The NXR Podcast - THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - Okay, Maybe Baptists Did Cause Transgenderism

00:00:00.000 We began with all cultures everywhere throughout all of human history implicitly recognizing

00:00:07.880 unique strengths, weaknesses, and the distinct roles and gifts that belong separately to

00:00:13.100 men and women.

00:00:14.100 We have arrived at Rachel Levine.

00:00:18.480 For most people in our culture today, just the thought of there being things that women

00:00:22.700 cannot do that men can, and vice versa, seems no different than doctors draining the body

00:00:27.940 of bad humors with leeches.

00:00:30.000 They say the modern world has bridged the gap.

00:00:33.120 In fact, our medical technology is so advanced that we can even bridge the biological gap between the sexes.

00:00:39.640 Our modern transhumanist world believes it has so effectively cast down the Almighty

00:00:43.960 and has triumphed over His created order so decisively

00:00:47.000 that His very image, man and woman, this thing He has fixed from the beginning, is now permanently abolished.

00:00:54.520 At the very outset of the Enlightenment, when men first believed they had bested God,

00:00:58.580 did the earliest feminists begin to spread their ideas what we currently live in is a product of

00:01:04.080 generations imagining they could recreate the world in our own sinful image transforming the

00:01:09.620 glories of the woman into the shameful things of the man is not an accident it was done by design

00:01:15.540 so one thing that i think it would be helpful to talk about in this episode is um just helping

00:01:26.440 people see because i think you know the the typical normie uh is you know they they red

00:01:31.540 pilled in 2020 and you know for three years now they've they've prided themselves you know and

00:01:37.420 saying i you know i can see you know behind the veil yeah i've seen the wizard of oz uh i i you

00:01:44.100 know i'm in the know uh that things have gotten really bad in the last three years and it's like

00:01:48.740 uh you know like another meme you know like uh you think things have gotten bad in the last three

00:01:52.980 years i think things have gotten bad in the last 300 we are not the same yes you know and so like

00:01:57.380 so i think it'd be really helpful to talk about not even just the last three years but backing

00:02:01.400 up and looking at the 60s and even recognizing that the sexual revolution of the 60s uh even

00:02:07.360 that was not the root but that was the fruit of something that was brewing underneath the surface

00:02:11.500 for a very long time so can we talk about the second great awakening can we talk about where

00:02:15.760 you know the enlightenment those kinds of things like where where did some of this trash world

00:02:19.680 get its start yeah i i think it's it's it's always a question of all right you you focus on it like

00:02:27.700 you said a time period in history where everyone would be like oh the 1960s and 70s that's that's

00:02:32.560 when you know feminism that you know that that particular wave of feminism um came in and that's

00:02:39.440 what everybody focuses on and then everything before that was just fine there weren't any that

00:02:43.640 this didn't exist before that i mean you see that even today with like the trans stuff and and the

00:02:48.820 reaction to it that like anti-woke uh reaction to it um so much of it is we just want to go back

00:02:56.500 to like 2014 ish you know clinton era uh yeah maybe maybe the 1990s you know um but that's

00:03:04.640 good enough and and it's like well no like it didn't just appear out of nowhere randomly um

00:03:12.860 in in you know the late 20 teens and early 2020s it didn't just like poof here it is uh and we just

00:03:20.880 need to go back to right before that it's it's a process things you know things that um you know

00:03:28.280 antecedents that had to be there in order to get transgenderism um had to appear first and you have

00:03:35.020 to you have to cut those things out it's it's almost like you know my um you know my backyard

00:03:41.440 garden at my home if i if i don't like weed it every single day and get these little tiny things

00:03:46.900 that aren't you know they don't have terribly deep roots you can just pluck them with your

00:03:50.400 with two fingers um you know if i don't do that every single day if i come back like five days

00:03:56.120 later a couple you know i'm lazy and take a few days off and all of a sudden there's like a three

00:04:00.420 foot tall you know massive weed uh that has roots like 10 feet down after just a couple days and

00:04:07.980 It's like, I have to, I have to rent equipment to pull that thing out.

00:04:11.580 That's, that's what this is like, where it's like, there are, there are things, there are

00:04:15.140 intellectual movements and ideas where if you, if you nip them in the bud, like if you just,

00:04:21.260 if you cut them out right away, then these horrible, disgusting things don't grow and

00:04:28.260 don't foster.

00:04:28.880 Ideas have consequences, but they also have culmination.

00:04:31.540 Yeah.

00:04:31.840 They have seed form.

00:04:33.420 Yeah, exactly.

00:04:34.180 where they, where they reach their, you know, final form where, I mean, even, even transgenderism

00:04:38.860 probably isn't the final form. It's not the final form, yeah. No, it's close to it, but it's not,

00:04:42.780 you know, it could get worse. And, and so we, we have to go back further and further and further

00:04:50.920 to see, okay, when is it this tiny little, and not just transgenderism, but feminism as well,

00:04:57.040 when is it just this tiny little thing in the ground where I can just easily pluck it out and

00:05:01.080 right throat to the wind um yeah well and that's i think what we should talk about i think

00:05:04.940 transgenderism is one of the and not maybe not the final fruit like you just said but it's one

00:05:09.840 of the final fruits are getting close of the root of feminism so i think there's a straight line

00:05:14.740 from feminism to transgenderism because i think egalitarianism for it to be successful ultimately

00:05:20.960 um equality uh when we speak of equality in those kinds of terms what it demands is androgyny yeah

00:05:28.620 So people think, well, transgenderism, you know, like you own the libs, you know, and say like, oh, isn't this funny that, you know, Leah Thomas, you know, is beating all the, you know, all the chicks and swimming, you know, that kind of stuff.

00:05:41.040 And so you're like this.

00:05:42.620 So on one hand, you know, I think the neocon individual, you know, who red pill three years ago and thinks that the world was fine until then, that person, you know, is owning the libs by saying, you're, you know, you're the real anti-feminist, you know, like you're the real, you know, blah, blah, blah.

00:05:57.200 but we just want to save title nine and it's like right and so what they're saying is that

00:06:01.660 right so they're saying transgenderism is an irony of feminism uh whereas i would say no

00:06:08.760 transgenderism is actually the logical end yeah it's not an irony yeah it's not an irony it's not

00:06:14.300 uh it's not opposing feminism uh it's actually the logical end of what feminism would always

00:06:19.900 was always destined to produce and i think the reason why is because again um i think in order

00:06:25.260 to have um the perfect egalitarian you know equal world uh you need um in order to have perfect

00:06:32.540 equality as the marxist thinks about equality uh you have to have sameness you have to have

00:06:37.700 androgyny so uh you know like i i've always told my church i said you know the goal is not uh to

00:06:43.220 have 5 000 different genders right it's you know two genders then it's three then it's 87 then it's

00:06:48.340 126 134 whatever number we're on now but the goal is uh not to get to 5 000 it's to get to one

00:06:54.820 yeah so the goal is how do we get from two genders to one and the easiest way to do it is not two to

00:07:01.020 one that's that's a that's a hard pill to swallow that probably won't work on the public so what

00:07:05.600 you do is is you go up first and then you go up so far to where just all is just a a mess and just

00:07:12.460 blends together and it becomes one but the goal is androgyny i think feminism has always uh served

00:07:18.660 towards that end and so you know even though it seems like an irony like oh feminism is no longer

00:07:23.940 of the thing now it's transgenderism which flies in the face of feminism i would say no

00:07:27.860 transgenderism is the child of the mother of feminism well yeah the irony too is that i mean

00:07:33.700 you see it a lot online that the the really radical feminists or many of them uh are like

00:07:40.920 anti-trans for the for the same reason where they're like no no this is the no feminism didn't

00:07:46.220 cause transgenderism this is this is attacking us you know they could they're called like turfs

00:07:50.240 right yeah yeah dave chapelle famously said i'm team turf yeah trans exclusion exclusionary uh

00:07:56.700 radical feminist you know that's a harry potter woman uh yeah yeah she's she yeah she is a turf

00:08:03.060 um and and so it it's and they're broken into these two camps whereas other feminists are like

00:08:08.380 no you you're a woman too and we're gonna fight to make sure that you all your rights are protected

00:08:13.980 and things like that and so there's this divide within within that world uh but i i think it is

00:08:19.840 it's obvious there's this this seamless process where if you if you break down all of the social

00:08:25.820 distinctions between men and women that already exist um you know where you have anti-discrimination

00:08:34.480 laws that uh force women into male-only spaces and um where you have you know by by law and then

00:08:43.880 later by custom um everyone just assuming that well we we won't ever have any distinctions

00:08:49.540 between men and women we'll have men and women together in every single thing you know um we'll

00:08:54.740 we won't have you know boys boys sports and girls sports with girl sports or uh or even before that

00:09:01.840 sports were just for boys right like we talked about title nine right we'll have um um now every

00:09:09.040 every boy sport you have you have to have a girl sports that accompanies it and and um we're gonna

00:09:14.540 of mandate this by law right all all sorts of things like that is it um it didn't happen like

00:09:22.520 overnight or out of nowhere like it's this long drawn-out process over the course of of decades

00:09:28.660 and even centuries and uh you remove all of these distinctions in your culture between men and women

00:09:34.220 and then all of a sudden it's like well if men and women are entirely the same other than

00:09:41.320 biologically then well why don't we change them biologically right why don't we make them

00:09:48.880 physically look like one or the other and and that's what that's what happened especially once

00:09:53.580 you um once you know sexual perversion in general begins to be normalized tolerated then normalized

00:10:02.140 and then uh positively exalted uh then that other you know perversion um becomes thinkable

00:10:11.040 as well or at least something you could you know bring out into the public and demand that people

00:10:15.980 accept this now because that's the next thing after after we after we made homosexuality um

00:10:22.060 a a laudable thing that you you by law you have to praise um then it's the very next step is all

00:10:31.140 right now these men who look like women uh dress like women i don't really look like women they

00:10:35.880 act like women yeah now they're going to look like and look like them and women that want to

00:10:40.480 look like you know teenage boys um now now you have to treat them as though they are those things

00:10:47.120 right right or you are in trouble right so let's talk about let's talk about the church let's talk

00:10:53.340 about um the origins of some of these ideas but how the church in many ways hook line and sinker

00:10:59.320 you know took the bait that uh and i'm thinking about you know specifically american church

00:11:05.380 history and like i think it would be helpful to you know you discuss this in your book

00:11:08.920 but to talk about the second great awakening yeah the second great awakening was nothing like

00:11:14.500 the first this isn't you know this isn't george whitfield um you know wesley brothers but that

00:11:20.400 you know charles finney and his conception of revival his conception of christianity

00:11:25.240 his systematic uh that's heretical that he came up with you know these kinds of things

00:11:30.040 and in a lot of ways you know yes we could argue that it was there before you know in a previous

00:11:34.380 episode we talked about how you know in the rome uh roman church and roman catholicism that these

00:11:39.500 things were there very early on with their mariology uh was a big part of it but i think

00:11:44.880 within protestantism uh especially here in america the great awakening seems to be uh seems to be

00:11:51.600 the root of a lot of feminization that that affected the culture but began actually in the

00:11:57.240 house of god yeah i think the the big thing about the second great awakening just as a you know as

00:12:04.140 the the fundamental religious moment in american history uh it is that it uh democratized american

00:12:13.520 religion where whereas and american protestant protestantism in particular it um before that

00:12:21.560 you would you had the various forms of of protestant denominations that all had a very rigid

00:12:29.440 hierarchy right um even even congregationalism still had pastors that were set apart and things

00:12:35.820 like that so uh people maybe would be like oh well there was still congregationalism in in

00:12:40.520 America. Yeah, there was. But even there, it was fairly rigid. You still had families and

00:12:47.480 households where the fathers represented the household. They're the ones that voted in most

00:12:52.080 of the Congregationalist churches and so forth. But then you have Finney and you have the

00:12:58.280 revivalism in Western New York and throughout the frontier during the early part of the 19th

00:13:05.000 century where now it's just individuals and it isn't even really churches it's just these big

00:13:10.560 tent revivals and um all of it's reduced down to individual conversions and there is no there is

00:13:19.500 no discipleship there's no church um it's all just individual people becoming christians and that's

00:13:25.080 that's it pretty straight line from charles finney to billy graham would you say um yeah i i think

00:13:32.280 Well, yes and no. In terms of the methodology, yeah, definitely. I think you have a few different things happen to Protestantism throughout the 19th century in America where you still have your mainline Protestant denominations and the seminaries and big churches that existed.

00:14:02.280 those start to go, you know,

00:14:04.060 they'll start to go very liberal because of the theology coming out of

00:14:08.320 continental Europe.

00:14:10.940 And at the same time, while they're going liberal,

00:14:13.120 they are pushing this kind of utopian progressivism where they,

00:14:17.280 they had a kind of a form of post-millennialism.

00:14:20.800 It's very different than, than, you know, what we think,

00:14:23.860 where we can just produce God's kingdom on earth by transforming men into

00:14:29.940 perfect angels. They don't have to be converted.

00:14:31.900 necessarily to Christ, we'll just pass laws, right? We will just pass laws and we'll reshape

00:14:39.440 society where it's almost revolutionary. It's still the same revolutionary spirit of the age

00:14:43.980 that existed since 1789, where we now know so much more, right? You have this hubris of modern

00:14:52.240 man where we know better, we have science. And so we can reconfigure society to make a perfect

00:14:57.020 society and what we what we need to do is um we need to give voting rights to women we need to

00:15:04.480 ban alcohol we need to um we need to have public education um and even there were some economic

00:15:11.420 ones we need to have a central bank we need to have an income tax and of course they got all

00:15:17.060 those things they got all those things and and there were many um so you have the mainliners

00:15:22.180 on the one hand that are pushing that and pushing this kind of utopian progressivism

00:15:27.320 with kind of Puritan, New England Puritan aspects or heritage. And then you also have

00:15:37.320 the revivalist, who would later be called fundamentalist Christians, that take up a lot

00:15:43.740 of this stuff too. So there's a ton of overlap between the two, even though they're two divergent

00:15:47.840 you know streams and um and this is the the kind of uh cultural and and religious and and social

00:15:58.320 thinking that really came to dominate um america at the late in the late 19th and early 20th century

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00:17:14.340 season today as as i think about it you know theologically uh you know so i was raised not

00:17:20.660 exactly pentecostal i was raised in the vineyard movement so probably like a soft pentecostal the

00:17:25.680 big difference if you think like ag like assemblies of god or you know azusa street revival 1906 and

00:17:31.740 you know there's different ways like you know piper and grudem were famous for saying like

00:17:35.620 in their continuationism a third wave continuationism and a second wave you know in many ways

00:17:41.160 kind of would be like vineyard or four square denomination so the idea classic pentecostalism

00:17:46.460 you know 100 plus years ago was you know that you're baptized um you know baptized with the

00:17:51.880 holy spirit uh with the evidence of speaking in tongues if you don't speak in tongues you don't

00:17:56.720 have the baptism of the holy spirit the baptism of the holy spirit is kind of like uh you know

00:18:00.660 get nerdy nerdy here for a second but it's kind of like uh like going you know being saying and

00:18:05.120 then going super saiyan so like you're a christian like you're saying you know but you know kamehameha

00:18:10.460 like you know if you're gonna go to that next level you know the blonde hair you know the

00:18:14.120 arian race you know the super saiyan like then you know then you need the baptism of the holy

00:18:18.500 spirit and with that you know with that you uh you know you're going to have the evidence the

00:18:23.820 blonde hair you know just just sub that out for speaking in tongues second wave um was more of

00:18:29.460 the idea that well maybe it doesn't come you know the baptism of the holy spirit it's still a

00:18:33.920 subsequent uh event to conversion it happens afterwards but it doesn't necessarily have to

00:18:38.300 come with uh the evidence of speaking in tongues and that was kind of my upbringing uh all that

00:18:42.260 being said the point is still um in in my church experience as you know as a child uh there was a

00:18:49.280 lot of emphasis placed on the altar call and that you know my understanding is that that came directly

00:18:54.120 from finney so finney yeah uh his idea was you know he called it the anxious bench right and so

00:18:59.120 So he's doing these big tent revival meetings, and it's all about decisionism, revivalism,

00:19:04.860 emotionalism.

00:19:05.800 He actually believed, so it was very distinct from the first great awakening, because even

00:19:10.180 on the Wesleyan side of the aisle with John and his brother Charles, even though they

00:19:15.520 were Arminian, unlike Whitefield, they weren't Calvinist, and so they had less of an emphasis

00:19:20.900 on the sovereignty of God as it pertains to conversion, salvation.

00:19:24.380 they still, they were not so man-centered that they thought that you could actually

00:19:29.420 guarantee or force a conversion with the right ingredients in this atmosphere.

00:19:37.100 Like Finney literally thought, like, if you have the music like this, and you have

00:19:40.280 the order of service like that, and you have, you know, and you set up, it's very similar to

00:19:45.800 your modern day megachurch. And then it was all about individual decisions, you know, so every

00:19:50.980 every head bowed and every eye closed you know raise your hand if you want to make a decision

00:19:55.340 for christ i see that hand brother you know that's still very much a southern baptist kind of you

00:19:59.980 know so that's in pentecostalism that you know charismatic world that's also very much in the

00:20:04.300 baptist not the reformed baptist but kind of more anabaptist and you know your typical general

00:20:09.060 baptist world provisionist or armenian whatever with their view of salvation and so the anxious

00:20:14.640 bench and what he would do what finney would do going back to the second great awakening

00:20:17.960 as he would say, you know, if you feel under, you know, under the power of God, the conviction of

00:20:22.800 the spirit, then you need to come down to the anxious bench. And then, you know, and it was

00:20:27.340 like an altar call. And I'm going to just for the next 30 minutes or 45 minutes, I'm going to

00:20:31.280 be preaching directly to you. And he would just look at them in the eyes and, you know, and try

00:20:35.620 to, you know, just, just stir up their soul and try to, and ultimately what it was, was it was

00:20:40.020 emotional manipulation. It was, if I set the ingredients just right, I can produce a decision

00:20:45.540 for Christ. This is a formula. It's a spell that I'm casting, you know? And if I say the words

00:20:52.280 correctly in the spell, then we'll get the result that we want. And so all that, the last thing that

00:20:56.620 I wanted to connect that with is not only is it bad theology, not only is it man-centered rather

00:21:01.620 than God-centered in terms of man's decision versus God's sovereignty, regeneration, perceiving

00:21:07.680 faith but it also uh it moved from the household uh to the individual that for the longest time

00:21:14.900 and all of western society and even just human history as a whole around the world

00:21:19.960 the basic building block of human society was not the individual but the family it was the

00:21:25.540 household yeah um so you think of it like uh if you have you know h2o hydrogen you know and oxygen

00:21:31.540 we don't think of it as you know hydrogen and oxygen you think of it as water you think of it

00:21:37.020 Like, so the, the basic, you know, the, the smallest, the smallest size or metric is not

00:21:43.900 the atom, but it's the molecule.

00:21:46.000 And so the household would be like a molecule.

00:21:49.140 But, but what shifted theologically with the great awakening is, is it started to focus

00:21:53.900 less on the molecule, more on the atom, less on water and more on hydrogen or oxygen, less

00:21:59.120 on the family, the household, and more on the individual.

00:22:02.360 And then that ultimately, absolutely, there's a straight line from that theological transition to a political and cultural way of thinking that now it's, you know, so even with the 19th Amendment and women's suffrage, it was this idea of like, well, you know, for women to have rights, then they must have this inalienable, you know, they're somehow not even a whole person or don't have value and intrinsic value unless they have the right to vote.

00:22:31.720 whereas before we would have said well women are voting the this is the household vote and and when

00:22:38.000 you look at like splitting the household vote with men and women uh there seems to be a direct

00:22:42.820 correlation between that and down the line a little bit further you know getting to no fault

00:22:47.540 divorce yeah you know and all that so all these things are connected so when we talk about feminism

00:22:52.440 today and and it's and it's you know most extreme form currently and not to say it can't get worse

00:22:58.280 But when we think of feminism today and transgenderism, I think we do need to think about the Great Awakening, going from the household to the individual, decisionism versus God's sovereignty and salvation, the idea of women's suffrage, the household vote being viewed as oppressive, misogyny, rather than men lovingly representing their families.

00:23:20.180 all these things are connected and one last piece that i think that's worth fleshing out is

00:23:24.960 um it just doesn't seem like a coincidence to me uh that the same group that's fighting for

00:23:30.220 women's suffrage uh is the same group that's uh fighting to shut down all the bars yeah you know

00:23:35.640 so like can we talk about that a little bit you know the temperance movement and why why was why

00:23:41.100 was the temperance movement was not led by men that's not to say none of them were involved but

00:23:45.400 by and large right this was a female project before before we get into that let me just say

00:23:49.560 this so it sounds like to me what you're saying is that maybe maybe baptists didn't cause transing

00:23:56.820 kids but charles finney did yeah maybe yeah who technically was a presbyterian yeah yeah but he

00:24:06.060 was a bad presbyterian his spiritual children are mostly baptists now so yeah we might even we might

00:24:13.820 even title yeah i told you guys offline but we might even title this episode uh maybe baptists

00:24:19.300 no we may not go that route but here's but here's the deal with that i you know i i do want to say

00:24:26.840 that um if you are shocked and appalled by the idea that the theology of the church would influence

00:24:33.700 the beliefs of the culture then then you've got another thing coming you need to you need to

00:24:39.060 rethink what the church believes good theology has good effects and on the culture even outside

00:24:46.380 of the church, and bad theology has bad effects, and we're not relativists. Somebody's right,

00:24:51.300 somebody's wrong. So, you know, for me, I'm going to say, well, I think credo-baptism is right.

00:24:56.120 However, the notion that a wrong take on baptism could have ripple effects on the culture that

00:25:05.020 are incredibly negative, I'm not offended by that concept at all. Of course that's true.

00:25:10.780 Of course that's true. What are we doing? If we don't think that our theology of the triune God

00:25:16.360 and what we believe about the world that he made

00:25:18.320 and humanity, anthropology, all the,

00:25:20.360 if we don't think that it matters,

00:25:22.380 that's essentially what we're saying.

00:25:23.840 Like, well, that's preposterous to blame,

00:25:26.440 you know, what one group of Christians believes

00:25:29.140 on having a negative effect on the culture.

00:25:31.360 And I'd be like, well, then what your ultimate,

00:25:33.580 so you're saying that to defend the Baptist,

00:25:36.600 to defend their honor,

00:25:38.020 your solution is to say that the church as a whole

00:25:40.880 is impotent?

00:25:42.640 That can't be the solution.

00:25:44.200 Yeah, I think, I mean,

00:25:45.540 I remember when the infamous statement was made.

00:25:49.460 And the idea, I thought at the time, was less, yeah, it's the Baptist's fault.

00:25:56.160 They're the reason why, right?

00:25:58.020 More so, you think about, okay, Baptists are the majority group in America,

00:26:04.080 in American Christianity, for sure.

00:26:06.040 Right.

00:26:06.920 Which is always funny in conversations about Christian nationalists.

00:26:11.120 Yeah.

00:26:11.620 I always tell.

00:26:12.280 Christian nationalists, they're going to drown the Baptists.

00:26:14.140 And it's like, do you know how many Baptists there are in America?

00:26:16.600 I always tell my Baptist brothers, I was like,

00:26:18.580 this is proof of how deep the loser theology goes with Baptists.

00:26:21.820 They outnumber the Presbyterians 10 to 1,

00:26:23.720 and they think that if we had a Christian nation,

00:26:25.320 that they'd still be at the short end of the stitch.

00:26:28.180 Yeah, I know. It's hilarious.

00:26:28.780 You know, it is.

00:26:29.940 And so, you know, so setting that aside, right,

00:26:34.460 you think about, okay, the rationale that most people have

00:26:39.060 for their Baptist theology, rather than the question of,

00:26:43.260 okay, exegetically, is this correct or not?

00:26:46.220 But the mental and emotional rationale

00:26:49.540 that most people give for, well, why are you a Baptist?

00:26:51.780 It's that, well, I need to be able to make a decision

00:26:54.360 to be a Christian.

00:26:57.080 Not, I mean, I could talk to Reformed Baptists

00:26:59.660 and different people where they can say,

00:27:01.600 they can give their rationale and that's not the same.

00:27:03.780 Yeah, but most people aren't like that.

00:27:05.220 It's not decisionist.

00:27:06.500 Exactly.

00:27:06.940 Most of the Baptist theology is based

00:27:09.680 on the same ideas of Charles Finney.

00:27:11.460 Right.

00:27:11.580 that you need to make your own personal decision for christ and your baptism reflects that and

00:27:16.140 that's why the reformed baptists who got you know up in arms and all that like they shouldn't have

00:27:20.160 because that's not what they're not talking about you they're not talking about yeah yeah you you

00:27:23.880 are the minority yeah yeah yeah so you should have maybe just said like you have finney baptist

00:27:29.620 or something it wouldn't have been general baptist most baptists no no one would have cared

00:27:33.820 but uh but yeah that that is where it's like i said democratized where it's it is

00:27:41.580 where American Christianity is just spread out

00:27:45.220 and it's made into this hyper-individualist thing

00:27:48.180 where I need to make my own individual decision,

00:27:50.720 which, I mean, in one sense isn't false.

00:27:53.780 Like each individual person has to have their own faith.

00:27:56.640 No one denies that.

00:27:59.060 It's that this moment of decision

00:28:02.500 is the very most important thing

00:28:04.420 and that you are an individual and it's your own faith

00:28:07.300 and there's no church that you're a part of,

00:28:09.440 there's no family that you're a part of

00:28:10.780 being brought up into it's all just you completely on your own and it's yours exclusively and

00:28:16.620 individually rather than being united to the body of christ and being being brought in together and

00:28:23.180 being a part of it being um being a part of the whole and and uh in this in this very covenantal

00:28:30.880 sense right that you are you're not a mere individual you're an individual but also a part

00:28:35.320 of a people. And so that type of thinking, and you can get to credo-baptism exegetically while

00:28:47.240 still having a covenantal view of the world, but the overwhelming idea is just hyper-individualist,

00:28:55.900 where it's just me, me, me, I'm alone, and that's it, and there's nothing else besides my own

00:29:00.020 individual views and and so the same idea is applied to um electoral politics and voting yep

00:29:06.520 is well i have a right because i'm an individual right so i should get a say in these things

00:29:11.840 and it's like that's not how the country was originally set up yeah they had reasons for that

00:29:18.200 they weren't just because they were just evil jerks these wives were were a member of a household

00:29:23.140 and they were you know submissive to their husbands and their husbands were helping make decisions

00:29:28.440 You know, they were the ones sitting at the gates with the elders and everything like that.

00:29:32.360 And it seems like a very, I mean, maybe it's not a, you know, this causes this, but it's the same idea, essentially.

00:29:40.560 Yeah, absolutely.

00:29:42.200 The danger of centralized power is often represented by the word king.

00:29:47.180 As Americans, we hate the word king.

00:29:50.700 Civilian ownership of body armor is about helping people to have increased power to resist tyrants and criminals.

00:29:58.440 And so Armored Republic is about helping you to preserve your God-given rights

00:30:03.720 to the honor of the Lord Jesus Christ because he is the King of kings

00:30:07.640 and he governs kings and he will judge them.

00:30:11.340 This is Armored Republic and in a republic there is no king but Christ.

00:30:17.320 We are free craftsmen and we are honored to be your Armorsmith choice.

00:30:28.440 part of what we're talking about is federal headship if we're talking about covenant we're

00:30:38.820 talking about you know representation and you know one of the things that i i often say in

00:30:44.300 my preaching with my congregation is is if you don't like federal headship right so you you can't

00:30:49.520 stand the idea that the husband would be the head of his wife that a father would be the head of his

00:30:54.360 family um if if you reject federal headship uh entirely then you you reject the gospel of jesus

00:31:02.060 christ you have no hope of salvation because the only way that anybody is saved is by representation

00:31:07.060 it's by being grafted in to a federal head right so we like we all uh fell in adam he was our first

00:31:15.240 head and he was a bad head you know um but the last adam the final adam christ um that's that's

00:31:22.140 our only hope of salvation. Some people will even say in terms of total depravity or just

00:31:28.180 the fall of man, these kinds of things, they'll say, well, I don't think that's fair. I wish I

00:31:33.540 could have represented myself. I don't like that Adam represented me because I think Adam, he did

00:31:38.220 a terrible job. It's like, well, yeah, he did a terrible job, but it's important for us to

00:31:41.400 remember God is not cruel. God is exceedingly kind and merciful. When he selected our federal

00:31:48.580 head to represent all Adam's posterity, the human race, he picked the best of us, not the worst of

00:31:54.720 us. And he put Adam in the best context he could possibly. Number one, Adam didn't have to resist

00:32:01.560 the temptation to sin as a toddler. That's incredible grace, just right there. So you're

00:32:06.500 starting with a full-grown man, a mature man, and you're starting in a world that has not fallen

00:32:12.660 because of sin. So there's no curse of sin. So you're in a perfect world, a good world,

00:32:18.000 And then even within this good world, there were still wastelands.

00:32:21.080 They weren't sinful, but there were things to be subdued, dominion to be exercised.

00:32:25.500 But Adam, you know, he's formed in the wilderness, but he's placed in a garden.

00:32:29.260 So you have a man, not a baby.

00:32:31.660 You have a garden, not a desert.

00:32:34.840 You have a world unfallen by sin.

00:32:38.100 He's given a helpmate.

00:32:39.740 You know, there's all these different things, all working, even with, you know, the tree.

00:32:43.600 It's like, well, you know, there's one tree that he can't eat from.

00:32:47.000 all the rest are are are good it's it's not the reverse where there's one tree you know that he

00:32:51.600 actually can eat from and everything else is bad you know so at every single level the deck has

00:32:56.820 been stacked in adam's favor and adam's not a dimwit like adam so it's so we all fell in adam

00:33:03.360 um and adam represented us accurately fairly uh we would have if you had been adam if you had been

00:33:10.360 in the garden you would have done uh the same thing and anybody but my point is to say anybody

00:33:15.260 who would want to throw off Adam's federal headship, his representation, they have to

00:33:20.980 recognize that if they're being consistent and saying, well, I don't think that I should be

00:33:24.800 fallen because I reject this system of Adam representing me. Well, then you also don't

00:33:30.040 think that you should be saved because it's the same system. By one man's disobedience,

00:33:34.640 all fell. So by one man's obedience, Romans 5. So that is the system. That's the system for

00:33:42.080 salvation that's a system for uh the covenant of works so if you want to you know if you want to

00:33:46.680 you know be cute and get you know the covenant of life the creational covenant you know but like

00:33:50.780 but that's that is god's system and so to reject that is rejecting god's system that was built to

00:33:56.820 lend towards humanity's good so this is not an god's not an oppressive god this is not an oppressive

00:34:02.900 system but but when you make it all about the individual that will then every single individual

00:34:07.500 must be able to represent themselves.

00:34:09.280 So you have to have the right for women to vote.

00:34:12.300 Everyone has to be able to vote.

00:34:13.680 And I think the reason why this is so deep-seated

00:34:18.380 in the American psyche

00:34:20.600 and the psyche of the American Christian

00:34:22.560 is these concepts of liberalism and egalitarianism

00:34:26.960 and this individualism that is deep in our bones.

00:34:31.700 um we believe that as deeply and even more than we believe the system of doctrine is that's

00:34:41.040 present in the bible that you just explained right because you hear you hear oh someone else

00:34:46.820 has to do it for you right it's not within your own power to save yourself um americans don't

00:34:52.840 want to hear that we want to think no you're an individual you have rights you're capable of you

00:34:57.460 know, picking yourself up by your bootstraps and doing anything. And that's not the world that God

00:35:02.800 built. He didn't build an egalitarian world. He built a world where some people are better than

00:35:07.580 other people at different things. And that's okay, because you're going to be good at the

00:35:11.920 thing you're good at. You're going to have different strengths and weaknesses. And some

00:35:17.720 people are made to be king, and I'm not. And I have to be okay with that, right? Like, we all

00:35:23.460 think they know i get i get to have political power too because i get to vote and it's like

00:35:27.400 some people are made to be slaves i mean people will lose their minds if you hear that you say

00:35:31.920 that some people are slaves by nature yeah people are slaves to their sin i mean that's that's what

00:35:36.980 i mean i talk about the bug man in the book that's what the bug man is is a slave right he gets he has

00:35:43.460 freedom right yeah he can do whatever he can go do whatever he wants right he can change his job

00:35:49.260 but he's still in the same social station,

00:35:51.320 same social class.

00:35:52.620 He's even not, I mean, it's, in some ways,

00:35:56.900 the social conditions are similar

00:35:58.120 to other forms of slavery where he can't really own a home.

00:36:02.180 He can't really get married.

00:36:04.120 They've set it up so, and it's different.

00:36:06.060 It's not that he's not allowed to get married,

00:36:07.460 but they set it up so that nobody gets married.

00:36:09.120 Nobody wants to get married.

00:36:10.020 Rather than permission, it's not that he's not permitted.

00:36:12.320 He's just simply not able.

00:36:14.100 Economically, he's not able to have children.

00:36:17.260 Or not desiring.

00:36:18.080 it's been set up to not even desire to make him not want it you're right yeah not able or not

00:36:22.240 willing yeah you're right and and so it's like oh but i but you get to have as much entertainment

00:36:27.080 as you want you get to watch as much nfl football as you want right to have as many you know ipas at

00:36:32.360 the bar as you want like slaves in the ancient world didn't get to have that and it's like well

00:36:36.200 they got to have things you get to pick your company that's exactly the same as the current

00:36:39.640 company you work for with the exact same job you get to pick between the two but it's the same

00:36:43.160 thing yeah right exactly and somebody else could have you know their you know their job is they're

00:36:48.120 pushing a broom and you think of you know like they can't afford a wife they can't afford kids

00:36:52.400 they can't afford to own a home so that would be like a lower level slave but you think of the

00:36:56.860 ancient world and like there are different tiers of slavery oh yeah you know and so so and you

00:37:01.300 address this like right you know in your book but the idea that like one of the fundamental

00:37:05.440 characteristics of a slave is not poverty it's not that he's poor and it's not even that he has

00:37:11.940 uh no no agency yeah right like slaves you know higher up tier slaves might serve in the house of

00:37:18.600 of a king or a lord yeah voddy bacham said this once upon a time it was a long time ago but i

00:37:24.380 remember reading his book on joseph yeah and he said you know here's the thing about joseph uh

00:37:29.620 even when he's viceroy of all of egypt he said he's he's you know he's the highest authority

00:37:34.560 ranking authority in all of egypt except for pharaoh even then though uh he can't return

00:37:41.240 to his home yeah uh he's still a slave yeah we don't think of that we think like he's king yeah

00:37:46.820 no but in a certain sense he's still like pharaoh still ultimately determines who he can marry

00:37:51.420 yeah uh he determines um rituals and practices and worship um his his uh job schedule all these

00:38:00.140 so he he is a uh he's prosperous yeah he's affluent he's powerful all these had lots of

00:38:06.860 choices but not all the choices right exactly it's right joseph nowhere on the table could

00:38:11.220 joseph say uh hey i'm leaving see that's the thing is how do you know you're a slave uh you

00:38:16.960 know you're a slave uh when you can't leave yeah and you might feel like you can leave because you

00:38:21.840 can walk over here you can walk over there you could go to the bar with your friends you can

00:38:25.660 watch this show or that show. But at the end of the day, Joseph, he may have had a long leash,

00:38:31.600 but he's still on the leash. And at every single point, he's a slave, whether it's in Potiphar's

00:38:36.180 house or whether even the prison. I mean, he works all the way up to where he's the top dog

00:38:42.700 in the prison, but he's still a prisoner. He's still in prison. Same thing. And you think like,

00:38:47.840 man, he went from a prisoner to being a king. No, no, no. He was a top dog in prison, but still

00:38:53.600 prisoner to being the top dog in all of egypt but same principle same system still a slave

00:38:59.140 underneath pharaoh and so you know so one thing you know one characteristic of a slave is that

00:39:03.780 a slave can't leave uh but the second uh characteristic that you outline in the book

00:39:07.880 that i think is really helpful is that typically um slaves they they couldn't have households

00:39:12.760 they may be permitted to marry and may be permitted to have children as joseph was

00:39:17.160 but joseph is a part of pharaoh's household yeah he doesn't have his own household and that's that's

00:39:23.940 the big idea is that if you have a good master if you're a slave you have a good master and you

00:39:27.960 have a wealthy master and a reasonable wise and kind merciful master then you may have a lot of

00:39:34.080 freedoms but you still ultimately belong to his house and just like abraham had 300 you know and

00:39:40.220 it's not like he forbid them all from marrying and forbid them all from procreation or anything

00:39:43.940 part of his house but they're a part of abraham's house yeah they're part of it and that's the one

00:39:48.200 thing in our culture right now that you can't get you think you're free but the hardest thing to get

00:39:54.360 in in in our society as it currently stands is uh is to get a household yeah to get a household

00:40:00.980 and that's not the whole point is that's not an accident yeah that's not it's not an accident that

00:40:07.300 that the hardest thing you can get it you can get a six-figure job yeah um but but you know what

00:40:13.020 that six-figure job requires it requires you to uh not to work at google it requires you to live

00:40:18.400 at google yeah you you are on campus 20 hours a day and that's why they have they have beds there

00:40:23.760 they have you know all these different amenities and entertainment and this and that and like

00:40:28.680 because they want uh you're part of google's household yeah you will not have your own

00:40:33.300 household so you can be rich and be a slave and you can actually be impoverished under certain

00:40:39.460 conditions and be a man and be the head of your household i have a poor household but but this is

00:40:44.900 my household i own property it may not be much but i own property i have a wife i have children

00:40:50.420 they have my name and we're building my legacy god's legacy ultimately but through me we're

00:40:56.800 building our legacy and not somebody else's yeah and and that's uh people need to wake up and

00:41:01.700 realize you know uh you're a slave yeah that's man is a slave yeah and and it because we think

00:41:08.680 oh unless you're in chains and getting whipped and beaten that's not really slavery um how dare

00:41:15.840 you make the comparison right and and it's like no one's no one's comparing and saying those are

00:41:21.460 identical things it's saying that these are the social conditions that exist and it is much more

00:41:27.280 akin to um to the conditions of a slave and and you think you have all sorts of freedom and you

00:41:35.180 don't you don't have freedom even even the freedom to vote right well if you get to vote

00:41:40.780 and nothing ever changes right that it gets better for you right who cares if you get to vote

00:41:46.840 right i mean i i always tell people when it when it comes to like voting i'm like i would give up

00:41:50.820 my right to vote if it meant that you know um we didn't have any more foreign wars yeah and we had

00:41:58.240 a stable dollar and right and like uh and no illegal immigration right if we just completely

00:42:04.940 had closed borders i would rather have i'd give up my right to vote in a heartbeat for that you

00:42:08.980 vote you get all excited about voting for someone but you always end up with john mccain yeah

00:42:13.440 exactly it's the same guy every time yeah it's like oh wow this is democracy great this is awesome

00:42:18.240 like we'd rather live in a christian monarchy uh than trash world democracy yeah and like that's

00:42:24.760 yeah uh what you know going back just for a moment and tying together the temperance uh movement and

00:42:30.140 feminism uh one of the things that you wrote is this the utopian social engineering of temperance

00:42:35.380 was not just about banning alcohol the goal was to take away the important political organizing

00:42:41.260 center of the tavern from their main political foes the urban high church lutheran and catholic

00:42:48.380 immigrants whom they also wished to civilize and so there was there was a strategy there it wasn't

00:42:54.820 just about you know alcohol bad it was also about shutting down um the place where men would gather

00:43:02.520 and there's a rich history of that throughout you know centuries you think of white horse tavern

00:43:06.840 you know or like white horse inn you know or you think of lewis and tolkien and like uh throughout

00:43:11.980 history uh when you look at like where did some of the best ideas come from uh it came from a group

00:43:18.140 of you know a handful of guys in a bar like more often than not you know like this is a really

00:43:22.960 great idea i wonder where it was was first conceived probably in a bar you know there's

00:43:28.220 a decent chance yeah yeah yeah so um well it's interesting i got that um that concept from the

00:43:35.320 the libertarian uh historian and economist marie rothbard right he did he had a long series about

00:43:44.020 the the progressive era and uh he talked about this that it wasn't just that they they wanted to

00:43:51.100 uh outlaw alcohol to fix all of these drunk men and and create these like utopian social conditions

00:43:59.300 there was also it was politically motivated because the the bars and the taverns and and

00:44:04.600 all of this from from these groups of people that opposed um opposed their their political

00:44:10.540 you know ideas um this is where they were gathered to discuss that and discuss the politics and

00:44:15.840 especially like local politics and all of the the local politics revolved around the these kinds of

00:44:21.520 things and fighting you know fighting the temperance movement fighting uh uh the suffragettes

00:44:26.040 and and so forth and as soon as they're able to shut down the bars then they're able to atomize

00:44:32.480 these guys because this is i mean this was like like social media is for us now was the men going

00:44:37.780 there and this is where they would discuss these things so like the group chat that was the group

00:44:41.300 chat was in real life and it was in a in a tavern and they would they would organize and strategize

00:44:46.520 and and that's what they would do um and so it's it's not um a coincidence that like the very that

00:44:53.560 like the great grandchildren of these people now like run the internet and all of the corporations

00:44:59.540 and they want to shut down us being allowed to talk right that's that's not a coincidence that

00:45:05.740 those parallels exist, right? They want to shut down our ability to organize and share ideas and

00:45:12.260 think about these things out loud. And so same playbook. Yep. Yeah, especially, I mean, the

00:45:18.220 parallels are really interesting there because you can imagine those conversations at the tavern

00:45:22.900 were pretty lively and they weren't censored and, you know, people would be screenshotting it. Can

00:45:27.660 you believe what they said? And you know what I mean? Like that kind of thing. Like it's the same

00:45:31.160 kind of thing that not only they don't want you talking about it, but they don't want you talking

00:45:34.180 about it candidly and having a fun time while you're doing it and creating bonds and being

00:45:40.240 friends with people. Or being optimistic. Being optimistic. Maybe even a fight breaks out with

00:45:46.220 your friends afterwards. This is the thing that they want to stop. I mean, you can even see

00:45:51.780 these people online threaten to drop screenshots. You wouldn't believe how they talk in these

00:45:58.800 private groups. It's like, no, I would believe it because this is how I actually talk.

00:46:02.840 yeah all the time you know what i mean yeah well and it seems like one of the you know the common

00:46:09.400 denominator with all that is just uh it's a war against men like what you're trying to get rid of

00:46:16.540 is every single characteristic of masculinity you're trying to get rid of uh leadership courage

00:46:22.800 um i mean even like you know jolly worrying you know being a jolly warrior being uh like all that

00:46:30.640 optimism um a father's laughter uh hope um uh courage bravery uh decision making leadership

00:46:39.660 these like all these things you know are masculine traits and you're basically what you're doing is

00:46:44.460 you're saying that masculinity is uh is sinful uh everything that like everything that stems from

00:46:51.120 masculinity is sinful you need to be domestic domestic you need you need to be um impotent

00:46:57.380 you need to be castrated. You need to be tamed. You need to be tamed. And there is something to

00:47:02.080 be said, like a godly man. It sounds pretty trans to me. I'm not going to lie. Because it's not just

00:47:07.340 women that are doing this. There's a lot of men that kind of take this role to kind of police

00:47:13.700 your speech and police how you're doing it. I mean, I've said this many times, but I interned

00:47:19.040 with Jared C. Wilson and when he disavowed me, one of the things he said that he said,

00:47:25.480 you know adam it's not you know what you're saying it's just that you're having so much fun

00:47:29.580 while you're saying it that that's what they said that's what he said was so sinful about what i was

00:47:32.940 doing and i i when he said that i read that in email because he refused to talk to me he didn't

00:47:39.200 have the stones right yeah but um when i read that email i was just like what kind of a world

00:47:44.900 does this guy want to live in like right you should be not happy to talk well that's that's

00:47:50.400 actually exactly what they want what they want is for you to be i'm afraid to say that you know

00:47:54.860 so-and-so is uh you know getting too woke and you know that sorry i'm really sorry about this

00:47:59.760 very distressed that's what they want disturbed yeah and and and it's just it's it's it's absolutely

00:48:05.580 it's very trans is what it is yeah right i think of that when i think of big eva when i think of

00:48:10.720 gospel coalition i think of russell moore so russell moore david french right that's just

00:48:14.840 women of both sexes right so there is that element but i think with mid eva um i don't

00:48:21.080 think it's necessarily that they're all that they're all um effeminate there's elements of

00:48:26.980 that but they're just to be fair there are times that i'm effeminate you know and i have to repent

00:48:30.800 of that and i need to grow yeah i can confirm that but yeah but um we'll just move right along

00:48:36.860 but can you bring up marvel you know

00:48:39.220 i did say that marvel's fake and gay that's right so you're working on it okay i'm working on it

00:48:46.760 But the point is this, the point is that some of the medieval types are not, it's not just effeminacy, you know, the women who are both sexist kind of thing.

00:48:55.760 Some of these guys really are like, by God's grace, they really are masculine.

00:48:59.640 So their problem is not that they're the school marm.

00:49:02.560 Well, actually they are, but it's not.

00:49:04.380 Well, it's kind of disfigured though.

00:49:05.800 So they're like, they are masculine in many ways, in many areas, but they have like, they've chopped off a little bit here and maybe changed it a little, you know what I mean?

00:49:14.780 right what i'm saying is and they have to repress it they're the yeah actively what i'm saying is

00:49:18.340 they're the slave owners they actually are masculine but they want to take everyone else

00:49:23.420 who's masculine and treat them like a slave so like so only a few men so there's a lot of men

00:49:29.000 right so so going back to the ancient world lots of men let's say 50 women 50 men but it's not 50

00:49:35.360 heads of households only a few of those men can actually be heads of households yeah the other

00:49:40.580 men um are allowed to be masculine in some capacity but they're not allowed to to be self-ruled men

00:49:47.760 they're not allowed to have their own household they're not and so i and i think that's how mid

00:49:51.760 eva so big eva is let's just get rid of men all together and let's just have women with both sexes

00:49:56.220 uh everything that is feminine is a virtue everything that's masculine is a vice that's

00:50:00.440 how i think of big eva russell moore types but within mid eva uh they would actually be able

00:50:06.060 authentically it's not hypocrisy authentically they would be able to write a book about how

00:50:10.280 masculinities under attack and and and i and and it wouldn't just be a weak book either i'd be able

00:50:16.140 to read it and say yeah i said that on a podcast uh yesterday that same thing good on you yeah

00:50:21.080 but here's the one problem the one problem is that when i said on a podcast you blocked me

00:50:26.060 and and and you and you actually you shared it to your legions of female followers to say look

00:50:31.820 at this patriarch and i like and i almost i almost uh just said exactly verbatim what you said yeah

00:50:39.860 but so so there's an element of like okay you you can't be masculine but there's also an element i

00:50:45.960 think in the church world today which is uh you can be masculine but only a few of us the rest

00:50:51.660 of you are slaves because you didn't pay your dues you're not good company men you didn't go

00:50:56.560 to the right seminary you haven't served in you know in this pastoral internship you didn't kiss

00:51:01.160 the ring whatever the reasons might be you know but but but yeah the rest of the bottom line is

00:51:05.620 right so you're a plat you're just platform building it's like well everybody has a platform

00:51:09.340 it was built by that's just stupid yeah john mccarthur built a platform it's like well no he

00:51:13.880 didn't he was just that talented somebody recorded those sermons yeah right and and he at some point

00:51:19.640 gave someone permission to turn on a camera yeah right so like there you go so everybody builds a

00:51:25.040 platform uh it's not that you guys are grifters and building platforms and it's nefarious and

00:51:29.860 it's sinister. It's like, no, well, you built a platform too. It's what you're doing. It's

00:51:35.200 gatekeeping. It's just only some people are allowed to write a book about masculinity.

00:51:38.920 There's a lot going on psychologically with that behavior. I don't really know all the details,

00:51:42.580 but it's definitely gatekeeping for sure. Oh, yeah. So all that being said, my point is just

00:51:46.960 to say that we need masculinity. We don't need the school marm. We don't need the temperance,

00:51:52.880 you know, suffrage. We don't need the feminization of the church, the feminization of culture.

00:51:59.860 But we also, I think if you're going to have masculinity,

00:52:02.680 one of the things that you have to do

00:52:03.900 is not disparage men, especially young men.

00:52:07.300 That's what the whole time

00:52:08.220 that I'm trying to build up to

00:52:09.640 is to say that like, if you want masculinity,

00:52:13.500 one of the things that you have to allow for

00:52:16.620 is masculinity.

00:52:18.640 And I think some of these guys-

00:52:20.100 It sometimes is messy.

00:52:20.880 They actually do have a biblical view of masculinity,

00:52:23.240 at least 90%.

00:52:24.740 Maybe we quibble on a few things,

00:52:26.520 but but they're they actually have a a right biblical conception of masculinity the problem

00:52:31.560 is that they don't actually allow all men to achieve it you're you're not allowed to be

00:52:37.320 masculine unless you've jumped through these hoops and done this thing you can't say that why because

00:52:42.100 it was harsh well but dude you said the exact same thing last week last week so it can't be that this

00:52:48.960 is objectively uh harsh and in tone it like it's it's got to be uh it's got to be at some level

00:52:55.300 You don't want every man to be a strong masculine head of his own household, building institutions to the glory of God and doing this.

00:53:06.100 No, you only want a few men able to do that.

00:53:08.760 Well, I think part of the reason why is for that phenomenon is if you have men who are masculine, are bold and assertive and say what they think, you're going to have guys that are not going to agree with you from time to time.

00:53:26.580 Right.

00:53:26.840 And they're going to tell you that publicly, out loud, and you're going to have conflict because you have other men.

00:53:34.600 And so, so many, so many guys like this, I think are so conflict averse.

00:53:38.420 they're just used to saying a thing and then everyone following suit and doing what they say

00:53:42.520 that they don't want the combat. They don't want, and it doesn't even need to be acrimonious. It

00:53:49.120 could be, well, I think this. And then you say, well, I think the other thing. And then you try

00:53:54.140 to persuade them or they try to persuade you. They don't want that. They want to just have yes

00:53:58.560 men that say, oh, you're in charge. I'll think what you tell me to think. I think that's a big

00:54:04.680 part of it is if you raise up masculine men, especially masculine young men, and allow them

00:54:11.380 to flourish in what God made them, then you're going to have people that are going to elbow you

00:54:21.920 around a little bit and scuffle with you from time to time. And you don't want that. You want

00:54:26.940 your little fiefdom so that nobody's going to challenge it. And it's like, that's not any way

00:54:32.440 to, to do anything. It's like, I don't care if somebody challenges me, if you argue with me,

00:54:36.780 like I can be wrong and I want to know why I'm wrong. And so show me, you know, like that's

00:54:42.580 how I'm with everyone. You get that sometimes that, you know, I'll, I'll, I'll do a video

00:54:45.880 on whatever. And someone in the comments will say, I can't believe you continue to support Torba.

00:54:51.620 You know, you continue to be friends with Torba because he believed he said this thing that's

00:54:54.820 totally wrong. And it just, it always baffles me. It's like, like, you know, my friends often say

00:55:00.800 things that i wouldn't say what do i like what are you expecting me to do here like

00:55:05.100 and i think that it's an assumption that if that if there's any conflict whatsoever any difference

00:55:11.760 between something andrew says or what i say or what you say that that must mean that there's a

00:55:16.620 problem there between us yeah and actually it could be that maybe i just disagree with andrew

00:55:21.300 or joel and it's all good you know what i mean yeah i know i know and it's like i can i can get

00:55:27.740 along with people that have different views than i do it's crazy you know uh but because a good guy

00:55:33.160 you know yeah and and i think you know people are so very fragile that you have to have a hundred

00:55:40.060 percent agreement on every possible thing otherwise this this is a bad person yeah um and

00:55:45.560 yeah i think i think so like what joel's talking about um i think it's a lot of a lot of that where

00:55:52.020 people are just very sensitive and very insecure um and i don't know if i'm confident in something

00:55:57.700 i believe like someone disagreeing with me doesn't like make me lose sleep at night you know it

00:56:03.580 doesn't like rattle my cage at all it's like well we disagree and and that's that you know but i'm

00:56:09.640 right i think part of what we're putting our finger on is uh the fact that everybody bemoans

00:56:16.540 you know the problem you know of men leaving the church yeah but i think right now and it's the

00:56:23.020 mercy of god and his providence i i think god is actually bringing men back to the church yeah and

00:56:28.100 that a lot of guys who have talked about you know men's departure from the church being a problem

00:56:32.320 uh what they're quickly realizing is that actually men coming back to the church is the problem

00:56:37.580 for them yeah yeah it's not a problem for me it's not a problem for you guys yeah but there's a lot

00:56:42.040 of guys you know that have bemoaned for you know decades you know it's uh the shame you know the

00:56:47.100 problem, the danger of the fact that the church is predominantly female. But now when push comes

00:56:54.520 to shove, I think they like it predominantly female. Oh, absolutely.

00:56:58.560 It serves their purposes.

00:56:59.620 Absolutely.

00:57:00.100 Yeah. Out of one side of their mouth, they'll be like, why are all these young guys going to

00:57:03.000 Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate and all of these non-Christian people? And then out of the other

00:57:08.540 side of their mouth, they attack these young guys. You're being crude and you're being

00:57:16.920 optimistic and you sometimes drink alcohol and smoke cigars you want to make money like yeah

00:57:24.800 yeah you work out all the time and want to that's an idol and like the same side they say that they

00:57:31.160 attack them and it's like gosh i wonder why they want to go talk to all these or listen to all

00:57:35.140 these guys and and the the flip side of it is true is like if guys do start to go to church despite

00:57:41.040 them um when they're there they they don't know what to do with them right right they don't know

00:57:47.440 what to tell these guys or how to encourage them like you you think about the phenomenon uh for

00:57:51.460 like the zoomer male today where it is very difficult to find um a girl to marry yeah right

00:58:00.220 extremely difficult and and and it isn't like these young guys are stupid or ugly or lazy or

00:58:06.080 whatever whatever else it's just like the girls don't want to marry anybody right it's like the

00:58:10.280 incel phenomenon right and and what are these guys gonna say to them yeah with that like there's

00:58:16.780 plenty of stuff that that we all could say maybe we could do an episode one day about that but

00:58:20.920 about about this phenomenon why it is and like like foster has good stuff to say about it and

00:58:25.720 um these guys have no clue about it they're just like well you just need a man up you know man up

00:58:31.920 and marry one of these good women you know um and and they have no idea what's going on right and

00:58:39.500 and so i just think about like those guys they're not going to go to those churches where a guy's

00:58:45.740 going to you know wag his finger at you for liking to lift weights and and it's not because they're

00:58:50.500 fragile and they can't take correction when it's actually needed but it's because when you know

00:58:54.480 what's wrong though yeah it's the disparaging it's you know i think of you know the scripture

00:58:58.160 like fathers do not exasperate your sons yeah i think we're coming off of decades of constant

00:59:04.420 yeah spiritual fathers exasperating spiritual sons and now you know the sons have grown up and

00:59:10.380 they're like well i just don't want to be a part of this yeah i don't want to see you and we're

00:59:13.900 shocked by that like i'll you know i'll say something you know semi-spicy you know but um

00:59:18.540 but you know like and i've said he loves the avengers movie i've said it before i never said

00:59:24.620 i liked it that was still too much your strategy of team that we need teams we gotta think of some

00:59:32.700 other yeah sure pop culture there's other yeah there's other teams so all that being said the

00:59:37.220 point is uh what i was going to say is that you know and hear me out i am not saying that women

00:59:45.340 are inherently more sinful than men however i will say i will say that um that we are shaped

00:59:55.000 by not all cultures are equal um and that and that deals with culture that deals with you know

01:00:01.360 um, that would deal with ethnicity even at a certain level. And that also would deal with,

01:00:06.480 with gender. So, so if you have one group of the population and you could divide it, you know,

01:00:11.940 anyway, you can make this, this example could, you know, the multiple examples, you can run the play

01:00:16.060 multiple ways. If you have one group of the population, um, that is, uh, constantly, you

01:00:21.960 know, like if they do something wrong, they're praised instead of corrected. Uh, they're able to,

01:00:26.780 you know, do something wrong without their, with impunity, without there being any consequences.

01:00:31.360 um and and it's just ignored for years and years and years for whatever reason because there's this

01:00:36.340 overarching narrative you know that these this group you know for whatever reason have been

01:00:40.600 victims of the past and blah blah blah and so we're trying to you know to tip the scales and

01:00:44.860 equal things out well then that group over over time it's not going to happen in a day but over

01:00:49.560 time that group of people at the level of the heart right genesis 6 still rings true um for

01:00:55.840 for all people you're totally depraved and one group of people is not more totally depraved than

01:01:00.140 the other. Inherently, you're both equally sinful. But in terms of outward manifestations of that

01:01:06.920 inward sin, one group may have greater degrees and greater frequency of outward expressions of

01:01:14.720 that inward sin. So at the level of the heart, men and women are equally sinful. But in our current

01:01:20.840 moment in Western civilization, I believe that women for at least three generations now, if not

01:01:28.980 more have been programmed and trained um incentivized is more uh yeah it's more uh it's

01:01:37.020 more acceptable in fact their vices are virtues men's virtues are vices and so right now um and

01:01:43.840 i think that's what the red pill movement gets right they have no solution um you know other

01:01:48.360 than angst and bitterness yeah exactly yeah yeah so they have no solution except for you know get

01:01:53.160 a vasectomy when you're 20 you know and never get married and never have kids you know so i mean

01:01:58.380 they have it's it's a total black pill it should just be called the black pill movement you know

01:02:02.600 like there's you know but but on the christian side of the equation christians who know what

01:02:07.140 time it is and can recognize where you know someone like you know like rollo or whatever

01:02:12.200 you know andrew tate is right on this but wrong about that um someone like us like we can look

01:02:18.280 and say you know what um you know i've got a son and and if things don't drastically change in the

01:02:24.300 next 18 years he's he's one right now uh then yeah we're going to be having some real serious talks

01:02:29.820 um about about you know what what world he's entering into and i want him to know you're

01:02:35.680 entering into a world where uh where uh financially uh legally the legal system culturally

01:02:42.560 religiously 95 of churches um pastors the whole world is against you yeah your sisters the world

01:02:50.800 is not against them in the way that it's against you well it's against them but in a different way

01:02:54.940 in a different way yeah it's like yeah you're right yeah but you know and so like you are

01:02:58.860 in danger like you are in danger and and so i want my son to actually to to grow up and to know that

01:03:04.720 and so all that being said my point is i you know my wife and i have she 100 agrees with me the women

01:03:10.020 in my church we've talked about this you know from the pulpit they agree um but i would say right now

01:03:15.180 in terms of outward expressions of sin at the at the level of the heart it's the same outward

01:03:19.960 expression of sin uh women are uh more sinful than men yeah well there you have it uh no no i

01:03:26.680 right now i think that i think yeah i think i think you're right in that sense where um the

01:03:33.400 incentive if if one group is incentivized to sin and told that their sin is a virtue yes they're

01:03:38.660 going to sin more they're going to other group yes like external yeah external stuff matters i made

01:03:43.760 all the caveats yeah it's not inherently they're still gonna clip the level of the heart women are

01:03:48.020 not more sinful than men they're gonna clip it sure that's fine yeah but the but the point is

01:03:51.780 but that that needs to be i think needs to be recognized absolutely and so uh pastorally like

01:03:57.540 talking about the church talking about you know evangelicalism pastorally um when when people

01:04:03.300 come to a church you have to recognize that when a man is willing to come to a church and subject

01:04:07.440 himself to elders and to spiritual hierarchy and authority and not be atomistic so that that's

01:04:12.820 full circle back to the beginning of the episode. We're saying feminism is a fruit of individualism

01:04:19.060 at some level. So we broke down the household, became atomistic, individual, instead of the

01:04:25.740 molecule of the household, it became the atom of the individual. And that gave us feminism.

01:04:30.980 Well, if we're going to combat this, if we're going to chop down Donner's Oak in this regard

01:04:35.020 of feminism, one of the things that a man needs to be assured of when he comes to a church

01:04:40.280 is not that he's going to have impunity and that he could do no wrong, but he needs to be assured

01:04:44.220 that the pastors are going to be in his corner. Like the men who are in my church.

01:04:48.300 When the rest of the world is against him.

01:04:49.560 And that means even like with pastoral counseling. So when I do pastoral counseling

01:04:53.760 and it's 90% of pastoral counseling cases are marriage counseling. There's some kind of conflict

01:04:59.340 in the marriage. And when I do that, I enter in to that context. Often it's the wife who reaches

01:05:07.280 out for help but i enter in um to those contexts um with with a blank slate of i'm not most if you

01:05:16.700 got i would be terrified to ask for uh marriage counseling in most churches yeah yeah you're

01:05:21.580 shocked when you hear that it's good right yeah right i agree yeah i agree i would be terrified

01:05:26.160 because it's literally like i if me and my wife have conflict and and my wife is being insubordinate

01:05:31.940 which my wife is not she's wonderful just for the record but if my wife was being insubordinate and

01:05:37.080 she was like well i i'm egalitarian and i don't think you know patriarchy is biblical and i think

01:05:42.800 this and that i would be terrified like because she's like well let's go ask the pastors to be

01:05:48.040 the tiebreaker right because she's already rejected she thinks we need a tiebreaker because

01:05:51.380 she's already rejected hierarchy in our home yeah yeah so she's like let's go ask uh the pastors

01:05:56.060 and i'd be like oh i'm i'm screwed yeah yeah you got no chance no chance yeah yeah oh you're done

01:06:02.080 and what is that that's back to the whole joseph and pharaoh thing yeah those pastors are saying

01:06:06.380 you can't have a household you sir are a slave yeah we can't we have a household and and even

01:06:13.820 what we have a household and a church we represent our wives and our children and we represent this

01:06:18.220 church we believe in federal headship and we actually even you know this is typically going

01:06:22.300 to be a complementarian evangelical church so we believe in federal headship and we believe in male

01:06:26.780 federal headship but not for all males yeah just for us yeah yeah and that's in the church that's

01:06:32.460 the world that we're living in so any final comments for this episode yeah i think um the

01:06:37.120 other thing i mean it's good that you mentioned the the world is is is against the the young men

01:06:42.280 and that's 100 true but i think in in the other sense uh it's against the the young women as well

01:06:50.080 i mean i have i have three daughters you have daughters um and i think about it for them as

01:06:55.520 well what the world is going to be like for them in 20 years because i it would not be good if i'm

01:07:02.120 thinking about myself if like every every impulse every sin of mine is exalted and justified and

01:07:10.560 rationalized away and the entire world is on your side in your own sin that's a terrifying place to

01:07:15.620 be in yeah and that's the world that's been created for young women yeah is anything you

01:07:22.920 want to do whether sinful or not it's totally open to you and no one's allowed to judge you

01:07:28.140 and uh you can go do it uh i don't want my daughter to live in a world that way the world is the world

01:07:34.260 is absolutely against women uh it's not just against men but against them in different ways

01:07:39.480 the whole point that i was making earlier is i don't have to warn my daughters um about jail

01:07:44.480 yeah in the way that i would have to yeah so yeah so the world is against my daughters uh the world

01:07:49.600 wants my daughters in hell yeah exactly so they they want them in in hell for sure yeah uh but

01:07:55.160 But the world wants my son in hell in the next life

01:07:58.480 and in a jail cell in this life.

01:08:00.400 And in this life too, yeah.

01:08:01.540 And that's the difference.

01:08:02.720 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

01:08:03.880 That I think men need to be aware of.

01:08:05.260 But yeah, I think the flip side though of it

01:08:08.980 is like, how do you make it better?

01:08:10.260 Like, how do you fight this?

01:08:11.880 And how do you fight trash world?

01:08:13.100 It's by raising up your daughters to hate it just as much,

01:08:16.860 to hate a world that says yes to every one of their sins.

01:08:19.800 Right.

01:08:19.940 And once you have young women that are like your wife or like my wife, where they want to live in the good and wholesome world that God created, not trash world, well, we have to raise up daughters like that for all these young men.

01:08:37.160 Right.

01:08:37.580 They need someone to marry.

01:08:38.700 Yeah.

01:08:38.960 Yep.

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