The NXR Podcast - THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - Ghosts ｜ That’s Not Your Grandma, It’s A Demon! ｜ Episode 8 w @hauntedcosmos_

00:00:00.000 In a saga steeped in intrigue and ambition, Henry VIII orchestrated a seismic shift in

00:00:08.540 history to Wedd and Boleyn, reshaping the very fabric of religious authority to dissolve

00:00:14.480 his union with Catherine of Aragon.

00:00:18.180 His fervor was unmatched, driven not only by desire, but by an unyielding thirst for

00:00:25.180 a male heir.

00:00:26.020 With his dynastic aspiration unmet, Henry's gaze turned once more in search of project.

00:00:34.680 Yet, in a stunning twist of fate, Anne Boleyn's story took a harrowing turn.

00:00:40.900 Instead of a graceful exit akin to Catherine's, she met a fate wrought with treason and execution.

00:00:48.520 The echoes of Henry's reign in the tumult of Anne Boleyn's marriage still reverberate through the annals of time.

00:00:56.020 It's whispered that her spirit lingers among us.

00:00:59.700 One chilling account dating back to 1864 speaks of a vigilant guard

00:01:04.220 encountering the spectral figure of the former queen clad in ethereal white.

00:01:10.080 Startled, he lunged with his bayonet only to find his weapon passing through her ephemeral form.

00:01:16.660 But it's during the yuletide season, Anne's favorite time of year, that sightings peak.

00:01:22.400 She is said to wander the grounds revisiting cherished moments beneath the ancient oak

00:01:28.660 or strolling along the banks of Eden Lake where fleeting memories of joy and love once bloomed.

00:01:36.340 These spectral apparitions offer a glimpse into a past deep in passion and intrigue

00:01:44.080 where the boundaries between the living and the dead blur with haunting allure.

00:01:52.400 There you go.

00:01:55.780 That's a famous ghost story many people are aware of.

00:02:00.560 Is it a real ghost?

00:02:02.080 I mean, what are we talking about here?

00:02:03.820 Look, let's get ready.

00:02:05.360 The Haunted Cosmos guys are here.

00:02:07.280 We are the ghostbusters of Reformed Christendom.

00:02:09.560 That's for sure a ghost.

00:02:10.880 No, I mean, so we're going to talk about what actually is a ghost.

00:02:13.640 We're not going to sit here for 45 minutes and tell you guys there's no such thing as ghosts.

00:02:17.440 But we're going to talk about what is a ghost.

00:02:20.460 because the problem,

00:02:23.060 we're always going to be coming from a biblical perspective

00:02:25.560 because we want to talk about what's true

00:02:27.100 and we want to honor Christ.

00:02:29.320 And so we're not sitting here saying

00:02:31.220 there is no such thing as a ghost,

00:02:33.640 but they should be understood in proper categories.

00:02:36.960 And if you think that Anne Boleyn,

00:02:40.000 that it's actually her spirit 0.67

00:02:42.080 and that she was able to raise from Sheol

00:02:46.220 and just God giving her some license

00:02:48.840 and walking around cash, you know, around Christmas time each year.

00:02:51.920 And walking around. 0.99

00:02:52.680 You know, that she just gets to go and visit the park and feed the ducks, 0.98

00:02:56.080 you know, and that she doesn't have to remain.

00:02:58.100 I just don't know how to square that with scripture.

00:03:00.840 So in terms of it actually being, this is her, her spirit.

00:03:05.020 That is difficult.

00:03:07.260 But in terms of this is something and that it is spiritual,

00:03:10.800 that we can talk about.

00:03:11.800 I think it's probably, in this kind of topic,

00:03:15.160 what it's at least helpful for me,

00:03:16.840 I think would be to talk through each of the possibilities,

00:03:20.640 some of the theories.

00:03:22.000 And let's just look at them from a biblical perspective.

00:03:25.000 And see, one of the first ones that comes to mind for me, Joel,

00:03:28.320 and it might not be the same one for you, Ben, I don't know.

00:03:31.260 But you hear this a lot, a kind of stone tape theory,

00:03:34.720 which is a theory that,

00:03:37.340 we'll get to the disembodied spirit kind of theory.

00:03:40.680 It's Brian's favorite.

00:03:41.740 It's my favorite theory.

00:03:42.700 Favorite theory.

00:03:43.280 Because it's one of the theories that I've heard Christians try to hold to in a way to circumvent that problem that we'll talk about of the spirit of a human being wandering around outside of Sheol or outside of, you know, at this point, the spirits of saints going to be with the Lord, right?

00:04:04.320 So the stone tape theory is the idea that human beings impart a kind of psychic energy.

00:04:11.680 Again, I'm not endorsing any of this yet.

00:04:14.340 This is the theory.

00:04:15.520 You're just laying out the theory, and then later you'll say, 100% true.

00:04:19.500 It's 100% demons. 0.97

00:04:21.120 We always lay it, Hanukosmos, the joke is,

00:04:23.560 the Hanukosmos team has investigated the issue and determined it was demons.

00:04:27.600 Right.

00:04:28.000 But to be fair, because some people don't like that,

00:04:31.040 A lot of stuff is demons, but that's actually not fair.

00:04:34.580 Because I've listened to enough of you guys.

00:04:36.100 That's actually not-

00:04:36.700 We don't always say that.

00:04:37.620 Yeah, we don't always say that.

00:04:38.340 We also say fairies a lot.

00:04:39.880 Yeah, we say fairies too.

00:04:40.960 We're going to do a whole episode on fairies. 0.97

00:04:43.700 Because it could be demons, but it could be fairies. 1.00

00:04:47.380 It could be witches. 0.98

00:04:49.540 And getting into elemental spirits.

00:04:51.740 And what is that?

00:04:52.320 Is that actually-

00:04:53.160 Different classes of spiritual beings.

00:04:54.720 So stone tape theory is that human beings,

00:04:57.880 and in some iterations of the theory,

00:04:59.660 even animals, certain higher animals have psychic energy that they impart on the environment around

00:05:08.340 them. And so this gets into lots of other issues like mediumship, where mediums will claim to see

00:05:14.760 your aura, which is just your psychic energy emanating out of you, your immaterial self

00:05:20.500 and material self and blended together, emanating energy. And that when there are particularly

00:05:27.860 intense psychic energies that these can actually leave a residue on the environment so hence the

00:05:36.500 stone tape theory similar to how a vinyl record is made right you have you know scratches in a vinyl

00:05:42.560 first in a wax blank or in a softer material that this needle is imparting the sound waves

00:05:48.220 into the vinyl and then you put another you know reader in that groove and it can play it back

00:05:52.680 So under certain conditions, those will replay, you know, in a case like Anne Boleyn and then, you know, divorce, beheaded, died, divorce, beheaded, survived.

00:06:02.920 We've got a lot of death surrounding the royal family at this time.

00:06:08.120 Just in general, in old places, in Civil War battlefields, in places that saw a lot of death or grief or the loss of children or, you know, the czar and his family.

00:06:21.440 This is all over the place.

00:06:23.340 And this tends to be the kind of haunting, quote unquote,

00:06:27.060 that just replays the same kind of scene over and over.

00:06:30.640 You look up in a window on a certain night of the year

00:06:33.200 and you'll see the woman dressed in Victorian garb. 0.94

00:06:37.300 Right.

00:06:37.580 Or if you go out into the castle hallway at this time of night,

00:06:43.520 you just might see.

00:06:45.000 Right.

00:06:45.180 And so this theory attempts to get around the idea

00:06:48.800 that this is actually the soul of that person.

00:06:50.680 Gotcha.

00:06:51.260 And instead just says, this is the residue.

00:06:53.180 This is the replaying tape.

00:06:54.740 It's the world's memory.

00:06:56.780 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:57.740 Exactly.

00:06:58.300 It's less the person and their spirit,

00:07:00.060 which is somewhere else.

00:07:00.920 And it's more the world itself.

00:07:03.260 Yeah.

00:07:03.780 With that, I couldn't help but think, 0.99

00:07:05.820 and this is probably a stupid question, 1.00

00:07:07.320 which it's one of my giftings to ask stupid questions. 1.00

00:07:11.120 Hey, Joel, there's no such thing. 1.00

00:07:12.520 There's no such thing.

00:07:13.720 That's not true.

00:07:14.080 Unless we determine it was.

00:07:15.360 I've said that before,

00:07:16.060 and then I've read some YouTube comments.

00:07:17.880 Yeah. And you're like, unless you ask a stupid question, there's no such thing. 1.00

00:07:21.720 Right. Exactly. But this would be, I could see someone, not me, I'm going to do this. I could 1.00

00:07:26.660 see someone asking for a friend who would say, well, are certain places in certain parts of the

00:07:32.100 world perhaps more porous, right? That something is like more akin to a diamond. It's going to be

00:07:38.220 hard to scratch, but maybe particular places you could get a deeper groove. People do associate

00:07:44.960 geological uh characteristics of an area there are there are whole i mean the thing about the

00:07:52.700 ghost world is that because it's not truly it's almost none of it is truly empirical

00:07:57.660 it's not replicable you can't put it in a test tube right people can just come up with theories

00:08:02.920 that sound plausible so they might say things like well where you have more limestone in the

00:08:07.380 ground this is we see a highly correlative that's pretty much what i'm asking but but with that my

00:08:12.560 My point is, but if that was a factor

00:08:14.220 and however you word it,

00:08:15.140 the point is that it would be a couple of factors

00:08:18.260 and not just one.

00:08:19.020 It would be the nature of the event.

00:08:21.440 What happened?

00:08:21.960 Was it traumatic?

00:08:22.760 Was it treacherous?

00:08:23.640 Was it this?

00:08:24.220 Was it that?

00:08:24.520 Joyful.

00:08:24.940 But then not just what happened,

00:08:26.860 but also the place where it happened.

00:08:29.160 It happened in this particular place

00:08:30.920 where it happened in a lake and water has memory.

00:08:34.600 Yeah, absolutely.

00:08:35.660 Because traumatic things happen everywhere

00:08:37.720 and really good things also happen everywhere.

00:08:40.300 But I don't think the idea of a thin place

00:08:43.000 is outside the realm of possibility at all.

00:08:45.260 I think that there might be geographic areas

00:08:47.220 that lend themselves much more to whatever this is.

00:08:53.860 Yeah, whether it's stone tape or something else.

00:08:56.480 In the thin place, a lot of time,

00:08:58.380 people are actually in that kind of iteration of this theory,

00:09:02.240 which encompasses ghosts and a lot of other activity.

00:09:04.640 That is truly beyond a stone tape theory now

00:09:07.940 and into more of a, there are places where the realms cross over more thinly.

00:09:14.600 But so what about examples in scripture?

00:09:18.480 Bethel would be one, Mount Hermon would be one, Mount Zion would be one.

00:09:21.840 Yeah, this truly is the house of God.

00:09:23.260 Mount Sinai would be one.

00:09:24.980 These high places.

00:09:25.940 Yeah.

00:09:26.080 Do you think that that is a thin place or do you think that they're arbitrary?

00:09:30.540 Not arbitrary in the sense that God just picked randomly,

00:09:32.940 but arbitrary in our mind of the mechanics

00:09:38.540 of how these places work?

00:09:39.720 Or do you think that they, in their nature somehow,

00:09:42.260 lend themselves more to spiritual encounters?

00:09:44.520 So this is now crossing over

00:09:47.640 into other types of phenomena as well.

00:09:50.300 I do think that bringing some of these together,

00:09:53.400 stone tape type of psychic energy theory,

00:09:56.200 along with the place mattering,

00:09:58.500 I think that we can tend to too quickly

00:10:01.460 as modern Christians, not understand how much our thinking has been shaped by modernism and

00:10:06.620 materialism and too quickly, totally dismiss anything and be like, no, people are just,

00:10:13.120 there's no such thing as psychic energy. And I'm not saying that, you know, we should be going to

00:10:17.240 mediums or auras or things like that. I think there's a lot of deception. We'll get, we'll get

00:10:20.860 to it. Yeah, certainly in this episode. But I do think that once you start to understand

00:10:27.200 the way that God made the world and people,

00:10:31.080 you start to realize that, you know,

00:10:35.260 we don't know everything

00:10:37.320 and we are much more complex things than we understand.

00:10:41.700 You know, things like,

00:10:43.120 I often even consider the fact that placebo medicines

00:10:47.080 really do affect the health of a person.

00:10:51.060 People can have a real serious illness or condition

00:10:53.360 and they'll go on a trial of medication

00:10:55.980 and one group gets sugar pills

00:10:57.840 and one group gets the real thing.

00:10:59.380 And the sugar pill group,

00:11:00.880 some of them will genuinely,

00:11:02.640 because they believe that they're receiving a medication,

00:11:05.000 this new thing, you know,

00:11:06.640 they will improve.

00:11:08.680 Right.

00:11:09.440 Just by the mere thinking of that.

00:11:10.960 And we're not even saying that that's like,

00:11:12.200 oh, and so therefore-

00:11:13.460 Therefore psychic energy in.

00:11:14.840 Or we're not saying the power of positivity

00:11:16.680 or manifesting anything.

00:11:17.960 But there is something to be said.

00:11:19.740 Like if somebody is struggling with heartburn

00:11:22.200 and you give them a pill and they think it's real

00:11:24.840 and they're convinced that heartburn

00:11:26.300 will no longer be a problem.

00:11:28.020 And then they actually report

00:11:29.360 that heartburn has been less severe.

00:11:31.580 Well, that's not the power of positivity.

00:11:33.380 That could be a number of things.

00:11:34.340 One could be, well, one thing

00:11:35.500 that induces heartburn is stress.

00:11:37.300 And they have now a sense of security and peace

00:11:39.860 that they've been offered a solution.

00:11:41.580 So therefore they're less stressed.

00:11:42.780 So therefore they have less heartburn.

00:11:44.840 And none of that is necessarily magical.

00:11:46.940 It's cortisol.

00:11:47.780 And even the things like a lot of,

00:11:51.780 take grounding or earthing

00:11:53.360 where people are starting to get into studies

00:11:56.820 of like what happens when you attach your body

00:12:00.780 directly to the earth and there's an earth circuit.

00:12:03.820 We're electrical machines, our body.

00:12:05.900 Like walking barefoot.

00:12:07.320 Yeah, on the ground and negative ions from the earth.

00:12:10.380 You know, there's all this and it will,

00:12:12.100 there are studies that show that it seems

00:12:13.460 that this kind of thing reduces inflammation in the body

00:12:16.420 and a lot of other positive effects.

00:12:18.320 Where modernism, we've kind of reduced ourselves

00:12:20.720 to this hermetically sealed off from the world bag of flesh,

00:12:25.420 bag of atoms, and that it's silly to start thinking.

00:12:29.400 Just because a whole lot of the world of paganism

00:12:33.180 and esoterica and things,

00:12:35.020 they make radical grandiose claims and they're so woo-woo

00:12:38.480 that we sometimes can fall in the other ditch

00:12:42.020 and fail to realize we are wonderfully made.

00:12:45.840 We are these insanely fine-tuned electrical machines.

00:12:50.720 Electrical, magnetic, physical machines

00:12:53.060 that also happen to have a soul.

00:12:55.340 Magically made.

00:12:56.540 And the world is magic.

00:12:58.000 I mean, it really is magic.

00:12:59.960 That we came from dust is literal magic.

00:13:02.660 Ultimately, on the stone tape theory,

00:13:04.640 I reject it formally

00:13:06.400 as an explanation of what we call hauntings.

00:13:09.940 But with that, real quick,

00:13:11.460 because this question was burning in my head also,

00:13:13.600 in terms of attaching yourself to the earth

00:13:15.760 in certain places.

00:13:16.960 So then that got me just thinking,

00:13:18.480 and like tethering in terms of,

00:13:21.460 what about like one added element with this,

00:13:24.240 the stone tape, like Samson and his hair,

00:13:28.180 or what about like talismans?

00:13:29.580 Like a talisman?

00:13:30.500 Yeah.

00:13:31.340 Yeah, I don't like the idea of talismans

00:13:35.020 apart from a deus ex machina type idea

00:13:39.480 where the Lord has sovereignly said,

00:13:42.100 your strength is in your hair.

00:13:43.280 Yeah. 0.99

00:13:44.120 Just because, or the umim and the thumim.

00:13:47.520 Right, it's all, it's just man can't do that.

00:13:50.120 But God determines.

00:13:51.120 However, what's interesting,

00:13:52.740 this is actually really fascinating.

00:13:54.140 It goes back to something that you were saying

00:13:55.220 about a lot of the new age esoterica people

00:13:57.280 that seem to be noticing things in the world

00:14:01.280 that are actually there.

00:14:03.240 Like the fact that mandalas can help restructure

00:14:06.880 a glass of water.

00:14:08.880 Maybe.

00:14:09.920 Potentially. 0.98

00:14:10.680 Yeah, and Christians are prone to see that 1.00

00:14:13.960 and think that's witchcraft.

00:14:15.700 I cannot do that.

00:14:17.520 And that's not witchcraft.

00:14:19.280 That could just be noticing something in nature

00:14:21.260 that God's given us.

00:14:22.340 Bavin says this in Christianity and Science.

00:14:24.100 He says that man is connected to the world that he's in

00:14:27.880 with every fiber of his being.

00:14:30.300 And then later he says that everything that we see

00:14:32.940 in the world is pointing us towards something unseen.

00:14:37.480 Everything that you see is pointing you

00:14:39.800 towards something unseen.

00:14:41.420 And to think, to have the reaction of,

00:14:45.360 well, Christians can't do that 0.93

00:14:46.400 because the new ager discovered it is peak modernist cope because what you're effectively

00:14:52.880 saying is that we've discovered everything that there is to discover right that christians are

00:14:57.360 done and that's completely antithetical to the whole gospel christians are just getting started 0.52

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00:17:55.920 you know, as far as talismans go, where I was actually going with that is that the medievals

00:18:01.560 actually thought quite highly of charms and talismans. They would do this thing called a

00:18:06.980 witch cake, which sounds really bad. And it probably was foolish, but it probably also was 0.96

00:18:13.040 bad. But what they would do is if they felt that their crop yield was bewitched, not by someone 0.93

00:18:21.440 else, but just by nature. Or if they felt that they were sick and they were bewitched in their

00:18:27.280 sickness, or there was an unclean spirit in them or something like that, they would bake a witch 0.67

00:18:30.820 cake, which included the mixing of flour that was old with urine, which is really gross, and then

00:18:37.260 some honey and some other stuff. And they would feed it to their dog. And if the dog ate it and

00:18:42.500 kept it down, then it worked. And the curse would go away. If the dog spat it up, it didn't work.

00:18:47.980 and they actually weren't cursed.

00:18:49.240 It was just, they're just having a bad day.

00:18:52.040 But they did this all the time.

00:18:54.060 They did this with their crop yield.

00:18:57.460 They would sprinkle charms around their plants.

00:18:59.760 They would sing charms in the form of verse

00:19:02.660 over their bees to make them obey the beekeepers,

00:19:05.800 things like this.

00:19:06.500 And I'm not saying they were right to do that.

00:19:08.240 In fact, I don't think they were right to do that.

00:19:10.540 They were not.

00:19:10.960 But the point is, is that the reason they did that

00:19:14.840 is because there were other people doing that

00:19:17.060 that seemed, and it seemed to work. Right. And so they were trying to redeem the times that they

00:19:22.040 were in by saying, no, no, no, that's the Christians now. That's the, again, I don't 0.99

00:19:26.500 think they were right to do that, but you, you can't have so much arrogance that you look back

00:19:31.240 at those people who were trying to make the best of the times that God placed them in and say,

00:19:36.280 they were basically pagans. They didn't actually believe in the gospel because they tried to do

00:19:41.340 that. That's so foolish of you. They would probably think the same about you if given 1.00

00:19:45.940 the opportunity because you watch Netflix and you watch pornography on Game of Thrones.

00:19:49.140 Our errors aren't their errors. So they would be able to see errors of ours that I do think we can

00:19:54.500 look. The fundamental talismans is a great point actually about this and the witch cakes and things

00:19:59.280 like that, that human beings are tremendously prone to deception and superstitious deception

00:20:06.440 is one of the greatest ways to trick a person. So a lot of what I think is fundamentally operative

00:20:14.900 when you're looking at things like talismans

00:20:16.720 and hauntings that are, you know,

00:20:18.400 hauntings or poltergeist activity

00:20:19.900 or things that are related to an object.

00:20:23.600 There's the classic story of my brother

00:20:26.200 returned from a tour in the Middle East

00:20:28.100 and he brought home this, you know, jewelry box.

00:20:31.280 And when he, all of a sudden he got sick every time

00:20:34.760 and there was darkness and depression.

00:20:36.400 And then he realized that he needed to get rid of the box.

00:20:39.520 And he threw it away.

00:20:40.880 So when he returned home, it was sitting on his bed.

00:20:43.680 Exactly.

00:20:44.120 I don't think that that necessarily isn't true,

00:20:47.860 but I think what is happening is important.

00:20:50.620 And it's the reality that unclean spirits

00:20:53.800 are ancient, malevolent, highly intelligent,

00:20:57.640 and know how to trick people. 1.00

00:20:59.340 And there are many of them in the Middle East. 1.00

00:21:00.000 So they will make your superstitions come true. 1.00

00:21:02.840 Right.

00:21:03.280 They will. 1.00

00:21:04.100 So they might make the witch cake work.

00:21:07.140 They might make the object seem haunted.

00:21:09.840 Right.

00:21:10.300 This is the thing that,

00:21:11.560 this is why we come back to demons so often.

00:21:13.600 is because demons are a Swiss army knife

00:21:17.180 in the sense that they're an intelligence.

00:21:20.060 They can show you what you want

00:21:22.740 and they can make your idea prove out.

00:21:27.600 And real quick, just a little demonology

00:21:29.580 because we talked about this in other episodes,

00:21:32.020 but in case the order of the episodes comes out differently

00:21:35.000 and they haven't heard that yet.

00:21:36.700 I like what you said, they're ancient.

00:21:39.020 And part of what that includes is that they're skilled,

00:21:43.040 They're knowledgeable.

00:21:44.180 They're a formidable opponent. 1.00

00:21:46.140 Sometimes Christians can be naive and arrogant 1.00

00:21:48.920 and thinking, you know, I'm going to go. 1.00

00:21:51.260 And, you know, like, I mean, especially, you know,

00:21:53.200 I came from the charismatic world and there were some,

00:21:55.460 this doesn't, you know, characterize everybody,

00:21:57.080 but there were some, you know, cases of people

00:21:58.980 literally doing, you know, like a seven-day fast

00:22:01.860 and locking themselves, you know, collectively,

00:22:04.280 a group of people in a building or a room.

00:22:08.460 And then we're going to pray

00:22:09.240 and we're going to ask for the demonic spirits

00:22:11.960 over this region to reveal themselves

00:22:14.100 and tell us their names so that we can cast them out.

00:22:18.180 And that reminds me of a little story,

00:22:20.340 you know, the seven sons of Sceva, 0.98

00:22:22.180 where they get their butts kicked. 0.98

00:22:24.300 They do essentially the same thing. 1.00

00:22:25.660 We're gonna go and beat up the demons

00:22:27.360 because Jesus did it and Paul did it.

00:22:29.680 And so we're gonna do it too.

00:22:31.180 And they go to beat up the demons

00:22:32.500 except in this scenario, it's seven V one,

00:22:35.620 you know, and the result is that the seven,

00:22:38.940 and I'll just, you know, for the listener,

00:22:40.220 you can use your imagination,

00:22:41.180 but the Bible says that they leave naked and bleeding,

00:22:45.300 which however that plays out just doesn't sound-

00:22:47.640 Nothing plays out.

00:22:48.320 When I think of combinations that I do not want to experience-

00:22:51.160 Naked and bleeding.

00:22:51.860 Naked and bleeding.

00:22:52.580 That's not a good combo.

00:22:55.060 Joel, remind me when we get to our witches episode,

00:22:57.120 I'm just going to tease it right now, guys.

00:22:59.440 Remind me to talk about Jeremy Wade and the fishing show-

00:23:03.180 River Monsters.

00:23:04.460 River Monsters with the witch episode.

00:23:06.660 One of the best shows. 0.97

00:23:07.020 Because there's a rabbit trail I want to go down now,

00:23:09.020 but it's a witch episode, rabbit trail.

00:23:10.900 incredible self-control but getting getting back okay getting back to our that's impressive

00:23:16.260 to our ghosts okay we've got stone tape i don't think stone tape is necessarily true in fact i

00:23:22.440 don't think it is however i do think that the spiritual realm will attempt via superstition

00:23:28.280 to deceive and show you what you want so i think you will see the possibility of stone tape type

00:23:32.940 hauntings yeah at exact places where human beings would expect them as a way of deceiving people so

00:23:38.560 So from the perspective of man, for all intents and purposes, you can say stone tape theory might

00:23:45.700 be possible. The problem is that it's not technically by definition of stone tape theory

00:23:50.480 as it's known. It's that the demons are manipulating your superstitions.

00:23:53.740 Right. Now I have two primary theories behind all hauntings to account for the ones that are

00:24:01.540 the vast majority, which are very negative experiences. And also some of the ones that

00:24:06.580 I've heard from patrons of the show that I'm like, I have no way of conceptualizing why that

00:24:12.620 would happen because it seems overwhelmingly positive. And for the show, just for the listener,

00:24:17.100 check out this series. It's coming out. If you want to binge and get every single episode,

00:24:22.320 become a patron supporter and you can actually have access ad free and watch every episode,

00:24:27.020 but also go on over, watch us, but also watch Haunted Cosmos. And so go on YouTube,

00:24:33.900 subscribe haunted cosmos they already have dozens of episodes available and if you join their

00:24:39.660 patreon you can get like like 40 50 more episodes yeah i think 70 yeah a second show called the

00:24:46.620 dusty tone yeah so so if you like this you need to also check them out we did i think it was close

00:24:51.640 to a two-hour episode on on hauntings as well and we went through all the different types of

00:24:56.820 hauntings the residual the the uh the crisis separation yeah the crisis separation haunted

00:25:01.900 house. The concept of a ghost as the disembodied spirit of a loved one or of a person in general.

00:25:07.480 So I have two right now working ideas that I've been tossing around on how I would conceptualize

00:25:14.460 of these things. And the first is really basic. And it's that the disembodied spirits of the

00:25:19.360 Nephilim are oftentimes characterized through mythology as tricksters. And a trickster varies

00:25:26.980 and degrees of malice.

00:25:28.680 Sometimes it's just like a bell witch type thing.

00:25:32.060 You can go listen to our show

00:25:32.960 and hear about the bell witch,

00:25:34.400 which actually is not a witch.

00:25:35.900 It's a haunting.

00:25:36.480 It's like a poltergeist type haunting.

00:25:37.580 So it's kind of a confusing title there,

00:25:39.260 but a poltergeist type phenomenon

00:25:41.360 where stuff's moved around in the house

00:25:43.640 and maybe it never gets worse than that.

00:25:45.200 It's like Winston, right?

00:25:46.920 It's a prank.

00:25:47.360 It's too small or it's too big.

00:25:48.940 It's like, I rearranged your cups.

00:25:51.820 I took the salt out of your salt shaker

00:25:54.280 and the pepper out of your pepper

00:25:55.700 and switched them.

00:25:56.740 so that when you went to salt your fries,

00:25:58.860 you peppered them.

00:25:59.640 Oh my goodness.

00:26:00.960 But then on the flip side,

00:26:02.660 it might be the prank is that I dropped an anvil

00:26:05.520 on your head while you were sleeping.

00:26:06.620 Right, yeah.

00:26:07.600 Oh, the prank is that blood's pouring out of your walls. 0.98

00:26:11.500 And I poisoned you and you died. 0.79

00:26:12.960 And your son is stuck in a cave. 0.99

00:26:14.980 Yeah, so varying degrees of malice.

00:26:17.600 Too small, too big.

00:26:18.120 Right, they never really get right in the middle

00:26:19.660 where it's actually funny.

00:26:20.860 But that seems to be characteristic

00:26:23.340 of a trickster type entity

00:26:24.760 through all mythology and history

00:26:26.180 is that maybe it's trial and error, 0.97

00:26:29.080 although that sounds dumb 0.98

00:26:30.400 because of their ancient nature. 0.96

00:26:32.980 But I like to think of a demonic entity, 0.56

00:26:36.860 especially as the disembodied spirit of a Nephilim,

00:26:40.300 as a Gandalf-type character, but bad.

00:26:43.340 Where they came to the world long ago,

00:26:45.420 they've lived 300 lives of men.

00:26:47.940 300 lives of men I've walked this earth.

00:26:49.720 And now I have no time.

00:26:51.380 But they had to actually learn.

00:26:54.980 They're not omniscient.

00:26:56.180 Right. But they do know a lot. Or omnipresent. And they're definitely not. They can't read your

00:27:01.020 mind. But they do know a lot. They can travel to different places, maybe. I don't know. But anyway,

00:27:05.580 so that's how I explain a lot of the normal hauntings that are bad is, well, it's the

00:27:10.540 disembodied spirit of the Nephilim. They're tricking the person. The trick has varying

00:27:14.640 degrees of malice and effectiveness. And real quick, in terms of omniscience,

00:27:19.160 they are not omniscient. God alone bears these kinds of incommunicable attributes of omniscience,

00:27:24.240 omnipresence um but that again is not to downplay the situation so imagine they're very like think

00:27:31.420 of a tv show um that's like like think of like a sherlock holmes you know like um he can't read

00:27:37.780 your mind he's just a man but he can pick up on every little cute yeah imagine the best negotiator

00:27:44.180 the best uh fbi you know have you heard of mentalism wicked you know right so you can't

00:27:49.040 find one or even think about an elrond or gandalf type right and then take that guy though and say

00:27:53.240 he's been a professional detective with a high IQ

00:27:56.660 and he's been doing it for 6,000 years.

00:27:58.640 If you can teach people this, cold reading,

00:28:01.120 a lot of charlatans use cold reading.

00:28:03.560 They look at your reactions, mentalism,

00:28:06.620 even just the idea though that some of the,

00:28:09.160 again, if you're tricking someone and you're really smart

00:28:11.500 and you've lived 300 lives of men,

00:28:13.380 then you are going to be able to also present 0.95

00:28:17.060 the weakness of look how silly I am. 0.87

00:28:20.320 Look how wrong I was.

00:28:21.740 Another point though, that's important on this point

00:28:23.820 is that we have biblical data for this.

00:28:25.740 In the form, especially of the prophet,

00:28:30.320 the foreteller, the fortune teller in the book of Acts,

00:28:33.220 where this young lady has a spirit in her

00:28:36.640 that is allowing her to do divination

00:28:39.240 and foretelling the future.

00:28:41.400 And she's walking around, Paul gets so annoyed

00:28:43.440 that he ends up casting the demon out.

00:28:45.280 And we know that it was a real ability,

00:28:47.460 not only because the scriptures just presented as that,

00:28:49.980 but also because now her owners,

00:28:52.880 her masters lose a bunch of income.

00:28:54.480 Yeah.

00:28:54.740 Because it was profitable.

00:28:55.720 Right, because if it was just a trick 0.83

00:28:56.980 that the slave girl herself was performing,

00:28:59.640 then she could just- 0.88

00:29:01.300 She would just be able to keep doing it.

00:29:02.480 Right, Paul casts out a demon,

00:29:03.880 but there is no demon. 0.95

00:29:04.700 She just keeps up the grift.

00:29:07.040 But we see this-

00:29:07.620 But she can't.

00:29:08.440 There actually is supernatural aid

00:29:10.060 and now it's gone.

00:29:10.960 And we see this in other accounts.

00:29:12.980 The Bell Witch is another example

00:29:14.140 where the entity will seem to know things

00:29:16.880 that are happening far away.

00:29:18.440 and in this time before telegraph and telephone and texting and email that was a big deal insane

00:29:25.920 thing if they could know you'd have to literally write a letter and ask someone what was happening

00:29:30.400 at this time in this place 40 miles away and they'd be like lo and behold the the entity knew

00:29:36.320 and was correct and not because so just like the omniscience not omniscient can't read your

00:29:41.180 thoughts no but incredibly but we don't know how long it takes a demon to pick up 40 miles exactly

00:29:46.200 And so then with omnipresence,

00:29:47.960 they're not omni,

00:29:48.580 God alone is omnipresent,

00:29:50.460 but demonic spirits,

00:29:52.300 they are spirit.

00:29:53.420 And so you think like,

00:29:54.260 oh, well, it's just,

00:29:55.140 it's everywhere.

00:29:55.760 No, no.

00:29:56.480 The spirit still has a geographic locale.

00:29:59.340 Yeah.

00:30:00.060 But could it travel in 60 seconds,

00:30:03.960 40 miles away,

00:30:04.740 and then right back?

00:30:05.600 Or have a messenger.

00:30:06.760 Maybe there's portals.

00:30:07.640 Work together with a network of...

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00:31:54.100 ministries go and check them out today and now back to our program yeah you were going to say

00:32:00.180 though, your second theory. Let's hear your second. This is one that I hold. I don't even

00:32:04.920 hold it. It's so loose. I'm so nervous. Okay. No, you've heard it. No, you've heard it actually.

00:32:09.500 I don't really like it, but I'm just trying to conceptualize a way in which you actually could

00:32:15.040 have what you think to be a ghastly encounter that's positive. So that sounds bad. That sounds

00:32:22.160 like it's not allowed, but let's give it a shot. So there are two primary views of the creation of

00:32:26.760 the soul. There's creationism and traducionism. Creationism says that at every conception of a

00:32:33.580 human being, when conception is achieved, a soul is made. It's uniquely made by God right there.

00:32:40.020 The other view, traducionism, says that the soul is generated as a part of conception,

00:32:47.720 that you actually receive your soul from normal generation from your parents.

00:32:50.860 God doesn't have to do anything.

00:32:52.660 There's not a uniquely new creation,

00:32:55.440 but you don't necessarily inherit the soul,

00:32:59.480 but it's more akin to that idea.

00:33:02.640 And the explanation-

00:33:04.140 So one basically just saying,

00:33:05.220 the timing is still the same,

00:33:06.900 but one, the soul comes from the parents,

00:33:08.440 the other, it comes from God.

00:33:09.360 Yes, exactly.

00:33:10.220 And the explanation that's been given

00:33:12.720 in defense of Traducianism,

00:33:14.560 which was a view held by Martin Luther,

00:33:17.260 Augustine Waffled, Calvin Waffled,

00:33:19.160 they both kind of landed on creationism later in life,

00:33:22.100 but they also didn't think about it all that much

00:33:24.160 because you shouldn't.

00:33:25.300 We don't have a lot of information.

00:33:26.620 It's a gray area.

00:33:27.400 And the Bible seems to speak in both ways at different times.

00:33:29.720 But one of the defenses that's been given for traditionism

00:33:32.860 is a scenario like this.

00:33:34.880 So you're at a family party, you're an old man

00:33:38.080 and you have your grandkids sitting there in front of you

00:33:40.260 and your grandkid walks just like your brother,

00:33:46.600 but they never met.

00:33:49.160 But I mean, the same gate, the same exact way of sitting in a chair, they have the same mannerisms,

00:33:55.620 but they never met. Traducianism would say, well, maybe one way to explain that

00:34:00.920 is that the soul was generated from the parents. And so they inherited a sort of like a piece

00:34:07.020 of their great uncle's mannerisms in a way. That's kind of the defense. So my idea is,

00:34:14.320 what if, this is going to sound crazy really now, but what if when you have a uniquely positive

00:34:21.320 experience that you can't explain other than, well, I saw the ghost of my grandfather. What

00:34:26.520 if it's not the ghost of your grandfather? What if it's just some sort of memory that you have

00:34:31.180 that's been passed down through your lineage that you're now getting to share in that's sweet,

00:34:36.000 that's good, that's something positive? What if it's some sort of soul type memory

00:34:44.100 or something like that.

00:34:46.040 Traducionism would allow for that category.

00:34:48.240 How does the mechanics of this work though?

00:34:50.080 Because we're talking about apparitions.

00:34:52.080 I see my grandfather.

00:34:53.480 Are you saying there's some sort of soul vision

00:34:56.880 that it wasn't really there,

00:34:58.080 but it was kind of like an inherited memory?

00:35:00.360 I'm not talking so much necessarily about seeing.

00:35:03.860 Although that I think that could be possible

00:35:05.700 is your mind has this memory.

00:35:07.780 Your soul and body are intimately connected

00:35:09.420 at every point.

00:35:10.680 That you think you see it.

00:35:11.620 Right.

00:35:11.860 If you pull on the thread of the body,

00:35:13.620 you're pulling on the thread of the soul as well. They're a tapestry that's woven together.

00:35:17.460 And so maybe your mind is remembering something that your soul carries with it. I don't know.

00:35:23.480 Like I said, I don't even hold this. It's just an attempt. But another one that I think is helpful,

00:35:29.880 and this is actually a real story, is someone wrote to me and they were saying that their father

00:35:35.460 used to always wake them up when they were little kids, like babies and toddlers,

00:35:40.820 by squeezing their toes.

00:35:42.760 They squeezed their toes

00:35:43.880 and that's how they woke them up.

00:35:45.020 I heard this one.

00:35:45.860 And the father passed away.

00:35:48.560 And this is sort of a Christ separation thing too.

00:35:51.060 And the day that the father passed away,

00:35:54.300 the daughter woke up

00:35:56.500 feeling like someone was pinching her toes.

00:35:58.480 Right.

00:35:59.160 In the same way that the father used to do.

00:36:01.020 And she woke up

00:36:01.600 and it was this really sweet memory actually.

00:36:03.680 She was like, oh wow.

00:36:04.720 It wasn't a horror.

00:36:06.000 It wasn't a horror thing.

00:36:07.060 And so at the funeral service,

00:36:08.520 she finds her brother

00:36:09.400 and says, like, you'll never believe this,

00:36:11.680 but the weirdest thing, like my foot fell asleep

00:36:13.700 and it felt just like, and he was like,

00:36:16.120 no, I had the same thing.

00:36:17.480 The same morning that the father passed away,

00:36:19.500 they didn't know that he was gone.

00:36:20.900 And there was some sort of,

00:36:22.800 and so it just makes you wonder.

00:36:24.760 It makes you sit back and think, I don't know.

00:36:27.380 Yes, there could be trickery there 1.00

00:36:28.820 where they were already Christians, first of all, 1.00

00:36:32.060 but there could be trickery there

00:36:33.220 where they're trying to make them think

00:36:34.360 that death isn't what it seems.

00:36:35.960 And actually the Bible's not right.

00:36:37.820 And the soul lingers 0.63

00:36:38.680 and it doesn't just go away immediately.

00:36:40.920 But it could also be like, what if it was just a gift?

00:36:43.400 What if it was a divine grace

00:36:44.560 that they had this sweet memory of their father

00:36:46.840 and it actually played out for them

00:36:49.760 and physically manifested?

00:36:51.540 Yeah, I feel like, I think that's fair.

00:36:53.180 I think there's multiple scenarios

00:36:54.560 and I'll say them super quick,

00:36:55.540 but one is it could be the trickster thing 0.54

00:36:57.880 that even though they are Christians,

00:36:59.660 it could still be a demonic spirit trying to trick them,

00:37:02.980 giving them a bad theology that the soul lingers

00:37:05.940 because the Bible says to be absent in the body.

00:37:08.220 There's not a hangover.

00:37:10.320 That's where I get, it is not the soul of their dad.

00:37:13.040 I get the most trepidation 1.00

00:37:14.220 because I've heard stories like this from Christians. 1.00

00:37:16.680 I've heard far more of them from non-Christians 0.98

00:37:18.840 to whom it has given false comfort

00:37:20.920 that death is not an enemy.

00:37:23.080 Look, my buddy, he showed up to the barbershop afterward

00:37:27.620 and look, I knew he was already dead at that point.

00:37:31.560 And so to me, it's very, very dangerous

00:37:35.160 to entertain the idea of post-death appearances

00:37:40.600 of family members, even as a comfort,

00:37:43.060 because of how often that has been used.

00:37:46.300 I can't emphasize enough.

00:37:47.700 I don't think that it's an enemy.

00:37:48.460 Yeah, no, no, no, we hear, we hear.

00:37:49.900 I don't think it's any of that.

00:37:50.840 We hear, but what I was gonna say is,

00:37:52.260 so one, I think I would lean pretty heavy

00:37:54.120 on the trickery scenario because you're right.

00:37:58.120 And I like what you said, death as an enemy.

00:38:00.220 A lot of times, well-meaning people,

00:38:02.160 spiritual people, and even Christian,

00:38:03.520 evangelical people, you know, this isn't, you know, we're not mourning a funeral. This is a

00:38:07.860 celebration of life. And they'll even use phrases like death is a door. And that really actually,

00:38:13.800 when you stop and think about it, death becomes a savior. That this life, this world, this body,

00:38:19.700 this flesh, that that's the enemy. And yes, my body is subject to decay, right? There's sickness

00:38:25.020 and disease. And within the members of my being, my flesh, Romans chapter seven, I find this law

00:38:30.380 at work, when I want to do good, evil is right there. So there's a sense of battling against

00:38:34.900 the flesh and it's sinful propensity. So not only it's physical limitations and weakness and subject

00:38:40.180 to decay, but also it's sinful desires. And then this world is absolutely fallen and these kinds

00:38:45.560 of things. And I think certain creatures, Jonathan Edwards would say this, I think you guys agree.

00:38:49.040 Some creatures are more fallen than others. Yeah, I totally agree. Particularly evil and

00:38:53.420 Yeah, golden labs are not as fallen as great white sharks.

00:38:57.560 As pit bulls.

00:38:58.580 That's right.

00:38:59.060 Great point. 0.73

00:38:59.820 Pit bulls? 0.99

00:39:00.620 Pit bulls are horrible. 1.00

00:39:01.820 I think should be eradicated. 1.00

00:39:02.480 And I think arguably also dragons, which are real.

00:39:06.840 And you don't have to necessarily say that every dragon,

00:39:09.960 although perhaps some,

00:39:11.100 but you don't have to say every dragon

00:39:12.680 is actually the form of a fallen angel like Lucifer.

00:39:16.900 You could also say, no, some dragons are animals,

00:39:19.300 but in the fall, that particular animal, a dragon,

00:39:23.420 he's particularly cursed.

00:39:25.180 He becomes particularly wicked, 0.51

00:39:26.260 like a great white shark.

00:39:27.280 And I would say far, far worse.

00:39:29.260 And so, but all that being said,

00:39:30.500 and I think dragons may still exist today.

00:39:32.180 So we can talk about that.

00:39:32.780 Let's be honest.

00:39:33.920 I put that at like a 95%-er.

00:39:36.480 Oh yeah, almost for sure.

00:39:37.940 Right up there.

00:39:38.720 The gospel of Jesus Christ

00:39:39.740 stayed by grace alone, 0.60

00:39:40.500 through faith alone and Christ alone.

00:39:41.480 That's a hundred percent.

00:39:42.760 Dragons, we're going to put it at a solid 93, 94.

00:39:45.160 I mean, wow.

00:39:47.480 It's a close second.

00:39:49.260 But then what's really important is,

00:39:51.540 but in between there.

00:39:52.720 primary water primary water that's a 98 99 and we're not joking that is like primary water is

00:39:59.200 a thing it's we can't help but laugh let's let's be let's be clear we're talking about certainty

00:40:02.800 not important right right not important but no one clips this out they're like yeah joel webbin

00:40:09.180 believes that primary water is almost as important as the gospel of jesus not importance but certainty

00:40:15.260 like i'm certain that my wife's name is megan the same certainty yeah of salvation by grace

00:40:20.040 but one is more important than the other.

00:40:21.940 One is of much greater.

00:40:23.940 For the record, this is the gospel one.

00:40:25.400 Anyway.

00:40:26.200 So all that means that, here's the deal.

00:40:27.740 So it could be trickery, absolutely,

00:40:29.920 to get people not to be afraid of death

00:40:31.480 because here's the thing, in God's mercy,

00:40:34.320 the judgment of death.

00:40:35.480 So one, death is not a door.

00:40:36.660 Death is not your friend.

00:40:37.680 Death is not the savior.

00:40:38.900 That's what I was getting at.

00:40:39.680 The body being sinful

00:40:40.600 and the body subject to physical decay and weakness. 1.00

00:40:43.940 People, Christians will even pick up on this language 0.93

00:40:46.020 that the body and the physical world, 1.00

00:40:48.760 That's the enemy and death is the savior.

00:40:51.080 Death becomes the savior. 0.91

00:40:52.420 Save me death from this.

00:40:53.900 And that's what cult leaders pick up on.

00:40:55.720 People forget that like we were not made.

00:40:56.760 Drink the Kool-Aid and be done with this sad.

00:40:58.940 We were made to be disembodied.

00:41:00.120 We weren't made to leave the world.

00:41:01.780 No, we were made to stay here for forever.

00:41:03.440 And none of this is contrary

00:41:04.620 to the very real doctrine of Romans 8,

00:41:07.480 that death is an enemy that God has enslaved

00:41:10.680 to serve his people's good.

00:41:12.220 Exactly, and that's my point.

00:41:13.520 So one, it's an enemy.

00:41:15.480 It will be defeated.

00:41:16.520 It'll be the last of Jesus' enemies to be defeated

00:41:19.000 upon his final physical return.

00:41:20.840 Also, Jesus, when he's weeping, right?

00:41:23.220 That Jesus wept at the graveside of Lazarus,

00:41:26.920 shortest verse in the New Testament.

00:41:29.360 If you, it also doesn't just say he wept.

00:41:31.540 So there is a grief for his friend

00:41:33.020 and these kinds of things.

00:41:34.340 Jesus is sympathetic to loved ones dying.

00:41:37.320 But there's more than just that.

00:41:38.440 There's also in the same text where it says

00:41:40.180 that he was greatly troubled in spirit.

00:41:42.020 And if you look into what that, he was angry.

00:41:44.540 And I think there's a few reasons why.

00:41:46.020 One, he's angry at the unbelief of all the people there

00:41:48.680 because he's the resurrection and the life.

00:41:50.740 And they're all grieving,

00:41:51.960 not just grieving the loss of a friend,

00:41:53.880 but they're grieving as though the resurrection power

00:41:56.720 to raise Lazarus from the dead is not present.

00:41:58.820 And it is.

00:41:59.340 It's literally present.

00:42:00.440 Right there, standing right next to you.

00:42:02.340 So you're grieving with despair, unbelief, belief, belief.

00:42:07.880 So I think he's angry at their unbelief,

00:42:09.540 but also I think he's angry at his old enemy.

00:42:13.140 At death. 0.98

00:42:13.840 That he one day will give the death blow to death 0.94

00:42:17.420 and lay death in its grave, but has not yet done that. 0.70

00:42:20.180 Yeah, he's a jealous God.

00:42:21.580 And so I think he's looking at death and say, 0.99

00:42:24.000 I know you, you brute, you viper. 0.98

00:42:25.720 You should fear God. 0.96

00:42:28.240 Like one of the most ancient hymns of the faith

00:42:31.040 includes the line that Christ trampled down death by death.

00:42:35.660 Amen.

00:42:36.220 He hated it.

00:42:37.080 He hates it.

00:42:37.920 And so all that being said,

00:42:38.860 any experience that would cause you to think death is less of an enemy and less formative,

00:42:47.120 because all that, so one, we've established death is an enemy of Christ. But secondly,

00:42:51.940 death is not the door, not your friend, not the savior, but death is, although an enemy,

00:42:58.580 in God's divine and manifold providence, death, although God's enemy, it is also God's tool.

00:43:07.200 and one of the premier tools that drives mortal creatures towards a need for a savior.

00:43:14.660 If it weren't for my awareness, right?

00:43:16.840 Other animals don't have a cognitive awareness of their mortality, but we do.

00:43:24.740 Memento mori, right?

00:43:25.840 Like a skull on the desk.

00:43:27.160 I'm writing, I'm working, I'm doing these things, but I'm constantly reminded.

00:43:30.360 And there's even, there's a degree of that that's morbid and unhelpful,

00:43:34.200 but there's a degree of that that is very helpful.

00:43:37.580 That it's, death is this constant awareness

00:43:39.900 that is driving me towards,

00:43:41.620 I mean, there are multiple days

00:43:42.820 that I will spend time in prayer

00:43:44.280 because one of the things that gets me there

00:43:46.340 is love for Christ, you betcha.

00:43:48.340 The power of the spirit, you betcha.

00:43:50.260 But also just the reminder that my life is a vapor.

00:43:54.840 One day I'm gonna be lowered down six feet under dirt

00:43:58.220 and I'm going to have to stand before the living God

00:44:01.220 who will lay every thought bare.

00:44:02.740 I can't escape death.

00:44:04.760 And because I can't escape death tomorrow,

00:44:06.960 I better run to Christ today.

00:44:09.100 So anything that makes death seem trivial or trite

00:44:12.320 or happy or light actually takes away

00:44:15.800 one of the big incentives and driving forces

00:44:18.720 to push people towards the gospel.

00:44:20.560 And that is something that a malevolent spirit does.

00:44:23.980 Absolutely.

00:44:24.440 And they do it by putting on a face of softness

00:44:29.160 and light and kindness.

00:44:30.860 That's a big thing with the crisis apparition.

00:44:33.680 Exactly.

00:44:34.340 Is that it makes non-believers feel like they should be comforted.

00:44:38.280 Yeah.

00:44:38.560 In worst cases, you know, we heard one about a guy who committed suicide

00:44:42.160 and his apparition appeared to his friend.

00:44:44.580 And he was so happy.

00:44:47.160 He was so happy to her.

00:44:48.560 He was like, yeah, I just feel great.

00:44:50.260 Like, I love you so much.

00:44:51.060 This is the barbershop one?

00:44:52.120 Yes. 0.79

00:44:52.560 And so this woman is like, wow, I'm glad he murdered himself. 1.00

00:44:58.160 Oh, I'm so glad about that. 1.00

00:44:59.880 Yeah, I'm so happy.

00:45:00.380 Because he's happier now.

00:45:01.520 He was always a little bit sad in life.

00:45:04.600 Chemical imbalance in his brain.

00:45:06.300 It's a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

00:45:08.500 And when you die, you fall into the hands of the living God.

00:45:11.840 And so our prayer should be, teach us to number our days.

00:45:15.200 You should hate death like God hates death.

00:45:17.200 When you're going to a funeral, you should be sad.

00:45:19.600 It's not a celebration of life.

00:45:22.460 It's a mourning of death.

00:45:23.500 And it's even okay, appropriately, to be a little angry.

00:45:25.920 Yeah.

00:45:26.260 It's a celebration of, if it's a celebration of anything,

00:45:29.700 It's a celebration of those who can mourn

00:45:32.340 as those with hope

00:45:33.320 because of Christ's victory over death.

00:45:36.280 But even then, it's in the face of the state.

00:45:40.060 We don't mourn as those without hope, but we mourn.

00:45:42.560 You're not actually celebrating.

00:45:44.500 You're still mourning.

00:45:45.480 The distinction between the Christian and the unbeliever. 1.00

00:45:47.400 Well, I think we can say we're celebrating 0.99

00:45:49.080 the victory of Christ over. 0.98

00:45:51.240 That is the hope.

00:45:52.260 We mourn as those with hope.

00:45:53.800 I am celebrating the resurrection.

00:45:55.860 I'm glad that the gospel of Jesus Christ is true.

00:45:57.980 But not celebrating death.

00:45:58.940 We're not celebrating the resurrection yet

00:46:00.660 because it hasn't happened.

00:46:02.060 But that is the hope.

00:46:03.160 The hope is a celebration of the surety

00:46:05.540 that Christ has done that.

00:46:07.400 I'm comfortable calling that a celebration.

00:46:09.760 What all of the ghosty kind of stories do though,

00:46:14.280 is they try to get you to celebrate

00:46:16.300 that the immortality of your own spirit,

00:46:20.040 the escaping from the tether

00:46:21.640 that's been weighing you down in life.

00:46:23.740 You see this with,

00:46:24.560 it's the same thing that happens with-

00:46:26.040 And then once you die, you're not accountable.

00:46:27.720 Reincarnation narratives

00:46:28.540 are the same. Yeah. Oh, you go to a medium. A lot of the things they'll tell you is, oh, wow. You

00:46:34.260 know, you and your best friend, you guys knew each other in a past life and you guys, you know,

00:46:38.960 you had neighboring farms or, you know, you and your wife, you've been married 16 times so far.

00:46:44.360 And you're just, you're going to reincarnate. Just do try to build up your karmic bank account 0.92

00:46:50.500 so that you'll be reincarnated to a higher. It's all the same play. It just has a different face. 0.98

00:46:57.060 It's the same exact play.

00:46:59.020 And that's what makes me, that's why,

00:47:00.420 haunted cosmos, that's why we so often say

00:47:02.920 it was the demons.

00:47:04.500 It was the demons.

00:47:05.180 Because a lot of the time it is the demons

00:47:07.020 and they're smart enough to come up with different plays.

00:47:10.280 And when we say demons,

00:47:11.440 and we talked about this in an episode we did on angels,

00:47:14.500 but when we say demons,

00:47:16.220 I think that is a good way of understanding

00:47:19.720 the Michael Heiser type of,

00:47:21.140 that there are fallen angels,

00:47:23.560 but then there are also demonic spirits

00:47:26.860 that are not necessarily an angel fallen from heaven,

00:47:31.080 but the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim

00:47:33.940 that have nowhere to go,

00:47:36.660 neither above nor beneath for now.

00:47:39.780 The unclean spirit bound of the earth.

00:47:41.660 In this age.

00:47:42.240 And I think,

00:47:43.200 we'll probably talk about this in our fairies episode,

00:47:45.580 that there's also other categories of-

00:47:49.460 At least potentially.

00:47:50.360 Potentially of spiritual fallen beings

00:47:53.600 Like this is one of those things that's speculative

00:47:55.760 and we don't know for certain,

00:47:57.580 but whether it's one class of being

00:48:00.940 or there are multiple classes of fallen being,

00:48:03.440 they're certainly going to try

00:48:05.160 if they're going to try to do anything

00:48:06.140 other than just their sheer hatred of the image of God.

00:48:08.720 Yeah, right.

00:48:09.280 They are going to try to deceive you.

00:48:11.280 Yeah, yep.

00:48:12.280 And they're going to do so in the way Paul warned

00:48:14.240 as angels of light through just as often

00:48:18.420 as they're going to use horror and death and carnage. 0.79

00:48:20.740 we see it in the transgender phenomena as well that often they will convince human beings to 0.97

00:48:27.420 believe that that black is white white is black that death is a friend that with that true life 0.99

00:48:33.280 is actually the enemy that they'll try to convince you of the opposite of everything good right and 0.97

00:48:38.120 even you know the series you did with with isker and ad robles and you guys are talking about trash

00:48:43.220 world the same thing that gives the hauntings in all of this supernaturalist stuff it's the same

00:48:49.400 class of being in league with human sin,

00:48:52.340 not to downplay human sin and sinfulness 0.72

00:48:54.300 that makes trash world. 0.95

00:48:55.920 It's all different fingers of the same black hand. 1.00

00:48:59.900 But it's evil people who are being assisted.

00:49:02.680 Oh yeah.

00:49:03.120 The catalyst in the equation,

00:49:04.100 the evil people is the control,

00:49:05.480 but the catalyst in this equation is,

00:49:07.820 and again, the emphasis on ancient.

00:49:10.980 These are thousands of years old, these spirits.

00:49:14.040 They're not omniscient.

00:49:15.040 They're not equals with God, not even close.

00:49:18.080 They're not omniscient.

00:49:18.800 They're not omnipresent, but they're 6,000.

00:49:22.400 I mean, they're old.

00:49:23.280 They know things.

00:49:24.320 They're learned.

00:49:25.000 They know what works and they can give technology

00:49:28.540 and techniques and skill and knowledge

00:49:31.860 and ancient knowledge and things

00:49:34.240 to those who are willing to make a deal.

00:49:36.740 They have the Bible memorized in Latin, Greek, English.

00:49:40.860 I mean, these are beings that they can spin words.

00:49:45.500 They are powerful.

00:49:46.320 They can spin ideologies.

00:49:47.320 This is, again, we've talked about this verse,

00:49:48.960 2 Corinthians 10, three to five.

00:49:50.960 It's why it's important for the Christian to understand

00:49:52.640 that they don't wage war with flesh and blood,

00:49:55.120 but with the powers and principalities

00:49:56.520 in the heavenly places.

00:49:57.440 But we have spiritual power to tear down every stronghold.

00:50:02.340 And it's important that this is connected

00:50:03.840 and lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God.

00:50:06.700 Ideologies.

00:50:06.760 So the spiritual strongholds are wedded to ideologies.

00:50:10.700 Words are their most important weapon.

00:50:13.180 Beliefs are their most important weapon.

00:50:15.160 So they'll show you what they need to

00:50:16.700 to get you to cling on to a demonic belief

00:50:21.180 or an ungodly belief,

00:50:22.480 because that's what will sink your ship at the end.

00:50:25.300 It's what you believe to be true.

00:50:27.780 Your praxis will follow your belief.

00:50:31.140 What you do will follow what you believe.

00:50:33.720 Yeah.

00:50:34.220 Fantastic episode.

00:50:35.600 Thanks, guys.

00:50:36.300 Thanks, Joel.

00:50:36.620 There you have it.

00:50:37.180 Ghosts, they're demons.

00:50:40.560 Tune in next time.

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The NXR Podcast - May 24, 2024

THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - Ghosts ｜ That’s Not Your Grandma, It’s A Demon! ｜ Episode 8 w @hauntedcosmos_

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