The NXR Podcast - February 09, 2024


THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - Okay, Maybe Baptists Did Cause Transgenderism

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Transgenderism has been around for a long time, but is it the final form of feminism? Is it a symptom of the end of the world as we know it, or the birth of a new and better kind of feminism, or is it something else entirely?

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00:00:00 We began with all cultures everywhere throughout all of human history implicitly recognizing
00:00:07 unique strengths, weaknesses, and the distinct roles and gifts that belong separately to
00:00:13 men and women.
00:00:14 We have arrived at Rachel Levine.
00:00:18 For most people in our culture today, just the thought of there being things that women
00:00:22 cannot do that men can, and vice versa, seems no different than doctors draining the body
00:00:27 of bad humors with leeches.
00:00:30 They say the modern world has bridged the gap.
00:00:33 In fact, our medical technology is so advanced that we can even bridge the biological gap between the sexes. 0.68
00:00:39 Our modern transhumanist world believes it has so effectively cast down the Almighty
00:00:43 and has triumphed over His created order so decisively
00:00:47 that His very image, man and woman, this thing He has fixed from the beginning, is now permanently abolished.
00:00:54 At the very outset of the Enlightenment, when men first believed they had bested God,
00:00:58 did the earliest feminists begin to spread their ideas what we currently live in is a product of 0.58
00:01:04 generations imagining they could recreate the world in our own sinful image transforming the 0.82
00:01:09 glories of the woman into the shameful things of the man is not an accident it was done by design
00:01:15 so one thing that i think it would be helpful to talk about in this episode is um just helping
00:01:26 people see because i think you know the the typical normie uh is you know they they red
00:01:31 pilled in 2020 and you know for three years now they've they've prided themselves you know and
00:01:37 saying i you know i can see you know behind the veil yeah i've seen the wizard of oz uh i i you
00:01:44 know i'm in the know uh that things have gotten really bad in the last three years and it's like
00:01:48 uh you know like another meme you know like uh you think things have gotten bad in the last three
00:01:52 years i think things have gotten bad in the last 300 we are not the same yes you know and so like
00:01:57 so i think it'd be really helpful to talk about not even just the last three years but backing
00:02:01 up and looking at the 60s and even recognizing that the sexual revolution of the 60s uh even
00:02:07 that was not the root but that was the fruit of something that was brewing underneath the surface
00:02:11 for a very long time so can we talk about the second great awakening can we talk about where
00:02:15 you know the enlightenment those kinds of things like where where did some of this trash world
00:02:19 get its start yeah i i think it's it's it's always a question of all right you you focus on it like
00:02:27 you said a time period in history where everyone would be like oh the 1960s and 70s that's that's 0.50
00:02:32 when you know feminism that you know that that particular wave of feminism um came in and that's
00:02:39 what everybody focuses on and then everything before that was just fine there weren't any that 0.60
00:02:43 this didn't exist before that i mean you see that even today with like the trans stuff and and the
00:02:48 reaction to it that like anti-woke uh reaction to it um so much of it is we just want to go back
00:02:56 to like 2014 ish you know clinton era uh yeah maybe maybe the 1990s you know um but that's
00:03:04 good enough and and it's like well no like it didn't just appear out of nowhere randomly um
00:03:12 in in you know the late 20 teens and early 2020s it didn't just like poof here it is uh and we just
00:03:20 need to go back to right before that it's it's a process things you know things that um you know
00:03:28 antecedents that had to be there in order to get transgenderism um had to appear first and you have
00:03:35 to you have to cut those things out it's it's almost like you know my um you know my backyard 0.90
00:03:41 garden at my home if i if i don't like weed it every single day and get these little tiny things
00:03:46 that aren't you know they don't have terribly deep roots you can just pluck them with your
00:03:50 with two fingers um you know if i don't do that every single day if i come back like five days
00:03:56 later a couple you know i'm lazy and take a few days off and all of a sudden there's like a three
00:04:00 foot tall you know massive weed uh that has roots like 10 feet down after just a couple days and
00:04:07 It's like, I have to, I have to rent equipment to pull that thing out.
00:04:11 That's, that's what this is like, where it's like, there are, there are things, there are
00:04:15 intellectual movements and ideas where if you, if you nip them in the bud, like if you just,
00:04:21 if you cut them out right away, then these horrible, disgusting things don't grow and
00:04:28 don't foster.
00:04:28 Ideas have consequences, but they also have culmination.
00:04:31 Yeah.
00:04:31 They have seed form.
00:04:33 Yeah, exactly. 0.76
00:04:34 where they, where they reach their, you know, final form where, I mean, even, even transgenderism
00:04:38 probably isn't the final form. It's not the final form, yeah. No, it's close to it, but it's not,
00:04:42 you know, it could get worse. And, and so we, we have to go back further and further and further
00:04:50 to see, okay, when is it this tiny little, and not just transgenderism, but feminism as well,
00:04:57 when is it just this tiny little thing in the ground where I can just easily pluck it out and
00:05:01 right throat to the wind um yeah well and that's i think what we should talk about i think
00:05:04 transgenderism is one of the and not maybe not the final fruit like you just said but it's one
00:05:09 of the final fruits are getting close of the root of feminism so i think there's a straight line
00:05:14 from feminism to transgenderism because i think egalitarianism for it to be successful ultimately
00:05:20 um equality uh when we speak of equality in those kinds of terms what it demands is androgyny yeah
00:05:28 So people think, well, transgenderism, you know, like you own the libs, you know, and say like, oh, isn't this funny that, you know, Leah Thomas, you know, is beating all the, you know, all the chicks and swimming, you know, that kind of stuff. 0.68
00:05:41 And so you're like this.
00:05:42 So on one hand, you know, I think the neocon individual, you know, who red pill three years ago and thinks that the world was fine until then, that person, you know, is owning the libs by saying, you're, you know, you're the real anti-feminist, you know, like you're the real, you know, blah, blah, blah.
00:05:57 but we just want to save title nine and it's like right and so what they're saying is that
00:06:01 right so they're saying transgenderism is an irony of feminism uh whereas i would say no
00:06:08 transgenderism is actually the logical end yeah it's not an irony yeah it's not an irony it's not
00:06:14 uh it's not opposing feminism uh it's actually the logical end of what feminism would always
00:06:19 was always destined to produce and i think the reason why is because again um i think in order
00:06:25 to have um the perfect egalitarian you know equal world uh you need um in order to have perfect
00:06:32 equality as the marxist thinks about equality uh you have to have sameness you have to have
00:06:37 androgyny so uh you know like i i've always told my church i said you know the goal is not uh to
00:06:43 have 5 000 different genders right it's you know two genders then it's three then it's 87 then it's
00:06:48 126 134 whatever number we're on now but the goal is uh not to get to 5 000 it's to get to one
00:06:54 yeah so the goal is how do we get from two genders to one and the easiest way to do it is not two to
00:07:01 one that's that's a that's a hard pill to swallow that probably won't work on the public so what 1.00
00:07:05 you do is is you go up first and then you go up so far to where just all is just a a mess and just 1.00
00:07:12 blends together and it becomes one but the goal is androgyny i think feminism has always uh served 0.99
00:07:18 towards that end and so you know even though it seems like an irony like oh feminism is no longer
00:07:23 of the thing now it's transgenderism which flies in the face of feminism i would say no
00:07:27 transgenderism is the child of the mother of feminism well yeah the irony too is that i mean
00:07:33 you see it a lot online that the the really radical feminists or many of them uh are like
00:07:40 anti-trans for the for the same reason where they're like no no this is the no feminism didn't 0.99
00:07:46 cause transgenderism this is this is attacking us you know they could they're called like turfs
00:07:50 right yeah yeah dave chapelle famously said i'm team turf yeah trans exclusion exclusionary uh 0.98
00:07:56 radical feminist you know that's a harry potter woman uh yeah yeah she's she yeah she is a turf 1.00
00:08:03 um and and so it it's and they're broken into these two camps whereas other feminists are like 1.00
00:08:08 no you you're a woman too and we're gonna fight to make sure that you all your rights are protected 1.00
00:08:13 and things like that and so there's this divide within within that world uh but i i think it is
00:08:19 it's obvious there's this this seamless process where if you if you break down all of the social
00:08:25 distinctions between men and women that already exist um you know where you have anti-discrimination
00:08:34 laws that uh force women into male-only spaces and um where you have you know by by law and then
00:08:43 later by custom um everyone just assuming that well we we won't ever have any distinctions
00:08:49 between men and women we'll have men and women together in every single thing you know um we'll
00:08:54 we won't have you know boys boys sports and girls sports with girl sports or uh or even before that
00:09:01 sports were just for boys right like we talked about title nine right we'll have um um now every
00:09:09 every boy sport you have you have to have a girl sports that accompanies it and and um we're gonna
00:09:14 of mandate this by law right all all sorts of things like that is it um it didn't happen like
00:09:22 overnight or out of nowhere like it's this long drawn-out process over the course of of decades
00:09:28 and even centuries and uh you remove all of these distinctions in your culture between men and women
00:09:34 and then all of a sudden it's like well if men and women are entirely the same other than
00:09:41 biologically then well why don't we change them biologically right why don't we make them
00:09:48 physically look like one or the other and and that's what that's what happened especially once
00:09:53 you um once you know sexual perversion in general begins to be normalized tolerated then normalized
00:10:02 and then uh positively exalted uh then that other you know perversion um becomes thinkable
00:10:11 as well or at least something you could you know bring out into the public and demand that people 0.79
00:10:15 accept this now because that's the next thing after after we after we made homosexuality um
00:10:22 a a laudable thing that you you by law you have to praise um then it's the very next step is all 0.72
00:10:31 right now these men who look like women uh dress like women i don't really look like women they
00:10:35 act like women yeah now they're going to look like and look like them and women that want to
00:10:40 look like you know teenage boys um now now you have to treat them as though they are those things 0.73
00:10:47 right right or you are in trouble right so let's talk about let's talk about the church let's talk
00:10:53 about um the origins of some of these ideas but how the church in many ways hook line and sinker
00:10:59 you know took the bait that uh and i'm thinking about you know specifically american church
00:11:05 history and like i think it would be helpful to you know you discuss this in your book
00:11:08 but to talk about the second great awakening yeah the second great awakening was nothing like
00:11:14 the first this isn't you know this isn't george whitfield um you know wesley brothers but that
00:11:20 you know charles finney and his conception of revival his conception of christianity
00:11:25 his systematic uh that's heretical that he came up with you know these kinds of things
00:11:30 and in a lot of ways you know yes we could argue that it was there before you know in a previous
00:11:34 episode we talked about how you know in the rome uh roman church and roman catholicism that these
00:11:39 things were there very early on with their mariology uh was a big part of it but i think
00:11:44 within protestantism uh especially here in america the great awakening seems to be uh seems to be
00:11:51 the root of a lot of feminization that that affected the culture but began actually in the
00:11:57 house of god yeah i think the the big thing about the second great awakening just as a you know as
00:12:04 the the fundamental religious moment in american history uh it is that it uh democratized american
00:12:13 religion where whereas and american protestant protestantism in particular it um before that
00:12:21 you would you had the various forms of of protestant denominations that all had a very rigid
00:12:29 hierarchy right um even even congregationalism still had pastors that were set apart and things
00:12:35 like that so uh people maybe would be like oh well there was still congregationalism in in
00:12:40 America. Yeah, there was. But even there, it was fairly rigid. You still had families and
00:12:47 households where the fathers represented the household. They're the ones that voted in most
00:12:52 of the Congregationalist churches and so forth. But then you have Finney and you have the
00:12:58 revivalism in Western New York and throughout the frontier during the early part of the 19th
00:13:05 century where now it's just individuals and it isn't even really churches it's just these big
00:13:10 tent revivals and um all of it's reduced down to individual conversions and there is no there is
00:13:19 no discipleship there's no church um it's all just individual people becoming christians and that's
00:13:25 that's it pretty straight line from charles finney to billy graham would you say um yeah i i think
00:13:32 Well, yes and no. In terms of the methodology, yeah, definitely. I think you have a few different things happen to Protestantism throughout the 19th century in America where you still have your mainline Protestant denominations and the seminaries and big churches that existed.
00:14:02 those start to go, you know,
00:14:04 they'll start to go very liberal because of the theology coming out of
00:14:08 continental Europe.
00:14:10 And at the same time, while they're going liberal,
00:14:13 they are pushing this kind of utopian progressivism where they,
00:14:17 they had a kind of a form of post-millennialism.
00:14:20 It's very different than, than, you know, what we think,
00:14:23 where we can just produce God's kingdom on earth by transforming men into
00:14:29 perfect angels. They don't have to be converted.
00:14:31 necessarily to Christ, we'll just pass laws, right? We will just pass laws and we'll reshape
00:14:39 society where it's almost revolutionary. It's still the same revolutionary spirit of the age
00:14:43 that existed since 1789, where we now know so much more, right? You have this hubris of modern
00:14:52 man where we know better, we have science. And so we can reconfigure society to make a perfect
00:14:57 society and what we what we need to do is um we need to give voting rights to women we need to 0.68
00:15:04 ban alcohol we need to um we need to have public education um and even there were some economic 0.95
00:15:11 ones we need to have a central bank we need to have an income tax and of course they got all
00:15:17 those things they got all those things and and there were many um so you have the mainliners
00:15:22 on the one hand that are pushing that and pushing this kind of utopian progressivism
00:15:27 with kind of Puritan, New England Puritan aspects or heritage. And then you also have
00:15:37 the revivalist, who would later be called fundamentalist Christians, that take up a lot
00:15:43 of this stuff too. So there's a ton of overlap between the two, even though they're two divergent
00:15:47 you know streams and um and this is the the kind of uh cultural and and religious and and social
00:15:58 thinking that really came to dominate um america at the late in the late 19th and early 20th century
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00:17:14 season today as as i think about it you know theologically uh you know so i was raised not
00:17:20 exactly pentecostal i was raised in the vineyard movement so probably like a soft pentecostal the
00:17:25 big difference if you think like ag like assemblies of god or you know azusa street revival 1906 and
00:17:31 you know there's different ways like you know piper and grudem were famous for saying like
00:17:35 in their continuationism a third wave continuationism and a second wave you know in many ways
00:17:41 kind of would be like vineyard or four square denomination so the idea classic pentecostalism
00:17:46 you know 100 plus years ago was you know that you're baptized um you know baptized with the
00:17:51 holy spirit uh with the evidence of speaking in tongues if you don't speak in tongues you don't
00:17:56 have the baptism of the holy spirit the baptism of the holy spirit is kind of like uh you know
00:18:00 get nerdy nerdy here for a second but it's kind of like uh like going you know being saying and
00:18:05 then going super saiyan so like you're a christian like you're saying you know but you know kamehameha
00:18:10 like you know if you're gonna go to that next level you know the blonde hair you know the 0.71
00:18:14 arian race you know the super saiyan like then you know then you need the baptism of the holy 0.90
00:18:18 spirit and with that you know with that you uh you know you're going to have the evidence the 0.98
00:18:23 blonde hair you know just just sub that out for speaking in tongues second wave um was more of
00:18:29 the idea that well maybe it doesn't come you know the baptism of the holy spirit it's still a
00:18:33 subsequent uh event to conversion it happens afterwards but it doesn't necessarily have to
00:18:38 come with uh the evidence of speaking in tongues and that was kind of my upbringing uh all that
00:18:42 being said the point is still um in in my church experience as you know as a child uh there was a
00:18:49 lot of emphasis placed on the altar call and that you know my understanding is that that came directly
00:18:54 from finney so finney yeah uh his idea was you know he called it the anxious bench right and so
00:18:59 So he's doing these big tent revival meetings, and it's all about decisionism, revivalism,
00:19:04 emotionalism.
00:19:05 He actually believed, so it was very distinct from the first great awakening, because even
00:19:10 on the Wesleyan side of the aisle with John and his brother Charles, even though they
00:19:15 were Arminian, unlike Whitefield, they weren't Calvinist, and so they had less of an emphasis
00:19:20 on the sovereignty of God as it pertains to conversion, salvation.
00:19:24 they still, they were not so man-centered that they thought that you could actually
00:19:29 guarantee or force a conversion with the right ingredients in this atmosphere.
00:19:37 Like Finney literally thought, like, if you have the music like this, and you have
00:19:40 the order of service like that, and you have, you know, and you set up, it's very similar to
00:19:45 your modern day megachurch. And then it was all about individual decisions, you know, so every
00:19:50 every head bowed and every eye closed you know raise your hand if you want to make a decision
00:19:55 for christ i see that hand brother you know that's still very much a southern baptist kind of you
00:19:59 know so that's in pentecostalism that you know charismatic world that's also very much in the
00:20:04 baptist not the reformed baptist but kind of more anabaptist and you know your typical general
00:20:09 baptist world provisionist or armenian whatever with their view of salvation and so the anxious
00:20:14 bench and what he would do what finney would do going back to the second great awakening
00:20:17 as he would say, you know, if you feel under, you know, under the power of God, the conviction of
00:20:22 the spirit, then you need to come down to the anxious bench. And then, you know, and it was
00:20:27 like an altar call. And I'm going to just for the next 30 minutes or 45 minutes, I'm going to
00:20:31 be preaching directly to you. And he would just look at them in the eyes and, you know, and try
00:20:35 to, you know, just, just stir up their soul and try to, and ultimately what it was, was it was
00:20:40 emotional manipulation. It was, if I set the ingredients just right, I can produce a decision
00:20:45 for Christ. This is a formula. It's a spell that I'm casting, you know? And if I say the words
00:20:52 correctly in the spell, then we'll get the result that we want. And so all that, the last thing that
00:20:56 I wanted to connect that with is not only is it bad theology, not only is it man-centered rather
00:21:01 than God-centered in terms of man's decision versus God's sovereignty, regeneration, perceiving
00:21:07 faith but it also uh it moved from the household uh to the individual that for the longest time
00:21:14 and all of western society and even just human history as a whole around the world
00:21:19 the basic building block of human society was not the individual but the family it was the
00:21:25 household yeah um so you think of it like uh if you have you know h2o hydrogen you know and oxygen
00:21:31 we don't think of it as you know hydrogen and oxygen you think of it as water you think of it
00:21:37 Like, so the, the basic, you know, the, the smallest, the smallest size or metric is not
00:21:43 the atom, but it's the molecule.
00:21:46 And so the household would be like a molecule.
00:21:49 But, but what shifted theologically with the great awakening is, is it started to focus
00:21:53 less on the molecule, more on the atom, less on water and more on hydrogen or oxygen, less
00:21:59 on the family, the household, and more on the individual. 0.83
00:22:02 And then that ultimately, absolutely, there's a straight line from that theological transition to a political and cultural way of thinking that now it's, you know, so even with the 19th Amendment and women's suffrage, it was this idea of like, well, you know, for women to have rights, then they must have this inalienable, you know, they're somehow not even a whole person or don't have value and intrinsic value unless they have the right to vote.
00:22:31 whereas before we would have said well women are voting the this is the household vote and and when
00:22:38 you look at like splitting the household vote with men and women uh there seems to be a direct
00:22:42 correlation between that and down the line a little bit further you know getting to no fault
00:22:47 divorce yeah you know and all that so all these things are connected so when we talk about feminism
00:22:52 today and and it's and it's you know most extreme form currently and not to say it can't get worse
00:22:58 But when we think of feminism today and transgenderism, I think we do need to think about the Great Awakening, going from the household to the individual, decisionism versus God's sovereignty and salvation, the idea of women's suffrage, the household vote being viewed as oppressive, misogyny, rather than men lovingly representing their families.
00:23:20 all these things are connected and one last piece that i think that's worth fleshing out is
00:23:24 um it just doesn't seem like a coincidence to me uh that the same group that's fighting for
00:23:30 women's suffrage uh is the same group that's uh fighting to shut down all the bars yeah you know
00:23:35 so like can we talk about that a little bit you know the temperance movement and why why was why
00:23:41 was the temperance movement was not led by men that's not to say none of them were involved but
00:23:45 by and large right this was a female project before before we get into that let me just say
00:23:49 this so it sounds like to me what you're saying is that maybe maybe baptists didn't cause transing
00:23:56 kids but charles finney did yeah maybe yeah who technically was a presbyterian yeah yeah but he
00:24:06 was a bad presbyterian his spiritual children are mostly baptists now so yeah we might even we might
00:24:13 even title yeah i told you guys offline but we might even title this episode uh maybe baptists
00:24:19 no we may not go that route but here's but here's the deal with that i you know i i do want to say
00:24:26 that um if you are shocked and appalled by the idea that the theology of the church would influence
00:24:33 the beliefs of the culture then then you've got another thing coming you need to you need to
00:24:39 rethink what the church believes good theology has good effects and on the culture even outside
00:24:46 of the church, and bad theology has bad effects, and we're not relativists. Somebody's right,
00:24:51 somebody's wrong. So, you know, for me, I'm going to say, well, I think credo-baptism is right.
00:24:56 However, the notion that a wrong take on baptism could have ripple effects on the culture that
00:25:05 are incredibly negative, I'm not offended by that concept at all. Of course that's true. 0.59
00:25:10 Of course that's true. What are we doing? If we don't think that our theology of the triune God
00:25:16 and what we believe about the world that he made
00:25:18 and humanity, anthropology, all the,
00:25:20 if we don't think that it matters,
00:25:22 that's essentially what we're saying.
00:25:23 Like, well, that's preposterous to blame,
00:25:26 you know, what one group of Christians believes
00:25:29 on having a negative effect on the culture.
00:25:31 And I'd be like, well, then what your ultimate, 0.91
00:25:33 so you're saying that to defend the Baptist,
00:25:36 to defend their honor,
00:25:38 your solution is to say that the church as a whole
00:25:40 is impotent?
00:25:42 That can't be the solution.
00:25:44 Yeah, I think, I mean,
00:25:45 I remember when the infamous statement was made.
00:25:49 And the idea, I thought at the time, was less, yeah, it's the Baptist's fault. 1.00
00:25:56 They're the reason why, right?
00:25:58 More so, you think about, okay, Baptists are the majority group in America, 0.96
00:26:04 in American Christianity, for sure. 0.99
00:26:06 Right. 1.00
00:26:06 Which is always funny in conversations about Christian nationalists. 0.94
00:26:11 Yeah.
00:26:11 I always tell. 0.98
00:26:12 Christian nationalists, they're going to drown the Baptists.
00:26:14 And it's like, do you know how many Baptists there are in America?
00:26:16 I always tell my Baptist brothers, I was like, 0.99
00:26:18 this is proof of how deep the loser theology goes with Baptists. 1.00
00:26:21 They outnumber the Presbyterians 10 to 1, 0.96
00:26:23 and they think that if we had a Christian nation,
00:26:25 that they'd still be at the short end of the stitch. 1.00
00:26:28 Yeah, I know. It's hilarious.
00:26:28 You know, it is.
00:26:29 And so, you know, so setting that aside, right,
00:26:34 you think about, okay, the rationale that most people have
00:26:39 for their Baptist theology, rather than the question of,
00:26:43 okay, exegetically, is this correct or not?
00:26:46 But the mental and emotional rationale
00:26:49 that most people give for, well, why are you a Baptist?
00:26:51 It's that, well, I need to be able to make a decision
00:26:54 to be a Christian. 1.00
00:26:57 Not, I mean, I could talk to Reformed Baptists
00:26:59 and different people where they can say,
00:27:01 they can give their rationale and that's not the same.
00:27:03 Yeah, but most people aren't like that.
00:27:05 It's not decisionist.
00:27:06 Exactly.
00:27:06 Most of the Baptist theology is based
00:27:09 on the same ideas of Charles Finney.
00:27:11 Right.
00:27:11 that you need to make your own personal decision for christ and your baptism reflects that and
00:27:16 that's why the reformed baptists who got you know up in arms and all that like they shouldn't have
00:27:20 because that's not what they're not talking about you they're not talking about yeah yeah you you
00:27:23 are the minority yeah yeah yeah so you should have maybe just said like you have finney baptist
00:27:29 or something it wouldn't have been general baptist most baptists no no one would have cared
00:27:33 but uh but yeah that that is where it's like i said democratized where it's it is
00:27:41 where American Christianity is just spread out
00:27:45 and it's made into this hyper-individualist thing
00:27:48 where I need to make my own individual decision,
00:27:50 which, I mean, in one sense isn't false.
00:27:53 Like each individual person has to have their own faith.
00:27:56 No one denies that.
00:27:59 It's that this moment of decision
00:28:02 is the very most important thing
00:28:04 and that you are an individual and it's your own faith
00:28:07 and there's no church that you're a part of,
00:28:09 there's no family that you're a part of
00:28:10 being brought up into it's all just you completely on your own and it's yours exclusively and
00:28:16 individually rather than being united to the body of christ and being being brought in together and
00:28:23 being a part of it being um being a part of the whole and and uh in this in this very covenantal
00:28:30 sense right that you are you're not a mere individual you're an individual but also a part
00:28:35 of a people. And so that type of thinking, and you can get to credo-baptism exegetically while
00:28:47 still having a covenantal view of the world, but the overwhelming idea is just hyper-individualist,
00:28:55 where it's just me, me, me, I'm alone, and that's it, and there's nothing else besides my own
00:29:00 individual views and and so the same idea is applied to um electoral politics and voting yep
00:29:06 is well i have a right because i'm an individual right so i should get a say in these things
00:29:11 and it's like that's not how the country was originally set up yeah they had reasons for that 0.99
00:29:18 they weren't just because they were just evil jerks these wives were were a member of a household 0.99
00:29:23 and they were you know submissive to their husbands and their husbands were helping make decisions 1.00
00:29:28 You know, they were the ones sitting at the gates with the elders and everything like that.
00:29:32 And it seems like a very, I mean, maybe it's not a, you know, this causes this, but it's the same idea, essentially.
00:29:40 Yeah, absolutely.
00:29:42 The danger of centralized power is often represented by the word king.
00:29:47 As Americans, we hate the word king.
00:29:50 Civilian ownership of body armor is about helping people to have increased power to resist tyrants and criminals.
00:29:58 And so Armored Republic is about helping you to preserve your God-given rights
00:30:03 to the honor of the Lord Jesus Christ because he is the King of kings
00:30:07 and he governs kings and he will judge them.
00:30:11 This is Armored Republic and in a republic there is no king but Christ.
00:30:17 We are free craftsmen and we are honored to be your Armorsmith choice.
00:30:28 part of what we're talking about is federal headship if we're talking about covenant we're
00:30:38 talking about you know representation and you know one of the things that i i often say in
00:30:44 my preaching with my congregation is is if you don't like federal headship right so you you can't
00:30:49 stand the idea that the husband would be the head of his wife that a father would be the head of his
00:30:54 family um if if you reject federal headship uh entirely then you you reject the gospel of jesus
00:31:02 christ you have no hope of salvation because the only way that anybody is saved is by representation
00:31:07 it's by being grafted in to a federal head right so we like we all uh fell in adam he was our first
00:31:15 head and he was a bad head you know um but the last adam the final adam christ um that's that's
00:31:22 our only hope of salvation. Some people will even say in terms of total depravity or just
00:31:28 the fall of man, these kinds of things, they'll say, well, I don't think that's fair. I wish I
00:31:33 could have represented myself. I don't like that Adam represented me because I think Adam, he did
00:31:38 a terrible job. It's like, well, yeah, he did a terrible job, but it's important for us to
00:31:41 remember God is not cruel. God is exceedingly kind and merciful. When he selected our federal
00:31:48 head to represent all Adam's posterity, the human race, he picked the best of us, not the worst of
00:31:54 us. And he put Adam in the best context he could possibly. Number one, Adam didn't have to resist
00:32:01 the temptation to sin as a toddler. That's incredible grace, just right there. So you're
00:32:06 starting with a full-grown man, a mature man, and you're starting in a world that has not fallen
00:32:12 because of sin. So there's no curse of sin. So you're in a perfect world, a good world,
00:32:18 And then even within this good world, there were still wastelands.
00:32:21 They weren't sinful, but there were things to be subdued, dominion to be exercised.
00:32:25 But Adam, you know, he's formed in the wilderness, but he's placed in a garden.
00:32:29 So you have a man, not a baby.
00:32:31 You have a garden, not a desert.
00:32:34 You have a world unfallen by sin.
00:32:38 He's given a helpmate.
00:32:39 You know, there's all these different things, all working, even with, you know, the tree.
00:32:43 It's like, well, you know, there's one tree that he can't eat from.
00:32:47 all the rest are are are good it's it's not the reverse where there's one tree you know that he
00:32:51 actually can eat from and everything else is bad you know so at every single level the deck has
00:32:56 been stacked in adam's favor and adam's not a dimwit like adam so it's so we all fell in adam
00:33:03 um and adam represented us accurately fairly uh we would have if you had been adam if you had been
00:33:10 in the garden you would have done uh the same thing and anybody but my point is to say anybody
00:33:15 who would want to throw off Adam's federal headship, his representation, they have to
00:33:20 recognize that if they're being consistent and saying, well, I don't think that I should be
00:33:24 fallen because I reject this system of Adam representing me. Well, then you also don't
00:33:30 think that you should be saved because it's the same system. By one man's disobedience,
00:33:34 all fell. So by one man's obedience, Romans 5. So that is the system. That's the system for
00:33:42 salvation that's a system for uh the covenant of works so if you want to you know if you want to
00:33:46 you know be cute and get you know the covenant of life the creational covenant you know but like
00:33:50 but that's that is god's system and so to reject that is rejecting god's system that was built to
00:33:56 lend towards humanity's good so this is not an god's not an oppressive god this is not an oppressive
00:34:02 system but but when you make it all about the individual that will then every single individual
00:34:07 must be able to represent themselves. 1.00
00:34:09 So you have to have the right for women to vote. 1.00
00:34:12 Everyone has to be able to vote. 0.62
00:34:13 And I think the reason why this is so deep-seated
00:34:18 in the American psyche 0.98
00:34:20 and the psyche of the American Christian
00:34:22 is these concepts of liberalism and egalitarianism
00:34:26 and this individualism that is deep in our bones.
00:34:31 um we believe that as deeply and even more than we believe the system of doctrine is that's
00:34:41 present in the bible that you just explained right because you hear you hear oh someone else
00:34:46 has to do it for you right it's not within your own power to save yourself um americans don't
00:34:52 want to hear that we want to think no you're an individual you have rights you're capable of you
00:34:57 know, picking yourself up by your bootstraps and doing anything. And that's not the world that God
00:35:02 built. He didn't build an egalitarian world. He built a world where some people are better than
00:35:07 other people at different things. And that's okay, because you're going to be good at the
00:35:11 thing you're good at. You're going to have different strengths and weaknesses. And some
00:35:17 people are made to be king, and I'm not. And I have to be okay with that, right? Like, we all
00:35:23 think they know i get i get to have political power too because i get to vote and it's like
00:35:27 some people are made to be slaves i mean people will lose their minds if you hear that you say
00:35:31 that some people are slaves by nature yeah people are slaves to their sin i mean that's that's what
00:35:36 i mean i talk about the bug man in the book that's what the bug man is is a slave right he gets he has
00:35:43 freedom right yeah he can do whatever he can go do whatever he wants right he can change his job
00:35:49 but he's still in the same social station,
00:35:51 same social class.
00:35:52 He's even not, I mean, it's, in some ways,
00:35:56 the social conditions are similar
00:35:58 to other forms of slavery where he can't really own a home.
00:36:02 He can't really get married.
00:36:04 They've set it up so, and it's different.
00:36:06 It's not that he's not allowed to get married,
00:36:07 but they set it up so that nobody gets married.
00:36:09 Nobody wants to get married.
00:36:10 Rather than permission, it's not that he's not permitted.
00:36:12 He's just simply not able.
00:36:14 Economically, he's not able to have children.
00:36:17 Or not desiring.
00:36:18 it's been set up to not even desire to make him not want it you're right yeah not able or not
00:36:22 willing yeah you're right and and so it's like oh but i but you get to have as much entertainment
00:36:27 as you want you get to watch as much nfl football as you want right to have as many you know ipas at
00:36:32 the bar as you want like slaves in the ancient world didn't get to have that and it's like well
00:36:36 they got to have things you get to pick your company that's exactly the same as the current
00:36:39 company you work for with the exact same job you get to pick between the two but it's the same
00:36:43 thing yeah right exactly and somebody else could have you know their you know their job is they're
00:36:48 pushing a broom and you think of you know like they can't afford a wife they can't afford kids
00:36:52 they can't afford to own a home so that would be like a lower level slave but you think of the
00:36:56 ancient world and like there are different tiers of slavery oh yeah you know and so so and you
00:37:01 address this like right you know in your book but the idea that like one of the fundamental
00:37:05 characteristics of a slave is not poverty it's not that he's poor and it's not even that he has
00:37:11 uh no no agency yeah right like slaves you know higher up tier slaves might serve in the house of
00:37:18 of a king or a lord yeah voddy bacham said this once upon a time it was a long time ago but i
00:37:24 remember reading his book on joseph yeah and he said you know here's the thing about joseph uh
00:37:29 even when he's viceroy of all of egypt he said he's he's you know he's the highest authority
00:37:34 ranking authority in all of egypt except for pharaoh even then though uh he can't return
00:37:41 to his home yeah uh he's still a slave yeah we don't think of that we think like he's king yeah
00:37:46 no but in a certain sense he's still like pharaoh still ultimately determines who he can marry
00:37:51 yeah uh he determines um rituals and practices and worship um his his uh job schedule all these
00:38:00 so he he is a uh he's prosperous yeah he's affluent he's powerful all these had lots of
00:38:06 choices but not all the choices right exactly it's right joseph nowhere on the table could
00:38:11 joseph say uh hey i'm leaving see that's the thing is how do you know you're a slave uh you
00:38:16 know you're a slave uh when you can't leave yeah and you might feel like you can leave because you
00:38:21 can walk over here you can walk over there you could go to the bar with your friends you can
00:38:25 watch this show or that show. But at the end of the day, Joseph, he may have had a long leash,
00:38:31 but he's still on the leash. And at every single point, he's a slave, whether it's in Potiphar's
00:38:36 house or whether even the prison. I mean, he works all the way up to where he's the top dog
00:38:42 in the prison, but he's still a prisoner. He's still in prison. Same thing. And you think like,
00:38:47 man, he went from a prisoner to being a king. No, no, no. He was a top dog in prison, but still
00:38:53 prisoner to being the top dog in all of egypt but same principle same system still a slave
00:38:59 underneath pharaoh and so you know so one thing you know one characteristic of a slave is that
00:39:03 a slave can't leave uh but the second uh characteristic that you outline in the book
00:39:07 that i think is really helpful is that typically um slaves they they couldn't have households
00:39:12 they may be permitted to marry and may be permitted to have children as joseph was
00:39:17 but joseph is a part of pharaoh's household yeah he doesn't have his own household and that's that's
00:39:23 the big idea is that if you have a good master if you're a slave you have a good master and you
00:39:27 have a wealthy master and a reasonable wise and kind merciful master then you may have a lot of
00:39:34 freedoms but you still ultimately belong to his house and just like abraham had 300 you know and
00:39:40 it's not like he forbid them all from marrying and forbid them all from procreation or anything
00:39:43 part of his house but they're a part of abraham's house yeah they're part of it and that's the one
00:39:48 thing in our culture right now that you can't get you think you're free but the hardest thing to get
00:39:54 in in in our society as it currently stands is uh is to get a household yeah to get a household
00:40:00 and that's not the whole point is that's not an accident yeah that's not it's not an accident that
00:40:07 that the hardest thing you can get it you can get a six-figure job yeah um but but you know what
00:40:13 that six-figure job requires it requires you to uh not to work at google it requires you to live
00:40:18 at google yeah you you are on campus 20 hours a day and that's why they have they have beds there
00:40:23 they have you know all these different amenities and entertainment and this and that and like
00:40:28 because they want uh you're part of google's household yeah you will not have your own
00:40:33 household so you can be rich and be a slave and you can actually be impoverished under certain
00:40:39 conditions and be a man and be the head of your household i have a poor household but but this is
00:40:44 my household i own property it may not be much but i own property i have a wife i have children
00:40:50 they have my name and we're building my legacy god's legacy ultimately but through me we're
00:40:56 building our legacy and not somebody else's yeah and and that's uh people need to wake up and
00:41:01 realize you know uh you're a slave yeah that's man is a slave yeah and and it because we think
00:41:08 oh unless you're in chains and getting whipped and beaten that's not really slavery um how dare
00:41:15 you make the comparison right and and it's like no one's no one's comparing and saying those are
00:41:21 identical things it's saying that these are the social conditions that exist and it is much more
00:41:27 akin to um to the conditions of a slave and and you think you have all sorts of freedom and you
00:41:35 don't you don't have freedom even even the freedom to vote right well if you get to vote
00:41:40 and nothing ever changes right that it gets better for you right who cares if you get to vote
00:41:46 right i mean i i always tell people when it when it comes to like voting i'm like i would give up
00:41:50 my right to vote if it meant that you know um we didn't have any more foreign wars yeah and we had
00:41:58 a stable dollar and right and like uh and no illegal immigration right if we just completely
00:42:04 had closed borders i would rather have i'd give up my right to vote in a heartbeat for that you
00:42:08 vote you get all excited about voting for someone but you always end up with john mccain yeah
00:42:13 exactly it's the same guy every time yeah it's like oh wow this is democracy great this is awesome
00:42:18 like we'd rather live in a christian monarchy uh than trash world democracy yeah and like that's
00:42:24 yeah uh what you know going back just for a moment and tying together the temperance uh movement and
00:42:30 feminism uh one of the things that you wrote is this the utopian social engineering of temperance
00:42:35 was not just about banning alcohol the goal was to take away the important political organizing
00:42:41 center of the tavern from their main political foes the urban high church lutheran and catholic
00:42:48 immigrants whom they also wished to civilize and so there was there was a strategy there it wasn't
00:42:54 just about you know alcohol bad it was also about shutting down um the place where men would gather
00:43:02 and there's a rich history of that throughout you know centuries you think of white horse tavern
00:43:06 you know or like white horse inn you know or you think of lewis and tolkien and like uh throughout
00:43:11 history uh when you look at like where did some of the best ideas come from uh it came from a group
00:43:18 of you know a handful of guys in a bar like more often than not you know like this is a really
00:43:22 great idea i wonder where it was was first conceived probably in a bar you know there's
00:43:28 a decent chance yeah yeah yeah so um well it's interesting i got that um that concept from the
00:43:35 the libertarian uh historian and economist marie rothbard right he did he had a long series about
00:43:44 the the progressive era and uh he talked about this that it wasn't just that they they wanted to
00:43:51 uh outlaw alcohol to fix all of these drunk men and and create these like utopian social conditions
00:43:59 there was also it was politically motivated because the the bars and the taverns and and
00:44:04 all of this from from these groups of people that opposed um opposed their their political
00:44:10 you know ideas um this is where they were gathered to discuss that and discuss the politics and
00:44:15 especially like local politics and all of the the local politics revolved around the these kinds of
00:44:21 things and fighting you know fighting the temperance movement fighting uh uh the suffragettes
00:44:26 and and so forth and as soon as they're able to shut down the bars then they're able to atomize
00:44:32 these guys because this is i mean this was like like social media is for us now was the men going
00:44:37 there and this is where they would discuss these things so like the group chat that was the group
00:44:41 chat was in real life and it was in a in a tavern and they would they would organize and strategize
00:44:46 and and that's what they would do um and so it's it's not um a coincidence that like the very that
00:44:53 like the great grandchildren of these people now like run the internet and all of the corporations
00:44:59 and they want to shut down us being allowed to talk right that's that's not a coincidence that
00:45:05 those parallels exist, right? They want to shut down our ability to organize and share ideas and
00:45:12 think about these things out loud. And so same playbook. Yep. Yeah, especially, I mean, the
00:45:18 parallels are really interesting there because you can imagine those conversations at the tavern
00:45:22 were pretty lively and they weren't censored and, you know, people would be screenshotting it. Can
00:45:27 you believe what they said? And you know what I mean? Like that kind of thing. Like it's the same
00:45:31 kind of thing that not only they don't want you talking about it, but they don't want you talking
00:45:34 about it candidly and having a fun time while you're doing it and creating bonds and being
00:45:40 friends with people. Or being optimistic. Being optimistic. Maybe even a fight breaks out with
00:45:46 your friends afterwards. This is the thing that they want to stop. I mean, you can even see
00:45:51 these people online threaten to drop screenshots. You wouldn't believe how they talk in these
00:45:58 private groups. It's like, no, I would believe it because this is how I actually talk.
00:46:02 yeah all the time you know what i mean yeah well and it seems like one of the you know the common
00:46:09 denominator with all that is just uh it's a war against men like what you're trying to get rid of
00:46:16 is every single characteristic of masculinity you're trying to get rid of uh leadership courage
00:46:22 um i mean even like you know jolly worrying you know being a jolly warrior being uh like all that
00:46:30 optimism um a father's laughter uh hope um uh courage bravery uh decision making leadership
00:46:39 these like all these things you know are masculine traits and you're basically what you're doing is
00:46:44 you're saying that masculinity is uh is sinful uh everything that like everything that stems from
00:46:51 masculinity is sinful you need to be domestic domestic you need you need to be um impotent 0.99
00:46:57 you need to be castrated. You need to be tamed. You need to be tamed. And there is something to 1.00
00:47:02 be said, like a godly man. It sounds pretty trans to me. I'm not going to lie. Because it's not just
00:47:07 women that are doing this. There's a lot of men that kind of take this role to kind of police
00:47:13 your speech and police how you're doing it. I mean, I've said this many times, but I interned
00:47:19 with Jared C. Wilson and when he disavowed me, one of the things he said that he said,
00:47:25 you know adam it's not you know what you're saying it's just that you're having so much fun
00:47:29 while you're saying it that that's what they said that's what he said was so sinful about what i was
00:47:32 doing and i i when he said that i read that in email because he refused to talk to me he didn't
00:47:39 have the stones right yeah but um when i read that email i was just like what kind of a world
00:47:44 does this guy want to live in like right you should be not happy to talk well that's that's
00:47:50 actually exactly what they want what they want is for you to be i'm afraid to say that you know
00:47:54 so-and-so is uh you know getting too woke and you know that sorry i'm really sorry about this
00:47:59 very distressed that's what they want disturbed yeah and and and it's just it's it's it's absolutely
00:48:05 it's very trans is what it is yeah right i think of that when i think of big eva when i think of
00:48:10 gospel coalition i think of russell moore so russell moore david french right that's just
00:48:14 women of both sexes right so there is that element but i think with mid eva um i don't
00:48:21 think it's necessarily that they're all that they're all um effeminate there's elements of
00:48:26 that but they're just to be fair there are times that i'm effeminate you know and i have to repent
00:48:30 of that and i need to grow yeah i can confirm that but yeah but um we'll just move right along
00:48:36 but can you bring up marvel you know
00:48:39 i did say that marvel's fake and gay that's right so you're working on it okay i'm working on it
00:48:46 But the point is this, the point is that some of the medieval types are not, it's not just effeminacy, you know, the women who are both sexist kind of thing. 0.62
00:48:55 Some of these guys really are like, by God's grace, they really are masculine.
00:48:59 So their problem is not that they're the school marm.
00:49:02 Well, actually they are, but it's not.
00:49:04 Well, it's kind of disfigured though. 0.96
00:49:05 So they're like, they are masculine in many ways, in many areas, but they have like, they've chopped off a little bit here and maybe changed it a little, you know what I mean?
00:49:14 right what i'm saying is and they have to repress it they're the yeah actively what i'm saying is
00:49:18 they're the slave owners they actually are masculine but they want to take everyone else
00:49:23 who's masculine and treat them like a slave so like so only a few men so there's a lot of men 0.55
00:49:29 right so so going back to the ancient world lots of men let's say 50 women 50 men but it's not 50
00:49:35 heads of households only a few of those men can actually be heads of households yeah the other
00:49:40 men um are allowed to be masculine in some capacity but they're not allowed to to be self-ruled men
00:49:47 they're not allowed to have their own household they're not and so i and i think that's how mid
00:49:51 eva so big eva is let's just get rid of men all together and let's just have women with both sexes 1.00
00:49:56 uh everything that is feminine is a virtue everything that's masculine is a vice that's 1.00
00:50:00 how i think of big eva russell moore types but within mid eva uh they would actually be able
00:50:06 authentically it's not hypocrisy authentically they would be able to write a book about how
00:50:10 masculinities under attack and and and i and and it wouldn't just be a weak book either i'd be able
00:50:16 to read it and say yeah i said that on a podcast uh yesterday that same thing good on you yeah
00:50:21 but here's the one problem the one problem is that when i said on a podcast you blocked me
00:50:26 and and and you and you actually you shared it to your legions of female followers to say look
00:50:31 at this patriarch and i like and i almost i almost uh just said exactly verbatim what you said yeah
00:50:39 but so so there's an element of like okay you you can't be masculine but there's also an element i
00:50:45 think in the church world today which is uh you can be masculine but only a few of us the rest
00:50:51 of you are slaves because you didn't pay your dues you're not good company men you didn't go
00:50:56 to the right seminary you haven't served in you know in this pastoral internship you didn't kiss
00:51:01 the ring whatever the reasons might be you know but but but yeah the rest of the bottom line is
00:51:05 right so you're a plat you're just platform building it's like well everybody has a platform 0.97
00:51:09 it was built by that's just stupid yeah john mccarthur built a platform it's like well no he 0.98
00:51:13 didn't he was just that talented somebody recorded those sermons yeah right and and he at some point 0.99
00:51:19 gave someone permission to turn on a camera yeah right so like there you go so everybody builds a
00:51:25 platform uh it's not that you guys are grifters and building platforms and it's nefarious and
00:51:29 it's sinister. It's like, no, well, you built a platform too. It's what you're doing. It's
00:51:35 gatekeeping. It's just only some people are allowed to write a book about masculinity.
00:51:38 There's a lot going on psychologically with that behavior. I don't really know all the details,
00:51:42 but it's definitely gatekeeping for sure. Oh, yeah. So all that being said, my point is just
00:51:46 to say that we need masculinity. We don't need the school marm. We don't need the temperance,
00:51:52 you know, suffrage. We don't need the feminization of the church, the feminization of culture. 0.94
00:51:59 But we also, I think if you're going to have masculinity,
00:52:02 one of the things that you have to do
00:52:03 is not disparage men, especially young men.
00:52:07 That's what the whole time
00:52:08 that I'm trying to build up to
00:52:09 is to say that like, if you want masculinity,
00:52:13 one of the things that you have to allow for
00:52:16 is masculinity.
00:52:18 And I think some of these guys-
00:52:20 It sometimes is messy.
00:52:20 They actually do have a biblical view of masculinity,
00:52:23 at least 90%.
00:52:24 Maybe we quibble on a few things,
00:52:26 but but they're they actually have a a right biblical conception of masculinity the problem
00:52:31 is that they don't actually allow all men to achieve it you're you're not allowed to be
00:52:37 masculine unless you've jumped through these hoops and done this thing you can't say that why because
00:52:42 it was harsh well but dude you said the exact same thing last week last week so it can't be that this
00:52:48 is objectively uh harsh and in tone it like it's it's got to be uh it's got to be at some level
00:52:55 You don't want every man to be a strong masculine head of his own household, building institutions to the glory of God and doing this.
00:53:06 No, you only want a few men able to do that.
00:53:08 Well, I think part of the reason why is for that phenomenon is if you have men who are masculine, are bold and assertive and say what they think, you're going to have guys that are not going to agree with you from time to time.
00:53:26 Right.
00:53:26 And they're going to tell you that publicly, out loud, and you're going to have conflict because you have other men.
00:53:34 And so, so many, so many guys like this, I think are so conflict averse.
00:53:38 they're just used to saying a thing and then everyone following suit and doing what they say
00:53:42 that they don't want the combat. They don't want, and it doesn't even need to be acrimonious. It
00:53:49 could be, well, I think this. And then you say, well, I think the other thing. And then you try
00:53:54 to persuade them or they try to persuade you. They don't want that. They want to just have yes
00:53:58 men that say, oh, you're in charge. I'll think what you tell me to think. I think that's a big
00:54:04 part of it is if you raise up masculine men, especially masculine young men, and allow them
00:54:11 to flourish in what God made them, then you're going to have people that are going to elbow you
00:54:21 around a little bit and scuffle with you from time to time. And you don't want that. You want
00:54:26 your little fiefdom so that nobody's going to challenge it. And it's like, that's not any way
00:54:32 to, to do anything. It's like, I don't care if somebody challenges me, if you argue with me,
00:54:36 like I can be wrong and I want to know why I'm wrong. And so show me, you know, like that's
00:54:42 how I'm with everyone. You get that sometimes that, you know, I'll, I'll, I'll do a video
00:54:45 on whatever. And someone in the comments will say, I can't believe you continue to support Torba.
00:54:51 You know, you continue to be friends with Torba because he believed he said this thing that's
00:54:54 totally wrong. And it just, it always baffles me. It's like, like, you know, my friends often say
00:55:00 things that i wouldn't say what do i like what are you expecting me to do here like
00:55:05 and i think that it's an assumption that if that if there's any conflict whatsoever any difference
00:55:11 between something andrew says or what i say or what you say that that must mean that there's a
00:55:16 problem there between us yeah and actually it could be that maybe i just disagree with andrew
00:55:21 or joel and it's all good you know what i mean yeah i know i know and it's like i can i can get
00:55:27 along with people that have different views than i do it's crazy you know uh but because a good guy
00:55:33 you know yeah and and i think you know people are so very fragile that you have to have a hundred
00:55:40 percent agreement on every possible thing otherwise this this is a bad person yeah um and
00:55:45 yeah i think i think so like what joel's talking about um i think it's a lot of a lot of that where
00:55:52 people are just very sensitive and very insecure um and i don't know if i'm confident in something
00:55:57 i believe like someone disagreeing with me doesn't like make me lose sleep at night you know it
00:56:03 doesn't like rattle my cage at all it's like well we disagree and and that's that you know but i'm
00:56:09 right i think part of what we're putting our finger on is uh the fact that everybody bemoans
00:56:16 you know the problem you know of men leaving the church yeah but i think right now and it's the
00:56:23 mercy of god and his providence i i think god is actually bringing men back to the church yeah and
00:56:28 that a lot of guys who have talked about you know men's departure from the church being a problem
00:56:32 uh what they're quickly realizing is that actually men coming back to the church is the problem
00:56:37 for them yeah yeah it's not a problem for me it's not a problem for you guys yeah but there's a lot
00:56:42 of guys you know that have bemoaned for you know decades you know it's uh the shame you know the 0.87
00:56:47 problem, the danger of the fact that the church is predominantly female. But now when push comes 1.00
00:56:54 to shove, I think they like it predominantly female. Oh, absolutely. 0.55
00:56:58 It serves their purposes.
00:56:59 Absolutely.
00:57:00 Yeah. Out of one side of their mouth, they'll be like, why are all these young guys going to
00:57:03 Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate and all of these non-Christian people? And then out of the other
00:57:08 side of their mouth, they attack these young guys. You're being crude and you're being
00:57:16 optimistic and you sometimes drink alcohol and smoke cigars you want to make money like yeah
00:57:24 yeah you work out all the time and want to that's an idol and like the same side they say that they
00:57:31 attack them and it's like gosh i wonder why they want to go talk to all these or listen to all
00:57:35 these guys and and the the flip side of it is true is like if guys do start to go to church despite
00:57:41 them um when they're there they they don't know what to do with them right right they don't know
00:57:47 what to tell these guys or how to encourage them like you you think about the phenomenon uh for 0.87
00:57:51 like the zoomer male today where it is very difficult to find um a girl to marry yeah right 0.99
00:58:00 extremely difficult and and and it isn't like these young guys are stupid or ugly or lazy or 0.99
00:58:06 whatever whatever else it's just like the girls don't want to marry anybody right it's like the 0.99
00:58:10 incel phenomenon right and and what are these guys gonna say to them yeah with that like there's
00:58:16 plenty of stuff that that we all could say maybe we could do an episode one day about that but
00:58:20 about about this phenomenon why it is and like like foster has good stuff to say about it and
00:58:25 um these guys have no clue about it they're just like well you just need a man up you know man up
00:58:31 and marry one of these good women you know um and and they have no idea what's going on right and
00:58:39 and so i just think about like those guys they're not going to go to those churches where a guy's
00:58:45 going to you know wag his finger at you for liking to lift weights and and it's not because they're
00:58:50 fragile and they can't take correction when it's actually needed but it's because when you know
00:58:54 what's wrong though yeah it's the disparaging it's you know i think of you know the scripture
00:58:58 like fathers do not exasperate your sons yeah i think we're coming off of decades of constant
00:59:04 yeah spiritual fathers exasperating spiritual sons and now you know the sons have grown up and
00:59:10 they're like well i just don't want to be a part of this yeah i don't want to see you and we're 0.94
00:59:13 shocked by that like i'll you know i'll say something you know semi-spicy you know but um
00:59:18 but you know like and i've said he loves the avengers movie i've said it before i never said
00:59:24 i liked it that was still too much your strategy of team that we need teams we gotta think of some
00:59:32 other yeah sure pop culture there's other yeah there's other teams so all that being said the 0.69
00:59:37 point is uh what i was going to say is that you know and hear me out i am not saying that women
00:59:45 are inherently more sinful than men however i will say i will say that um that we are shaped
00:59:55 by not all cultures are equal um and that and that deals with culture that deals with you know
01:00:01 um, that would deal with ethnicity even at a certain level. And that also would deal with,
01:00:06 with gender. So, so if you have one group of the population and you could divide it, you know,
01:00:11 anyway, you can make this, this example could, you know, the multiple examples, you can run the play
01:00:16 multiple ways. If you have one group of the population, um, that is, uh, constantly, you
01:00:21 know, like if they do something wrong, they're praised instead of corrected. Uh, they're able to,
01:00:26 you know, do something wrong without their, with impunity, without there being any consequences.
01:00:31 um and and it's just ignored for years and years and years for whatever reason because there's this
01:00:36 overarching narrative you know that these this group you know for whatever reason have been
01:00:40 victims of the past and blah blah blah and so we're trying to you know to tip the scales and
01:00:44 equal things out well then that group over over time it's not going to happen in a day but over
01:00:49 time that group of people at the level of the heart right genesis 6 still rings true um for
01:00:55 for all people you're totally depraved and one group of people is not more totally depraved than
01:01:00 the other. Inherently, you're both equally sinful. But in terms of outward manifestations of that 0.99
01:01:06 inward sin, one group may have greater degrees and greater frequency of outward expressions of
01:01:14 that inward sin. So at the level of the heart, men and women are equally sinful. But in our current 0.71
01:01:20 moment in Western civilization, I believe that women for at least three generations now, if not 0.99
01:01:28 more have been programmed and trained um incentivized is more uh yeah it's more uh it's 0.75
01:01:37 more acceptable in fact their vices are virtues men's virtues are vices and so right now um and
01:01:43 i think that's what the red pill movement gets right they have no solution um you know other
01:01:48 than angst and bitterness yeah exactly yeah yeah so they have no solution except for you know get
01:01:53 a vasectomy when you're 20 you know and never get married and never have kids you know so i mean
01:01:58 they have it's it's a total black pill it should just be called the black pill movement you know
01:02:02 like there's you know but but on the christian side of the equation christians who know what
01:02:07 time it is and can recognize where you know someone like you know like rollo or whatever
01:02:12 you know andrew tate is right on this but wrong about that um someone like us like we can look
01:02:18 and say you know what um you know i've got a son and and if things don't drastically change in the
01:02:24 next 18 years he's he's one right now uh then yeah we're going to be having some real serious talks
01:02:29 um about about you know what what world he's entering into and i want him to know you're
01:02:35 entering into a world where uh where uh financially uh legally the legal system culturally
01:02:42 religiously 95 of churches um pastors the whole world is against you yeah your sisters the world
01:02:50 is not against them in the way that it's against you well it's against them but in a different way
01:02:54 in a different way yeah it's like yeah you're right yeah but you know and so like you are
01:02:58 in danger like you are in danger and and so i want my son to actually to to grow up and to know that
01:03:04 and so all that being said my point is i you know my wife and i have she 100 agrees with me the women
01:03:10 in my church we've talked about this you know from the pulpit they agree um but i would say right now
01:03:15 in terms of outward expressions of sin at the at the level of the heart it's the same outward 0.95
01:03:19 expression of sin uh women are uh more sinful than men yeah well there you have it uh no no i 0.63
01:03:26 right now i think that i think yeah i think i think you're right in that sense where um the
01:03:33 incentive if if one group is incentivized to sin and told that their sin is a virtue yes they're
01:03:38 going to sin more they're going to other group yes like external yeah external stuff matters i made 1.00
01:03:43 all the caveats yeah it's not inherently they're still gonna clip the level of the heart women are 0.61
01:03:48 not more sinful than men they're gonna clip it sure that's fine yeah but the but the point is
01:03:51 but that that needs to be i think needs to be recognized absolutely and so uh pastorally like
01:03:57 talking about the church talking about you know evangelicalism pastorally um when when people
01:04:03 come to a church you have to recognize that when a man is willing to come to a church and subject
01:04:07 himself to elders and to spiritual hierarchy and authority and not be atomistic so that that's
01:04:12 full circle back to the beginning of the episode. We're saying feminism is a fruit of individualism
01:04:19 at some level. So we broke down the household, became atomistic, individual, instead of the 1.00
01:04:25 molecule of the household, it became the atom of the individual. And that gave us feminism. 0.98
01:04:30 Well, if we're going to combat this, if we're going to chop down Donner's Oak in this regard
01:04:35 of feminism, one of the things that a man needs to be assured of when he comes to a church
01:04:40 is not that he's going to have impunity and that he could do no wrong, but he needs to be assured
01:04:44 that the pastors are going to be in his corner. Like the men who are in my church.
01:04:48 When the rest of the world is against him.
01:04:49 And that means even like with pastoral counseling. So when I do pastoral counseling
01:04:53 and it's 90% of pastoral counseling cases are marriage counseling. There's some kind of conflict
01:04:59 in the marriage. And when I do that, I enter in to that context. Often it's the wife who reaches
01:05:07 out for help but i enter in um to those contexts um with with a blank slate of i'm not most if you
01:05:16 got i would be terrified to ask for uh marriage counseling in most churches yeah yeah you're
01:05:21 shocked when you hear that it's good right yeah right i agree yeah i agree i would be terrified
01:05:26 because it's literally like i if me and my wife have conflict and and my wife is being insubordinate
01:05:31 which my wife is not she's wonderful just for the record but if my wife was being insubordinate and
01:05:37 she was like well i i'm egalitarian and i don't think you know patriarchy is biblical and i think
01:05:42 this and that i would be terrified like because she's like well let's go ask the pastors to be
01:05:48 the tiebreaker right because she's already rejected she thinks we need a tiebreaker because
01:05:51 she's already rejected hierarchy in our home yeah yeah so she's like let's go ask uh the pastors
01:05:56 and i'd be like oh i'm i'm screwed yeah yeah you got no chance no chance yeah yeah oh you're done
01:06:02 and what is that that's back to the whole joseph and pharaoh thing yeah those pastors are saying 0.71
01:06:06 you can't have a household you sir are a slave yeah we can't we have a household and and even
01:06:13 what we have a household and a church we represent our wives and our children and we represent this
01:06:18 church we believe in federal headship and we actually even you know this is typically going
01:06:22 to be a complementarian evangelical church so we believe in federal headship and we believe in male
01:06:26 federal headship but not for all males yeah just for us yeah yeah and that's in the church that's
01:06:32 the world that we're living in so any final comments for this episode yeah i think um the
01:06:37 other thing i mean it's good that you mentioned the the world is is is against the the young men
01:06:42 and that's 100 true but i think in in the other sense uh it's against the the young women as well
01:06:50 i mean i have i have three daughters you have daughters um and i think about it for them as
01:06:55 well what the world is going to be like for them in 20 years because i it would not be good if i'm
01:07:02 thinking about myself if like every every impulse every sin of mine is exalted and justified and
01:07:10 rationalized away and the entire world is on your side in your own sin that's a terrifying place to
01:07:15 be in yeah and that's the world that's been created for young women yeah is anything you
01:07:22 want to do whether sinful or not it's totally open to you and no one's allowed to judge you
01:07:28 and uh you can go do it uh i don't want my daughter to live in a world that way the world is the world
01:07:34 is absolutely against women uh it's not just against men but against them in different ways
01:07:39 the whole point that i was making earlier is i don't have to warn my daughters um about jail
01:07:44 yeah in the way that i would have to yeah so yeah so the world is against my daughters uh the world
01:07:49 wants my daughters in hell yeah exactly so they they want them in in hell for sure yeah uh but
01:07:55 But the world wants my son in hell in the next life 0.99
01:07:58 and in a jail cell in this life.
01:08:00 And in this life too, yeah.
01:08:01 And that's the difference.
01:08:02 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
01:08:03 That I think men need to be aware of.
01:08:05 But yeah, I think the flip side though of it
01:08:08 is like, how do you make it better?
01:08:10 Like, how do you fight this?
01:08:11 And how do you fight trash world?
01:08:13 It's by raising up your daughters to hate it just as much,
01:08:16 to hate a world that says yes to every one of their sins.
01:08:19 Right.
01:08:19 And once you have young women that are like your wife or like my wife, where they want to live in the good and wholesome world that God created, not trash world, well, we have to raise up daughters like that for all these young men.
01:08:37 Right.
01:08:37 They need someone to marry. 1.00
01:08:38 Yeah. 1.00
01:08:38 Yep.
01:08:39 All right.
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