no, we don't have to give billions of dollars. This is not the descendants of Abraham. 0.96

00:46:32.820 both genetically and covenantally this has been rolled up as a garment and done away with

00:46:37.720 the church is true israel so this is just a group of people they are a nation yeah a modern nation

00:46:43.880 but they are a nation just like brazil or china anyone else and so then how should we regard them

00:46:48.780 well if it makes sense politically because they have american interest and help us as an ally to

00:46:53.660 support them in in a mitigated responsible way then fine um if they're working towards our

00:46:59.160 detriment and we're helping them at the cost of our own citizens, then that's not fine.

00:47:05.340 And so, my point is you don't have to be, you don't have to take it to level 11 to still have 0.93

00:47:14.440 a coherent worldview, biblically grounded, and say, yeah, I don't think Israel is our greatest ally. 0.60

00:47:23.960 I think if you do take the futurist view of Romans 11, though, and you're saying that there still is this covenant, and you're saying this, right? 0.97

00:47:32.020 There still is this covenantal category.

00:47:34.140 There still is this distinct, you know, ethno-religious group, and that's the same people that are in the old covenant.

00:47:41.300 Then you read 1 Thessalonians and what it says here.

00:47:43.980 You're saying that that applies just as much to every Jewish person today. 0.71

00:47:49.600 That's the flip side of the coin. 1.00

00:47:50.800 You're absolutely right.

00:47:51.380 So, we're saying, all right, we need to be consistent.

00:47:53.660 Well, those who disagree and take a different stance, so do they.

00:47:56.260 Yeah, then they need to be able to say with a straight face, 100% boldness,

00:48:00.600 that if the Jews in Romans 11, he's talking the same people as today. 0.57

00:48:05.140 Are the same Jews currently living in Israel and also dispersed, many living in America. 0.85

00:48:09.880 Yeah, they're right here. 1.00

00:48:10.980 And they still haven't repented. 1.00

00:48:12.480 They're still Jews. 1.00

00:48:13.680 They still haven't embraced Christ. 1.00

00:48:14.380 Then you have to say they're enemies of all mankind.

00:48:16.300 They're enemies of all mankind.

00:48:17.340 I don't think that.

00:48:18.160 I don't think that.

00:48:18.880 We have actually, and that's the funny thing.

00:48:21.120 That's the irony here is we actually have.

00:48:23.140 I believe, the least anti-Semitic view. We actually have the more charitable view because

00:48:30.140 we're saying, hey, look, some of them have been particularly hostile towards Western civilization

00:48:34.940 in the Christian worldview. And it's an opposing religion that is going to naturally be hostile 0.96

00:48:40.200 to us, even if it's friendly at certain times. Like we have noticed. We have noticed. But it's 1.00

00:48:47.020 actually those who would disagree with us, they can't just say some. They have to say all of them.

00:48:51.300 All of them, by virtue of being the Jews, they are currently still underneath this partial hardening, and they are still, just the way the apostle described them in his day, that is still, at heart, who they are today. 1.00

00:49:03.860 They are the enemies of all mankind. 1.00

00:49:05.400 They are a threat to everything. 0.99

00:49:06.680 We should preserve them, send them billions of dollars, and also, they're the worst people on the planet.

00:49:11.460 Yeah, that's what should be said.

00:49:13.340 Yeah, it's not mine either.

00:49:14.120 But if you're consistent or if that's your futurist view, whether it's reformed futurism regarding Romans 11 or whether it's dispensational futurism, like you have to, you got to say that.

00:49:26.860 You need to be consistent.

00:49:27.620 You need to say one day they'll be saved and it'll be life from the dead.

00:49:30.880 Meanwhile, currently today, they are the worst people of all humanity.

00:49:35.100 Well, thanks for tuning in.

00:49:36.080 God bless you.

00:49:36.800 And we'll see you in the next episode.

The NXR Podcast - January 25, 2025

THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - Are Today's Jews ＂Opposing All Mankind＂？ (1 Thessalonians 2_13-16) w Andrew Isker - S04E03

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