In this episode, we talk about the normalization of UFO sightings and encounters in the modern era, and how the idea of UFOs has become more mainstream than it has ever been before. We discuss the role of the media and the way in which UFO sightings have become more common, and the role the government has played in normalizing them.
00:00:00.880There is one dominant concept within the realm of ufology which describes a specific type of extraterrestrial being.
00:00:10.020They are often depicted as small, hairless, humanoid creatures with large heads, almond-shaped eyes, and gray-colored skin.
00:00:19.520This depiction gained prominence in the latter half of the 20th century through various accounts of alleged alien encounters and abductions.
00:00:28.680The concept of the Greys has been popularized in a plethora of books, movies, television shows, and other media contributing to its widespread recognition in popular culture.
00:00:42.660While most believe that these extraterrestrial beings are purely speculative, there remains
00:01:09.920this is episode seven now, talking a little alien, UFO, extraterrestrial. You're kind of
00:01:18.540going to lead the way on this one, Jeremiah. You've done some study on this.
00:01:22.100Yeah, cueing the X-Files theme. Yeah, it's very interesting. This would be one example of just
00:01:30.240the normalization of something that used to be considered the fringe. Just 20 to 30 years ago,
00:01:36.780It seemed to be that the conversation regarding UFOs, alien calendars were referred to nerds in their basements and maybe fans of the X-Files.
00:01:51.920There's many reasons for that, including a lot of governmental operations to try and gaslight people who believe authentically in UFOs and to make them seem like crazy people.
00:02:02.880There is actually governmental psyops that had to do with that.
00:02:06.220But I want to talk about really the normalization, like how did it become normalized?
00:02:10.840Anybody who's watching this has probably seen people like Tucker Carlson or even Donald Trump spoke about it.
00:02:18.400And you've seen it regularly on the news about these disclosures.
00:02:22.580And sometimes, many times, especially since we have a Democratic administration, anybody in the conservative field tends to blow it off.
00:02:29.080Like, oh, they're just trying to do a distraction.
00:02:31.960But the reality is that this has been something that every administration, even people like Ronald Reagan have dealt to deal with, whether it's Republican or Democrat, going back, spanning back multiple different administrations.
00:02:46.300But really, in modern times, the way that it's gotten normalized was by way of a band, a very popular band, some of you may have heard of, called Blink-182, the guitarist Tom DeLonge.
00:03:00.820He got very involved. He showed up on the Joe Rogan experience probably around 2015, 2016, and I remember when he went on there and he was claiming that he was in contact with government officials and that he was working along with them to help disclose to the public because the government has not always had the greatest reputation of transparency in regards to not just the UFO conversation,
00:04:46.000We've had multiple people, including military officials, pilots, who've had encounters with some sort of, they used to be called UFOs, they've now changed it to something known as UAPs, which is Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.
00:05:04.160And what you'll see is many a times different shapes in the sky that are seen to be notably physical that are showing up on usually cameras that are made for heat sensors.
00:05:31.600I can't remember the exact plane that he was flying.
00:05:33.820It was a military plane, and his name was Commander David Frazier, and he had this Tic-Tac encounter, and it was operating in a body of water.
00:05:45.660It was right around the San Diego area.
00:05:47.820That's a military—have you ever been to San Diego on Coronado Island?
00:05:50.320You always see jets flying back and forth.
00:05:53.780And this encounter, they encountered something that was moving at very high rates of speed, and it was awesome,
00:06:00.980but it was making changes in such a way that you could even argue say it was to find the laws of
00:06:07.460physics, but it was something that was tangibly physical. And what is very interesting is that
00:06:13.460there is not just this physical component of what people are seeing when it comes to these
00:06:18.940objects in the sky that is now being regularly verified. There's even people like Senator Marco
00:06:25.200Rubio, who has really pushed a lot of legislation about UFO transparency. So people who are
00:06:32.380military officials, who are pilots, where they can now give a testimony without really being
00:06:40.220demonized or being gaslit to say, oh, that's just some sort of self-psychosis. You can't really
00:06:45.560come forward with that. It's going to make us look bad just because they want to bring out to
00:06:50.300the public and try and have more transparency regarding that. But when it comes to these
00:06:54.800encounters, and this is actually depicted in one of the documentaries on the History Channel that
00:06:59.440Tom DeLonge helped produce as part of this UFO disclosure, is that I believe the series is called
00:07:05.520Unidentified. And they're interviewing different people. And a lot of times, I think there was
00:07:10.520someone in Operation Desert Storm and somebody, I believe, it didn't reference the war, I believe
00:07:15.680it would have been the Iraq war, the war on terror, where somebody was out in the desert
00:07:21.260and they saw this unidentified aerial phenomena in the sky. Normally what happens, the fruit of
00:07:28.140this is why this conversation is important, is that when it comes to UFO disclosures and the
00:07:35.120interest in unidentified aerial phenomena, the interest that comes as a byproduct of that is not
00:07:42.880how can we get this evolved technology? How can we make, how can we take whatever the materials
00:07:48.160and the elements are from these crafts to help improve our lives? The question always inherently
00:07:53.160goes to spirit, being spiritual. The one thing that I remember in seeing this interview, this
00:08:00.460military person, and I think it was a military police where you saw this unidentified aerial
00:08:06.300phenomenon. This person grew up as a, as an evangelical Christian. And this experience of
00:08:11.320seeing this object in the sky, it completely shattered and deconstructed. He just almost
00:08:18.040pretty much, he said, lost his faith because he did not know what to do with this object in the
00:08:24.420sky and how to give an accounting for it. And I think as Christians, though, we have to,
00:08:30.640we're embracing, we don't believe, we don't look at the world with neutrality. We believe that all
00:08:37.080things are created by Christ and for Christ. So, whatever this unidentified aerial phenomena in
00:08:42.280the sky is, we have to say, okay, this falls under the sphere of the authority of Jesus Christ
00:08:50.060as he upholds the universe by the word of his power. So, as Christians, we have to look through
00:08:55.240that lens and give an accounting, and we have to, we can't, this is something we shouldn't shy away
00:09:00.300from, we should embrace this and ask the difficult questions. Because where the UFO conversation
00:09:07.400always go to, it goes to initially the interest in the unidentified feral phenomena. It always
00:09:15.060becomes a catalyst to get in contact with the people behind the craft, which is aliens,
00:09:22.620which is alien contact. But what you end up seeing is that where it always goes to is trying
00:09:30.040to contact another dimension, trying to contact the other side, the means in how you communicate
00:09:37.320with these aliens is through occultic practices.
00:11:45.620Yeah, I find that probably the most interesting thought within this whole UAP discussion or the Greys is that typically it's the atheistic materialist who, if they have a vision, right, they see something that they would assume is from another planet, somewhere else in the universe that's more advanced than them, right?
00:12:06.360So if we're thinking in terms of Charles Darwin, well, who's going to know more about the spiritual?
00:12:11.560Humanity or something that's way more advanced than humanity?
00:12:13.760Well, obviously, if they're way more advanced than humanity, they can travel thousands of light years way faster than we can.
00:12:18.880We automatically should adopt whatever spirituality that they hold.
00:12:24.520And I think that the grays play on that, right?1.00
00:12:27.220Because if it is atheistic materialism, if it is evolution in the sense that there's other life forms that have developed through billions of years throughout the galaxy, then essentially what we believe about God and creation is wrong, right?0.96
00:17:06.820If they're not, all right, so with that question, yes or no.
00:17:09.940if they're not fallen, meaning they never sent against God, they didn't have a fall. If they're
00:17:15.740not fallen, then this isn't the strongest argument, and I'm willing to admit that, but
00:17:20.800at some level, it seems a bit redundant. If they're not fallen, then what purpose do they
00:17:28.340serve? Because they don't exist, therefore, if they're not fallen, as an opportunity to magnify
00:17:34.080the grace and mercy of God and the gospel of Jesus Christ. Now, that said, that doesn't mean
00:17:38.900that there's no purpose for a being, an unfallen being, because we have a Christian category for
00:17:43.760that. They're called angels, you know, the two thirds of the angels that never fell. But if we
00:17:48.980already have the two thirds of the angels that never fell, and I would argue biblically even
00:17:52.420different classifications among angelic beings of like cherubim and seraphim and the four living
00:17:57.620creatures covered in eyes, you know, and then 24 elders on 24 thrones and, you know, and all that.
00:18:04.120And then in addition to like Gabriel and Michael and certain messenger angels, if we already have all that and then archangels, we already have multiple species, if we could call it that, or at least subspecies of unfallen, sentient, high intelligence beings that exist for the purpose of serving God, glorifying God, worshiping God.
00:18:29.000And some, I don't think all, but some angels, like Gabriel, messenger angels, they also exist for the purpose of serving those who are to inherit salvation as ministry and spirits.
00:18:45.180So to say like, okay, we already have all these angels, as many as God determined, as many as he wanted, to worship him as unfallen beings, to worship him and to serve him.
00:18:54.000but then also we we need uh planets xrp uh four 47 dash uh five over here in this galaxy to have
00:19:05.680the same thing to have an unfallen high so you see my point so then the other option is okay so
00:19:12.460if there is aliens high intelligence sentient beings i'm not talking about single-celled
00:19:17.820organisms or even beast or animals. I'm open to that. But humanoids, if there are humanoids in
00:19:24.960the cosmos, the universe, somewhere else, if they're not fallen, I just, we've already got
00:19:31.740angels. It just doesn't make a ton of sense. If they are fallen, so then that's the only other
00:19:35.960option. This is where I'll land the plane. If they are fallen, then that would be theologically
00:19:41.360a category that is unique in the sense that if they are fallen, they are fallen and God
00:19:49.940has sovereignly determined that they would never be redeemed.
00:19:53.960And this is why, because of the hypostatic union, when you think of Christ, so you have
00:20:00.820one God, one essence being, three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
00:20:06.600but then within the second person of the Trinity, Christ, we have two natures. Now the divine can
00:20:14.200take upon itself another nature, namely the human nature. And that's not a kenosis theology where
00:20:21.080the divine is emptied. Philippians talks about he emptied himself. Well, the wording there,
00:20:26.880what that means is it's subtraction by addition. It's not a true emptying. It's not as though
00:20:33.620Jesus in his earthly ministry and in the incarnation put his divinity on pause, that he
00:20:40.540was no longer divine, that it all was taken out of him and he was just man for a while. No, no,
00:20:48.240he's still fully divine. This idea of him emptying, that word emptying, is that it's divinity.
00:20:55.740Augustine talks about this in Augustine, that it's divinity wrapped, cloaked in humanity. And
00:21:01.080that's what we see at the transfiguration. It's not that the divine all of a sudden comes rushing
00:21:04.540back. No, the divine that never left, it never emptied in the technical sense. It is a proper
00:21:09.720word. The scripture uses it, but it's not meaning in the literal sense. So the divine that was never
00:21:14.360in the literal sense emptied, it was always there. It doesn't suddenly come rushing back
00:21:19.220on the Mount of Transfiguration. It's not that the divine comes back. It's that the human nature
00:21:26.280rather, is like a veil is pulled back just a little bit to where the divine can be seen,
00:21:32.340to where the divine is revealed and manifest. So all that being said, Jesus was eternally God.
00:21:41.140In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And then in real
00:21:45.460human history, at a certain point, took on flesh. And the flesh can be added, the flesh nature,
00:21:52.200human nature can be added to the divine nature in such a way that the two are not divorced or
00:21:57.540severed, but also not mixed, right? This is our doctrine, theology proper, and particularly
00:22:02.980doctrine of the hypostatic union. Council of Chalcedon. Yes, not mixed. But in order for
00:22:09.260Christ to redeem us, and we know that from scripture, that he has chosen to do that and
00:22:14.820take on a human nature. And here's the thing, he doesn't take it on for 33 years and then take it
00:22:19.440off. From that point on, he is forever the God-man. So in order for God to save us in Christ,
00:22:26.460by Christ, the second member of the Trinity, taking on a second nature, the human nature,0.67
00:22:30.640if there was another humanoid species and they were fallen and God wanted to save them,
00:22:38.400it would have to be through substitutionary atonement. The gospel is the power of God
00:22:44.640for salvation and not just on one plane, not just in one world. It would be the way that God would
00:22:50.760save anyone, anywhere, and by substitutionary atonement. It would be Jesus appearing and
00:22:56.840saying, I am the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, and I'm going to do so
00:23:00.240by dying in your place. But in order to die in place of a people as a substitute in an efficacious
00:23:09.260way to take their sins. He has to be divine so that he can represent all of us in one person,
00:23:16.520but he also has to be man so that he can represent man. So in part of taking on the second nature,
00:23:24.840the human nature was so that he could represent humans. So in order to save another species in
00:23:30.200some alien planet, he would have to become, but he can't stop being the God man. He's forever the
00:23:35.980god so he'd have to be the god man alien yeah three natures is my point um and although the
00:23:42.720divine can take another nature the divine nature can take on a second nature without being severed
00:23:47.860divorced or mixed the human nature and the alien nature there would be no physical way for them not
00:23:56.100to mix right like what would he look like because they're physical they're they're they're physical
00:24:01.300natures um so he would appear on this planet born of a virgin an alien version virgin on planet
00:24:09.760you know whatever and and he would either come out as an alien or a man or a mix no longer fully man
00:24:17.640yeah well he would no longer be fully man he couldn't be you you can have fully god and fully
00:24:22.640one um creaturely nature fully divine and one creature you can't have fully god fully man
00:24:29.680fully alien. So all that being said, the final point is if there was another humanoid being
00:24:36.040in the created universe, they would either be, that's sentient and human-like and intelligent,
00:24:42.980they would either have to be unfallen, that is theologically possible, although it seems
00:24:47.140redundant to the angels, but it is possible, or they would be fallen, if not unfallen,
00:24:52.680the only other option is fallen. And if they're fallen, it would have to be fallen with the
00:24:57.900purpose from the very beginning in the sovereignty of God, the mind of God, that they would be
00:31:54.960the physical elements, like how are they, if it's just
00:31:57.260demons, how are they showing up on heat sensors and these other, you know, flight navigation tools?
00:32:03.400Like, how does that work? And I think what you end up seeing, as we mentioned in our previous
00:32:08.380episode on the occult, is the reference to elemental spirits. And while fallen angels,
00:32:13.780they cannot create, however, they can manipulate. You see that specifically, as I mentioned also,
00:32:20.820in one of our previous discussions, when it came to the encounter that Moses had before Pharaoh,
00:32:26.260Aaron showed the power of God through throwing down its staff that turned into a snake.
00:32:30.600Pharaoh's sorcerers, his practitioners of dark arts, they emulated that.
00:32:35.840So in the same way, I believe that there are ways in which, in the same way in which the incarnation came, the word became flesh and dwelt among us.
00:32:45.940I believe that there are elemental spirits, there are fallen entities, and they do have on some level a power to create, be a counterfeit incarnation, a counterfeit blending of the material and immaterial.
00:32:59.400And that's because that's where you see it show, an encounter will show up in a notably physical occupational space, but where it ends up going is inherently spiritual.
00:33:10.680And that's where I think you can give a real accounting for some of these UFO encounters.
00:33:14.880Let me just give a couple examples that are notable. So many of you will, many sometimes who are objecting, who are crossing around, who are skeptical because they view it strictly through the lens of U.S. politics, U.S. policies.
00:33:28.260So many times when we talk about a hearing on UFO disclosures because right now we're dealing with the Biden administration, many in the conservative space will kind of laugh it off and ignore it.
00:33:37.760Oh, this is just a distraction from what's going on at the border.
00:33:40.780This is just a distraction from inflation, what have you, whatever the current thing is.
00:33:45.600Now, while that may be a little bit true, there is something that's truly tangible that goes back, again, through multiple administrations.
00:33:52.200But if you disconnect yourself from U.S. public policy, the whole relation of United States government with UFOs, there's a completely different incident that was very infamous that took place in Brazil in the 1990s.
00:34:09.360I was looking it up to make sure it was accurate.
00:34:11.180There's a documentary that came out about it called Moment of Contact.
00:34:15.260And what it was is that there was a notable area, there was a spacecraft that multiple independent lines of testimony and witness of people in this area in Virginia, Brazil, saw and witnessed a spacecraft crash into this area right outside of town.
00:34:34.300And then there's a private school, a private girls' school that you have now.
00:34:42.020They interview three women who 30 years later, they all swear and attest by, and it completely changed all their presuppositions about the world and how to make sense of the world.
00:34:53.700They saw something in their schoolyard.
00:34:58.740You know, sometimes you can look at someone and you know that, okay, maybe they're confused about what that actually was, but they unequivocally believe, know what they saw.
00:35:09.500Like they might be confused, but they're not lying.
00:35:11.800Right. And, and that's what I saw. And they, what they end up all encountering, they all testify that the multiple people in this town all testified that they got, they had contact physical, physically. There was something that was physically there that looked like a gray.
00:35:30.160It was shaped in such a way, and this is a small town in Brazil that's completely disconnected from Roswell, from Area 51, any of that.
00:35:41.420But then again, they are looking at something that is tangibly dark, has the same shape of a gray that we'll talk about.
00:35:49.500And there's even within the town, there were people who actually put their hands on these creatures and they get the sworn testimony of doctors who said that these people died shortly thereafter.
00:36:04.680And then you had government officials who came and went to cover this up.
00:36:11.280So what you're really seeing, I think you're going to continue to see, are multiple different areas all over the world where encounters like these have happened.
00:37:24.300So when you watch some of the documentaries that Dr. Stephen Greer has done,
00:37:27.860what you end up seeing, the first part of it will be intrigue
00:37:30.740and we'll talk about things that are tangibly true regarding the government not being not transparent in any way, shape, or form regarding the UFO conversation
00:37:40.820and gaslighting those who have had UFO encounters.
00:37:45.100But then the second half of it, they're doing seances.
00:37:49.140It's like a druidism ritual, like out in the desert, and you start seeing objects in the sky.
00:37:55.460It's something that Tom DeLonge did with him.
00:37:57.180He talks about when he was going through the process of doing these encounters.
00:39:12.860And the conversation that's happening is not wormholes and how to achieve, you know, light speed.
00:39:19.640It's the conversation that transpires is, let me tell you why Jesus is not the Son of God.
00:39:26.180Right. And so what it really boils down to is that you see a lot of you in the Greys, even before these encounters happened, it just so happens one of the most notable occultists of the last 100 years is Aleister Crowley.
00:39:37.320And Andrew, talk just a little bit about what he discovered, the relationship between Aleister Crowley and the Greys.
00:39:42.000So let me just say, we have a 10-part series, which is a historical analysis over a millennia of aliens. It's called Alien Revelations. It's done by Colin Samuil. You can go to thecultishow.com or our podcast, and you should check those out. It's an amazing historical analysis that goes over even abduction from a thousand years ago, where these forms weren't just taking the forms of grays, but actually in the forms of fairies, right?
00:40:06.960abducting people. There's abduction accounts of fairies. There's accounts of people seeing
00:40:12.520flying ships in the sky, like literal flying ships with sails, like how these beings would
00:40:17.520appear to people in such a ways that they can actually fool them the most throughout time.
00:40:22.860So there's a historical analysis that we have, even going back to a quote-unquote Christian
00:40:28.080magician in the Queen's court called John Dee, who is doing occult rituals, contacting these
00:40:33.240otherworldly interdimensional beings from other planets that were giving him uh information that
00:40:38.700we're hearing about which is a one world government yada yada to even emmanuel swedenborg who contacted
00:40:44.860these types of entities through occultic practices uh the greys essentially that gave him the same
00:40:50.940type of information a one world order uh different government forms of government even celestial
00:40:56.320marriage, quote unquote, really interesting. But thinking about Alistair Crowley here,
00:41:04.820he was someone who also practiced occult rituals. There's something called theurgy
00:41:09.660that Alistair Crowley practiced. And we talked about the hermeticism. Coming from hermeticism
00:41:15.640is the doctrine for them, of course, of theurgy. So Alistair Crowley practiced these things.
00:41:22.040and he actually summoned an entity that he called lam it's l-a-m it's what you would think when you
00:41:27.940think of a gray it's like this little short man that's like about this tall with a inverted
00:41:32.520triangle head with his almond shaped eyes you can google it he drew it uh you can go see it on the
00:41:38.560internet anyways in stephen greer's documentary close encounters of the fifth kind they're in
00:41:42.720the middle of doing a transcendental meditation in order to make these orbs appear in the sky
00:41:46.540and they they take photos right they're always trying to capture these things and in one of the
00:41:51.300photos right in between two individuals, it looks just like lamb from Aleister Crowley. Like it's
00:41:57.820almost identical. Of course, it has that, uh, translucent looking nature to it, but it's the
00:42:03.720same size, same image. And of course, what does Dr. Stephen Greer believe? He believes that we
00:42:08.660need to make a whole one new world type of order that the government is fighting against and that
00:42:13.360the gospel is given essentially through a higher revelation of who you are. And through close
00:42:17.740encounters of the fifth kind, you can truly love your neighbor and create a one world
00:42:21.140existence and sharing and loving all things like that's literally what he teaches in that
00:42:25.820documentary i remember watching that it was me you and was past did pastor jeff watch it with us or
00:42:30.020was it just me and you i think it was us i think it was us yeah i know he's seen that i know he's
00:42:34.320seen he's very pastor jeff is very familiar with dr yeah i do highly recommend guys to get our 10
00:42:40.300episodes on the historical origins at least of alien revelations it's it's uh done really well
00:42:48.180It's well-documented, well-researched, and it'll give you a different perspective, right?1.00
00:42:53.460Like they're grays now to us because that's what seems so enthralling, right, to our materialistic minds that we're living in.1.00
00:43:00.760But they appeared as other things to people in other times, which was enthralling to them, which I find interesting.1.00
00:43:06.000What's also what you'll find fascinating, going back to what we quoted earlier, quoting Dr. Gary North, that the rise of occultism always marks the ending of a civilization of a certain period of time.
00:43:19.140And so you will actually see a lot of even artwork way prior to Roswell and all this stuff in like the medieval times, like during the Dark Ages and even these Renaissance paintings that depict during times where the occult was high on the rise and paganism was just surging of objects in the sky that somewhat even resembled the UFO and calendars that people now modernly have seen and have testimony of.
00:43:45.300So you'll see a direct, that's one spoiler of direct correlation in the occult.
00:43:49.980And even one of the fascinating areas when it comes to UFO encounters is also the alien abduction part of it.
00:43:58.380Those who have had testimony, they believe they've gotten abducted by a ship where they're being experimented and tortured on.
00:44:05.380It usually, that person being targeted usually doesn't come out of a vacuum or just something arbitrary.
00:44:12.160It usually comes from somebody who has been toying around with something they should not be messing with, something that is occultic in nature, whether it's a tarot card reading or if it's somebody dealing with a medium, doing palm reading.
00:44:27.300There's usually some sort of gateway they've done to open up the opportunity for that encounter.
00:44:32.660So it's not just, hey, this person has some cash.
00:44:36.960They're like, hey, let's do some kidnapping ransom with the U.S. government.
00:44:40.460right it's not a typical what used typically like what people are kidnapped for and what you will
00:44:48.820end up seeing though there's one consistent testimony that's happened amongst alien abductions
00:44:55.160and when they're being experimented and tortured is that all of a sudden there's this inkling
00:45:00.580to call out to the name of Jesus of Nazareth and you will see and this is multiple places
00:45:06.760all throughout the world where this has happened,
00:45:21.540And these are people who are not even regenerate
00:45:23.300because there is something that's just powerful in that name.
00:45:28.460Like it says in James, the demons, they fear God and they tremble.
00:45:32.860So all of a sudden when they know that name, they disappear.
00:45:35.900And so what is important, I think, is that, again, this whole conversation regarding UFOs, it's another area where people will look at these issues separately, the DMT, the astral realm, looking at Burning Man, and now the conversation regarding UFOs and aliens.
00:45:58.660We're trying to view the things all separate and part, but again, what we're seeing is that these are all micro-elements.
00:46:05.280They're microcosms of an exchange of worldviews, where the final reality is not a true distinction between creator and creation, two-ism.
00:46:17.960What you're seeing is that it's a reversal now of an adoption of one-ism, a complete reversal of the created order,
00:46:25.500where people are accepting that in this, all of these different practices, all the rise of these
00:46:31.300transformational festivals, all of this is because now as a whole, we are seeing the Western world
00:46:37.440fully embrace one-ism. All these things are the microcosms of it. And this is why those who are
00:46:44.940interested in UFOs, I think as Christians, we should not fear this. This shouldn't shake our
00:46:52.340faith, when I, the more that I studied this subject, it is fascinating, the more it emboldens
00:46:59.500me because I see the realm, I see the nature of scripture, how scripture describes the dimensions,
00:47:05.600the material and the immaterial realm. I know that I can give an accounting for what these
00:47:11.580alien objects are because I view it through the lens of a God who is sovereign, who upholds his
00:47:16.640creation by the word of his power. And that is someone who's fully God and fully man. And I can
00:47:22.260view the subject through the lens of the incarnation. I can give full credence to the
00:47:26.700material part of UFO spaceships or these aerial phenomena and also the material and the immaterial
00:47:34.860parts of it. I can make sense why they're showing up on physical radar. I can give an accounting
00:47:40.840for why this tic-tac encounter happened with Commander David Fraser
01:03:44.140And so everything from, you know, Genesis 6 to, you know, everyone always fascinated me too when it comes to the nativity story, right?
01:03:54.440And how it's depicted as wonderful and innocent around Christmas time.
01:03:58.760Everyone always forgets about the Carid's decree to go and like kill the firstborn.
01:04:05.060Like I have had one instance where I, as being a deacon, I was a first responder to someone at our congregation who, whose son, you know, six month old son had a brain aneurysm and died.
01:04:18.620that one person like that grief like i'd still like prescribes me to this day um i can't imagine
01:04:28.340like a city full of that like what's there and then having to like escape you know and find
01:04:37.300refuge in uh to egypt to escape the rage of a of a wrathful king um like there's a level of like
01:04:45.080violence that comes through, like this visceral reaction to try and stop this from happening.
01:04:51.360And I think that is, but regardless, like God is still sovereign in his ways and purposes,
01:04:56.660and as much as they attempt to thwart it, they can't stop it. So I think one of the areas,
01:05:03.280while many, you know, God bless them, many New Agers who do tend to get into, come out of the1.00
01:05:09.100New Age to Christ, they tend to go to a little cage stage when it comes to dispensationalism and
01:05:13.980believing that we're in the end times, even though I've been through, I think I've been
01:05:18.300through like nine or five days of Noah. It's back. They're going to start human hybrids.
01:05:23.180Right. But I do think, honestly, I think one of the most helpful practical ways when it comes to0.98
01:05:28.560having like my convictions about eschatology is being able to look at all the craziness in the
01:05:35.320world and looking at this exchange of worldviews, knowing that, okay, if the nations are going to
01:05:41.920to be subjugated to Christ. You know, there's a saying that says, the obstacle is the way.
01:05:46.660Well, it's going to be through the conquering of the, and taking everything caught, like taking,
01:05:52.980really tearing down strongholds and taking everything in subjugation that's in contrast
01:05:58.200to Christ. The obstacle is the way, which means all these different unbelieving worldviews that0.82
01:06:03.260we have to confront through the power of the gospel. So rather than being fearful of it,
01:06:07.560And let's just face it and trust the Lord.
01:06:37.160Yeah, I mean, Joel had my brain going in so many different directions there, talking about the beagle and the German shepherd and angel flesh and stuff.
01:06:46.260So, man, I wish we could continue talking about that because I have so many interesting questions about that.
01:06:51.600I know maybe we'll save that for another time.